How Victimizing Idols is Ruining K-Pop

[@elisabeth73]

Two things that ruins kpop. 1. Victimization. 2. Overpraising.

[@senshi2279]

This is so true. I'm done with people shitting one group and praising the other that has the same issue. If it's, it's bad...

[@aloisartemiyevich]

REAL

[@rubiirae]

Those behaviors mainly exist in loser fans who are anti-social, with borderline personality disorder, no friends, and want to live vicariously through their kpop idols. Sometimes people just need to stop reproducing if they can't properly raise their kids to be decent human beings, garbage in, garbage out.

[@moon_kissed1]

You forgot Payola

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

Fans just need to get over themselves

[@oOohio]

FINALLY someone is speaking to those “fans”

[@Haerindiva_33]

So true

[@vixxexo6855]

I saw some comments under Le Sserafim praising their vocals. People really said nonsense like they sound just like CD.

[@urhypeboy]

Fans? You mean 90% of kpopies, right? 😂😂😂

[@heartzy_ayumi]

I literally suffered from those fans, Im never saying anything again. They are so obssesed thinking their idol is superior but idols are humans who also make mistakes

[@Fearless.cat1209]

The real problem with kpop stans is that they take idols for literal Gods and put them on a pedestal. That's actually encouraged by labels who train idols from the start to look "flawless and single" so that the fans see them as the perfect boyfriends. The more fans gatekeep them, the more they buy merch, albums and concert tickets. Nobody is perfect. It's all just planned by the label and idols from the start to make profit. Labels don't even care if fans become toxic. As long as they buy, it's fine for them

[@coachrj]

Parasocial relationships is the business model of Kpop.

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

That's the problem and I hate it. Needs to stop in 2024. It's become a toxic nightmare

[@Emilia089]

You can't stop that business model, it's basically what they live for in order to stop that model the whole industry would have to reformat from the ground up.

[@Da_W1ck]

True.. things like bubble messages etc just feeding these delusional fanatics that forgot they just getting farmed for money.

[@siddhampatil1901]

K-pop is not music industry, it's more lookism and simping based industry Most of the so called fans are simps and build parasocial relationship(personal experience 💀💀) with idols and daydream all day, wasting time and money Casual fans, who just want music, don't care how the idol is sitting, eating and walking, they just listen favourite music, they don't even give shit even if the group is in downfall It's a well planned strategy and these lonely simps say "xyz group saved my life"😱😱

[@urhypeboy]

Yep, just look at those girlfriend stans of Enhypen for example. It's just sad.

[@_____134]

i’m an army, yet i dislike a ton of bts songs. but you won’t catch me saying what i don’t like cause i would be crucified

[@Da_W1ck]

Fr.. it's like they considered their fav as god and worship them 24/7. Whenever someone say anything that's not a praise it's considered a sin and shall be crucified.

[@_____134]

@@joeblack3623 army is a fandom name related to bts’ name and original concept. that being said, i wouldn’t care if they wore full drag, i like the messages in their songs and most of their melodies. plus, i’m a quėer woman, and policing masc v fem gender expression (from your example: fandom name vs band appearance) would be asinine and hypocritical

[@jennifervaughn1541]

Well, I’ll say it. I am army also I love BTS and every member but to be honest I did not like RM’s indigo project. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it either.. I felt bad because I know he worked so hard on it and spent a lot of time writing some of those songs. Yet there are some army that tries to make us feel bad because we didn’t get behind him and support him and make his project like a number one or something.. I’m sorry, but it wasn’t that good. I love RM and I think he is talented but it just wasn’t that great to me.

[@jennifervaughn1541]

@@joeblack3623 well it’s just entertainment industry. For one even in Hollywood actors wear make up for their job.. second it is the South Korean culture to do so or so I have heard for their jobs. I don’t know where you’re from but in the American culture it is not common for men to wear make up unless you are in the entertainment industry.

[@adelaflores2027]

I think that’s one of the oddest things to crucify a fan for. Not putting 100/100 for every song in their fav artist discography. Like it’s a normal thing to not like every single thing of something. That’s like telling someone they’re not an actual fan of pizza because they dislike deep dish pizza. You would look stupid saying that to someone out in the world.

[@micah459]

Whoever owns those protest trucks is making bank 😂

[@universe986]

lool

[@ParnaKumar-j5y]

It could be a very successful business model...

[@harrisb5506]

I’m not being antagonistic by asking this question, I’m genuinely curious, but have protest trucks ever succeeded in bringing change to any situation throughout K-Pop history?

[@universe986]

@@harrisb5506 yes

[@love_hw4ng11]

@@harrisb5506probably not, if so, not that i’ve heard of.

[@hancuddle]

Everything is so insane at the moment in kpop..

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

Right no one likes the fans of kpop 😂people clown kpop

[@Department_of_Justice]

Knets are the real problem. All they ever do is complain.

[@twinkincarnate]

@@Theinfamouskiki411i love kpop, but the fans make it really difficult to want to connect with others, who also enjoy kpop. it’s so exhausting dealing with these people. like bro, i just wanna vibe, why are we cussing each other out and sending each other 💀 thr**ts ?? (youtube will literally delete anything i say so i have to edit my words 😒)

[@3h33_xy]

Right

[@urhypeboy]

​@@twinkincarnateI thought I'm the only one who got my comments deleted by youtube all the time lol

[@xoxo_sandra]

"Try singing while dancing yourself" Bish im not getting paid for performing. I didnt got trained for years and its the minimum a idol job. Sorry but if they can't sing with a stable vocal while dancing then its time for them to retire

[@destinydunmore4555]

Thank you 👏

[@Da_W1ck]

True.. but if they say this, doesn't that means they agreed that their fav was bad?😂

[@hivelsword]

accept they won't. Meanwhile, you were never a fan. Never bought any of their albums. So you're opinion means nothing. Meanwhile they gained fans while at Coachella. All across their social media. So yeah, not retiring.

[@xoxo_sandra]

@@hivelsword i didnt even mentioned any particular group gurl

[@aornivamasood9606]

@@hivelsword lol, the original poster didn't talk about your fav. but if the shoe fits, it fits. and btw, i have the right to criticise them if i contribute to their KZbin, Apple Music or Spotify views too.

[@DiyaAhmed-fq8dp]

Sulli and Hara were talented they recieved hate because of dating scandals and private lives.

[@MistyMaize]

Yeah noticed they always bring up their deaths bcuz of bullying and trying to compare this to critics of these new idols singing or dancing

[@urhypeboy]

​@tywndbish if idols aren't supposed to be talented then what's the point 🤦‍♂ Most criticisms towards idols are valid, grow up.

[@nanda_]

AND misoginy!

[@DiyaAhmed-fq8dp]

@tywnd same ?!!!! Have you ever been around at their time ?!! Sulli couldn't breath without being a scandal she literally couldn't breath. The criticism that idols these days get because of their voices is because they don't even acknowledge to try to get better. I am not saying they deserve the hate but they should reconsider getting better with actual criticism not the over one.

[@lie-t992]

And they need to stop using groups and fanbases as shields. HYBE,STOP USING BTS AS A DEFENSE MECHANISM.

[@Department_of_Justice]

U can stop whining and get a life too.

[@sanazamir8341]

This

[@kuju2315]

True

[@Imme_begin]

Leave BTS out of this!

[@VirgoINFP]

I hope BTS can start their own company 🥺

[@WeepingValkyrie]

Swifties also fall victim to this mentality

[@urhypeboy]

Fr, they be acting like Taylor is a goddess

[@spectral__]

Legit, like her behaviors are nothing to idolize. They make for good song lyrics, but she's absolutely not the kind of person who should be put on a pedestal. She's said as much herself, but fans have selective hearing/reading.

[@LuiLuiVill]

So trueeeee

[@Zixth8]

Bro, they're a cult fr

[@wiseversa135]

agreed, swifties behave like a cult, some of them are weirdly obssessed with taylor, but have you seen any hate Taylor Swift gets? just search candace owens Taylor Swift or ben shapiro Taylor Swift. you'll know there are adult podcasters hating on her openly, you can imagine what other online commentators which are 10x worse are doing. Taylor is average at vocals, she's a great performer, her stage presence is nice, and she produces and writes all her songs. she said her first priority is song writing. but people still compare her to great vocalist like beyonce, mariah, which is sad! its like comparing gidle and aespa and calling idle untalented for not having vocals like aespa.

[@StitchloverQ]

Now i can see why people say Hybe is ruining kpop😢 Big 3 yg jyp and sm

[@ubermenschzarathustra862]

their girl groups only, nwjs is the best ig but compare to jyp n yg, theyre still lacking a lot

[@Stephanielaury]

😂😂 kpop was already ruined

[@BELIEVER78989]

Only jealous kpopies say that😂😂

[@StitchloverQ]

@@BELIEVER78989 I'm not jealous they Really are I can see why people just say big 3 yg jyp and sm

[@Fearless.cat1209]

​​@@ubermenschzarathustra862even their bg, I mean they're okay but other labels vocals are better Hybe focuses more on visuals and dance (which is also good)

[@eliskalangerova3332]

It always gets me mad when some of the fans feel entitled enough to dictate idol's lives. Got one comeback a year or idols take a break? Not enough promotions! Multiple comebacks? They're overworked! Idols having a vape from time to time? How dare they! Yet there are literall drinking shows and nobody bats an eye. And don't even get me F-ing started on dating. Some fans claim how supportive of their favourite idol they are but once the idol is dating (or just accused of it) the fans send protest trucks demanding apology and departure of that idol from the company, like WHAT?! Seriously some people should get a hobby and get TF out of the internet. Idols are humans too. Not machines and CERTAINLY NOT some god-damn FANTASIES to feed fans! PS: Sorry this always gets me heated. PS2: English is not my first language, please bear with me...

[@Gemstones1000]

But everything u said about idols being fantasies at the whims and commands of fans is exactly how they're marketed tho....its thanks to the advent of social media we are just seeing in real time how dangerous a strategy this is on these people.

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

​@@Gemstones1000where are they marketed like that? Where? Who has said this? That's a cultural thing not anywhere is that said

[@Future_Expat]

This is spot on! They're so controlling and weird. I can't imagine being mad 24/7 like that

[@nehalilisays]

Korea is one of those countries that are very hypocritical about alcohol. An idol's career can be over if they are caught with any type of illegal drug (basically never happens to Western artists) - but getting drunk on camera? No biggie. Many people have to drink with their boss after work anyway.

[@urhypeboy]

Idols were never meant to be treated the same way as normal ppl tho. Grow up.

[@CARL_093]

some kpop idols accept criticism so they can improved there performance but few do not accept criticism for them is being victimized by there fans or hate

[@SamEricLlort]

Like Sakura started barking on her Instagram that she did her best. That was obviously a lie, when we clearly know Le Sserafim had such a garbage performance.

[@whiteRiceSupremacist]

@@SamEricLlortyou just proved the point of this video 😂 only hate not criticism. You could have said that without the derogatory remarks.

[@niconiconick]

​@@SamEricLlortBut what you just said wasn't criticism but hate. You're not helping anything

[@hafizishakhafiz7624]

Sakura shade😂😂

[@wiinnnn___]

​@@SamEricLlort13 years experience!🔥💀💅🏻

[@vinasingstheverses]

I remember Ive's encore from their debut song eleven being criticized for the bad vocals yet they improved so much since then, they kept practicing and it was so encouraging to see

[@essykall9]

I will forever speak my heart out about mistakes done by idols, be it my faves. Idols should know their mistakes but not through insulting or trolling them but rather in a descent way because they're human beings too ,giving them mental breakdowns. It's not necessary at all.

[@coffee_jelly7452]

Thissss. Amen.

[@Imme_begin]

Why do you feel it necessary to “speak your heart out about mistakes”? How would you feel by your speaking compounded by thousands? It’s not the same as one or two respected people giving feedback. That’s not feed back. That is a need to be important. They don’t need your opinion broadcasted to the world for others to join in on. It’s socks believe me, they know when they give a bad performance. The problem with what you are saying you will always do, is it invites those who DO hate the idol to speak hate. It’s not healthy. It’s not okay.

[@essykall9]

@Imme_begin I don't hold any entitlement towards idols, be it my faves ,but if he or she does something unknowingly, definitely i will speak but won't troll them . Tell me why i shouldn't say something, yet i buy albums, subscribe to their accounts etc??

[@niconiconick]

​@@Imme_beginthen that's not their fault, that's the haters.

[@TheRyno525]

@@essykall9 What makes you think they ever see anything you say? all you are doing is grouping yourself into the thousands that don't have your good intentions. You think Idols have the time to read thousands of comments everyday? No

[@abcdef-kf3my]

And fyi Sulli and Hara didn’t receive hate because of lack of talent but other personal matters so don’t you ever use them for trivial things like this… RIP Sulli and Hara😔😔😔

[@hadrianhexe9603]

Bullying is still fucking bullying you weirdo.

[@lv4056]

I agree and disagree. A lot of people present "constructive criticism" as straight up hate. Yes, hate is a necessary part of life but it's not a synonym of criticism. Constructive criticism is "hey "?", you're really bad at A, B, C, maybe you should do X, Y, Z to improve" not "they're so trash/how do they have fans" etc. Overpraising is also a big problem. People praise some of these idols like literal GODS and when they make the slightest HUMANE mishap they're immediately "dragged" by the same people who used to praise them. Overpraising also leads to some idols having a "God-Complex" which allows them to think that they can do anything without retaliation from their fans or other fan-bases. Somi spoke about it openly saying something like "I felt like I deserved everything and demanded everything" and she's not even close to the level of a lot of soloists like her, let alone some groups so if she used to feel that way just imagine how some "bigger" idols must feel? Said this a million times, if you're a fan just listen to the music, enjoy the side-content (vlogs, behind the scenes and what not) if you're feeling drawn towards the personalities of the idols/whatever artists you like, if you got the necessary funds to buy an album/merch/concert ticket, go ahead but don't put anyone on a pedestal, we don't know the people they truly are when the cameras are turned off (long ahh comment but if anyone changes their perspective towards the artists they look up to, it's worth the read).

[@Department_of_Justice]

They can opt to NOT listen instead of whining or offering criticism nobody asked for.

[@lv4056]

@@Department_of_Justice 99/100 artists will never ask for criticism. The ones who see it rarely adjust to their fans demands. Most artists found their working formula and will stick to it until they retire or until they decline, that's when they'll actually listen. If you go through life without acknowledging your weaknesses, you'll end up falling at one point or another. Even worse, there's people who acknowledge them and never do anything about it.

[@hadrianhexe9603]

@@lv4056 Let them fail then, you don't need to insert yourself into shit.

[@TheRyno525]

@@lv4056 What makes people who don't sing, dance, perform on stage, or do anything related to music believe it's their duty to say anything or be taken serious? To most people it just looks like untalented entitled fans who think their opinion is the correct and only opinion that matter.

[@fearnot_jeans]

No... a lot of people give constructive criticism, but we're being silenced. That's the truth. When fans learn to stop seeing hate everywhere and give a platform to haters and stop banning people for giving an opinion, you'll see that no one is really hating. And the one who hate are the one who had their faves compared for too long and waited the good moments to clap back. Lesserafim got sugarcoated, praised for 2 years, and during Coachella, we didn't see the "Sakura improve better than X idols." "Yunjin outsings every 4th gen vocalist" "Yunjin is an opera singer" and now we're seeing Coachella. Why did feranot bullied everyone? And why are they giving a platform to haters and not actual concerned fans that they call haters...

[@jeongyeonwife]

No because this is damn true!

[@urhypeboy]

Yes

[@preetitripathi4422]

I'm your big fan

[@chiChi-ij1zb]

I feel like it takes effort from both sides the idol and the company the idol knows what they need to improve on the company is the one with the resources and the connections.

[@raginiswain4686]

Wow this week in kpop is a mess.

[@staywithskzzzzzzzz]

Ikrr

[@33satya]

Fr

[@Dope_Bunny]

Fr

[@AnAdultKpopFan]

I think the saddest part of this is the fact that criticism is always turned into hate. Let me explain: K-pop fans will spew their hate and hateful antics, but then hide behind the valid criticism to justify their behaviour. It's gross and it's unfortunately way too common. If one person gives criticism, you're right, they will be called a hater or others will result to insults such as "your favs are flops" and so on, but in the case of LSFM and ILLIT for example, there was SO much criticism because... well we couldn't pretend that they were indeed doing a good job. But all that criticism has changed into nothing but hate and it's easy for companies to ignore the real criticism and focus on the hate as a way to gain sympathy.

[@timeless1882]

I'm still pissed off to this day about the amount of hate that Jennie got for having her solo debut first. She literally was the test subject, which she herself have said, and didn't even get 2 songs at that compared to the other girls. Solo stans are the main reasons why I hate interacting in the Kpop community, especially with how they keep putting other members down, when the same idol they are stanning don't even approve of their behavior.

[@monellin8274]

The problem is, that the companies would rather not do anything bc those "Fans" still pump money into their pockets. so sad

[@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan]

I had to fake liking smoothie just so NCTzens don't attack me , it bothered me how I had to br like ''oh I didn't like it first but now it's better '' or ''it grew on me'' or whatever else , Plss ma'am I'm just a fan I didn't sign my life for these people

[@ollcf-canarejoalyssan.5111]

Two ruins kpop 1. Payola 2.visual comes first

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

Well then don't be a fan. That has gone on in the industry in America since the 50s. So what

[@ollcf-canarejoalyssan.5111]

@@Theinfamouskiki411 chill I’m just stating my opinion if u don’t want my saying skip it easy And beside it’s kpop not some western pop i know it because I’ve been into kpop since 2009-2010s long before bts born in the scene since 2nd generation of kpop and I know things change drastically because kpop company blinded by money when kpop been introduced globally And so what ?? Damn the word blinded by looks than the music so what indeed what a classic phrase ❤️

[@SnapMonster8]

That said, can't deny the fact that Hitman Bang make good musics though

[@ollcf-canarejoalyssan.5111]

@@SnapMonster8 can’t deny that

[@ollcf-canarejoalyssan.5111]

@@SnapMonster8 not just that them make good music tho sm and others

[@ze_us9247]

What you said is exactly true. I have seen Wonyoung's fan complaining that SSE overworked her but at the same time complain that she does not have individual schedule like shows where she could appear in. I mean like some fans can never be happy

[@B.A.R.E.2]

Criticism of K-pop is a common occurrence, with fans and outsiders alike often voicing their opinions on various aspects of the genre. Some of the most common criticisms include the industry's emphasis on image and aesthetic perfection, as well as the pressure put on idols to maintain a certain look and persona. Critics also point out the prevalence of plagiarism and cultural appropriation in K-pop, with some artists being accused of copying the music and style of other artists without giving proper credit. Additionally, there are concerns about the intense training and exploitation of young idols, as well as the lack of mental health support in the industry. Despite the criticisms, K-pop continues to gain popularity worldwide, with many fans appreciating the catchy music, impressive dance routines, and elaborate music videos. Ultimately, like any form of entertainment, K-pop is not without its flaws, but it is up to fans and artists to navigate and address these criticisms in a constructive way.

[@Imme_begin]

The plagiarism and copying thing in KPop is the most ridiculous, bizarre thing I have ever witnessed. The fact that people honestly think that people can’t do similar things, wear similar clothes or hairstyles is CRAZY! There are only so many things groups can do. Trends and fads get copied. Music evolves by inspiration from others. You have bought into an ideology that has no merit. If people thought this way in the ‘60’s, 70’s, 80’s, etc… we would missed so much good music. Every group with long hair, drums, a guitarist and singers would be worried about the other groups who look to much like them. Do you not see how utterly ridiculous it would sound when they are that is? Should the first hair band have thrown a fit and said no one else to have long hair because it hey own that look? How about you? Why did you dress the way you do? Better watch out. You are copying other people! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Groups don’t get big because of “concepts”. That is stupid. They get big because they reach an audience that identifies with them, loves their music, dancing, personalities, etc. This stealing concepts is a shield for “I’m not as big as them so this is the excuse I am going use”. They aren’t as big because they didn’t reach as many people that identifies with them. Period. Groups should focus on their music and ignore the others. Fans should do the same. They should support the ones they identify with and ignore the others. There is no sense in hating people because they are more successful than others. What does it matter what other groups do. If your group does their job well enough, they will have fans. They don’t have to be in competition with the others and want them destroyed. Do you see how that is and e¥il way that way too many fans think? I’m not saying you think that way. I don’t know you.

[@B.A.R.E.2]

@@Imme_begin It's important to remember that inspiration and copying are not the same thing. It's natural for artists to be influenced by others and to draw inspiration from different sources. Music is a form of art that constantly evolves and builds upon previous work. Ultimately, what matters most is the genuine connection that a group has with their audience and the quality of their music. Comparing and competing with other groups only takes away from the enjoyment of the music industry as a whole. As fans, it's important to support the artists we love and appreciate their unique talents and contributions to the industry.

[@likhwezititus]

yesss this!! we should still call out harassment and bullying but constructive criticism is a must for people to grow and learn sometimes i do wonder if the professionals who work with these idols actually give them hard honest feedback.

[@RavarsenBlogspot]

When companies had challenging training routine, ppl were like ma girls will diiieeee, stop it. They stopped it and now all that remains is mediocrity

[@nehalilisays]

They don't even need to "work hard" to become good performers or songwriters. They just have to practice effectively on a regular basis for a couple of years. Give them good teachers, nutritious food and decent sleep and the talented ones will shine.

[@tiredbylife.5589]

As an Ahgase, when we did the protest trucks for GOT7, we had valid reasons. I remember how other fandoms were mocking us over this. Nowadays, seeing many use the trucks in a trivial way at times kinda feels annoying. Not every issue needs a protest truck.

[@Hanny08.y]

Wait why did u guys send them a protest truck?

[@gabdongipark]

If we were less emotional about kpop, we will all live a better life. People feel triggered by idols breathing atp and whenever people say anything this start a war. By the way this is one of the best written video you've made.

[@KelseyJ_22]

It sucks but it's the truth. The K-pop industry prioritizes visuals because the best looking members are always the most popular, even when other talented members can dance, sing, and rap circles around them.

[@yeahboii6896]

The sad thing is kpop isn't about talent anymore,it focuses on visuals mostly,stripping away opportunities for actually talented people.The idols job is to sing and dance if they can't do that they aren't ready to debut.Fans don't realise once they step on stage they aren't considered trainees anymore.Many non singers can even sing more in tunr than idols.There r so many people that can be better at the idols job than them,but they will never get the chance.

[@mr.jimmazing8905]

The sad thing is, this is how kpop fans have always been. They think their hateful comments = criticism which isn't the case. It's just gotten waaaaay worse in the recent years.

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

They are hateful

[@II_II555]

​@@Theinfamouskiki411not every one is

[@sensoine]

Vice versa though

[@AS-rg5wc]

exactly... it's always been like that. it's just that now, there's more people who listen to k-pop and it's really big on the internet

[@mullenjames1]

Actually from a hype insider revealed hype has no vocal trainers and if they don’t develop skills fast enough they will end contracts.

[@slicerys]

Even when you are complimenting you get backlash. Once i wrote that someone was a great dancer, and a 'fan' dissed me because 'great' adjective was not enough 🤣.

[@sensoine]

You have to say the best 😂😂😂

[@MistyMaize]

Most of them are children don't think too hard about it

[@delia8162]

Loool or when you praise one member because they stand out in a certain area and then they comment ThEY'rE aLL amAZinG, like god forbid you don't praise the whole group at all times 🙄

[@SHEHRA859]

​@delia8162 😂😂😂😂😂 That's soooooo true

[@Forever_Carat976]

God....these online English professors are getting too worked up innit😂😂😂

[@Kevin-vc3jf]

some fans are infantilizing their idols.. despite their clear shortcomings and wrong doings.. recently there are some idols who are trying to make a come back despite being involved in immoral some even criminal acts. This is only made possible due to fans excusing their behavior and actions.

[@Arohee_123]

I agree !! This is no more the K pop I remember. This is no more the world which I was comfortable with, where I was happy to be😔🙏

[@Sakadayumi]

I dont know why people in these days think: Talent Kpop idol who are able to sing, talk about depression, challenge with new concept for new comeback but they dont have pretty face ↓ BAD KPOP ARTIST, THEY WILL BRING "DIRTY" EDUCATIONS TO CHILDREN. Pretty plastic surgery innocent face dancing with a lot of aegyo wink to parasocial between fans but bad singing ↓ OMG, THEY ARE REALLY TALENT I DONT KNOW WHY PEOPLE CRITICIZE MY BABY!? THESE PEOPLE MUST BE JEALOUS ON MY BIAS, WE MUST PROTECT THE KPOP IDOL OUT FROM CRITICISM!!

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

The point ots just entertainment not life or death. Don't like a group don't listen to them. Move on

[@Crumblesforefer]

I'm so glad someone is actually doing something for this o called hate

[@Mira-sarah]

Someone needed to say this at some point

[@lilliebobson3146]

I said this about XG during one of their many comebacks. Their fans ate me up but were so delusional about it. I merely said they needed more time to work on their live performance. The du,mb fans took it as an insult.

[@tremorheart7649]

Lack vocal skill ruins kpop

[@Shave1t1]

Honestly, constructive critizism should always be fine, but for minors, who‘s mental strength is still debeloping, constant and constant critizism can also be harmful… they often times already know and for someone going through puberty this can end severely. Pls give them time to develop

[@whiteRiceSupremacist]

Fans will always be like: - Actively hate idols that they don't like ✅ - Just shut up ❌

[@exe-dx8yi]

One of the reasons why people looks down on kpop and kpop fans.

[@joan6325]

People need to stop saying that ILLIT is the victim too when HYBE literally bought their no. 1 in so many shows. They got all the glory and get paid for it and you call them the victim???

[@annecollins1106]

And what about the many idols who are ACTUALLY being harassed with meaningless and useless hatred??? Isn’t this just giving them an excuse to keep taunting idols online?

[@kuju2315]

Amazing facts - in k-pop talents doesn't matter ,only a pretty face. K-pop ( Korean pop) standards are so low. It's embarrassing to watch

[@SamEricLlort]

Some of the talentless idols don’t even have a pretty face. Just look at Eunchae, Wonhee and newjeans below average looks.

[@vicc0002]

being a kpop fan for quite some time, I'm just disappointed on what it has come to be, and it doesn't mean I'm a hater or anything. Kpop just doesn't feel right anymore.

[@mamastay164]

Le Sserafim was really bad. I don't watch them anymore, it's that simple.

[@jiyashaikh84204]

Same

[@Hellokitty_391]

Their songs and visuals help them

[@charmelgrant3871]

Your opinion, mine they we really amazing wasn't boring like most girl groups

[@scallywags666]

If I have to choose between for instance Babymonster and Le Sserafim id choose Le Sserafim. Their music is at least 10x better than Babymonster imho.

[@PlatyMadness]

This is actually the best way to tell the companies they are doing something wrong.

[@hwaiting_sunshine]

Let's be real, le sserafim's only weakness is their bad vocals which should have been improved till now, so fans complaining & criticizing them for poor performance on such a big platform while representing k-pop is totally valid.

[@tiredbylife.5589]

Their only weakness confuses MD given that they are from SouMo who debuted Gfriend...like I thought that SouMu would've kept a level of standards.

[@II_II555]

Fr korean netizens said they are embarasse by lsf's performance in coachella cuz they were representing kpop industry

[@Rosieee65]

FINALLY SOMEONE SPOKE ABOUT IT. I get that sometimes idols are the vicitims but people victimize idols a lot even if its their fault. People need to accept it instead of always acting like their idols are the vicitms or acting like they are babies

[@preciouslyunhinged]

This is so trueeeee..finally the reality of how I see things too as a multi stan..I do agree with this video

[@believemaleba7194]

I feel like a lot of people don't understand that not holding your favs accountable is NOT respecting them. You're treating them like babies when they're grown adults.

[@BakaKageyamaBaka]

In this case, I give full props to the fandom of Seventeen- Carats. I have seen their comments, and damn, they don't hold back. I think it was the 'Ready to Love' comeback where I saw Carats being really critical of the video. They loved the song, which they expressed as well, but they also spoke out about being unsatisfied with the MV (except for the 'rainy' bit at the end). It was all very well structured. Constructive criticism at its best. Carats have also torn into Pledis multiple times over several issues with their idols. I also admire the relationship between Seventeen and Carats. I have seen so many videos where both just go at each other, for fun, of course. It's not the usual "oh-I-love-everything-my-idols-do-they-are flawless" or "we-cant-breathe-without-our-beloved-fans" charade. Also, Seventeen does a very good job at keeping their fans grounded and delulu-free. I am very fascinated by this relationship. :)

[@shreyajiya9277]

They always reminds us to take our anti delulu pills on time😂.But jokes aside the hardwork svt put in their performance and music is clearly visible.They are in this industry for about 9 years and still perform their debut era song with so much passion.Because of svt I can't accept the excuse that kpop idols can't sing because of choreo.

[@exe-dx8yi]

​@@shreyajiya9277Bruh I even saw a comment when someone compares lesserafim Coachella with Ateez and said Ateez can sing no problem while dancing, and one fearnot said lesserafim are girls as an excuse.. like wtf??

[@arasong]

Salute for you @kookielit ..speak louder to those fans💅

[@rajriyaj5464]

It's just hybe who ruining kpop They made so many level under hybe without any understanding of talents Other company rarely have a level or one Bt hybe just want money by making more levels that's it

[@Harborough1]

Truth

[@PlatyMadness]

All companies exist to make money. They are just providing what fans want.

[@rajriyaj5464]

@@PlatyMadness lol they are not debuting any group they just making sub level and letting them debut without any concern that's not hybe won group And no other company have that many sub level

[@PlatyMadness]

@@rajriyaj5464 The goal is to make money. Nothing else matters.

[@zibbitybibbitybop]

People have no goddamn concept of moderation. You're allowed to criticize someone if you a) provide valid proof, and b) do it politely, but generally those things barely exist on the internet. Instead you get a nonsensical war between people who spend all day flaming and fans who get so overly defensive that they won't acknowledge even valid criticism. This is why I don't get involved with this crap if I can avoid it.

[@jd4ddy195]

Also to add onto shindong on not having any lines. He admitted to knowing bros that he thought super junior would disband after a couple months because that was the plan, so he asked for no lines at all and jokingly said he screwed himself over after they became a permanent group

[@Hahahaha10188]

I remembered he said it in knowing bros as he wanted to be a entertainer not a singer which he asked for no parts since is a temporary group just like NCT but failed because the fans protest not to change any members of super junior 😅😅 then after that song ‘sorry sorry’, ‘bonanan’ and Mr simple he sang only ‘Dan, Dan, Daran, Dan’ and Heechul said u got the most parts by singing that 😂😂

[@sunsan5840]

Lesserafim will not improve because they cant sing singing is a talent you cant have it with improving

[@TdotAntiordinary]

disagree, singing can DEFINITELY be trained.

[@trbktrbl]

Of the 3 members that can't sing I think E and K can definitely develop at least stable vocals with enough training, the other one has had 13 years on her belt and her voice is probably messed up from her bad technique.. she looks like she's about to cry with a 1 second line so maybe it will be most difficult for her. Either way Hybe is a shitty company for not training them vocally and sending them to these big events

[@jasonlui]

I see more than often videos of negativity putting groups or a particular idols down which does not help the matter but fuel more hate or negativity. We need to be mindful in what were posting ...yes idols and groups are not perfect. Some are better than others and that will always be that way. The same in any pop industry whether it be british, american or european.

[@abcdef-kf3my]

You know why people jump into criticising some groups more than others?? It’s because their hype,achievements don’t add up to their talents so obviously fans of talented Kpop groups would be pointing out where the flaw is… especially when Kpop is under scrutiny for payola,music show/award show bribery, brand deals bribery,plagiarism, sasaegi etc.

[@sooniemeow5809]

5:53 & onwards, i’m so agree! fr let the idols themselves deal with company..

[@YouknowMimisParplaveOr]

Please DO NOT drag New Jeans into this

[@WhippedForJeonJungkook]

Over criticism is hate and thats what these fans do with every little thing to do with idols. They love to hate everything, Idols do their best, they give their all, but they can always improve because they are not perfect, they are human with strengths and weaknesses. These types of fans are not supportive, they love to build their idols up, then tear them down at every given opportunity

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

All they do.is hate everything

[@sereyhuot5811]

@@shiningjustice3387international fans are nicer when they give the feedback words compare to Korean fans …

[@KNDYdesu]

This is very interesting, because once upon a time, KOOKIELIT used to stand up against negativity in KPOP. While there were times of criticism, they would also turn things around with a negative towards toxic fandom. But not sure what happened to the KOOKIELIT we once knew. They became part of that toxicity. Of the last 12 videos, how many times have they used Sakura's image? Banking on toxicity. It's all for clicks and this "victimizing idols is ruining K-POP". You've joined the darkside KOOKIELIT and are a big part of that toxicity.

[@jackietang3789]

Almost like they’re justifying harassing LSF online and that they condone it

[@Hahahaha10188]

But it’s the truth 😂😂

[@BELIEVER78989]

​@@jackietang3789true asf

[@jackietang3789]

@@Hahahaha10188 but it’s never okay to harass celebrities online especially sending them death threats or SA threats just because you didn’t like something from them or something they were in, like can you imagine having to deal with people threatening to kill you online or SA you online 24/7 without any breaks in between?

[@shazaza1]

Tbh with so many girl group debuting I hadn’t paid much attention to Babymonster. I just watched their live performance and WOW I’m impressed!! Their vocals are strong, amazing compared to recent live performances of other groups. Big respect for them and I will be watching their next move!

[@ubermenschzarathustra862]

they have a lot of potentials esp for western market, might be future BP but vibe wise, I like nwjs more even tho their stage performance (lol competition) aren't as good as bm

[@allyssaearly-mccullom4964]

Part of it is not having enough experience and understanding of technical skills to create a constructive criticism. If a person knows something is bad but has no clue how to fix it they’ll blatantly say how bad they are. The real reason is the need for fandoms to crush other artists because they don’t want competition for their idols. And when their bias is honest about their frustration within the fandom it’s a slap to the face to them. Like they literally feel entitled to their idols success as if they created them. This is where parasocial relationship gets too far.

[@BTS_STRAYKIDS_ontop]

I remember when stays sent protest trucks to JYPE for Channies room to happen again and chan scolded them. At the same time stays are the ones who made Channies room to get cancelled for assuming about what he said about idols not being respectful to older idols. I mean genuinely kpop fans act like obsessive girlfriends but when an idol does one mistake it's let's make them suffer. Hyunjin and Felix got distant after fans decided it was up to them, how their relationship towards each other is like yet those very same fans are the ones saying we want hyunlix back. About the Le Sserafim performance they lack at singing basic notes yet fans will always support them, they were not able to sing so constructive criticism is ok it's not hate it's just people who actually have ears hear that they were not able to sing properly and don't be using the they were dancing and that is what idols are trained for so learn that hate and constructive criticism is not one and the same, it's 2 different things. The hate train that Wonyoung and Jennie is forced, fans hate them for the silliest things ever. Back to the bad vocals thing some so called fans gave shit to Jimin for not being able to sing at music core, I mean I get it, it was not the best performance he has ever done but some of yall gave him shit for not being able to sing but if the same thing happens to your faves it's a thing of being nervous or they are dancing. Jimin may not have been able to hold some notes and music core but he has proven time and time again that he is a good performer and it seems like that went over some people's heads

[@Kororozinhouw]

The thing that ruins anything is people.

[@yasminchan7425]

I honestly much much prefer the time where members they were amazing at the position they were given and average or even below average in the two other categories or great at two but bad in the 3rd one(Like a "main vocalist" would ACTUALLY have main vocalist vocals, main rapper would be amazing rapper but just average or below average vocalist) I would much rather have that than "all rounders" that are just above average or "good enough" at all 3 positions

[@redflamelcd]

YG has no idea what you talking about

[@Arielaarmy-k7i]

Yg is at the core of these from the start of the big 3

[@trentonpower1823]

YG stans are weird as fuck

[@YGSnB]

YG got talent but their music is trash 😂 anybody can sing shitty song

[@Arcticos0]

I don’t even like Kpop like that, but I cannot watch any video without someone commenting YG supremacy 😂 the problem there isn’t the company, it’s the fans

[@II_II555]

Nah yg really trains their artists each Blackpink and Babymonster members (chiquita and pharita) have more than 4 years of training. Imagine whole 4 years just training

[@casualsuede]

Whatever happened to liking a group or a singer based on who they were rather than trying to change them? My favorite groups were not the best singers or even the best musicians (I like more rock and synth) or had the best stage presence, but I would never tell them to get better. Idols should not be treated as performance monkeys but as artists.

[@Theinfamouskiki411]

THIS! THIS YESSS

[@SnapMonster8]

This is normal in K-pop 😅 The haters are actually rival fans 😂 K-pop stans feel threaten when rival groups are more famous than the groups they're supporting

[@sensoine]

It’s different though, some of the level of singing I’ve seen recent issues are on the level of those survival show’s people make funny compilations with

[@renxiu3564]

most Chinese fans rent protest truck the most.. if you go to their forum it's always feels like they're contesting on whose group can place the trucks first.. they are the most obsessive fans out there, they think they're doing great things but they only crossing the line..

[@sensoine]

I thought their the only one

[@jeniffersastre]

This is a video every k-pop fan need to see.

[@Fearless.cat1209]

The real problem with kpop stans is that they take idols for literal Gods and put them on a pedestal. That's actually encouraged by labels who train idols from the start to look "flawless and single" so that the fans see them as the perfect boyfriends. The more fans gatekeep them, the more they buy merch, albums and concert tickets. Nobody is perfect. It's all just planned by the label and idols from the start to make profit. Labels don't even care if fans become toxic. As long as they buy, it's fine for them

[@pratyushpavansaikia8161]

Imagine if Dua Lipa's fans have cried when her performance were trolled, she wouldn't have become the performer she is today

[@mylovechoerry2233]

Spill 😂

[@Idontwantanat]

I think the issue is that people actively seek out the mean comments because genuine criticism is difficult to vilify. Take le sserafim for example, they’ve offended religions, and they are objectively not good performers but it’s difficult to negate the obvious seek out the comments who are actually insulting them to turn something that should honestly be career-ending if unaddressed and transform it into a marketing tool, “these poor girlies get hate and it’s totes just hate and nothing worth reevaluating, they’re such cool underdogs”. Also reminder that Hara and Sulli were bullied for being SAd and mentally ill respectively, not for being bad performers, it’s pretty disrespectful to compare them and use them as just another tool in this petty fandom BS.

[@Lowkey-hi-key-delulu]

I'm a huge fan of Le Sserafim and Illit who received criticism lately and they're definitely talented in their own ways but some of their performances were more than lacking, if fans are not the people who are going voice out their opinions about these topics then who else? People should understand the difference b/w constructive criticism and hate.

[@nicatine]

As someone who went through this phase, let hope these young people I'm assuming are below 17 will just grow out of their immaturity and realize they were the problem all along.

[@UnosofManila]

Criticism is not hate. While that is true, many, particularly the ones aimed at Le Sserafim and ILLIT recently, are indeed hate comments masked as constructive criticism. You can't simply ignore that fact. They don't want them to improve, they just outright enjoy spewing malicious comment. They are even often brought up in discussions that are unrelated to them. There is a threshold for what constitutes constructive criticism, and the overwhelming number of hate comments they receive certainly surpasses it. Given that the feedback has already reached the members, this is a time when they need support more than ever, yet I feel you chose to discourage those with this video. Maybe you should review what is constructive criticism and what is hate. Because I refuse to call the mass of hate comments as constructive criticism. If the goal is to elevate the standard of K-POP, it would be better to support and promote groups that meet your standards. Hate comments are completely unnecessary.

[@srisumarni2147]

I really love how you describe kpop for 1st to early 3 gen 😳👍🙏 Everything in your video REALLY WOWW 😘💪

[@Jusdepommerose]

Imo being critical of a group's vocal abilities is already way more fair than speculating about their dating lives or their diets... The LS case is actually a relevant topic that SHOULD be acknowledged by kpop fans and kpop companies. Claiming everyone who has something bad to say about this is a brainless hater will not make any progress.

[@katarinabluu-y]

Criticism shouldn’t be considered bullying and bullying shouldn’t be considered criticism

[@grec.]

Saying "Jennie is lazy" can even make anyone be viewd as a m*nster 😅 I'm a VIPStay and let me tell you, the way that particular idol has made a career without doing much is mostly due to these type of fans. Because GD was performing with an ankle injury for almost 5 years (that doesn't make him a hero or anything, just someone who was negligent about prioritizing his health over work) and Felix made it through the whole MANIAC era with a back injury (promo, dance practices, concerts, fanmeetings...) and always gave his 1000%. But dare someone say Jennie should up her game, there will always be a trope of her fans victimize her giving the absurdist of excuses such as "she has a wrist injure", "her eyelid was hit by a feather last night"... etc... 😅

[@sensoine]

I understand that not every idols have strong vocals but the level of singing we got in recent issues are comparable to those survival shows where they make a compilation of bad auditions and performances Also reminder that the company is to blame

[@sensoine]

The fans makes all the excuses in the world, it’s really the first time I’ve seen a weak vocal lineup in kpop history Also reminder that the company is to blame for this

[@Athena_208]

Fans should know the difference between hate and criticism. I hate the para social relationship between idols and fans it’s dangerous.

[@amyam3710]

Girl you ate this up

[@NordicWingz]

The way fans handle this kind of subject should be more realistic. Even in our daily lives, there is a difference between constructive criticism and hate. We learn how to constructively criticize in school, at work, to our friends. It’s all about the delivery and the words being used. Methods like a “compliment sandwich” are often helpful. Not being hurtful, but encouraging. Yet still giving a person ways they can improve and pointing out what may have been a better choice. It’s difficult for true hate, bullying, dogpiling, callousness and degrading word choice to be taken seriously when every fair review and respectful opinion is bundled together as hate.

[@redpasta-p6b]

Some are overhyped and when they do not meet common basic standards it looks so disappointing and bad.

[@nebvlae]

True. Stop babying idols. Most of them are adults and know what they're doing

[@hirumonihazarika7667]

Lets b honest, thats how kpop is going for so long. Both parties are taking advantages, this is not about fans only. Its obvious as an idol people expect their vocal is good. Theres nothing wrong when you choose a path, you need improvement. Its for everyone

[@tiredbylife.5589]

Thank you for the Sulli and Hara segment. Because, it is true that some people are using them without even realizing just how horrible their respective situation was.

[@ethanchasejackson]

It’s a drink

[@LauraMalfoy2011]

This video makes some pretty good points but I should note that a lot of the criticism thrown towards Sulli also started as constructive before it turned vicious. People generally lack common sense, particularly online.

[@ltrileys]

Once I commented that Ahyeon should apologize for using Nword and her fans said I was jealous of her success and talent lmao.

[@tralala3997]

I love the caption. Finally someone said it 😆😆

[@ninklpvg8740]

This is why, the 1st gen (well few) and 2nd gen and 3rd gen were the prime examples of what 4th, and now 5th; should have been working on. Back in their heyday, music professionals and choreographers would beat them and scold them until they got every detail right from vocals to choreography… It was when people noticed them and today it was what got them to be icons and legends. Much respect for 1st gen, 2nd, and 3rd. The rest has it (easy peasy) with the whole constructive criticism and the (”do not touch me”) situation. Honestly don't mind the constructive feedback unless it is true but if it is a downright hate crime; expect the unexpected from the 4th and 5th gen fanbases. And on a side note, there are two female groups from the 4th or 5th gen that can sing and that is [KISS]…(something) and [Purple Kiss] a replica of [MAMAMOO]-for men; [ATEEZ] and (I don’t know about the 5th gen)… That is a prime example of a lack of stability in the profession. The corporations got to pick it up from where the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd were able to accomplish. Otherwise, people will be bored with the (”prettiest concept”)-

[@Department_of_Justice]

Let's not pretend this channel isn't part of the problem.