LGB Separatism | Gordon A. Bishop

[@SarastistheSerpent]

As a cis gay guy who has dated trans guys in the past, I find it the height of irony that these same people say that trans people merely existing somehow “erases homosexuality”, meanwhile have told me explicitly that I am not actually gay because I have dated trans guys. That is the very definition of erasing someone’s homosexuality

[@ADITYASHARMA-im2qo]

Yes i also like vaginas and i am a gay guy Totally doesnt erase homosexuality. These bigots .

[@SarastistheSerpent]

@@ADITYASHARMA-im2qoI never said I liked vaginas. Where did you see me say I like vaginas? I don’t in fact have any real sexual interest in genitals at all. I’m not the biggest fan of penises. I’m attracted to _men_ not genitals. I’m not a penis-sexual, I’m a homosexual. Also, just so you’re aware, trans men can have penises. And cis men can not have penises. And people who are not men can also have penises. Many trans women have penises, yet I don’t know any gay men who are attracted to trans women. I wonder why that would be?

[@JadeMartin-hd4pw]

PERIODT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Hey_im_Marcy]

​@@derekb4977 damn you want buck angel in the women's bathroom so bad don't you

[@jacktherabbit2238]

"cis"? You mean normal? You don't need a special identifier for 99.7% of people, you already have the word trans. The 0.3%

[@holy.diever]

As a gay trans furry,,, we dont want dog marriage legal either

[@yakuzaman5074]

Exactly. I'm a gay transgender man, who is a furry artist and nurse!! 😂 I'm just so sick of the pick me, lesbians, gays, bisexuals, regurgitating the same bull crap the hetero said about them 50 years ago .. I'm not kidding, look up at the anti-gay commercials when you used to make it seem like I'm a gay man went near you you would get "sick" or grape. They even compare drag queens to a whole bunch of sick things.

[@gordonabishop]

I feel I have a moral obligation to pin this for a bit so people know I was joking LMAO

[@holy.diever]

@gordonabishop i cant believe my first pinned comment on this web site was about dog marriage 😭

[@V1zkus]

@@holy.dievertragic

[@Fabystephy]

Woof

[@kc8391]

The more I live as a trans person, the more I realize how gender norms are absolute bollocks. I've always been scrutinized by the way I acted and dressed, and even if I wasn't a trans man, why is it such a big deal for a woman to act and dress masculinely? It's just so dumb to me, and simply not fitting into these arbitrary lines showed me just how narrow they actually are. Also, whenever people talk about detransition, there's this very creepy tone that corries about the people's fertility, I feel. In documentaries and videos by detrans grifters, it's talked about how they'll "never be able to have children" or how their fertility is so down... when doctors tell you explicitly to still use birth control when you're taking hormones, because there's no guarantee they'll make you infertile. At this point in my life, I see myself as a trans man, but if I changed my mind in a few years, why would it be such a big deal? What would change if not my identity? Even if I changed my style to a more femenine one, why is being a woman with a deep voice, flat chest and larger muscles so bad? To me this is all arbitrary. Getting hormones or surgery shouldn't be such a big deal. It should be treated as any other kind of plastic surgery or hormonal treatment. Let people live in the bodies they want; let butches get top surgery; let femmes take estrogen. Why does it matter so much to these people?

[@kc8391]

People shouldn't have to cater to you and viceversa, and that idea prevents so many people from being who they really are. As long as you don't hurt anyone, does it really matter at all?

[@superdrwholock]

True, all you’ve got to do is look at those transvestigators to see how ridiculous it all is, they think every celebrity is trans and they think trans celebrities have basically detransitioned, they even turn on themselves accusing each other of being secretly trans, it’s hilarious and also depressing cos they’re truly wasting their lives and rotting their brains with hatred

[@simonw.1223]

​@@superdrwholockwell the trwns community is also full of hate.

[@spacecat6022]

You said all that I think (except I am agender) But you expressed all I think, yes society is still so stuck to those gender norms, they turn crazy when someone don't comply enough. Even for trans people they need to put boxes how you must act as a transman or transwoman. And yes, detransition is never a proof that transitioning for everyone else is bad, not even for the person detransitioning. They felt they had to transition and now they don't, so they detransition, what's the big deal? People should all be free to live as they want as long as it doesn't hurt others and being trans or not obeying the gender norms doesn't hurt anyone, in fact it make people happier, so the others should just mind their business. And as an asexual, that fertility thing repulses me. Still like if the value of someone's life was if they had babies or not. They cannot understand many do not put that in their priorities or even on their list at all. Fine if it's someone's top of the list but no need to force it on anyone else. Anyway there is always adoption if someone wants kids and cannot. I wish you a happy life and free to live as you want.

[@jacktherabbit2238]

Many reasons, one, many actual women need those services. Two men in women's sports. Three being told your a Nazi for not wanting to date one. 4 ridiculous ideas like "biology isn't real". You honestly give yourself a bit too much credit where it's simply not due, there's a reason why it's a 2 sided issue.

[@axeldude7051]

Sylvia Rivera was a gay/trans rights activist and trans woman herself who cocreated the STAR organization with Marsha P.Johnson in the 70s. They fought back against police harassment and homelessness in queer populations. They offered help to our community because they were our community. Sylvia herself was homeless for a long time before she died of cancer. When the first few pride parades were being organized, they didn’t want for trans people to participate in the parade. Sylvia found this ridiculous and in one of these events she was booed off stage when she took the mic and declared that if it wasn’t for trans people of color like her, the gay liberation movement wouldn’t be where it was. And that was true. Infighting in our community distracts from the larger issue of discrimination and hate crimes. History repeats itself if we don’t look back on it.

[@ijansk]

No. He was a gay man in support of gay rights. There were no trans rights movement until the 90's.

[@axeldude7051]

@@ijansk it’s an easy google search to see she identified as a trans woman later on in her life 😭 the trans rights movement was well alive in the 60s hon

[@marilaynxoxo66]

​@@ijanskmost sources indicate she/her pronouns and that sylvie identified fully as trans, took hrt

[@KAW-69]

​@@axeldude7051 no. I looked it up at X and it said that HE was not trans and trans ppl do not exist. /j

[@axeldude7051]

@@ijansk and yet everybody addresses her as “she” and “miss”🤔

[@Faelanidk]

As a young trans guy living in the uk rn it’s actually so so scary rn, these kinds of groups have realy chipped away at the public’s perception of trans people, like having queer people say that trans people are lesser or some kind of parasite has grown the hate for us even more. It’s BAD

[@gordonabishop]

💜 Sending you lots of love. It is a scary time. I know exactly what you mean and that’s why I made this video. I think it’s important for me, as a gay man, to publicly support trans liberation. I have a pretty small following but this video has already reached more people than I expected, so I hope it can (in some small way) help shift the conversation in a kinder direction.

[@Faelanidk]

@@Abi-kk4nl what r u actually waffling about? I’m using queer just as a term for the lgbt it’s just an easier way of saying “like having the lgbt community but without the t part saying…l trust me there r bigger issues hurting the community than my use of a reclaimed term to describe the lgbt community in a comment with 4 likes. Plus I’m gay too im not like being homophobic dawg calm down 😭🙏

[@Faelanidk]

@@Abi-kk4nl I don’t care for online arguments, all I know is that a vast majority of lgbt people don’t so much mind the term queer. It doesn’t have the same weight as the f slur anymore

[@MojaveMoron]

@@Abi-kk4nl can you teach me this skill? It's always been my dream to say absolutely nothing with far too many words, if you could train me in the art of the waffle I would be forever in your debt.

[@theresas740]

​@Faelanidk some of us find "queer" gravely insulting.

[@AnMuiren]

As a kid, I was somebody many felt safe coming out for the first time. Some became like family, but over the years kept saying I must be gay. I would agree, except I felt gay being attracted to girls. Both gay and straight friends said things like "How do you know you're not gay if you've never tried?" I was told so often I came to believe maybe I was unconsciously in denial. When I committed to gender transition 20+ years ago, I lost my family and friends, straight and gay. Picture gay people so lacking self-awareness they thought it was OK to out me in public, something they'd never do to any "normal" gay person. They are worse now than when I moved away.

[@Jesse47249]

​@@AnMuiren There is a quote from a great Brazilian thinker that says: 'When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor.' I think this is what is happening to gay people now. Anyway, I’m sorry for what you went through. I hope you're doing better now. Always remember that there will always be people out there who acknowledge and support you!

[@huldanoren951]

The fact that gender nonconforming trans people exist disproves Maia's entire argument

[@RoseSapphic]

F1nnster to the rescue

[@AntonioRivera28]

those people are not trans. they are just narcissists

[@kafkaesquephoenix]

gender queer person here, my dad is a massive ally and he constantly just says the rhetoric against trans folk now is just the rhetoric people used against gay people when he was growing up

[@inconsistizzy]

omg im so happy for you😭💞💞supportive dad W!!!!

[@whoviating]

The same rhetoric right down to the same dang words!

[@ВладСетонов]

He's wrong

[@inconsistizzy]

@@ВладСетонов literally how

[@beans4126]

@@ВладСетонов how?

[@kallie5125]

I mean besides the transphobia what always confused me about lgb is why would bi people be offended by trans people like that, bi/pan and trans people were practically made for eachother 😅

[@jacktherabbit2238]

Being bi doesn't mean ppl should accept the radical ideas many of the trans identity spread, you've made it clear you don't want to assimilate and be accepted. You want control and special treatment. "Transphobia" has lost all meaning because of how anything normal is casted as bad. "Lesbians don't like penis" = bigoted? Telling lesbians to take it is one of the many examples of how the trans movement is inherently anti child, homophobic, misogynistic, and misandrinistic all at the same time. On top of calling everyone Nazi for not kissing ass.

[@Albinojackrussel]

I feel like that's part of the reason that I've yet to see *any* bi "lgb drop the t" types. We aren't intimidated by why changes to gender norms means for us and our sexuality, and we know we're next on the chopping block of the trans people are kicked out.

[@morganlancer]

​@@Albinojackrusselthat's true, and let's add that gays and straight people's transphobia, especially when it comes to dating, is purely logical. Because if you are gay and dating a trans woman, you immediately are invalidated as a gay person because officially that trans woman IS a woman. On the other side of the equation, if a straight man ends up with a trans woman, he immediately get accused for being gay because that trans woman TECHNICALLY is a man. To a bisexual, a trans woman changes nothing, because it's already declared that he likes men and women.

[@gogetyourgun1490]

Don't be fooled, the LGB drop the T folks have been pretty biphobic. Some even ended up dropping the B 🙄

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

​@@AlbinojackrusselI have watched many of these lgb alliance videos youtubers video and most of them atleast brad is not support of lgb cutting off t but what I know about the bisexual people they aren't going anywhere pls stop fear mongering and the bi vs gays and lesbain from what I know from there channels that specially in lesbain and bisexual women case the lesbains are reluctant to date them bcs most of these women at the end choose a man over the lesbain women so this need to be solved

[@hottwunk420]

The whole gender nonconforming kid argument thing always falls so flat for me. I was very girly as a kid and was "gender conforming" with my agab. It was in middle school where I realized I wanted to go through a male puberty instead. Like a decade later, here I am: full beard, loving my body hair, growing out my hair, and being extremely feminine. It's almost shocking how much transphobes have to ignore the existence of gnc trans people in order to keep blabbing on with their relabeled homophobia.

[@b_ely]

Do people who say they want to separate the lgb from the tq+ based on the difference between identity and sexual orientation realise that the 'plus' includes sexual orientation too?? Like asexual, aromatic, pansexual...etc. This also ignores how multifaceted identify can be - people don't pick and choose gender identity or orientation and dividing them isolates and others parts of identity further. Dividing an already marginalised community even further is dangerous - we need to lift each other up, not marginalise each other further.

[@jasonthewatchmansson8873]

You can't even spell "aromantic," let alone understand it. What you have listed are not sexual orientations. They are attitudes towards sex which some people may hold for a period of time and then not.

[@AntonioRivera28]

LGB covers it all. the others are just made up nonsense

[@zabazor_makes]

This video is only 2 days old, and we no longer have the "Weekend at Bernie's" scenario. Thank goodness he stepped down, maybe the dems have a chance now.

[@gordonabishop]

🌴 *COCONUT HIVE RISE UP* 🌴

[@VivekPatel-ze6jy]

​@@gordonabishopBig sister General Momala 2024

[@ThatFlamingFroggo]

Also note that fairly recently he rescinded support for Trans-Youth, so. Not really an ally either. Kamala, I have little idear where she stands but is levels above Trump, so.

[@whoviating]

@@ThatFlamingFroggo No, he didn't. His administration issued a confusing statement about surgery for under-18s, followed shortly after by a still kinda-confusing statement that even so was clear that the final decision should rest with the 3 Ps: patient, parents, and physician.

[@NeighborhoodOfBlue]

I honestly wish the term GRSM (Gender, Romantic and Sexual Minorities) would catch on. It's a better umbrella term.

[@jasonthewatchmansson8873]

You lump gender minorities and sexual minorities together even though they are 2 different things, but not religious or ethnic minorities. You are exclusionary.

[@decati31]

​@@jasonthewatchmansson8873and you are dumb

[@QuikVidGuy]

@@jasonthewatchmansson8873 That makes. No sense.

[@mikelmontoya2965]

About the fourth point, it's very discouraging to see how many gay men believe that if you're attracted to trans men you aren't gay. Just yesterday I got downvoted to hell on r/askgaybros (there're so many great & relatable posts on this sub, but I've been checking it less & less lately due to the rampant bigotry) for saying this: " _What am I supposed to call myself then? I'm exclusively attracted to men (cis or trans, I really don't care) & sexually repulsed by women. In what world is that being bi? It's ridiculous._ _I don't think there's anything wrong with gay men being sexually repulsed by female genitalia, just like I don't think there's anything wrong with me, as a gay man as well, being sexually repulsed by women, but I think their angry demand for people like me to adopt an identity (bi) that clearly doesn't align with our experience & that would make everyone around us confused (if I started calling myself bi nobody would believe me, since everyone knows I'm exclusively attracted to men & sexually repulsed by women) is nonsense, and I simply refuse to give in: I'm a gay man, whether people on this sub like it or not._ " These were the kinds of responses that I got: " _You are a male(sex) individual who is attracted to both male(sex) and female(sex) individuals. You are, by definition, a bi(sex)ual. There is nothing wrong with you as a man being sexually attracted to some men and some women. There is a problem that you think the particularities around which type of women you are into changes the definition of gay for the rest of us. You are not a gay man by definition, you merely identify as one. You can identify as green, but it does not make it so._ "

[@gordonabishop]

@@mikelmontoya2965 Ah, r/gaybros and r/askgaybros. I admit to spending too much time lurking there a while back lol. It is a content goldmine. I recall that a KZbinr named Jacob Michael covered some popular topics from there, you might enjoy his content! I’m sorry that this happened to you though. It’s honestly such a ridiculous thing to say. Obviously men who are attracted to trans men are still gay… because being gay = being attracted to men. To paraphrase ContraPoints (I believe this was in one of her videos), I think we have a bad theory about what it means to be gay.

[@legoshirocha]

@JustinW332trans men are trans men 🙄!! Why people get so offended by logic 😂

[@123456qwerty939]

those replies are right though. gay means homosexual means same sex attracted, it was never about what "gender" you're attracted to and that kind of redefinition of what gay means is inherently homophobic. if you're attracted to men and trans identified women you are bisexual because you are attracted to both sexes even though you say you're not attracted to women. a "trans man" is still a woman even if she had her breasts removed and has been taking testosterone for years because you cannot change your sex

[@JosilyneTwigg]

​@@123456qwerty939 That's not exclusively true We can change over half of the features that dictate our sx - those being bone structure, bone density, chromosomes, hormones, and internal/external genitalia Of those we can change all but one, chromosomes Bone density and bone structure can changed if you're on hormones before age 25 (which is average age of when the bones fuse) Hormones can be changed with… hormones And internal/external genitalia can be changed through surgery If you disagree, please define male or female in terms that would allow for no overlap, including only people of that group, while excluding anyone outside the group My definitions (a simplified version of the 3 sx categories used in advanced biology): Male - someone who generally the culmination of more testosterone dominant traits when compared with the population Female - someone who generally the culmination of more estrogen dominant traits when compared with the population Intersex - someone who generally has a mix of both estrogen and testosterone dominant traits These definitions allow for everyone to be included, including trans and intersex people if they so desire to be

[@123ao0]

​@@JosilyneTwiggTrans want to teach gay men what it is to be gay. They want to rewrite sexualities to fit in! Sexuality has always been defined by sex! If you're a woman and you identify as a man, we gays have nothing to do with that! Stop teaching gay men what it is to be gay! You seem like Christian conservatives wanting to heal us and force us to have a straight couple's life.

[@AConnorDN38416]

The argument about not dating trans people being transphobic isn’t that you are transphobic if you are not attracted to trans people, but rather, it’s transphobic to have the stance that you will not date a trans person. It’s like if someone says they would never date a black person, is that racist? I would say yes because you’re not simply reacting to your attraction or lack there of to specific people, but rather making a blanket assertion about an incredibly diverse group of people that you could not find them attractive. There is inherent prejudice in that position. When it comes to trans people, you might have a trans person that is basically indistinguishable from a cis person based on appearance. In this case, you may very well find them very attractive, but then you if find out that they’re trans and this mere fact alone makes them unacceptable as a partner, (not their appearance or their genitalia if they’ve had bottom surgery) then you are discriminating against them purely on the basis of who they are and not any particular unattractive trait, then that is transphobia. Like if someone found out the girl they were dating had a black great grandmother and this shocking fact was unacceptable, that would be racism.

[@UwU_nada_importante]

There are people that don't like the fact that their partner was of the other gender before. They find it as a turn off. And it is a different thing, because if your partner is transgender, it affects you. But your partner's grandparents do not affect you anyway. And sex and race are different things. Race does not matter when talking about sexuality, but sex does. And let's say you are right, is there something wrong with it? Let people live their lives, you don't have the right to get in my bed and tell me who the fuck I can fuck. Just mind your fucking business, because that is what the LGBT movement is about, letting people live their lives.

[@bulbasato]

What a load of bull****. Not wanting to date black people and not wanting to date trans people are two completely different things, because being black and being trans ARE completely different. The other person being black does not affect sexual intimacy (both physical and psychological) in any way, shape or form. Being trans, however, does, for obvious reasons, since we are talking about sex and gender (and not race, so stop it). You identify as a man / woman? Fine. You cannot / don't want to transition? Fine. But do not demand others to concede their bodies and affection to you. Attraction, sex, even love, are not something people owe you just because "otherwise they are transphobic". That is such a vile, disgusting, dishonest and unfair thing to say.

[@thehoneygrabberz]

​@@bulbasato did you even read the comment?

[@Nathouuuutheone]

​@@bulbasato not true at all. Being trans does not affect intimacy. Trans bodies are not uniform. There is no ultimate all-encompassing tans experience. People's bodies do not change the second they declare being trans. Cis people can have medical histories just as impactful for sex as any trans person's medical history. And not two trans people's medical history is the same.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

I always say: trans people are not a monolith. They have different bodies and personalities and it is LITERALLY impossible for someone, without being explicitly told who is trans, to consistently have their sexual attraction be defined by whether someone is trans or not. Sexuality does come into play with gender, presentation, anatomy, personality. But "trans" doesn't cover a single one of those things. The only way it becomes relevant is when people consciously and actively discriminate, which is literally transphobia.

[@Gmill3r]

You know what happens when the “T” is lost?? Next goes the “B” then the “G” until the whole is systematically erased….easier for the fascists to do it this way, THINK ABOUT IT. We need to stick together, we are stronger this way.

[@PossumMedic]

When I was a teen there were people fighting to drop the B 😔

[@Sairfecht]

BS. Let the TQIA2S+ so their own thing.

[@brodericksiz625]

@@Sairfecht None of us is free until all of us are free

[@CemeteryDriveClown]

@@brodericksiz625 I hope freedom is soon

[@wacawaka1802]

If you fight us homophobes you’ll lose to those homophobes” abusing BF logic

[@loganmacgyver2625]

32:41 when I was a really small kid I had a doll I really liked. Dad was teased for it a lot at work. Recently I went to his workplace once to bring him something and his coworkers asked me if I still play with dolls being an adult. Told them that I play with soldiers now (bf is in the army actually). The look on their face was priceless

[@Bareq_99]

I have no skin in this game as a cishet guy but looking at history.. this separation thing always puzzled me being "one of the good ones" has proven that it doesnt work! just google what happened to the "jews for Hitler" group also trans people always supported the gays since forever.. and trans people are literally rooted in biology WAY more than gay people could ever.. it is why also the first recorded trans person in history is older than the first recorded gay person so like.. this community exists because of trans people.. if anyone has the right to ask for a separation it is trans people.. not LGB people..

[@wacawaka1802]

@@Bareq_99 bareq is a homophobe, ignore him

[@ajaxbird2348]

My main issue with the way many people present the "is it transphobic to not date trans people" is that it assumes a lot about trans people's bodies. Amir said that he wouldn't date a trans man because of a genital preference, but there are many trans people who have surgeries that change that. If that was his only issue, he shouldn't have a problem dating a trans man who had phalloplasty or a trans woman who hasn't had bottom surgery. But I doubt that either of these are the case.

[@Sairfecht]

So am I allowed to identify as a gay man who is only sexually attracted to biological men? It’s just how I am. I was born this way.

[@Lensical]

There is an unchangeable psychological aspect to one's sexual orientation. As a Bisexual man, I do not need to know a Man or Woman's (at the ages of 18 and up) chromosomes to confirm my attraction to them. Transphobia hurts, guys. It hurts everyone.

[@Acidfunkish]

Sex is bimodal, not binary.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

Exactly. A binary implies that 1) there is only a single thing called sex when it’s actually an entire host of characteristics, and 2) that it’s an on/off switch when really each characteristic exists on a spectrum from male to female, and in some cases (like gonads) also an a scale of differentiation to association.

[@Milo-hp9fw]

@ijansk So would my mom be sexless? She no longer produces eggs. Would every post menopausal woman not be female anymore? Would every man that can't produce sperm not be male? Your point can be easily picked apart. Look up bimodal. It makes way more sense for sex to be bimodal than binary.

[@TasTheWatcher]

Sex is a product of your genotype, and phenotype. There are more than two genotypes, and also more than two phenotypes. Intersex people exist, so it's clearly _not_ a binary. You can't just dismiss them as exceptions. If there are exceptions to a binary, then it's not a binary.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@ijansksex is bimodal, and in some cases (such as gonads) trimodal, on a spectrum between masculinization, feminization and undifferentiation. Many people do not produce gametes, and we have never assigned sex in humans based on gametic production. In biology, sex and gamete production are not synonymous. Molluscs like muscles also only produce large and small gametes, yet have 3 sexes, males, females and androdioecious hermaphrodites. 3 sexes, 2 gametes. Please do not spread scientific disinformation online.

[@SarastistheSerpent]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@5-Volt1. Gametic production is not and has never been a way we assign sex in biology. Many species have 2 gametes, and 3 sexes. Many molluscs for example. Mussels have 2 gametes, and 3 sexes, males females and androdioecious hermaphrodites. Some species (especially in plants) have 4 sexes, but only 2 gametes. Or 3 sexes and 2 gametes, but none of which are male or female (some plants have a 3 sex system with androdioecious hermaphrodites, gynodioecious hermaphrodites and tridioecious hermaphrodites). Sex in humans has always been assigned based on genital formation. Always. Cross culturally and into modern medicine. That in turn is decided by cell reception to androgens, typically due to the presence and expression of an active SRY gene. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information from but we have never assigned sex in human based on karyotype. The vast vast vast majority of people do not know for certain what their karyotype is, and we don’t do genetic tests on infants to determine what their sex is. We just look at their genitals. 2)The presence of an SRY gene in humans is indeed an on/off switch (you either have one, or don’t), but whether it will express properly and whether cells will respond to androgens is not an on/off switch. That’s why there are grades of androgen insensitivity syndrome, to complete- where someone with a male genotype will have a completely or near completely female phenotype, to partial, where a person will have a mix of male and female phenotypical characteristics, to mild, where a person will have a mostly male phenotype with some undermasculinized male sex characteristics and/or a few female ones. I feel like the insinuation that by correctly referring to the bimodal sex spectrum as just that, and by twisting the meaning of a binary in order to peddle pseudoscience and refute accepted biology is not only bad faith, but a little insidious. I have similar debates with flat earthers often, and they also make similar semantic arguments about the agreement of all physicists that the laws of physics are “imperfect” and are merely observed characteristics of the behaviour of the universe so far as we can make out, they’ll use this as a rhetorical weapon to claim that “spherical earthers” deny the laws of physics and argue in bad faith. It’s become an increasingly popular tactic among adherents of pseudoscience since Covid. Anti-vaxxers popularized it and I see it now among anti-trans/“gender critical” and flat earth ideological adherents now. I admit it’s hard to argue around, because it’s so insidious, even when it’s cloaked in obvious biological illiteracy (like saying there are only 2 sexes in biology because there are only 2 sized gametes; botanists would certainly have something to say about that lol).

[@amirxodom]

Appreciate your voice and breakdown man! Seriously, you are a bright example of how to respectfully disagree with someone.

[@gordonabishop]

🤯 Omg! Hey Amir! What a surprise, thanks for taking the time to comment. 😊 This means a lot.

[@Nathan-Fox]

After being called a coward and many other things online, seeing two people having a discussion without throwing insults at each other and actually trying to understand their arguments (even if wrong) to improve their views is a very good change for once.

[@WinningSidekick]

It's really cool of you to comment on a video that's critical of your own work in a way that's not only respectful, but uplifting. I respect that.

[@tarathoughts13]

@@WinningSidekick honestly even though I disagree with amir a lot of lgbt issus and specifically transgender issues, I honestly think that he has some pretty insightful and balanced views on other issues (specifically issus on race and the black community which is something I am not as aware of) and genuinely seems like a a respectful person who I would enjoy having a conversation with, and that is something which can be said about all right leaning personalities.

[@finderkeeperrrs]

​@@Nathan-Foxhey if some of these alt rights weirdos are against my rights and everything then who cares if I insult them

[@Chihirolee3]

*a transman who's been married for 13 years to a hetero cis man who accepted me coming out 4 years ago* Neither of us really know if we are gay or not. We have a strong monogamous relationship, so it's not a question that really matters.

[@Radak1985]

As a transmasc gay man, l really appreciate you. Thank you 🤗🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🖖❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🖖🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🤗

[@michael-cw7nx]

I think the whole "is it transphobic not to date trans people" has always been really easy to answer. It depends, a lot of people when asked will say "what? No that's disgusting" or "that's no a real woman", that's transphobic, however if you just have a preference that's fine

[@SindriMjolnir]

Not wanting to date a trans person is not transphobic, feeling the need to loudly announce that fact is, though

[@michael-cw7nx]

@@SindriMjolnir couldn't agree more

[@Pidatha]

​@@SindriMjolnir "Expressing s3xual boundaries is bigoted" is what you're saying 🤡

[@khanhminhnguyen7274]

Homosexuality is not a preference, which one can consciously make. Homosexuality is an orientation, which one cannot control or modify.

[@michael-cw7nx]

@@khanhminhnguyen7274 I didn't say anything about homosexuality

[@wekkimekki]

this is the first video ive seen of urs, but i already LOVE ur channel tbh. ur voice is really nice to listen to and you're funny as hell 😭

[@wekkimekki]

dont listen to the hate btw, you explained all of ur valid points respectfully and didnt attack anyone so theres no reason to attack u either! u go king

[@gordonabishop]

Aw this is so sweet of you! 😊 I am fine with people disagreeing with me in the comments as long as they’re being respectful. Hate comments will be ignored/removed on a case-by-case basis.

[@jaspermaynard-zhang8958]

Very touching to see a cis gay stand up for trans ppl in such an educated and kind way! I liked this vid a lot

[@RoseSapphic]

Glad I found your video, its a refreshing take from someone who takes a logical approach instead of emotionally based

[@WinningSidekick]

I'm glad the algorithm steered me towards your video! It's kind, thoughtful and a good rallying cry in a difficult time. The craftsmanship is great. I love your editing, and your understated sense of humor is deeply charming. I appreciate your conscious effort to be respectful and to give people the benefit of the doubt. And also I've been wanting a deep dive into Electra Heart since I was 15, so I know what I'm watching next 😌

[@lalaunascope]

Fantastic video! Really enjoyed it! One thing I noticed is that the argument was "Well, there are so few intersex people statistically that it doesn't matter that they don't fit our rule for what a man and a woman is." But people who detransition are also statistically few, so, according to the logic of that first statement, wouldn't that mean they don't factor into arguments against trans people? (Also, I really hate seeing people who detransition being used as weapons against the trans community. Everyone deserves to be their true selves, no matter trans or cis, and that goes for those who detransition just as much as anyone else.)

[@mikeoxmaul4u]

Thank you for going over your thoughts in a calm and intelligible manner. The world needs more discussion handled this way. I don’t agree with everything you said but that’s ok. The world would be boring if we all were exactly alike. Your line about Lex Luthor and Weekend at Bernie’s made me laugh/cry because… it’s true.

[@blakeplace]

You're so underrated omg!! I, one of the The Gays ™, really enjoyed this video and now is craving and yearning for more!

[@tangoblast7614]

If we are gonna keep telling people that sex and gender aren't the same thing, can we also add that the social categorization of sex and biologic concept are also two different things so all the armchair biologists can find something better to do?

[@tarathoughts13]

Gender is basically the social categorisation of sex, it’s the social categories we make to divide people with different reproductive organs into different groups and social roles.

[@tangoblast7614]

@@tarathoughts13The point is what makes one count as male or female in society are not the same criteria a biologist would use. This is for all the people who can't stop bringing up chromosomes and gametes. When sex is assigned at birth none of that is checked. And considering the way femininity and masculinity are equated with femaleness and maleness respectively, I would think that gender encompasses the social categorization of sex and not the other way around. Sex isn't gender, sex is gendered.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

They have. Though they're mainly still mad at the fact that everyone in our past hunted and took care of the kids and that there wasnt strict roles. They still cannot grasp the fact tools exist for a reason, including for hunting

[@tarathoughts13]

@@tangoblast7614 oh I think I get what you’re saying, so like there is isn’t sex and then gender soeeratleu, gender is a preexistng lense on which we see humans through (masculinity and feminity, man and woman) that we then project onto biology (sex - chromosomes, gentials)

[@clancyalexander6192]

I am a cis gay man. On the phone and at drive thru I get mistaken for a woman all the time. LGBwiththeT!

[@sichrix]

​@@derekb4977 Derek, my brother in Christ. Have a seat and drink some tea with me. You need to relax my dude 🖤

[@clancyalexander6192]

@@derekb4977 why. Our community is about inclusiveness and accepting people for who they are. I don't understand just excluding people because they don't fit one very narrow definition.

[@gordonabishop]

@sichrix Relax is an understatement, dude is angrily commenting on basically everything and often posting the same thing three times in a row. 💀

[@clancyalexander6192]

@@gordonabishop Ok. Thanks for letting me know.

[@gordonabishop]

@clancyalexander6192 Sure thing! His comments have been removed now. I usually don’t do that but he seemed to be going way off the deep end. I’m fine with people disagreeing, but at minimum, there’s got to be respect / common courtesy. 💜

[@KathrynArt]

I love and appreciate this. So much.

[@CJLarsen63]

"when words loose their meaning, it is very easy for society to crumble" made me LOL like watch ONE video by a linguist please

[@mikelmontoya2965]

The animal crossing intermission is wild 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@falconmosshandcrafted1865]

As an Intersex person thank you!

[@falconmosshandcrafted1865]

I am also Hatukholba /Biawaisa/Xochihua as an Indigenous person 2S always gets left out of this but there wouldn’t be other genders if it weren’t for our genders prior to colonialism

[@falconmosshandcrafted1865]

They are also two separate things the Indigenous identities are not the language version of being Intersex

[@gordonabishop]

So glad you liked the video! 😊 My best friend is indigenous (Swampy Cree) and is 2S, it has been really cool to learn more about 2S from him being in my life. 💜

[@falconmosshandcrafted1865]

@@gordonabishop 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

[@WolfieZaps]

I'm genderfluid. I will 100% be getting on HRT when I am capable, and I would never, in a million years, get offended if someone said they wouldn't date me because I was trans. I might ask them what they mean by that because I've noticed that, a lot of the time, people just have a genuine misunderstanding of what the word trans means. Sometimes, they may misunderstand and think it means transsexual which might make us incompatible due to their own personal sexual orientation. Sometimes, it's that the person who is trans is on hormones, and while their anatomy may be the same, their secondary sex characteristics don't match up with what someone else would view as attractive. That is ok and valid as well. It's a lot more nuanced than people make it out to be, and I believe we just need to better communicate what we are trying to say to one another. You know, conversation between thinking adults. If someone lacks the ability to critically think and just shouts that I'm wrong when they have a fundamental misunderstanding of something, I would just realize they are willfully ignorant. In those cases, I'm offended for a very different reason than simply, "You aren't attracted to me because I'm trans?" It's all about context. Also, I was denied many things as a child due to my gender assigned at birth. "You're a girl, and girls play with dolls and dollhouses and not with toy cars and dinosaurs," "Girls are supposed to like the color pink," and "Girls should always dress feminine," were all things often said to me growing up. I grew up being forced into the gender norm, and now I'm fighting to be free of that and just be and express my very queer self how I want to. I gave up my comfort for the comfort of others for 30+ years of my life. Most people don't grow up to regret it, but a lot people do grow up to regret not getting to transition, myself included.

[@jaspermaynard-zhang8958]

Just discovered you, and I love your style! I can def see some of the influence from contrapoints, and I like it :).

[@EZOnTheEyes]

I actually unfortunately went to high school with Brad. He was a jerk back then, continued it into college, and continues to be a jerk now. Kind of Ableist as a kid, definetly kind of racist, pro conservative shit back then too. One time at his college he made a giant stink calling a cancer fundraiser 'childish' (it was a "donate a dollar and bring in your stuffed animal" day), his classmates didnt appreciate the negativity he was bringing to a cancer fundraiser. I think there was a hashtag made clowning on him that went trending for a while too. That was shortly before he started getting into the griftosphere. Anyways, I'm gonna keep watching this in full, great video so far and keep up the good work.

[@bibianaguadalupeislasherre9880]

You went to high school with Brad Polumbo? He was already a grifter back then, and the fact that he called a cancer fundraiser "Childish" is so messed up. He also is the co-host of the "Based Politics" podcast with a Libertarian influencer called Hannah Cox.

[@radicalpasta7040]

This is a great video. Discusses this contentious topic in a calm and empathetic way. As a fellow member of the LGBTQ+ community, I think this is an issue that needs to be discussed. I am glad I came across this channel. I like your style. I think I will check out more of your videos :)

[@ronancavett1272]

I know you mentioned this video isn't your usual content, but this video is what just made me subscribe. I can see where you got some editing inspiration from people you mentioned like JammiDodger and even Contrapoints, and you put your own comedic spin on it that's so charming and fun :) Also, your arguments are very well put-together, and I appreciate the way you acknowledge the "one of the good ones" rhetoric because it's something that I've noticed SO MUCH of in "drop the t" spaces!! Great commentary, great editing, great video. Also, I hope my comment as a trans man maybe will steer the algorithm away from whichever spaces the other commenters are coming from, lol :)

[@gordonabishop]

Thank you so much! I just woke up to the comments and am not surprised lmao, kind of knew I’d be shaking the hornet’s nest with this one.

[@AS-nr4ul]

Hard agree to all of this (only, it was Ms Blaque on the thumbnail that pulled me in) Great video!

[@veronicacarden5213]

NOT SOMEONE FROM MY HOMETOWN POPPING UP IN MY SUGGESTIONS, great video, hope you’re doing well!!

[@gordonabishop]

OH MY GODDD, HEY VERONICA 😭

[@talscorner3696]

Hi! Functional outsider to the community, here ^^ I have noticed something that I'd like to share with you that I hope will provide some interesting context. Also, for the sake of the argument, every term that I will use in this post, unless specifically stated, I mean in a descriptive sense, rather than whether or not I think what I am talking about is a good thing. (My personal comments will be in parenthesis, often) These talks (the topic of this video, the debate about whether or not straights belong to pride, the nature of aro and ace people, etc... I'm mentioning these because they are the ones I read/watched stuff about recently, but I am willing to bet are far from the only topics being debated in the community) suggest me that the LGBTQIA+ community is, and has been for at least a decade, by now, going through the "institutionalisation" phase. For those who are not familiar with political science lingo (good for you, mates! That shit can be depressing as hell), the institutionalization phase of a revolution happens when the movement is not required to be constantly in survival mode because the "hot" phase of the revolution is done and so now has the time to "put down the guns", so to speak, reflect about itself and focus on the next part of the journey. If you think about it, this is the moment ideologies (and by "ideology" I simply mean "a collection of ideas", not "an agenda pushed with malicious intent") split, because those who were doing the fighting now have the space to think about the movement for the movement, rather than about the movement in relation to the outside, and come to the conclusion that maybe things are different. The next thing that usually happens is that people start writing down what they consider to be hardbound rules. It happened with most religions active in the West, it happened with most political revolutions and I think this is happening in the LGBTQIA+ community as well. (This could, incidentally, be the same principle why most of the Eastern martial art sources we have are so recent, but this is another topic). I was at the end of high-school (right about the birth of social media, too... I'll be in my corner, feeling old xD) when the acronym we were commonly using changed from LGBT to LGBTQ (I'm Italian, I'm willing to bet things changed later here than in the rest of the Western world), for example, and I'm feeling the same "Things are about to change big time" energy in the room that I was feeling back then and in the decade since. And here comes my personal comment and conclusion to this tirade xD The community has been making the history not just of the Western world, but, right now, itself. You are now holding in your hands its future and always keep in mind that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. My old political science professor taught us on day one, first lesson ever, that nobody is ever the villain of their own story, to point out how biased can our perception of our work and motivation be, even when we act under the best of faith. You are now in the moment of the community's life in which you get to decide what to do with its future and I know that if there is someone who can break the cycle of failed revolutions, that someone is you. Be mindful and, in the strictest sense of the expression, be woke.

[@talscorner3696]

Also, fun fact to stave off the depression: "pipo", in certain regions of Italy, is a somewhat endearing and generally child-safe term for "penis" xD

[@avidnods]

Warning: Long Comment I’ve listened to most of this video and although I disagree with practically everything you said, I appreciate the effort you have put into making this video. It’s always valuable to hear other people’s perspectives. You’ve said a lot so I can’t respond to it all but I do want to respond to one thing and that’s to do with the “normal” gay comment. Individuals like Brad only describe themselves as “normal” gays because that’s what other, typically gender non-conforming, gay men call them. You even described Pete Buttigieg as “normal”, something he has never described himself as. A significant subset of gay men seem to think that other gay men who seemingly “assimilate” into society are only doing it because of “respectability politics” when for most of us, that’s just us being our authentic selves. This idea that because a gay man likes sports over drag race (for example) means he’s hiding his authentic self, is quite regressive and I wish this mindset would stop. I’m not saying that “respectability politics” doesn’t exist but it works both ways. I’ve meet a ton of gay men who have told me that they fake aspects of their personality so that they can fit in with whatever “queer” friend group they have.

[@gordonabishop]

Hey Davidson, I appreciate your comment and being respectful even though you disagree with me. I think you bring up some good points. I will add that we need to be able to distinguish between "respectability politics" and people who are just being their authentic selves, and I think it's worth bearing in mind whether that actually applies to Pete or if he's just being who he is. I actually had a brief nod to that in the first cut of this video where I talk about Pete (and Shep), but ended up editing it out for brevity. Now wishing I had kept it in. Speaking about gay men specifically, we need to allow room for butch and femme men to express themselves without being accused of "faking" it (so to speak). Some like stereotypically "femme" things, some like stereotypically "butch" things, and some fall somewhere in between; and that is OK. You are right that it works both ways, this is one of those things that I think is painful for both butch and femme men. Honestly this whole masc/fem dichotomy and how it impacts gay men specifically is something that *deeply* interests me. It is probably a future video topic. Wishing you the best!

[@bernardogarabana8580]

I think the community as a whole has a lack of solidarity, there is a lot of infight, I have seen it a lot the mentality of "all lives are equal, but...", as a community I think we still have much to mature and work out

[@joeyj6808]

I was late to come out (40+) because of my surroundings and upbringing. That was almost 20 years ago, and I never regretted any of it. But to me, there can be no queer solidarity without everybody LGBTQA included. People fought too hard to be left out and we're far less in small groups than we are together. There. I have spoken!

[@theoptimisticmetalhead7787]

God I fucking HATE Middle Ground so much

[@gibsongirl05]

this was a fantastic video and you really opened my mind tbh.

[@remiremiremi1936]

omg, ive read lgb spartanism and my stupid ass wondered why exclude trans people from sparta

[@Aldersnap]

Your editing style is so hilarious I love it! 12:43 had me laughing so hard

[@ATMA3Weapon]

was a good video thanks, subscribed.

[@samr8889]

Is it interesting that its always “whats a woman” and never “what is a man” huuuuuh. Interesring that huh, that cis men never need to define their bodies, but constantly wants that from women. Aalmost like its the same internalized power structure at play there . . .

[@aDreamComeQ]

Did I just find a great you tube channel before it got 500 subs? Great video!

[@astridmyst]

Seriously love everything about this video. Very educational and explains everything so well. I also really love the little jokes that give some relief.

[@Talia778]

These comments are scaring me 😟

[@gordonabishop]

Some of these people need to get a hobby (besides hating on trans people). I will once again recommend Animal Crossing, might mellow them out. 😁

[@moon-pw1bi]

@@gordonabishop we dont hate them we just dont agree with them, its pretty simple

[@JohnDoe-mk5zb]

Weird how that is exactly what so many homophobes said to excuse their hate. @@moon-pw1bi

[@kloa4219]

It is insane that they want the approval of the right-wing when they're currently having their sexuality criminalized by them.

[@moon-pw1bi]

@@kloa4219 well gender critical is actually a left wing movement and no we dont need the approval of the right wing, we have just seen trans ideologs push regressive understandings of gender on everyone and we dont agree with it.

[@TheRawChuck]

I support people in any way I can. Sadly, I fight a lot with mental illness and the possibility of being Autistic so there's little I can do to help but I refuse to be hateful or hurtful to anyone.

[@sphumelelesijadu]

30:30 The 8% battery is so me😭

[@nickb2478]

this video was so good you're so funny and well spoken. now I need to watch your other videos.

[@clancyalexander6192]

I hate the "if you date a trans woman, you're gay" argument. Suris has a trans girlfriend and he still is straight.

[@tanyapirillis]

Even if it made you Gay or Bi. Nothing wrong with it. Straight people always try to de-molorize LGBT people as not serious in thier romantic life. That's why maga and project 2025 wants to "eradicate" LGBT people out of existence.

[@Pidatha]

It is by definition, a homosexual relationship 😐 he may not be gay but definitely not straight. Probably Bi or pan or any other variation

[@rorito_dorito]

@@PidathaIt’s not gay if you are a man and date a trans woman because a man dating a woman is straight, even if one of them is trans.

[@clancyalexander6192]

@@Pidatha If his girlfriend identifies as a woman, it's definitely NOT a gay relationship.

[@nobody08088]

@@Pidathafalse.

[@VirtueVirucide]

Every video essay ever needs an Animal Crossing intermission now that I've seen it for this video 💜

[@mikelmontoya2965]

Many video essayists have copied a lot ContraPoints' aesthetics over the years, but I don't think I've ever seen one emulate so well her intonation & sense of humour lol

[@gordonabishop]

@@mikelmontoya2965 Wow! I’m torn on this. On the one hand, this is a huge compliment because ContraPoints is incredible and she (among other KZbinrs) is a huge influence on me. I can only dream to one day match her aptitude for lighting and set design. On the other hand, amidst the recent James Somerton plagiarism allegations, I hope nobody feels like I am just ripping her off LMFAO

[@mikelmontoya2965]

​@@gordonabishopI mean, you literally have her in the thumbnail of the video & mention her several times lmao it's not like you aren't being open about her being an important reference point for you. But more than the lightning & set design it's your humour, intonation & way to phrase things, you sound so much like her! But idk I don't think it's a bad thing.

[@Nathouuuutheone]

I'm not seeing the humor similarities. I'm especially stuck on the statement that furries want beastiality to be legalized. It feels like it was scripted as a joke but enunciated as hard fact. No humorous delivery, no funny timing, no pause for laughs, just a straight face and the next line.

[@DamasMademoiselle]

There is nothing radical about the TERF mindset. They are conservative and closed off. I like to call them TECF. They are also confused about how race and ethnicity are not the same as gender identity.

[@Albinojackrussel]

14:00 this kinda makes me sad for him and any partners hes had. He's basically saying that he only values them as penis owners, and they could just be replaced by a realistic enough sex doll. Like genital preferences are fair enough, but the way he phrases that implies that a penis is *all* hes looking for in a partner.

[@cradica]

@@Albinojackrussel I am aro ace. I don't feel attracted to people, but I still enjoy touching certain body parts, but my desires never go deeper than that

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

Well they way he phrases it maybe harsh buy I get intent as he is a homosexual male he is attracted to other homosexual male I think he just want to specify he can't be attracted to someone who identity as man but attracted to a biological male

[@IntrovertAncom]

The algorithm gods blessed me with your video, and I subscribed. What you said at 26:32 rings so true. From a very early age, kids notice gender norms and expectations, and I think most of it comes from how the adults around them behave. As a gender non-conforming person myself, personally, I was pretty gender neutral with my parenting, and my (2) kids weren't as concerned with gender conformity as many of the other children were. When my son was little, he liked having his nails painted all kinds of different colors, and the other kids at his preschool/daycare were like, "Nail polish is for girls!", as if they were afraid his hands were gonna fall off or something. Even my grandson, he likes to wear his hair long, and the kids at his preschool/daycare were like, "Long hair is for girls!", to which he replied, "Boys can have girl hair too!"

[@Disregarded388]

I love your editing, you're genuinely so funny even when starting a conversation on serious topics.

[@z.i.g.4840]

Love this, all it needed was a Kamala Harris reference

[@satunbreeze]

Its wild that these people assume trans people just, dont have a sexuality. Like, idc whether you believe trans women are women or trans men are men, theres a large amount of us that are gay no matter which way you see it. To support a gay trans person, you have to support the WHOLE person. And that includes identity and transition and governmental rights. Why and how do they even ignore this simple fact? Is it just a "hate the identity not the person" type thing? Do they really want straight trans women in gay mens spaces? Do we really want straight trans men in lesbian womens spaces? It just doesnt work like that. Im a gay trans guy and the last person i want to date is a straight cis guy. He just cant offer what i need out of a relationship. Hes not gonna like that i look like a ddude, talk like a dude, and embody being a man. You see posts on reddit r/ftm of trans guys who are transitioning in a relationship with a man, and the man eventually becomes disgusted with them. Cause it just doesnt work like that.

[@simonw.1223]

Do you know why? Because L and G are same sex attracted. Not sane gender attracted.

[@danielsmokesmids]

@@simonw.1223and they can cry about it all they want as long as they dont start telling trans people what to do with their own bodies

[@simonw.1223]

@@danielsmokesmids yeah and if trans people respect the sex segregated spaces.

[@danielsmokesmids]

@@simonw.1223 so you want a passing trans man with a giant beard with tons of testosterone to be in the restroom with your little girl? you’re sick.

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

​​@@danielsmokesmidslike trans can have sexuality so if a transsexual women attracted to women why not say I'm attracted toward women instead calling identifying as translesbains lesbain are those who are homosexual female/ women same for transsexual man bcs a huge chunk of lesbain will not able to feel attraction for transsexual women same for transsexual man bcs of the obvious reasons that doesn't make them transphobic

[@weyheyjackie]

Im a trans dude thanks for speaking out about this

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

14:50 I agree but it’s with nuance. If someone refuses to date me solely because I’m trans or my transness is a factor, yes that’s transphobia. If they swear off 100% of all trans people ever on the basis they’re trans, yes that’s transphobic. However if they’re unwilling to reflect on what exactly makes them hate and be repulsed by trans people, the least they could do is just stfu about it cuz we definitely are all done talking about it

[@joyeetaghosh2209]

Dude a gay man or lesbain women is not repulsed they are just attracted to female and man that's there sexual orentation

[@jakthebomb]

Song is “Pipo Pipo” by Serani Poji

[@Lantha57]

12:25 got me thinking, and I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that for something to be a binary it has to be one of 2 things, not one of two, and sometimes a third thing.

[@neoqwerty]

So this is a bit niche because you have to be deep into the labels and the Fabled Bisexual VS Pansexual Discourse Wars that mostly kerfuffled on Tumblr and Twitter (of course it did) but!!! There was a time where a group of people got all non-binary exclusionary in claiming the bisexual label, which then led to hostility from the enby community and their enby allies within the larger trans community toward people using bisexual instead of pansexual. But THEN there was a reclamatory movement WITHIN the bisexual community with enby-accepting bi unicorns (affectionate) joining the pansexuals and coining a bigger omnisexual label that covered bisexual and pansexual and enfolded any future labels. You can sometimes see someone who identifies as omni in the in-group that is tumblr, but will simplify themselves as bi to the general populace because they don't feel like explaining omni is attracted to all the genders. And most people who use bisexual now DO consider that you should be attracted to only two of the genders, but they count enby as a valid other, so being bi could mean men and women, enbies and men, or women and enbies, or even go with slightly more vague categories like femmes and men, or androgynes and women, etc etc. And then some people just use it as a synonym for omni (some pan people also use pan as synonym for omni, instead of as a sexual or romantic attraction to someone's personality without regards to gender or sex characteristics, if you'll allow me going into the weeds a bit). TL;DR: we had a big infight over this one back in like 2017ish and it was all over Tumblr, the dust settled and now being bi does in fact at least acknowledge you don't have to be attracted to both binaries, you can just go for one binary and a spectrum (or a segment of the spectrum) and count as bi, or be omni and use bi/pan as a known shorthand.

[@pedrocarnelos703]

Comment to boost the algorithm, cause man, this is some good stuff

[@maleprincess5559]

Amir says "anyone can be anything at a moments notice" but it is never at a moments notice, even if someone can tell they are trans as early as possible it still takes so much time for them to be comfortable in their body.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

People are saying that I might want to be trans male at one point but am female now. And vice versa. This is the whole issue LMAO.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Great video!

[@tanyapirillis]

I really people would stop trying to dictate how other people live and love. I just don't get why people in the LGB and T have any transphobia. I have a friend who is transgender and has bigotry towards her own community. She is so wrapped up around politics that it's affecting her life, like everyone's. So according to medical evidence, MRI scans have the same brain waves of their cis gender counterparts. That means trans people are born trans and can't live as the sex assigned at birth. Trans people have existed for thousands of years since the Dawn of civilization, but all those KZbinrs and grifters lie and say it's a recent phenomenon a few years old. People let's get rid of the hate and love each other. We need unity in the world. Remember United we stand, divided we fall.

[@lavendergentleman]

It's really soothing to see contents like that as a trans person ^^

[@readmarx420]

27:13 im transgender and i disagree, the way i always described my dysphoria was "i wish i was a girl" . It wasnt just a wish of course, id say it was a need, but thats still how i described it Not, i am a girl. Because i wasnt. At this point i describe myself as a girl, but pre transition, i did not. And its kinda annoying hearing people describe our experience this way, because its inaccurate for some of us.

[@gordonabishop]

Just wanted to thank you for commenting and sharing your perspective. This makes sense, and I apologize for my clumsy wording! I think it goes back to there not being “one way” to be trans. Gender dysphoria, as I understand it, can be pretty varied in the way it manifests. I appreciate you chiming in and will try to do better in the future when speaking on these issues. 🙂

[@JosilyneTwigg]

I would say I was always a girl Although I agree with the need part, that's actually exactly how I've decribed it before to people

[@readmarx420]

@gordonabishop you're all good, and don't need to apologize, you're not the only person I've heard define it that way. Just in my case I disagree with it.

[@readmarx420]

@JosilyneTwigg I'd agree that i always was too, but that's a more recent thing for me that I'm trying to get into actually believing. I generally say I wanted to be a girl and now I am.

[@JosilyneTwigg]

@@readmarx420 Interesting Sorry, I had a different experience I didn't really have to convince myself of much Getting over "oh crap, I'm trans" hurdle was the biggest hurdle for me

[@Seth6097]

Quality vid Subbed ❤❤

[@jenh5898]

Just to be clear, I didn't finish watching the vidoe so if this point comes up IN the video, sorry. But I have thoughts. I wouldnt mind the idea of considering LGB and TQI+ separate groups because sexuality and gender identity are separate, and yes, the distinction could be useful, if not for the fact thay 90% of the time it's rooted in considering one "okay" and the other "not so much", and not wanting to be associated with the more 'othered' group. I know there's still a long way to go for equal treatment of LGB but it's much safer and easier for us (B myself) than it is for people who are TQI+, and I think it gets to some people's heads. They think if they detach or even hate on the "less socially acceped" parts of LGBTQI+ they will be more accepted by the cishets, and they get this whole "holier than thou" midnset. It's sick to me and feels very counterproductive, but also just like plain betrayal of people who we were supposed to stick together with. Personally I don't think LGB people excluding TQI+ people deseve to be in queer spaces to begin with. They are part of the same problem that used to make their own stay in the closet. So, if someone tells me they want the separation of LGB from TQI+ my first question would be why? For clarity of what each group is about or because you just want to be a complete asshat?

[@jwilleseries7764]

Why should I stick up and care about TQI+ When they don't care about me for being Gay? Nor do they have to, they have their own issues completely different from mine so I need my own advocacy groups to advocate for myself

[@queerantine69]

You don't "stick up" for people just because they will do the same. That's how a child thinks. The world operating on the basis of scratch my back I scratch yours is how we end up in messes. We advocate for each other because it's basic empathy and we want LGBT + to thrive even if their needs are different. Lesbians didn't have to help gay men with HIV but they did.

[@BlueIvory4]

@@jwilleseries7764TQ+ philosophy doesn’t even believe in the concept of same-SEX attraction so why should I care

[@5thSonOfCain]

​@@jwilleseries7764 I'd argue that they do care considering they we're some of the first to go join in on the battle for gay liberation. Other than that there are also TQI+ that identify as gay, bi, lesbian, etc. so not all of the issues are completely different and many cross. That being said you don't have to care about anything you don't want to. That's your own personal choice. There are plenty of spaces and advocacy to go around and many more needed; so find the group that best suits your wants and needs.

[@midosyt]

love the shibuya key animal crossing breaks never stop being pipo pipo...

[@jan_kisan]

27:01 with all due respect, that sounds like gatekeeping 🤔 i didn't "identify as a girl" as a kid but i did have a really damn strong desire to be one. which never went away and only grew stronger. now i'm transitioning medically as well. but you're implying i'm definitely not trans because of how i'd describe myself in the childhood. my current feelings be damned. sounds too categorical, like trying to fit the insane diversity of human experience into a predefined set of boxes. this never worked, and never will. p.s.: i swear, folks, even if i ever detransition, i will not turn my back on you 🤝🏳‍⚧🏳‍🌈 this is way bigger than me. p.p.s.: still, your video is really cool, thanks 🙏

[@gordonabishop]

Thank you for your insight! Another trans commenter pointed something similar out, and this is helpful for my ongoing understanding of gender identity. I do wish I had worded it differently because I definitely did not mean to invalidate anyone. Glad you still enjoyed the video. 💜

[@legojenn]

I wonder how much the issue of identification is affected by transphobia. I would think that it would definitely how one describes their past. I transitioned in my early 20s, basically after I became financially independent. I outwardly did stereotypically male things. I played hockey, worked on my car, studied computer science at university, however, they were nothing that cis girls couldn't do. I would deny vehemently publicly that I was feminine or gay. I even had a girlfriend who I really loved though women never really did it for me before and after. I would never let myself grow facial hair or wear a tie, but I still fought the idea of being trans until I couldn't. I might have last century's perspective on gender identity, but I think that gender is lived. I don't know how one can claim that they were always something when they didn't experience things like the cat-calling or worse, or being nudged away from engineering, science and math as teenagers that my friends experieced. To say that I *was* a girl is insulting to other women when I didn't experience life the same way they did. That being said, I don't know how I would have expressed my experience at the time if I didn't fear violence, abuse and ostracisation from inside and outside the family. I'm fine with LGB and T being seperate, but my transition was 30 years ago and my concerns are not what people are fighting for today. I have no contact with any LGB "community" and the worst discimination that I've experienced has been by gay folks. You got your own issues to deal with because it seems that a lot of gay activism is about just about wanting to join straights in punching down.

[@iterfacile5481]

"I'm going to assume you've already taken contrapoints 101." I'm DEAD

[@edmundprice5276]

Why shouldn't we have individual advocacy groups? After all, there are areas of concern that are entirely separate.

[@inconsistizzy]

theres a difference between _having safe spaces for individual parts of a community_ and _excluding a whole section of a community because of preconcieved notions._ trans issues and lgb issues can differ a lot. hell, gay issues and lesbian issues can differ too. individual advocacy is entirely possible WITHIN a collective whole. trans people and queer/lgb people can lift each other up as a collective while simultaniously having specified safe spaces for differing identities. the point is to support, respect, and include. lgbt-without-the-t SPECIFICALLY exludes. THAT is the issue.

[@edmundprice5276]

@@inconsistizzy the sum of what you are saying is individual advocacy is only possible provided everyone but those whom it concerns has control of it. It isn't individual advocacy if it is subject to a collective external to its concerns. That's like saying a country can be independent provided it does everything that another country tells it to.

[@inconsistizzy]

@@edmundprice5276 ???what sometimes collectives can have subgroups... the entire lgbtq+ community is literally BUILT on subgroups of DIFFERENT people and DIFFERENT identities. it's a COLLECTIVE. those individual groups WITHIN the collective are able to advocate for themselves individually WHILE STILL BEING part of a collective. here's an example: i'm in this group that's specifically for asexual people. we hang out and talk about asexual stuff and offer support that asexual people specifically might need. somebody who is NOT ace probably won't get much gain out of our group apart from allyship. the fact that our group is technically separate and INDIVIDUALLY ADVOCATES for asexuals specifically doesn't remove us from the collective LGBTQ+. it's just a specific space meant for us. i can still be apart of the whole. since you want country examples, think of it like the country as a whole being the lgbtq+, and the provinces being different kinds of queer people. trans people are a group inside of the lgbtq+ that differ from others in that group and face different issues, but they still deserve a place within that group. and there are gay trans people too. trans people fought alongside gay people for decades to earn our rights. we may be different, but we support each other as a COLLECTIVE. that's the point of an ALLIANCE.

[@CiCodiCadno]

Individual advocacy is all well and good, but the LGB Alliance specifically uses "how bad trans people are for our rights" as their selling point. That isn't self -advocacy, that's just plain ol' exclusionism. If they actually cared about LGB rights then trans people wouldn't be on their minds at all. It's a grift group of people who, bafflingly, doesn't support gay marriage. It's not an advocacy group.

[@inconsistizzy]

@@CiCodiCadno exactly! it's a hate group. that's not advocacy

[@sphumelelesijadu]

You're hilarious. I'm subscribing 💞

[@aniimaii]

11:21 TRANS KING

[@gordonabishop]

PLEEK 💀 the transvestigators gonna come for me

[@Hey_im_Marcy]

@@derekb4977 yes ignore the trans POC of color that helped queer rights as a whole ig it's fine completely cutting off Marsha P Johnson after you got rights even though a lot of the reason you're allowed to openly queer is because of her

[@transjesterr]

28:40-28:48 Not me eating McDonald's while watching this video

[@CampfirElena]

How does this guy only have 700 subs? This video quality is better than some 500k sub channels I've seen! Keep up the good work Gordon!

[@masinahikan]

i dont care if you’re trans or gnc or bisexual, just wear deodorant

[@Schneu369]

This was great! I hope that you make more content like it in the future. Subscribed.

[@danielsmokesmids]

the “language is losing all meaning” thing is so dumb. like if you can’t understand what the people around you are talking about in your native language, that’s a you problem.

[@amiramaz]

Umm not so much. If as a gay man I need to be attracted to "men vagina" unless I'm a transphobe. It's like you guys says that we choose whom to be attracted to. Just because one say they are a man doesn't mean much anymore in the community

[@indigohyacinths4015]

because i havent seen it in the comments mini psa- dsd is not a preferred way to refer to intersex variations nor do you need to say DSDs and intersex variations because they are essentially referring to the same group however the reason why dsd is not really used by intersex people is because it comes from the pathologization and historically did infact used to and in some places still does mean disorder of sexual development regardless of if your first introduction to the acronym was it being 'difference' that was not what it was originally and nor does it mean that in certain places

[@neoqwerty]

I'm subscribing because nice voice, promising future videos based on your current catalogue, and you play Animal Crossing. 10/10, how are you

[@gordonabishop]

HEEEEELP I SAW THE PRE-EDIT 🫣 tee hee! Thank you for the sub and your kind words, so glad you enjoyed the video 💜

[@llavaraine9025]

Hi, I just thought I’d let you know that eden has posted a lot of videos blatantly bashing and shunning other trans individuals within the community, and while I support her standing up to herself against her dad, I think it’s important to see that she’s been partaking in the same thing the community has tried so hard to end, unfortunately :(( I loved the video a lot though, new sub here :)

[@sleepy_princess_lea]

Absolutely amazing video! You gained a new sub 😊

[@ondenbern]

The little "girl woman trans woman" diagram took me out. Listen guys I drew this out, it's gonna add to my point, and it's just words with lines pointing to other words

[@Lycaon1765]

PLEASE, i beg you, please don't record with High Dynamic Range (HDR). It's very annoying, hurts my eyes, and keeps me from being able to watch this video in full screen.

[@gordonabishop]

Think I found where to turn it off in my settings! I will see how it looks in the next video. Thank you for the feedback.

[@b.a.hazard6787]

Really loved this video. You really tied it together beautifully in the end ❤

[@JoshFortune-nb8wz]

I do think lgb should be separated from the tq+ simply because the lgb is all about sexual preference while the tq+ is all about identify and gender.

[@cradica]

@@JoshFortune-nb8wz also asexual is about preference too

[@JoshFortune-nb8wz]

@@cradica yeah

[@Bareq_99]

watch the video

[@JoshFortune-nb8wz]

@@Bareq_99 ?

[@finderkeeperrrs]

Nahhh bad take 😂