The REAL V4 Vs The Pretender! | MT-10 VS Tuono

The Yamaha MT-10 SP cross plane engine produces power which feels very similar to a V4! So we decided to compare it directly with one of the best motorcycle engines on the planet, the Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory!!
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[@paulboulanger00]

As 23 Tuono Factory owner, it’s my first bike that’s not a Japanese I4, and it’s amazing. It has so much character and so fun to ride. The Aprilia V4 sounds are unmatched it’s absolutely amazing.

[@dalemeadows225]

The sound of that Tuono ❤

[@n22pdf]

The looks of the MT10 have grown on me a little :) great comparison guys.. Pete

[@jimpanzer07]

The SP version actually looks pretty good, fantastic street machine!

[@LickyDischarge]

I’ve owned an MT10 and loved it, but for me my current 2017 Tuono factory feels more special and racy. Safe to say I enjoyed this video 😁😁

[@575ban]

I still think the 2017 Aprilia 1100 Tuono Factory is the best looking Tuono ever built. Just stunning, and it sounds just 😍❤️

[@AndreiOBK]

I am blessed to have both bikes now LOL and I cannot tell which one I like more. I like the MT-10 SP more for how comfortable it is. But the Tuono is simply a beast.

[@frankfeng6199]

Almost same, went with an rsv4 and mt10sp, canyons/track and city

[@Nsimy1]

Tuono everyday of the week for me, sold mine last year and genuinely miss it. Saying that the Mt10 is growing on me slowly. Aprilia's biggest issue is dealer network or lack of. Either one and youd be happy.

[@exa4003]

To me, as an MT-10 owner, the Aprilia V4 is the best sounding bike on the market. But a decatted MT-10 is a very close 2nd.

[@ritfloyd]

I think the pretender aka MT-10/R1 sounds just as good as a V4 and sounds like a little V8 with a decat exhaust. From experience the cross plane engine is a bit smoother. Having said all that, both bikes are superb!

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah I agree 👍

[@juicy9592]

Dude just thank you for your videos man. I love it. Always a good 15 min of feeling good and I can dream about bikes. Thanks man for chearing me up.❤

[@LambChopRides]

Glad you like them Juicy 👍

[@davidellis2021]

I'm glad you added subtitles for Womble because his accent is quite strong. Good video!

[@garrytab4362]

Enjoyed that.Nice one mate 👍

[@RideTheTrack]

this must have been a tough one to edit with all the cameras and audio lol. Great video chops!

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah it was actually, thanks for noticing 😁👍

[@DLewisMoto]

After watching a ton of reviews including yours (several times, I might add), I picked up a 2023 Ducati Streetfighter V4 SP2 and I absolutly love it, this thing slays!

[@robinsmiggy3884]

Decat and decent can on the MT and there’s not much in it sound wise. Two of the best sounds in motorcycling.

[@VState60]

Agreed 🎉🎉

[@fud1376]

Already got the kettle on...Ha..!.And that Aprillia in those colours.....WOW...What a nice bike..!

[@dennis2049]

the mt-10 sp so is such a great bike. Good price and a nice overall set of features. I'm loving mine

[@LambChopRides]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ragerider6283]

Interesting little vid. Both great bikes. Also demonstrates how important acoustics are to the experience & both sound amazing. That MT-10 engine is an all time classic. I think you're slowly falling in love with it Chops. Womble's RSV is a beautiful bike too but I wonder if he possibly hasn't quite got his suspension & electronics settings dialed in if it's pitching him out of the seat etc? Point being there's possibly scope for it to ride even more nicely than it already does.

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah I would agree, his bike needs some tweaking 👍

[@HalfdeadRider]

It is most likely set for track rather than road riding, my bike kicks me out of my seat on occasion and mine is just set for my weight compared to stock settings, which are set for a small 65kg Japanese bloke from factory, could just be a nasty bump in our shite roads.

[@ragerider6283]

@@HalfdeadRider True enough on all counts.

[@MonkeyButtRides]

Best soundtrack ever is right! Love the sound of both machines.

[@nickrider5220]

The mt10 was 10% better on fuel, that's a fair bit. Thanks for the surprise video Chopsy 👍🙂

[@churchofbrap876]

Two of my favorite bikes! Own a 2019 MT-10, hope to own a tuono factory someday!

[@Birky_41]

Great video John. I had my 2019 Tuono at brands with you couple years back. I can see the electronics were set way too high when you tested in this video. They shouldn't be flashing like that.

[@intensegamer7559]

I own a 2003 Tuono and almost everything changed in the current model except ergos as well as sound quality. Both are top notch for sporty riding. But then again the current MT-10 feels smoother/better rounded and therefore more usable on public roads. Very comfortable for what it is and it practically rides itself. Thx for the vid guys.

[@valebliz]

Loved the rotax v2 in the original tuono though.

[@intensegamer7559]

@@valebliz I know exactly what you mean. The purchase was a total coincidence. Was test riding a couple of new bikes at a big dealership to see what I liked after a 17 year break from riding. And there she was. 18k miles on it and Wilbers suspension. Still looks almost new. 😁

[@laz1go286]

Great shoot out boys👌 I'd take the 2017 Tuono with the Akra anytime over the new Yamaha. Nothing beats the real V4😊 And the Italian design bloody beautiful unlike the MT..

[@backwheelbob46rr]

Nice to see they gave you an LC plate on the MT10 👍🏼

[@LambChopRides]

Haha did it? I missed that 😀👍

[@bryansuperduke1290r]

Womble needs to set the V4 suspension up for a bit more road use, too much preload or damping if he keeps getting bumped out of the seat like that.

[@the_mad_leprechaun]

Looks like you are having too much fun! Excellent viewing as always! 😁

[@LambChopRides]

Thanks buddy 👍 😁

[@martinhughes9769]

Great sound of both bikes

[@Fernando90054]

Hi, thank you for the video, it really shows ergonomic wise how the Yamaha is much more suitable for larger riders than the compact Tuono. This Yamaha MT-10 Sp is growing on me…😅 ✌️✌️

[@bakedbeanzontoast9078]

Realy lurve the Tuono , sound and paint job, fantastic. 👍👍👍👍

[@timhaslum7461]

Both bikes look superb.

[@NotNowCato1254]

Ah, I see you and Womble had a flinglish at the Beachside Cafe at Bowleaze Cove. Looks like you stopped short of the Belly Buster though 😂. Noice. That Tuono sounds glorious btw 👍

[@LambChopRides]

Hehe we did! Yeah resisted the belly buster 😄👍

[@VadersDarkside]

I'm 6’4" ‚ slightly ageing now with a dodgy back and my 23 MT-10 SP is so comfortable. I change bikes as often as the wind but I'm genuinely struggling to think of anything else I'd rather have at the moment. ❤

[@1998TDM]

To be honest, I really enjoyed that. Really enjoyed my one and only Ride on a Tuono, too. Cheers.

[@LambChopRides]

Glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍

[@bobcarter5548]

Guys the lights flashing on the top of the Aprilia dash are the rev limiter lights. from OE it is set low (circa 8,000). Set it to nearer the redline (where it should be), and all that goes away. Believe me when invasive electronics really kicks in you will know it. Defo not kicking in on the road unless you have it set to scooter level numbers, and certainly not for your little tickle accelerations. 😃😉😉

[@LambChopRides]

No the issue is the wheelie control, it's on level 3. Every time the front unloads on acceleration it cuts in. He needs it in level 1

[@Paulthenutter34]

The 17 Factory is still one of the best looking bikes around! I owned a '22 Tuono, E5, and wasn't impressed with the electronics at all, my '22 10SP is better in every way. The only place the Tuono could be better is at the track but otherwise it's SP all the way!

[@bobcarter5548]

@@LambChopRides he must put it on L1, or wear a box. 😂 early Tunas are brutal.

[@mnolanco5599]

Cross plane crank motors have been around for a while but Yamaha and Rossi made them famous in 2004 winning the MotoGP championship on a manufacturers bike that only had one 3rd place podium the previous year. Yamaha made three motors for Rossi to test after January 1st as Honda would not let him ride the Yamaha until his contract fully expired. Vale picked the cross plan motor for the power delivery and won the championship and the first race on the M1. I loaded his M1 onto a trailer when I worked for Yamaha and it was like a feather it was so light!

[@mattchrich957]

I picked up my brand new MT10 a month ago, full racefit titanium exhaust on after a week, 600 miles and break in service in 4 weeks and then remap tommorow marks week 5 of ownership. I was torn between the MT10 and Tuono however I’m also a 20 stone fatty and the MT-10 just fit me like a glove. I think if you have either in your stable you won’t be unhappy. The sound with the racefit on is brutal but as you guys touched on it’s a symphony, it doesn’t lose the tone and I will genuinely never be fed up of it.

[@mattchrich957]

I can’t deny however as much as I love the MT-10 the Tuono beats it in beauty for sure.

[@c00ldfeet84]

Good vid choppsie, i think the yamaha just has it on the lovely sound. Can i ask what camera inst 360 or gopro. Cheers mick. Stay safe.

[@LambChopRides]

It's the Insta360 360 One X3 and RS version. I have a link in my description 👍

[@c00ldfeet84]

@@LambChopRides cheers mate.

[@mikejgriffiths]

Kinda my perfect video having owned a 2019 Tuono and currently owning a 2022 MT10 SP. My take is the Tuono sounds better, is faster. both handle about the same but everythinhg else goes the the SP. Comfort, easier to ride, servicing costs, dealer network. The important thing though is that they both give you extreme smiles per miles

[@TheGray1967]

Good vid as always , but let’s not kid ourselves, Tuono is the king , that v4 is so good , there’s a reason the mt is pretending to be one 😂😂😂

[@Carvetii]

You don't even need to decat the MT10 it has a very high flow cat on it. I put a Pro Race end can on mine and it sounds amazing. When you decat them they can be way too loud depending on the end can. I took mine to Andy at junction 33 development to get it ECU flashed and asked him about it and he told me about the high flow cat I them.

[@jornk9775]

Everythine I turn the throttle well on my Tuono I feel like driving a Motogp machine, love it 😬👌

[@donnyazoff980]

Great video mate! Just out of curiosity do you know what many kilometres you travelled for the 8.1 litres of fuel? I would like to know what the mpg you got on it.

[@MT10bruh]

As MT10 owner, i find this title offensive. We no pretender we inline 4 crossplane engine not v4.

[@steveball2307]

The Tuono is standing up very well for it's (relative) age - maybe in need of a bit of fettling. It's definitely got a stronger pull on the old heart strings though....

[@Charlie-fc1mh]

7 :00 am here. You've done made me want breakfast now. I love that Mt 10. I'm hoping to get a 2024 model. Not sure if I will get the sp or the standard model yet

[@LambChopRides]

Sorry 😆👍

[@jimpanzer07]

Sold my 2020 Tuono Factory to get the 23 MT10 SP and have no regrets as for me its a better street bike, more comfort, plusher electronic Ohlins suspension and very similar sounding engine that is electric smooth. Nice comparo as these are the 2 best super nakeds, get one Chops!😎

[@jacquesleconte8152]

My Yamaha Diversion with dani moto pipe sounds good but the ducatik tuno sounds fantastic

[@10secondsrule]

I much more prefer the quiet exhaust with good intake noise. My street triple had a very nice intake sound. The sound should be for the rider to enjoy not to annoy most of rest of the people. I am warming up to this sp01. Still I’d probably chuck a lower handle bars just for the looks and a bit more sporty position. Ps. This English breakfast during British summer brought some nostalgia and a good chuckle. I kind of miss it.

[@moody9931]

That Aprilia sounds amazing

[@headrace4863]

Aprilia V4 is a dirty dirty noise…. Superb!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@dalehawkes1698]

I agree with you on the Tuono electronics I have the 21 they are so much better imo with the factory Akra ect they just make me smile on startup yet alone when giving it the beans great video as always Chops 🏍️🎉

[@LambChopRides]

Yes the new ones electronics are right up there with the best of the best 👍

[@wradford1]

That's why you turn them off unless it's wet or you can't ride for shtt

[@Maverick-moto]

Great video Chopsy. Two bikes I’ve always hankered over and never pulled the pin. An early, current model, non SP MT10 (July 22) put me right off with its horrendous low speed fuelling. Do you know how many miles you guys did on the 8.1 litres 🤔 Keep up the great variety and quality

[@LambChopRides]

That's a good question on miles.. probably around 60.. 👍

[@RichardASK]

"horrendous low speed fuelling." What are you talking about?

[@VFactory-vl5fi]

We’ve just brimmed the bikes, so that should get us to the shops and back 😂

[@Capsulecorp01]

Which slip on can you recommend?

[@shauns5278]

The Tuono or the Speed RR are likely the only bikes I'd trade my Street RS for but don't quite trust myself enough!

[@whittlad]

The M10 is a fantastic big brute of a bike and if you have three cheeks its much easier to enjoy - But the Tuono is a proper thoroughbred!!

[@jordanlee5002]

Also any chance on doing a review on the CFmoto 800mt?

[@LambChopRides]

Yes will be able to try one next year, currently the press bikes are now sold

[@mybikebits]

We've ridden both exact bikes recently, both are good buys, both are value for money. However, I'm not sure despite being in the same category that they're direct competitors, I think you either want a V4 or an Inline? Might be interesting to compare the new CF Moto V4's to the Aprilia when it comes!

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah very keen to try that new CF Moto.. might be a cracker! 👍

[@flamintasty]

I was wondering what you’ve done with Womble, glad to see him back. I hope Gregorio doesn’t get jealous though 😂 Tough choice between those two bikes, can I just choose both of them?

[@Dailyrider94]

Aprilia needs to make a fucking v4 touring bike like a multistrada

[@ricardoedwardo5799]

Tuono V4, mapped with carbon Akra (baffle OUT) is the sweetest thing🫡

[@andrewsissens3018]

Great vid Chops. I've got a 2017 Tuono Factory, and every now and then I flirt with the idea of getting something else. But electronics aside, it's still one hell of a package, esp for my jockey-like physique. Noise, poise and theatre. Though like a few of the other comments point out, you've got to set up particularly the rear shock to exploit the bike properly on the road. The later bikes with the semi-active Ohlins make it easy. Top stuff as always chaps 👍🏻

[@cecilwilson5442]

That Yamaha seems like a great bike,, and nowadays you have such a good choice,, engine configurations ,, brilliant stuff ☘️👍👍👍☘️,, can you turn it all off ,,😮

[@hyperthunk]

So, my mate has the new MT10 SP with the akra pipe and you can still barely hear it. When we go out my 2010 speed triple is way louder even when the arrow pipes still have their baffles in. All that rubbish in the dustbin under the bike has killed the sound on new machines. The MT has a lovely intake howl, but the exhaust note is about a loud as a butterfly farting 🥲

[@williamfacenda7057]

I removed all of that and did a flash tune with a mid pipe and Akrapovic exhaust and it sounds and rides incredible!

[@fastbysal8797]

SP engineering sounds amazing. Lots of options on cans too. My only complaint is theres no titanium option.

[@VState60]

@@williamfacenda7057yeah he’s telling a story about an MT-10 without the cats removed 😂

[@benkelly2190]

The tuono, has it on sound.👍🏻

[@jordanlee5002]

I'm probably a biased owner but the 1290 super duke quality is next level

[@alfiethefeline3311]

as an owner of older version of mt 10sp( now sold) i really cant see why yamaha decided the remove the body panels from the new mt10sp the bike look so unfinished. It could be the best bike to ride, still my ocd wouldnt allow me to ride one. :D lol if one wants a V4 i think Aprilla is the way to go. Plus pricing is very similar now.

[@kierandowning9868]

Hi Chops, your discount code for helmet city doesn't work. But great vid, I'd personally be picking the v4 over the mt10

[@LambChopRides]

Did you use upper case for the LCR bit? Also only works on items not already on offer 👍

[@bikerboy1001]

Regarding the electronics of the Tuono keep calibrating these on a regular basis. Let's say every 1000 Miles or so to compensate for tire wear. By doing that you can ensure they stay consistant. The noticeable intrusive wheelie control will behave waaay better on level 1 after doing that I suppose. At least I experienced this issue and solved it that way. Level 3 is completly useless in my opinion :)

[@Ni3K]

I bought a MT 10 in Juli and put 7400km on it in three month, I love it. I chose it over the Aprilia, because of Japanese reliability, the seating position, the better handling in town and twisty roads and lower service costs (valve check on a v4 at 24Tkm vs. inline 4 at 40Tkm). But my MT 10 will not start anymore, I have to bring it to the dealer. I had Triumph, Ducati, KTM and Husqvarna, no issues whatsoever. I did not expect this form a Yamaha.

[@bryansuperduke1290r]

I would like the V4 but it’s too small for me at 6ft. Considering the MT SP to replace my Superduke.

[@LTLT900]

Put some petrol in the tank.

[@King_Harrold]

What was wrong with it?

[@Ni3K]

@@King_Harrold They replaced the spark plugs and it starts now. I hope this is fixed now, but I have to wait until spring to test the bike...

[@jasamoracing144]

​@@bryansuperduke1290rtry the new tuono factory, im 6'5 and found it quite comfy

[@MatNewtonTrio]

Sounds a bit tinny.. 😂 get an Akro on that bad boy and it’s different story. I absolutely love the Tuono but both of those bike sound utterly amazing with a decat and a decent system/end pipe. I found the Yamaha generally a bit more comfy and more relaxed that the Tuono being a bigger/taller guy. The Tuono is no doubt the prettier machine but I’d still take the Yamaha which is easy to live with.

[@saltire546]

Tuono everyday of the week, owned an Mt 10sp from new and got a lemon traded for Gsxr1000r .Mt 10 held its s/hand price though.

[@srtspeedy4983]

I had 2 Tuono factorys and one standard and 2 MT10. One standard and a SP. My two favourites bikes. I will get a full exhaust for my MT10SP next year. It actually sounds even meaner than the Aprilia with a SC CRT 😀

[@GhostHammerX]

Which do you prefer, Tuono or MT10, and why?

[@srtspeedy4983]

@@GhostHammerX MT10. A more versatile bike with much better comfort. Tuono is to focused on realy realy fast riding. Tuono is a fantastic bike though. For hyperfast driving the Tuono is the king. The MT10 is more frendly against your wallet owning wise. The Yamaha is more reliable.

[@GhostHammerX]

@@srtspeedy4983 I am kinda torn between the two…I do 7-10 trackdays per year, and outside of that mostly twisties. Not much long distance traveling, as most of my rides are under an hour or two, usually.

[@srtspeedy4983]

@@GhostHammerX Are you a younger person that can handle the more racy position and dont do long touring trips go with the Aprilia. You want to experience that bike atleast once. The MT10 SP is god but not at the same level as the Aprilia.

[@GhostHammerX]

@@srtspeedy4983 I am 43 with a bad back & neck, lol…I have ridden the Aprilia on track, and once out on the street, but only for a few minutes… If I got the MT10, I would likely end up getting aftermarket rearsets and slightly lower bars…

[@stevekirk6399]

Would the MT10SP be your next bike if it had a full Vandemon exhaust a dyno tune and a padded seat? but that starts another question why do we have to spend £2500 just to get a bike the way we want it. Is the BMW S1000R the perfect bike that you spend the least on?

[@LambChopRides]

That's exactly what I'm thinking! Your right just crap that you have to spend money getting a bike to what it should be standard.. bloody Euro fools

[@MrAndrew1953]

One of those tests that has to be performed by seat of your pants to really appreciate the difference between the two.

[@pricklypunter]

Nothing better than a blast out with a mate and just having some fun. I was never really into the MT's, but that new one looks really good, well, on a sliding scale of prettiness 😁 👍

[@mojosdad68]

Womble has the nicest looking year of the Tuono. And that green wheel is the icing. While I’m sure the SP is a great bike, it has one of the ugliest front ends out there. Actually the ass end isn’t much better. Nice paint though.

[@TheRealChetManley]

Two great bikes, the Tuono looks better and sounds better though. Trying to decide on a hyper naked right now, I think Tuono is going to be it.

[@thedriverofallthings]

Chops I just want to tell you that youtube is using your video to promote the kardasians on Disney+ The fecken Kardasians chop, that is outrages Also love the video buddy. What bike would you buy?

[@LambChopRides]

Haha thanks for the heads up! I will get the Lawers primed! 😆👍

[@weekendriderss]

CP4 🤤

[@SirMountainpass]

The MT10 SP any day! To further enhance the bike, I would upgrade to the Akra exhaust pipe (or to a full system, if possible, add SBS track / road performance brake pads, a DNA air filter and go for an professional ECU reprogramming to see 160 - 170 whp with optimised fuelling / driveability (in-gear acceleration) 😎🏁

[@RichardASK]

The new MT10 already has 166 brake at the crank.

[@SirMountainpass]

@@RichardASK Wheel hp are measured on the rollers. If the tuning effort should read 160 whp - depending quite a bit on the exhaust system chosen (stock is way below due to Euro5 emission regulations, the throttle does not fully open at every rpm-level) - then this translates to about +10% hp at the crank. You would notice a considerable increase of mid- and high rpm punch.

[@tylerfloyd8036]

Like riding the v4 but that motor is wound up pretty tight, 16k miles on a tuono you should be replacing some pricey bits, they were not meant to last very long.

[@jakemuntja]

I dunno man. Everyone loves the sound of em but I always prefer an in-line setup just screaming it’s nuts off

[@countbrapcula-espana]

Aprilia superior. Yes the real V4. Looks, finish. Italian design and the entire package. I love 2016 1100 Factory, 2017 Factory, 2020 Factory and this years 2023 in MotoGP livery matte 1100 Factory. That V4 engine is legendary. Especially with SC-PROJECT Crt.

[@gerrievl]

Am saving abit more up money wise to make the swap but damm those italians are expensive... even for a 2016 model ull pay 13k euro. Till then my cp3 engine on my mt09 will suit me.

[@47-TH4TS-R4VN]

I'd rather the lower maintenance cost of the yam. The cp4 comes very close to the v4 in character. Both are way faster than I will ever be.

[@RichardASK]

I've had an MT10(160PS) for 5 1/2 years and I've also had an extended go on the new MT10 (166PS) and I didn't like the new model. In my opinion, they have spoilt the sound(not a noise) by giving it too much induction noise. Clearly the new model still has a horrible seat (which is why so many of us buy the comfort seat, which is lovely). I was ready to buy the new model, but I didn't like it and will wait for the next version.

[@575ban]

I love the Aprilia but for me, I'd ride away on the MT10-SP, much more of an every day bike.

[@terrydavies4730]

Not sure if I'm doing something wrong but the helmet city code isn't working for me?

[@LambChopRides]

Is it upper case Terry? Also it's only for items not already on offer sorry

[@terrydavies4730]

@@LambChopRides cheers, will try again 👍

[@user-hf8ie8mf3n]

I’ve owned both gens of the 10, (very biased), but I’ll admit the Tuono is just a unique animal. Not sure anything really compares to it, but I wouldn’t trade it for my Yamaha. It’s more comfortable, easier to ride, cheaper to maintain, etc. Aprilia needs its own category for the T. 👍🤪🏳️‍🌈

[@luuceichhorn4489]

Cardo sound is not ideal yet I reckon.

[@LambChopRides]

It's perfect while riding

[@adamthompson110583]

I just can’t get past the looks of the MT10. I loved the old shape one. New one just looks like it is missing something

[@akmt9114]

It is so you order the fill panels for the sides from Pyramid plastics. Im likely getting one again next summer. Miss my Gen 1I sold.

[@ianedwards26]

no blurring of that speedo ??? plod is watching

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Cannot recall a summer as garbage as 2023's. Nonetheless it came good in September and I piled the miles on my Gen 3 Hayabusa. One of my favourite rides is from my home in Warwickshire to Swanage, Dorset. Been known to do it for 3 days on the bounce.....anyone else out there as stupid?

[@dougiequick1]

Seriously? I didnt think ANY liter bike uses up more fuel than an Empty Ten? That fuel pump must be screaming trying to keep up with those injectors! I can almost see my fuel guage dropping as I twist the throttle! So annoying worrying all the time if I'll make it or if I can keep riding with a group on less fuel greedy models. My MT10 really makes me appreciate my Tracer 9gt with its 50mpg (US probably 60 imperial idk)

[@stephenchapman8344]

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[@dg8062]

Brakes are still 💩 on the mt compared to much of the Brembo stuff that many competitors are now using, even on some of the Japanese brands. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge yamaha fan, I have an '18 mt10. Just using a good quality sintered pad makes by far the biggest improvement, EBC DOUBLE-H sintered is what I use. The biggest and best improvement on the mt10 is competently tuning or "flashing" the ecu. I literally thought I was riding a different bike after the flash. The only downfall is that fuel mileage goes from bad to terrible! I get about 25mpg the way I ride and I'm 63...lol. Just the price of admission on the Yamaha if you want it to actually run healthy. These bikes are absolutely strangled to meet euro5. They run SO lean, especially down low to mid rpm from the factory. Yes, the new gen are absolutely the same! My tuner proved it as he owns a new gen. When you remove the exhaust system on the new gen, you're looking at exactly the same engine. I bought mine with 1k miles on it for $9600, practically new. Another $300 for the ecu tune and I found a bargain on a Yoshimura 3/4 decat system for $600. 95% of the power gain came from the ecu flash, NOT the exhaust system. Exhaust adds a few hp but mostly just accentuates that beautiful music produced by the brilliant yamaha cp4! One hell of a bargain for one shit-eatin grin inducing machine! 150whp of pure jailbait!

[@HalfdeadRider]

I guess when you say the MT rides like a V4, you mean it's got a ton of low end/midrange grunt! Older sport bikes are more like that with warp speed kicking in as 6-7k rpms are reached. Manufacturers need to do that more as they used to, but people want slower accelerating bikes as they don't see that as they see they can do 200+mph that they will never see 🤣🤣 Kawasaki should bring out a ZX9r anniversary edition ZX10r next year in the old liveries and tuned and geared for acceleration and a max speed of 170-180mph (like my E1 ZX9r 😁), the B1 9r released 1994.

[@LambChopRides]

Yeah I agree! 👍

[@Errol.C-nz]

Did you mention Wombles.. on a test ride of a pretender 🤧 .. "think" back .. at Yamaha's cross plane crank concept .. big bang they call it .. then direct your attention to Ducati's V twin V4 go engine .. a bit above your head maybe .. Aprilia as good as it is came waaaay later with their 60deg v4 .. Yamaha's stuck with the cost of moving from straight 4 to V