Legion Hype - Demonology Rework

[@DarthCoughlin]

all warlocks should just betray both factions and join the Burning Legion invasion.

[@ilikeanimeandhentai6666]

That would be cool

[@taavidude]

+Carlton Coughlin Naaah. I want to join the Old Gods Forces.

[@gbreadanderson-son8298]

+taavidude In that case you'd best go insane and re-roll a Spriest 😉

[@patdickshter5466]

+taavidude I always through the Old Gods were the good guys in some way. I mean, they saw that we are all pretty much titan robots always controlled and gave us free will, but we were tricked into trying to kill them and we lost their trust, now they want to murder all life and start over on this world.

[@jacobvelasquez4475]

+Patdick shter bruh have you heard what c'thun says? they ain't the good guys xdd

[@harryluckhurst9989]

Take away my demonic leap and I will flip multiple tables

[@surbluh2099]

+harry luckhurst I was beyond salty when they removed carrion swarm

[@RyanBM]

+harry luckhurst I think you'll be safe mate, it's a signature spell. Just in case though, I will lend you my spirit energy.

[@kristopherfernalld7665]

+harry luckhurst Start flipping those tables.

[@MrEngranaje]

+RyanBM Metamorphosis is a signature spell. D=

[@kristopherfernalld7665]

MrEngranaje I agree, to DEMON HUNTERS.

[@moyga]

I'm glad that you gave Demonology a fair chance and saw how fun it was Preach. Demonology was awesome in 6.2 but so many people never gave it a chance. It may have felt clunky and awkward at first, but once you learned how to play it well, it was one of the most unique and fun specs in the game. So versatile, active, responsive and dynamic, lots of tough interesting decisions to make all the time. I am extremely pessimistic about the pet focused revamp. As you mentioned pets in WoW are extremely clunky, especially melee pets. When we used the permanent doomguard talent in early WoD, the doomguard did a massive portion of our overall DPS that we had basically no control over, it was essentially just passive damage, meanwhile all of our spells did less damage, which makes players feel less in control of their dps and like our choices matter less. It also makes your character itself feel weaker. The funnest things about Demo were spells like Chaos wave and Demonic Leap. Now every time Blizzard comes up with some cool chaos themed spell it will probably go to demon hunters.

[@bullit248]

+moyga you pretty much just said exactly what i was thinking, it felt a bit clunky and awkward at first but once you start to get good at it, it was awesome.

[@1trevor30]

+moyga Just play the Demon Hunter then. Gheeze... it wasn't removed, just placed into a different class. I'm sure you'll love Demon Hunter even more now.

[@serieSPsycho]

+1trevor30 dude... its like someone would take your favourite specialization and totally change things that you like. i think you would be butthurt too

[@moyga]

+1trevor30 Demon hunter is a melee dps... so its completely different.

[@1trevor30]

+moyga So? Maybe it is Melee, it still has that same feeling you enjoy. You're gonna play it anyways, so quit cryin' about it.

[@MrSinxs]

What if the artifact skins change what kind of demon you turn into ?( with the same spells)

[@difficultr]

cool idea dude!

[@moyga]

+MrSinxs That could be really cool, similar to how the feral druids artifact works. What would happen when Legion ends though? You'd probably lose all the cool demon skins, RIP.

[@RyanBM]

+MrSinxs Gonna have to party poop. Changing the type of demon would not just be a skin change. It's more like a spec change. Like how Voidwalkers and Succubus have different movesets. I'm all for skin changes though similar to what Feral would have but you can't tie it into the type of demon imo.

[@Sighclone]

Good idea! Make the skin match the animation of spells! I like the idea of yellow demo form!

[@Raziel132]

+MrSinxs Demo locks lose metomorphosis in legion

[@dardi16]

11:10 you know its not going to happen. Demo is likely to become a spec that will focus on summoning demons and making them more powerful rather than becoming one them self, seeing as the demon hunter will fill that space.

[@Oldangr]

+dardi16 And personally, I prefer it that way.

[@dardi16]

Oldangr me too.

[@madsfrederikjrgensen7347]

Weird am i the only one that want Meta more then have more pets i just dont like that we are going to fokus on pets

[@АлександрКривенков-й5д]

+Mads Frederik Jørgensen ikr. Demo had meta for longest time, but now blizz decide to give it to DH, which is the shame

[@madsfrederikjrgensen7347]

yeah i know it´s sad we will lose the most awesome skill we had and how meny skills do we lose Chaos Wave Tourch of Chaos Doom Leap our Demonbolt and maybe more it makes me sad to hear that we lose meta it was meta that make me roll a Demonology Warlock in the first place

[@Detinator247]

I want demonology to be a spec that revolves around making your demons stronger. Perhaps demonology being unique by replacing meta with ultra demon cd's. I think at this point having meta as a permanent thing would be safe, it wouldn't be as powerful, it'd be similar to a feral druid going cat form. make the having 2 dreadstalkers talent be a cd like feral spirits, and perhaps make you're demonic fury go into empowering your demons, imbuing them with it. Lots of potential

[@Detinator247]

Cutkill22 That's what I was playing for a while, I really don't like Breath of Sindragosa :/

[@GrayFirion]

+Smiles There's Defile and NP instead, which makes for the "base" unholy playstyle or something like the "Festerblight" playstyle from mop instead. =)

[@Detinator247]

GrayFirion Imma get kicked for not doing enough damage xD On the server I play on when you're not fully Heroic HFC geared on your alt you have to squeeze out every number you know

[@aiti614]

+Smiles Necroblight is better on every fight cept for Reaver, Zigzakuun and Tyrant which aren't that hard prog bosses anyways

[@DarkOkie]

+Cutkill22 Unholy Dk's need to feel more like the old Teron Gorefiend ~ i really hope they fix this with all the Class revamps as A lot of the Classes just feel like 3 of the same spec with very small changes (Some are even only a name change) all we can do it hope for Legion!

[@IMFOzzyOsbourne]

We need a version of tame beast, be amazing to go out and pick out a demon you want to control indefinitely!

[@stevencampbell8361]

They want to make demo about the demons you summon, players want to keep a cool demon form transformation... add a Metamorphosis replacement to fuse with your demon. Grimoire of Fusion: an auto-learned, spec-only ability. Kinda like Grimoire of Sacrifice, you get the command-demon ability, but a much more powerful buff, and you get awesome humanoid-demon fusion models for each pet. You can fuse with your imp and gain enhanced health regen and maybe some spells get enhanced fire visuals or apply a flame-damage DOT, VW fusing could be a drastic defensive cooldown that also increased threat gen, succubus fusion gives you that melee knockback AND the charm, and adds a melee auto-attack that continues during spell casts, felhunter could be a mana regen CD with an extra CC ability, felguard makes your spells temporarily hit like a truck but be all melee, doomguard... screw it, raw single-target damage buff on top of becoming a dreadlord-looking hybrid, and infernal fusing is a massive AOE damage CD. I thought about this way too much.

[@Athenox]

Not being really serious here, but by that logic I should be able to turn into lich king to tank the raid for a few minutes until we can get out second tank back up.

[@m1nayondaime]

+Alexander Housley That really isn't the same logic.

[@Athenox]

+Nick Baars why not? if I'm not a tank but through an emergency op cooldown I can turn in to a tank and save the raid Wether it looks like a pit lord or a lich king.

[@MarcielMcMullyMon]

+Alexander Housley turning into the lich king makes absolutely no sense. Now if you were a frost dk and you had a cd that surrounded you with ice making you take reduced damage and increased threat for about 30 seconds, that would make sense. The reason he says turn into a pit lord is because a demonology warlock should be able to morph into a demon, it makes sense.

[@nathancasey7712]

+nathan folwler And a frost dk might imbue the power of arthas.

[@JFHardman]

Warlocks won't have a 'Demon form' I can almost guarantee that. They want to save that particular ability for Demon Hunters. For Demo I'm envisioning a kind of Necromancer type spec with insta summoning procs going off and waves of Demons. Turning into a Pitlord does sound fantastic though...

[@AlexanderForsman]

+JFHardman I want a Pitlord to be our Artifact weapon ^^

[@RyanBM]

+JFHardman I am also leaning towards this. Knowing what's coming for Hunter. I can see Blizz wanting to scrap Meta for Demo. I realise pets can suck but a zoo pet spec is the only thing left that we won't have in Legion. I think Demo will lose all non pet related damage cd. With the main emphasis being on maintaining your swarm of pets uptime. The big cd could be Enslave Greater Demon of your choice, with differing benefits. This would synergise nicely with a swarm of demons ripping everything to shreds while you are commanding the beef to bring the noise.

[@kristopherfernalld7665]

+JFHardman Yes. Someone understands Blizzard language. Metamorphosis, in ANY form, will ONLY be available to Demon Hunters. Get over it Warlocks. Blizzard will be reworking Demonology for this sole reason and move them to more of a Beast Mastery Hunter style of a specialization.

[@kristopherfernalld7665]

***** Here's hoping that Death Knights get more abilities and don't just become the new Warlock class... Oh wait, that DID happen. Same will happen here. Just like how Monks are not the same thing as Rogues.

[@gbreadanderson-son8298]

The only issue I see with this is a potential of a 5 man dungeon turning into a 40 man raid lol. Can you imagine 5-10 demo locks in a raid calling forth 10 extra pets each? I can see a lot of fps issues on the way 😁

[@tinyclangers]

Personally, I would like to Demo to not be all about demons or all about empowering yourself and instead strike a balance. Demo's abilities would work with the demons at hand, so something like shadow bolt will make your army of imps channel their power into you to empower the shadow bolt. However you can do the reverse by changing into a different presence which you empower your imps and they hit multiple targets with empowered fel bolts. With this idea there would be two cooldowns (not including dark soul). One of the two would empower you for x amount of time by sacrificing your small army of demons and in the process turning you into a demon, infusing your demons spells with your spells visually and mechanically. On the other hand, the second cooldown is a portal that would open behind you where five or more fel hunters come through and begin attacking the target(s).

[@Sighclone]

I'm the opposit! I'd love to have more control over demons, I think 4.2 was perfect! Swapping between hunter and guard mid fight was a nice twist!

[@Sleepgodx]

So my main has been demo since BC when we had Enrage Demon and that red felguard was our only hope, I have had faith in the spec and im happy with where the spec has gone since mop. It's obvious that glyph of demon hunting was demon hunter 1.0 with the 600%threat 400% armor and mastery going into damage reduction so the pitlord tanking idea is viable. Some time ago you mentioned hellfire surrounding your demon, and now your on the "summoning more" track... Holy crap thank you. With the artifact coming in we have creative potential for days with spells that could simply work like dire beast with short cooldowns and demons to manage with offensive spells like hellfire to interact with those demons accordingly! I hope we move away from being a demon and become the rpg summoners we were meant to be with a 'legion' of our own. Keep up the good work love team U.S.of'Murica

[@petercarioscia9189]

Solid prediction

[@antMANscochiey]

WHAT IN THE WORLD!? YOU CHANGED THE PUMPKIN CARVED MOGWAI THAT WAS YOUR AVATAR!? AND JUST BEFORE HALLOWEEN! YOU MONSTER!

[@AlexanderForsman]

I want the Demonology spec to have a Pitlord as it's artifact weapon.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Watching it grow in power over time in the expansion would be awesome^^

[@theavocadoguitarist.1823]

+Alexander Forsman lmao that would be cool

[@chrissaunders3706]

Keeping with the idea of a demon styled meta, have the core mechanic of the class very much the same with building demonic fury up to max then having the option to turn into 3 different demons. An imp that is focused on single target abilities, a felguard based strongly around aoe and a succubus that has enhanced CC mechanics with some damage buffs. The depletion of the demonic fury could work similarly to shadow priests insanity but have it so weaker abilities generate fury while stronger ones consume it with your fury continually draining.

[@Gr33nj3ster]

on the topic of derpy pets, blink strikes help with hunter pet travel time and could be dps increase even by sacrificing stampede depending how much derp your pet is doing

[@Jormungrandrserpent]

An idea for warlocks in general that has been rattling around in my head would be to give them "corrupted mana" basically they would have a much smaller base mana pool like 25% of the normal amount and certain "catalyst' abilities would trigger the corrupted mana mechanic. You generate corrupted mana = to 200% of a spells mana cost over 3 seconds which would be like normal mana but you'd use it before your base mana. Working somewhat like arcane mages, the more mana they have the more damage they do. Their lower end damage based on their mana pool would be much lower than all dps is, and their higher end would be the highest of all dps, because as stated below they are taking risks for more power. At certain points like 50% of your total mana, 80%, and 100% consequences start happening for having so much mana, or 'power'; linking into the theme that warlocks take risks for lots of power. at 50% they take 1% of their total hp as chaos damage every 5 seconds, 80% they take 5% of their max hp as chaos damage every 5 seconds, and at 100% they overload into a sorta of "hypermode" that lasts for 30 seconds. in this hypermode they have 20 stacks of a debuff that are consumed on spellcasts, after 30 seconds, they exit this hypermode and any remaining stacks of the debuff does 5% of their max hp times the number of stacks (with all 20 stacks they take 100% of their hp as chaos damage, this would hit through dark bargain).

[@Lycanite]

Meta is being removed from Demonology and good riddance to it, it ruined my fave spec! I chose my demo lock for summoning demons, I don't want to become one! A true Demo lock should stand back, unleash a demonic army and laugh, certainly not charge into battle and turn into one of your own servants!

[@PMilk151]

It's not just that it's not pick up and play - it's mostly the fact that the power budget of Demonology is completely out of whack compaired to their design budget. 90% of your skills and talents involve and interract with Metamorfosis, and Metamorphosis is AWESOME... but you still have the same problem as BM Hunters - half your damage is still done by your pet, which means that your mastery of managing your complex kit doesn't really mean as much, since you don't presonally do that much damage anyway. So they essentially made a demo warlock without the pet (ie demon hunter) and I assume that the demo warlocks will keep the pet side of things.

[@ethanwoodhouse9906]

+PMilk151 makes sense

[@RyanBM]

+PMilk151 I agree with you. To extrapolate that logic further, this leads Demo Locks straight into a zoo pet class something which they already quite close to but which isn't really in the game. This *should* facilitate a healthy exodus for the Demon Hunter class but whether this will draw in a new player base for the Demo Locks is anyone's guess.

[@MrBinky14]

what your saying isn't correct, demo isn't anything like bm were your pet does 50% of your dmg specially on cleave about 50 % will be cata then chaos wave then usually the iskar think as it scales with Mastery then ring, ring and the iskar trink can be reversed depending on proccs your pet does nothing eventhough the set buffs it. your imps do decent dmg if you have class trink but then again you wouldn't play demo St as you would play affli. but we will see how it turns out in legion

[@ethanwoodhouse9906]

Necro Arbitrary numbers aside, you understand the point right? The warlock pet is a focus of Demo as well as Meta, due to it having 2 important facets they both suffer in potency. Better would be to separate them and make them stronger.

[@MrBinky14]

yea i understand your point and it would be better if they focus on one thing and how it is looking now they are doing that, with the removal of meta and being able to summon up to an x amount of demons

[@Versudan]

I like the idea of having a big cooldown as Demonology to make your demon and you merge into one super powerful demonic being, giving you super enhanced abilities for a short time. Kind of like the old meta cross with the concept of an Archon from Protoss in Starcraft. That and the ability to rip out the souls of your Imps for short term temporary buffs.

[@Locust66]

Why does everything have to be easy. Can't some specs have complexity and take time to learn. Making everything so simple is what has alienated lots of the long time veterans in the first place.

[@anime_lover_4674]

+Locust66 wow is too easy now takes away from the fun of the game. I remember actually dieing in the starting zone because I didn't have heirlooms and the enemies were actually meant to kill. But I guess they are trying to get new players by making it easy. But I think if they went back to when they had lots of sub and looked at their work. And they might learn something on how to make it fun

[@kentuckyjones7242]

+Locust66 because blizzard realized.. years ago.. they make more money from casuals. its just a fact. masses>top 10%.

[@RichyRich2607]

+Locust66 Veterans? Vanilla and Burning Crusade were like 1-2 button spaming. Wotlk wasnt that much butter in skill-caps. The only thing was complicated, is snapshotting. Apart from that the game became more complex.

[@pockit5107]

+Locust66 What sucks is that demo wasn't even hard this expac to begin with. It was way harder in MoP when DoT snapshotting still existed and you had to micro manage the lei shen trinket for all of ToT. Blizzard is reworking demonology because they want demon hunters to have meta, plain and simple.

[@joshyman221]

+RichyRich2607 and ferals still have snapshotting (to some extent)

[@Trinity0809]

am i the only one who liked doombolt and it's playstyle? because the big damage and the visuals were awesome, and what i don't like was the playstyle without, which is spam shadowbolt until you have full fury and 10 molten cores(and keep up the dots ofc) with doombolt you can use your soulfire outside of meta, so you actually have 2 spells to alternate, which is less boring. and for the tank thing, there was a method, the glyph they removed, were you were half demon half with meelie, taunt and huge armor. i was sad they trashed it :(

[@PowerWordFace]

You know what I really miss? Playing Demo with UVLS. I loved having constant crit dooms rolling on multi targets. Lining up snapshotting was the reason I really applied myself and got better as a player. Bonus rolling that trinket on my guilds first Lei Shen kill was the best thing that happened for my personal player skill.

[@RivenEnjoyer6897]

Demo is losing the thing that made it unique...

[@Taurus1337]

+steve vansteenbrugge I agree, this sucks.

[@myles7140]

Seeing as how the demons in Warcraft usually make deals with blood and sacrifice, I think it would be cool to have a new resource where you sacrifice your own health or the health of an enemy. For example when you engage in combat, a new resource will start, similar to rage. It will start to build up with blood you've collected, your enslaved demons blood, and your blood. New abilities will be added, stronger ones costing more sacrifice. Like summoning certain demons temporarily for their utility and short term busrt -Summon forth a wave of felhounds to attack your enemy and silence them in AoE. (medium amount of sacrifice) -Summon a pitlord that immediately charges your enemy and removes magic effects. (large amount of blood -Summon a *Super Voidwalker* That begins to create a black hole around it, preventing enemies from escaping (X amount of sacrifice) Demonology will more than likely end up like how Unholy Death Knights went; the only one to command a pet permanently. Destruction and Affliction will probably have a demonic summoning cooldown.

[@songbirdo]

Since watching the vanilla opening cinematic, I've wanted to control an infernal as a pet. Then I discovered that was possible, but only for a short amount of time. Lore-wise: Why? Because you're level 100 and a super powerful warlock, apparently. The other thing I've wanted since I discovered Demonology was 100% uptime of metamorphosis, similar to the druids' ability to remain shape-shifted at all times. Changing it from a CD-based ability to whenever you want/have the fury was a good change, but I still want 100% up time!Will becoming level 110 in Legion bring us the power to maintain demon form indefinitely? *crosses fingers* The 100% metamorphosis would also reduce confusion as you'd only use one set of abilities, not two as it is now. This is similar to when it was a cooldown, your normal spells just got more powerful, except it would be the new demon-equivalent abilities. The simplification to Warlocks over the years have made sense: --- Why does Destruction need to maintain three dots? Destro used to cast Corruption and Agony/Doom as a part of it's rotation. --- Why does Affliction need to cast Soul Fire? Because it used to give a huge haste? buff back in Cata! --- Soul shards were for all specs (before demonic fury and burning embers were introduced), basically used solely to cast instant Soul Fire for the above-mentioned buff--- Single person Soul Well casting introduced in MoP (used to take three people)--- Soulstone casting on dead bodies (as brez), used to be only castable on alive people. But, I am sad they removed some of our abilities: Siphon Life (before my time, but moar dots!), all the curses, Shadowflame, Fel Flame, Shadow/nether ward, Dark Intent (the original), Fire/Spell Stones, almost lost unending breath for a while there, too... I know I'm forgetting some...

[@thatguy1898]

i think a really cool idea for reworking demonology is becoming your current pet that you have active, and it follows the same format as the current demon does, with only a few abilities, allowing for the demon hunters to have the regular demon aspect and demonology having the many species of demons.

[@iceknights3723]

hi what addon is that for the health bar plates :)?

[@buhlayke]

Probably going to be a spec heavily focused on Grimoires, summoning minions temporarily or something

[@Dragaxa]

I always thought it would be cool to have demo be a spec where you could change what demon you turn into which would change your loadout. Like summon a felguard, merge with it, and now you're a melee char with some changed lock spells thrown in for flavor. Make which demon you have actually mean something

[@Baneriod]

I personally love the way Demo is now, it is sad to see it go. But I had an idea for legion for demonology warlocks. Demonology is about the study and use of demons and I agree that I would love to see more demons implemented. I am hoping though that we get a choice of demons and we get spells that interact with what demons we summon. Like if we get a Pitlord, it is a super strong tanky dps minion that we can only have one of, but if you dont want that, you can instead maybe decide to summon three felguards(or whatever would be balanced). Or if you wanted to have a pack of felhounds, you get those(Granted maybe not all have the interrupt ability). And as for interactions, maybe certain events with your damaging spells trigger effects with the demons. Like if you have the pit lord, perhaps a critical strike with one of the damaging spells you have triggers your pitlord to have a felcleave for a short time. Or maybe your felguards get shadow imbued weapons while you have a certain dot up. Another idea would be for the boring imp, your first demon. Perhaps after a certain level, you imp improves. Each spell you casts gives it a stacking buff and when its stack reach max, it consumes them allowing it to cast super spells or something along those lines with the ability to consume it earlier to have a shorter time of using it maybe. I also had an idea where it'd be almost like the BM hunter except each of your spells(Even your normal damagespells) Cause your demon to do something else, like maybe your basic damaging ability triggers a kill command like attack from your demon, or maybe your crits do that.

[@mendicant1981]

Oh and just to clarify, for demo to be fun requires good gear usually(not played much wod, but it feels the same since I just resubbed!)

[@Prenner111]

What addons are you using man?

[@cobaltaeg1453]

I agree with the visuals over practicality argument. I've been trying Boomkin recently, and when I was looking on icy veins for the rotation it essentially said "hurricane is shit, dont use it". I dont care if its shit damage-wise, you're conjuring tornados to tear and destroy your enemy (and in my opinion it looks even better if you have the glyph that swaps it to astral storm) and thats what keeps it on my hotbar. I keep it so if there is a time I can use it in downtime, just for the visuals, then its fine in my books.

[@chadwickhjones]

So we have the 'holy trinity' Tank, Deeps, Heal specs, and we have abilities that let us do CC, Buff & Debuff, but why not have whole specs based around CC // Buff // Debuff? Like, they could still do damage or heal or whatever, but mainly they would be focused on throwing the proverbial wrench into the enemy's engine. If some of the Legion classes are going to have one of their specs removed, then I think it'd be a good opportunity to keep three specs but make one of them like this.

[@TheChaosNova]

+Chadwick Jones as a demonology warlock since wrath. no. i will personally strangle the entire warlock team if they try to implement this on the spec.

[@chadwickhjones]

+SiegHeil I didn't say for demonology but it could be done for affliction

[@TheChaosNova]

Chadwick Jones it seems implied given the subject of the video.

[@chadwickhjones]

+SiegHeil the subject is demonology rework, but it looks like Legion is gonna gut it to give to DH. I am suggesting they could keep all three specs in both classes by having one of these non traditional specs

[@chadwickhjones]

+SiegHeil the subject is demonology rework, but it looks like Legion is gonna gut it to give to DH. I am suggesting they could keep all three specs in both classes by having one of these non traditional specs

[@daz3dak]

I would kinda like to see a pet rotation like GW2 has with weapons. you cycle out certain pets while the abilities of another are on cd. Each of the demons have unique abilities that can be utilized depending on the circumstances, like the need for heavy aoe or like you have said to tank for a short amount of time.

[@jaquanepatterson2537]

hey guys i'm just throwing my hat out here, i like demo since i started in MoP and a little bit sad there taking away meta but i see this as an interesting think about it each demon we have has a special thing about them the wrath/fel guards are warriors that can take down multiple enemies at once, the shivarra/succubus hide in shadows till fight time they can cc a single enemy and have a powerful attack that hits multiples, the observer/fel hound remove buffs on their targets and interrupts spell casting, void lords/void walkers can keep multiple targets targeted on them without even falling below half there health and the imps have a few handy support spells that helps there master in multiple situations and your mastery increases the damage of your demon servants so mastery will mostly be the same. Now imagine all these guys at your side through every fight all of them have the spells and abilities the plain demo lock lacks so it'll make sense to have all them with you its like you have a miniature dungeon party except these guys follow your every command. now to fix that little pet bug we could have a spell that makes all our pets switch targets at once and to avoid robot overload trying to manage multiple pets demos have more pet commands than the average warlock so if they don't want wait for one of there pets to finally take notice hit a button and they'll do it in a flash. so as a resource for demos might have something like nether charge its a resource that builds from your demons using their abilities and used for various powerful abilities like affliction and destruction resources they are 4 charges in total when the warlock is in fight and has build up four charges he can choose to either use them to unleash powerful attacks of his own buff/heal his minions or spend some to summon even more demons or use all of them to send his pets into a powerful frenzy increasing attack/spell and haste of each minion by 50%, just because he's a pet master doesn't mean he cant join in the fun. I this is just a spec idea i came up with a little while ago when i heard there changing demo so i thought of a version of it that would be demon master while still relating to its sister specs by having a resource gained a special way and used in special abilities its still has things to get made like glyphs and talents but its main spells and remember its just an idea tanks for reading.

[@tdmc6428]

Coming back to this video and seeing all the hopeful comments.... my heart goes out

[@Dambob]

I would like to see Demonology using demons as a resource. Kind of like imp swarm, but treating them like Destruction embers. They could be summoned passively (shadow bolt etc.) but also stronger ones through delibrate methods. For example, "Sacrifice 6 imps to summon an additional doomguard", "Sacrifice 2 doomguards to summon a pitlord". Obviously this would need to be balanced out and I'd presume that your non-pet/non-direct control demons shouldn't be permanent.

[@stuart2515]

I would like the Demonology Spec to be kind of like a Witch Doctor. You would have 3 Fel Hounds around you doing poisons, slows, or AoE effects. A Wrathguard up at the same time smacking things around, and 5 imps throwing fireballs at every thing. With a Pitlord cooldown pet. You would be a one warlock army.

[@maeevans4773]

'they need to add an animation...' said every shadow priest ever.

[@Derpaish]

My suggestion: Demonic Attunement/Demonic Tactics as the new resource. Works the same way as DF (builds up over the fight.) And you use it to summon portals that unleash badass demons to fight for you/buff the people around you. I think it would be awesome to have some giant Shivarra dancing around the melee classes shooting pulses of dark energy that buffed them with on hit Shadowfire damage with a visible glowing weapon enchant. Or a giant Voidlord to absorb % AoE damage from everyone with X yards of it until its HP is gone. Even just a Pitlord to wreck shit. Although it would probably end up with just an observer to channel a beam into you over X seconds to empower your abilities being used all the time, I think a change like this would add value to the class in a raid as well as keep it fun to play. Could have some immense visuals with a change like this too.

[@Scottistic]

Blizzard Announced in an Interview after Gamescon that Demo Warlocks will no longer have Metamorphosis and will not just summon loads of demons, like A LOT. This could change but this is what they said. The interview was video recorded and also covered at WoWhead.

[@grillbe]

all i want is the old talent trees and bosses designed around u haveing to spec differently so u can use for example fire and frost spells on a mage for different phases and shadow/fire on warlocks etc.

[@SharXxXxX]

what is the addon called that shows debuffs above the lifebars?

[@Edgewalker001]

"Darkness, hi! Wasssup? The demon hunter called? No, I don't have his number..." =p Personally I just want the spec to be viable again, and preferably good against melee in pvp like it used to be. Right now I'm forced to play affliction simply because I don't have the gear to do anywhere near as good with demo, and I'm already feeling like I have to offspec destro just to be able to deal with trash. But all of the ideas you listed are good. More demons to summon would be cool, time limited role change CDs would be cool, I could finally get to tank as lock and not have to hear that I'm only good behind a summoning stone =p If we got the ability to turn into a pit lord and tank, we could actually save whole raids. And the hound idea is also awesome, people have been crying for mounted combat for ages, having a CD that works like super feral spirits would be one way to add it, people would obviously call it OP just because they want all casters to blow their CDs to kite and then die to burst of speed tunneling but I'd be perfectly happy to have a "turn melee for half a minute and fuck up rogues if they don't cloak/vanish" cooldown...

[@nobady9752]

I will miss the old demonology, but i'm optimistic about the new one. Here's what i'd like to see: make demo locks basically be a gateway for a small army of demons. Examples: Impbolt as a filler spell - small damage and summons a wild imp. Implosion as a short cd spell - moderate aoe damage, summons 4 +2 for each target hit wild imps Doom a slow ticking dot - 1min dot, ticks every 15s for no damage, but summons a lesser doomguard to attack the target for 20s. I have a few more ideas on this, but i wanna know what you guys think :)

[@thephenome1462]

Wow, I really like the transformation idea, that should really be the thing for demo warlocks in Legion. And Meta is a demon hunter spell (in truth, only Illidan could really use meta), I don't see why that was brought to warlocks in the first place. But yeah, turning into a pit lord or a dreadlord would be very badass. Blizz, you have some work to do.

[@pi_314]

Given thematically I think Demonology is mastery over demons, I think they really need to emphasise that. I kind of like the T18 set bonus, I think they need to perhaps give us additional summoning buttons - e.g., we can summon a dog/satyr/eredar at (just for argument) 150/400/1000 demonic fury respectively, while keeping the imps as a passive. Maybe even just make it a single button where it summons a demon based off the amount of fury we have, so we can just fury dump as often as we want, or we can save it up to do burst.

[@totdud]

something id like to see since we dont have any dedicated summoner style specs make demonology focus more on that like you can summon demons sacrifice demons for stronger demons pop meta and fuse with your demons to have different meta forms that can do different things it could be verry interested depending on what bliz ends up doing with demo warlocks

[@HospitallerBiologis]

To be honest I just want demo to esentually throw demons onto a target dogpileing it to DPS. Similar to how wild imps kinda pile up around you. Esentually replacing spells with summons that target what you cast on and maybe a spell that causes them to target your summoned demon so you can esentually redirect your "dots" onto your demons target. You could make them easier to track by adding a debuff to the demon's target with the summoned units remaining duration. But like you said their pet AI is pretty bad and likely would have patching issues.

[@zeke2465]

what you were saying about the temporary tanking i thought blizz did a good job with that with dk's and blood presence im not too sure about other classes but i for one can pop into blood presence and tank the boss or some adds if i need to

[@_________lysergik__2315]

should they scale up the green fire questline?

[@DarkGrif]

So using the all mighty Google, I searched up the WoWWiki (Something I haven't looked at in a long time.) and found this tidbit about Demonology Warlocks. "Demonology is the study and practice of using and amplifying demonic powers and the ability to summon items or Demons, mostly using Soul Shards. The craft of conjuration is the primary focus of the warlock, and in taking on the mantle of a demonologist the warlock sacrifices knowledge in other areas of arcane practice." With this definition in mind as to what it means to be a Demonologist in WoW, one could see a ton of potential to it. The Warlock sacrifices knowledge in other areas in order to master the demon itself. What this means to me is that Demonologist are bent on domination of the Fel powers. So instead of using things like Shadow Bolt, or Corruption (Arcane Practices that are referred to in the depiction above) Demo Locks would utilize the powers of the Demons of the Fel themselves. Shooting out pillars of green flame, summoning forth a burning inferno that engulfs both them and their enemies, Shifting their form to a new location in a fiery ball of death that explodes upon impact, the list goes on. Heck, they could even summon in the weapon of a Felguard and unleash a spinning fury of blade and flame. If Blizzard wants to make a cool Demo Lock that fits with the theme of the class within the lore of the game, they need look no further than the very thing that powers them to begin with. The demons of the Fel. Look at what powers they posses, what abilities they have, those are the abilities that the Demo Lock should be channeling. If their idea to make Demo more demonology focused is to let them have multiple pets out, that just doesn't do it.

[@seatstaken1]

Is there a list of the addons you use?

[@joekerr9197]

Demonology will probably be where BM Hunters are now. Same thing as other specs but focusing more on your pets. Metamoprh is ofc going away and to the DH who will probably use it in a similar way Druids use Incarnate.

[@metikulous]

I think it would be cool if they made them like a niddile or grey mane thing where they can become their demon. so if you have a felguard out as a 45-1 min cd you become ur felguard(leaving a shadow of yourself behind) doing increased damage and being a badass. after the effect you return to your shadow and keep playing.

[@psi915]

A Small demon army idea would be cool, make it so you can have a demonic entourage with imps constantly phasing into reality as your spells rip holes in the fabric of reality. Essentially the Fantasy would be you are a Dark and chaotic overlord who uses fel energy to destroy your foes while accompanied by a retinue of multiple demons. Just make it so you can have a fel guard, fel hound and either a void walker or succubus all out at the same time. (you would only be able to use tactical abilities on one of them tho) Also instead of just wild imps maybe have it so other demons could also be pulled into reality as well, such as smaller hounds and void walkers.

[@KianaWolf]

TL;DR: I think demo being pet focused is fine by me. Meta as a long lasting but long CD buff would be awesome. EDIT: Riding on the back of a demon into battle would be COMPLETELY AWESOME. Felhunter battle mount, hell yeah. Or my gnome standing on an abyssal's shoulders. (I will macro it to make Giant Robo references and I won't feel bad about doing it.) I didn't roll a warlock until 6.1. I then power leveled my demo-lock from 1 to 100 in a week, loving every second of it. Except the meta toggling. Only time I had a reason to stick to demon form for any length of time was when I was OoM. Which I did often, because I just love going all out. Burn all mana, use meta, use all fury, then I have my mana back. Also loved that demons had something I could do with them besides saying 'go there.' Though I went Lone Wolf with my marksmanship hunter, because I wanted a non-pet gun using class. (I leveled her without a pet, just for the hell of it. Oddly, the few dungeons I joined, no one noticed.) Recently made an Unholy DK. I like that I get a stacking pet damage buff, but the pet itself is pretty boring. I've got a defensive cooldown and I can tell it to walk somewhere, that's it. Then I set up affliction as my alt spec, with grimoire of sacrifice, which I love, too. Though there are very few specs I don't like. (Guardian druids and blood DKs, basically. Holy priests a spec I like how they play, I just prefer disc vastly more.) Currently have nine 100s, a 96 and a 95. I love my alts.

[@Himanshudhamija88]

The biggest issue with Demonolgy is that it has it's hands in too many pockets. It has a cool transformation that increases the lock's damage, it has multiple DoTs (more than destro), and it has lots of pets. There is no identity to the spec. Destro hits hard with CB, affliction's DoTs melt faces, demonology....take a guess. The only real solution is to reduce the options it has. You have to get rid of atleast 1 of the 3 major sources of it's damage. Gotta have identity!

[@Cinders93]

I don't know exactly what they've got in mind for demo, but all I gotta say is I want Imp-losion as a spell. Based off the hearthstone card, you basically open up a nether portal in a dude's chest so imps can crawl out. Could really push the abuse, but I think it could be a cool mini-CD to toss into a rotation.

[@Tomentor285]

I like the fact that you put the good old PG outro at the end of the video, love it ^^ But yeah I agree with what you said about the visuals of spells, I play a paladin and I love the way how some of my spells look, but in reality they hit like a wet fish which sucks :/ I'm hoping from what I saw in the Legion announcement trailer that they are going to update the visual effects of spells because you know the part where they announce the new honor system, the way the paladin and death knight attack each other looked and felt different to me, I don't know it might of been just an over dramatic attack for the trailer, but it does make me hope that they are looking into making the visuals more cool looking so that we don't have to feel like we're missing out on something that looks awesome about our classes :/

[@Poglaok]

Am I the only one who would absolutely love to see Demonology turn into a tank spec? I have always loved the idea of a warlock tank and I think that it could fit! :D

[@weslleyalcoba]

What I'd like to see is warlock becoming a swarm class ( I saw someone using this word. Not sure if it's easily understandable ). Something like, summon a bunch of demons, they do 1 or 2 hits and are gone. Then you can start adding flavor to this. Like being able to explode your demons for extra damage or having a CD that summons a bigger demon that stay in the field for a bit longer. And you can sacrifice your minor demons to make it stronger or something like that. When I made my warlock, I was expecting a class able to do more or less this, and ended up quite bored by the class's gameplay. I can totally understand people wanting to become demons or having permanent summons.

[@Pduczkowski]

What was the move that flapped your wings and green fire came out? That was cool as shit.

[@ARCEUS493ZELDA]

the idea to makie the demon form permanent is a great idea, and it was a thing in MoP via glyph of demon hunting, i'd like to see something like that return if not the glyph itself

[@Kalmo_]

also a visual update to the warlock metamorphisis, now it looks like a dark blob with purple added to it

[@richardjones8846]

demonology needs to be more demon focused... pets and 'becoming the demon' heart of the wild as a 3 minute cooldown and changed based on talent. pit lord would be the end game of warlock powers.

[@dc1999ful]

What about transforming into different demons like a druid or something? I think that would be pretty cool, maybe even a melee spec but you can be ranged if you want to sort of like how old pre mop feral was with it both a tank and dps spec?

[@Anidem9]

I was going to play Demo Warlock a few days before they announced the nerfs to it. I didn't even touch it after I read the patch notes, and I regret not picking up a Warlock sooner now that Demonology is going to be changed.

[@DrPluton]

I'm one of those weird players who enjoyed demonology spec until I had to use metamorphosis. I would suddenly mix up spells and find that I wasted too much demonic fury. I would like the rotation of the spec to remain largely the same, but the spec should have enormous synergy with demonic minions. I don't have enough experience with the spec to really say whether or not they should even keep metamorphosis (since demon hunters are getting it).

[@DarkOkie]

Hey +Preach Gaming ~ What about a plot twist something like this ??? - Warlocks and their demons feel to much like hunter 2.0 and need a Revamp / change / addition (Warlock are called to the Class Hub where they find that summoned demons hav turned on their masters with the aid of Sargeras; Feeling the Titans power and new Death in the world Bolvar Commands Some of his lich to Come to our aid by teaching us a Way to combat these new recent events; Necromancey........) >> New Specs listed and based on the 4 horsemen (Yes 4 specs) (1) War (Burst Damage - Destrution with an undead Twist) > Proctile Focused Spec using Fire and Bone Abilities such as bone spear, Bone Shatter and Ashs (2) Pestilence (Damage over time - Affliction with an undead Twist) > Curses and Afflication Focused Spec using Bone and Curroution Abilities such as Blister, Agony and Haunt (3) Death (Pet Focus - Demonology with an undead Twist) > Pet focused spec using Abilities and Creatures of Flesh and Bone such as Hounds, warriors, casters and Blood Golems (4) Famine (Healer - Healer with an undead Twist) > Life Transfer Focused spec using life and Blood Abilities such as Blood transfusion, Life Leech and Soul Rending +++++ This will give warlocks a fresh look and feel also Moving them more away From Demons and Demon-hunters

[@bjrn7775]

+D4RKM4773R I effin' loove your idea! Though can't really see blizz doing that. But it definately is well designed and i would love to see it :)

[@RM-nf5eq]

+D4RKM4773R Sounds good to me, as long as i actualy get to play my class instead of pet/rng you could turn me into hello kitty for all i care

[@DarkOkie]

+Ryan McAuley Agree i think the Pets will have their own perks but you still play your class you could even wear "Bone Armor' and do Range or Melee dps wear you could Say summon 1 or more Undead healers and Tank something youself maybe!?

[@kalonin5451]

Perhaps make Demonology like some sort of fel druid, with different demon forms for different roles.

[@Flydroi]

+Jhaelira Isterath Different forms for different roles? Demonology is one spec, it has one role, DPS. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

[@moyga]

+Jhaelira Isterath Didn't Blizz already say they were going to make it a pet focus spec similar to beast mastery for hunters?

[@Aidose98]

+Cynical Inquisition I think he means like preach said, one gets into the melee and shit goes down, one stays at range casting and pit lord does some cleave or if Blizz so feel like it, tank for 30 seconds, and maybe something based around the artwork of erredar lord that uses dark powers to heal, personally I don't mind the idea of it all but it kinda has to be done right, Blizz seems to have a lot of work to do to make enough of the player base happy, I'm on both sides of the fence, I loved demo at the start of the expac because it was metamorphosis but I don't mind that same spell going to the demon hunters because that's what they do, it's not a demon hunter if they don't. But at the same time I liked the ranged metamorphosis where we cast soul fires and touch of chaos and chaos wave. Preach has made points in the video and like he has said in previous videos, people have some extraordinary ideas for certain topics in the game but Blizz can only go a few ways with a single spec

[@Flydroi]

Aidose98 I guess that makes sense. I have always been part of the group that thinks demonology should be based more on demon pets than turning into a demon. Metamorphosis would be better suited as like a DPS cooldown rather than part of a DPS rotation. Granted, demons would need a rework.

[@Harryparrydarry]

Love your hype videos, Preach!

[@badderen92]

Can you make a leveling video of Demonlogy in the Legion ptr/beta please ?:)

[@TrampyPulsar]

They've already given us the ability to directly command our pets in one way or another on our main hotbar. Demonology should have more demons summoned at once to make us different from hunters and even frost mages who have the best pet in the game IMO, and we should have more direct control of our minions via hot keyable pet commands, think having "Demonic command" or "Kill command" for each special ability, and give us actually useful abilities on our pets again, remember SL/SL in BC? Fel hunters were pretty much the MVP of that spec due to it being a secondary entity that could use actually useful in combat.

[@worldreaper]

Holya Preach demonic brofist to you. I wanted to rage because I loved demo but instead look to the future: - Why isn’t there a glyph to cause hellfire/demo aura to be cast from your pet. I think channelling stuff through you demons was a missed opportunity in wod. - Love the idea of changing meta into morphing into a demon hell yeah! - Wild imps being a cast ( not imp swarm )(think this was a mmo champ thread) Instead of having it proc of soul fire have it a summon with x charges and keep it on cool down to keep your imps out (Impswarm could work basically as it does now bust vs sustain). - I also like to see a spell like chaos bolt that very visual that when you cast it your demons casts another version of it at the same time, try to increase the synergy with the demons. - I would also like to see doom and corruption remove or doom reworks so it ticks and summons a demon like vanilla (imp or other small demon not a devalued doom guard) - I also agree with your point on demonic servitude removed its boring. Doomguard become screen hog imp and infernal was worse than a voidlord and again a screen hog. - Disagree with pitlords I think there just a bit too big to be used well, dreadlords would work fine Thanks from the angry demolocks.

[@josephryder5181]

I would actually love to see my warlock get a real tank spec. Using the Pit Lord form. Even the artifact idea is there, have us reforge Mannoroths spear/glaive thing. There could be some cool ideas with using your Pit Lord blood to temporarily buff dpsers as well. Would definitely need some fleshing out. But I don't see any reason you couldn't still have demon hounds as a CD and things like that. We'd be embodying a general of the Legion after all. We could really use another tank spec with ranged dps options. Especially with two new melee coming in.

[@Kipofifthsense]

I totally agree with you Preach. In my own personal opinion Meta should be exactly like Shadowform, and the spells it enhances now it enhances in exactly the same way in this new form should you choose to go into it. Think oldschool stance dancing for Warriors. I also think they should completely remove the permanent pets altogether for Demo in Legion and instead make them short cooldown abilities that the Lock chooses to use whenever, even summoning all at the same time perhaps as a burst method. Personally I think more summons and more interaction with the demons, likevarious short buffs for them or whatever it might be. It's a spec that could have so much flavour if they right creative minds came to rework it. Still in development though, fingers crossed!

[@juppejoo]

I think easy to learn but hard to master is the right way to go with pretty much every spec. I really hope they keep hand of gul'dan and leap as they are now but to be honest i'm kinda looking forward to what they come up with.

[@Telarius]

Honestly preach, i hope you become even bigger in the WoW Community, i've watched you for years (sounds creepy) Love almost every video, especially Drama time. :P

[@mullewt]

Reflective prism Preacher. I was always a moonkin protection warrior.

[@BruceWillis57]

Last comment lol. I think blizzard needs to do what you said with demo about becoming demons. I think that's amazing and really shows the lore of the warlock and what classifies it from different specs classes. But I think they need to do this with every spec for every class. Go all out with what their class actually is. It would Be suitable for a last expansion though, when we're as powerful as we can be and truly mastered our classes

[@TheTorridestCheese]

I just hope it doesn't become something like a BM hunter where your main attack is just making your pet do something boring. Meta is what made the Demo warlock for me, so whatever change they make to it can completely make or break it.

[@Zwampen]

I belive that Meta is going from the demonology to demon hunters and I would personally enjoy that if instead of turning into a demon we could just summon insane demons, different kind of demons like wild imps/imp swarm but we pull all different kinds of demons from the twisting nether and just swarm with a small army of demons.

[@robbiewilson134]

preach, do you have a video based on what you would like to see in legion? I know in all your videos you briefly say what you want to see in legion but do you have a video based on it completely? if not please make one!

[@lucass7696]

i wonder if they should go with the hunter route, so that warlocks (demo only maybe) can tame (enslave) demons from the world. maybe that would be interesting.

[@X3912]

Hey preacher love this video and figured i would tell you of all people that i made my first dollar streaming the other day adn im supper hype about it! hope i can end up doing what you do someday!!

[@SampoPaalanen]

I'd love if Blizz made the other demonic minions relevant, at the moment I use voidwalker and fel guard (well technically voidlord and wrath guard but still) and every other demon I have isn't really used. Also I don't see other warlocks using those demons either it's just used for demonic sacrifice. I'd to see more use from my Imp, Succubus and Fel Hunter (or their boosted equilevants) maybe have a talent that allows you to summon all your demonic minions as a dPS cooldown kind of like that one Hunter talent/skill.

[@revenge219]

What if Demo could just turn into any demon they wanted, change the level 100 talents to do the exact same thing except altered slightly. For example, change one Cataclysm to turn you into a pit lord and give you the ability Cataclysm, give the Doom Lord form Demonbolt and give the third talent a mistweaver type playstyle, you charge in on your Hounds and start hammering the boss and give you shadowbolt/soul fire procs. :3

[@lambo96gallardo]

Demonology was always my favorite spec, so I'm really scared of what they might do to it. But if they are taking my Meta form, I like the idea of transforming into one the existing demons for different situations. That would be seriously sick =)

[@Detinator247]

Looks like both Mine and Preaches predictions became reality (Dreadstalkers ftw!)

[@Phantom288288]

as difficult as this would be....I would like a demonology Warwick to become similar to the witch doctor in Diablo but with more control. have multiple demons surrounding the warlock. The lock itself has a few spells but each demon has auto attacks and a spell that it can use. like you would summon an imp that would stay by your side and cast your shadow bolts. Basically like you are a general of your demons that you literally command to do all your bidding for you. I understand the complications with this but it would be awesome

[@Theninja114]

I don't think Demonology warlocks will be turning into anything. What I would like to see, is demon summons, that you play. Not as a pet. So demonology warlocks have three spells. Shadowbolt, Soul fire, Hand of Guldan. That's it. However, they have another 1-2 spells, that change, based on the extra demon you summon. That way you're rolling through special demons to change your rotation on the fly. Maybe one you cast, allows you to do some mad AOE while moving, maybe one makes you lash out with the demon's power (movement), one casts curses on the thing. So instead of having a metemorph form. The metemorph abilities are casted -through- a special demon summon. Think Shaman totems, but cooler. A rotation would look like this. Cast Void Terror, gives ability to cast Doom. You cast Doom, then fall into your rotation. But wait, shit ton of adds? Cast Fel hounds. Pack of fel houds attack target and cleave. Need to move? Cast Nathrezim, it will cast an instant spell, that can be used while moving. Oh shit, Fel lord for some taunt/shield action. All on top of your current demons. So in all. Shadow bolt, Soul Fire, Hand of Guldan, Command Demon 1, Command demon 2.

[@josephstokes6189]

I want Demonology to be like the classical RPG Necromancer, the guy who drowns his enemies in a tidal wave of minions. I want Hand of Gul'dan to have a chance to spawn a temporary Infernal and for doom to always summon an Imp and instead summon a Doomguard on crits.

[@jecftw752]

i always wanted demo to be a melee spec for warlocks, where you turn into a doomguard or something kind of like the demon hunter will be but yeah

[@MrMortadelas]

I'd love demo locks to have 5 spells, one being "demonic possession". And then 6 action bars based on what demon you possessed.

[@brandonnaylor5698]

I kinda want Demo to become a spec that summons tons of different demons all at once. Kinda like having your own army of demonic servants. I can't wait to see what happens.

[@АлександрКривенков-й5д]

+Brandon Naylor Demon stampede kappa

[@brandonnaylor5698]

lel, using pit lords for stampede.

[@lyrisea1935]

+Александр Кривенков demon army of the dead? xD

[@brandonnaylor5698]

Something like army of the dead but they're all alive instead of being dead. That and the ability to summon billions of imps as demo does now

[@brandonnaylor5698]

But with different demons in there too like 5 crit stacks with shadowbolt summons a doom guard or something like that.

[@Sevantha]

I remember the Gorefind problem all too well. Never understood why people couldn't use those 2 abilities. Ended up praying that 3-4 people in the raid would never get it otherwise we might wipe :D

[@seenbeen1110]

off topic here but I think all classes should get very specific quests like the warlock green fire quests. Imagine hunters being able to ride their pets as mounts!