Reject 58mm, Embrace 49mm: The First Drops of a Reclaimed Future for Espresso

Sage and De'Longhi now are like "I told youuuu"!

[@CaveyMoth]

I don't think I'll ever upgrade from my De'Longhi ECP. Unless I mod it...

[@DevotedCoffeeCo]

Don’t forget about La Spaziale!

[@stevengilchrist3247]

Long before sage and delonghi was pavoni who implemented 49mm in the 60s.

[@ronnyskaar3737]

Exactly. I have 51 mm in my delonghi. Love it.

[@xenaretos]

Technically, DeLonghi's are designed with mostly single shots in mind, being Italian and all.

[@greentube461]

You need to tell Sheldon to make us a conversion kit for the Gaggia Classic Pro ! Gaggiuino 49mm baby🤩

[@Tfol077]

Lol $200 step down basket. In 3 months I'm sure there will be more affordable versions thanks to you highlighting this, so thank you Lance!

[@nd_5051]

3 months?. I'd give it a 2-4 weeks.

[@Na015110]

Lol. No to spoil the mood or anything, sworks sells the stepdown for more than a year now. Hopefully nowww it starts to gain traction

[@Conservator.]

@@Na015110 For $200 it won’t.

[@Mandragara]

Small production runs cost more

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

I bought it. Cheaper than buying a Cremina. Really, really love the shots it gives me too.

[@CaveyMoth]

Yo, dawg, I heard you like group heads. So I put a group head on your group head.

[@jbthief1]

Me sitting here with my 46mm basket because Flair Pro 2 glad to know that my deeper and narrower basket is not hindering my pulls

[@86vphil]

I got the 49mm conversion kit for my Decent and have been surprised at the difference it makes. The courser grind seems to help a lot with consistency. Even if my grind is off, the cup still turns out pretty good.

[@PositivelyNice]

Wow! The results from this experiment gets me. Tom’s Coffee Corner has been saying for years how he truly prefers small baskets and that 54 mm and 51 mm are both really just fine! That being said, perhaps the coffee world is also going through the mini trend. The luxury handbags world has been on to mini bags for the last 5 years. However, since I don’t have a boiler machine yet, I am all for the development of more small baskets higher end machines.

[@isobutylquinoline]

The moment when the audience receives the bird at 5:25 is chef's kiss. Wut? Thunderstruck.

[@christopherguy1217]

I like the idea of these conversions so we can continue to use our existing equipment. I went with a 25 gram basket filling it to the max with 23.0 grams of a very dark roast to get 32 grams out. This makes for very large shots, getting the same result with less from a 49mm basket sounds god.

[@Sir1ri]

Another banger year of Lance! Thank you because you are a gem!!

[@idansim1]

Lance we are all thinking it. What happens when you go even smaller? How small is too small? I think we need a deep dive

[@darkmann12]

20mm basket FTW 😂

[@ze_ep]

You end up with a pressurized basket 😱

[@LanceHedrick]

Just like there is too big, there is too small of course. It is something I'm currently trying to figure out a way to test meaningfully

[@egoet]

Lance is my fashion idol. Love the Kame House shirt

[@andyh4520]

UPS should be delivering my step down this morning, can't wait!

[@mattcrosson401]

Hope you're having a happy holiday season and enjoying some tasty brews today Lance. Thanks for being informative!

[@Marcel-ct9wq]

That's why my pavoni europiccola shots taste so good 🙂

[@purpleblue5205]

Flair Espresso frantically taking notes while watching this video, telling their engineers to make a prototype Flair 49 prototype ASAP.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@purpleblue5205 flair already has even smaller baskets although maybe still with a limited depth. We need more non super pricey options for high extracting baskets in 49 or 51mm size for different machines I think that would be a game changer for the europiccola and similar machines.

[@ThePajak46]

Specialized bicycles is gonna have a field day

[@jarredl990]

Yeah I don’t think they have a claim because of S-Works mtbs.

[@ThePajak46]

@ they sued a bike shop for using the name “roubaix” which is a region in France also the name of their bike. S-Works is their premium component and frame sub-brand and as a cyclist I instantly (and correctly) set my expectations to premium and expensive but also high quality. I think it’s a matter of time

[@redfoxdude]

Eh, since they are in different industries, I expect it would be difficult prove any sort of brand confusion between S-WORKS (bicycles) and SWORKSDESIGN (coffee). This is different from that bike shop, where they could argue that consumers may think it's a shop by Specialized. But sure, we'll see.

[@keehn20]

Dude. You are blowing my mind! Thanks for the great videos buddy!

[@beecat4183]

One of the smaller flairs might be another more economical way of getting into alternative geometries.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@beecat4183 basket type makes a big difference in how your shots taste too so the problem is there's limited options at most other sizes but maybe that will open up eventually. I'd like to see more 51mm high extraction baskets.

[@LanceHedrick]

@BensCoffeeRants why do you need high extraction baskets?

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@LanceHedrick For better / more evenly extracted coffee? *For my 58mm Machine I have two Weber Unibaskets, not really a fan of the brand but I do enjoy the 16g basket, I found it seems like it gives a little stronger punch to the flavours without any negative effects like amplifying bitterness or acidity I assumed that's due to a better / even extraction. I also got the 28g Unibasket which supposedly has the same size and amount of holes it's just a lot deeper. I've only used it a few times because 28g is a lot of coffee to gamble with at one time for an espresso shot! But the few times I've used it, It seems like I lose flavour clarity and maybe gain body (I'm bad with paying attention to and remembering the body).

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@LanceHedrick The Stock baskets on the 51mm Europiccola are just alright, I think the IMS option is basically the same, I'd like a basket that gives more flavour clarity or just give different representations of the coffee.

[@LanceHedrick]

@BensCoffeeRants add bottom filter.

[@MrDireness]

I ended up getting a 1979 la pav pro and restoring it with Tudor's help as my 1st ever machine because of this finding. Every morning is fun now. Looking forward to getting a unimodal grinder, since the version with the 49mm gh is weirdly optimised for light roasts in terms of thermal qualities and I can't really do those properly with my current equipment, not washed ones anyway. Thanks for the educational content, Lance. Your vids are by far the most exhaustive.

[@chris9923]

I'm using the step down basket in my Flair 58, and it's really great. The margin for good shots is soooo much bigger (as you mentioned in your other video on 49mm, Lance!). The coarser grind is also a big win (related of course). Thanks!

[@albertorossetti7959]

Thanks for your comment. O was also wondering how to adapt my flair 58 to a smaller puck bit without sacrificing the nice wooden portafilter

[@LanceHedrick]

Heck yeah!

[@roytromb_strength]

I’m starting to think Lance is running a social experiment to see how easily people change “their taste” or “opinions” based on KZbin videos. It’s interesting how people love to jump on whatever “new” thing Lance says. Even modding a machine as expensive and researched as the Decent.

[@LanceHedrick]

Lol as if a company who does research on their product makes it the best... interesting comment.

[@markosgd]

Even Decent is constantly modding Decent. If you bought Decent 5 years ago, they keep offering options for this and that, versions of this and that. Never a finished product.

[@lucianogonzalez8597]

Thanks for all the great content this year, Lance! Looking forward to what you’ll brew up in 2025!

[@PhaTs00p]

Nice the stepdown adaptor costs more than my machine.

[@NeverMind353]

Tbf, this is completely uncharted territory and those are custom made parts for a tiny niche group of niche group

[@andromedach]

I take it he still very much likes his Decent as I have seen it a bit more than usual in recent videos. Really liked those cups he was pulling the shots in

[@LanceHedrick]

@@andromedach my decent is def better for me now post conversion lol

[@rmainr9495]

I e-mailed Flair a couple of months ago with an idea that looks similar to to these group head conversion kits. Response was they send to the R&D team. Honestly not expecting a response but now it's cool seeing someone else create the same thing (though different machines)

[@qwmjml]

Get bodyguards cause big coffee is coming for you Lance. Imagine 58mm actually going out of style! What a time to be alive.

[@PositivelyNice]

I am looking forward to it because I live in an apartment and I want more options in the Dedica size. 😂😂😂

[@dubhd4r4]

Hey Lance, do you think you could replicate the shot by up dosing by like 8-10g on a Cafelet Robot to get the correct aspect ratio, since you are in full manual control of the pressure curve, and if you grind a bit coarser it works.

[@TracelessFK]

I have a 49mm La Pavoni that I love the shots pulled on it. Just got a slayer and am already considering the conversion kit 😅 Hopefully this will open up the doors for more 49mm accessories

[@EnormousSmartass]

Awesome work and thanks for the update, that's what this hobby is all about. Testing things and finding out new ways to make tasty coffee. As of late I'm in love with a very long steeped Aeropress at low temps. Around 45 minutes with water at max 60 c makes most of my light roasts taste extremely nice to me. No harshness whatsoever, just intense flavour. Obviously this is something I can only do at the weekends or on holiday but that's fine.

[@mariapage147]

Nice one to end 2024. Data driven innovation 🙌

[@gerardvazquezjulia1968]

See lance, i click !!

[@LanceHedrick]

Yeah baby!

[@EthanSongMusic]

You're so attentive at replying to early comments lmao Keen to dive into this though, been interested in why 58mm was standardized for a while now but never looked into it more deeply!

[@vi-yn1ss]

Sold my E61 double boiler after scoring a 68 cremina on ebay for $300 and rebuilding it from the ground up, even adding PID temp management. Have not looked back or felt the need to upgrade in 15 years.

[@anthonyortega4073]

Damn Lance, you look good!!

[@johnsummerfield3590]

I plan on modifying a 51mm De'Longhi ec260 with a PID, opv spring cut, and a Silvia steam wand. This video just reinforced my decision.

[@EugeneBuvard]

Definitely interested on the process and guides if there's any or if you make one!

[@ze_ep]

🙏 Honestly not enough delonghi mods for the actual brewing besides dimmer hack. Wand is easy but temperature control and cutoff would be awesome.

[@rampapandiontinling]

@@ze_ep Might try with Hibrew H10B. It already has temp control like it's big brother, but is 51mm. Only needs a dimmer.

[@johnsummerfield3590]

@@EugeneBuvard , I think my post was blocked. You can search for Sungaze coffee . They sale a PID / flow control kit and have a video showing how to install it.

[@devonmoonie6860]

i loove these types of videos.

[@LanceHedrick]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@themrwinston9570]

did you get early access to the 58-49 group head/portafilter thing? i cant seem to find it anywhere on the sworks website

[@dawgman2256]

Flair should make a 49mm/51mm handled PF model with preheat.

[@LanceHedrick]

Handled PF would be supreme

[@2s_company_]

​@@LanceHedrickagreed from a workflow standpoint but with regards to deeper pucks, won't the entry level flairs offer deeper pucks and better results than the 49mm groups? Taking this further, what about a test tube shaped basket?

[@chrys0gonus]

I do hope sincerely that the guys at Flair read these comments and take it to heart. Cheers from Austria ✌️

[@RichardStroffolino]

That portafilter on a portafilter approach would be interesting on a Europiccola just to increase the water debit for longer shots (obv would need a different size since that one is 58mm). Great video and interesting stuff!!

[@simonmonty7171]

5:15 flipping us off like there is no tomorrow 😅

[@WholesomeVince]

Lance, why are you looking like such a snack? It's killing me.

[@LanceHedrick]

Don't come to my videos hungry. Will get too distracting.

[@randalbladel2817]

I guess my pre millennium La Pavoni with a standard 49 mm basket is back in style again. 😁

[@LanceHedrick]

They never left style

[@davidlundholm]

The tamping is worth mentioning as well. With the Step-down Billet basket your only option, together with the additional base plate, is The Force Tamper. The resulting workflow is indeed very clean and nice but it gets a bit expensive...

[@LanceHedrick]

No you can order any 49mm tamper

[@davidlundholm]

​@@LanceHedrickMy misstake, I was thinking about auto-leveling options. With any other 49 mm tamper, is the 58 mm top part not in the way of the tamping?

[@LanceHedrick]

@davidlundholm nope! You could also get the sworks pancake tsmper.

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

That's wrong. I use the Normcore 49mm self-leveling tamper with the step-down basket. It sits perfectly on the inner rim.

[@doc8125]

Would you say there are big sensory differences between the different "stages" (ignoring the little insert thing you put into a regular billet basket) or is it mostly a workflow difference between the 4? And if you don't own a machine he does stage 4 for, which would you get (again, ignoring workflow for a second)

[@american1911]

which flow rate did you order, High, Standard, Low? how does the flow rate influance tast?

[@sina4909]

So if I understand correctly you are compensating for the headroom by adjusting flow rate at the top of the shot? How’d you suggest one should take care of that in a “dumb” straight 9 bar machine?

[@LanceHedrick]

That's only for the test

[@cesartrujillo4190]

Easy to watch. Thanks for he step down info

[@LanceHedrick]

Thanks for watching!

[@dekshunari3597]

Could you make an overview/summary post or document of all the things that can improve espresso?

[@slimigan]

Are we at the point where we are looking for solutions to problems that don't exist?

[@LanceHedrick]

Problems that don't exist?

[@MW9X12]

incremental updates, its how things gets better.

[@rg3825]

My la pavoni is 49. Has been tough to find toys for it over the years. Trends.

[@jontpt]

Hey, maybe he could make 58mm portafilters for all the Breville machines! That might actually be worth the investment! 😂

[@daniel.lopresti]

I'm happy with my 2nd gen La Pavoni Pro (49mm); also perfectly happy making a 13-14g double as my standard drink - 18-20g just sounds way excessive to me. Just barely over 10 doses in a 250g bag? Hey, I still even sometimes use the single dose 7-9g basket :)

[@marck.5116]

I'm happy with my 58mm. It's dialled in and taste great. I have a breville at work and my gaggia E24 makes better coffee

[@LanceHedrick]

That's great! Not really a proper comparison of two diameters as there are loads more variables at play but good for you!

[@TheIggyTech]

Same boat here lol. I'm pulling significantly better shots on my 58mm Argos than I ever did on my 51mm Delonghi. I think there are other factors more important to the end shot quality than puck thickness (temperature stability, pressure profiling, and grinder for example). But hey if people wanna play around it, by all means 🤷‍♂

[@jeremyelliott777]

I’ve got an Outin Nano (45mm basket) it makes espresso with better body than my Salvatore Compact Spring Lever (58mm basket). Feels odd choosing to pull some shots from the Outin right next to such a capable, massive lever machine. That 49mm step down looks like a fun investment. Thanks!

Lance, what if I take 58 mm basket for 25g, it will be more or less same depth as 15g 49mm basket? Will this give same result?

[@LanceHedrick]

Would need more like a 29g dose to emulate a 15g in 49mm but yes.

@@LanceHedrick Pullman has 28g basket... let's give it a try =)

[@Phil_OG]

@@LanceHedrick Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it (58/2)^2 / (49/2)^2 = 1.4 which means 15*1.4=21. So you'd need 21g to emulate 15g in 49mm?

[@LanceHedrick]

@Phil_OG yes you're right. I was thinking 20g in 49mm is 29g in 58. That was going to be my followup testing for direct was 20g doses in my 49 vs 29g in a new weber basket. 21ish is correct for 15. The math isn't perfect because the baskets aren't perfectly cylindrical. But like 21.5ish. Big doses FTW.

[@anthonyzouki]

When will you be doing a review of the new rancilo v6 machine lance ?

[@Jeremy-kg1zr]

I really want a review of a Silvia with PID mod vs Gaggia. I'm trying to decide between Gaggia Classic Pro E24 or picking up a used Silvia for around the same price and putting a PID on it. Silvia, PID mod, add 49mm basket and make bangin espresso? Or is a Gaggia plenty for whipping up a morning latte before work and won't really notice a difference moving to a Silvia?

[@Jahloveipraise]

Great video as always! I have the step down on my decent. Just saw Sheldon dropped the shower screen conversion to 49mm. Do you think that’s worth the extra upgrade or to just stick with the step down. I also have his billet shower screen installed too btw

[@2s_company_]

Any way to rig an espresso machine with a test tube shaped basket?!

[@rtist3386]

Something new to buy in this hobby. Does it improve anything? Who cares, it's all about the toys.

[@LanceHedrick]

Lol someone didn't pay attention

[@thomashughes7686]

I'll stick with my pre-millenium La Pavoni with it's 49mm then! Score!

[@loganwalker4763]

I have a Delonghi which is 51mm and a fellow opus grinder. When I put 18grams in I’m normally about the setting 4 (aero press nearly poorover setting) should I be putting less grounds in eg 15grams and grinding finer or sticking to more coffee and grinding courser

[@discbrakefan]

Seems like the little Sunbeam Espresso machine I got with 51mm basket might be ok then 😂

[@jg3142]

Next step is to the 46mm basket in the flair pro series…..

[@stevens.3838]

Then the next budget beast is a Dedica modded with screen like Gagguino

[@DevotedCoffeeCo]

@@stevens.3838 Dedica won’t accept that mod, but the Delonghi ECP3420 can basically accept it. I think Lance has plans on doing that someday, too.

[@TheChopstix888]

As a pre-mil La Pavoni enjoyer, thank you for bringing the spotlight back to 49mm baskets because the fun espresso toys are so rare in this size right now 🥲

[@scider2]

Have you tried other sizes too? Besides 58 and 49 there are many more like 55, 45... Will even smaller be even better or will 49 bring the "perfect" ratio?

[@admiral_v]

So what is the move ? A step down basket or a portafilter reducing adapter and 49 mm portafilter/basket for my e61?

[@imdguzman]

Great video! I'm curious, where did you score the Shaka coffee from? I'm in Spain and have been struggling to find a dark roast that doesn't taste like charcoal briquettes.

[@LanceHedrick]

Straight from saka in italy

[@JackSimpson-p2q]

Is the Decent conversion kit substantially better than just getting the step down? I recently purchased the billet shower screen if that matters. Also. Do you prefer low, standard, or high flow Sworksdesign baskets (Monolith Max SLM)?

[@LanceHedrick]

To me, it is substantially better. Yes. And high flow is great for soup with 49. Low flow for syrup. Standard for ambi

[@JackSimpson-p2q]

@@LanceHedrick thanks for the response! You are such a great resource for this hobby

[@mgbaron]

I was thinking about buying the La marzocco mode for my gs3 but not sure I want to turn my machine into a Frankenstein.

[@Giuliana-w1f]

Why not?

[@h3yn0w]

Interesting. Does this also mean the old school tapered baskets are better than the straight walled baskets?

[@xenaretos]

Almost completely satisfied with my 46mm Flair Pro 2 and 9 gram doses. Could be perfect if it could go down to 7 without using an aftermarket tamper and dealing with extra mess later.

[@DigitalicaEG]

Reddit: you don’t need “Data” to pull a good shot of espresso Lance: 5:16

[@TheAndersonTeam]

Hey Lance, thanks for the video! Can you share which size (in grams) of Sworks 49 basket you are using and if this is standard or high flow?

[@Wheresthesoul]

Nice option and video. Another option I would love to see someone offering for pourover is a 300-350ml goose neck kettle. Most people I know brew 200-300ml cups so why are all the kettles around 800-1200 ml besides the Fish? Because that’s always the way it’s been done? It’s just bulkier, more electricity and less flow control if you’re only filling it with 250ml like I do. I’ll keep on crossing my fingers a brand does this one day.

[@liiich6175]

Thin 58mm puck that can channel and be uneven vs 49 or less that can have a better extraction range. One of the main reasons my classic Flair 40mm tastes better then my 58mm modded Silvia

[@ende421]

Very nice, thank you! Slightly disappointed though that you didn't talk about the convex Sworks basket. Did you try it?

[@LanceHedrick]

Nah. Didn't see the point. It was $200 I didn't feel worth spending tbh. If it is any better than the step down, which my feeling is it would be very hard to be clearly better, then it's spending the same amount for a lateral move. I was more interested in actual 49mm baskets and their implementation.

[@ende421]

@LanceHedrick my gut feeling is that the workflow could be better. No need for a funnel. Could be worth it, if the result is the same.

[@LanceHedrick]

@ende421 still need a collar. Just like any basket. And with a 49mm basket in a 49mm portafilter, workflow is perfect.

[@eTreyu27]

Feel like an accidental genius since I just got a rebuild project pre-mill Europiccola. Even though I had no idea about 49 versus 58, LOL

[@avexdevil]

surely the 58mm lipped stepdown to 49mm basket is the smartest and cost-effective way to try this, especially coming from an all 58mm setup. no comments were made on taste differences between the options, so i'm presuming the espresso output on all are equal. it's also the easiest way to revert to 58mm. The grouphead conversion seems semi-permanent. any reason to pick one over the other aside from preference? Edit: which 49mm tamper would you recommend? especially one that works well with the sworksdesign stepdown basket.

[@chris9923]

Sworks sell a base that screws onto the Force Tamper. That'll probably be the best fitting. Normcore also do one.

[@bradyobrien1553]

Any major extraction percentage differences with these baskets? Definitely intrigued for use of these in a cafe setting.

[@LanceHedrick]

I go over this with a type of test in the video on caption

[@bradyobrien1553]

@LanceHedrick just watched the other vid. Thanks for the info! I'm curious if you've liked higher extractions (ie >23%) with these baskets vs 58mm?

[@Bopek]

I haven't watched the full video yet but do you have an idea how I can adapt a cafelat robot to work with a 49mm basket? Thank you :)

[@catchacoolbreeze]

I think the explanation for stage 2 hit the cutting room floor. What is it? A 49mm portafilter that fits into a 58mm group head with a 58mm basket as a Puck screen?

[@LanceHedrick]

Essentially a 58mm porta that can fit a 49mm basket. Then a gasket and a 58mm basket that doubles as a showerscreen

[@catchacoolbreeze]

Oh interesting. Thanks for the reply. Pretty cool options for sure.

[@jlyt18]

doesnt the shower screen being wider make it so that the edges get more water in the smaller basket?

[@LanceHedrick]

No. None of the mods allow a bigger screen to hit a smaller basket.

[@carminedinezza5127]

I have a Breville Infuser (54mm) at home, and a Cafe Roma (50mm, unpressurized basket) at work. I feel like I'm making better coffee on my old budget Cafe roma.... the dose, coffee and grinder (modded N600s) being exactly the same for both. I think I am finally understanding why!

[@chrissweet391]

I've been experimenting with a VST 25g and a deeper puck. I also ordered a Webber 28g. Are you still planning that followup video?

[@LanceHedrick]

Yes

[@Leeroi132]

Which Saka did you use? I love Gran and Classic Bar

[@LanceHedrick]

Crema bar!

[@ylleKkcirtaPnadnerB]

But, but, but.. ..15g in 49mm is only 5% deeper than say 20g in 58mm, and it has relatively more nonuniform edge effects. So, simply upping my 58mm basket depths by a couple of millimeters, and dosing accordingly, gives me deeper puck shots with no immediate outlay and less compromise - admittedly I'm 10% more caffeinated and getting through the beans quicker too, but it'd take a while before I'd be quids-in with a 49mm conversion. By which time SWorks will have maybe be promoting 41mm kit and 49mm will be so passé? I love what you've been doing, and am inspired to experiment, but I cannot find the love for SWorks while they still push flat rim baskets - tossing sound engineering principles in the bin for the flimsiest of reasons. Rigid bottoms, yeah interested, but flat rims, er no thank you

[@LanceHedrick]

Yeah I'm not saying 15g in a 49mm is ideal. If you watch the video I discussed, it was 20g in a 49mm. And yeah not a fan of flat.

[@LanceHedrick]

Also, this didn't come from sworks. He made these based off the aforementioned video on guessing based off your comment you did not watch lol

[@ylleKkcirtaPnadnerB]

I watched your earlier video, (maybe I missed the aforementioned one) and it inspired me to try increased puck depth, which has stuck. Tto be honest, I don't remember the doses discussed back then but my takeaway was depth. But 7 minutes in to this one there's 15g in 49mm in the Rancilio, so I'm thinking, hmm, not so deep, and I spot a little donut start, so I'm thinking hmm, what about the idol of uniformity... Then there'd been the 49mm dummy ring and mention of 10g, a pancake of a puck, and while you're clearly not too sold, it seems to get some praise for being 49mm and cheap, but to me it hints of 49mm for the sake of 49mm, without the (usually) inherent benefit of depth. Deeper pucks in deeper baskets WAS my favourite 2024 mod, and of course practical 49mm might retain the advantages while preserving the crop, but where does it stop? How about 30mm? Anyway, time to rewatch again...

[@fmmirel]

It would be interesting to hear, in your opinion, strictly discussing the taste, how close can you get with a 49mm modded Decent to the Strietman (since you now own both). I'm debating between getting the conversion kit or going all in with the Strietman.

[@LanceHedrick]

There is no way it'll be exact. A pump driven machine cannot equate to a piston driven. But you can def get much better espresso lol

[@fmmirel]

​@@LanceHedrick Thank you for the response! I wasn't hoping an exact match but mostly trying to figure out if someone with less trained taste buds than yours can get away with the cheaper alternative (conversion kit). I've only recently upgraded to the Decent from a Pavoni. I don't regret the upgrade, 6 years of fiddling with various expensive mods to make the Pavoni temp more predictable finally got to me. That being said, I do miss the smaller diameter, I found your previous video about aspect ratio to be 100% aligned with my experience. Again thanks for the response and review(s), much appreciated.

[@Kiaulen]

Best anti-ad for the Silvia I've ever seen. Way too much faff. Every machine made in 2024 should have a PID

[@LanceHedrick]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Mandragara]

I wonder what can be done with a Cafelat Robot

[@jons3808]

Interesting video, as always Lance! I think the Olympia Express Moca SD was optimized for their 49mm portafilter machines so they’re designed to grind a bit more coarse. Maybe why you didn’t like the grinder. I’d love to see how you like it with a 49mm portafilter machines.

[@LanceHedrick]

I said in the video i loved it with cremina! I actually bought a pair of those burrs because they're fantastic for small pf

[@jons3808]

@ somehow I didn’t remember that you liked it with the Cremina. I’m in Porto at the moment, any cafes you recommend?

[@Niklaskafferesa]

Is there a diffrence between CT2 and DE1 with the 49mm baskets?

[@LanceHedrick]

What do you mean?

[@lotechgreg]

FML ... Me sitting here with my 3D Printers in storage ........ I would sooooo have this NAIL'ed .... Oh, .. And, The 51mm deeps are where the economy is at.... loved it on my De'longhi..... $200 for ANY filter basket is ludicrous.......

[@Jeremy-kg1zr]

Seriously. I think you really might be able to buy a couple 49mm baskets and have a local machine shop chop and weld them together for a deep 49mm, and add a lip to catch on the 58mm bottomless portafilter, for cheaper than buying one at $200.

[@emmanuelvanderschelden9474]

Maybe a dumb question: but doesn’t putting a 49mm basket in a 58mm basket increase the flow rate?

[@Giuliana-w1f]

Why would it? The restriction to flow is the ground coffee (that has more height in 49mm); it's not a fixed volume

[@Phil_OG]

velocity is increased but not volumetric flow rate

[@davidlyons6235]

Raises the question I've been asking for a while now, do the deepwells of the Flairs with said baskets deserve more exploration to discover their potential and to maximize their potential?

[@LanceHedrick]

Oh absolutely. Like the pro?

[@davidlyons6235]

@LanceHedrick any one of them would work. I think discovering the universal principles between them all can be the first step. Then each machine can be explored individually to determine their optimal brew method. If that makes sense.

[@unseenuniversity9832]

One of the things I see cited when discussing wider baskets being better than deeper is even coffee extraction, and the top being more extracted than the bottom. Is this bull? Also the algo brought me to your vids and am so happy it did. Instant sub from this random twat in Germany

[@pauldaplayfulpanda3042]

LaPavoni gang rise up!!!!

[@catherineostrom7575]

What if the portafilter is 54mm, not 58mm?

[@PhillipLangenkamp]

I also like that this helps don't cheaper options feel like they have an advantage, rather than a disadvantage, with their smaller and/or nonstandard sized portafilters!