John P. Meier: Jesus the Jew - But What Sort of Jew?

[@johanndominik2032]

J P Meier is just a shining example of a brilliant theologian. He is a devout Christian without becoming too biased towards the historical sources. At the same time, he is a rigorous scholar but without applying a secular worldview to the sources.

[@karelltulod3079]

God is good All The time Hallelujah Hallelujah Praise the Lord God Amen

[@marymaratty9117]

The Roman church were not the only people to remember Jesus. The monks in Tibet, India. The Muslims mention him as a prophet in the Koran.

[@peternospam342]

why do I feel like i just watched one long commercial for his books

[@paradiddle1]

Meier is in the top 5 must know scholars in Jesus studies...thanks for this post!!

[@tomkelly4336]

Along with Raymond Brown

[@mikeneighbors7759]

@@tomkelly4336 ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Qq

[@tomkelly4336]

@@mikeneighbors7759, I do find John Meir an excellent lecturer!

[@cassandraseven3478]

Outdone by Bertrand Comparet by far.

[@seankennedy4284]

What an excellent speaker is Mr. Meier. I had not heard of him or his work before, and now look forward to reading his Jesus the Marginal Jew.

[@anabarrios9474]

May he rest in peace 🕊️

[@HiDefJesus]

@Monies1899 In Meier's first book he deals with Josephus. Even after deleting potential Christian interpolations, it can be safely stated that this first-century source, independent of the four Gospels, confirms their basic presentation: that during the rule of Pontius Pilate there appeared on the Palestine religious scene a man named Jesus who had a reputation for wisdom and miracle working, who won a following, was crucified, and his followers not not abandon their devotion after this event.

[@Stupidityindex]

Utter Rubbish. There are no monuments in the archeology for 2 or 3 hundred years of the bogus history we have from the Jesus-lingo-cult. The Christian is given a pass for publicly insulting intelligence in suggesting progress is better made with one foot in fantasyland.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

The entirety is a Christian interpolation. Probably by Eusebius.

[@terryharris516]

He did not project himself as an Elijah like prophet,he ascribed that role to John the dunker.Jesus was new and a fullfillment of the Old.

[@JapanJohnny2012]

Yeah. That's the problem with KZbin. A lot of people are "all guns blazing" as their default position. I know I need to be more careful, and thoughtful in what I write and how I read and react to stuff.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

The Hebrew language in 1st century Palestine was used for scriptural and scholarly writings. The weekly synagogue readings of the Hebrew Bible were always accompanied with an Aramaic translation. These oral translations of the Hebrew selections to Aramaic would eventually be written down in the Targumim. The Gemara of the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud were written in Eastern (Babylonian) Aramaic.

[@darkprose]

He's incredibly charming and amusing in person. His books, too, have some charm, but it's more condensed here in person. Very nice. I just got his third volume for Christmas and have been enjoying it immensely. The project is a masterwork.

[@JapanJohnny2012]

Hi. I'm not a practicing Monotheist, but I feel it is possible to subject Jesus' central message to Socratic scrutiny. "Love thy neighbour, as thyself" is perfectly measurable in terms of, for example, effect.

[@jamesbarlow6423]

No it's actually immeasurable precisely as "effect"

[@goldengun9970]

Us orthodox jews (me, where i am coming from) certainly find christianoty to be extremely far from monotheist.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Agree, they sound like polytheists, act it out to... I grew up around these guys, they are into holy relics, not just Catholics... Shroudies, I was shocked to find out are a larger crowd among Protestants... Teraphim by any other name is still teraphim...

[@goldengun9970]

Once you worship a man. That is pure idolatry and opposes the Torah

[@moodyrick8503]

A far more important question than "what kind of Jew was Jesus", is _what denomination/version of Christianity would Jesus say is true?_

[@strugglinalong]

@Franknarfable So far I have no reason to doubt modern scholars. For me, Ehrman’s problem was his fundamentalist background and overall early view of the bible. Fundamentalists have a really hard time with modern scholasticism. Still, I appreciate your views and would still recommend Antioch and Rome by Brown and Meier. You will find it an interesting, good read.

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Ehrman, I consider a total fraud. I expect him to suddenly announce he is no longer an atheist, he has found Christ. His scholarship is weak.

[@marcus1nc]

The Torah does not speak about Heaven or Hell or Judgment Day in any direct or specific manner in the way Jesus spoke about these topics. None of the prophets up to Jesus spoke about these topics as He did. Furthermore, the emphasis in the Torah was not upon God's punishment of the individual's sou for sin or transgression, but upon the nation or people of Israel, the Hebrews, for not following God's laws. The prophets continued this point of view when they spoke about the punishment to the nation if the people did not follow God's laws. They did not give warnings of Eternal Damnation as punishment for individual transgressions. Jesus did include warnings about the nation, but His major thrust was based upon the horrors of Hell and the benefits of Heaven for those individuals who Loved God and Loved Other People. His point of view was a radical departure from normative Judaism because it wasn't based upon attitudes found in the Torah or prophets. Were these concepts to be found within the Roman or the Greek communities at the time Jesus lived? I don't think so, despite some allusions to Hades. But, hardly did any of these groups think seriously about the individual's soul being sent into Eternal Damnation for not loving one's fellow human being. It just wasn't part of their culture. So then, who were the closest groups if any to focus on the doctrine of Judgement Day for the individual soul based on its love of others? It turns out that this doctrine can be found in the Egyptian mythical legend of Osiris, the God of the Underworld, the Judge of the Dead, whose job it was to weigh the individual's heart on a scale, and if it were lighter than a feather, the person would be allowed to live and enter Heaven. If the heart were heavier than a feather, it would be devoured by Anubis, and the person would be annihilated. Osiris was also known as the god of life, death and rebirth. And he was associated with spring, the flooding of the Nile, and the planting and harvesting of new crops. He was also known as the god of resurrection, as well as the god of love. There is a strong connection between Jesus' central doctrines and the doctrines contained within the Egyptian myth of Osiris. How could He have learned of this myth and its doctrines? Perhaps it was during the time He and his family lived in Egypt that He came in contact with those who taught Him. Or, as he often said, He heard everything from God. Nevertheless, these central teachings about life, death, Judgement Day, Heaven and Hell, were not no had they ever been a part of the central doctrines of Judaism prior to or during His lifetime. Nor have these doctrines become a central doctrine of Judaism after His lifetime. Hence, Jesus may have been born to Jewish parents, but many of His central religious doctrines were far from being acceptable as normative parts of Judaism during His lifetime. Moreover, the ideas about the Judgment of the Soul on Judgment Day, and the soul being sent to Heaven or Hell, gained only limited appeal to some minor sects of Judaism after His death. For most practitioners of Judaism, death is a great mystery and has never been central to the religion, which has been and continues to be centered upon life as it is lived on Earth.

[@Joebunkyss1]

hell of a sentance.

[@dacon999]

daily morning prayers. HAMACHAZIR ' NESHAMOT LEFGAREEM METEEM.and 'OOBEN SHEYWHO BEN BEREET OOBEN WHEE,EY,NO' BEN BEREET OOMEEDEENAH SHEL GEHEENOM

[@JRobbySh]

As we get closer to the time of Jesus, purity becomes more and more a theme of personal purity. Even Jesus speaks of personal membership in the “kingdom” as being part of remnant of the Nation of Israel.

[@sonofyahweh8]

You have let very evil men deceive you. In approx. 600 BC the Jews were taken to Babylon. When they got to Babylon the Jews started calling upon their god Yahweh. The Babylonians did not KNOW the God Yahweh and said: YAH WHO." At this time the abominations called Rabbi's came into existence. The Rabbi's thought that the Babylonians were making fun of their GOD YAHWEH. The evil Rabbi's told the people they were not to say the NAME Yahweh ever again. The Babylonians were asking a question:" WHO is Yahweh. " This shows that all Rabbi's are children of the devil. After 70 years the Jews and the children of Israel came back to Yahweh's LAND. They had been forbidden from saying the CREATORS NAME for 70 years. On the appointed day Yahweh SENT His literal genetic SON Yahshua to declare His Fathers NAME. John 17: 26. THE JEWS hated Yahweh's SON Yahshua because He was saying the NAME Yahweh. The JEWS had HIDDEN the NAME of THE Creator Yahweh and to this very day The JEWS are forbidden from saying THE NAME of THE Creator Yahweh. In approx. 276 BC The JEWS translated the HEBREW scriptures into GREEK so they could REMOVE the NAME of THE Creator Yahweh. There were NO Christians before 320 AD. WHEN Christianity was invented the Christians translated the HEBREW scriptures into GREEK and REMOVED THE NAME of the Creator from the HEBREW scriptures and Added their PAGAN Greek god Iesous in the bible. The Christians and the JEWS are HIDING the NAME of THE Creator Yahweh. Approx 500 years ago the Christians CHANGED the name of their PAGAN god Iesous to Jesus. The entire scriptures were written in HEBREW. EVERYTHING that comes from the GREEK is the words from evil men. I say again:" THE JEWS and the Christians are HIDING THE NAME of the Creator Yahweh from the world. This shows that The Jews and Christians are in obedience to their father the devil. 1 John 3: 8. May THE Creator Yahweh give you understanding in these salvation scriptures. Heb. 12: 14. Bless you

[@houriaalgerie9288]

Why israelliens not spread religion ? Did prophetes enjoi not spread religion and take rights of peoples to usury ? Why they disbelive solomon is he spreading religion in india yemen africa ? What is their reaction from insist of jesus christ and christiens for spread religion for all all people ? Roman is a great emprore handrends religions why speshely christiens ? ......Will return

[@johnrigler8858]

My favorite passage of the Bible is the mother of James and John saying, "Stop burping like that or people will call you Sons of Thunder!"

[@vecumex9466]

If you don't like what John P Meier has to say about the historical Jesus don't watch it...Some of us will..

[@txterbug]

Amazing to put all of that into words

[@seamusbreathnach4952]

With professional Catholics one always gets the feeling of 'the game being up' but the three-card tricksters still hang around the circus looking for anyone who will listen...

[@yuutonosuri772]

That Catholicism lol 3 cards 3 secs to the one real (Christianity) go back to worshiping a murder Herod or the conquistadors Jew

[@Lahbreca]

There is a study conducted by Hammer et al. in 1999 concerning the DNA and ancestry of the Jews. This is what they found: "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East...

[@GBAusmeierAussie]

1. Koestler (born 1905 in budapest)does not belong in the 19th century 2. His theory is far from being disproved 3. Koestler, who published The Thirteenth Tribe in 1976, noted that the story of the Khazar empire would be called a hoax. Needless to say, the book has been difficult to find. It disappears from many library shelves. A check at the Library of Congress reveals that the most prestigious library of the US had only one reading copy. That one copy, however, is "missing from the shelf.

[@JapanJohnny2012]

'it's impossible to love strangers in the same way as loving yourself or family.' oh, i don't know - it's amazing what you can do, if you try. you don't have to be francis of assissi, to love thy neighbor. a couple of hours charity work, here and there counts, too. i don't know if you ever tried it, but i bet you felt good, for doing it, if you did :)

[@marymaratty9117]

They were never called Christians but the people of the way.

[@terryharris516]

Sadducees were the intelligensia,scribes,sophisticates, who were educated in the Greek language and Greek philosophies,Jews who no longer believed in the miracles of Moses, adhered to the Law of Moses but discounted the prophets,and dogmas of ancient Judaism,and life after death, even some disbelieved in God himself.Pharisees and sadducees always shown in such a way as to testify to the fact that Jesus was apposed by the faithful Jews and unfaithful alike.

[@AirSandFire]

Sadducees sound like nice poeple

[@GBP15]

This lecture is more about the lecturer's books than it is about the real Jesus. Like many professors today, this lecturer is obsessed with talking about his own self absorbed methodology as an academic. The lecturer's didactic claim that John the Baptist was the "mentor" of Jesus exemplifies the lecturer's presumptuous tendency to turn mere speculation into hollow and delusional assertion.

[@joemcgeady5025]

Mr, Metier reminds me of C S Lewis , humble and profound

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Wikipedia - "According to Josephus, the violence, which began at Caesarea in 66, was provoked by Greeks sacrificing birds in front of a local synagogue. The Roman garrison did not intervene and the long-standing Hellenistic and Jewish religious tensions took a downward spiral. In reaction, one of the Jewish Temple clerks ceased prayers and sacrifices for the Roman Emperor at the Temple. Protests over taxation joined the list of grievances."

[@strugglinalong]

@KapStuf No, the Septuigent was in distribution some 200 years before the birth of Jesus. It's original scribes were Hebrew scribes, not Greek translators. The obvious error I made above was to site Mark in stead of Matthew. No, the contention stands. The Alma/Parthenos "problem" is no real problem at all.

[@Lahbreca]

...descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora." According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."

[@MrDoremouse]

Love his answer to the question about Jesus and celibacy at around 1:16

[@worldview730]

Interesting, never heard it like this before 👍🙏😇

[@wiseguy10017]

12:48 The region thusly named by the Roman conquerors to alienate the people who were continuously living there for 2000 years before, not the Judaic nation's name proclaimed by the Israelites then, which was the same nation that Jesus called it, nor two thousand years later.

[@DBCisco]

According to real history and archeology, individuals in the Roman Province of Galilee were Hellenized Samaritans, not "Jews". While modern people think everyone in Palestine since day one were "Jews", they were NOT. Jews are from Judea and Judaism was the religion centered in Jerusalem. The Samaritans had their own Temple and centers of worship since 1500 BC and still do to this day (Although the nation called (falsely) Israel has almost exterminated them.)

[@strugglinalong]

No, John Meier is a Catholic Priest and professor of theology at Notre Dame.

[@GBAusmeierAussie]

Thank you for all your good work!

[@HundreadD]

Great lecture, John Meier's intellectual pedigree is highly convincing. KZbin commenters take note, your singular comments with no books or publications to your name do not convince anyone

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Which part of "bye by" did you not get?

[@jamesbarlow6423]

He seems to assume the gospels and acts are the authentic chronology of the course of events. The setting for a "Jesus" in Galilee may be a purely literary device, post 70 c.e.

[@sandergoldberg4508]

Jesus was celibate for the simple reason: he recognized his status as a MAMZER, who is prohibited from marrying a Jewish woman. As a strictly observant Jew, he would not violate the Law.

[@karentippets4285]

Too melodramatic in expression and mannerisms. It starts getting in the way of what he might be trying to see.

[@thesplendidgael3412]

Shut up.

[@karentippets4285]

@@thesplendidgael3412 You're welcome to take your own advice.

[@grasonicus]

I thought exactly the same. It's also too padded. It could be much, much shorter.

[@larryh175]

A very interesting speech.Meier demonstrates how Jesus fails to be labelled into the four categories scholars have tried to linked him with.This genius clearly defied categorization,such as these "silly" scholars have tried to do with Jesus,we might almost infer his divinity I think!!!!

[@terryharris516]

The resason it is hard to categorize Jesus is there was and is no " category" to which anyone could place Jesus into."My ways are not your ways,niether are my thoughts your thoughts, as the heavens are above the earth so are my ways above your ways,and my thoughts above your thoughts".

[@Joebunkyss1]

that is pure cult.

[@rjtexas7652]

Category.....MESSIAH....got it?

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

A "Judean Jew" can pray in Aramaic if he cannot read Hebrew. That's Jewish law. He can read the Hebrew Bible with the aid of an Aramaic targum (translation). See wikipedia - Targum . They are "paraphrases, explanations, and expansions that a rabbi would give in the common language. This became necessary near the end of the last century before the Christian era, as the common language was in transition and Hebrew was used for little more than schooling and worship."

[@angiebold2592]

Jesus , the Jew for all Occasions.

[@Gieszkanne]

To Jesus live time the term jew didnt even exist.

[@robertjones4662]

what ? lol...you sound slow ?

[@cassandraseven3478]

Just so. Yashua Judeans= Ioudaious No "j" till centuries later.

[@carbine090909]

01:14:36 The Shakers of the 19th & 20th century were celibate, and increased their numbers through adoption. It can be done, and humanely at that.

[@michaels4255]

Last I read there are only 2 shakers left.

[@peacelovedog]

@Inupiatun glad to see someone state this so clearly. When a christian says - "why don't you believe that Jesus is the messiah?" they mean why don't you believer that he is "God". But there is NO belief in Judaism that the messiah would be God - this is totally anti Jewish!!!!!!!!!

[@jeffersonianideal]

How devotedly Jewish was Jesus, according to New Testament scripture? Which specific Bible passages indicate a Jesus who did not fully associate, preach or live, accordingly to Jewish law?

[@grasonicus]

Jesus lived according to the Torah. He was hostile to the oral law, the darling of the Pharisees.

[@jeffersonianideal]

@@grasonicus Where's the historical evidence?

[@1330m]

1st century Israel = 21st century Korea You have to know that . Amazing historical events is taking place there

[@infinitequest0424]

It was stated that Jesus was not the Jews messiah.

[@goldengun9970]

He coupdnt have a worse resume for it. Us jews wish je ws the messiah. But rnach shows us that if anyone in history is not that is jesus.

[@jamelasante1082]

Great video

[@FrankenBosey]

Thank you for uploading this lecture. -f

[@seannadeburca5951]

Curious is anyone can tell me more about this...Did I hear him say that Jesus forbade fasting? Can someone clarify that? Surely, he just meant the specific Jewish fasts, since the New Testament often mentions fasting.

[@michaels4255]

St. Matthew 9:14-15

[@RPenta]

Actually Jesus consistantly confronted the corrupt Jewish establishment of His time-and for that He suffered death. Unfortunately, for His enemies, He did not stay dead.

[@wpankey57]

Dr. Meier's 'The Marginal Jew" is a magisterial work on the Historica Jesus and is a reference that is certainly a must-read.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Which part of Catholic priest didn't you get?

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@Zenithilos11]

So Jesus disagreed only once with the Saducees and many times with the Pharises, right? And never with the Essenes? Could Jesus have been a Saducee that lived with Essenes at some point in his life?

[@muhammadumer5263]

Book of acts ch. 2:22 Eiman of Israel listen to this "Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God, amongst you, by wonders and miracles, which God did by him and you are witness to it". Matthew 5:14. 26:39 Jesus fell on his face.... and prayed, Mark 12:28-30. Jesus answered....the first of commandments is, Hear O Israel: the lord our lord is One God. And thou shalt love lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and all thy mind and all thy strength. Luke 2:21, when he was eight days old he was circumcised and named Jesus by the angle, when he was in his mother's womb. John 5:7. For there are three that bear witness in heaven. The father, the word and Holy Ghost, and these are one. Matthew 19:16-19. Jesus:"why call me good, there is one good that is God". Matthew 5:17-20. Jesus said "I am come not to destroy but to fulfill....anyone who break one of the least commandments he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven...." Jesus said "....for the father is greater than I". John 14:28 "...my father, who has given them to me, is greater than all..." John 10:29 "I can of mine own self do nothing..." John 5:30 "... and the word which ye hear is not mine..." John 14:24 "... the father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak" John 12:49 "...even as the father said unto me, so I speak" John 12:50 Jesus said a prophecy about prophet Muhammad in John 16:12-14 " there are many things to say unto you but you can't bare them now, howbeith he, when the spirit of truth is come, he shall guide you on all truth, he shall no speak of himself, all that he hear he shall speak, he shall glorify me".

[@strugglinalong]

@Franknarfable Well I certainly appreciate your views. However, you must be aware that most scholars would disagree with you sharply in this matter. The common pseudographs of Paul, such as Timothy and Titus would be later "constructs" but Galatians and Romans are accepted as authentic. Dating Mark at 65-75AD is commonly accepted. Galatians could likely have been late 50's.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

Or afterwards, as the whole thing was an allegory created by the Spanish Jewish philosopher and poet, Judah Ha-Levi (ca 1075-1141).

[@strugglinalong]

@KapStuf The Alma/Betulah/Parthenos "problem" has never been a forefront issue because we have no documents to suggest that Hebrew scribes ever dicredited or debated Parthenos. It is a mountain out of a molehill. The real issue is the inclusion in the lineage of Mark and Luke. This particular "problem" is anything but.

[@goldengun9970]

Would of thought jesus's lineage would be a bigger problem. He can't be a priest or the messiah/king and can't be both at once and mechiEdek nonsense doesn't solve that either

[@LothairOfLorraine]

@peacelovedog Would you comment on Jer 31:31 and Isaiah 9:1-6. Do you see the potential for a new covenant with a divine birth at the center?

[@junevandermark952]

Christian theologians taught that Jesus was born perfect to a family of Jews that practiced only Judaism. So why does the Christian religion exist?

[@cassandraseven3478]

Those theologians were wrong. Jesus and his family were Essenes. The first followers were called followers of The Way.

[@junevandermark952]

@@cassandraseven3478 All stories in all religions were and are myths ... not to be believed as having occurred. "If Christianity is for everyone, why was it not from the beginning revealed to everyone?" The person asking the question, was a Native Indian, who placed high value on his own religious system of belief.

[@junevandermark952]

@@cassandraseven3478 Had Jesus existed, he would not have been a nice man. According to Christians, he was a traitor to Judaism, and he came to earth to warn the Jews that if they didn't convert to Christianity, their souls could not be saved. Adding to that mischief, Jesus would also have supported his father's will to reject most souls to eternal suffering in the afterlife. I was raised in a Christian culture, but I could never relate to the idea that Jesus was a model of morality. It's no wonder that the Jews did not believe that Jesus was "their" messiah. As a child, I couldn't even believe that he WAS a messiah.

[@junevandermark952]

@@cassandraseven3478 The story that a savior would materialize on earth, to save only Catholics, or Protestants, when the savior's father (Jehovah … within mythology) already said that the Jews were his chosen few ... is a very ridiculous story. And the story that Mary, Jesus' mother, became a Catholic saint, is even more ridiculous. Within theology, both Mary and Jesus would not have betrayed their Jewish family and heritage. The stories of gods and goddesses and sons of gods, of which there were many before the Jesus' myth, were all brought to life by nothing other than hallucination.

[@goldengun9970]

It exists because Paul was like hey Greek I got for you Judaism whoxhxi l kmow you kind of like but guess what no circumcision, no shabbat no laws. Best of both worlds. Except that was the character Paul who like the others is fiction of the Roman empire. And later Constantine and forced conversions and such

[@Complaintdesk]

Indeed Lahbreca, recent indisputable genetic research has clearly refuted the libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but descendants of the Kuzar tribe, a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence. Research has shown clear genetic kinship amongst Cohanim and direct lineage from a common ancestor.

[@rursus8354]

Too much overhead! We already know the New Testament. This isn't about the historical Jesus, this is about _"what if the Gospel of Mark is historically accurate?"_

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

So ... nobody felt the need to comment on the topic of Father John P. Meier's lecture, huh?

[@JapanJohnny2012]

Exactly. It's beyond just being a social instruction. It's a deeply psychological challenge. I'm sorry I've not explained my reasons for being interested in "Xtianity". I promise I'm not a god botherer, but I do find the whole story of how Judeo-Christian beliefs have impacted through the centuries on western thought, even in ways we don't immediately realise to be fascinating. I'm just a history nut, but you know the saying - "if we don't learn from history...."

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Trying to understand a people does not require apology

[@TheRobdarling]

The imaginary Jesus can be any kind of Jew you want. Not such a smart fellow who can't recognize fiction when they read it. That's how effective early childhood indoctrination can be.

[@TheAmazingamerica]

Maybe but that is why He insisted John baptise Him, so literally I guess He would be the first Christian? He baptised John. Either way, once they became Christian they gave up their Jewish identity. I will have to look up Justin Martyr.

[@RPenta]

If you bothered to read the Jewish Prophets, you will also see they often call for the chastisement of Israel by her enemies. Guess you missed that part.

[@Jespin58]

5:35 - charismatic religious leader 6:20 - disciple of John the Baptist He taught of God's kingdom and attracted followers. He convinced some people that he had expelled their demons or healed their sickness. He angered the high priest and the Roman government, leading to his death A prophet

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

And more, for the discerning body, soul, and spirit.

[@lucagaggioli8822]

Esiste la traduzione in italiano di questa lezione di Meier?

[@dreznik]

jesus and religion gets old. i am into the big pasta monster now.

[@armandoreyes5112]

Highly recommend.

[@914light]

Jesus was a Palestinian Israelite from Judea ... something like an Irish Catholic from America : ) that speaker is an odd ball

[@cassandraseven3478]

Definitely and that's putting it nicely.

[@Judel100]

@TheAmazingamerica Paul was the first Christian doctrinally. Justin Martyr was the first Christian to self-identify as one.

[@CarmineFragione]

Isaiah 11:6 "And a little child will lead them" Jesus is God from Heaven, come among His People as the Passover. A Lamb , not a proper Jew with a Jewish father, but taken in from the land, of Israel. A Lamb, taken in as "Only Son" Yachid or Kid. This Stranger came into the midst of the People and they adopted him , and the children followed Him, and He followed the children. But the day came to reject the Lamb, as not really a Jew, but meant for a meal to give life for a journey

[@Lahbreca]

Furthermore, Khazars are not a "Turko-Finn" nation. I am a Finn myself, and Finns are not at all related to the Turkish people, but belong to the Finno-Ugric people.

[@Jugglable]

I don't get it at all. This guy doubts the virgin birth and things like that. I can understand if you doubt that. But then why the heck would you be a PRIEST? Either those things happen, or your faith was founded on lies. If you believe the stories about Jesus are so made up, at least have some consistency and integrity and don't say you're a Christian.

[@marlenetalbott-green6815]

Either/Or. Either you "believe in the virgin birth and things like that," or your faith is founded on lies? Is that a logical conclusion following from your premises? "Don't say you're a Christian?" Really. Then who can stand?

[@ppfuchs]

What a brilliant guy. John Meier's class at Catholic University entitled Greco-Roman Background of the New Testament (or something like that) was the best class I took at Catholic University. It has given me a an insight into Albert Pike's great work Morals and Dogma. Would that most Catholic scholars had the style of this man.

[@Lahbreca]

Also, I'm not sure what your sources are, but there seems to be no real knowledge of the Khazars during 1st century B.C. The earliest mention that we get of them is in 454 after the fall of the Hunnic Attila Empire. Hunnish, Uyghurish and Transoxiana origin of the Khazars has been suggested, but it is not sensible to talk of the Khazars as a nation before this.

[@derekruairc334]

Slighty too arrogant and flippant for my liking. Colours his lecture. Still worth listening too.

[@strugglinalong]

@TheAmazingamerica May I suggest "Antioch and Rome". A closer hearing of this particular video should help dispel the notion that followers of Jesus, "gave up their Jeish identity". As I said in the other post, the competing views for what "Christianity" would become were many and varied. In the 1st century they were decidedly "Jewish" and it was not until after the fall of the temple and the loss of power coming from Jerusalem that the gentile movement becomes prominent.

[@JapanJohnny2012]

the golden rule predates 'love thy neighbour' by about five hundred years, not thousands. also, why is it any easier a proposition to live by, than 'love thy neighbour'? both merely involve making conscious choices. and, i can reel off as many organizations as you like, who base their work on jesus' teachings, but can you name any that base theirs on the golden rule?

[@TheAmazingamerica]

@TheLifeProLife I agree, pushing historical Jesus is not Christian.

[@sandergoldberg4508]

For a Torah scholar reading the NT, nothing Jesus preached is outside mainstream Talmudic teaching. For example, when Jesus preached against divorce, he was expressing the opinion of Bais Shamai. Of course, a generation before Jesus the Sanhedrin had voted to uphold the law of divorce in accordance to Bais Hillel and not Bais Shamai. Nevertheless, Jesus preached that he personally held the strict interpretation was more praiseworthy than the lenient interpretation of Bais Hillel. This was not unique. The great Rabbi Elazar argued on the status of a portable oven, even though the Sanhedrin had voted and determined the law. Due to the fact that he wouldn't concede, he was excommunicated. Interestingly, Rabbi Elazar was falsely accused of being a follower of Jesus, but was tried and exonerated. As Prof. Meier teaches, Jesus was born and died a totally observant Jew. What the good professor hasn't stated publicly, is that Jesus is in hell, suffering the torment and anguish for close to 2000 years, because Christians have been persecuting and murdering Jews in his name.

[@kenechukwuaniagboso4583]

Keep crying!!!!

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

An English translation of Josephus will do fine.

[@strugglinalong]

The competing views for what is "Christianity" in the middle and latter part of the 1st century make teh statement, "Paul was the first Christian doctrinaly" completely unworkable. This is why sholars like Ehrman can become so popular so quickly, the continued belief among many that Chirstianity is distinctly Pauline. It just goes to show the influence of Paul among Protestants. As regards Justin, a look at "Matthew" or Ignatius makes that statement dubious as well.

[@EliezerPennywhistler]

I HAVE read several books by Josephus. I did a word search to prove that he never mentioned your Nero heresy fantasy. And I notice that you have not cited any passage in Josephus, or given any link to anything that established your "point". Nor have you refuted Wikipedia - "According to Josephus, the violence was provoked by Greeks sacrificing birds in front of a local synagogue. The Roman garrison did not intervene." We are not talking about the Muslim World, either.

[@phil8888]

@jdeobeso who are you talking to?

[@virginiagillispie7177]

Very interesting; one distraction is that the region was not called "Palestine" then, was it? Isn't that the name Britain assigned to the region when they colonized it?

[@wizardatmath]

Jesus was not Jewish: 1. In his time, there were no Jews. There were Judeans, Samaritans, and other regionally defined tribes, and secterian groups. The religious term, Jew, is a later evolution, stemming from the Pharisee school, who merged their version of the Mosaic doctrine with the political identity of the kingdom of Judea. 2. He was born of his father, who was from Nazereth, a city in the kingdom of Israel, conquered not long before by the kingdom of Judea. Thus, you see, Jesus was not even Judean. 3. He was a self-declared Hebrew, an ethnic identity common to most if not all the region's native tribes. "Ivri anochi" he answered, when asked. Ivri - a designation which even today means Hebraic, not Jewish.

[@lepidoptera9337]

Ah, the local semantics scholar has appeared. Would you like a dictionary with that?

[@Steveorino123]

Jew is from Juda or Judean. As the dwindling tribes had become to be called.

[@wizardatmath]

@@Steveorino123 that is the etymology. But the Jewish religion is a religion, not an ethnicity or a tribe. It is more accurate to call us Hebrews, or Children of Abraham, for those who also follow the one God.

[@Makrania]

Did first century A.D. Palestinian Jews have a name for their religion?

[@cassandraseven3478]

Traditions of the elders. Jesus was always onto the Pharisees about it, said traditions of men made the Law and the prophets of no effect. Jesus was an Essene and the early followers were called followers of The Way.

[@goldengun9970]

It wasn't Palestine yet. Romans jdnt changed the e to petite and orthodox Jews like were called pharisrrs. Same people. Just different term used now

[@terryharris516]

illiterate? Jesus, a rabbi or rebbi,means teacher of the Law. And the first public act of reading from the torah in synagogue,from the book of Isiah.

[@jclev2491]

Your contention is anachronistic. While synagogues existed, Judaism was mainly a religion of sacrifice rather than prayer until the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 c.e.

[@seannadeburca5951]

@@jclev2491 Interesting. Can you tell me more? How did the average faithful Jew practice these sacrifices?

[@michaels4255]

Rabbi was used rather loosely in this period.

[@brucefetter]

he reminds me in his lecture style of Jaroslav Pelikan. Two greats.

[@JapanJohnny2012]

If you're looking for a fight with someone over organized religion you've come to the wrong fella. I can't stand it. Next question.

[@ygalg]

Aramaic was the franca lingua at that time hebrew was only used in prayers etc.

[@Jugglable]

@onceuponapriori I am curious about you. Are you a Christian? And do you disbelieve in the virgin birth?

[@briantisdall7852]

Let's hope Meier isn't silenced by his "supreme magisterium" as the late Fr. Raymond C. Brown was. Then and only then can we be assured Meier is truly a modern biblical scholar. and not just another Catholic scholar firmly kept under the Roman Curia's thumb.

[@JRobbySh]

Brown, like so many Biblical scholars, sees philology as a way of establishing their authority separate from that of the bishops.