Universal History: The Tower of Babel - with Richard Rohlin

[@JonathanPageau]

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[@kekistanipatriot1644]

HMNW is Khemenu is Shumnu and Hermopolis is Mercury and 100 other names as well. Kek is Kuk is Sus is Zues is Kush is Chus and Inchus too. John is Johanan, HoKhanan and Cannan too. HoKhanan is the son of Mary called Salome and he is HeruSalome called Jerusalem too. Salome is Selene HoKek is the messiah called JeSus and MeHoKek is the lawgiver called Moses too. Kekrops is Cecrops and of the ten tribes in Athens there are the E1b1b M78 subclade V13 Hamites called the Kekropis Tribe too. HM is Ham and Khem is Shem too The Ogdoad is the Ogdoas and the Oct Deus, "Eight Gods" of Khemenu. They travel from the watery abyss led by Nu Called Noah too. The Khananites are of Elephantine and Khnum And like the hegoat, MeHoKek has horns too. You have to understand the symbolism of Libre 70 by Crowley and the Cross of the Frog during the Berkeley Mardi Gras parade too. And you must understand the symbolism of Jeremiah 48:37 to know there are not tattered loincloths nor cuttings upon the hands for there are only clasped hands of prayer of the Tell Asmar hoard. Meras is South of Luxor and "From Meras" is HaMeras which is Sameras and the E1b1b1 V22 Kohenim are called Samaritans too.

[@CastanOpiu]

If the earth is flath the the Tower of Babel has a new meaning, especially if you know about the Shamir worm.

[@JimScaparotti]

Sad that I can’t attend, looking into the virtual event…

[@joemccarthy4270]

A very common symbol is of a sword being inserted in a anal canal? I know no one will ask where because they already know and they don't want to talk about it.

[@rainwatereric]

@JonathanPageau @RichardRoland I have Charlesworth Pseudepigrapha in my amazon cart, but I notice there is no Book of Jasher. Is there a good translation of Jasher you recommend?

[@barbararey-constantin5679]

Both of you are the dynamic duo. God bless you both.

[@TheDonovanMcCormick]

Stoked Richard has officially joined the team, love you guys conversations and the universal history series. Richard has an infectious sort of enthusiasm and spirit. God bless.

[@DerekJFiedler]

Epic conversation. Congrats on your well-deserved promotion to the SW Press. We'll be in touch ;)

[@emilymitchem9498]

Several of my dear friends from the church came across Orthodoxy through you. I had been wary of finding a politicized echo chamber as online spheres can often be, but finally decided to look you up and am very pleasantly surprised by insightful videos like this one, thank you

[@andreigl]

This is really good stuff, and I recognize as Orthodox Christian all of this symbolism in our worship. God bless you North American people

[@SocraticTroller]

I learn something each time I come back. I have came back at least 6 times.

[@theleastartic]

Watching a bit delayed on the rd (so not live-chatting) - still wanted to say exciting news about Richard joining Symbolic World Press 🎉

[@timmochama7712]

Great conversation.. One thing to note is that Spirit and Wind are synonymous in the Semitic languages (as well as others) which is why our spirit is the Breath of Life.

[@MrTimboman14]

Rûach

[@mariussielcken]

Satan is called the god of the power of the wind. He is the tempest and the wild seas. He is the punisher sent by God.

[@rexgloriae316]

Thanks for this, helps me understand typology better. Congrats on joining the team!

[@suzannahjames5264]

Thank very much for the Snow White book. It’s simply beautiful. 🌈⭐️✝️

[@ChristIsKingPhilosophy]

Abraham's saving of the seed is also related to Constantine's revelation "by this sign conquer". Altar comes before throne, but the throne is necessary to offer up its heart (filled in the spirit) to the altar.

[@lugohstsotofitness7817]

Love this 🔥 Thank you Jonathan! God bless you and your family 🙏🏼

[@jennytr5056]

Oh, I wish so much that we could make it to the Symbolic World conference! It would not be financially responsible right now - maybe in a few months we'll be in a place to get the recordings, God willing. Regardless, please know that our prayers are with you and with everyone who attends, that it may be a time of enlightenment of minds and hearts, and a joyful coming together for all. God bless!

[@GrantKeeny]

All the "scattering wind" talk that starts around 31:00, that is also what winnowing refers to (Matt. 3:12); The harvest is gathered from the floor and cast up to the heavens, exposing it to the Wind, which seizes the chaff and scatters it. Since folks around here also like chiasms, this is the parable/parabola/trajectory played out: an ascent to the heavens which incurs a separation, revealing the good fruit on the descent back down. Maybe this is old hat around here, but it seemed to be worth saying directly. Best regards, Grant

[@timothygannon1038]

That was an amazing beautiful and important conversation.

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

It actually gets started @ 11:06. You're welcome.

[@thecommontoad59]

Timely. Just watched Sam Tideman's talk with Vervaeke and I was struck by how the construction of AI, even by John's most optimistic lights, seemed more in the spirit of Babel than Christ.

[@michaelhixson6939]

Hence my fear, that AI will become the new idols, the new truth, and the new wisdom that large swathes of people will worship and become beguiled by.

[@charlescoult]

A lot of people today would call this conversation babble and while they may not say you're drunk, they'd definitely say you're crazy. They just don't have their ears and minds open to hear the words. Before putting in any effort to try and understand, they've already decided that what they believe or follow is right, and anything you say that contradicts that or even might contradict that, is wrong. Discourse never begins. Truth never gets a chance to rise to the surface and we drown in our falsehoods, the lies we tell ourselves and others and the confusion that arises from that.

[@sharbean]

Congratulations on the partnership. All the best for a productive and successful future.

[@felixwalne3494]

Very happy to have Richard on the team! Would like to see what stories bring :)

[@rainking50]

How can you not love these two? I need a gif of Richard's Holy Trickster faces @1:03:25

[@zachtrix8428]

One of the best episodes yet. Thank you!

[@zita-lein]

Love you two together!

[@matthewsheek8306]

Abram running barefoot between the split halves of a dove fascinated me even as a boy. Thank you for the insight. The creative must be divided to make the whole

[@lorettakoch7408]

Just starting a Bible in a year study. Wanted a good explanation of the tower of Babel. And Lo, J Pageau popped up!

[@silvinasi]

Re: Abraham and the crows...it gives a whole new depth to why it is mentioned in Genesis about Abraham sacrifice and his shooing the birds that wanted to eat it... I always thought that was a curious detail...

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Hey that actually makes a lot of sense. I also thought of connections with the parable of the sower, but your insight is intriguing.

[@matfejpatrusin4550]

Allow me to add an interesting Hungarian angle to this awesome discussion. Many of us believe that: - Nimrod is our ancestor (still today many people name their sons Nimrod) - Our language is the original language (similarly to the Albanians) - It has divine knowledge in it (and actually it does have a type of a symbolic system that confers deeper wisdom - this is confirmed by foreigners who obtained the language) - We are “the nation of the seed”, and even our own name (magyar) is related to this concept

[@brandonroberts13]

Thank you Thank you Thank you!

[@alyssabrugman8479]

I received my Snow White and it's absolutely beautiful.

[@MiguelOjedaJr]

Making a comment to save my spot @15:15 and come to the "focus". My youtube algorithm finally connected me with you all bravo. I'm excited on so many levels and front to subscribe and be a part of your community. I'll be back to finish this video later. Thanks for producing this video!

[@CameronCorless-yf9wt]

What are foundational lectures that provide a basic understanding of symbolism that I can watch in preparation to learning more advanced concepts/ideas?

[@TruthPerspecive]

The Philokalia is the best book to have symbolism explained. To have alot of things explained in ways you never imagined

[@OmoyeUduehi]

So happy to see Richard join Symbolic World Press. 🎉

[@AndyJarman]

The reason Babel is spelled with one middle 'b' is because it is pronounced bay-bell. A vowel followed by a single constanant followed by an 'e' changed the pronounciation of the vowel. Rout is pronounced rowt Whereas Route is pronounced root. The above example is a prime example of where semi literate tech workers have Christened something. A router (rowter) is a tool for chasing out timber to produce a groove. To rout (rowt) is used as a verb to describe chasing away an enemy in a battle. The tower of Babel would be spelled Bable or Babble if it were intended to be pronounced that way.

[@darrenpenley9601]

Can’t wait to be able to get all the books when the publishing house is fully operational.

[@lightoftabor]

Glory to God 🙏☦️💙

[@kevinc.8885]

Mr. Pageau, have you ever read Godel, Escher, Bach An Eternal Golden Braid? It explores everything that you talk about from the perspective of a mathematician. I would like more than anything to hear your thoughts on it.

[@KizaWittaker]

I just ordered this book.

[@kevinc.8885]

@@KizaWittaker it almost broke me. It's the hardest book I've ever read by a huge margin.

[@KizaWittaker]

@@kevinc.8885 Hard as in hard to read?

[@LKRaider]

Or philosophically hard?

[@ethanfleisher1910]

Can confirm. The book is absolutely bonkers

[@Fisherpriest]

I'm in Albania now visiting family. While no one I spoke to claimed Albanian was the Adamic language, I did get to visit a beautiful Orthodox monastery in Gjirokaster.

[@notloki3377]

This came at a very synchronous time. I've been processing a lot of thoughts about plato, through the lens of the contrast of Karl Popper and Julius Evola. Basically, two people in the 20th century who had very antithetical takes on what the structure of authority was and should be. I'm really looking forward to this talk, thank you for all that you do.

[@sirifimay]

"Awkward Christmases" 😂😂 Bro, they didn't even know what Christmas was 🤣🤣🤣 BTW, this whole conversation was absolutely fascinating!

[@MatthiasPendragon]

Enjoying the video, but it is deeply frustrating to be told, "You gotta come to the conference," when even the virtual ticket is over $100. Will the talks at the conference eventually be put online for us who can't afford it?

[@matthewkilbride1669]

And of course most people have to fly there, get a hotel, rent a car... I’m not naive about expenses, but does make you wonder what the whole point really is. It’s not a business conference.

[@MatthiasPendragon]

@matthewkilbride1669 It's the fact that the virtual option is $150 bucks that gets me. I would happily pay $50 to see it all streamed, but I can't grasp how they did the math to price the virtual tickets. But who knows who actually determines the prices for these things. I have never ran a conference, so I imagine there are aspects I don't grasp.

[@LKRaider]

Maybe the higher price allows some interaction? I would pay less for later access for viewing only.

[@bodenschatz10]

Wow. How has it never occurred to me that the Great Commission is a holy scattering, a corrective flip of Babel. A brilliant insight, gentlemen. Perhaps this is less accessible to us midwestern US protestants, but what an amazing truth I've been missing.

[@JacobDanielSouchak]

This is probably the best

[@pirnack]

Thanks for this! By the way, Pentecost was observed not "in the upper room", but in The Place - the Temple. Reread the Scripture and enjoy the new meaning of how God's people were visited!

[@giffica]

Wow just published my book on nephilim, nimrod, the Tower of Babel and a historical analysis. This is a great symbolic companion.

[@yuiopoli9601]

What's the name of your book?

[@Jimmy2toes4u]

What’s the title please

[@giffica]

@@yuiopoli9601 ​ Ehhh wasn't trying to shill it but it's called Table of Nation's Nimrod. I'm publishing the content on my Table of Nations Substack for free though over the coming months, so feel free to subscribe there instead, or just read that to see if you like the content.

[@yuiopoli9601]

@denisematteau How can you tell?

[@giffica]

@@Jimmy2toes4u Replied in another comment but it's called "Table of Nations: Nimrod", part of a broader series on the subject

[@Thelaughingpreacher]

So awesome! I find it so interesting that the universal language at the center of the tower has been rediscovered by chatGPT. The Ai models have figured out that everything is language.

[@grouchywithoutcoffee]

"The wind" also represents Hesiod's idea of Ouranos.

[@BazedPhilosophy]

Awesome stream.

[@pauldeceglie6914]

When are you guys going to do a reprint of all these awesome books?

[@chdao]

In Guatemala where I live, we often call a light bulb a "foco",

[@Theonysius]

I wanna talk to you about the specific dimensions/measurements. There are accepted and rigorous approaches to Jewish mysticism-that said, as a listener of yours and an analogical thinker (I can be a bit oblique), I have several different ideas, with modern maybe some implications (maybe not). I am now headed full bore into studying what I can on Hebrew numerology, merkevah, hechalot, and Kabbalah more generally to integrate into my Judaism and love of philosophy. That said, I don’t expect a response, but I couldn’t help myself from constructing a surely abstruse preamble to what would’ve been an otherwise polite and normative “thank you” comment, but I’ll redouble on gratitude with all the more vigour in my embarrassing disclosure-thank you, thank you both truly, for you are doing work that is Good.

[@joshmcminn5168]

Where can I read more thoroughly the ideas Richard is discussing at 17:16 surrounding the transformation of Chronos into Kairos and space into place in the liturgy?

[@AmyMaris]

Wow. I don’t even know how to think about this. But thinking of Jesus’ parable of the wheat being sown among the weeds. And the angels will be sent to pluck out the bad ones.

[@mythologicalmyth]

RR historiographer in the house!

[@htttppppp]

I don`t get why is it called zigurat if it was spiral? It might be helpful for viewers like myself to have this distinction clarified in future discussions. Plus,I found the video challenging to follow so to improve coherence, maybe a focus could be on organizing the key points in a logical sequence (more or less) and providing context for each point mentioned. While I appreciate the inclusion of links for further exploration, I often find myself short on time to check everything out and fully grasp the context. I value the opportunity to learn from your content, and I believe providing context within the video itself would greatly enhance the learning experience for viewers. Of course, these are just suggestions, and I understand if you prefer to keep your videos as they are.

[@felixwalne3494]

I think they were saying that symbolically the spiral and zigurat are the same, not that the tower was both :)

[@khadenpettingill6210]

Will Rohlin's talk be released after the conference anywhere? Can I purchase access to his talk individually without buying a virtual ticket? I ask cause I am learning all these things at a slow pace, (I'm not Orthodox) I am digesting one thing at a time. Not ready to consume everything at once. I want to explore more deeply what is being discussed here.

[@zlabyte]

Jewish people and proselytes were "gathered" from all over the known world in Jerusalem for the feast of Shavuot, a feast of ingathering. The wind of the Ruach came and then scattered them back out to the four corners of the world to spread the Message that they had received from the apostles.

[@MrTimboman14]

"the victors not only write the history, they also reproduce the texts."

[@KizaWittaker]

Nothing will be beyond them = Nothing will be CUT “OFF” from them, in Hebrew.

[@alexandraelhardt9767]

Did you KNOW the first seed drill we have knowledge of was invented in Mesopotamia in 2000 BC? Totally Abraham facing the crows.

[@choseyfrozey1562]

If you buy a ticket for the summit, can you watch the livestream afterwards ?

[@ButterBobBriggs]

I bought one and yes, you get to watch during and after the conference.

[@traceyedson9652]

Spirit / drunkenness referred to: also, Ephesians 5:19 : “be not drunk with wine but [drunk on] the Spirit,” though contra our charismatic friends who take this in a materialistic manner (i.e. Toronto Blessing). Also, psalm 22/23, “Your cup inebriates me as though most potent.”

[@missh1774]

This was a cool teaser

[@calebcreates8555]

Richard's humor is crafty

[@mr.kingathomephys.ed.7295]

Do you think the raven story and the parable of the 4 soils is connected.

[@WheezyLobo]

Air is related to the intellect which is used to dissect things and understand them. Could it be an interpretation that the move from the spiritual into the intellectual was what caused "the fall"? Similarly to Adam's fall, caused by knowing?

[@TrustedHands-s3s]

Interesting point!

[@eduardomira6326]

Gods Dog Volume 1, when is it going to be available again?

[@davido3026]

When God in his infinite intelligence and mercy, thought fitting, he decided to bring the scattered humankind back to him, so he founded the catholic church which on its birth the 12 Apostles and disciples spoke all the known languages in the ancient world! The church was born Catholic by birth, purpose, and mission, which she carries out to this day since 33DC!!!

[@joelenemcdonald9366]

Berg (mountain) in Afrikaans also means to contain as a verb.

[@rylewx]

I got 6 mins in and they were still having a business/marketing meeting

[@chief_tobias_]

Abraham and the crows, St. Patrick battling Crom Cruach in the form of a swarm of crows, St. Kevin and the Blackbird. I wonder what the symbolic connection is? 🤔

[@Alexander_Isen]

The Cross really is everywhere

[@anthonygoodman48]

Prometheus steals the holy fire from Olympus... But then it is used to offer sacrifice, that pleases the Gods. Interesting the connections in the mass and Pentecost. We offer up to God using the eternal fire that comes down and this raises our thoughts to heaven... Just brainstorming here its late in Aus....

[@anthonygoodman48]

Lots of mind blowing stuff here and I'm not even drunk.

[@myfyrioleremiticus]

15:40 icon feng shui

[@mccameralt8535]

Dear Jonathan Pageau, How could I contact you with regards to your trip to Lithuania? You have fans here. I am one. It is quite exciting that you MIGHT come to Lithuania.

[@ChrishBlake]

15:49 Dr Seuss says, “think of light, think of bright, think of stairs in the night.”

[@yearzero7025]

And for those of us that couldn’t come to the conference bc we’re working 5 states away?

[@prettycatlick4373]

Shame Dr Heiser never did the rounds with this Little Corner. Mike was pressing this stuff out decades ago.

[@dionysis_]

It may be fitting to say that religions, when they lose their way, are also 'towers'. They are certainly different languages and humanity is confused because they think only their language is the real one. Then, if the language is confused for the spiritual reality they become idols.

[@troyhavok8605]

It just of occurred to me that Genesis starts with Pentecost. Genesis 1:1-2 (NET) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was without shape and empty, and darkness was over the surface of the watery deep, but the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the water. Spirit and Wind are the same word. Then the Word separates and creates order from the waters. Amazing.

[@jorgegomes83]

Does this book of Jubilees say anything about Melchisedec?

[@user-Elhmhehghcjhchw]

IN CHRIST JESUS OF BETHLEHEM AMEN

[@mattvalentine7094]

Where can I buy a copy of “Snow White…”?

[@W-G]

Day 2 on the virtual page says day 3 schedule needs fixing ?

[@Stadtpark90]

21:45 Lucky Ethiopians! 😊

[@MarcInTbilisi]

That Albanian thing, Armenians also have this. They insist, for example, that the Georgian language was created by an Armenian or Christ was Armenian, etc.

[@WeTheLittlePeople]

Unfortunately, there is no current Biblical Scholar who has pinpointed the exact archeological site for the Tower of Babel, or figuring out who Nimrod was, or figuring out the language aspect. But what if it does exist, and there are answers. And what happens if its not merely a fable or symbolic and can tell a lot more than what is represented?

[@Joan-ph2es]

Richard, (in your new role) I sent a message from the online conference site on Friday re: having challenges to pay online. (Won't take my card that I use everywhere online, no matter what I do.) Will you be checking on the Contact Us messages soon? I have a message there. I know you're very busy, but I'd like to participate in the online version, if possible. Thanks for any help you can provide.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

I also had trouble with one card, but tried a different one and it took it. Try a different card, it's worth a try anyway.

[@silverback7348]

34 minutes - the linguistic fall - the loss of the true knowledge/love of God through the loss of the Hebrew Language…this is what I want to see expanded upon through modern ideological capture in the West.

[@sunrhyze]

I got to be the thumbs up that took the total from 999 to 1K, so that was fun 🎉

[@keeperofthedomus7654]

Does anyone else skip the preview because you don't want spoilers? 😂

[@protestanttoorthodox3625]

❤

[@TheSymbolicUniverse]

🎉🎉

[@fauxshowyo]

would be cool if you hooked up with someone like Eric July since he's his own publisher and distro for comics and all.

[@twelfthhour]

I am all for reading apocrypha but also be careful not to put them on the same level as canon. It can get confusing.

[@MatthewKleinsmith]

The Tower of Babel was a failed incarnation, like Samson? A tabernacle with a blemish, rejected by God, like Cain's sacrifice? The wind did come, but the tower couldn't host it?

[@kanenas9607]

Two towers came down One tower came up Everyone argued Nobody noticed

[@tretaylor1230]

Wooow

[@fritzco55]

The 7 feasts started with "Abraham"... or you could say they started with Jesus. He is the unleavened (sinless) bread He is the Passover He is our Atonement He is the tabernacle not made with hands He manifested in the Spirit through the Pentecost after the feast of weeks (7 weeks * 7 days then leads to - Jubilee or forgiveness). He will manifest through the feast of trumpets in the rapture. He is the first fruits among brethren. Now... this is fun... let's go back to Abraham. Do you remember what two items the King of Salem, without beginning or end of days, brought him?

[@ElonMuskrat-my8jy]

The rapture is a heresy created less than 200 years ago.

[@minakoaino3917]

@18:30 a 3 minute add break with such overly dramatic music the whole time is a bit much