Let’s Talk About ”Incel Logic"

[@RabidSnarf]

I feel so sorry for the poor girl who was just trying to do her job and that weirdo basically camped out at her job and stared at her for a FREAKING hour. It is her job to provide customer service for people purchasing goods, not to mention she would probably be reprimanded for chatting with people while she is on duty. The lack of awareness of incels is astounding.

[@Toxic.Mangaka]

Hi, that girl was me. I was working at subway. That guy and his friend sat in the store for god knows how long trying to “sneak” glances at me. He didn’t attempt to speak to me until a co-worker told them they’d have to leave soon due to us closing. He was being “rushed out” the door due to this. And the thing he bought that “he didn’t want” was a meatball sub. I remember this because I remember being upset due to the fact I had just put the meatballs away and turned off the burner for the night and he sat there and watched me PUT THE MEATBALLS AWAY. If he didn’t want the meatballs he could of picked a turkey sandwich or something since the Turkey was still on the line. To top it off, he was the last person in the men’s room for that night. There was pee all over the floor and the toilet when I went to go clean the restrooms. This was a GROWN MAN. I still shiver at the thought of the state of that bathroom. Thankfully I no longer work there so I don’t have to deal with stuff like that anymore.

[@greenapple9477]

@@Toxic.MangakaGlad you got out of there. Parents really need to teach their kids how to be self-aware.

[@Toxic.Mangaka]

@@greenapple9477 I’m glad I got out of there too. I was underpaid at that job despite my past experiences in the service industry. I was working 2 subway locations during that time so I had 2 jobs, but since both locations were owned by the same family they’d only give me 1 check. I was not making enough to deal with Karens, incels, etc.

[@greenapple9477]

@@Toxic.MangakaMy god, what fucking cheapskates.

[@b.w.6535]

There was a review post going around locally (to me) where a guy was complaining that he didn't get to go home with a bartender. He stayed at the bar for 5 hours waiting for everyone else to leave, spent thousands buying rounds and tipping big so that she would see how "generous" he was. Then when the bouncer made him leave, he hid behind a tree in the pitch dark waiting for her to go to her car. Then he tried to "surprise" her by grabbing her arm from behind, twirling her romantically and bringing her in for a first kiss. So she kneed him in the balls hard and fled in her car. He was still on the ground when the cops got there. He wanted her fired, a refund of the money he "wasted" and more for pain and humiliation. None of it would have happened if SHE hadn't smiled at him so much and made him believe that he could f*** her... what else was he supposed to think?

[@LattePunch]

"So hitting the wall is just becoming an adult?" The more I hear that term and the random ass examples incels make I think that is actually correct in their mind. All the more disturbing.

[@santtu6930]

Their arguments and 'science' are getting to that point where you can't even get frustrated by it because it sounds so ridiculous. They are basically on the same level as flat earthers :D

[@kaymartin2807]

​@santtu6930 Exactly, I'm so tired of hearing the "WOMEN ARE MORE FERTILE AT 18, IT MAKES SENSE IN OUR BIOLOGY WE SEEK THEM OUT." No, stop trying to excuse this disgusting behaviour, if you would go the lowest legal age, you would also go lower. Stop being a pedophile, and start looking for women YOUR AGE. Women are also more fertile late twenties early thirties, so your 'biology' and 'science' isn't even true. Ugh these people make me so mad!

[@missnaomi613]

At least I can rest assured that my 52 year old @$$ won't be attracting that kind of creep! 😅

[@ViolentAurora]

The number of these guys who are actually just p*dofiles 😬😬😬

[@Wolfie54545]

“Women hit the wall at 22.” Human bodies aren’t done developing until AT LEAST 25 years old.

[@jaqsre]

shaming a former anorexic for being a healthy weight has to be one of the lowest lows

[@randomhuman_05]

Shaming someone for recovering from an illness, especially one that can easily turn terminal, is vile.

[@pumpkinpatch2203]

Fr. I just last a good friend last month to Anorexia. That comment was so fucking gross

[@thrymhowe]

​@@pumpkinpatch2203I'm sorry for your loss ❤

[@Ivory-f5b]

​@@pumpkinpatch2203whats Anorexia? Edit i rly dont know what that is sry if i offended anyone i didnt mean to hurt anyone im litterly just asking cause i have no fricking idea

[@dori_casper]

​@@Ivory-f5ba type of eating disorder

[@JennCampbell]

"Intimidating masculine aura" translation: she has too much self-esteem to put up with my controlling behavior and general BS. 😊

[@TophinatorStreams]

Yep, that’s how I read it

[@paulinachlastakova1620]

Exactly 👌🏻

[@nekk-ra7080]

Surprised he didn't say she was beastly or trying to be a man. God knows I got bombarded by that shit when I was younger, until it unfortunately overwhelmed me. Hopefully she doesn't let it get to her. I regret letting it get to me.

[@emisthem6562]

Translation: She has a brain and I don't like that 😅

[@exjester6574]

No , women (especially black) are masculine to a point where they are over reactive and aggressive with everything. Even basic interaction is a trigger for some reason , God forbid your ugly , they will make sure to give off "fight me" vibes

[@tiquaa789]

"You think someone would want to marry off their daughter...... to you?" Fucking got me 🤣

[@RandomSwiftie13]

I'm from India where there are a lot of arenge marriages still happening and the parents never give their daughters away without some really harsh expectations from the men who want to marry their daughters. The expectations and standards for an arenge marriage are much higher than whatever the western dating expectations are of the western girls.

​@@RandomSwiftie13, yeah, seems to me that having to also appease the parents only adds an extra layer of requirements? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@mariesoph2]

⁠@poor baby

[@sophiejones3554]

@different requirements, and the girl doesn't always win if it's the parent's requirements which matter most (modern arranged marriage certainly puts a lot more emphasis on the girl's requirements than in previous times). But arranging a marriage for your child with one of these creeps would just be @buse. Sadly that is too common, but like... yeah, my dad would've told these guys to f-ck right off, if I'd ever gotten far enough along with one to bring him home. Which is saying something, since he was hardly going to win any "world's best dad" awards. But he drank too much because of his abusive mother, not because he was a raging misogynist.

[@ltfreeborn]

As an "Incel" (thats what my """Brother""" calls me. An asexual. 😐😑😐), their logic is, at best idiotic and at worst toxic.

[@ReplicatorFifth]

That’s ace erasure :( your asexuality is valid and shouldn’t be lumped in with the fedora tipping losers.

[@keit99]

You're Ace Not involuntary celibate

[@Myder_Dragon]

incorrect logic. Incel implies "involuntary" (which implies they think they deserve something but are being denied it). Being ace means you aren't interested in xes, therefor its entirely voluntary.

[@teritt]

Kind of stupid considering you’re voluntarily refusing sex.

[@hnibuns]

honestly, it doesnt matter what your “““brother“““ thinks. just know that not knowing the difference between not wanting intercourse and expecting, but not getting it says something about him 🤭

[@danser_theplayer01]

If my masculinity can be shattered by sipping rose tea and eating strawberry and smurf gelato balls, then it wasn't there to begin with.

[@zerik_media]

For fucking real! Leave us and our fruity drinks alone!

[@tiki_riot]

I would love if my bf liked rose tea!

[@Overseer2579]

Yup. I felt the same way about men who got their panties up in a wad over the Barbie movie and called it ‘anti-men’

[@minecraftnerd2175]

​@@Overseer2579I don't even like movies, but I really wanna watch Barbie because of Ben Shapiro's reaction lol.

[@denkisupremacy]

​@@minecraftnerd2175 it was pretty good, not what I was expecting but a decent film nonetheless!

[@dboyedoe]

"Your grandfather was probably a terrible husband" is HILARIOUS. I gotta start using that one.

[@dboyedoe]

@@grenade8572 all that's left to do is not end up like them, you got it 😎😎

[@ianlawvoiceover1056]

I know for a FACT mine was holy moly

[@sprigganpanda]

My maternal grandma got lucky goddamn, he was a wonderful husband and father. He seemed gentle for the time I knew him, even though he couldn't remember us (dementia). My paternal granpa I have no clue, he died before I could remember him. I just know it was his second marriage and he was apparently a small man. He doesn't seem to have been abusive at least? He's not talked about much but when they do talk about him it's never negative, just not overwhelming positive like with my maternal one.

[@brigittedemers1607]

I know at lwast one of my grandfathers was a terrible husband. God I hated that man

[@BEPTYXA18]

Daddy issues

[@zhenia2511]

As an Eastern European, I can confirm: both my grandfathers were horrible husbands.

[@ichbinben.]

My grandma was a nurse in training and when she had almost finished her training, my grandpa quit her job for her (which he had the legal right to do), then they had kids. Later he went through a hard time because of alcoholism and didn't work anymore, and my grandma had to do odd jobs for neighbours and rely on the generosity of her family and friends because she couldn't get a job, even though she could have gotten one if her husband hadn't quit her job months before she would have become a nurse. So my mother and aunt had to live their childhood in poverty, until my grandpa quit alcohol for good and started contributing again. The people who advocate for "traditional families" may not think so themselves, but this is the "better past" they want to return to.

[@AIHumanEquality]

​@@ichbinben.When conservatives say traditional families they mean the right to control women and do away with LGBTQ people. That's what it's codeword for.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

My grandparents were relatively ok as far as I know (my one granpa died before I was born so I only have one biased second hand account). My great granpa was a piece of 💩. Drunkard, basically my great grandma had to work for two and raise numerable children which means the older kids got parentified (they had to raise younger children by themselves)

[@hiitsme2427]

Same 🖐🏻

[@jarenka3335]

Ahaha same. Also, the one grandmother who had decent job just kicked her husband out.

[@AspiringToFailure]

Never has "here we go again" been said so un-sarcastically by so many people haha

[@evelyncortus6357]

I’m a school-based speech-language therapist and part of my field’s scope is social cues. What Click said about these people preying on those who already struggle with social cues is so true and it makes me feel so sad for some of my students.

[@randomhuman_05]

Coming from someone who struggles socially due to comorbid anxiety & adhd (I often miss signs I’m bothering someone or crossing a line I shouldn’t have crossed): make your students feel heard, let them know it’s ok if they don’t get it yet, or if they can never fully grasp certain things. I’m out of High School and still cannot always tell, for example, if someone is joking around if they tell me to stop doing something, however, I understand that it’s something I need to work on😅. Just, make them feel seen, and don’t shame them for struggling, especially the boys in this case. Folks who feel supported are less likely to fall into this sort of thing. (Note, not a professional, don’t 100% take my word, but from personal experience I know that knowing its ok to not fully “get” something can help with that feeling of trying to find a “solution”, in this case, falling down gross misogynistic rabbit holes)

[@LydiaDeKett]

As someone who struggles with social cues and connecting with people in the real world, do you have any tips for connecting and learning social cues?

[@hailyjohnson407]

​@LydiaDeKett do you have any close friends you could ask? I have a handful of autistic friends who have asked me about situations and asked me if they did something wrong or how to better respond or how to interpret how others respond to them and we talk through it and I can help explain "hey, I know you feel and think this way, but here's the possible things that person was thinking/feeling/interpreting from you" to help bridge that gap. If you don't have any friends you coukd lean on for this assistance, I would recommend maybe watching some therapists on KZbin, or some KZbinrs who read reddit and offer nuanced, empathetic explanations. One of my favorites is Shaaba (Jamie Dodger's wife, friend of OT). She will read a lot of AITA posts and always explains things with such nuance and empathy. I am personally not good with social cues either, but I am good with empathy, which helps me a lot in communicating about emotional things. I can make friendships very easily but I can't maintain an acquaintance to save my life because if it doesn't require empathy, I am absolutely terrible at regular socialization. I'm not good with jokes or sarcasm, and I'm not good at reading cues, but I am good at understanding how people feel on a deeper level.

[@AUDHDlucy]

power to ya, lass. my speech therapist was the highlight of my education. she made me feel better about my speech impediment. for our final session she just threw out the last set of work and took me for ice cream. oh my god, she will be in her late 60s by now. maybe 70s. i have a lot of respect for people in your line of work. keep up the good work, sister, haha.

[@Badartist888]

I'm autistic and glad that I was in my mid to late 20s when incels were a thing. They would have gotten me if was younger. What got me dates (around 25) was listening to the women in my life who were in healthy, happy relationships (mother, aunts, grandmother, long term friends etc) rather than men.

[@pendafen7405]

The virginity demand is funny. As an adult virgin, I'm desirable to this group, yet as a woman over 25 with a normal non-anime body, I'm undesirable. There's no way to win, and that's by design, because these little creeps are just looking for excuses to justify why they won't fix up and act right so they *can* get dates.

[@Hobgoblin65]

Yeah and it seems what they mean by ‘virgin’ is someone just out of school a lot of the time. Like unless you look like a child and are of legal age (so they don’t get in trouble) they don’t want you at all. It’s really just gross and depressing.

[@pendafen7405]

@@Hobgoblin65 yes, exactly. It's just a way for them to pursue epheb0ph!lia without society coming down on them like a ton of bricks. They all lowkey want childbrides. Sketchy af.

[@chillout8320]

80 year old grandmas can get likes on tinder, I’m sure you can too

[@pendafen7405]

@@chillout8320 bro what are you even talking about?😂 I said in my parent comment that I find it amusing how incel logic is contradictory nonsense. Then you pull up and say something irrelevant about my personal life and ageism? When I'm 30 not 80 and have no interest in casual sex (especially not with men)? 💀💀💀You might have better conversations and connections in your life if you stop jumping to conclusions and making cute stupid little 'gotchas', it's not very endearing. Or don't, whatever, it's your life man🙃

[@zooweellama]

being undesirable it literally natures protection when you live in a world full of predators. be grateful.

[@iiantixsocial]

The thing about incels is they always think "women choose abusive men" no. They don't. No sane woman would choose a toxic man right off the jump, and if they do, it's most likely because they see abusive behaviour as love or because they think they can "fix" the person. Most of the time, the man she gets with comes off as sweet THEN gets abusive over time

[@skittlemilks1614]

This pisses me off the most. I’m a woman who’s been with 2 abusive guys, (one of them physically.) They NEVER show their true colors until they have you trapped. They’ll be the absolute sweetest and nicest to you. Then the abuse slowly makes its way in, bit by bit. But of course, it’s always the woman that has to be blamed for the behavior of men.

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

​@@skittlemilks1614Then where does this thing fit in (which I've definitely observed in my social circle) of girls romanticising 'bad boys' ? Like if he's a little bit edgy, a little bit gangsta, that's super sexy. Whereas all the stuff that supposedly makes good boyfriend material (good listener, emotionally available blah blah) generally lands a guy in the 'safe but boring' camp and basically in the position of being an unpaid therapist for all her relationship troubles. It seems to me at times that the men that women want to drag into bed are a completely different sort from the men they'd like to settle down with, which makes things somewhat impractical.

[@iiantixsocial]

@@diarmuidkuhle8181 Romanticizing 'bad boys' isn't the same as consciously choosing an abusive partner. Sometimes, people are drawn to qualities they find exciting or adventurous, but that doesn't mean they actively seek out abuse. It's more about the appeal of certain traits rather than intentionally picking someone harmful

[@gilleruadh]

That's how it works.

[@kaymartin2807]

​@@diarmuidkuhle8181Actually, I personally find the type of man to ask permission before doing things, to constantly check if this or that is okay or ask you what would be better, tend to be wayyy better in bed than the men that just take the gears and only do what they think you want.

[@lekiscool]

I never wanted to have sex. I'm 30 and I still haven't. Being asexual is valid.

[@Ashtree29]

Alternatively phrased not giving a frick about getting fricked 😎 ace validity

[@poisonedflowers]

Ayyye! Ace fam!! Fully valid and fully awesomea

[@lordofthechickens3627]

@@Ashtree29 garlic bread supremacy

[@UsernameXOXO]

Volcels are cool.

[@Omneyvdwatering]

I'm ace too. I did have naughties in the past as i thought it was expected of me to do so. Found out about asexuality and never looked back. So how about that date we go to denmark? I packed the garlic bread.

[@dragonch0ch0ch06]

someone should make a discussion duel between a guy who thinks women are unable to get sexual pleasure vs that guy who thinks riding a motorcycle is enough to give women sexual pleasure

[@poisonedflowers]

Or that putting in a tampon is the same as using a dildo🙄

[@chadschmaltz9790]

That would be a fun argument to witness.

[@tylercoulombe4728]

The guy who thinks woman cant feel pleasure just has no game. In fact woman have more pleasure , the clitoris has more nerves in it than the head of a sausage.

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@ana-nim]

😂

[@blitzboy2934]

“Sometimes weird fantasy arguments that people make up in the shower need to stay in the fucking shower” This quote alone would save so many people from publicly clowning on themselves for all of us to see

[@MBJean]

😂😂😂😂 very true

[@EmmVarsArt]

Problem is they probably don't shower, these are normal fantasy arguments to them lmao

[@einienj3281]

If the incel needs their mom begging her back by talking about ending themselves.. the level of emotional blackmail is astronomical.. 😮 Run honey, RUN!! Don't look back!

[@rebny7801]

I think, in this story the incel didn't tell the true story to his mother

[@einienj3281]

@@rebny7801 Even worse if he did.. I see a lot of those kind of moms that enable their spoiled rotten kids, no matter what they have done. There's moms that would help them to get away with murder, literally.

[@Iyashikei-t4u]

How big is the chance that wasn't his mother but he himself?

[@einienj3281]

@@Iyashikei-t4u BIG! Very big! And would make him even more sick to pretend to be his own mom to manipulate her even more..

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Might even want to consider a restraining order and not just running.

[@BisexualApocalypse]

i dated an incel once… literally traumatized me. i won’t go into it but holy poo they’re awful

[@girl1213]

You're not obligated to tell us any details hun. Just know you're not alone

[@AkIsUkIro]

Fell for an incel once. He rejected me because I was fat and not a virgin. It's only through this video that I learned that his actions and reasons made him an incel. 12 years later he's fat and still single.

[@BarbGordon-bq3gv]

@BisexualApocalypse i love ur name

[@SewardWriter]

I married one. He turned out to be a cheater, a rapist, and possibly a pedo. My therapist thinks he's a narcissist. (She says the same about my ex-wife, who was just as bad, albeit partially in other ways.)

[@greenapple9477]

@@SewardWriter If you were his victim, terribly sorry to hear that. You didn't deserve that.

[@TEW58_De_Bluey]

Uncle Iroh is 100% more masculine then someone like Liver King.

[@OdinsSage]

Absolute 💯

[@resonancetides7196]

Absolutely right. He's strong not only physically, but like a person. I always like this character. ❤

[@chaoleo]

Uncle Iroh is a badass.

[@hilaryunachukwu9736]

Uncle Irish was different when he was younger.

[@raymeester7883]

@VeraBrightfeather It's almost like you don't realize change of behaviour is applicable to Liver King as well. Foreign concept, I realize. By the way, my auto-correct doesn't know what an Uncle Iroh is.

[@lula259.]

What I dont get about these people is how they hate women but expect them to love them

[@chrzig554]

And expect women to cure their loneliness epidemic

[@lula259.]

@@chrzig554 FRRRR Like bro, who do you think we are? Who do you think YOU are?

[@scifirealism5943]

I don't hate women, and I know having sex won't fix my life

[@LDAR]

Right? They are literally making sure their problem stays real and gets worse

[@scifirealism5943]

@@LDAR I don't hate women

[@rose_2139]

"women get sexually aroused by riding horses, bicycles and motorbikes" Yeah I've never known a single woman who gets turned on by a goddamn bicycle

[@utej.k.bemsel4777]

I always get a chaffed a... by biking...😢

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@petalchild]

Yeah if anything it's painful lol

[@CATmetchu]

As a transformers fan i'd like to disagree lol but yes I get what you mean.

[@autumnramble]

A doctor from early XX century wrote that women get aroused by sittling on washing mashines or riding in trams. Even so, I don't understand, why should it be forbidden?

[@AIHumanEquality]

I've noticed there's a link between privilege and being an incel. I don't think you can be an incel without coming from a place of privilege. It's pretty scary how much conflict and hardship can mature someone.

[@ladykryo4592]

Absolutely there is. To feel entitled to something requires privilege. And the name incel in-and-of itself is telling about these kinda people

[@peachii4894]

there's definitely a link, but you can become an incel w/o being majorly privileged too

[@einienj3281]

They feel like they are entitled to everything and everyone with zero effort. Screams spoiled.

[@kempolar9768]

Kind of, to be an incel there has to be entitlement. If you come from a privileged background then it's far more likely to be entitled but it's not at all a requirement, the phrase choosing beggars is still strong at work after all.

[@LittleMaitea]

@@peachii4894at some point of privilege (like being rich rich) it becomes especially pathetic Yeah it already is but somehow it feels like there should be a floor line and a roof line for incels in face of privilege… … on the other hand there maybe still isn’t…

[@Just_a_commenter]

I wish people wouldn't feel so invalid just because they're single or a virgin. Like, _it's entirely fine to be single or a virgin._ What's not fine is being a piece of poo about it, as I'm sure Clicky would say. I shall continue to be confused with these fellas whilst enjoying my garlic bread or cake... Fellow aces, y'all want some? I brought enough to share :3

[@Axioanarchist]

o/

[@rinkehibma252]

i have found you once more

[@AFuckinTBoy]

YES GARLIC BREAD I'll bring the cake :D (Also I absolutely agree, I am dying a virgin and couldn't be happier, why have naughties when I can have cake)

[@manwithaplan2001]

Since I'm not ace can you put some icing on the garlic bread and hand it over 🥺

[@FoxGameCZ]

Yes, exactly. And thanks for being understanding for other who jusg aren't into that. People get way too upset over other people preferences or lack of. Here's some snacks for everyone 🍏🥪🍕🍟🍰🍪🍩☕️🥧🧋🍞🥐

[@captmalingering]

I found out after he died, but my grandpa was a horrible person, husband and father. He was booted from the US Marine Corps early after watching and not stopping his squad mates beating a suspected gay fellow Marine to death, possibly took part too. He then married a 15 year old when her was 21 and proceeded to physically abuse her and his children until their youngest of 6 kids was 14 and finally stood up to his dad, which is when he “snapped out of it” and changed for the better according to my mom. But I overheard my mom confide in her MIL that he would get drunk, line up their brood so the children could watch him beat their mother. I grew up thinking this man was the paragon of fatherhood and a doting, loving husband…all lies and misdirection.

[@nyxx5357]

I'm sorry you had to find that out about him. I know from personal experience that it sucks to have your image of a grandparent ruined. Mine turned out to be really racist and sexist.

[@antona.1327]

Ok. And your point being...? This has nothing to do with incels.

[@vellathewench]

@@antona.1327 This relates to something in the video. Pay attention perhaps?

[@Pandora_Ravenheart]

She's fought through an EATING DISORDER and is now at a VERY healthy weight and they're SHAMING her for it??? Disgusting.

[@sketchr9258]

do you expect this herd of walking bowel movements to encourage a woman to be healthy?

[@The_Winsome_Pixie]

They are completely lacking in empathy, sadly.

[@murphieslaw6932]

Hm, it´s called psychopathy, I´d say. Or, being an absolute asshole, really. Lucky guys. I still didn´t figure out how to use the force to kill people through the internet, by sheer CRINGE. The day I manage to - there´ll be a frikkin´blood bath :D

[@Lynnie2005]

I know for a fact that that girl went through HELL because I did too... I don't even have the confidence to post my before and after pictures from my lowest weight to current recovery because comments like this are literally my biggest fear... "Yeah, let's shame a woman who overcame the second most fatal mental illness to make myself feel better." Being pro-ana and an Incel has to be one of the worst combinations. I genuinely hope he lives a horrifically miserable life...

[@goodmorning2386]

Wtf ikr? She literally would’ve gone through hell to get healthy and be at a healthy weight so she can have a long and happy life, and now they’re saying that shit to her

[@gl15col]

My mother had her issues, but she never used the word "ugly" except for someone's personality; people had an "ugly temper", never used that word about anyone's external looks. Maybe more people should try that definition.

[@naolucillerandom5280]

Spanish speaker? We have that use in my region. Aside from "ugly temper" (carácter feo), we have "¿Porqué eres fea conmigo?" ("why are you being ugly (mean) to me?")

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

​@@naolucillerandom5280 Honestly, the first I ever heard of 'incels' was this Asian American guy (forgot his name) who shot some girls and then himself. At first sight I thought, 'how on earth did this guy not get laid, he's gorgeous, I'd do him' (I'm bi). Then the documentary went on and it was clear him being single wasn't anything to do with him being lacking in the looks department, but entirely down to his horrible, sociopathic, off-putting personality.

[@gilleruadh]

Beauty may only be skin deep, but ugly goes straight to the bone.

[@zlayer3170]

@NotVille_Not eating the personality bukkeke 😂 heee

[@AlexM-j9j]

Looks are your personality women find ugly mens personalities ugly

[@tibicenlinnei4014]

My greatgrandmother was married young as a business deal. Her father owned land and a business, and so she was married to his business partner's son. He was an abusive prick and worked with the mafia to run booze during prohibition. When he went to prison, she did something unheard of for her time...she divorced him and *gasp* DATED MEN SHE LIKED. It was a huge scandal, because she had children. But then she married for love and she had a happy life with him. When he passed away, she moved into an assisted living apartment and was in her 90's with 3 boyfriends chasing her all over bingo night. I aspire to be like great-grandma Ruth when I'm old as heck.

[@Sing_A_Rebel_Song]

I love great grandma Ruth 😭

[@sketchr9258]

you strive to be like her, minus the part where she is married to somebody abusive, I hope 😅

[@skittlemilks1614]

Hell yea Grandma Ruth SLAY! 💅

[@BlueTressym]

She sounds an absolute badass and I hope you get to be like her but without the abusive husband part.

[@tibicenlinnei4014]

Omg y'all of course I don't want the abusive husband part. Y'all are so sweet tho!

[@kukalakana]

The thing i will never understand about incels is how do you make "can't get laid" your whole identity? And think it doesn't make you the most unfuckable person in any room?

[@scifirealism5943]

As an incel myself, I'll explain it: I want to lose my virginity. I know sex isn't everything, but most people have lost their virginity earlier than me. I'm 29.

[@scifirealism5943]

I've never kissed a girl, either. No, I'm not a bot.

[@j.d.s.8132]

It's literally nobody's "entire personality". If you would actually know guys in the community, there are many different personalities at hand, some are more outgoing and extroverted, regularly going to bars and social activities, some are very religious, some are nationalistic, some are very left wing borderline communists, some spend their entire day on a forum, others visit once a month or even less frequently, some travel, some live in third world countries, some in first world countries. We are so diverse, because the only commonality is looks.

[@Alex58355]

@@scifirealism5943get an escort

[@kukalakana]

@scifirealism5943 I lost mine at 27. It's really no biggie not to have sex until your 20s and 30s. There are those who might consider 27 to be a bit late too. But the more I look back on it, the more I think "virginity" and losing it are overrated. And when I say "your whole" identity, I honestly don't understand why you would make it *any* part of your identity. Like, aside from anything else, "incel" is such a defeatist label to take on board.

[@mondegofilms-2352]

Its always funny for people who are self professed as completely inexperienced with women to try to then claim to be experts on women. Its like taking flying lessons from an Amish person

[@NiteSteel000]

HEY!!!!! LEAVE THE INNOCENT AMISH OUT OF THIS!!!!

[@atheon596]

That analogy killed me lol

[@giantclaw138]

At least the Amish have redeeming qualities. I've bought baked goods and wooden benches from them in Pennsylvania. That shit's magical

[@archonfett]

@@NiteSteel000 if they have a problem with his comment maybe they shouldn't be on the internet (/s btw)

[@arthurian__lgnd]

@@NiteSteel000 The joke went over your head. Quite literally. Haha 😂

[@John_Weiss]

29:00 Describing Incels as, "going to an AA meeting where they're all encouraging each other to do shots," has to be one of the most accurate descriptions of them I've seen, Click.

[@RobertPayne556]

Accurate and clicked like. 😊

[@MR-el2ym]

Not accurate, the blackpill taught me a great deal. The world makes so much more sense now that I understand human nature.

[@bushybeardedbear]

@@MR-el2ym The blackpill is self sabotage. It gives you just enough rope to unsubscribe yourself with and then let's you do as you wish. It's literally just nihilism and sexism wrapped with a little teenaged angst for good measure. You're nearly 30 and actively helping to sabotage other men's lives.

[@John_Weiss]

@@MR-el2ym You've been lied to about human nature by conmen pedalling ideas about "human nature" from the 19th Century, ideas disproven and rejected.

[@RobertPayne556]

@@MR-el2ym You spelt bluepill wrong, but thank you for playing.

[@thesoupking]

I never understood this obsession they have with masculinity. The most masculine man i know is my grandpa, he has a flower garden, he used to always play with dolls with me as a kid, have tea parties and let me paint his nails. It's more masculine to be yourself and be protective of the people you love than whatever those people will ever do.

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themsellves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@theceoofeggmansempire5214]

Key to happiness is being kind & expressing urself So, many people can't allow to express themselves & feel miserable

[@BooksandBuns]

Because some people LIKE being masculine. A man doesn't have to be feminine or have feminine interests to be a good man. We should seriously stop telling men that they need to have feminine traits to be seen as 'good' or 'safe', & instead we should be showing them that they can be masculine & happy & safe. Let masculine men be masculine, while still fighting against those who are bigots or bad people

[@theceoofeggmansempire5214]

@@BooksandBuns I wanted to type smth. Then i saw what i wanted to type is just above ur comment Like, if men don't want to act feminine, don't pressure them Simple as that

[@theceoofeggmansempire5214]

@noblenolan Shaving legs, painting ur nails, wearing makeup are all considered fem traits

[@noraoraoraoraora]

calling someone who used to be anorexic who is now a completely normal weight “grotesquely fat” is so disgusting omg😭😭

[@marymayo9392]

Incels and "players" have a lot in common and it proves them not getting sex is not the problem. Both are viewing women as property/status symbols/sex objects, both are seeing the mistreatment of women as a status symbol, and both are feeling pressured into caring so much (to the point they hurt women/believe their own BS) about this part of their lives because they feel in contest with other men or influenced by insecure macho culture. Just skill/looks/luck has made these same elements manifest in different forms. Its like watching a super depressing set of crystals grow over time 😅

[@arthurian__lgnd]

The crystal thing reminded me of an experiment that happened many years ago of subjecting a cluster of crystals to certain types of reinforcement. One set of crystals was given negative reinforcement while the other was given only positive reinforcement. The negative reinforced crystals were distorted and odd looking while the positive ones were pristine and stunning. It's pretty shocking.

[@Данилтычкрейзи]

​@@arthurian__lgndah, yeah, some pseudoscience right here, I can see Click telling that Earth is flat, the importance of essential oils in cancer treatment clearly before my eyes

[@NiteSteel000]

It's like watching mold grow. You want nothing more than to scrape every last bit off the concrete, but you know the roots are hidden deep and the spores are ready to settle.

[@painunending4610]

Except you people don't hate the 'players' or send them death threats

[@marzipancutter8144]

​@@painunending4610 What do you mean? I think "players" are plenty disliked. The kind of grifters like Andrew Tate are absolutely held responsible for preying on young mens insecurities and they receive plenty of deserved hate. Dating coaches and their trash player advice have literally been lolcows ever since the forum days of the internet.

[@crwydryny]

That "Japanese gf" thing... Whoever wrote that has only experienced Japan through anime. The majority of Japanese girls are not the quiet shy submissive type

[@girl1213]

Japanese women are extremely powerful in the marriage scene

[@gerekgerek9042]

Yeah its the whole weird double mindset these kind of people seem to have, they seem to think having no prospects and being unlikable in their world will suddenly be the reverse in another, people generally date the same no matter where you go. Go meet people, talk to the people you meet like you want to get to know them then eventually you meet someone to date, its not magic, just have to go meet and talk to people.

[@idk-ill-figure-smn-out]

I've actually heard that cheating is _very_ common and even normalized by both sexes in Japanese culture, largely because sex work is highly sought out due to a strenuous work culture that doesn't leave room for relationships and normal social interaction (even in OTHER countries, Japanese men are infamous for being particularly insatiable when it comes to their proclivity for sex tourism). Also, the sex industry in Japan is fueled by mostly younger women using it as a secondary source of income to fund their education/lifestyle. So chances are that the so-called "traditional" Japanese woman they want isn't even a virgin lmao.

[@MatildeVallespinCasas]

​@@idk-ill-figure-smn-outmy cousin in law is Japanese and has told me that the main reason he feels for this phenomenon is because American men in particular take ages to update their stereotypes. The Japanese girlfriends are a product of the 80-90s, when Japan was the a technological Mecca and sent expats to get deals. And those expats were usually young handsome professionals with knowledge of Japanese culture and language but without the close minded and patriarchal mentality of the local men. It started progressively to die after the 2000s but then, it coincided with the rise of anime in the US(in Europe had been circulating for ages)and, well, you can guess what happened afterwards

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@kckc4955]

I’m 54 and can confirm that my parents’ relationship was built on entitlement based on their “role” not a real relationship. I’m very lucky to have found someone with a different perspective, but my career motivation was directly due to how little power my mother had in her life. It’s hard to believe there are still people with this mindset.

[@ChuggleDBuglGames]

It took a lot of effort for me and my older sibling to convince my mom to divorce my dad and move out. One of the last conversations I had with my dad was explaining to him how it is very hard for me to love him and how this is me reaching out for ideas to fix that… he then yelled at me how he’s the man of the house and someone has to lead. It’s not his job to love. He took exception to me pointing out how he was unemployed for 2 years and I was paying most of the bills so doesn’t that mean I was the man of the house? Anywho me and my mom are the best roommates and I’ve never seen her happier.

[@kckc4955]

@@ChuggleDBuglGames I’m so glad you supported your mom and helped her find a new way to experience life. My mom stayed until his death but got 25 years of “freedom” after. Sad all around but her daughters learned from her experience. “Man of the house” - heard that so many times. Yuk.

[@beckawilk]

I am in my 50s and I know my great grandparents married for love (met them and inherited by g. Grand journal). Women had financial pressure to commit but love was still a huge part of the equation. I think middle and upper classes marriage were less about love but humans are humans and have always found each other attractive and have had to "work" to attract their desired partner. I can also confirm that creepy incel thinking men such as my Uncle have existed beyond the current generation.

[@susannairisastarte5192]

Also 54. Happily single and child-free by choice. Just take care of yourself ❤

[@matheussanthiago9685]

it takes a special kind of toll on the mental health of 10y.o. to figure ''damn, in an ideal world, my parents should've NEVER got together and had kids'' I'd know, I was one

[@aporue5893]

''Hit the wall'' =no longer attractive to creeps

[@AEH-df7ho]

Copium overdose in one sentence

[@jacindapeters2303]

I'm glad they're not attracted to me I'm 35.

[@catlover2223]

Yaaaayyyyyy!!!!!

[@trixiejoyce1516]

Something I’ve observed about women who cater to the “red pill “ guys is that those women think they are never going to age or be rejected by them; NEWSFLASH: that community is going to discard you like a Kleenex when you reach a certain age.

[@MainMasquerade-ik8df]

lol hit the wall is cope

[@Meggzilla]

Screw the nonsense of men being weak when they lean in a picture... I am 5'0"... Short af...I have met and asked for pictures with celebrities that I've met who are 6'5",6'7",6'11", 7'2", and heck, my dude is 6'3." How are we supposed to take a pic together without the man leaning a little bit? It's not a sign of weakness... It's an act of mercy to short chicks everywhere

[@gender-fluidARMY]

4’6” here, (thanks surgery for stunting my growth in elementary school) and I’m a wheelchair user. If somebody doesn’t lean at least a little, they just either aren’t paying attention or don’t care. I relate on a spiritual level!

[@Meggzilla]

@@gender-fluidARMY I love you and I feel the struggle. I'm short because of genetics. My grandmothers are 4'7" and 4'8". My grandfathers are 5'10" and 5'4." My dad and great granddaughter were 5' 2". My mom and sister are 4'10." I don't know if I had a real shot of ever playing basketball, and it gets me in my feelings a little bit when I get around one specific set of cousins because three of the five are literally 6'4" and 6'5." I really be plotting to greet them with a 9 iron to the shins. I just resort to mischief instead... I hide their phones and keys under pots on the lowest kitchen shelf, under the couch, or anywhere that'll make them have to get on their knees and look me in the eye at least once in a while. I know, it's prolly a little petty, but they pick on me too. All is fair in Nerf Wars and water balloon fights, right?

[@gender-fluidARMY]

@@Meggzilla return the same energy they give to you, that’s my motto

[@Meggzilla]

@@gender-fluidARMY yes, I agree 100%. I just have a slight problem... I lived with a career soldier for at least a decade. If he taught me anything; it's that if somebody try to do you real harm... You have to one up em. If you push me, I'm punching, you punch me, I'm drawing blood, you choke me, I'm breaking bones. He wasn't wrong either, he choked me one day and I broke both his feet. He never touched me again. I don't go hard like that on my little cousins because we don't hurt each other, but we some prankin mfs. It's fun.

[@gender-fluidARMY]

@@Meggzilla Holy shit, you’d think that he’d know better. Sorry you went through that, but good on you for defending yourself (not that I condone violence, but in a situation like that, it seems necessary)!

[@torqueoz3449]

I think you're 100% right about it taking advantage of people not picking up social cues. I'm autistic and used to believe this stuff for the longest time. I was constantly adjusting my body in tiny and subtle ways to make sure I wasn't communicating "the wrong thing". Like until I was in my late teens I believed having your wrist (where you put perfume and such) pointing toward someone, that that was a signal you were physically attracted to them. Sooo many misunderstandings before I learned that the majority of it is nonsense

[@SingerSofiaBrook]

Same, AuDHD, confused af for years. Recently started watching Click and he really actually helped me with figuring out social norms. I kinda want to burn WikiHow now…

[@teritt]

The easiest social cue of flirting is just. Consistent, almost persistent touching. Not like getting your attention, or even pushing you a bit when they laugh at a joke just. Randomly touching you while talking, usually gentle. The only time this doesn’t really apply is if you’re saying something sad. In general usually positive conversation though, it is a very big indicator of liking you because they’re trying to get you to associate them with positive touch. Which is usually offered most by lovers. Though honestly, asking “are you flirting with me” can make things a lot clearer, they’ll either be confused, pretend to be confused to save themselves the embarrassment, or straight out say something like “what? You didn’t notice? Of course I’m flirting.”

[@arialash1113]

I'm glad to hear you learned that most of it is nonsense. It really is a relief when you realize nobody is analyzing your every movement!

[@LilChuunosuke]

I'm also autistic and I'm sadly very used to people infantilizing me and thinking I'm cute, offering to take a guardian-like role in my life. The second I start getting uncomfortable and unmasking, they start to mistreat me. My mask was cute and sweet. My unmasked self was flat, borderline emotionless, and deeply sarcastic. People have retaliated against my unmasked self and all but told me to put my mask back on. Somehow I was always the bad guy for this.

[@kitcat8308]

@@teritt agree.... Just ask....Comfort with using Direct communication is important for relationships in general, and more so for relationships where one or more partner is Autistic. ( Ex: Autistic people can have a hard time in a relationship with one of the people who post things like " I said no, and he didn't ask again... I wanted him to chase me....such a beta" ..... People who play games or subtle tests)

[@vyxkey723]

It’s so strange now. Back when Marilyn Monroe was an icon, she didn’t have this hyper skinny body. Everyone still adored her. This world is going down the drain on so many levels

[@NegaHumanX]

I feel like it's more of a circling the drain situation. Not getting any close, just repeating a cycle. I read that in ancient Greece the ideal body type was pear-shaped and skinny or muscular woman would be less desired since they were more likely poor/slaves. The idea is that the rich and famous set the standard and that standard is constantly changing. Who knows, tomorrow we may see acne as the true sign of beauty or a lazy eye as the mark of a great husband.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

It's definitely not the whole world, there's just "certain circles" that want to push the idea that the whole world is broken (so why bother relocating/fixing it)

[@zoorenard1101]

People used to like celebrities for their talent and admire real natural beauty, now its all about whos the skinniest and who has the most generic face

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

​@@NegaHumanXyes, when you look at Greek classical statues the women have wide hips and small breasts, while the men are athletic and muscular without being exaggerated.

[@fionafiona1146]

She also suffered heaps of abuse

[@silly_lily6241]

"highschool is a hellish place" for me middleschool was hell and hischool was just lonely to this day i always remember how my worst bully ever casually asked if anyone had a weapon so he could k*** me. we were like 9-10 years old back then. in highschool i was just a ghost and no one noticed me during break. big step up

[@Myuxi-i8x]

Haha, fr though. I believe my entire highschool class would have gone the same way if I hadn't been there. I was literally playing in spectator mode for the past 12 years of my life.

[@kappadarwin9476]

I guess it has to do with TV. A lot of shows focus on High school when in reality a lot of the school antics from shows like Ned's declassified, That so Raven, Drake and Josh would feel more common place in Middle school rather than HS. The school bully is way too busy worrying about their GPA to care about what the MC is doing. Its why I feel a lot of show runners back in the early 2000s and 90s didn't really get what HS was like.

[@Matpit18]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone less self aware than that dude who was creeping on that poor girl for a freaking HOUR, while she was working the cash register at the coffee shop. He really thought that she was “being inattentive” to him and only focusing on “the people who were buying something then and there” Like no, dude. She is just serving the customers who want to purchase goods from that shop. That is her job. And her job does not pay her enough to deal with your malarkey.

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@bushybeardedbear]

​@@Vindicador01 See, this is another issue you're making clear the more I see your copypasta. You don't listen to women. You see they're speaking and choose to drown out their input with the propaganda you've internalised. Explain the logic to me. You want to find a woman as a partner. Yet you refuse to listen to women.

[@Vindicador01]

@@bushybeardedbear because the distance between what they do, what they want and what they say is monstrous

[@bushybeardedbear]

@@Vindicador01 Based on talking to other bitter men? That's a flawed source. You know it.

[@Fluff_Noodles]

​@@Vindicador01 Ah yes. The monolith of women who have personally offended you 💀

[@jaqsre]

as a real life human that’s attracted to men: the standards aren’t high. all we want is someone with standard emotional maturity and a capability of understanding. that’s really the only baseline 😭

[@Myder_Dragon]

alot of guys want this too. tbh everyone should start in the friendzone and naturally evolve into either a relationship, stay just friends, or perhaps distance themselves. Its much healthy dating a friend then someone you just met who's whole goal is just to get in your pants.

[@girl1213]

And at the very least understands he's not an expert on women's bodies or their products are not cursed. Good lord never date that kind of man, especially the ones that don't want to learn.

[@sakuraseazon]

​@@Myder_Dragonfr, me and my current boyfriend were friends for a year before we dated and getting to know eachother really helped in our relationship.

[@Myder_Dragon]

@@sakuraseazon so true. And when you finally start dating its all the more sweet bc you waited.

[@pebbleyt1357]

@@Myder_Dragon100% agree, me and my girlfriend have been together for just over 6 months but we were best friends for 5 years, we became inseparable and now we’re happier than ever. Both our previous relationships were with people we hardly knew and jumped in and were both unhappy. It’s important to just ensure you dont leas them on ofc, you just have to make sure you establish the boundary of “we are friends and nothing more, if anything blossoms it blossoms”

[@ForsakenDAemon]

The Click: “you also look absolutely ASTONISHING” Me, sitting in my bathrobe on the couch with my hair sticking upright and breakfast in my beard: 😳🥰

[@Hair8Metal8Karen]

Swoon...

[@katherinesmallbean3594]

I was flopped in a human pretzel shape in my crappy pajamas 💅

[@axehead45]

All I saw was you have a big enough beard to get food stuck in and am sold on you looking amazing

[@BN.ja05]

As a wise woman of energy and integrity once said: Don't get bitter, just get better!

[@konstantintheistanbuliston5392]

To get rejected again, yes.

[@TophinatorStreams]

@@konstantintheistanbuliston5392And again and again and again and again. Even identifying as an incel, is an over-share. Try “eligible bachelor”. The doomer attitude will only get you sympathy dates & you wouldn’t want to date someone out of sympathy, either. Learn who you are, sell your best attributes, be honest what you’re working on. You make it 10 x harder on yourself, submissively crying about how hard you have it. No one cares. Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off and pity the internet tribalism you fell into.

[@data4385]

Or just keep whining in the comment section...​@@konstantintheistanbuliston5392

[@voidsatas1524]

​@@konstantintheistanbuliston5392You sir, are very bitter. Bitterness is why you don't get what you want. I used to be bitter, as I was having a terrible time online, and nobody liked me. Yet I realized, it only gets better. And then I stopped being bitter, why carry so much hatred for people who never wronged you?

[@damianjblack]

@@voidsatas1524 I mean the sad reality is that most people suck immensely. 😂😂

[@evelin4188]

This reminds me of an article in a newspaper a few years ago about how often men misunderstood their hairdresser's intentions when they would engage in small talk. It contained interviews with several women who had experienced this misunderstanding - and were tired of being treated like they had led these men on - that they felt the need to contact the newspaper and put out a PSA to men about how said small talk with a customer is just being pleasant to a costumer, nothing more. It's literally just their job.

[@wartgin]

That's related to a study they discussed on NPR after the MeToo movement gained momentum. They looked at students placed in male - female project pairs with some placed in hierarchical relationships and others in peer relationships. Although it was somewhat less for women, in hierarchical pairs both men and women were more likely to interpret the behavior of the lower partner as flirting even when said behavior was seen simply as polite by impartial observers. In peer relationships, there was significantly less of this misinterpretation. Edit to correct grammar (missing word).

[@adalette]

might have something to do with the experience of a salon/barbershop too. like somebody’s gently running their hands thru your hair, you’re surrounded by pleasant smells, if you’re in a chair near the front window everyone walking by can see, too… idk i get kind of aroused getting my hair cut, but maybe i’m just a weirdo

[@wartgin]

@@adalette It's possible that it is connected (people do have unusual kinks) but it seems to me that falls under the general instance of being the focus of someone's attention whether physical (massage, hairdressing), social (intense conversation at party, etc) or emotional (falling for one's therapist or priest). We interpret focused attention as sexual interest and respond accordingly. It's common in romances for the main character to muse at some point about what it would be like for love interest to turn that focused attention they are observing towards them during sex.

[@madarah8533]

I hate when hairdressers make small talk. Just stfu and cut my hair

[@mamadoom9724]

It reminds me of when my ex bf came home one day and said a coworker was hitting on him. I asked him what she said and he said “she waved when I drove by.” I had to break the news to him that she wasn’t hitting on him 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@SftHrtBrsKnckls]

Men, as a lesbian, to get a woman, you have to make her like being around you more than being by herself.

[@WhirlingMusic]

"Everyone. To get candy, you have to get up and go to the store". Sound advice. Where can I donate?

[@Lowclasswarrior778]

You’re a woman so you wouldn’t understand

[@konstantintheistanbuliston5392]

You are lesbian bcuz you couldnt attract a chad. You just a chadsexual. All lesbians are chadsexuals at all. This is not how it works for men. If you are below 5'7, then women will avoid and they will hate you just bcuz of ur height.

[@mihraz47]

Trust me . Their end goal is not simply getting a gf.

[@konstantintheistanbuliston5392]

@@mihraz47 Just a girl talking ab incels while knowing nothing. Move on kid.

[@Makyui]

That "hypocritical" comic about body shapes just boils down to "women aren't allowed to have sexual fantasies that don't involve me personally".

[@Finlandproject]

Yeah exactly! Tell me you're a narcissist without telling me you're a narcissist!

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@zlayer3170]

That “hypocritical” talk about equality, but it’s only for men wallets and blood, there is no equality on the battlefield or in sex (what women have to offer).

[@luluzin5022]

35:54 is really tragic because the girl is talking about overcoming anorexia, and then some creeps showed up to make her feel bad about her body. That is exactly the thing that makes people spiral and the eating disorder comes back! People like that need to lose their access to the internet and go outside.

[@Bianca_Pastel]

But anorexia is a good thing, I would know because I am anorexic

[@morbidsearch]

​@@Bianca_Pastel You're also a troll and that's not healthy either

[@kookdisberry]

@@Bianca_PastelI am a former anorexic, no it's not a good thing get some help.

[@Bianca_Pastel]

@@kookdisberry I don’t need to get help

[@voidsatas1524]

​@@Bianca_PastelListen. I don't know if you've died because of your refusal to eat. But anorexia only gives you MORE issues than it does fix issues. It will leave you rotting and disfigured, as your body has collapsed due to lack of nutrients. Incels will only raise their standards higher, so anorexia will never make you ideal. The standards will be raised and raised until you're choking on stardust. Don't focus on others' standards. Just focus on healing and being better. Starving yourself will only lead to your corpse being hideous, not beautiful. Beauty comes from health, not pain.

[@niahawk3678]

...does anyone else feel like Clicky would make a perfect Doctor for Dr. Who with his facial expressions, wholesome crazyness and style....? 😄

[@keit99]

I can imagine that 😂

[@AhYesAnts]

I could see him as the doctor lol

[@-alovelygaycat-]

I’ve never watched Doctor Who but I think this is an amazing idea and I definitely agree.

[@severussnape7497]

Generally yes but having my doctor who read memes on youtube would kinda destroy it for me, like the things i have heard click say😂

[@ragnarlarsen7188]

... I actually really want this now.

[@slacknhash]

Let me get this straight: the moment one stops having to ask them if they're legally old enough for fear of getting one's name on the sex offender's register is the moment they 'hit the wall'? Wow.

[@zlayer3170]

Only Chad can smash underage girls, the stupid laws of civilization only applies to the idiotic civilized men, scraps of his own creation.

[@bushybeardedbear]

​@@zlayer3170 I can't believe you literally just admitted you want to SA underaged girls.

[@zlayer3170]

@@bushybeardedbear I don’t remember saying intent, just putting it like it is. You just mad bc you’re ones of those simps.

[@bushybeardedbear]

@@zlayer3170 No, I'm disgusted that you want to r@pe and groom children. I'm baffled you admitted it.

[@cicimimi741]

​@@zlayer3170how are they a simp??

[@Ducktherealone]

I really don’t understand this whole mindset around losing your virginity as quickly as possible and getting all the girlfriends. Like I have never had a partner and I am ace and somehow people have a problem with me being happy with this? Buddy, just because you think you can only be happy with having sex every 3 hours doesn’t mean that I can’t be happy by being silly and not having sex

[@lordofthechickens3627]

You could do the do or you could eat garlic bread, learn about the world, perfect your hobbies, or any other fun thing. Virginity shouldn't be so important.

[@NegaHumanX]

@@lordofthechickens3627 I've seen these garlic bread and being ace comments a few times...what meme am I missing? Is my lack of romantic feelings why I like garlic bread?

[@strawberrysolar9086]

@@NegaHumanX i think it's a meme within the ace community that sex < garlic bread. (also not trying to be rude, but isn't a lack of romantic attraction aromantic, not asexual?)

[@AnnaMno1]

​​@@NegaHumanXit started off as comments that cake is better than sex, at some point garlic bread got pulled into it as well I like to say I'm a cake Ace, as I ligit do not like garlic bread so your love of garlic bread is not centred around you being Aro, however you can certainly meme them together if you want to

[@NegaHumanX]

​@@strawberrysolar9086 OK, I figured it was a meme like that. You're definitely right about the ace/aros thing (and not rude at all). I got things mixed around because I've been writing a lot today.

[@henryeye7147]

Holy shit. 9:21 The implications of this aspect for autistic people. I never thought about that. That is fucking horrible but it makes sense. Both my brother and I are autistic. My brother is deep into incel culture. I never got the whole incel thing. But I also had a friend back in high-school who set me and my soul mate up together, so I've never had to struggle much with my autism in the dating scene. I feel even worse for him now. Man, I friggin hate all the predatory influencers that push this crap. They are damaging boys and men, sabotaging their futures, hurting the families of these men and any women that might ever have the misfortune of encountering these men. It's destructive and disgusting. So fucking sad.

[@bro918]

Have u tried helping your brother out somehow

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

As someone who is autistic and doesn't have the same physical mannerisms as everyone else, those self-proclaimed "body language experts" really get under my skin. They're about as legit as Feng Shui experts, in that you can consult four different ones, and come up with five different answers. If it were a scientific process, you would expect at least some concordance. You see them a lot in political analysis, trying to read their own personal biases into public figures, and it's all circular reasoning.

[@godabandonedmesoibecameaba8984]

As a autistic and lesbian I got bullied for 6 years and I really thought I was ugly. I downloaded a queer dating app and added "looking for a friend" and what I got was thirsty messages from other girls... One of the accounts I saw belonged to one of the girls that always acted like I didn't exist and bumped me every time I walked. Feels unreal

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

This is disrespectful to feng shui designers home designers, think of it as vibes more than anything they actually do make the places they design or redesign better (DearModern for example)

[@chukyuniqul]

this has nothing to do with the main point of your comment but I genuinely believe that feng shui just came about as a means to cover for sabotage and espionage. "no, it's not that we have a guy on the inside who weakened your wall and relayed to us your guard changes so we could catch you with your pants down it's that, um, the qi flowing from the meridian to the azure dragon brings fortune when wearing brass vambraces, yeah".

[@Charbified]

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle That's just interior design though. What the OP is saying is that it's not exactly a science. Offer five people the exact same scenario and you'll likely get five different answers to it. Doesn't mean any of them are right or wrong, but that's not the point. It's that there's not one answer as these "body language experts" tend to suggest. I mean body language is 100% a thing, but it depends on the person, so you can't say for sure what anything means. (particularly as in depth as the stupid hyper analysis in the vid)

[@phoenixgirl70]

Munecat did an excellent video debunking those body language “experts”. She puts a lot of research into her videos and they’re also incredibly entertaining. Her videos are all bangers. It’s funny there’s those 4 guys who are supposed experts, there channel is pretty big and each of them takes a square of the screen and they regurgitate each other’s ideas. Hope my description helps, as they were actually going to react to her debunking video. And they started but curiously switched to watching another guy who’d watched Munecats video and picked him apart! They KNEW Munecat wiped the floor with their bull, and completely chickened out. She was live and we were all so excited to see how they handled it and they just ended up dodging her video entirely. She was so disappointed as were her viewers. We wasted 2 hours on them when they obviously were never planning on critiquing her video. It was a way to trick people into watching them.

[@sydneys207]

That "the man who would've married you" is... exceptionally gross. If you would turn down a wonderful wife for not being a virgin, you're the problem, not her.

[@MazMedazzaland]

Oh god, is that what that meant? I wondered what on earth a ghost with a baby balloon was about, and what that had to do with being married.

[@redjoker365]

I don't know if it makes things better or worse, but the author of that comment is a literal neonazi. Inceldom is just a funnel into far-right politics

[@sydneys207]

@@MazMedazzaland yep! The gist is that she’s watching the man who “would have married her” disappear before her eyes because she’a engaging with her sexuality. Explicitly saying that the man who would have married her won’t now because she’s not a virgin, and she’s supposed to be distraught over losing a man who thinks that way, because these losers all think they’re the real goal for women. Add in the whole little bit about "I don't consent" there -- like a man has *any* claim to control consent for a woman, let alone because they will "eventually" marry -- and it's just an exceptionally disgusting comic overall. It's also playing down the role consent should play in sex, but that's par for the course with these so-called men.

[@kennymartin5976]

Oh, it gets even worse, the artist of that Comic is flat out a neonazi. Like unironicly, he has openly supported Hittler, He is very antisemitic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, the whole terrible package. 😬

[@girl1213]

@@MazMedazzaland Yup. It's one of those control issues some people have with women. Marriage and babies are not mutually exclusive, neither is having sex. And frankly she'd be better off elsewhere then with that man "who would have married you" but the artist, who is highly likely to be an incel, wants to believe otherwise.

[@msbluejayway]

Some men really think the only reason a woman does anything, especially online, is to attract men. It's so tiring.

[@AneirinRPG]

The thing is some do in a world of Instagram tiktok and only fans

[@asum7213]

​@@AneirinRPGWe used to call men who are that delusional about the average woman "p0rn addicts".

[@AngelinaParker]

I remember seeing this video of one of the Incel cult leaders, Jordan Peterson, saying women wearing lipstick in the work place should be illegal cause the only reason why women wear lipstick is to and I quote "stimulate arousal".....

[@naolucillerandom5280]

@@AneirinRPG I mean, OF is specifically for that, and most content creators will want attention because it's literally a job requirement. That's like complaining about getting fast food in a fast food restaurant.

[@AneirinRPG]

@naolucillerandom5280 Now, it is it wasn't originally made for it, but that stuff was enabled. I remember when the company behind OF wanted to remove the sexual content, and mostly women lost their minds

[@chaoleo]

My husband is very masculine. He's an excellent cook and baker. He knits. He co-parents his son. He plays tabletop games and video games, sometimes with me. He dresses up with me to go to Ren Fest and loves wearing a kilt. He works his butt off and will put himself out to help a stranger. And he certainly knows his way around a woman's body. Incels just can't accept that the real problem is their own attitude. Pride and cowardice has poisoned their outlook. They're not "men." They could be if they could find a way to get over themselves. But they probably won't. Self reflection is too much work for them.

[@scifirealism5943]

I'm reading every comment on this video as a self-proclaimed incel. I'm making the effort to change my life, I know I'm not changing fast enough.

[@scifirealism5943]

Yes, I am a virgin.

[@K55365]

I'm not sure if you know this, but most incels do not blame women for their lack of having a relationship. They mostly blame their own looks which is determined by genetics.

[@bushybeardedbear]

@@K55365 Evidence suggests the contrary. Incels blame women for being slaves to their biology, treating women as a hive mind.

[@rubybann9714]

⁠​⁠@@scifirealism5943 it’s great that you want to change your life. Try not to put too much pressure on yourself about not changing fast enough, give yourself credit for wanting a change and maybe try small steps that make you happy

[@diml664]

TMI Warning: I lost my hymen in a bicycle accident at age 10, and didn't lose my virginity until 13 years later at age 23, but according to these ridiculous incels I shouldn't have been able to graduate uni, cool.

[@jaxscales6158]

Not really tmi if you willingly put it here

[@NealBrewer]

That sounds super uncomfortable.

[@poisonedflowers]

Lost mine horseback riding, around the same time. It's not a "stay-fresh seal" people, it's literally just a thin membrane that partially stretches across, and isn't even there for a lot of women.

[@marzipancutter8144]

@@jaxscales6158 TMI refers to oversharing something someone else might not want to hear it, so this person has used it correctly. It's basically a disclaimer for sensitive people, like a spoiler warning. I think people shouldn't have a problem with hearing about body parts existing, but it's nice that they're being considerate.

[@33melonpaws77]

Imagine uni professors standing around cycle paths and horse riding trails with pens and clipboards, disappointedly taking names

[@jpbaley2016]

My grandfather was an alcoholic drunk, who stalked my 16 yo grandmother to the point he went AWOL from the Swedish Navy and stowed away on the ship my grandmother was taking to America. Of course, no one knew of this until he told the story to his family after they asked if they could visit Sweden. My Grandfather knew if he went back to Sweden he was liable to be arrested and jailed for desertion. This happened in the early 1900’s, where there was no registration of immigrants.

[@margodphd]

Oh wow.. I can.. hope love for her changed him but in reality it probably hasn't... right? :)

[@sabsain2399]

​​@@margodphd he didn't need change, he needed jail or some shxt. And it's weird to applaud women's "love" for their abusers by implying it could "help" better said men

[@Rampart.X]

That's much better than Leonardo Dicaprio's version

[@Whit-wy2ow]

Whelp this is horrifying.

I had one terrible grandparent of each gender... maybe that's why I'm an egalitarian? ;-)

[@AngelSBolander]

My grandmother and my grandfather, on my fathers side, did split up once. For like a week. My grandfather wasn't pleased with some dinner she had made and was a complete poopoo about it. My grandmother said than he cook. He thought it was unfair, even thou both worked fulltime with three kids, and made the empty gesture that he would leave. My grandmother wouldn't budge and said "fine do so". He got his own apartment in the same neighbourhood and after failing every set of cooked meal for about eight days he came crying back and asked to move in again. Grandmother said fine, but don't you dare bitch about my food. He never did and they stayed together for like 40 years more until my grandfather died. I think they was happy. I love my grandmother so much, and miss her so. I think she deserved better than my grandfather, he didn't do much, left with gambling debt. But he did his best. But I think if my grandmother hadn't put her foot down as soon as he did stupid stuff she could have been in a really bad situation. He left as much as he could from his fathers insane abuse over his children. My father left as much as he could from his fathers emotional absence. I will leave my fathers fear of showing love and weakness and hope to give my boys warmth and comfort.

[@BlueTressym]

Breaking the cycle, generation by generation

[@chelscara]

Not as extreme as yours but I have a similar story! My great grandmother made a “bad” dinner once very early on in the marriage. He complained about it, expecting her to make something else obviously. She got up, scraped his plate into the trash, and sat back down to eat her portion. He didn’t complain anymore 😂😂

[@BoringTroublemaker]

My husband doesn’t cook at all (unless I’m sick, then he sticks with the most basic stuff) but handles the household chores that suck that hardest and the ones I absolutely hate doing. He freely and regularly admits that he would probably die if I ever left him - of starvation. There’s only so long a man can live on handfuls of lunch meat with mustard squirted on them 😭

[@AngelSBolander]

@@chelscara that was the best story ❤️

[@annabeinglazy5580]

​@@BoringTroublemakerthats what my Partner and i do, except Reverse. He cooks and cleans the kitchen - i clean after the cats and keep the bathroom clean. I will shovel out the litter Box If that means i dont have to Deal with dishes 😂

[@MandyGBX]

Men who claim that women "hit a wall" at a certain age are just telling you that they're actually attracted to children because they get mad when grown women look like adults.

[@georgeb5262]

I think the whole existence of the MILF category kinda disproves the existence of a certain age limit.

[@angelakitty13]

"get em when they're young and dumb"🎉

[@madarah8533]

Men are attracted to fertile women and after 30 a womens fertility declines hard. It makes a lot of sense evolutionary because you cant procreate with infertile women. Thats why most men will prefer a 23 year old woman over a 33 year old woman

[@sbel6626]

@@Verwaygenliterally this. Men can’t actually tell the difference between a 22 year old and a 28 year old. I’m 26 and I get carded all the time. Men just want someone whos inexperienced and easy to mold.

[@andrewzimmer9161]

If something hits a wall and keeps going, that's a sign of quality engineering.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I’m tired of the notion that these guys are lonely and want companionship. No. They’re lonely, and they want a possession. They also don’t see women as human beings, they see them as objects to be acquired as some kind of social currency. It’s depraved and horrific.

[@pigcatapult]

There’s a pipeline. These guys lure in young lonely guys with promises of community and mentorship, then fill their heads with shit

[@AD-dg3zz]

"When I get a girlfriend, that'll show 'em!" Literally their whole motivation.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@AD-dg3zz so true 😂😂

[@w.reidripley1968]

Heck, the misogynists posting on Man Guide are unattractive even to other men.

[@NiteSteel000]

Moral check, If i have friendgirls (frends of the female gender), what point is getting iffy with the clingy? I want to know what to avoid.

[@Valdagast]

I think these people would be _very_ surprised if they actually landed an Asian girlfriend. They are not pushovers.

[@Werevampiwolf]

Yeah lol. Most of my coworkers are Asian girls and they are all 100% willing to throw hands and take no bullshit. Especially the tiny ones that these guys usually fetishize.

[@danboru_bakooo1966]

the same goes for latinas, like they would die of embarrament trying to date a Colombian

[@youdontgetaname2904]

I have family in the military who's been stationed out in Korea and Japan, and the stories of Asian women they brought back are let's say EXTREMELY DIFFERENT from these guys' ideas of Asian women

[@shiratojin]

@@youdontgetaname2904 lol

[@girl1213]

@@youdontgetaname2904That's because they're *real* women, not anime girls. Seriously art doesn't equal real life, but for some reason guys like this think it does

[@AB-ip2ct]

The thing is that there are girls who love anime and/or gaming. Doing meet-ups where all anime lovers can gather & just geek it out would be a great place to meet girls who love these things. Even talking to girls who like anime in your class or work would be a great conversation starter. However, these incels make any anime meet-up very unsafe for girls. They're very weird & gross about how they talk about women. Like my dude, just talk like a normal person. Girls aren't a different species 💀 Not to mention, even having a normal conversation about anime is a nightmare because they don't want to genuinely bond over it. Their main aim is to be condescending & test your knowledge to gauge whether you're worthy of calling yourself a "real" anime fan. It's just off putting and exhausting when someone is constantly on a quest to prove they're superior to you. So yeah, they're their own worst enemy. Absolutely the most insufferable people ever.q

[@naolucillerandom5280]

In real anime-gaming couples, you share the knowledge without judgement and try to get each other into new series to have even more stuff to geek out over.

[@archonfett]

I mean they are a different species than the Incel as a lot of them come off as "aliens probing the internet for data on humans"

[@AB-ip2ct]

@@naolucillerandom5280 Exactly! You want someone who can be excited WITH you instead of trying to bring you down.

[@gorkemaykut5230]

I go to cosplay conventions as a cosplayer and I always see at least one loser with a sign that says "free hugs to girls only" I appreciate the balls they have to be this shameless but I ain't gonna come near you lol

[@Vindicador01]

Not enough girls that like that anyway,it will be a disgusting sausage party We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@etherserra8638]

Omg the whole story about the guy spending a whole hour just standing around trying to ask the worker out, that was my daily life when I used to manage a local video game shop. I would have guys in their 40s just show up and hang around the counter trying to talk to me and ask me out for coffee. I had to literally move around the store to keep working instead of standing around and chatting and they would just follow me around instead taking the hint. It was quite annoying since my job literally depended on me catering to the customer but also trying to avoid being harassed like that. I feel for the girl in the story and how these types of guys just dont understand or take hints.

[@marygard4608]

I would tell those older men they that loitering in the store is not permitted. Buy something or leave. Do not hesitate to call police.

[@Torsanist]

The Click can court me anytime. I would politely decline as I'm aro/ace, but it would truly make my day.

[@claratalbot7613]

As a goth and someone who used to work retail I will never understand why incels have this obsession to just want to stare at us or anyone they find attractive especially at our work places. Like if ur not in need of assistance with something or placing an order pls go away and stop staring at us because it's weird & creepy. We're just doing our job & that doesn't involve a creep staring at us & wanting to "get to know us" ie seeing as an object that they want to possess because of how we look

[@girl1213]

Ever seen Bruce Almighty, where a guy becomes God because he's having a run of hard luck and thinks he can do better than the Big Man? He finds that even with all that power he still can't influence the love of his life to come back to him after he royally screwed up with her because, as God warned him, he can't mess with free will. He's desperately reaching for her and saying (in a rather pathetic voice) "Love me" yet she's unmoved. That's those incels. They don't respect that a girl, no matter how attractive, even ones who used to love them, has free will. They *want* to believe that girls will just "fall in love" with them with just a look. That's why they stare: it's the most *Laziest* attempt to woo. They don't care that you're working, they're focusing on forcing the reality to bend to their ideas (I'm not joking)

[@painunending4610]

Im an incel goth and I wish people would stare at me

[@Rose-kj7rz]

This can go both ways. As a customer, I had one guy worker at a store I love to frequent try to be obnoxious just to get my attention. Things like cutting me off to get to a certain section of the store multiple times, which was quicker than just walking AROUND ME, talking at a normal level until he saw me and then positioned himself right in my line of eyesight and then talking as loud as possible - sometimes in a way that should have embarrassed him, mind you and then attempting to chat with me ONLY when I was already chatting with someone else. Dude never approached me when I was by myself and never thought to actually use his job as an excuse to ask me if I was looking for anything and actually be helpful and maybe start a conversation that way. I honestly don't know what he was expecting me to do in that situation, but my whole thought process was if he couldn't voice what he wanted, then I was just a paying customer and he needed to stay out of my way.

[@girl1213]

@@Rose-kj7rzThe whole "c'mon read my mind" that we all hate so much

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@atlas956]

“they never thought to consider whether the women were happy in these relationships” is SO true. a lot of people will point at the fifties and sixties pretending that alcoholism and eating disorders didn’t run rampant among housewives. like sure, it might have looked like relationship goals, but even in boomer generation couples the “my wife hates me” thing didn’t come out of nowhere. whether a woman was happy rarely even mattered for a wedding, it was more like “oh he seems nice enough and checks objectively reasonable boxes” for a LOT of them.

[@CatotheE]

Men have always given more than they've taken. Always.

[@zlayer3170]

Only Chad thundercock doesn’t cause alcoholism, there is no point for any men, to live in the same civilization with women, they don’t go to the front lines, so they don’t fight for their equality, also their equality is with men money only, to raised their bastards, there is no equality with their holes (the only thing they have to offer) 90% of men (incels and beta cuck) are better off living in a society of just men, which will be powerful and this world will continue to be full of miserable women, and it will also allow us to replace them with machines and grow our own women, this is the only win situation for most of mankind.

[@Jell0be3n]

​@@CatotheEsure pal

[@CatotheE]

@@Jell0be3n Cope and seethe.

[@Jell0be3n]

@@CatotheE yep, you're doing a lot of that.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

Being alone forever scares the hell out of me. But the trend of not only blaming everyone else, but being horrible to them? That stuff needs to end. That's not going to help. Sadly I have no easy solutions, if I did, I'd be happy too. But lashing out and taking others down with you, goes no where good.

[@kimmyb8276]

Firstly I don5 think you'll be alone for the rest of your life 😊 but there are a lot of g9od things about it. Are you an introvert or extrovert? Introvert: you never have to worry about coming home and wanting time alone and not getting it. You can stay up all night and never worry about interrupting anyone or waking anyone up and getting upset. If you are lonely, get a pet. Personally I prefer cats. Extrovert: if you have hobbies, go out! Be social. I hope you have a fantastic group of friends around you or family. Get a pet! They truly love you unconditionally.

[@LaylaSpellwind]

@@kimmyb8276 Pets aren't for me. I have a few dozen plushies, they provide ample company sometimes... Alas I live on an island and the community here is pretty vile, so as much as I'd love to go out, it's just not a viable option. Thank you for your comment though.

[@Dragongamz1]

"Intimidating, Masculine Aura", if you think she is intimidating, then the problem isn't her, it's you

[@PrincessNinja007]

Plot twist- being intimidating is how western women weed out betas 😂

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@PrincessNinja007 But the betas are so cute! Wanna buy them shit and carry them around. Too bad they all too tall XD

[@red_borb]

what if you want to be intimidated?

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@red_borb Damn right!

[@MarcelaElviraTimis]

​@@PrincessNinja007no betas aren't intimidated by an assertuve woman. It's the "alphas" who's egos are too fragile to handle opinions other than their own, lol

[@PhoenixHinds]

The best thing about "incels" is, you know that they aren't going to "breed".

[@bejibenyt9934]

They always talk as if women are livestock like the term “breeding” in these scenarios is gross and basically dehumanising

[@AUDHDlucy]

depends, some of those fedora hats are... SNAZZY... i cant believe i said that. i deserve to have a nightmare when i sleep tonight.

[@w.reidripley1968]

​@@AUDHDlucy...and best paired with a khaki colored trenchcoat. I favor London Fog brand. It has a zip out lining, even.

[@33melonpaws77]

They reproduce via toxic ideology

[@marzipancutter8144]

@@AUDHDlucy I'm not sure if there's even a single incel left wearing even those. Like, do you seriously expect any of them to wear something even remotely close to a fashion statement?

[@sergiogarpla2902]

My biological granfather used to beat my grandmother, it was thanks to divorce being legalized in the 81 that she met my step-grandfather and has lived greatly ever since. They loved and love each other, they chose to be with each other.

[@sergiogarpla2902]

If it werent for the freedom of choosing whoever you want my grandmother wouldnt be where she is rn.

[@rickwrites2612]

My grandma divorced my grandfather in 1959 for beating and choking her. Went to work and raised 2 girls, though grandpa had them every other wknd and paid child support/alimony.

[@TheRandomYoYo]

That Andrew Tate one is literally his MO. Get people who are vulnerable and young to start spending money on his scams, and it also works on inexperienced people gullible enough to follow his tricks so they become vulnerable and go spend money on his "teachings"

[@PerovNigma]

32:50 Let us remember the wise words of _The Twits_ by Roald Dahl: _If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until it gets so ugly you can hardly bear to look at it._ _A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts they will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely._

[@utej.k.bemsel4777]

So true!

[@theceoofeggmansempire5214]

My intrusive thoughts otw to make me uglier:

[@morbidsearch]

I've seen a few incel face reveals. Most of them are average looking twinks.

[@morbidsearch]

Roald Dahl would know first hand. Look up some of the shit he said about the Jews.

[@Pankachu102]

“There is roughly 50% men 50% women”… yes but realistically a lot of the bi people I know who are women have given up on men and just date women lol

[@mjouwbuis]

There has to be attraction in the first place. It's almost never straight women that gave up on men so date women instead, but they range from heteroflexible to bisual to full on lesbian. Maybe slightly more women than men fall in such a spectrum, but still. If you're 100% straight, you wouldn't date the same sex.

[@magnarcreed3801]

AYO that’s me!

[@_extrathicc]

I gave up on heterosexual people as a whole. Seriously, het women are barely better than het men, thankfully I'm male presenting so I don't have to worry much about the later.

[@magnarcreed3801]

@@mjouwbuis Yes but a majority either are not completely straight or those that are don’t feel the urge to but their standards and boundaries that low and would rather stay single and have their community of other women.

[@lindala2602]

And some men are dating other men...

[@AGhostInTheCorner]

As a lesbian who has been rejected for being "too masc" I'm going to add "intimidating, masculine aura" to my bio.

[@thebigfrog8097]

@HellWaffensomeonesss mad she gets more action then you, log off 💀

[@Shifter-1040ST]

I'm glad I found a woman with an 'intimidating, masculine aura' that's not a lesbian

[@kfkkfk7995]

​@@Shifter-1040SThashjshs

[@WynnWynn-gl3fk]

Not hot not cool, be less masculine and grow your hair etc and wear makeup etc

[@thebigfrog8097]

@@WynnWynn-gl3fk nah don’t listen to this dude. If you like your look keep it! You’ll definitely find someone who appreciates it

[@informalnarwhals]

i love that you arent just laughing at incels, you also give genuine caring advice and praise wholesome tales =]

[@amandah2866]

I liked the guy who went into detail about why men need to work on themselves rather than just complaining. He gives me hope.

[@Vindicador01]

He is just a simp desperate for female approval We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@bushybeardedbear]

​@@Vindicador01 Ah, the copy pasted gish gallop.

[@deadtonk5527]

​@@bushybeardedbear I have been following your comments to VinceblablablaIdontremember throughout the comments section, it's hilarious.

[@CatotheE]

Work 3 times as hard for a woman that's 3 times worse than your grandmother.

[@zlayer3170]

There is no point for any men, to live in the same civilization with women, they don’t go to the front lines, so they don’t fight for their equality, also their equality is with men money only, to raised their bastards, there is no equality with their holes (the only thing they have to offer) 90% of men (incels and beta cuck) are better off living in a society of just men, which will be powerful and this world will continue to be full of miserable women, and it will also allow us to replace them with machines and grow our own women, this is the only win situation for most of mankind.

[@bildad_the_shuhite]

It's funny, because all these alphas say that you have to look masculine to get girls, but many girls, including me like more feminine men

[@LilChuunosuke]

I talked to this dude once who said he's been both an emo think and a hyper-masculine muscular manly man & that women were WAY more attracted to him when he was scrawny lmao

[@Wednesdaywoe1975]

Hello, Tom Hiddleston.

[@dickottel]

me too, me tooooo. no big gym guys, not my type.

[@SunshineTheLover]

i watched a video essay on that over a year ago. theres some indication that women actually prefer men who aren't hypermasculine and thats why they scream to the hills about beta males only being chosen for being pushovers

[@AngelinaParker]

Me and my best friend both understand the art of The Femboy

[@chatboulon743]

There is no scenario where it's okay to tell your partner you cheated on them just to "test" them. 🤦‍♀️

[@rebeccacarr5154]

I'm starting to suspect some of these Chad obsessed guys are just in denial about wishing they could hook up with him.

[@ligafftheindifferent3495]

Is that your best comedic jab? Stick to eating paste.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

“Does life get better by having this person around you?” Exactly. What’s that saying I’ve heard a lot lately? Men aren’t competing with men, they’re competing with the peace solitude brings? Lol also a lot of the people commenting back against incels and patriarchal bullshit give me so much hope, omg.

[@rabidfirefox8914]

Men aren't even competing with peace or solitude. They are competing with pets. My dogs bark, whine, eat garbage, cause messes, make me clean up after them and cost a lot of money but I find it worth it because they love and honestly try to help. Most of these Incels seem allergic to genuine human connections

[@Sarah-re7cg]

@@rabidfirefox8914 apologies, “solitude” in the sense of (human) partnership. Lol what kind of dogs do you have?

[@rabidfirefox8914]

@@Sarah-re7cg Three big buttholes. A Collie, a Lab and a hound. They are the best boyfriends but they Love.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Why do you think they so loud? Their bullshit isn't the gold standard anymore. It stopped being normal on Jan 1 1960 :P We're normal, they're crazy. Because we minimize harm.

[@The_Winsome_Pixie]

The type of guys we’re talking about are perpetual victims too, and what partner wants to deal with that? These dudes will always blame their wife/girlfriend (or the world) for everything because they lack accountability and the ability to self reflect. Overgrown babies, basically.

[@Kai-here]

I love how some ppl use the name Tyrone to suggest that they mean a black man, but in reality Tyrone is a county in Northern Ireland and is very white, very Irish name.

[@lord_xylozdoomsday959]

That means that the tyrone prison joke can be about a potato

[@18Hongo]

​@@lord_xylozdoomsday959 Anything remotely related to the Irish can be a potato joke.

[@morbidsearch]

Okay but the reason Irish counties have weird names is because the British misheard all the original Irish names.

[@eitherlight6197]

Thank you so much Click. I've really been trying to break out of the incel rabbit hole I've dug myself into.

[@greeneye3590]

You being here is already an accomplishment🎉keep up the good work!

[@arthurian__lgnd]

Kudos to you. Like the person above me said. Being here is an accomplishment. Just keep working toward unlearning your behaviors and reconstruct them to be in a healthier mindset especially towards others. (Not just women either)

[@uberculex]

Virgin until 26-27. Now I'm married. The most import thing I learned is to be ok with myself being single. You can get companionship from people without having a partner. Then if you really click with someone, you won't be as afraid of rejection.

[@skittlemilks1614]

Hope you make it out. I can’t really watch this stuff anymore. There’s only so many brain cells I’m willing to part with lol. Keep on keeping on.

[@AinuLaire]

Good luck man. Work on yourself and you'll find yourself much happier in the long run.

[@jsk-art]

Idk what that guy was complaining about, I love women with an intimidating, masculine, aura

[@AAKing-d8b]

You sound gay

[@oliverrowley4405]

Same

[@oliverrowley4405]

Same

[@MikeDrube]

About 2 years ago someone on the internet called me a gaycell. I made a comment under a post about someone's high body count and I explained why I don't understand why people find this impressive. I also wrote about myself that I am 34 (at the time), that my boddycount was 0 and I explained why it was 0 (I had a lot of emotional trauma and mental health assuse and because of this I didn't trust anyone) and that it will never be very high. Then his comment came and I asked him why he called me a gaycell. His response was that my explanation is just an excuse and the truth is that I blame others for not having sex. So his explanation was that I was lying. I hate it when people think they know me or know better what's going on in my head.

[@NegaHumanX]

To me, it sounds like the guy was lashing out. He probably felt threatened because you questioned the impressiveness of his body count brag. People who are secure in themselves wouldn't post stuff like that on the internet for others to awe at. He was probably looking for validation and got tilted when your question suggested it wasn't a big deal.

[@MikeDrube]

@@NegaHumanX Yes, that sounds like a plausible explanation, but to be honest, I never really thought about what his motivation might have been.

[@skittlemilks1614]

Nothing wrong with having/wanting a high body count but this guy sounds like he has issues. Never even heard of “gay cell” before lol

[@AinuLaire]

Sounds like ace erasure too

[@FloNess1]

​@@NegaHumanXthe whole thing about body count is weird to me, I have had quite a few sexual relationships but I would have to go through the names and count them to tell you the answer, it's so weird to me that they keep track of it and just know their body count

[@Toxic.Mangaka]

13:41 this yelp review will constantly haunt me online forever I guess. This review was about me. I was working at subway during this time. The guy never made any effort to speak to me either. Him and his friend just sat at a table for hours on end being very annoying and trying to “sneak” glances at me. Later that evening when I had to go clean the restrooms (he was the last guy in the men’s room that night) there was pee all over the floor, and the toilet seat. I was not being paid enough at the time to clean up after a gROWN MAN. I literally had to have a discussion with my boss about this review the next day.

[@pigcatapult]

Oof!

[@thestoryKeeper123]

☠️

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

Incels: *lists all the impossible standards they claim girls have for guys.* Me: *looks as the friends and family around me who are in committed relationships* None of the guys meet those standards, and none of the girls look like photoshopped Barbie dolls. Huh, it’s almost like the media has set some inhuman criteria for what is acceptable and it’s making people miserable.

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right,women are the judges of a man worth in this society,making dating almost impossible for young men. Here are some reasons why dating is impossible for young men feel free to dispute me: There are more men than womeb specially below 40 More female asexuals than male asexuals Women are much more picky,choosy,judgy specially in dating Women They are much content alone than men, due in part to the little society punishment that single women have,single men suffer humiliation, degradation and displacement specially virgin men Virgin men are unattractive to most women Short guys(5'6 and below)are unattractive to almost all women Men have to do the approach Women have much lower sex drive than men and are more harder to arouse. We are right in almost every point yet people like to lie. Men are in the most risky jobs and also more men die in much more numbers and also die younger wtf,and women tell themaelves they are the ones that are opressed.disgusting gynocentric society.

[@gaia7240]

Ok but if you have a brain you don't listen to media to begin with

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

@@gaia7240 so, you’re saying we shouldn’t blame society for setting more and more impossible standards, we should blame children and teens for being influenced by society? You see how that doesn’t really work, right? And I know there’s adult incels, but if that’s what they’ve grown up with, and they already lack a social life, the only way for them to “learn” about the world is social media. As such, if social media tells them “look like Henry Cavill or you’ll be a perma-virgin until you croak.” They’re going to believe that, cuz no one is telling them otherwise. Saying “just don’t be influenced by the standards of society” is a bit like telling a depressed person to not be sad. It’s not something they have any control over.

[@timewarpblackhole]

Absolutely, the Internet makes it so much worse. I think we all need to connect with reality more and realise that human connection is more than just how you look or how much money you have. We have so much more value than that

[@MrAlexanderLang]

@@gaia7240 Yes including this one.

[@kenny6643]

3:00 valid. Now that women have independence and their own money, we have to bring more to the relationship than just a job and money. I think that’s why a lot of guys are crying about women these days because women are forcing us to have to improve which is something people in general don’t want to do.

[@afonphoenix16]

You're totally right. It's also why they rage about "feminism ruining the world." Women aren't unemployed and confined to the house anymore. They want the control over women they used to have.

[@elaexplorer]

A relationship is much better and more fulfilling when the people involved WANT each other rather than NEED each other.

[@austinluther5825]

As a gay man, I can't help but wonder how many of these guys are super closeted. It's gotta be at least some of them.

[@John_Weiss]

As Internet Uncle-Gay🏳‍🌈, I'm pretty sure not many of them. Misogyny is kinda rampant amongst us, but it tends to be of the, "eeew! ladyparts!" kind, not the "wamens-are-mah-propertai" kind. Also, incels, just send out heteronormative-BS vibes. I can see, however, why you'd draw the conclusion you did, since both incels and the super-closeted radiate out a subconscious redirected-self-hate.

[@Speederzzz]

I've seen a few who are probably trans, they hate the male body and worship the female body. I saw a docu about a group of incels where one just constantly talked how much he hates not being a woman.

[@LiamLoves]

It would stand to reason the hatred of women brings about a sort of intellectually induced homosexuality.

[@Rampart.X]

Maybe the catty ones use it as a cover story. "Ghei bachelor" makes a lot of sense now.

[@pendafen7405]

@@John_Weiss the amount of 'fish', 'hag', 'flaps' and similar comments I've heard unprovoked from gay men is unreal. It can get genuinely nasty and vulgar. After such experiences, I sadly believe that more men than not fundamentally and intrinsically hate women (ironic, since they wouldn't exist without women).

[@LothlorBass]

For Every post you went over, the only thought in my head was “oh my god please go outside”

[@endlesshaze5647]

One day on one anonymous chat site i was just talking with other acexuals under #acexuality hashtag And met this dude. He asked me about meaning of asexuality and i was glad to explain. But then he said "so acexual girl would be a virgin? It's hard to find virgins those days" And i was like "well, actually, not necessary..." "But most likely? So i need to look for acexual girl" I said "you know she wouldn't be interested in sex with you either?" "Well most people do things they don't like for their parther" Gross.

[@-alovelygaycat-]

Think I just threw up in my mouth a bit. That’s disgusting.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

Well I mean technically there are ace people who are neutral to sex and will still do it out of love for their partner, but Im 99,99% sure that approaching an ace person and asking them if they would be willing to do that will not get you very far at all... Also I sincerely doubt an Incel would have the patience to build a stable romantic relationships knowing they wont get sex out of it for a long time, considering how much they seem to hate being around women and how entitled they are.

[@Sr_ECO]

Ew

[@jacindapeters2303]

Disgusting

[@NoSoyDib]

Put him To Sleep.

[@DapperWendigo]

Yknow… for people who complain and cry all over the internet for women’s “impossible” standards… They seem to have THE MOST impossible standards, like the whole “looks 18, shy, [insert Standard here], [insert standard here], and [insert standard here].

[@kaelin_cherise]

Women: the bar is ON THE FLOOR. Just show up, do your part, and look decent. Remember my birthday and important anniversaries. Men: 18, Virgin, hair color, eye color, waist size, cup size, ethnicity/race, class, background, spell slot 1- whoops started reading off a character sheet.

[@DapperWendigo]

@@kaelin_cherise Yeahhhhhh it kinda sucks whenever so few people meet that bar that they’re like “OMG HE REMEMBERS MY BDAY!!” And I’m just like “that’s…that’s the bare minimum… that’s what they’re supposed to do”

[@kaelin_cherise]

@WinterDudeBro and we tell Men that and it's like they respond with a collective groan like "ugggghhh you mean we're supposed to do MOREE??"

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

​@@kaelin_cheriseI gotta say I've met plenty women with the same unrealistic expectations as those incel types. As in 'worship me just for breathing' also you need to earn this much, have xyz career and look like an Adonis or you're unworthy of my mere presence. Asshattery goes both ways. I think if the 'nice girls' types Click also drags through the mud on this channel were forced to date only 'nice guys' and vice versa, that would make for hilarious reality TV. (Also the human race would die out if all men and women had to meet the standards of THOSE people.)

[@kaelin_cherise]

@diarmuidkuhle8181 I'm not saying they don't exist, but yes. Please if TLC can make m*lf manor an actual TV show, please get nice girls v nice guys. I'd love to watch all the drama

[@MidoriyamaRArekusu]

23:57 I think the point in S**t shaming coupled with anger at women who won’t do it with them is that they believe they’re naturally entitled to a woman of their own; so long as they can pick and choose which woman they get because it is, also, a main character syndrome.

[@naturebehindglass6512]

There is a joke in German... Translated it would be: do you know the difference between a slut and a bitch? The slut will sleep with everyone, and the bitch will sleep with everyone except you"

[@Beardqt]

The way you openly talk about the ups and downs of masculinity and the reality of toxicity being a vibe really helped me realize a few things, thank you.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

“Your grandfather was probably a horrible husband.” Oof, this hurts to know how real it is. I’ve talked with my mom and mema and they always say that Popop, as I knew him, was NOT the man they grew up with. He was distant, moody, emotionally neglectful to a HIGH degree, and generally unpleasant to be around until he eventually retired. He got a lot better, but that was, in part, due to the fact that retired life forced him to actually _be with his family and get along._ it took our family years of therapy to get over how badly Poppop sometimes did as a father figure. Things worked out for the best, but honestly? Maybe things shouldn’t _have to_ work out. Maybe people shouldn’t take a lifetime to become decent people and we shouldn’t waste half our life’s trying to appreciate life. Maybe we should just try and get things right now so we don’t regret it later… Edit: OMFG I completely forgot to mention this, but Poppop was actually the best grandfather that I had. My dad's dad was a straight up PDF-file (censored for KZbin) sociopath who we stopped seeing over a decade before he died, after my parent's learned of the things he'd done. So it can, in fact, always be worse 😅

[@Fluff_Noodles]

Lmao this comment hit my heart because it's been repeated in my family so many times and so I sent a screenshot of it to the family GC and they blocked me 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 taking this one straight to therapy thank you for the funniest moment ever 😆

[@Ratleen]

Right there with you. My papa died about 3 years ago and now that he’s gone my grandma and dad have been slowly unpacking what a volatile and selfish husband he was- to the point that my grandma was ready to go back to her home country because of him several times over the 60+ years they were together.

[@helvete_ingres4717]

what makes you think your grandma was a decent person?

[@CatotheE]

@@helvete_ingres4717 Because women are saints, man. Women are saints.🤪

[@bushybeardedbear]

@@helvete_ingres4717 One would assume they knew their grandmother better than random guy with a PFP that screams "I smell my own delicious farts."

[@LucyOriel]

I think it was ContraPoints who pointed out that a lot of incels are, physically, perfectly fuckable. They convince themselves that they're so hideously ugly that nobody would ever want them but it really does come down to attitude and hygiene above all.

[@aninternetuser8102]

If all that mental baggage wasn't there touching some grass and taking a good shower would really be enough for most of these people.

[@scifirealism5943]

Yeah. I'm an incel and people say I loom fine.

[@TophinatorStreams]

It’s literally just internet tribalism. Even calling yourself an “incel” is a doomer-presupposition. @scifirealism5943 , you and most other misled young men are bachelors. It’s a better outlook. Call it an “over-share” to present as an incel. You’ll be fine.

[@morbidsearch]

Most guys I know who physically present as "neckbeards" are great to hang out with, fully embrace their nerdy interests and many are in long term relationships. Guys who actually fit the neckbeard personality are stick thin and can't grow a beard to save their lives.

[@naamahdarling]

​@@morbidsearch YES YES YES. Large dudes (of whatever height, I love a short king) often with scruff who dress casual and are probably huge nerds? TERRIFICALLY attractive! I wish more men like this would realize and have faith that there are plenty of people genuinely very into it. Someone who rejects you based on hateful opinions about your appearance is a bullet dodged. Thank your lucky stars the trash took itself out. Ugh. You do not want someone like that around for life!

[@SevenQs]

7:58 every so often I remember the phrase “pussy facing the world” and try not to laugh out loud in public

[@chrisrenemans5026]

“Your grandfather was probably an awful husband” what a line. Gonna use this as a daily insult

[@Myuxi-i8x]

I know him, no he wasn't.

[@BlertaPupu]

Both my grandpas were actually awful husbands, cheating, gaslighting, controlling....🤬

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

"youre not in trouble" indeed she isnt, he could be if she wanted to sue him. which I fully recommend for her to do.