Learning to Squat Clean with Mark Rippetoe

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@BM-si2ei 5 жыл бұрын

I foolishly thought to myself that because they are in a wide open area, it will be unlikely for Rip to find something to lean against while he coaches. How wrong I was.

@joshuatate5671 5 жыл бұрын

Lol

@damariszuckschwert9489 5 жыл бұрын

Rip fan.. you mastered well him hihi

@connorw360 5 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 Lmao, was just about to comment that he's always leaning on something then seen this comment and burst out laughing 😂

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

@@damariszuckschwert9489 hihi?

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

@@damariszuckschwert9489 "mastered well him" ???

@AndyD24 5 жыл бұрын

Absolute fucking gold every single time, always so easy to understand.

@DS-rb1su Жыл бұрын

So interesting watching him break it down the movement. Fantastic knowledge

@Jason-bg7jc 5 жыл бұрын

Rip is a national treasure

@jeremyp5210 5 жыл бұрын

Rip could coach me through the menu at Hardees and I'd listen.

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

I'd watch that

@samivey8416 5 жыл бұрын

RIP is on point as always! And the demo person is very spot on with technique

@corey3077 2 жыл бұрын

Her technique in the power clean is horrible. She has no explosiveness in the lift, and hops with both feet to rack the bar. Where is the triple extension??? Once you leave the floor with the hop, you can’t generate anymore power, hence power clean . You must have triple extension.

@danielbuege1 2 жыл бұрын

@@corey3077 What are you talking about?

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

@@danielbuege1 lmao

@TootMaimington 5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic to see more olympic stuff on here!

@alexw.8999 10 ай бұрын

Fantastic exercise

@MikeXCSkier 5 жыл бұрын

Several comments here have said that the lifter jumps forward. Hard to see from this angle. What I see is very little knee extension and nearly all hip extension. This can be fixed in 5 minutes by having the lifter get in the proper start position. That means lower hips and the bar positioned over the 2nd joint of the toe. Rippetoe believes he has a better starting position - one similar to a deadlift with high hips and the bar starting over the midfoot about an inch from the shin. His reasoning for this is twofold. First, he states that this start position is based on "phenomenology" which is just a fancy way of saying that everybody does is this way, it was always done this way, but no one knows why. Incorrect. Over 40 years ago two Soviet experts in biomechanics, R.A. Roman and I.P. Zhekov, actually studied the most efficient start position and determined that the low-hip bar over 2nd joint of the toe. The Eastern Bloc countries took this stuff very seriously - this was not a case of "Well comrade, we've always done it this way so..." Rippetoe's second point is that his start position allows a more vertical bar path, and a vertical path is more efficient. From a pure physics standpoint this is correct. But physics and biomechanics, while related, are different disciplines. Also, it is somewhat laughable that the Eastern Bloc countries would not have thought of this very simple concept. In fact, they did! And here is the conclusion from R.A. Roman about why we start the bar forward of the midfoot and then pull back: "The movement of the barbell in this manner is more advantageous than a strictly vertical elevation of the weight. This action minimizes the horizontal distance between the bar and the hips, decreasing the moment force, allowing for proper utilization of the leg extensors. If a straight barbell path is used, the common center of gravity will be shifted forward towards the toes. This causes a large increase in the moment forces of all the working joints and a decrease in the bodies ability to create the acceleration, speed and power necessary for an efficient lift.” Did you catch that? "more advantageous than a strictly vertical elevation of the weight." You can find that complete article here: www.waxmansgym.com/a-technical-description-of-the-pull-in-weightlifting/ So, let's go back to why this lifter jumps forward. Because in Rippetoe's set-up, the lifter's shoulders are too far ahead of the bar which, as Roman said 40 years ago, causes the common center of gravity of the lifter-barbell system to be shifted forward towards the toes. To compensate for this forward shift in the center of gravity, the lifter must move the torso back behind the bar. With the hips already very high, the lifter is unable to use any significant knee extension and uses almost hall hip extension. This problem and how to fix it is explained very well by Wil Fleming, a good masters weightlifter and coach, in the following video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/inOaXoaMbbGfhpo Wil says that the power position should have a vertical torso, but modern Eastern Bloc technique, for lack of a better term, actually has the torso inclined slightly forward so that the shoulders stay over or "cover" the bar as long as possible. An excellent example of this problem in action is the following video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/poibqqycg5ukmK8 Interestingly this video is from a Starting Strength KZbin offering where Rippetoe has the lifter assume the "deadlift" (high-hip-bar-over-midfoot) start position. Someone (not me) traced the bar path. It's very faint so you may need to go to full screen. As the bar path analysis shows, the bar started moving forward from the moment it left the floor causing a big looping trajectory. This is a barbell swing, not a clean. At this weight, the lifter was strong enough to bring the bar back to him so he didn't need to jump forward. But put more weight on the bar and have this lifter try to squat clean and this will be a missed lift. To be fair, the lifter had a loopy bar path in the low-hip start position as well. But at least the bar path in his first pull was vertical. The deadlift start position just made this problem worse. I get that the US is not a powerhouse in weightlifting (although our women aren't doing so bad) and everyone and their uncle seems to have an opinion on how to fix it. But we're not going to fix this by trashing USAW and making shit up, especially when current lifting technique is actually based on science and not "phenomenology." Is it possible that Roman, Zhekov, and all the Soviet sports scientists tasked to create the Soviet sports juggernaut were wrong? Sure. Is it possible that with more modern testing equipment we can discover a better start position? Sure. But the fact that this method was described over 40 years ago and survives to this day means that whoever wants to propose something better has a high burden of proof and needs to have some sound biomechanics to back up their position. The bloviations of Rippetoe won't cut it.

@sgarnev9776 5 жыл бұрын

bar positioned over the 2nd joint of the toe. where exactly is that? thanks

@the_third_sun 5 жыл бұрын

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@metalmikebot 5 жыл бұрын

You beat me to it. I often recommend Starting Strength (with some caveats), but I generally tell people to skip the chapter on the power clean. He teaches the setup and the rack position incorrectly, and in this video further incorrectly states that a power clean has more "arm pull" than a clean-which is nonsense, the core technique for both lifts is identical but the power clean simply uses light enough weight that a higher trajectory can be achieved and the descent is stopped before the squat passes parallel. Don't get me wrong, I think that for people just looking to dabble in the lifts, this is probably fine. But anyone serious about developing technique cannot move heavy weight with that much horizontal force imparted on the bar.

@MSchmitz77 3 жыл бұрын

I went to an olympic coach to learn power cleans and I can say that the way Rippetoe teaches the clean is weird. This post is everything I've wanted to put into words about my grievances with Rippetoe about the clean; any olympic coach will tell you that a correct clean is not how Rippetoe advocates that the clean be performed. I also prefer to squat high-bar after having started out using the Starting Strength method for squats; after switching to high-bar my squat improved greatly and it's done really good things for quad development. Bill Starr is the truer voice when it comes to training. I don’t dislike Rippetoe though, what he says otherwise is still very important in the crusade against broscience.

@danielbuege1 2 жыл бұрын

5:15 I've never heard it said that way before. I'm gonna have to start using that.

@ΗλιαΚαψαλης 5 жыл бұрын

Good job.thank you.hi from Greece

@mv7223 5 жыл бұрын

Hi from North Macedonia

@GypsyKingTF 5 жыл бұрын

M V skopia* u snitch

@ΗλιαΚαψαλης 5 жыл бұрын

M V Macedonia is only one.the Greek.

@mcluhansalem7547 2 жыл бұрын

Mark rippetoe the best

@scottmoyer3854 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video. Good instruction and execution. Those look hard af.

@freneticfanatic 5 жыл бұрын

Cool. Thanks Rip.

@barbellbilly 5 жыл бұрын

FINALLY!

@kennethemerson5548 5 жыл бұрын

What he fails to mention is that power cleans the bar is received above parallel thighs with no downward motion after receiving the bar. With cleans (squat cleans for non Oly lifters) the bar is received with the thighs parallel and below with a ride down to use stretch reflexes. Another thing is that her elbows are not facing out enough to her sides in her set up. The bar is going forward and she had to jump forward in her to third pull to keep from losing the bar out front. Keeping elbows facing out in the set up keeps the bar closer in the second pull and makes a faster turnover to the rack position. There should never be an arm pull in Oly. It's about strong legs, joint mobility, joint angles and timing. Just like power lifting there are very specific nuances that must be adhered to. I have all of Rip's books. Before venturing into Oly I did Starting Strength and then Strong Lifts 5x5 and became a beast. When it comes to strength and power lifting, Rip is the man. Not so much with Oly. No disrespect intended. It's like having a Internist who has been practicing for 40 years deciding to teach residents knee surgery. Two separate specific specialties.

@greenwithagun 5 жыл бұрын

Or possibly it's simply that it's a novice's first time doing it, and so... one thing at a time. We don't expect a 100kg clean in the first session, nor would we expect all the technique issues to be addressed in the first session. It's a process.

@kennethemerson5548 5 жыл бұрын

@@greenwithagun My point exactly. Get a qualified coach. I train with a USAW certified coach and an USAW international qualifier lifter. It make a huge difference who is coaching you. I'm sure she is a good athlete but when chasing PRs technique is everything. Practice makes perminent so it's good to start good habits as early as possible.

@MikeXCSkier 5 жыл бұрын

"Keeping elbows facing out in the set up keeps the bar closer in the second pull and makes a faster turnover to the rack position." Incorrect. Keeping the elbows facing out just turns the lift into a cheat reverse curl. "There should never be an arm pull in Oly." Then how the hell does a lifter get under the bar?

@greenwithagun 5 жыл бұрын

"It make a huge difference who is coaching you." It does. It also makes a huge difference where the person is on their training journey. And the approach and skills needed with an unathletic adult novice are different to those needed with someone who is already at 80+% of the world record, or someone who starts at 50% of the world record when they're 12 years old and comes in 5 days a week for the next 10 years. This, really, is the difference between a trainer and a coach. Many people don't appreciate the difference, including trainers with delusions of grandeur, and coaches with no experience of unathletic general population noncompetitive trainees. Rip once said, "We do not train the 800lb squatter, we train his mother." And this is as true for weightlifting. You would not send the 200kg bencher to someone like me to get better, and you would not send his unathletic little sister who just wants her back to stop hurting to Louie Simmons. All training advice must be viewed in context. It's a novice's first day. A novice who, no doubt, has full-time university or a job, a family and other interests, who will never be a serious competitive athlete, and who just wants to improve her health and everyday life. If you give a person like that all that stuff it'll be too much for them, everything will fall apart, and you'll never see them in your gym again. Likewise the suggestion of having her fuck about with a broomstick for six weeks.

@MikeXCSkier 5 жыл бұрын

@@greenwithagun For the record, while I obviously have huge issues with the way Rippetoe teaches weightlifting, I have no dog in the "general strength training" fight. I take no issue with how he teaches novices the basic barbell lifts. But I damn sure think the way he teaches weightlifting is wrong. But whenever someone criticizes Rippetoe about his weightlifting his supporters all seem to make these same lame excuses. "This is his method." "They're novices so we need to teach them differently." If someone comes to me to learn the sport of weightlifting I teach them correct technique. My assumption is that they want to learn the sport and may want to compete. I get that weightlifting is plagued by drugs and all that, but I love the sport and want to see it grow. The lifts are addictive. Most who learn the lifts want to compete. Start them off with bad technique and they'll have to break the bad habits - much harder to do. If someone is 100% only interested in general fitness and would like to add an explosive movement to their training, then I'll give them kettlebell swings. Studies have proven they have similar benefits and are WAY easier to learn. A general fitness trainee doesn't need the brain damage of learning weightlifting technique. Of course, many people complain that kettlebells are too light and you can use more weight on cleans. True. But if I'm training an 80-year-old woman, how much weight do you think she'll be able to clean? If grandma can get to where she can swing a 48 kg kettlebell for 10 good reps, well, maybe at that point we'll think of doing cleans. On a side note, there are masters weightlifters in their 60s, 70s, and even 80s, so don't rule out grandma from competing just yet. Bottom line: If you say you're teaching weightlifting then teach good technique, not your own made up shit. If you're working with a general-strength trainee who will absolutely never compete then ask if this trainee really needs to go through the brain damage of learning weightlifting.

@meesumnaqui7930 5 жыл бұрын

Learn squat cleans from back talendat. He had some amazing tips

@vegetapoundstone405 4 жыл бұрын

You mean Zack Telander ?

@jimmyrussell127 4 жыл бұрын

@@vegetapoundstone405 No he means the oly lifter rick "back calendar" telecaster

@ankitbrother 5 жыл бұрын

thank god you guys made squat clean vid, i though rip disapproved of it like HBS.

@AmericanTestConstitution 5 жыл бұрын

I would like Mark Rippetoe to talk about dumbbell bench presses and standing presses vs. Barbell bench presses and standing presses.

@Filosofuerza 5 жыл бұрын

I think this is a golden method to teach someone from scratch how to do just exactly what Rip showed. I don't feel like qualifying my opinion, as this is pointless when one is in agreement with anything Starting Strength publishes... let alone Mark Rippetoe himself.

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

wym by qualifying your opinion?

@mihailmilev9909 2 жыл бұрын

How have the years been lol

@Filosofuerza 2 жыл бұрын

@@mihailmilev9909 Starting Strength is arguably the simplest program for beginners to get very strong fast, with solid technical execution.

@Deadeyes2022 4 жыл бұрын

I disapprove of the title

@damariszuckschwert9489 5 жыл бұрын

Someone is good at talking but not doing. Rip is a trainer of its kind😁😁😁

@MeinNameistCarlos 5 жыл бұрын

This is what I love about Rip. It‘s so awesome that he is such a good coach only with his vocal instructions!

@damariszuckschwert9489 5 жыл бұрын

@@MeinNameistCarlos 😅😅😁😁😁

@TirthBArya 5 жыл бұрын

Students very good academically suck as teachers most of the time.

@Whitefang8128 5 жыл бұрын

IIRC he had a >600lb competition deadlift in his younger years.

@userer4579 5 жыл бұрын

Damarius Sucksquirt, an appropriate name for a person such as yourself.

@simplyhonest1581 5 жыл бұрын

Watch Jack Talendar teaching clean. he has much better progression

@rexybeamen 3 жыл бұрын

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@sandeepsmatharu 5 жыл бұрын

Rip have you had a hair transplant??

@kiril1 5 жыл бұрын

What for? He's pretty bald from behind.

@Dushku 5 жыл бұрын

Nuetral neck.

@corey3077 2 жыл бұрын

Her form is horrible in the clean and she has no explosiveness in the movement. Also, no triple extension, but hops with both feet to rack the bar. Once you leave the floor with the hop, you can’t generate any more power!