Reacting to The WORST Transphobic Video

[@Brain-dead-gamer]

As someone in school, WE ARE NOT TAUGHT ABOUT GENDER IDENTITY. The closest we’ve gotten was “Some people are trans, and that’s fine.”

[@emilyauld8622]

27:04 I didn't know gay people existed when I was a child. Then I was under the assumption it was just a guy thing. Then I found out lesbians existed and everything clicked into place. Hiding kids from information does not stop them from being who they are. I was so confused and hated myself for feeling the way I did because I genuinely thought I was the only one. I thought somehow I've got the girl version of the boy gay thing. But such a thing isn't real? Teaching kids about identity and expression is so fucking important.

[@sandwichqueen]

Yeah. Can definitely get that. I would have transitioned years sooner if I knew what being trans was besides the most extreme examples. But every guy wanted to be a girl, because guys were gross and girls were so much better. But I like superheroes and I know girls can like superheroes but it's different. Obviously...

[@YewNayVerse]

Absolutely And mental conditions like, depression, anxiety, and eating disorders etc... Also sex ed is the biggest factor in intervention against abuse directed towards children. All things where a kid finding out about it could go "wait, that's not normal!?"

[@YewNayVerse]

​@@sandwichqueen 😂 "the girl's conversations are just so much more interesting"

[@Stinkehund]

It took me until i was 33 or so to realize that i was asexual - not because there was a lack of information on the topic, but because nobody ever mentioned it to me as a possibility. The moment i knew it was a thing, i looked it up and things fell into place. Before that, i thought i was just bad at sex and had to try it a bit more; surely that's how everyone deals with it, right? Nope, turns out i can just opt out of that whole weirdness if i don't enjoy it! Wish someone had told me in my 20s.

[@joanfregapane8683]

Yes! I am horrified by those politicians and parents who think that withholding information from youngsters will somehow solve the ‘problem’ of how people identify. Ignorance is NEVER the answer to any question, and using censorship to make kids feel even more isolated is completely selfish and irresponsible.

[@runningthemeta5570]

I love that Jamie mentioned “feelings of bigots” because as much as Ben Shapiro claims that “facts don’t care about your feelings,” their thoughts and opinions are just feelings.

[@M_M_ODonnell]

The "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd usually follow it up with a silent (but not very well concealed) "...because they only care about mine."

[@andriypredmyrskyy7791]

The wrappers they put around their opinions are fascinating, there’s so many but they’re all so similar; sometimes it takes a while to figure out what’s being said and why it’s wrong. It’s like if those 1=2 meme posts were about sociology. In this video, Helen liberally switches between statistical, individual, and caricaturistic descriptions of situations to capture an emotion in the clothes of a logical argument. Talking about the trans population, then bringing to mind negative attributes of individuals which may or may not exist, painting the whole group with that brush so that you can target individual trans people. Her women’s only spaces argument hides the axiom that trans women are men, framing in general is a really prolific tactic. I really wish I didn’t notice this stuff but honestly it’s a survival mechanism now.

[@realMacMadame]

What Ben Shapiro really means is that his feelings don't care about our facts.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

"Facts don't care about your feelings, except when they're MY feelings, in which case f your facts, it's all about my feelings. "

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

Then watch how many times he gets outraged over nothing. Last I checked, anger is a feeling.

[@RoseThePhoenix]

Confession time: when I was a teenager, I thought life would be easier if I was a boy. I wanted the respect I saw men getting, and I was in love with a girl and wanted her to look at me the way she looked at boys. (Notice all of that is external and not an actual sense of dysphoria. And please remember, I was a kid.) I knew that transition was possible, so I looked at what it would take to become a boy. I *very* quickly said, "I don't want it that badly." The idea that someone would actually go through transition for those external reasons is laughable to me. It doesn't take much research at all to understand the scope of the hurdles, there.

[@SparklyCoconut-le3fu]

My sibling came out as trans and I directed them to a source that can get them on hrt. We talked about it a few months later and they told me “yea I realized that was too much for me but I still wouldn’t mind having bewbs” (they are amab) It does seem like once it comes to hrt, people will realize soon enough whether they’re trans or not. For me I wasn’t sure. But when looking at myself in the mirror became easier and my seborrheic dermatitis went away, my libido decreased, and being gendered correctly in public I realized it was right for me

[@JavedAlam24]

​@@SparklyCoconut-le3fu you prefer a decreased libido? Also isn't seborrheic dermatitis going away unrelated to gender?

[@M_M_ODonnell]

@@SparklyCoconut-le3fu Some people take longer, and some don't realize until after starting hormones (sometimes years after) that it's not for them, and we should respect that -- not by banning transition, but by making open conversations, support for social transition and exploration, consideration of medical support for transition well before decisions need to be made, etc. (including puberty blockers) more available, and by accepting that some people's experiences change over time.

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Some people are non-binary, and that's also OK. It takes time for humans to find the correct labels that match their place on the gender spectrum.

[@M_M_ODonnell]

@@ShinyTillDawn That's also important. It's irritating how the "but what if people change their mind?" transphobes get things _so_ backwards. Their "what if" isn't a reason to stop transition and suppress any discussion of it -- it's a reason to be more open about hte possibilities, exploration, etc. -- if kids change their minds any number of times before deciding that they're cis, trans, non-binary, etc., _who cares_ -- it's only the transphobes who make that a bad thing. It is, unfortunately, pretty much unavoidable that some people will end up with dysphoria either because they transitioned or because they were _prevented_ from transitioning -- but the appropriate (and ethical) thing to do is to create the circumstances where people can figure things out _and_ respect the people who had a medical intervention that they later regret (again, without making that option unavailable for the large majority of people who _don't_ regret it). The 'phobes grab details about specific situations where people would have been better served by more openness and call them justification for _less_ openness.

[@auntiefish4192]

And as a cis woman, I am offended by the nonsense generalisations and stereotypes of women she’s peddling

[@Charlotte-hv6ll]

Ah yes, women are women because we pick up socks 😂what a feminist

[@wavedgalaxy]

like seriously, does she really think that reducing women to picking up socks and cooking is gonna help women at all? does she realize that women are much more than that, humans like any other, and not second class citizens??

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Don't forget the transvestigation. That affects cis women as well :(

[@JovanDacic]

The part around 58:00 in which the terfs say it's even more of a tragedy when (misgendered trans girls) take oestrogen really got my hackles up. How is that a tragedy, and why does it warrant more boo-hooing than transgender boys taking testosterone?

[@realMacMadame]

She's not just a transphobe. She's also sexist.

[@singularity1405]

It's giving "what do women want? WE ASKED A MAN!!" Oh my God it's infuriating

[@K_Krazy_Manuel]

Like a man pretending to be a woman telling real women what women are?

[@Autism_Girl]

As a young trans girl, these sort of transphobes legitimately scare me Edit: stay safe out there everyone, you are valid, and these people can't take that away from you

[@Valkeye]

Yeah, they aren't the best kinda people. But, in my experience, there are so many more supportive people than these kinds of transphobes; look for the positives and you'll find them.

[@LoremIpsum-dp1li]

“[...]backwoods hillbillies stomping around with misspelled signs are not really the problem. The most dangerous bigots are highly sophisticated and powerful people.” -Natalie Wynn, _ContraPoints_

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

There are racists, homophobes, transphobes, misogynists, and other generally nasty people in the world. But most people are good. We have always faced discrimination but so have other minority groups. We just stick together and support each other and try not to worry too much about what the bullies think of us.

[@CMelon-xe1qc]

@asongfromunderthefloorboards I really like your username

[@Autism_Girl]

​@@asongfromunderthefloorboards yeah, I just hate feeling so targeted

[@KeoTheUndamaged]

1:27:00 this entire section is just utter BS, I was in primary and secondary school when Section 28 was in place, sexuality and gender was not taught and it was just "when a man and a woman love each other..." - guess what, I still turned out both trans and pansexual! She is literally just saying put Section 28 back into law

[@M_M_ODonnell]

Patriarchal bigots haven't had an original thought in decades -- they just sometimes change some of the details of their targeting. And a good chunk of their tactics in the last century were just borrowed from racist bigots (when they're not just the same people). Transphobic slogans and fake "facts" and "concerns" read like a find-and-replace from their homophobic equivalents not so long ago.

[@joelrobinson5457]

And ignoring the rate of teen pregnancy too... Or how a comprehensive sex Ed can help stop child abuse or other forms of it by showing what a healthy one usually can look like

[@nutella7162]

It's the opposite for me. My parents dressed me up as a boy (short hair, blue clothes etc.) for multiple pretty innocent reasons (I didn't mind anyway) and guess what Janice, all your moaning about them ""abusing and confusing"" me still didn't magically turn me into a boy! :D

[@CorwinFound]

She had a telling moment. When discussing queer kids she corrected herself and described them as "proto gay." In her efforts to support her anti-trans beliefs, she has to completely contort every other modern understanding of gender and sexuality. She _can't_ say that kids can be gay and that sexuality is immutable because that's _way_ too close to "kids can be trans and gender is immutable." So she has to create, on the spot, a pseudo scientific term like "proto gay." She is willing to ignore or distort any fact necessary to support her ideology, including (but not limited to) pretending no one was trans in the past, that non-binary people don't exist, that gay, bisexual and asexual trans folk don't exist, and that "proto gay" is a thing. It's just gross.

[@adriennee6577]

I’m 19 and apparently I was in secondary school when teachers were telling us that we should be trans (according to these terfs)… funny i don’t remember that at all (probably because it’s a complete lie to cause fear-mongering) My teachers never brought up gender or sexuality and we wouldn’t have listened to them if they had anyways because teachers are never anything to do with learning about your personal identity.

[@sabrinanaves7148]

49:16 Saying that lesbians experience "autoandrophilia" is absolutely the most homophobic thing I've ever heard Helen say, and thats a crowded field.

[@BelugaGuy-ks5mp]

Yeah. "Lesbians aren't attracted to men unless those lesbians want to be men which is when they are attracted to men" 🤡🤡

[@sabrinanaves7148]

@knrdvmmlbkkn Your ignorance does not apply to others. We see homophobia in the world all too often. You can't wish it away.

[@mjtruth1039]

@ How does it not exist?

[@zea_64]

The auto-whatever-philia thing is just so stupid. Like, duh, people feel better when they feel confident in themselves, and that can translate to more enjoyable sex. That's true of most cis people too. I can't believe how many people fail to see such a basic explanation.

[@sabrinanaves7148]

@zea_64 "auto-whatever-philia thing" is how I'm going to refer to it from now on.

[@Acidfunkish]

Reminder: A polite bigot is still a bigot. Civility politics and tone policing - when prioritized above all else - will be abused by the worst of us to harm the most vulnerable. The message matters more than the tone in which it was delivered.

[@M_M_ODonnell]

So many times when reactionaries complain about lack of "civility," the conversation went like this: A: "It is my thoughtful and well-considered opinion that your existence is an affront to nature, and I shall be sorely discomfited if that existence is allowed to continue -- I shall, indeed, take it as a grievous personal offense!" B: "Fuck that noise." A: "How incivil! I have been nothing but polite to you, and yet you respond with such _vulgarity_ and _aggression_ that I do believe I shall require a recuperatory retreat! So much for the tolerant left!"

[@FarremShamist]

Uggghh, I hate civility politics so much. It is so braindead "Wow this person didn't get emotional, they must be correct!! :3c"

[@syn010110]

it's fuckin wild to hear someone so politely call for genocide

[@emdivine]

@@FarremShamist it's also entirely disingenuous, if you follow that rule they'll pull out the other one: "you don't even as much as raise your voice about it, it can't mean that much to you"

[@f.r.etling]

Remember, disagreement is not bigotry. One can have a different worldview than you and not be bigoted or hateful. Helen Joyce and the gender critical movement is not bigoted, they just disagree with you. Get over it

[@sunshinesquares]

My brother’s best friend transitioned in her late 40s. I’ve never seen her happier. I’m glad that today’s kids and young adults have the freedom to discover who and what they are, instead of keeping it locked inside and being confused and depressed.

[@Ledeanna.Calantha]

I started transitioning 2 years ago at 49 considering I lived my entire life depressed and not sure why until my subconscious made me realize why and did research both pro and anti transgender. After transitioning I am happier then ever.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

That won't last long for American youth. And like everything else, it will spread from there too. If we are not vigilant about it, we have seen the last free generation.

[@jasminebaldwin7615]

*her I am super happy for her :D Hope the climate continues to get more accepting of different people

[@exquisitebiscuit]

@@sunshinesquares AGP

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@mcpudd-20k]

“…. And that’s not true for other belief systems” Maybe that’s because it’s not a belief system?

[@minestar2247]

it's only a belief system in as much as a lone cable is an electric circuit, so only if you really generalise it

[@zombiedoggie2732]

Yet they think they are automatically right and people that have different religions and belief systems are wrong.

[@minestar2247]

@@ant47613 because your "arguments" are bs, they arent worth it, and nobody is looking for arguments with boomers here

[@nicolaedg]

And even if we were to accept her point (read: lie) about it being a belief system, the rest of her argument still wouldn't make sense in that context. After all, she's not out there doing interviews and writing books arguing that her jewish friend isn't *actually* jewish, they're just an atheist who "self-IDs" as jewish even though being jewish is not a real thing a person can be - and she would know, since she's spent her entire life *not* studying judaism! Like Jamie pointed out, her arguments are just a jumbled mess of nonsense. And I do think he was spot on about her believing that trans women = men who identify as women = men who want access to women's spaces = bad men. There's a reason she's been called a bigot, and it's because she *is* a bigot, plain and simple.

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@Eleon_Alosty]

I love how these people just think that being trans is a "phase" or "choice" or something we are forced into. I would not wish the problems I have delt with personally or socially as a trans person on my worst enemy. Feeling like I'm wrong, a mistake, and a shameful person for just not feeling like the things I feel are right for 30ish years was back breaking. Once I reflected on my self and came to terms with being trans and reaching out for community finding that I wasnt alone and then starting that transition has made living something realistic again. Anyone who trys taking that away from me or any other trans person is just vile and hateful. They do not deserve any respect from anyone and should just be banned from speaking in any public fashion about these subjects.

[@dragonbowlsupper]

Very well said. Thank you for sharing your story.

[@fallenking578]

I felt very similarly being ace. There was so much denial and hating myself for not "being normal", so I empathize with that part. But please always know , you ARE normal. You are beautiful, no matter what these TERFS say. I hope you are somewhere you can be safe and be you, that you have people who respect your gender identity and keep you safe from people like these crazy TERFs. Because you deserve to be safe and loved

[@JoseJimenez-rx4ne]

I’m really sorry you didn’t receive the proper clinical attention. As a researcher, I’ve examined thousands of documented dysphoria cases across various populations. I completely understand how difficult it is, but let me share a truth that might help you. Merely “affirming” dysphoria never aids in genuine recovery. In the long term, the brain’s compensatory mechanisms that maintain the dysphoric state break down, or the dysphoria itself leads to severe comorbidities. We observe similar patterns in conditions like anorexia, severe obesity, sexual identity disturbances, or body dysmorphias seen in extreme bodybuilding communities. Left untreated, these dysphorias often spiral into chronic anxiety, clinical depression, and, tragically, too often end in death. Consider what happens if one day your brain identifies the root cause of your dysphoria. Suddenly, you no longer feel what you once did and realize you are the biological sex you were born as. Without a stable, controlled clinical setting, the intense shock to your psyche can trigger a catastrophic stress response. This can easily lead to self-harm or worse -outcomes we’ve seen frequently in unmanaged cases. This is why researchers with a solid grounding in biology, neuroanatomy, and the symptomatology of dysphoria oppose transition interventions. There are no empirically supported biological foundations for these procedures, yet there are countless reasons to avoid them. No disorder improves by exacerbating the underlying pathology-just as you wouldn’t treat a wounded limb by continually reinjuring it. The medical professionals, educators, and so-called “experts” who hopped on the transition trend to make a quick profit should be ashamed. Everyone with dysphoria sincerely believes what they feel, and it’s our job, as objective observers and responsible caregivers, to shield the vulnerable from exploitation. Individuals experiencing gender dysphoria are, by definition, impaired in their ability to make fully informed decisions regarding irreversible treatments-at any age. Instead of indulging the distortion, we need to employ evidence-based, ethically sound strategies to genuinely help them, not just pretend we’re solving their problems.

[@JoseJimenez-rx4ne]

I’m really sorry you didn’t receive the proper clinical attention. As a researcher, I’ve examined thousands of documented dysphoria cases across various populations. I completely understand how difficult it is, but let me share a truth that might help you. Merely “affirming” dysphoria never aids in genuine recovery. In the long term, the brain’s compensatory mechanisms that maintain the dysphoric state break down, or the dysphoria itself leads to severe comorbidities. We observe similar patterns in conditions like anorexia, severe obesity, sexual identity disturbances, or body dysmorphias seen in extreme bodybuilding communities. Left untreated, these dysphorias often spiral into chronic anxiety, clinical depression, and, tragically, too often end in death. Consider what happens if one day your brain identifies the root cause of your dysphoria. Suddenly, you may no longer feel what you once did and realize you are the biological sex you were born as. Without a stable, controlled clinical setting, the intense shock to your psyche can trigger a catastrophic stress response. This can easily lead to self-harm or suicide-outcomes we’ve seen frequently in unmanaged cases. This is why researchers with a solid grounding in biology, neuroanatomy, and the symptomatology of dysphoria generally oppose transition interventions. There are no empirically supported biological foundations for these procedures, yet there are countless reasons to avoid them. No disorder improves by exacerbating the underlying pathology-just as you wouldn’t treat a wounded limb by continually reinjuring it. The medical professionals, educators, and so-called “experts” who hopped on the transition trend to make a quick profit should be ashamed. Everyone with dysphoria sincerely believes what they feel, and it’s our job, as objective observers and responsible caregivers, to shield the vulnerable from exploitation. Individuals experiencing gender dysphoria are, by definition, impaired in their ability to make fully informed decisions regarding irreversible treatments-at any age. Instead of indulging the distortion, we need to employ evidence-based, ethically sound strategies to genuinely help them, not just pretend we’re solving their problems.

[@Giuliana-w1f]

Hi, please ignore the transphobe just above me (called something like "Jose Jimenez") pretending to be a professional, they're just trying to play into people's insecurities and create self doubt. The comment might be hidden when sorting by top. Always remember you're valid.

[@cathleenc6943]

From now on, anytime I hear a person arguing a stupid point of view and uses the phrase "I'm not an expert, but" I'm going to interject and say "If you know you're not an expert, why are you discounting all the findings of people who ARE experts on this topic?"

[@goodpeople25]

@@hannao139 You're describing yourself and other transphobes.

[@robokill387]

I forget who said it, but it reminds me of this famous quote, "now, I don't have facts to back this up..."

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@billmartins5545]

Jammie isn't an expert in medicine or physiology, not in statistics or psychiatry either but that doesn't stop her from pretending to be some kind of authority.

[@Dutch3DMaster]

@@robokill387 Sounds like a thing Ben Shapiro would say...

[@tamarbaas]

Quick note on AO3 tagging, "Minor Harry Potter/Ginny Weasley" does *NOT* mean that they are minors (they still could have been, but then it would have been tagged as Underage, in the case of an explicit fic). It means that Harry/Ginny is a background relationship in the fanfic. The "minor" part of the tag means it's not a major part of the story, and nothing else.

[@tamarbaas]

@@strandedstarfish That is in fact, not my takeaway from this vid. That is a piece of misinformation accidentally spread by this vid, that I'd like people to not misunderstand :) Also, I am "people like Jamie", I am trans myself. Kindly keep your judgement to yourself.

[@supercrazylegs1]

I appreciate your clarifying. I think the bigger point is that if a prominent transgender person was caught reading the same thing, there would be much more outrage. But because she's an annoying TERF, it barely affects her.

[@_TeddyCore]

The blatant transphobic lies are obviously the most infuriating and harmful aspect of this woman’s agenda, but as a cis gay man, I also find the infantilization of gay people deeply insulting. I have at no point in my life been “confused” about my gender or my sexuality. These people are just projecting their own insecurities and make the rest up as they go. Love what you do, Jamie.

[@Ssstone3.14]

Would you be attracted to a biologically female that identifies as male? Would you expect other homosexuals to do the same?

[@ConnieFWill]

@@Ssstone3.14 are you attracted to Buck Angel because, according to you, he's a biological female and therefore a straight man would logically find him attractive? Attraction is more than just genitals m8

[@ConnieFWill]

@@Ssstone3.14 also quick, explain all the straight guys who like trans porn. are they just secretly gay, but only in this one way?

[@Amoebatirith]

@@Ssstone3.14 Genital preference can be a thing without being transphobic. You can still recognize someone as being a man but not being into them due to any number of characteristics including their genitals. After all, not all gay men are sexually attracted to every man they see. However, what is not okay is saying the trans man isn't a man or excluding him as a man simply due to his genitals, chromosomes, whatever.

[@Luke-ep7zk]

⁠@@Ssstone3.14Opposite orientation here but personally I’m attracted to trans women and cis women. I wouldn’t “push it” on anyone else ofc.

[@DandreAllison]

"they pigeonhole you and then they don't listen to you", she literally doesn't hear how that's what is being done to us, the difference being it's our identity being argued against not hers, so it's us that needs to be heard first, actually listened to, before the discussion can even begin (which you'd see really removes the need for a discussion)

[@realMacMadame]

She also doesn't hear how her arguments about bathrooms are actually arguments *for* letting trans women in women's spaces nd keeping trans men out and not the other way around.

[@Moth-m1n]

This is such a basic level of thinking. The last sentence. Very ignorant to say that about any subject. Proves this is ideology and doesn't stand up when discussed.

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@Chuusive]

@@Moth-m1nyou're talking about helen right? You must be

[@ThatFont]

She contradicts herself. How is it a sexual thrill for gay men to be women? Gay men are not sexually interested in women. I also don’t see what that has to do with trans folk.

[@BelugaGuy-ks5mp]

"Gay men aren't attracted to women unless they want to be women which is when those gay men are attracted to women"

[@paulkazanvanfan1045]

No, but then you’re perhaps not very well informed?

[@ThatFont]

@@paulkazanvanfan1045 I’m part of these communities. How ill-informed can I be? Try again.

[@BelugaGuy-ks5mp]

@@paulkazanvanfan1045 what is to be "well informed"? Which "gay" man is attracted to women?

[@ThatFont]

@@paulkazanvanfan1045 Being part of the these communities, I find it interesting that you think I’m not familiar. Do you believe everything you hear?

[@soleilthealien]

People that think being trans or lgbt is a choice are infuriating. Yes I am nonbinary but in my current life it would be so much easier to be a girl. I didn’t “chose” to be trans and lesbian but I AM, so deal with it! I wouldn’t change it for the world and I can’t wait to be out and proud❤

[@fallenking578]

Same. Nothing made me demi sexual and aromatic. (Possibly demi or gray, I'm still trying to figure that out) I was always like this. I tried so so hard to be allo, to date and maybe have sex. But I can't bring myself to do it. It just feels wrong and I have no desire for it with anyone I've met in 28 years of life. I grew up religious until 13 in the American south. The just conservative allosexual sphere in my country. It didn't make me not aroace. It didn't make my sibling not NB, or my brother not Bi. No one makes us this, it's not something we learn. It's how we are. How we are born

[@Rikrobat]

They love to preach it’s a choice until we say “then choose to be not straight and cis.” Then it becomes “you’re damaged.” Not being attracted to other people in any capacity has had me feeling like I’m damaged for a good chunk of my life. I’m tired of being called “damaged.” I’m me, and thank god I’m not like them. All the love to those in this thread. You are beautiful souls and will thrive in life. ❤

[@quantumAnarchist]

being homeless because coming out as a trans woman means i am a sexfiend, yes very cool, i choose that, was totally just something i think everyone should do for a laugh

[@ShinyTillDawn]

@@fallenking578 Nothing made you give off a pleasant aroma; you had it naturally!

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

They're also in no hurry to prove it by choosing to be so themselves, even though according to their logic, it would make things so much easier and come with so many privileges.

[@finneblub8768]

As a trans guy and a mathematician, I am so sorry on behalf of our kind 😭

[@ThatNeonPhoenix]

As a trans guy who is taking Maths as an A Level, I second this

[@AUDHDlucy]

The shame! Liking maths is equal to murder. 😂😂

[@billcipher826]

why does someone who studies smt so cool, have to be so not cool? like she studied theorestical math on that level. truly tragic.

[@Mz_jazzy]

Honey that thing is not your fault. Go head with your achievements, that woman is just a hot ass mess lmao 🤣

[@liam7342]

It's very funny that a mathematician is so bad at statistics

[@kylieellway2]

I am a feminist, strongly so and appreciate you point out that these TERFs arn't really feminists. Helen really expresses some offensive female stereotypes. As a cis woman, I support the trans community.

[@sabrinanaves7148]

As a trans woman, I'm grateful to feminism for teaching me that I don't have to fit into a neat little box either way. I can be a woman and take out the trash, change my motor oil, not have to wear makeup every day. Helen has no idea how regressive her ideas are.

[@NorsePearl]

Transphobia is just misogyny in the end anyway.

[@LunaBoo12]

And we love you for that, queen! 👑

[@minestar2247]

yeah, the "radical feminist" in terf serves the same function as the "socialist" in national socialist; it's marketting to get the lefties

[@Simplesimple123]

You are not a feminist is you believe men can be women simply by deciding they “feel” like a woman .. please

[@moonlight10ing]

1:01:49 "Yes, trans people shouldn't face discrimination. No, it shouldn't stop you from discriminating against them" The many times she was almost there but then took a wild turn!

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

Because she's not almost there, she's just trying to make cover what she's doing.

[@littlelizm329]

@@antediluvianatheist5262 pretending to be almost there

[@Gareth7]

Regarding prisons, perhaps we should be asking why we tollerate violence between inmates _at all, under any circumstances._ If we're admitting that we can't prevent violence between inmates then we need prison reform.

[@aaronjpendola]

You should become a prison guard! Sounds like you have a lot of ideas!

[@HaleyStark.]

Sure. But male violence isn't a problem that women have to solve for men. Male prisons being dangerous doesn't mean that women have to open up our spaces to that same danger for the sake of fairness. But I'm guessing you would whine about solitary confinement being torture if that was increased too, and let's be honest, keeping certain inmates separated is the only way to truly stop them from being violent.

[@goodpeople25]

@@HaleyStark. A TERF being a torture apologist who thinks human rights are whining? I'm so shocked by that.

[@gabriellehitchins9182]

See that would actually be useful

[@ArbitraryCodeExecution]

omg yes why have i seen no one else point this out

[@TheZipding]

I think it's also worthwhile to point out that her entire talk completely ignores intersex folks.

[@IsaacMyers1]

one of my personal favorite comebacks: “Non binary doesn’t exist! Gender is biological and based on sex!” So… even if gender was based on sex, that wouldn’t make non binary a nonexistent thing. (sure, it would negate that some of these intersex people aren’t nonbinary, and it would also negate non intersex people also) People are born with sex characteristics that fall in between enough that there’s no possible way to deny that some form of nonbinary exists. and once you know that, it isn’t a big leap to understand that something less obvious could be that determining factor, like the brain.

[@sepo-lanto]

She talks about people with differences of sexual development all the time.

[@billmartins5545]

People with a DSD have a medical condition and they have nothing to do with this gender woowoo topic. Stop roping them into this discussion!

[@EverleighTheBisexualBean]

guys I'm tired of transphobia and homophobia. why can't we accept that we're all different and the lgbt community is fvcking awesome?

[@Czarro672]

Because fascist bigots can't have their power fantasies without oppressing people.

[@MoiraWillenov]

THIS!

[@joypomeroy1452]

*accept :P

[@thewickeddevilofthewest]

happily! 🏳️‍🌈

[@SparklyCoconut-le3fu]

Same it’s so exhausting emotionally. Like everytime I open social media

[@Lucy-ve6lb]

"Children who are likely to grow up gay" - just throwing some old homophobic discourse on top of her dumpster fire. You are so patient to even engage with it

[@punkypagan]

There is a point to be made that the invert model of homosexuality from a hundred years ago and rightfully decreed as homophobic sounds awfully familar

[@starlydonati2008]

It’s why trans conversion practices are just gay conversion practices. Those who want to eradicate us see us as the same problem to be solved the same way by aligning our sex, sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression to be indistinguishable from the two roles they are ok with: subordinate straight woman and dominant straight man. (By straight I mean religious cishet allo because it comes from the concept of straight and narrow)

[@sepo-lanto]

How is that homophobic? It is so well-documented that highly gender non-confirming children are far likelier to grow up to be gay than gender confirming kids.

[@eb3222]

No, it is homophobic to support the believe of a "gender non conforming" child that she/he is born in the "wrong body". Most of the children/young people who want to "transition" are simply going to be gay and would have come to terms with their sexual orientation if they would have had the possibility to trough puberty. And this is not simply my opinion but is supported by well documented scientific research.

[@billmartins5545]

I think that's a sensible way of phrasing it because usually she uses this to refer to very young children who clearly aren't yet sexually developing (kids under 8 or so). Maybe you're the creep if you think a three year old boy who likes dolls is gay.

[@ChaquetaB]

I'm legitimately concerned about her mental health. Her "logic" makes absolutely no sense. She compares being trans to being Jewish, but respects the Jew's rules and identifies them as a Jew, but doesn't think a trans woman is a woman and can't use the female bathroom. Also, she says everyone needs special groups...but what does that have to do with where I can pee?

[@darthrex354]

Amusingly I'm a Jewish trans woman and I think like half the trans women I know are Jewish so I guess we need a double special group? I personally think just guessing that she has a lot of trauma around men and is maybe racist and personally doesn't feel safe around men or people not like her so she extends that out to thinking everyone feels the way she does about anyone who isn't in their specific group. I always feel really really awful about women with trauma because often times it comes from horrible experiences but then they hurt other people just like men with trauma often hurt other people.

[@ninjawizard3865]

​​​@@darthrex354Since when is trans a Jew thing? That's really weird.

[@minestar2247]

oh great, that thing about jews again, like, even in comparing that makes little sense if she's gonna be a hypocrit about, and on top of that, people use it the other way around, saying that some people just "identify as jewish" without actually being jewish themselves, which i agree with, but not when it uses transphobic language like that

[@ninjawizard3865]

@@darthrex354 Is it easier to be a Jewish man than a Jewish woman?

[@ninjawizard3865]

@minestar2247 If I wanted to be Jewish, am I not allowed you saying?

[@maya_may21]

1:32:08 “I hate saying gay children. Children don’t really have a sexuality” Ma’am, as a queer woman who had a massive crush on Selena Gomez when I was a kid, I very much disagree! As well as disagreeing with pretty much everything else coming out of your mouth.

[@minestar2247]

wait, doesn't sexuality start to develop around early puberty? anyways, i assume it's because of the image of the "pure and innocent child", which is kind of a myth

[@comyuse9103]

Iirc kindergarten teachers are trained to deal with issues relating to sexuality that can come up even that early.

[@divergentdreamer]

Again, it's this obsession with thinking being gay is all about sex. I remember in second grade that most of the girls in my class had a crush on the same boy. I had an intense crush on a boy in third grade, and I remember people talking about kissing, even though I didn't know anyone who did it. And this was the 90s. Children absolutely experience romantic attraction.

[@skittlemilks1614]

@minestar2247 Kids going through puberty are still children. Also I started having crushes when I was like 7 so it can happen earlier than that

[@Pupaya757]

Unless they are straight. Then I 100% bet they will be fine with that, and even “ship” two toddlers together just because they are playing together and have no concept of what dating even is.

[@ShotoNemar]

oh NO she's attacking the autistic people. I was mad she was doing this to my trans friends, and me being gay. but she's just clumping anyone that isn't cis heterosexual. is all the same and bad.

[@LevadeNZ]

As an autistic cis woman dating another woman, it broke my brain a bit. Especially when she started going on about gay relationships being the most gender non-conforming thing you can do. I'm so ridiculously femme - and that's with me having had a hysterectomy at 26 for health issues!

[@dlsauthor7553]

I'm a cis het woman and listening to that woman raised my blood pressure. The absolute ignorance and arrogance in her attitude. Every time she used the word sex when talking about gender just made me more and more furious. Jamie you are incredibly admirable to be able to sit through that and comment on it without completely losing your temper. Love your channel and will always support the LGBTQ+ community.

[@bootymanager]

Helen's spot on. We can't have male rapists in women's prisons, nor men in changerooms, nor in women's sports. Stop saying 'cis'. It's just women or men.

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@billmartins5545]

What's sex? What's gender? I'm a biologist and keen to hear your view on this as you seem to present yourself as somewhat of an authority.

[@sf2132]

I'm in the U.S. and the proud mother of a transgender son who is the same age as Jaimie. I wish that there was more information available when my son came out as transgender. I worried about his safety and the idea of him being discriminated against. I stand with my fellow human beings who happen to be LGBTQIA+! Sending love and good vibes❣️

[@Rutanachan]

28:00 When I was four, I wished I was born a boy. But when I grew up, we didn't had any language about it. There wasn't even the internet. Because no one talked about it, it took me to 34 years old to figure out I was neither man nor woman, THEN looking up on the internet if this is even a possibility, to find out I was Non-Binary. We NEED to talk about different gender identities to kids. Not teaching them is actively harmful to both trans AND cis kids, because cis kids growing up and having to learn about trans identities later is a much harder learning process as well.

[@SilvrRazorFeather]

I spent my childhood as a very supported tomboy, my parents defended my gender nonconformity to rude and pushy relatives. I was a girl who dressed like a boy, rejected makeup and girls clothes because they made me feel awful. If any of us had known at the time that being trans was a viable explanation (and my parents have explicitly said they suspected I wasn't happy being a girl) it would've saved me so much confusion and discomfort and social awkwardness to transition earlier. I'm 32 now, 3 years on T and just now prepping for top surgery that I wouldn't need if I could've had puberty blockers. Much less invasive than surgery.

[@beantorrez5104]

​@SilvrRazorFeather congratulations on your top surgery! 🎉 I'm 5 years post op myself.

[@bellarosethorne]

this is exactly what i've been saying through the comments. the 'generational shift' that helen is so scared of is the aftershock of the world that people like her set up for us - she is scared of her own shadow, cast by depriving queer folk of knowledge, of language, of community. Because the moment the sun shines, our flowers will grow again. and in greater numbers because more seeds still planted themselves under that shadow, but never had the chance to thrive in the light until now.

[@borealernadelwald]

When I grew up (in the 90s) I didn't really understand the concept of gender.. I "knew" I was a girl, because that's what everyone called me, but I was very much a tomboy. I loved rolling around in the dirt with my brother or other boys more than playing with dolls etc. I adored my brother, loved wearing the clothes he grew out of and later had my mom get me boy's clothes, since I loved the style. It took me experiencing bullying between the ages of 10-15 to realise that me looking/behaving like that wasn't "normal". I was just being myself and didn't even realise that I was behaving gender nonconforming. Never wasted a single thought about what it means to be a girl - or if I'd rather want to be a boy. Well, the bullying didn't help and made me want to be as invisible as humanly possible, I developed anxiety & depression and all the gender stuff wasn't anything I ever thought about, since I had too much to deal with otherwise. A few years ago I started to watch queer content (One Topic was my starting point) and very slowly I realised I am asexual, then (not 100% sure, but I currently feel good with that label) aromantic and last but not least agender. No one ever told me to be those things and I surely didn't know that these identities even existed before that point, but suddenly a lot of things in my past made sense. Awkward interactions & feelings that my asexual ass didn't comprehend or the fact that I found gender confusing. Like when a salesperson in a clothing shop came up to me and said: "You know these pants are for men, right?" And I just stood there like: ??? (I couldn't understand why that mattered, I liked the pants, they were my size & they fit me well, so wtf?) I WISH someone had taught me about different identities as kid. It would've spared me so much pain and confusion & I might not have been bullied as much, since it would've been more known that some people are gender nonconforming.

[@eternallustformedusa4844]

@@bellarosethorneyou’re wonderfully poetic and also very right. they are terrified, because there is nothing they can do. this spike of transphobia is just the final, desperate struggle for survival before they take their dying breath. they could wipe away trans people and trans history completely, but somebody someday would sit with the feeling millions of trans people had before, and then they’d begin to ask questions and it’d be too late to shove them back in the box. transness is inevitable.

[@RilianSharp]

why do these people think you can't have a sexual orientation until puberty???

[@sandwichqueen]

It due to a lot of the hormones making the feelings a lot stronger. Especially when it comes to testosterone. One thing I hated about myself pretransition was that. It wasn't attraction and even when it wasn't the feeling, it was persistent at being annoying

[@RilianSharp]

@sandwichqueen hmm. puberty didn't affect my attraction to others.

[@theashwoodfaerie2]

Because a five year old cannot be “sexually attracted” to someone. Sure they can have cute little crushes on the same gender, but not want to boink them. Sexual attraction is wanting to boink or be boinked by that person

[@madamek8656]

These people are very convinced that kindergarten crushes don’t exist

[@Laia-g1m]

Still she kept going on and on like: How are the kids going to know whether they're gay or straight? Well, what about me?? I'm ace and I'm never going to feel sexual attraction so then why does it matter. It's just a poor excuse for being a bigoted waste of air

[@Lilthecat-lj7qo]

"If parrotfish can do it, why can't humans?" I want this on my gravestone.

[@marinasplaylist2251]

And Kobudai

[@Ssstone3.14]

Because humans are mammals?

[@Lilthecat-lj7qo]

@@Ssstone3.14 dude, chill. I'm a random stranger, not a debate prompt.

[@goodpeople25]

@@Ssstone3.14 Now explain lions.

[@junoismad]

@@Ssstone3.14 there are trans lions! and like literal trans people but you know

[@Ledeanna.Calantha]

You have to remember even before the 90s "feminists" excluded Lesbians from the Feminist Movement. Heck the Lavender Menace was a thing.

[@realMacMadame]

And Dear Helen just said we should keep doing that.

[@minestar2247]

huh? weren't some of the most radical feminists lesbians? it sounds stupid, but sadly that's what happened in history

[@newtownie]

This was not at all a thing ... I was a card carrying 80s feminist and lesbians were at all the women's conferences centre stage and transvestites as they were known then were also in attendance. I think there were a lot of women who thought they should be political lesbians .. and that was actually a thing. Lesbians were that embraced. I really wonder where people are getting some of these ideas from.

[@realMacMadame]

@ I agree. In college, the women in our Women's Center often claimed you couldn't be a real feminist if you weren't a Lesbian. However, I do think there were certain circles where White Cis Straight women tried to make people conform under the theory that the extremes were hurting the movement by scaring away people. No circles I would travel in but they existed.

[@WyvernAtlas]

As an aroace trans person it pisses me off that almost all of her reasoning revolves around sex and fetishization, I think if she actually talked to a trans person and about their experiences she'd explode ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

[@paulwilliammonks1]

@@WyvernAtlas quick, any trans person please speak to her NOW!! ;)

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@JohannaKlemeks2014]

I'm a transwomen, and I dress masculine.. and I don't understand how people can't understand the need to transition.. that dysphoria is absolutely horrible. It literally caused me mental breakdowns as well as I started drinking to cope.. I'm 38 and I've known since at least 5th grade and I've only been on hrt since May 1st this year. It's an absolute hell living that way. . My family never really did any of the it's this or that. I had dolls and I had nerf guns and transformers, I may wear a dress now and then but that's LITERALLY because my girlfriend loves it. I'm so glad you made this video. ❤

[@JoF999]

Exactly, these people don't seem to understand the difference between gender identity and gender expression! It's not that hard to understand unless they are willfully being ignorant to fit their own confirmation bias! (I'm a gay cis girl who dresses 'masculine' too) I've never once doubted my gender, and not because of my sexuality or clothing but because I'm not trans! My sex alines with my gender so for this woman to claim she's an expert without qualifications or experience is to say she's an expert in ignorance and nothing else!

[@harmless_spider]

congrats on getting that hrt!

[@alician4931]

As a cis woman, I literally *can't* understand dysphoria. It's a pretty alien concept to me because I haven't experienced it and I don't think there are any comparable cis experiences, at least not that I've had. However, I don't have to *understand* it to believe trans people when they tell me that's their experience. I don't understand how cis people can hear "I was violently unhappy, but after gender transition I feel more comfortable" and be against that? Hearing other people describe their dysphoria and how transition is effective at diminishing it is enough argument to support transition.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

People like Joyce are so quick to harass masculine trans women as “pretending to be trans”

[@goodpeople25]

@@alician4931 You know that cis people can and do have dysphoria in regards to gender and that there are a lot more of them right?

[@aspidoscelis]

On one hand, she seems to think that trans women's understanding of being a woman, femininity, etc., is just "stereotypes". She returns to that a few times, dismissing the idea that trans women could have a deeper understanding or sense of identity beyond, IDK, wearing lipstick or whatever. On the other hand, she obviously believes that women are a pretty homogeneous group with a ton of other shared experience, understanding, viewpoint, etc. And she's probably thinking, really, of British women of roughly her age and social background and extrapolating that out to "women"... Being a woman obviously means a lot more to her than some superficial stereotypes. That's the bit she should probably extrapolate outward to women in general. Cis men who just want to wear lipstick... just wear lipstick. If it were that superficial for me, I wouldn't have changed my name, started HRT, etc.-I wouldn't be a trans woman. Transitioning is work and people are lazy. No one's going to do it if it doesn't have deeper meaning to them. (And, FWIW, I don't personally wear lipstick or do all that much overt feminine gender expression and I doubt I will. Women are all over the place in terms of their enthusiasm for the more overtly "girly" stuff, and trans women are no exception.)

[@bellarosethorne]

she cannot compute that a trans woman's understanding of womanhood, by necessity starts from "I am a woman, even when I look entirely like a man." That our understanding, cannot start from the makeup, skirts, etc. anything girly.. it starts from accepting there is something deep down in our core that leads us towards womanhood. That the more you strip away of me, the *more* a woman I am, not less. You strip me down to a brain in a jar, you won't find me any different than any other woman. I *am* a woman, regardless of how I developed. Whether I choose to wear makeup or not, is not a choice of being a woman, it's a choice of taste, of impression, of expression. I'm a woman, no matter what. If i'm wearing my skirt, my cami, my cardigan, and my makeup, that's not me trying to *be* a woman, that's me shouting from the rooftops, as loud as I can, in every visual language we have, that I want you to *acknowledge* that I'm a woman. Because I am either way, that expression is just me letting you in on that fact.

[@killenashlee]

My sister is comparing my transition to steroid abuse, and saying I'm not natural. That I should stop being different. I'm glad to see another video of yours tonight, it always helps.

[@firetube8288]

​@@XxYwise... do you know what steroids are?

[@elizabeth_reads7]

Sending love and support, hopefully your sister educates herself. ❤

[@Sereniea]

Sending warmth your way, your truth is the most natural thing in the world to live. I hope your sister can work through her prejudice, but either way you deserve to give yourself kindness 🥰

[@oceanicmartian]

You’re a beautiful human being. Your differences are meant to be embraced & celebrated. I know it’s hard, but don’t let her get inside your head. 🩷

[@CastelEown]

If "you're not natural" as she claims, tell her to stop wearing clothes and using running water, electricity and vehicles and to just run in the wild if she's so up and about nature. 😌

[@eepmeep8550]

I got one of Joyce's books removed from a mental health reading list in my university library (by quietly pointing out that it shouldn't have been on it in the first place, I'm very boring)

[@lilypotter3794]

Yay!

[@ConnieFWill]

boring praxis is still praxis (and in fact, might be the most important praxis of all)

[@TransGuyShane]

An hour and 35 minutes??? Obviously this will have taken jamie so long to make but i always appreciate and enjoy the extra long videos ❤❤

[@violetjiji8537]

That’s weird I’ve been gay for 31 years and not once had anyone told me I must be trans

[@eb3222]

Lucky you who wasn't a child or adolescent during the last 10 years.

[@mugsnkisses]

I am so glad that people are calling out terfy nonsense, I know it takes alot of energy on creators parts but your work is so meaningful to wade through the bullshit they spout.

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel?

[@billmartins5545]

Lol, Jammie is the one spouting BS. No arguments were made in this reaction video.

[@mugsnkisses]

​@billmartins5545 i mean jamie is an actual expert on trans topics and his lived experiance and Helen joyce is just a terf who can't string a coherent thought together

[@snapdragonslair]

2:19 Excuse me? What exactly counts as a “damaged person” in your mind, Helen? I’m nonbinary and pretty healthy mentally. What does that make me? But that also brings up another issue: are people who struggle with their mental health automatically “damaged”? And does that make their identities less valid?

[@CallumTimothy]

It's a vile dehumanising choice of word. No matter if you are lgbtq+, mentally ill, disabled, have trauma or anything, no person is "damaged." Because you're not an object, you're a living being.

[@Strawberries1994]

I love the "that doesn't happen in other believes" like... literally all religions have history of genocide and imposing their believes onto others.. and also, she is imposing HER believe onto other people... Even if she believes is a believe, she is doing the same... in her own mind she is a hypocrite

[@Para2normal]

I detransitioned due to societal pressure (I was an ugly presenting guy before I transitioned and I remained an ugly presenting guy after surgery) but that surgery was so important to me, I had to have it otherwise I would not be here now.

[@andriypredmyrskyy7791]

It’s really surreal watching HJ talk about “all the reasons trans men want to transition” meanwhile knowing that she “went through the same messaging” and necessarily had to have those thoughts (that she thinks are persuading young cis women into “being trans”) while somehow herself being immune? Like, Helen, why do you think those arguments might be more persuasive to some people? Could it be because those people have a reason to IDENTIFY WITH MASCULINITY DESPITE THEIR AGAB?? (Another funny fraction of these conversations devolve into just describing trans people like we’re bad, while trying to act like they don’t think we’re bad. It’s like saying “the gays are recruiting!” And then describing the one defining feature of homosexuality like it’s an enticing evil instead of a… definition)

[@RilianSharp]

she said trans people have dissociated from their sex. so someone who hasn't dissociated from their sex *identifies* as that sex? meaning that gender identity exists? but only for cis people, for some reason.

[@River10081]

A gender identity is fundamentally different than a transgender identity. Gender identity: “Because of my biology, I am a woman.” Transgender identity: “Regardless of my biology, I am a woman.”

[@ConnieFWill]

@@River10081 that's not fundamentally different though. and even in your own formulation, you're missing the obvious addition of "regardless of biology, i am a woman; because of my biology, i am trans." Either biology or socially assigned sex is what makes someone intelligible as trans in the first place anyway, otherwise there would be no distinction between cis and trans. They are, however, both identifications of belonging within a category. Your logic is trash, but it was a nice try.

[@goodpeople25]

@@River10081 Wow you're illiterate, both functionally and specific to biology.

[@RilianSharp]

some terfs say there's no such thing as identifying with your sex. but if that is the case, then there is no such thing as dissociating from your sex either.

[@RilianSharp]

i wonder why my reply here has vanished.

[@TheProblem2025]

It’s smart to censor out the book name but oh my god in context it sounds like her book title is just a long string of slurs 😅😅

[@ConnieFWill]

i mean, it might as well be, right? lmao

[@ambientjohnny]

@@ConnieFWill How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel? This is fundamental to the entire issue, yet no one seems capable of answering it. Why is that?

[@mr.perfectcell1887]

I got that too, Lol!

[@Dutch3DMaster]

It's also worse when you know the name of the book, but also the name of a person being censored because the context is so well known among some transpeople...

[@scaredyfish]

I find Joyce extremely frustrating to listen to. She never actually argues her position, she just assumes it to be correct, and proceeds from that premise. And she says all sorts of wild things without a whiff of supporting evidence. These right wing podcasts, which always have suspiciously expensive looking sets, despite having middling viewership, just exist to make these viewpoints sound legitimate. You don’t need to support your case, you just need to tell it with confidence in front of a respectable looking backdrop.

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel? How can you all be so totally blind to the incoherence of your own position?

[@RI0Tkitty]

Damn she sure thinks she’s smart for not having a single coherent thought… You’re right, it’s like she literally just has something pop into her head and then she says it without connecting it to anything factual at all. I have a headache now 🙂

[@i3ignorantidelweb43]

I’m a trans guy mathematician, or at least I’m getting a degree 😁😁 (even before realising I always respected everyone 🫶🏻🫶🏻)

[@KeepTheDoubleSpace]

Looking at this comment section I'd love to see a trans man/mathematician ven diagram. Are you sure you're not just a confused mathematician? /s

[@SpecialBlanket]

Trans mathematician here too! Doesn't this lady have some thing else to do with her time? I don't understand how you could really have time for anything else as a career mathematician. That and being in a relationship takes up all my time.

[@ace.of.space.]

nonbinary math grad student here!! and I have met at least 6 trans / nonbinary people in my program

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel? This is fundamental to the entire issue, yet no one seems capable of answering it. Why is that?

[@billmartins5545]

Cool, it's always good to see more women in STEM. I'm a woman and have STEM degrees too (PhD is my highest degree).

[@andriypredmyrskyy7791]

There’s a serious disconnect between the literature reviews of Cass’s inquiry, the body of her report, its conclusions, and what Cass has said publicly about the work, each layer pulling a little harder on the threads of transphobia present in research to justify the unjustifiable. Everyone who knows a lick of what they’re talking about disagrees with Cass, and the only people I’ve ever seen agree are those I wouldn’t trust to have read it. I’VE read it, and there’s nothing in there that justifies a ban on puberty blockers besides unfounded skepticism that would be out of place in any medical setting.

[@Elizabeth-vw8ts]

I have read it and what you are saying about it is absolutely false. It's respected by all scientific organisations that don't profit from gender transition services. So much so that the NHS here have now banned the use of puberty blockers for minors as well as the affirmation only care model. This brings the UK in line with many European countries such as Sweden, Denmark and France that have independently come to the same conclusions and banned them. Because transitioning children causes irreversible harm. Shame on anyone still encouraging it.

[@sandwichqueen]

​@@Elizabeth-vw8ts you mean the scientific organizations that already decided the healthcare, which mind you is still being given out to cis kids, decided that they didn't want to support it off of one paper. Also, the paper never concluded gender affirming care for kids was bad. It concluded we needed more evidence. Does pulling healthcare away from people seem like they're trying to collect evidence? Or maybe the paper was a big pile of poo that was made by a super bias "unbiased" third party who had no clue what they were doing due to the fact they weren't an expert. When has science been about confirming bias rather than trying to figure out the truth? I'm tired of transphobes being taken seriously when they lie so much they've created an entire world where everyone is trans. It's literal madness and I hope transphobes recover. Might not, but I still hope they are able to at least see the light.

[@goodpeople25]

@@Elizabeth-vw8ts Factually untrue and you might as well be extolling the virtues of the protocols.

[@searchingstuff]

Incorrect. The Cass report is a gold standard when it comes to medical reviews. I've actually read it too, and it is absolutely right that puberty blockers do not have enough medical evidence to justify their use at this time. We should still research for sure, but we must take the approach of 'do the least harm'. Considering 90% of kids who are not put on puberty blockers and have an interest in transitioning do not transition at 18 after they leave school should tell us we need to be careful.

[@albedougnut]

@@Elizabeth-vw8ts I have read it, and it was extremely poorly designed. The systematic reviews were anti-parsimonious and engaged in cherry-picking studies for inclusion, the qualitative section completely ignored the body of literature on the subject the review was supposed to even be about, and the review makes numerous posited statements without providing *any* evidence to support them. On the contrary, many countries like France, Australia, and Japan have recently rejected the Cass Review. France and Australia released their own reviews of the evidence, finding a stark contrast to the Cass Review. Meanwhile, a notable conversion therapist from Finland was included in the advisory board for the systematic reviews of the Cass Review. The Cass Review was also recently made obsolete by a quasi-experimental study published in the Nature journal that provided causal evidence that anti-trans legislation which targets GAC increases suicidality in trans youth.

[@phaIIicaIIyimpaired]

Social media has made it so anyone with a decently large following can pretend (and be believed) to be a respected authority on just about any topic. PhD-havers lecturing way outside of their fields of expertise, but their degrees still being seen as a badge of credibility, are among the worst.

[@Donolohe]

So very much this! And it's even worse, because all the categories have become incredibly broad, I've heard physicists with professor degree spout nonsense about space, because their knowledge was back at the level of mandatory lectures they attended as students, but they convinced themselves they'd figure it out because they mastered their own field. And I'm not saying that we should ditch the degrees altogether in the discourse, but I *am* saying that you need to pay attention to know whether you're talking to an expert or some rando with a fancy paper in case of that particular discussion you're hypothetically having.

[@TheSparkly1982]

People think a PhD makes you smart when really it proves you know a lot about one very specific thing. Too much credibility is given to those of us with letters after our names

[@billmartins5545]

Jammie has a really shitty humanities PhD from some third-tier uni but she keeps commenting on topics way outside her expertise (medicine, physiology, statistics, human rights). If you want to crap on people for talking about topics different from their field of immediate study, you need to apply that to Jammie too. But you are disingenuous, and will only apply your standard to people whose opinions you don't like. 99% of people commenting here are literally children with the mind of a child.

[@damienb6184]

Great video Jamie, she definitely filled out the bingo card!! I was as flabbergasted as you were by the mess she was spouting. So many nonsequiturs, dog whistles and essentially just things she seems to be imagining that are not based in fact. I felt like I was losing brain cells the longer I tried to follow her trains of thought. I find it so ironic that she calls us chronically online when these “arguments” she comes up with are what is parroted in, as you said, anti trans twitter rabbit holes. The amount of bigotry against not only trans folk, but homophobia, prejudice against people with autism.. how are these people allowed a scrap of credibility in media and in lawmaking. I’m so, so tired 😑

[@ace0fsp4des77]

I think the absolute worst part of this is that people who don’t know a lot about trans people will see stuff like this and think it’s true. It happened to my parents, and I feel like it’s happened to a lot of others

[@emerson23946]

Yah same

[@billmartins5545]

I've been researching this topic for longer than most of you teenagers have been alive and as an actual scientist, I know humans can't change sex and that gender is some bs concept made up by a branch of psychology.

[@socialexperimentable]

"I'm not an expert" *Host treats her like THE expert*

[@BetterThanEmber]

32:52 Helen doesn't have a belief she's protecting people; she has an excuse. Just like Anita Bryant and Phyllis Schlaffley.

[@alexp712]

As a cis woman, I've been harassed, followed, attacked, assaulted, threatened, and groped by many men in my life since I was 13. Not a single time has it happened in a bathroom and not a single time has it been done by a trans woman.

[@daddydeadly3428]

Sounds like single sex bathrooms have successfully kept you safe. Would you really want the men who assaulted you to say they now identified as women and wanted to share the bathroom with you?

[@dariocarraresi1823]

​@@daddydeadly3428 Anti-trans bathroom policies increase the risk of assault, so at this point I think that your and your friends' daughters should get EXACTLY what you advocate for.

[@daddydeadly3428]

​@@dariocarraresi1823 yeah, right.

[@mjtruth1039]

@@daddydeadly3428 I am a cis man. What exactly is stopping me from claiming to be a trans man so you can let me into the women’s bathroom?

[@noteworthy__a3763]

@@mjtruth1039 just knowing you want to get into a woman’s restroom is all the more reason why we have such issues.

[@salemstrange2091]

I genuinely worry about my safety so much as a trans person… i genuinely don’t understand why people hate me because of something I’m doing to my self to better my overall existence

[@michaellovullo7363]

Nobody hates you. People don't want this ideology pushed on grade school children.

[@mjtruth1039]

⁠@@michaellovullo7363 You’re just being willfully ignorant.

[@ParasWiineri]

​@@michaellovullo7363 by telling them that people exist?

[@pietjewaanman3506]

I dont hate you. You are just wrong if you say that you can change from man to woman or the otherway around. And i think that we shouldn't remove body parts from children. Anyone who agrees with that should go to jail (I know there isn't a law for that). Can't give a child a tattoo but can cut of plbody parts? No.

[@mjtruth1039]

@ 1. Do you have a scientific source that invalidates trans people? 2. “Removing body parts” can literally describe circumcision and amputation, both of which are done on kids.

[@chelchase787]

It seemed like a lot of the time when she was talking about trans women she was really talking about drag queens.

[@electronics-girl]

I think she was mostly talking about a figment of her own imagination.

[@psychotophatcat]

Really, if we want to get down to it, she was talking about cis male crossdressers who have a fetish for dressing up as a woman, rather than doing wearing feminine clothing/etc as an expression of their own personality/fashion. They do exist, but they certainly aren't fighting for their rights to be seen as women, because they know they aren't -- that's part of the kink for them.

[@shmrkbutrfly]

Listening to this video while cleaning and I keep catching myself making disgusted faces at what these people are just casually saying. I started watching Jamie's videos as a GNC cis girl that wanted to learn more about trans people so I can be a better ally to my trans friends. Through LEARNING MORE (not being "transed" or "forced", I discovered that I'm nonbinary. Since discovering that, I have 100% felt so much better about my life and body, fixing things that I didn't even realize bother me. It actually makes me sick to hear how trans people are being treated and talked about, and definitely solidified that I'm not safe to come out. I respect out trans/enby people so much and will do all I can to support them; as this video shows, there is a long fight ahead. Ok that was a big ramble, but basically I feel like I'm proof that talking about trans identities and learning about them is SO IMPORTANT. I started out as a girl from a very religious family that was taught to "respect people even if you don't agree with their identity." Here I am now getting upset on the behalf of my trans friends and all trans people as a whole. No one should feel unsafe to be who they are, and no one should be refused healthcare. Full stop.

[@allysontousignant591]

I donated to the Trevor Project and just ordered your book, I’m a cis straight woman but would love to give your book a read❤🏳️‍⚧️

[@sabrinanaves7148]

🩷🤍🩵

[@TransHippie]

It's a good book for a lay (not a psychologist) cis person interested in being an ally.

[@emerson23946]

What scares me is how readily people believe this. When I came out to my therapist, a woman who travels the world lecturing and owns her own practice, she parroted several points of this terf rhetoric. Retrospectively that really scares me

[@Ssstone3.14]

I imagine you scare women far more than they scare you

[@firetube8288]

​@@Ssstone3.14your name has SS at the start, opinion invalid

[@BetterThanEmber]

45:25 Helen is not aware male SWs exist 🤣😂

[@MareaRayneOleander]

1:01:29 why is this adult man so concerned with whether CHILDREN can have babies???

[@ITZJAYRAHHH]

sigh i hate how people will say being transphobic will help feminism.. Feminism is fighting for EVERYONE'S equality, not just women, and not just trans people. Everyone. Anyways, good video again :D

[@ITZJAYRAHHH]

WHAT THE FUCK HARRY POTTER NSFW??? WITH A MINOR???!?!?!?!?

[@haliehope7067]

i support you and the way you are handling this, but..... i can't watch this one. sorry. not because of you, just even a small clip of the person you are covering today just makes me so angry that i rather not deal with her at all if possible. not sure how she is an "expert" when she is a screaming homophobic karen.

[@JoF999]

Valid. Nothing wrong with sitting this one out👍.

[@CMelon-xe1qc]

Yeah, You do what you need to do, that’s very fair, have a great time zone! ❤️

[@summerodwyer7848]

I appreciate and admire your patience in going through this point by point. It’s scary that people feel like they can speak as an authority on subjects they have no experience with. Thanks Jamie for the video! And I hope you get to chill and recover after this 🫠

[@monikastaron7627]

The confused feminist and anti-feminist, pro-LGBT and anti-LGBT talk is infuriating to me, but at the same time, it's so funny to watch her stumble over complicated identity concepts. In my opinion, her words are not meaningless, I could take her words apart and make a whole ass essay on identity politics. She's just too comfortable with the idea of a fixed identity to understand that all social constructs such as race and gender have been created at some point. Sometimes I wonder if this way of thinking (but muddled with antitrans bigotry) doesn't come from social movements that were very loud in the seventies, like lgbt movement and second wave feminism (I would also add for my own sanity, although they were necessary and important, they were also very exclusionary and that's why I'm bringing them up, I don't want you to read it and think: do they compare antitrans agenda with social rights movements?! so no, I don't, it's only the part of it that was beckoned to backfire when you try to tell people that a particular group shares exactly the same experiences of oppression). Like, people should understand that our identities are both real, have real life consequences, and are constructed at the same time. They are shifted by society and politics to fit a certain way of thinking and performing. It's also very sad, because in order to diminish trans people's existence, she had to double down on the stereotypes of gender roles and norms, and then she was going in circles between "women can be anything" and "trans women are not women because women are this and that". Pure histerics.

[@monikastaron7627]

PS It was the first time where I couldn't help myself from bringing up critical theory in a youtube comment. I apologise in advance if it wasn't clear enough, but there is to much to say and not enough space for it. But, if anyone reading this is interested, I would recommend reaserching works of Foucault, Butler and Halberstam or just queer theory in general. Also a bit of post-colonial theory and third wave of feminism is great!

[@monikastaron7627]

PS2 after coming to the end: Jamie, I admire you for watching this thing to the end, really and thank you for the commentary. Also, I am terrified by some of this woman's ideas and the rationalization of her bigotry. This interview is... I have no words.

[@mxmissy]

I've gotten to the point where she talks about how testosterone hurts trans men, and some of the comments really upsets me. Obviously, from a perspective of trans people are people. But also I'm trans nonbinary, but born in an AFAB body and I have PCOS. And the discussion around trans boys taking testosterone just makes me so infuriated but also deeply upsetting. Like the way she spoke about how testosterone turns you into essentially a brute. And I mean yes, I realise that that's the point. But it's just, hurtful. I didn't choose to have an abnormal amount of testosterone in my body, and weirdly enough, even though I'm trans masc, I wish I could get rid of my facial hair. Out of all the things I'm dysphoric about, it's the facial hair. Not having periods is fine, hell even having a larger chest and stuff that holds babies sure sometimes makes me dysphoric, but I can just wear a binder. It's just wild how transphobes don't see some of the shit they're spewing and realise how much it hurts other cis women. It's why I have such an empathy and why I connect with trans women a lot better than cis women. Hell, even cis women with PCOS. A lot of them are weirdly transphobic (and it's moreso that they think they're better because at the end of the day they're still cis). And of course, I'm empathetic to trans women because they are women, don't get it twisted. But it's just, yeah. I honestly cannot put into words just how much it hurts. It just, does.

[@rampantunease6517]

34:33 Helen "for Some it's a sexual thrill (to be trans) ". Even if it was all trans woman what do you care Helen? You don't have to sleep with them. Stop kink shaming!

[@Ssstone3.14]

Why should males be allowed in female spaces given the history of sex based violence?

[@goodpeople25]

@@Ssstone3.14 You're the one doing that. Also your fellow misogynists who attacked women for being women would need you to explain how you are hurting women by saying their violence was sex based before being okay with you.

[@prageruwu69]

​@@Ssstone3.14trans women are not more likely to be violent to women, despite your fantasies.

[@OscarLangleySoryu]

“For research purposes” 💀

[@PallyChan]

As a transwomen, I do think my gender is female and my sex is male. My understanding of sex is it has to do with the role you play in reproduction and my DNA is the same no matter how much HRT or surgery or my presentation changes. I don't think any of that matters to how you treat people or if people should be accepted as their preferred gender (obviously, please don't be mean to me T_T), but I don't think it's possible to change sex unless we could literally do what some fish and amphibians do where they change their sex. Obviously I have secondary sex characteristics of a women etc, but my DNA is clearly male and that's the role I would play if I was to reproduce.

[@camiliar]

well sex is not just a genetic trait, it also includes secondary sex characteristics, hormones, gametes, genitalia, etc. I consider my sex sort of in between male and female, almost like medically induced intersex, if that makes sense. Unless you use a strictly gamete definition for sex, sex is bimodal. Using just gametes or chromosomes is generally way too simplistic for a complex social species like humans, but it is useful in some contexts and other species.

[@peanutbutterbruv]

So you agree with Helen Joyce, like the rest of the world 🙄

[@quantumAnarchist]

So I have a question, what difference has your DNA made in your life that cant be explained with hormones and learnt behaviour? Hormones control all sex characteristic besides the gametes themselves, no androgens in chromosomally male or female will result in female genitalia in fetal development, can a male with a androgen insensitivity have a male reproductive role? These are the same we take, just structures that have already formed cant unform. I have XX but i was also assigned male and am a trans woman, I didn't learn of my DNA until i was in my mid thirties, my experience doesn't seem atypical from other trans women, i don't see how DNA affected anything in my life. I don't have a uterus and i was apparently firing blanks, what is my reproductive role?

[@quantumAnarchist612]

im not trying to come across as mean, it just kinda conflicts with my life experience and knowledge of endocrinology and development, so I'm genuinely curious. Also there has been success in full uterine system transplants into male rats, though they only tested that they continued producing female hormones, if later trials show success in pregnancy, would that change our concept of male and female?

[@sandwichqueen]

How do you know your chromosomes? I really wanna get mine tested too. Just for funzies.

[@badcaseofstripes]

By the way, thank you Jammi if you see this, you are doing incredible work in untangling this mess of bigotry and clearing the air especially for younger trans people who may see your content. If I saw your content earlier in my life I would've felt more confident in transitioning sooner and had less internalized doubt and fear.

[@peno6397]

KZbin has very huge loading problems in Russia 😢

[@TheDoctorWhoDon]

it's deliberate.

[@YEALANDS2024]

I wonder why😂

[@ThemsCanBeFemmes]

I'm ftnb and I've known for like 4 years and I just now got told by my doctor that she'll ask about places I could go for counseling surrounding my hopes for top surgery... Idk what makes people think that affirming care is just handed to us I'll have to travel to get it done too so it's not easy

[@ThemsCanBeFemmes]

Also lady doesn't continue a consistent conversation contradicting herself and never revisiting some topics

[@billmartins5545]

So you are very misinformed. Thanks for sharing that!

[@truegodfox]

I think one of the most mind numbingly frustrating things about kistening to her in this video is the fact she kept using the term "proto-gay" while pretending to be a queer ally. For anyone not aware, proto-gay isn't a term used by professionals in the field. It's a conversion therapy term used to describe gay people as children to say they turned gay. I think if nothing else shows she shouldnt be speaking on this, its her either ignorance about or malicious use of this term.

[@ziganamonroe1812]

So infuriating hearing this ridiculous hateful bs! Jamie you are so eloquent and composed. I love your videos and as a cis women I learn so much. Appreciate you and hope that you and Shaaba have a lovely Christmas and New Year break. ❤

[@joypomeroy1452]

*woman :P

[@ambientjohnny]

How are boys/men or girls/women "supposed” to think or feel, want to dress like or act? You must be able to provide specific standards for each sex for what you are contending to make any sense whatsoever. If there is no correct way of being a man or a woman, then how can there be a "mismatch" between what they are and how they feel? This is fundamental to the entire issue, yet no one seems capable of answering it. Why is that?

[@billmartins5545]

Jammie has no argument but most fans are too immature to see through the BS.

[@Pushing_Daisies]

Can’t believe KZbin hid Jamie’s video from me for a whole eight minutes

[@madstheghost4130]

It hid him from me for an hour! AND ON SPUD RELEASE DAY! I am so offended right now. KZbin trying to keep all of us from those lil potato thumbs.

[@Ctrl-Z-Renders]

@@madstheghost4130 Huh, for me its says 32 minutes ago.

[@pyrrha-c6q]

As a fellow academic, I love love love the academic sources he cited. Jamie, if you see this, please keep citing papers in your videos! They're incredibly helpful for shutting haters up, and those of us not in psychology but in adjacent fields could really benefit from your recommendations to navigate the literature.

[@kevinturner9549]

Truth isn't hate, it's just the truth.

[@nateB-l7k]

@@kevinturner9549what truth?

[@billiecruz4399]

@@kevinturner9549 100+ comments on just this channel? You are completely obsessed with hating trans people huh?

[@Stardipped_Paws]

​@@kevinturner9549Name one scientific source that agrees with you. And not just "biology"; biology is a broad field of science, not a source itself.

[@PinkPuffball1992]

@@Stardipped_PawsHey, I've seen your other convos with kevin there, and I think it's best if you just stopped trying and just ignore them. They're just gonna come back with saying the exact same stuff they've been saying, like exactly the same, almost as if they're a bot or a weirdly dedicated troll. Anyways, it's just not worth it anymore, so for your own sake, just ignore them

[@katherineelizabeth6052]

I am a cis-bi woman, and I've been watching your content for several years. I have learned so much through your videos, even the memes, which allowed me to unlearn some beliefs society programmed into me. I am so grateful. I get irate listening to TERFs speak their nonsensical rhetoric, but I feel it's important to know the talking points to understand what truths we need to speak louder than their panicked, hateful cries. I will always stand beside trans people. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are valid. Trans kids deserve proper care. Full stop. No debate. No uncertainty. Just truth.

[@kevinturner9549]

Truth isn't transphobic. Trans women are men pretending to be women, simple fact. Aren't "terfs" just women who know what a woman is?

[@Stardipped_Paws]

​@@kevinturner9549Apparently they don't know what a woman is, when people like JK Rowling have accused women like Imane Khelif and Barbra Banda of being 'men pretending to be women'.

[@kevinturner9549]

​@@Stardipped_PawsThe boxer isn't, so wrong again.

[@emilyauld8622]

41:10 I am a cis woman who doesn't get periods and can't get pregnant.. guess I'm a man?

[@Dutch3DMaster]

Which is exactly the problem with transphobia and in case of Joyce the biological essentialism that lies at the root of her transphobia. Allmost all women at work are taller than I am (I'm 170 cm's tall, which is the average height for Dutch women, but I did go through boy puberty). According to people like Joyce these people should be called men, because transpohbes tend to always describe transwomen as hyperstereotypical men, tall and what not. I have had people ask me why I don't have an Adamsapple. Because they literally were convinced only men get them and were confused as to why I was without one. Absolutely everyone I spoke to and I explained to that the Adams apple is not predominantly a male characteristic and that women can have one too, started feeling their own throat. Some men were surprised learning theirs was also much less visible or pronounced than they always thought it to be, and some women found out they had a pronounced one... In similar ways, I have had the question where people started "So...can I ask how you managed to stay so short? Because I mean, you are not very tall for someone " *realizing now they will need to acknowledge someone's birth sex and don't know if that's appropriate* "born like...ehm, I mean, well, eh, you know? I mean, you must have stopped growing early?" Which is a fun question to get as well, because not only does this question came from women who are taller than I am and also did not realize at that moment they themselves are taller than average, but I also had to explain them that I actually was way below average short. So short in fact, I got puberty screening as a child from about age 11 to 14. There were concerns my body was halting puberty all on it's own and they wanted to rule out a problem with the endocrine system of my body, which they suspected was breaking down FSH and LH (the hormones released by the GnRH-signalling hormone, the hormone puberty blockers block) before it was able to do anything in my body. The discomfort people then experience when finding out what puberty screening consists off is golden honestly :P I have warned each and every one of them 3 times if they want to know the details, and when I tell them they are like "Ugh, no, I definitely didn't want to know that!?"

[@kaylie_dq]

According to terfs yes

[@joanfregapane8683]

As a cis woman with a lifelong ‘tomboy’ mentality, I am constantly shocked at the overreach utilized by transphobic folks such as this woman. How in heck is she setting herself up as an expert when she has no qualifications whatsoever. I would much prefer to listen to experts and actual trans people (which Jamie manages to be both!). I wouldn’t listen to an executive assistant in a food manufacturing firm about his/her take on the efficacy of vitamin supplements or the best design for the new NASA spacesuits - other than as a friendly (?) informal discussion, certainly I wouldn’t hold that person as any kind of ‘expert’.

[@BeeNTea]

My sister is in the terf rabbit hole. It sucks that she refuses to see me and people like me correctly. She tries to look supportive and I was really hopeful to be closer to her as sisters but she doesn't see me that way and it is very hurtful.

[@billmartins5545]

If you feel others need to see you as the sex you are not, then YOU are the one with the issues, not those other people.

[@pietjewaanman3506]

Well, in my experience, transactivists just want other to have their views. If the views not aline enough then the emotional rage starts on the transactivists side. So, maybe try to find common ground? Count to 10 and only then reply

[@weatherman1504]

"The blood of the covenant is thicker than the waters of the womb". Sometimes the family you're born with won't be as kind as the family you find. I hope you find a family who will truly support you. You're more valid than the hatred thrown your way.

[@phoenixyfriend]

I agree with you on a lot of this BUT. All else aside, I do not think someone's reading habits should be investigated like that. I'll be the first to admit that I'm prone to glancing at people's screens in public (big city, pickpockets happen, so a sudden movement will draw the eye just as a protective measure), but I don't take photos of it and turn it into a scandal? That's just an invasion of privacy. Even in public, a person's screen activity should be reasonably private. It's not a video or image. It's text on screen. You need to put in real effort to get more than an incidental word or two. If you just glance because of the instinct to check on a sudden movement or flash of color that caught your attention, you might get two words and then register it's not an issue and go back to your own phone. You don't know what a person is reading UNLESS you stare for longer than necessary, and that's the point at which it's become an invasion of privacy. "It's in public!" It's text. If they aren't actively [redacted] or otherwise bothering people, and it's not something that could be disturbing in JUST a glance (as opposed to peering over her shoulder and taking photos) then it's not anyone's business.

[@JayElJay]

I'd agree with you IF what was bring read wasn't CP

[@mmmmhi1234]

Her: Being trans is about stereotypes! Me, a nonbinary person with a boy hairstyle and hello kitty shirt: What?

[@Ssstone3.14]

Those are stereotypes

[@billmartins5545]

Do you not see that YOU are the one with regressive stereotypes? There's no such thing as a "boy hairstyle". Women have had short hairstyles throughout history too just like men have had long hairstyles. You are the old-fashioned one thinking short hair is a "boy" hairstyle (I guess you are a child because you don't say men's or male hairstyle). Hello Kitty is a cartoon character that anyone can enjoy whether you are female or male. You thinking that somehow a "boy" hairstyle combined with a toy cat character is subversive or breaking the mould shows that YOU are the regressive one. I guess you're in your teens? Grow up!

[@pearcat08]

I'm genuinely confused about her analogy of someone being trans vs. being Catholic. I think she is trying to differentiate between adherence to a belief and one's identity, but if someone tells her they are catholic does she say "I know you believe that but don't expect me to acknowledge that you are actually Catholic or treat you like you are " ? Am I confused or does she just genuinely not make any sense? ( I mean, I know she doesnt make any sense in general)

[@CoreSynth]

I think her comparison would be better described as “transwomen are women = god exists.” As an atheist, I can then say “that’s silly but you’re entitled to believe it”. It’s meant to devalue and further pathologize. If we’re a religion, then we can be criticized for “forcing others to believe what we believe”. Trans people aren’t spirits or dieties. For me the counter argument here is that trans rights are a humanist issue, not a religious, metaphysical one.

[@sabrinanaves7148]

​@@CoreSynthSpeak for yourself, I'm a goddess 💅🏻

[@Phoneybeetlemaniacxs]

@@CoreSynthas a religious person I can choose not be religious trans people can’t choose not to be trans

[@daddydeadly3428]

​@@gj5110 well said, I wish more of Jamie's followers would see and be willing to understand your explanation.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I don't really care if she was reading explicit fanfiction.

[@Neo-iz2fx]

Jamie just hit us with potato themed poetry at the start XD

[@LaylaScott-d8v]

Thanks

[@Jammidodger]

Thank you!!! 😊

[@LaylaScott-d8v]

@@Jammidodger yw

[@Erinnumber3]

This was more difficult to watch than i expected. I heard similar arguments from family members after i came out. Wasn't expecting the emotions to still be there on that...

[@raygoodspeed2382]

Jamie - are you ever going to analyse and critique the Cass Review. I look forward to seeing you take it apart.

[@firetube8288]

​@@XxYwise'cept it ain't

[@GaTraCos]

He did a whole vid about it.

[@raygoodspeed2382]

@@GaTraCos no he didn't

[@braeg413]

0:56 Common mistake, but those aren't puns. Puns are meant to be subtle, while those were clearly dad jokes. Because you made them *apparent*.

[@skye.is.everywhere]

"the backlash for her was really relatively minor in the grand scheme of things" THAT COULD NOTTTTT HAVE BEEN AN ACCIDENT WITH THE PHRASING

[@amethystmacleish2768]

Left me feeling awful, I lived through section 28, to think another is waiting in the wings makes me ill. The way she pushed the spaces, public toilets, work spaces, essentially making trans people unable to work or live in society, she just wants to erase trans people as she stated on that other clip. People like her will be remembered like Thatcher is, alas probably too late to be held accountable for the damage done.

[@victoriafinney3043]

Oh my goodness jamie! I didn't realise you had all those formal qualifications! Go you! Amazing! And NOW I know why you are my favourite trans youtuber! Well. I already knew why. But I didn't know your special sauce was a bevvy of specialist qualifications! IMPRESSED. *respect grows even more*

[@FlaccidPancake72]

I gotta say this I can’t hold back, her saying the fanfiction was for research is insane. Because, one me and most my high school friends were fanfic girlies growing up only one of us are trans, it had nothing to do with the fanficion, she wasn’t even into fanfiction. And secondly no teen fanfic loving person I’ve ever knew read that freaky crap. When I think Harry Potter fanfiction I think all the young dudes (fanfic about marauders when they went to Hogwarts it’s long as hell, and super lgbtq friendly) actual written stories, usually kinda written as a f u to JK. Not minor/minor nsfw, kidnapping??? She’s crazy for that and she’s grown 💀

[@fallenking578]

JK is a predator that wants to hide and deflect her own sins by blaming a scape goat (trans people) in the same way Donald Trump deflected all his shit on any opponent. Every accusation from JK is an confession she's doing it

[@harveyhaslostit]

Biggest sign of her not knowing anything is that she thought Harry/Ginny is what all the trans people read /j

[@danielsykes7558]

It's not my cup of tea, but I don't really know anything about the books she was reading, so I can't speak to them. To me, it's her bigotry that matters, obsessing over trans people, maybe just to protect JKR. If it comes out that she's harming people, maybe she's been projecting her self-concept onto others. If it comes out she was harmed when she was young, maybe that's why she has this shadow & it's taking out its aggression on trans people.

[@FlaccidPancake72]

@@danielsykes7558I agree with this, I just find the fanfic excuse she used very childish and funny like she knew teens like fanfiction so she dramatised it and used it as an excuse to cover for the creepy stuff she’s into and to villainise trans people.

[@goodpeople25]

@@hannao139 They have both been blamed on Jews by Nazis. You want to say what we're pretending and you are noticing again?

[@kdjets]

I'm non-binary but I was raised as a guy my whole life. I definitely tend to relate to women more. I think essentializing gender relations that way is ridiculous. Anyway, good video. As depressing as it is, that all of this misoformation is spread so easily

[@mufarms]

I "love" how shes never heard of intersex people. Who needs biology when you have opinions without basis in reality?! She seems extremely sheltered and clueless.

[@daddydeadly3428]

Do you really believe that following this year's Olympics she would be unaware of intersex people? As a reporter who had investigated trans issues of course she would have been aware of it for a long time as that's where much of the gender ideology language originates.

[@dariocarraresi1823]

@@Oli84-b6e Cool story bruh. Intersex people are gonna keep calling themselves "intersex" whether you want it or not. _"But some people want to be called people with DSD, not intersex"_ - They aren't included under the term "intersex", they're included under the term "people with DSD".

[@daddydeadly3428]

​@@Oli84-b6ethe terms can be nuanced. I think DSD is now more commonly referred to as Differences in Sex Development as it's less stigmatising than saying someone has a disorder. I believe it's personal to an individual whether they would want to be referred to as intersex or having a DSD. In my view everyone who thinks of themselves as intersex will have a DSD, but someone could have a DSD but not consider themselves intersex. It's a generalisation but I would consider intersex to be where chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic (genitalia) sex rather than differences such as a micropenis where it's still consistent with their sex.