Land Rover LR3 beats LR4 in five points - Discovery 3 vs Discovery 4

[@dennij]

Hilarious, Christian on a rant about a product he actually likes, can you imagine if it were a product he disliked 😂 Vera, patience of a saint 😇

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍 You are absolutely right about that🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@TrevorCuthbert]

Christian…. In another couple of months, you will have THREE Toyota drivers following your channel 😂 I sold my Discovery 4 (to the Toyota dealer) and have a HILUX coming in January. I need the reliability (and less depreciation!) that the Toyota offers, for towing recovered Land Rovers and collecting Defender chassis’ in the course of my business. I can’t be doing with a broken crankshaft 250 miles from home, with a fully loaded trailer…. but I will continue watching your channel - great job!!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@TrevorCuthbert 😅👍 We just got back from the French side of the western Alps. All the local drive Toyota down there, now I know why there are none here in Germany. We just might go down there again and buy a Toyota one day. 😃🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@myuseronly73]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@philipbrown7196]

Brilliant vid you guys, had my D3 since new in 2005. Maintaining it myself all the way! 275K Kms and still going strong 👍😊

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Well, you are certainly one of our heros. 👍💪👊😃🙋‍♀️Vera

[@Dave-in-France]

My oh my Vera, it sounds like Christian needs a couple of beers and perhaps some Schnaps - he needs to chill... Love the channel and listening to Christian whilst watching Vera... sometimes she even gets a word or two in ...

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Christian is just really passionate about that topic 😅👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@arekguinness2342]

For 4 years I have not changed the appearance of my Discovery 3. I think it is much more beautiful than the Discovery 4. It has its own style and character. Great, emotional episode 👍👍👍

[@peterbullen3347]

I have 2007 D3, only Thing I added was 19' inch alloys and I changed the front brakes from D4/RRS. Great cars

[@selebalotsiu7139]

Neither have I. I just love my LR3 V8 HSE... I sometimes look at it and just smile

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Me too 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@gerdacoonan7250]

Well, no 'yes buts' in this response!!. That was a brilliantly delivered lecture on vehicle semantics, people in Land Rover are now probably looking at their feet !!!!!!, LOL. Thanks for the entertainment, take care, Cheers.

[@commander_lard]

Brilliant session! Particularly agree about the looks, when I see another D3 I automatically assume they are an enthusiast as the time has long passed where they are owned by non-mechanically minded people, now they are much rarer to see - it's probably a 10:1 ratio of D4's to D3's in the south west of england

[@peterbullen3347]

D3 has all the features I need, every model after this has more... More silver trim, more electric things to fail in 15 yrs, ?

[@stuarth43]

things rust over there, chassis of 3's are rust free here in Au

[@peterbullen3347]

@@stuarth43 they are indeed, I use lanotec on mine after every Fraser Island trip, still looks like new in chassis area

[@scaniaman93H2R]

South west of England resident here from Exeter way. Absolutely adore my early 2009 D3 HSE. It just does everything I need it to do so well. I also love tinkering and maintaining it too but maybe that's the mechanic and enthusiast in me. Great video @ LR time!

[@pathfinder303]

The early discovery 3 looks like a proper 4x4 ! I didn't realise the Germans had such a good sense of humour ! Another excellent video.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

That, Christian and Vera, was a cinematic classic that would make Alfred Hitchcock proud. Encore!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😊👊 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@mickbawn6815]

Great fun ! I think Christian should be an advisor for land rover design team ! Really..... thanks 😊

[@josephgittos3787]

Vera asks “why am I having your hand me downs” Response “ let’s do a KZbin video, you are actually having the better car Vera “😂😂 I like your style

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍 I know that. When he bought the Discovery in 2016, he wanted to sell my Freelander and have me drive his hand-me-down Mercedes C-Klass. I really had to batlle him on that one, thank god I won. 😂🙋‍♀️Vera

[@doneB830]

I’m a Toyota driver in Australia and I love LR Time.

[@siteseeing7150]

im a Toyota van driver for 20+ years and yes they are reliable, but im bored with them now, i have since fallen in love with the discovery 3, my friend just bought one for £4000. it is absolutely beautiful. i have started watching you peole to see if i can learn to work them myself, keep up the good work. Brian

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks Brian. Hope the Discovery 3 works for you. Not sure if there are many Toyota drivers who bought a LR3... You may be the only one on the planet. Christian

[@siteseeing7150]

@@Vera_and_Christian at least i will be smiling😀

[@ThatCivilGuy]

Totally agree about the looks. 3 > 4. I’m just not a fan of those taillights!

[@VaderWhoop]

I would never unsubscribe. I could listen to you narrate the progress of a painted wall drying, and not get bored.

[@davidmawer6859]

Just passed 400,000km at the weekend in my 2005 TDV6. Fingers crossed for the next 100,000km!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Wow, super cool. You are definitely doing everything right. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@wolfgangchristian4743]

hilarious! fun to watch. really enjoyed. I even love your German humour. 🤣 and: finally somebody who tells the truth about the looks. LR3 beats the LR4 by far. 🥴🤣 greets from Vienna

[@DiscoGruffalo]

Another great video. I have written a similar rant when I 'upgraded' to a D4 from a D3. A few points. I have had a D3 auto for 8 years and a D4 8 speed for 4 years. Both now are around 300,000km. The D3 has had a rebuilt gearbox and torque convertor, and the D4 has had a rebuilt engine due to crankshaft failure. Crankshaft failure is more prevalent in the 3.0 version. You mention that the EGR are more complex in the 3.0 litre. Maybe, and they are certainly a different design, but 3.0 EGR do not cause problems like the 2.7 EGR do. I agree that the are paddles are pretty useless off road. But you are not making a fair comparison as your D3 is manual transmission. Other than for engine braking, the paddles are not needed. I just had a whole weekend off road in Spain and it was in D 99% of the time. The HP8 transmission is superior to the HP6 in every way. Also, they just don't break. The D4 is 10% more fuel efficient, like for like. My D3 has given 11.36 l/100km over 218,932km. My D4 has given 10.39l/100km over 186,307km. This was a major consideration when I retired my D3 from work and replaced it with a D4, that, and I no longer trusted the gearbox. 110,000km later, the crankshaft snapped, but hey, I'm not looking at my feet, the D3 towed the dead D4 from central Brittany, France to Kent, UK for a rebuild. The D3 does look better, inside and out. The D3 front seats are better, so much so I swapped my D3 driver seat in to my D4. That fabric SE spec seat has now had my fat arse on it for nearly 600,000km, and it's still not torn anywhere and still the best chair I own. The grab handles on the head rest are a must too, if you camp in the back like I do. I tend to drive my cars for maybe 12 hours a day and the quietness is a bonus. I still look back at both cars when I park them, and I love them both. I prefer the look of the D3, but I prefer the drive of the D4.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Russ, sorry I just get back to you now, but we had been gone for a couple of days on vacation. What you have to remember ist that this is KZbin , and we are not sponsored in any way, we are not out to please anyone, but to report what we like and don't like about our cars. We get so so many questions, daily, about which Discovery to buy. And at those are these type of videos mainly aimed. Not at guys like you, who have already made their educated decission on which Disco to drive, and who actually know what commitment it takes to drive a Discovery. But I am glad you watched it and took the time to give us your feedback😃👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@Kiran-pu2tw]

Hi can you please tell me which one is reliable easy to maintain d3 diesel or d4 diesel and particularl model

[@in.miscare]

What a well argumented rant!! Vera is the Queen of patience :))

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍 When he ís in his lecturing mode, I better not stop him. Well, lecturing is not the right word, more like a positive and passionate rant 😂🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@WaldosWorld]

What a pleasant surprise, thanks for the mention! 😂

[@PietroH53]

We don't talk to Toyota drivers! We just tow them out.

[@obuyaachieng8933]

Very true ❤❤😂😂

[@ricllinares5929]

Then they tow you home😂

[@ONELIFELIVEITOZ]

Brilliant episode. My LR3 2.7tdi has a power tune with egr delete. The engine sounds great and launches amazingly. 373,000 kms. My kms are 9.7lt around town.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hope ours will go that long too. We do everything to maintain it properly. Thanks for your comment. Ours takes 9.5 confirmed L/100km if nothing in on the roof. This is pretty good. Our LR4 takes more like 10-11 but I push it a bit harder because it is so much fun. Christian

[@sanderdezeeuw82]

Again, a fantastic video! Love how you can substantiate your opinon in such an elaborate way. Not at all hurt by the video as Discovery 4 driver.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍That's great🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@andremorissette]

Man, I love your videos, honest and trustworthy! Keep it up, from a discovery 3 owner from Canada that uses its truck in the trails, where it's designed to be!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We took ours to the trails of the French Alps last week too.🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@1699bridgetown]

Oooh. Due to my bad English, after all I’m British, I thought Christian was saying Mole Crawler which I didn’t know what it was but likely something Americans do with their 4x4s in the woods. Now I know it’s Mall Doh!! Loving the videos from you and I think that they are not only setting the entertainment bar very high but they are also my favourites. 💕

[@broadsboater8946]

Love your work, really interesting discussion you should do this again.

[@Rickwardful]

Thank you Christian and Vera. One of your best videos! Much of which I agree with you. I have a 2005 (2.7 litre) Discovery 3 S and a 2010 (3 litre) Range-rover Sport SE. Both are automatic and both have the 6 speed lever operated box. We are having a few problems getting fuel in the UK right now and we have just returned from a 500 mile round trip. Because the Discovery 3 had more fuel in it at the beginning of the trip, we were forced to use this vehicle for our trip, which it did to perfection! Its Launch is very good and it will drive very happily all day at 2 0 more miles/hour than it should be. Remember that our Range-rover has the 6 speed box, so launches well. But according to the computer its fuel economy is about 3 miles/gallon better than the Disco. However it is much more of a bumpy ride and because the engine noise is reduced, does promote more “Oh my God” comments due to the increase of rattling sounds from inside the vehicle. Despite the horror stories we hear, together with the guilt your videos cause because we don’t maintain our vehicles as well as you do, our 16 year old Discovery 3 is and has been an incredibly reliable vehicle. What other 16 year old vehicles would you be happy to use on a 500 mile round trip, without having to worry about it? As regards Toyota - v - LR, there is only one brand of vehicle, no matter how old it is, that will go anywhere in this world, including Buckingham Palace WITH PRIDE. And it isn’t the Toyota!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

👍 We also just went to the Alps, almost 1800km round trip, without any issues. Now I have to got to Berlin next week, alone with Philipp, I hope my car will tread me well 😅🙋‍♀️. Our on board computer is almost off by 1L/100km. We always use the actuall data, liter tanked/ km driven to calculate the diesel consumption ( well, we use an app). 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@5591408]

Remember that the Queen does drive a Disco, maybe that was the brief to the NVH team 😄

[@simonjones5614]

Despite driving a 76 Series Toyota Land Cruiser, I still love watching you guys, and yes I do have more respect for the older, less blingy Land Rovers!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 Great, I do also greet every cool Toyota driver I see on the road, not many unfortunately. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

THX for your videos. Right now i own and use LR Defender 110 for my trips and to be honest im thinking about buying second offroader for my trips. After watching few of your videos I made test drive in LR3 V8 and felt in love. My plan is to bring back defender to stock and buy and equip lr 3 for my needs. Keep good work and have a great time with your cars!

[@selebalotsiu7139]

So how was the drive in the LR3 V8?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 You are going to love it, especially the air suspension. But I actually really would own a Defender 90 in addition. Might have to do some convincing 😅🙋‍♀️Vera

[@malcolmlane-ley2044]

Christian, I imagine you already did go on for AT LEAST another half an hour but Vera kindly did some good editing! Sunday evening would never be the same without LR Time. Good to see you lowered the seat belt top mount Vera, much safer.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

The raw footage was 1:50h. I started to loose my voice towards the end. Sorry for talking so much. Christian

[@overlandjourno]

❤ I am a loyal subscriber. My freelander 2 SD4 is now approaching 300 000km. Service every 10 000km and when I get back from a long overland trip as well. Just love it. Always wanted a discovery though 😂.. just to get it off my chest.. I was once on a trip through remote Namibia and a pretty new Disco 4 had broken down. Felt so sorry for the family and especially the kids. 😢

[@jmoney1674]

I love my discovery 3 even though I paid 5 times more in maintenance than what I paid for it but it’s not a common vehicle here in west Texas

[@darenqueeley7235]

Very informative another great video from Christian thank you Vera for making my ownership of my lr3 more liveable and understanding of the character of the engine thank you xx

[@ptman3]

I love how you positioned Vera with the Sun in her eyes...so you could claim "I didn't see you giving me the stink eye" for all the rambling. Plausible deniability...very clever. :)

[@photofervorphotography4997]

Loved my LR3and it's design (much better looking than a LR4) for me was near perfect but too many major problems made me think at 103,000 miles about upgrading to the latest 2016 LR4 I could find however lack of confidence in the LR3 and Land Rover generally led me to a used (but only 12,000 miles} 2016 Land Cruiser with full MFSH and I love it and drive with a renewed confidence - Toyota service is very good providing a 10,000 a year mile warranty for 10 years or 100,000 miles at reasonable prices. Sorry guys really enjoyed your videos and wish you well.

[@pradolover]

389,000km 2000 Toyota Prado (VZJ95) owner here confirming your assertion!!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@abr66]

there are some Toyota drivers (like me - land cruiser and old Lexus GX460) that LOVE land rovers but did not buy one because they are not mechanically minded enough. I love your KZbin channel.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@ymarhe]

I could listen to “Queen Christian” talk to Mortimer all day… lol! Love it!! -I have both an LR3 and an LR4. Love them both.

[@richardgraham7672]

I've been saying the same thing about reliability for a while now. If the 2.7 doesn't snap a crank or spin a bearing (which you have a pretty low chance of doing) it's actually a really reliable engine - 330k on my MY08 and barely anything has gone wrong with the engine apart from usual things like water pump and the plastic crossover pipe on top of the engine. Hotter climates (Australia in my case) see that piece fail more often. I've also installed the upgraded oil pump as you have. There are other factors that cause failure in the 2.7 - the timing belt tensioner bolt is only torqued to 24nm but I've seen the results of mechanics actually using a rattle gun to do them up - snapped bolt 500km later. Also the oil filter comes out with the housing cap, but if you install it back the same way you will destroy the engine as you are not locating the bypass in the filter housing as required. I specifically bought the 2.7 as in Australia we have the Ford Territory SUV that uses the Land Rover single turbo version of the 2.7 Lion diesel. Can buy a wrecked one with low KM for a pittance. That was my hedge.

[@benlovell6659]

My friend. I am currently driving a 1992 disco with 450000 on the clock. Lots of problems. However I have had more Toyota's than you have had hot dinners and every one of them but an old 60 series has failed in a spectacular way. If you know the weakness of a vehicle you can make it work! Thanks for your time and hard work! Regards Ben

[@davehanstock9586]

I think the phrase that Christian was looking for at the end of this video is "Disco smug face " . Keep up the good work guys .

[@rogerjeck9281]

Absolutely 100% on the looks. never liked the blingy look of the 4. That said I like the seat comfort on the 4. So, would like a 4 with 3 exterior as it is a perfect piece of architecture from day 1. I love my l322 supercharged rangy, but am tempted to sell my lx470 lexus land cruiser for an lr4 that I would modify the outside to look like lr3. Thanks for your rant Christian as I concur. And thanks to Vera, you are a saintly co-conspirator for your husband. BTW you could disable the paddles Vera and trade cars with Christian. Keep up the great content and looking forward to your nxt maintenance adventure ~ Roger

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Roger, I played with the paddle shifters on my way to work today and they are fun on the road. I could maintain 2000 rpm and then the torque is right there. I think I was to harsh on this function. Christian

[@wouterw2351]

Best Christian Vera and Mr. Schrauber. In LR Time's latest video about the 5 ways the Discovery 3 beats the Discovery 4 Christian mentioned about upcoming "major repairs". I immediately thought to mention this video by Altblech-shrauber to LR time. When looking for this video, to my surprise, i found you are already in contact.😃 I had a 2005 Discovery 3 HSE, which I bought from a dealer in 2009 - full service history but far from perfect due to an owner who did not care. The body off frame work was one reason I sold it. I also maintain and repair my own cars, and your channels inspire me such that I want to buy a discovery 3/4 again. Keep up good work. Much appreciated!👏👌👏

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Yes we always comment him, we really like his content. Christian tried to convince him to do his videos in English, that way his content would reach way more viewers. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@wouterw2351]

@@Vera_and_Christian Thanks Vera. I think even english captions would be great, although I can follow what he is doing as I can recognise some German words with his videos. P.S. I think it is through LR TIME that KZbin proposed the Altblech-schrauber channel. I subscribed immediately.

[@josephzee]

Fantastic video, I was laughing soooooooo much keep up the great work so enjoyable 😉

[@VM-MAX]

Haha so funny. Another Excellent video, thank you Vera and Christian. I've got the Discovery 3 and now 15 years old. I love the car and is probably the best car I've ever owned and the most enjoyable to drive.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 The older ones, like yours and mine, are just the best 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@joeypineapplez]

Im a Range Rover L322 (BMW TD6 engine) driver. 170, 000 miles with zero engine Or gearbox problems so far. Love the channel, love your attitude and have-a-go mentality. I find with Land Rover you either have to have deep pockets Or the ability to fix it yourself and enjoy the task of doing so. If you have neither of these attributes you buy a Toyota.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

That's excactly our motto. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@tempestv8]

The GM auto transmission fitted to the L322 with the BMW six will require repairs sooner than most other autos because it was undersized for the torque outputs from that engine. Sorry to say, but it's a matter of time, not if but when.

[@joeypineapplez]

@@tempestv8 Nonsense. People have been saying that to me for years, 170,000 miles later and its still going strong. 😁

[@tempestv8]

@@joeypineapplez You have a good one then! :) I have the very same GM auto gearbox in a first generation BMW X3 3.0i (the one that most people can't come to terms with, with regards to the headlight design)

[@nickspencer9457]

One of the best videos yet! love the passion coming through.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@marksoutherton8888]

Brilliant Channel, I always look forward to Sundays.

[@wilko89]

If you own a land rover and are not subscribed here....then goodluck!!! Haha this channel saved me thousdands... very fun very imformative! X

[@pwatom22]

Brilliant. Now this is what I call a car review. Great info especially the section on Toyota. However, the 4.4 V8 in the LR3 does not have the timing chain problems of the 5.0 LR4, so the LR3 4.4 V8 is better. Also I've read it is a bit smoother. I totally agree with you that the LR3 looks better. It's a cleaner look as opposed to the bling look of the 4.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

That is what we meant, even the LR 4 V8 is not an improvement over the LR3. Ever since we watched one of the latest Trailrecon videos, we call our LR4 the Mallcrawler, but only because we have both in our driveway.😅🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@agcamprubi4544]

Also the 5.0l V8 likes to eat rod bearings and/or crankshaft for breakfast, ask me how I know...

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@agcamprubi4544 😅(it's actually not funny) we feel for you 👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@agcamprubi4544]

@@Vera_and_Christian Hi Vera 🖐️, don't worry actually my daily/work/off-road vehicle is a LR3 4.4 V8 with almost 230k miles and still strong besides the punishment, the one with the 5.0 is my Jaguar XF who share the same engine with the LR4. PD: I Love the channel ✌️✌️

[@davidmoegle]

LOL You and Vera are the best!!! Love the reviews. 😁

[@markwhitton8785]

Great video, agree on keeping the original D3 style, including head / tail lights. But I did recently upgrade my D3 internal lights to LED, and that has been a welcome improvement, much clearer than the old dull globes.

[@spyrostsiolis1960]

I've been following you for quite some time now. You are excellent , very meticulous, you pay attention to detail. You made me re-new my faith in land rover vehicles. EVERYTHING that you say is valid. Don't worry about the Toyota people and the people leaving negative comments. They probably never picked up a wrench in their life and they are jealous of your knowledge. Keep making excellent videos. You are so good at what you do, I would like to take a flight to come to germany and meet you. In any case. Nothing new here. I believe amongst other people , the germans and the british are excellent engineers. You are both excellent people. And you have a sense of humour too. Who said germans don't have a sense of humour ?

[@jonathanperry4189]

As a recent arrival to your channel... Fabulous in many ways.thank you.. You two, your humour and the topic. Which is cars and loving particular ones for the X factor rather than any logic. from a non Brexit Brit , also embarrassed about JLR longevity! 🇩🇪

[@Vera_and_Christian]

If you are embarrassed about JLR, then I would have to commit suicide for what VW did. Christian

[@vmax1399]

Vera is a Saint your a lucky boy Christian love the vids thank you guys . I bought bought mine as a retirement thing to give me a few bits to do it hasn't disappointed 😌. Handbreak job ,driveshaft bolts (previous owner didn't fit new bolts carbide drilling broken out broken bolts)Changed belts and oil pump as a long summer l don't need yoga classes just a chiropractor sometimes .

[@raysprott5493]

You guys are hillarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 BUT also incredibly entertaining and impressively intuitive and technical !!!!! Found your channel 2 days ago and have watched a lot of your recent videos, AMAZING job with Fabio's engine rebuild, Very impressed!!! I had a 2.7TDVS HSE D3 for a few years, the most expensive car (for maintenance reasons) i have ever owned..... But i loved it to bits!!!!

[@leemurray4095]

loving your videos. i like the way you approach understanding the differences.

[@bruceleroy1143]

I owned a 2007 LR3 V8 with the HD package and a 2015 LR4 Supercharged V6 with the V8 block. the 15 LR4 is finally the car that broke me and I will never buy a modern Land Rover again. 36K miles and they never could fix the suspension or electronics. But my 2000 RR P38 with 238K miles (NOT KM's )on it is my favorite so far with the LR3 as my second, it was a beast off road. BTW this is an epic rant and watching Vera giggle at you is about the funniest thing I've seen.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Sorry to hear that you had bad luck with your LR4. Christian

[@idlecolon7864]

An excellent piece of belly-aching, surely surpassing Jeremy Clarkson in its wit and persistence to the bitter end! :-) Well done! I suspect Vera is one of those who finds life, the universe and everything slightly ridiculous and continuously amusing and sees Christian simply as the local representative. I found out that the two thing you need to buy BEFORE a buying a LR is a decent battery charger (to keep it on charge when at home) and a battery pack (to start it when the battery goes flat anywhere else). There's so much electrical stuff on it that you simply don't need but which some focus group said 'Oh yes, that's be nice . . . and that . . . and that . . . and . . .' etc. A very informative and enjoyable channel. Thank you.

[@simon-mouse8739]

My mate sold his D4 purely on the fact that it didn't launch fast enough even compared to his D2. He always felt like it was about to stall or just not go quick enough out of junctions or islands and he lost confidence in it even though he had it from new. Lost a fortune on it when he sold it but he doesn't regret it. Great video and awesome rant. So glad you actually like LRs lol.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@Jorrie86]

This content is absolutely fantastic !!! It's like Arnold Schwarzenegger ranting about Land Rovers ... just magic 😁👍

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅 You are going to make his day when he reads your comment. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@wolfgangchristian4743]

Arnold Schwarzenegger has an AUSTRIAN accent. I have to insist. 🤣 Eiiil biiie beeek.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@wolfgangchristian4743 Yeah but Arnold Schwarzenegger is also so passionate. We lived in the USA the entire time Schwarzenegger was Gouverneur in California. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@TheDaf95xf]

Evening Vera and Christian. I could listen to going on for ever 🤣 I would never unsubscribe to LR times 👍🏻 Vera is so cute sitting there and hardly understanding like me but I still loved it 😍 Take care until the next video cheers Stevie x 😘 for Vera for being patient lol 😆

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍I get better, slowly but surely at understanding what he rambles about.😅 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@user-hg2vo2bk2btoyotaray]

A great video as always. I totally agree about the looks thing !! I drive a 15 year old Toyota LC120 but the design goes back to 2002 and its much better looking than the newer models 😂❤ loving your work as always 😊

[@OverlandTT]

Don’t forget this Cayenne S driver watching too (17.5 years old now)... and she isn’t a mall crawler either 🥰

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😂 thanks.

[@davidker7256]

Love you guys, your missus is a saint and always smiling and laughing. Such an adorable couple. Great entertaining content. Many thanks from England.

[@StephenPieri]

I still haven't replaced my Disco 3 since it was written off back in June due to lock downs, however I was contemplating a D4 but after watching your video I am not convinced...keep up with the entertainment.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

You need to test drive a few. Take your time and lock close. The engine is very powerful but many items are like a new wall paper only. Christian

[@norfolknomad]

You guys rock. Christian always put me in mind of Henning Wehn. Really funny!

[@ranjitpdavid]

So agree Christian with your comments re driving an old D3, it feels cool! I do get comments and I like the purity of it's looks. I bought a brand new one in 2005 and kept it for 6 years, and recently have just bought a poverty spec (coil springs) 2005 D3 and loving it!

[@kearnsey64]

Despite the fact that you're not actually repairing something, I nice civilized conversation is nice too! A lot of good information!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Yes, his work schedule is so demanding right now, we just don't have the time to do any meaningful workshop content right now. But a lot of viewers are really looking forward to our videos, so we tried to do a 'babble video'. And he has so much more to lecture and preach 😅. Thanks for sticking with us during those times. 👍😃🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@richardwilliams8667]

Brilliant, and I agree so much. Simple is better in the long run. Don’t forget also it is almost guaranteed the 3.0 will crack the intake manifolds which never occurs on the 2.7. An expensive repair. Point 6 you missed is the stock wheels are 18”. For off road and sand driving this is much better with better tyre choice. 19” inch is a backwards step for the D4 and now here in Australia owners buy aftermarket 18” solutions. Crazy. In city driving the brakes of the D3 are perfectly ok. Point 7 - the lower spec SE of the the D3 is perfect simple and stylish without the bling extras of D4 which is like a RRS. The centre console design is more practical in the simple version. Point 8 - unpainted black wheel arches, look better and are more appropriate for off road. Point 9 - the 2.7 has an oil dipstick

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks, I agree. I forgot about the 19“ rims. They make the tires to hard even for on road driving. The no-dipstick issue was serious for us as shown a view videos back. You scare me about the intake manifolds. My D4 leaks oil in the area of the Upper Right Hand cylinder where the tandem pump is mounted. So this could be the valve cover 😳😳😩😩? Body color Painted arches suck. I got them. Mall crawler look. Advantage is, they can be coated easily. Thanks. Christian

[@juangiraldo1161]

I have less than a week following you and l really like your channel even though I’m a Toyota and Honda driver.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍💪🙋‍♀️Vera

[@barrydavis1751]

Hi Barry from Australia when the Discovery 4 came over here it was fitted with the 2.7engine because the 3.0 was so unreliable even now they say don't buy the 3.0

[@FernandoSchulman]

Hi Fernando from Brazil. In the beginning of the Disco 4 they fitted it also with the 2.7 engine here. I bought the one with this engine. So less problems and no tractor (Toyota) driver makes me look at my shoes. Lol

[@andrewrees5426]

I feel exhausted after that! Still here though, great channel, everyone needs a rant now and then. I prefer my D4 over my D3, I do a lot of towing, the D4 is in a class of its own with a heavy trailer on.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Never towed with the LR4. I towed the full 3.5 tons with the LR3. Small gear required when the road climbs. Quite exciting. Sorry to post such a exhausting story. Christian

[@ptroman1]

Christian & Vera, as a Diehard LR3 /Land Rover Series IIa, I have to agree with Benny, so True. Love your show. :)

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😊👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@KangoV]

Just subscribed. Excellent channel. I've had my D3 for 12 years now (it's 14 years old). Just re-calibrated the suspension this weekend with my new IID tool. I love my D3 :)

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 twelve years, wow. We had our Freelander for 11 years. But I am planing on keeping our D3 forever. 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@mattberry-smith3544]

Love your videos! I have been looking to buy a 2015-2016 SDV6 for some time and watching the prices increase over that time. Think I'll include the TDV6 in my searches from now on and the LR3s as well. Been driving a Muscedes (MUSSO with Mercedes running gear) 2006 for several years and wanting to drive a vehicle with some refinement now albeit that the Muscedes has never let me down. You both have certainly given me some sausages for thought. Thank you!

[@shanemcsweeney6628]

I got a landcruiser because it was so reliable, 2 months later I had to recondition the gearbox and new clutch and flywheel. Now I'm here debating in my mind should I buy a disco 4 or not 😂

[@danhayes3546]

I did up grade to the discovery 4 rear lights and grill but I love the style of the discovery 3 grill better 👍great video ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@arteles]

Hi, I'm one of Toyota driver subscribing you channel. I like LR3 too but chosen LC120.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

👍😃 Cool, we actually try to test drive a Toyota LC, but no dealer can actually supply any Land Cruiser. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@anthonyabira]

Makes 2 of us @Artur, I have an ex-UK LC4 J120 but my heart is in love with the LR3 that my brother can't stop talking about.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@anthonyabira 😃👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@grahamclifton5849]

Wow fantastic rant Christian, but I have to correct you on the best soundtrack from under a landrover bonnet, my mildly tuned td5 10p, 190bhp & 400lb ft of torque is like an angel singing on a Sunday morning. But you're right in not changing a D3 to look like a D4. It's like D2 Owners who change the headlights on a preface lift model, why ! You just need better bulbs 💡 Rant over, keep the videos coming & the queen's butler is loving all the attention from you 👸👨‍💼

[@Mr_Springy]

Another good video Christian & Vera. The question you don’t answer though is “if the Toyota’s are so reliable, why don’t you see lots of old ones when you’re out driving?” Answer, “nobody cares enough about them to keep them running!” That and rust of course!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍 Here in Germany, Toyota offroaders and overlanders are just not commonly used as daily drivers. You never, ever see them on the road and we do not have any contact with Toyota drivers. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@overlandi5056]

...... If you look back in time to when Land Rover had just the mighty Defender and the "luxury" Classic Ranger Rover. The users of these vehicles were the Farmer (and emergency services inc. military) and the off road enthusiast utilizing the Defender. The Range Rover was the vehicle of the Rich and Famous. The good old Farmer wanted something more luxurious than the Defender but could not afford the Range Rover. so, in time Land Rover came up with the Discovery and it was nearly packaged to fit right in the middle between the Defender and the Range Rover; this is what made the early Discovery's D1 and D2 a huge success. Then Land Rover came up with the D3, a natural progression to rhe aging D2, but this it as at neatly in the middle of the line up of Defender, Discovery and Range Rover. When Land Rover introduced the D4, I feel they commenced a significant shift to one side of the line up. No longer did the Discovery sit in the middle, it now took some of the territory held traditionally by the Range Rover. Of course the D5 has done this even more and in my view the D5 is not worth a light especially in an off road environment. I know, I tested one in Africa a few times and it could not go any of the places my D3 would go. (I will come back to the D5 later). Nqw, with D4 sat as it did, it took up sales traditionally held by Range Rover leaving a vacume in sales of those wanting a slightly more luxury vehicle than the Defender. Of course Land Rover have tried to rectify this void with the introduction of the New Defender (a huge mistake in n my opinion). Christian is right in so many ways about the D3 being a better vehicle than the D4. The D4 is softer in suspension etc. Just take time to check out the gallery pressures on the air suspension between the D3 and D4. The seats are not as robust on the D4. I've driven both the D3 and D4 off road in some pretty hectic conditions in Africa and in my experience, the D3 performed much better. Yes, the D4 has terrain response 2 which activates a little quicker than that in the D3, but that is not always a good thing. Yes the rear diff (electronic) on the D4 is a little bigger and stronger than that on the D3. The crank issues on the Diesel are still much the same as they have always been. Interesting that Land Rover never sold the D3 or D4 diesel in the North American market, I think this is because Land Rover knew about the crank issues and foresaw that in North America, that Ford Engine, would result in class legal actions. Many people are now getting some serious mileage out of the diesel D3's. Historically, the manufacturer of the D3 and D4's gearbox - ZF have pretty much only had trouble with their gearboxes fitted to the diesel variants of the D3 and D4. The V8 engines in the D3 and D4 have a different programming in the gearboxes. This I have heard directly from ZF. The D4 did ease some of the gremlins in the D3, but with a little bit of work and time, those gremlins in the D3 can be fixed and eradicated. I'm with Christian, the D3 is a better vehicle than the D4. Returning to the D5 topic. The. D5 does have some trick things about it. But it is let down in an off road battle ground by its wheel sizes. To drop down to 18" wheels, you need to replace the brakes fitting brakes and calipers from a D3 V8. You cannot put a winch on the front of a D5 either, not less you want to risk bending the chassis. It can only go on the rear, a lot of help that is!!!! I have travelled over 60,000km off road in Africa in our D3 V8 (weighing in at over 4,000kgs) and towing a 1,500kg trailer. My D3 was generally faultless. I got 6km/l in the Central Khalahari in the wet season with mud everywhere. In deep sand, I got 3km/l as does pretty much everyone diesel and petrol alike. Would I go for a D4 over a D3, the simple answer is no.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Ivan, I appreciate your feedback. You have so much more real world experience that I. I get my information by working on the cars and internet research. You got it from actual driving. The long term model lineup of Landrover is great I think. Yes, the new Defender is really an other new Discovery. Old Defender owners may have a opportunity in the new Ineos. Hope to talk to you again. Christian

[@overlandi5056]

@@Vera_and_Christian I think the Ineos will out sell the New Defender (Discovery from Land Rover).

[@kimmohietala5359]

I can't stop watching these videos and I don't even drive a 4WD 😂

[@markwhitton8785]

Love your videos guys, could listen to Christian all day. He reminds me of a slimmer version of the awesome mechanic in Transporter 3. Have had my D3 since new (build 2009), no signficant mechanical showstoppers thus far, still going very nicely with 309km on the clock! Changing out the electronic handbrake module in a few weeks, will cost about A$1,700 for the part, and ~$700 for the labour. Happy to hear any alternative thoughts on that scenario. Like how you've maxmised the sunshine in your D4 with 3 roof windows!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Check out our EPB Modul repair from 1.5 years back. Thanks, Christian

[@markwhitton8785]

@@Vera_and_Christian Cheers Christian, will do.

[@davidmscott4409]

Great video guys! I always like to hear you opinion from Germany!

[@TheJjonesyy]

The sound of a 4.0 sounds awesome also

[@BlAdYAdv]

I was the owner of an Audi 2.0 TSI B8 230 HP Allroad, and there was also a problem with the launch. I suppose it's an issue with the transmission and software, and that's it. Of course, in an Audi, there’s a procedure for a proper launch using the gas pedal and brake simultaneously, but I didn't have the chance to check it because someone stole it :D

[@merseybeat1963]

Merry Christmas Christian and Vera : )

[@barnan922]

Super Episode! I love all you made :-). D1 300tdi and D3 2.7TDV6 owner.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Cool 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@markrigby9588]

Paddles good for down shifting when towing down hill to maintain slower speed. Also when entering a corner the autobox does not know you are about to accelerate after the corner. So let the car settle as you approach then use the paddle to select 1 gear lower just before the corner. This reduces the lag as you accelerate out of the bend. (Info from a UK police advanced driver who has used 3 and 4)

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Yes, on road driving with the shifters is great. The engine holds the rpm and then the 600Nm kick in instantaneous. Christian

[@mattpepper1143]

Your so correct about the symbiosis relationship between landrovers and their owners, after 28 years of Land Rover ownership (and ive owned them all) I went backwards to drive a discovery 2, its totally standard and I have lovingly refurbished the car, the looks I get in it surprise me. I think its because people are surprised its still running. It’s retro cool. its my 5th Discovery 2 and i love it because I can repair it, the Td5 even though under powered by todays standard sounds great.. Im just about about to spend 5k euros to import the car into Austria (nova) and I would of paid 10K! That sort of love for a vehicle would have a toyota owner looking at their feet.. ps. Your so funny.., Mortimer are we in a rush today?! Made me spit out my tea.. Great rant Christian..

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😅👍We would love to get a Disco 2, but as long as they are not 30 years old, we can't own one yet. 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@mattpepper1143]

@@Vera_and_Christian ❤️

[@ponytrishpip]

We bought a Disco 4 2012 3 months ago. Dealer told us it was a 3L 8 speed. Turns out is is a 2.7L 6 speed. Seems we hit the sweet spot in the Discoveries though. This is our second Disco the previous one was a 4L petrol 3. They are both automatics and both have a long think about it before they “launch”. Prefer the looks of the Disco 4 though. Fuel consumption is way better. Petrol was using on average 15.2L/100Km. Diesel is using on average 9.7L/100Km. Most of our driving is done on forestry “roads” and country roads in a hilly area.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

There is a 3.0 diesel with 211 HP and a 245 HP. Both have the HP6. Only the SDV6 3.0 with 258 HP starting in 2013 (I think) has the HP8. The 245 and 258 HP engines are identical. The HP come from a change in the computer. All as far as I know... Christian

[@pimpovic2]

I'd like to add a 6th point. Seat comfort. We owned an LR3 some years back, and were given an LR4 with the SCV6 engine, as a loaner when it was in for service. It was not nearly as comfortable as our LR3. Not to mention the buzy nature of the SCV6 compared to the V8. It was a far less comfortable car IMO. Granted we had it on loan for only a week, but I wasn't impressed enough to like the LR4 over the LR3.

[@leeloo21231234]

I must be one of the 2 ex toyota owners here. Had a J120 2009 Land cruiser Prado 3.0 Diesel. I loved that thing, but it got the point where it was breaking down so often that I lost my patience with it. To list some of the issues . Transfer case leak. Manageable, meaning every couple of months I had to check the level and re fill from time to time small quantities, about 100 g. Front brakes were changed 2-3 times, discs, calipers, sway bar bushings, etc.. it would still fail the technical inspection, nobody knew the cause. Somehow they did some other tests, I broke them in, I passed by the smallest margin, even after 2 years when I sold the car they were not right, the car would tend to veer towards right when I was hard on the brake on slippery conditions. AC compressor - dead - replaced with new. - normal maintenance done on it.. ( renewing the compressor oil every 2 years.. ) Electrical gremlin in the back - would burn the tail lights fuse non stop . This would happen on - off. Finally diagnosed - there was a water leak in the license plate lamp, water would accumulate there and causing shorts. That was due to a poor design and bad quality rubber insulation. Total EGR failure , of course during a holiday. No spare parts in 3 countries, wait time was 2 weeks . Had to drive 2000 km back home with about 100 HP. I would be flooring it and barely reach 100 km/h. Apparently it also has some kind of electrical thing - sensor and you can't just clean it, you need to replace it.. 1600 euro. The last drop that made me sell it was a massive oil leak . Did not even bother to check, it was not for sure the valve cover.. I just took it to a dealer and dropped it off to sell it, accepted the first offer. This by no means is a complete list, only a few of the bigger issues.. I exchange that for a new Hilux, the 2.4 engine, the only one sold at the time. Unfortunately the drive test was done with it empty, not loaded for camping. Terrible engine, the moment you had 200 kg of something in the back, it was done. It had tiny adblue reservoir that was suppose to last 12-15k km and was empty in 5 k. The dealership said it was normal, in the manual the normal distance was listed as 12-15k km but still they would say it was normal. Fuel economy -worse than the old 3L that had more HP and torque, about 2.5 L more/100 km. Somehow at higher outside temperatures like 35 degrees or more, I would say 1/3 of the little engine power it had was gone as well. The dealership ( 2 of them actually were not able to reproduce it , how could they in Luxembourg and Trier.. or could not find anything wrong ) . Sold it 2 months ago, after I came back from a trip in Albania where I had enough.. ( it was hot most of the time....) I refuse to believe that in 2020 you can sell a vehicle where you need to turn the AC off to get a bit more extra to climb a hill..... There was definitely something wrong with it, but the warrantee and dealers just useless.. So I go do a test with the new LC Prado 150 , the 2.8 engine sold i Europe. It was feeling like it was tuned at Nürburgring, because this is what you want from a 4x4, cornering performance. There is a class action suit in Australia regarding the 2.8 diesel in it.. So a hard pass and started looking at Land rovers... So ok, you have to repair them, but least you are comfortable...

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍 sorry I just got back to you, but we were gone to the French Alps. I really enjoyed reading your story with your Toyota, not of course that you had so much trouble with it. Everyone can have bad luck with a car. The engine of Fabians car is sitting right now in our garage with snapped crankshaft bearings, right after we fixed the HPFP 🙄. He just also has only bad luck with that car. 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@leeloo21231234]

@@Vera_and_Christian Thank you. I wish Fabian good luck, I have been in his shoes and it is not a nice place to be...

[@grahameroberts8109]

Well Christian and Vera, you can expect a flood of Christmas cards from Toyota but you will get none from JLR! Probably anyone who watches this vid will be turned off from ever buying an LR vehicle. However, should they buy one, having absorbed the knowledgeable information you have provided, it’s a case of caveat emptor. As for me, I’m happy with my extremely reliable D2 V8. Keep up the great work. 👍🏻🙏🏽😷🦘

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😳 oh, you think so? Sorry. We love our rovers and we would even buy a new one from LR. They are just too much money for us. We don’t want to turn people away from LR. Christian

[@jmartin6562]

Another entertaining video guys. Keep em coming 👍

[@Adventures-with-Ty]

Had no choice, it was the later D4 or nothing. Due to strict Euro6 regulations being brought into force here in uk cities from October 2021. Great video though. I really enjoyed listening to the comparisons. Thank you

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Same here in some cities. My vehicles are banned in some streets of my nearest town (Darmstadt). Christian

[@keithrm26]

My disco 3 is 17 years old still original with only 1 update in the centre console, I fitted an aftermarket android radio kit with a fiber optic MOST adapter kit and rear view tucked away camera, all cables neatly tucked away, looks standard fitted plus some light between the seats and in the footwell, people look at my car all the time.

[@keithrm26]

Also forgot my millage is 89k

[@completeoutdoors1]

As i have come to expect , another superb video

[@beebester4106]

I had to add another comment because I agree with you so much on the sound issues, my LR3 had a great engine sound. Sounds real tuff, did a great job with the exhaust too I thought.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Veras LR3 sounds 10 times better than my LR4. Unbelievable. The SDV6 just does not sound tough.