Liturgical comparison. Comparing liturgical differences between Roman Catholic (non-Vatican II) and Orthodox. Roman Rite vs Orthodox rites Catholic vs Eastern Orthodox rites Access: sspx.org/
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@jamesthornton16739 жыл бұрын
The old Latin Rite is indeed beautiful. The only trouble is that most Roman Catholics have never seen it. It is not typical of what happens in Roman Catholic churches, whereas, the Orthodox have not changed their Liturgy. It is still beautiful.
@maxwellgarrison67909 жыл бұрын
+Liberty Prime Keep trying, don't give up ant have faith. It took me time too, and my home parish is one of these wayward liturgically, but my town was blessed by a good Old Rite liturgy.
@c.g.jonesze90898 жыл бұрын
i want to have the old rite in my mother language. I know the reason for it but I think it is the only way in a better mass.
@_makorel_36277 жыл бұрын
lets pray for comingback of tridentine mass
@calasalos6 жыл бұрын
the two Liturgies shown in this video are not comparable.. Orthodox one is celebrated for sure in one of the most beautiful churches in Russia, with a lot of priests ecc.. the Catholic one is celebrated probably in some unknown Church in the American province.. Is not a fair comparison..
@braschigiovanniangelo55596 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree with you. For 20 years I was an altar-boy for the Tridentine mass. I asked why radical reforms were introduced in the 60-70th in the liturgy for catholics and not in the East part of the Church (Ortodox or Greek Catholics); I was answered that Ortodox or Greek world didn't suffer ''The Protestant Reform'' so they didn't need ''radical changes''.
@LeonardoBartho7 жыл бұрын
There is no 'versus' for me. Both are beautiful and truly there is no conflict between one rite and another. In the Catholic Church there are also Byzantine rites.
@selfdestruct886 жыл бұрын
And western rite parishes in the orthodox church.
@xandra_non_est5 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@jenneferfernandez36655 жыл бұрын
All kinds of chatolics and othodox are friend
@jenneferfernandez36655 жыл бұрын
And i agree to
@antonius37455 жыл бұрын
For me the liturgy of Trente is awful
@marcj25518 жыл бұрын
Finally a comparison with a Traditional Roman Catholic Liturgy
@paulopadilla62807 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.
@maxwellgarrison67907 жыл бұрын
Paulo Padilla The Novus Ordo is intended to by celebrated in Latin. The Traditional Mass goes back to the 7th Century, with many of the parts and canon going back to the 2nd and 3rd centuries.
@maxwellgarrison67907 жыл бұрын
Paulo Padilla Latin is also used as a form of veiling. It is an iconostasis of language.
@markvalens96367 жыл бұрын
+Paulo Padilla That's untrue my friend. The standard Roman form was universalized in 1570. It replaced the local usages which were less than 200 years old. In substance the "Tridentine" Mass goes back to the very beginning of the Roman Church. Finally, the Novus Ordo was promulgated in 1969! What an awful year in general, let alone one for the development of liturgy. A 1960s bourgeois artifice.
@matthewrich54747 жыл бұрын
Paulo Padilla is RIGHT. Mark Valens, what is the difference of CODIFIED and UNIVERSALIZED? You just used a different word. lol The FACT that only ONE FORM is being implemented is because there are SO MANY FORMS that are being used before 1570. And because it has many forms they have to UNIVERSALIZED it so NO ORIGINAL FORM was really used. TRIDENTINE MASS is a result of the many forms that were circulating before 1570. NOVUS ORDO on the other hand is a MORE PRECISE FORM that has been copied from the one circulating in the EARLY CHURCH. Just like for example Jesus Christ did not have his BACK facing the apostles. Jesus was facing the APOSTLES in the Last Supper.
@Rubenmontilla6 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Roman Catholic liturgy... greetings from Venezuela my catholic/orthodox brothers...
@Rabarbar23457 жыл бұрын
Orthodox Mass and Tridentine Mass are beautiful. That's not comparison - that shows, how beautiful is Byzantine and Tridentine Liturgy.I'm catholic traditionalist, but I love orthodox liturgy too, and i'm icons painter.
@nikodimostube83886 жыл бұрын
Adrian Rum me too I'm Orthodox and love it
@jamesbarlow6423 Жыл бұрын
Get out of Rome. Save your soul.
@Rabarbar2345 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbarlow6423 I have already returned. If you mean leaving catholicism for protestantism (or anyway it is called "biblical christianity", whatever it means"), i want you to know, that i recognized it as a one big fake and great lie of... Antichrist. If Rome is called Babylon for it's spiritual adultery with "other gods", you should know, that in last 60 years the only "other god" who occupies and destroys catholic faith and liturgy is only protestantism.
@ravenclaw_31604 ай бұрын
I have a question. How does a typical catholic icon really looks like?
@maxwellgarrison67909 жыл бұрын
I'm lucky enough to have a Catholic parish with the TLM every Sunday, and an Antiochian Orthodox church just down the street.
@Trinacaaye8 жыл бұрын
You are blessed indeed!!
@_makorel_36277 жыл бұрын
pls encourage some parishes as well, especially here in philippines
@windstorm10005 жыл бұрын
You are lucky. I go get Eucharist on sat. At catholic and then divine liturgy on sun. I Hav to have both!
@Tom191424 жыл бұрын
@David Phillips well said
@jovancheonline3 жыл бұрын
@David Phillips What a delusional individual. Where and when did Christ proclaim papal infallibiljty?
@rolandovargas44906 жыл бұрын
I’m Roman Catholic and I have to say that Divine Liturgy is really beautiful no wonder the Rus converted to the orthodox faith! It’s like being in heaven with all 5 sense being used!!
@harrietharlow9929 Жыл бұрын
Ameen. The Orthodox Divine Liturgy is a totally immersive experience but then It is literally Heaven brought to Earth.
@joaorafaelaguiardeoliveira57194 ай бұрын
@@harrietharlow9929the tridentine latin mass is also divine and has all of the points of doctrine of faith corrects.
@Angelo-rj5er6 жыл бұрын
I’m catholic but God Bless Orthodox Christians as well. I’m jealous of how Orthodox Christians were able to still keep their traditional liturgy unlike us Catholics where only a few practice the traditional mass.
@jamesbarlow6423 Жыл бұрын
Satan invaded you.
@Angelo-rj5er Жыл бұрын
@@jamesbarlow6423 How do you know?
@edmundburke33738 жыл бұрын
I'm Orthodox, but I love the old Roman rite.
@integritascatholica8 жыл бұрын
I'm Catholic Apostolic and Roman. I will pray for you convertion in the Only True Faith.
@sonyerison96818 жыл бұрын
is "manest" stay?
@sirvozelo17 жыл бұрын
I am Roman and I pray for our churches to be together again. I belive we must be one day.
@Percernis7 жыл бұрын
It's complicated. Orthodoxy has to do with both right doctrine and right (way of) worship. There has been a tendency in the Eastern Church to only regard the byzantine rite as the only proper way to conduct a mass, but that is (slowly) changing. Focusing more on your own points "meaning original from the first centuries and a valid liturgical formula", I'd say, not exactly. The Tridentine Mass was established after the Great Schism and as such is considered in the East as a novelty (though more original than the Novus Ordo). As for the liturgical formula, there is the old debate between East and West about the liturgical requirement for transubstantiation - the Roman Rite uses solely the words of constitution, while the byzantine rite adds (and insists on) the epiclesis. Some Orthodox ritualists, therefore, consider the Roman Rite that does not contain a form of epiclesis as liturgically invalid.
@forkyicicle89047 жыл бұрын
Percernis The 'tridentine' mass comes from before the schism (from Pope St Gregory the great). At Trent, the mass was codified and instituted everywhere as variations of this rite had developed (e.g. the Sarum use in southern England) and to combat the services of protestants.
@davidstar50088 жыл бұрын
Its stuff like this which makes me cry. Why did 1054 have to exist? Just...it ruins everything.
@arthegor8 жыл бұрын
ask the Cardinal who went in the middle of the sermon in Constantinople with the Excommunication, ask the Pope why he didn't seek true reunification he only sought to subdue the Eastern Churches to his supremacy, ask why he sustain the doctrine of the Filioque?, ask him why he hold to the doctrine that it is a purgatory.... there is no such place described in the bible... ask why he didn't condemn the Crusades specially the 4th where the crusaders killed raped and made a mockery on the Patriarchal throne of Constantinople by putting a whore on the Patriarchal See?, ask him why the Pope keeps lying people about the truth .... the only reason he will lose power and support among it's clerics if he denounces.... I think everyone of them knows that the east is what Jesus's church should've been.... and the west changed it's Rites now the Orthodox church is trying to rebuild the old Latin Lithurgy of Saint Pope Gregory the Great who was a Deacon in Constantinople for Western Europe and Celtic Lithurgy in England, Wales and Ireland.... the Western church lost it's core elements when the Papal Throne lost it's way and itself the throne become a Gaming thing for the Emperors and other people.. more like a Game of Thrones way... see the Borgias history...
@davidstar50088 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying I disagree. I sided with the Orthodox long ago. And your right. Still, it makes me sad, and I hope for massive scale reunification to the True Faith someday. I will always hope and pray.
@Castellano878 жыл бұрын
The pope at that time didn't excommunicate anyone. He died before the news of the controversy got back to him.
@dagalealtd48885 жыл бұрын
@ginger rodent US bishops* hmmmmm
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Not to be punctilious but 1054 doesn't exist. It simply occurred. And it didn't ruin Orthodoxy. It did Orthodoxy the eminent favour of distancing it from the heretically leaning Franks.
@clementbretanno11164 жыл бұрын
Orthodox Christian chants are very useful to take us closer to God. Play it on everyday at home when we are doing our routine chores, studying, cooking or mending something, it will give us an encouragement to do our Lord's will.
@nkosibaptiste64892 жыл бұрын
Can you suggest any on music platforms like apple or Spotify?
@clementbretanno11162 жыл бұрын
@@nkosibaptiste6489 I usually find the songs on KZbin and use a KZbin MP3 converter to turn them into mp3 format on my phone and then I can play them offline or share them with friends.
@joaorafaelaguiardeoliveira57194 ай бұрын
Latin chants too
@sambar1016 жыл бұрын
At two point of this video the viewers can see the Rites of the Malankara Orthodox Church. This is an Oriental Orthodox Church which uses the Divine Liturgy of St. James which is one of the longest Mass ceremonies. In fact the church at 6 mins in is in fact my own church. (imagine my surprise when i saw my Godfather :D) The service being conducted at the 6 min mark was a processional for easter. The second video 7:30min was the beginning of Mass. Once the processional around the altar is finished the Trisagion begins. Our service contains both West Syrian and Malayalam the local language. Before our church split in the 1900s I believe the majority of our services was in Syriac but local priests and lay people desired to understand the meaning of the services rather than keeping it a mystery. A priest once told me that even the Bible used in the church uses a different codex than most, the Syrian Peshitta. Its nice to see the similarities between the Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox, and the Catholics. Lots of similarities between vestments.
@miltonm14912 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, the chant id in Malayalam
@dimasdwisaputra56528 жыл бұрын
I dont know why , i love catholic and orthodox liturgy, its so beautiful
@anthonyrolandsilva93715 жыл бұрын
I'm an Orthodox bishop. I don't think one can celebrate a liturgy exactly the same way twice. But it is always a joyful service, according to the location and the different ritual. I know that I can not serve the Liturgy exactly the same way each time. There are so many liturgical moves according to the geographic location.
@aleksandarstavric2226 Жыл бұрын
Orthodox bishop ? Where ?
@Carolus-Rex Жыл бұрын
@@aleksandarstavric2226 He just faking
@RS-tp3uu Жыл бұрын
The hell you are a bishop
@Carolus-Rex Жыл бұрын
@@RS-tp3uu no most bishops has rather KZbin channel to preach or no KZbin at all,he literally have meme as his profile.
@ventl33738 жыл бұрын
Both of them are beautiful and express the pure faith of the sacrifice our Lord and King Jesus Christ gladly shoulderd on Golgota, in order to reconicile mankind with the heavenly father. The seperation is one of biggest tragedies in history. There is a deep crisis of faith in the catholic church. About 150 years ago, our Lady of La Salette let the children know about what the church is now facing. But do not despair the catholic tradtion is spreading itself again. It's just a matter of time. Deo Gratias!
@MrMiz11137 жыл бұрын
You're right; my brother was ordained a priest last month and the younger clergy, both in seminary and the priesthood, are FAR more conservative than most of the bishops they serve. As time passes and nature takes its course, we'll see more and more traditional practices return. In 10-20 years, most of the abuses of Vatican II will be gone.
@ventl33737 жыл бұрын
It's truely a joy to hear that there are even orthodox christians who wish for unity. That's not something catholics should consider for granted. I may support unity but please do not missunderstand... There can only be unitiy in truth. And as a catholic, you can guess where i think truth can be found.
@larrytischler87696 жыл бұрын
super batarang Very true. Several of them have stated their choice if they could not be Jewish would be to become Muslims.
@ryanbyrne2596 жыл бұрын
Amen
@malibudolphin31095 жыл бұрын
Catholics broke Away from The Church. It is impossible for them to express pure faith until they repent. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4fFYqVnht2fbrM
@josemariamartincarvalhovon88538 жыл бұрын
I am a Bi-Ritual Catholic Traditionalist. I prefer the Maronite Rite over the Byzantine Rite because they pray in Aramaic which is the Language of Our Master and Redeemer.
@krzysztofkruczynski37898 жыл бұрын
Properly done, the byzantine rite should, however, be celebrated in a liturgical language like church-slavonic.
@LuisRincon-wr4dm4 жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 Better in Greek.
@GuadalupePicasso3 жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 as a Melkite Catholic, I disagree.
@pancratius6023 жыл бұрын
@@GuadalupePicasso the divine liturgy sounds great in a mixture of English, Greek, and Arabic ;) I'm not yet canonically Melkite but I attend divine liturgy often enough, and have petitioned my Latin ordinary and the Melkite bishop for a transfer.
@philipschaffer94144 күн бұрын
That is why I like the Chaldean rite because it is in Aramaic as well
@Solsprite3 жыл бұрын
I love both Catholic and orthodox liturgy equally. I am not yet Catholic, but I am planning to become one some day
@jamesbarlow6423 Жыл бұрын
Join the Orthodox. Rome is owned by satan
@theromanbaron6 жыл бұрын
Each rite is Unique in itself and Should be preserved.
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Both speak to a particular mentality and cultural tradition which cannot be discarded without discarding the way people understand and relate to the most fundamental experiences in their lives.
@ninakorohama49648 жыл бұрын
i am catholic and i love both
@joaorafaelaguiardeoliveira57194 ай бұрын
But in the tridentine latin mass you have a divine liturgy too and you profess all the corrects point of faith
@ultramet5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing this. I was getting tired of the comparisons to the NO, which is unfortunately often devoid of this level of reverence. Both are beautiful liturgies/traditions and are to be respected. The key to these masses is the high degree of reverence for the Lord. Beautiful.
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Well said. What else is liturgy for if not to instill reverence for God and enjoy His generosity?
@michaellinnebur7694 Жыл бұрын
N.o.was made by Satan to take fro the old rite .new books ,new,words,new mass.if I steal the emblem off a Cadillac and put it on a Geo metro is the Geo a Cadillac? Not asking just saying.👎😡,
@francisobi6851 Жыл бұрын
"which is unfortunately often devoid of this level of reverence" I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. The "Novus Ordo" can and has in many places absolutely been celebrated reverently, even more so than the TLM in some places (Like Diocesan TLMs, which some tend to be just awful). Also there was liturgical abuse before the Novus Ordo Missae, such as the Priest zipping through the Mass in less than 15 minutes and some even mumbling the Eucharistic prayers, which may even affect the validity of the Sacrament... This is an example of a Reverent Novus Ordo celebrated by Benedict XVI, which in my opinion at least is superior to the TLM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qofTZKJ3o9d8oKs
@embryoniclebronster9 ай бұрын
@@francisobi6851 The Ordinary Form can still certainly be celebrated, but "even more so than the TLM"? No, not even close. A reverent Ordinary Form is extremely rare (ad populum or ad orientem) and depends entirely on the parish's pastor and the local bishop assigning the priest. The Ordinary Form is growing rarer due to the current Pontiff's disdain for it. And forget Diocesan TLMs, some regular Diocesan Masses are worse by tenfold. There will be liturgical abuse for any form of Mass presented, but the abuse of the pre-1962 liturgy and that of the Mass 1970 and beyond are incomparable. A Mass said too quickly cannot be compared to a Mass where the Eucharistic prayer is completely freestyled, or the priest gives a blessing with a guitar, or has a layperson proclaim the Gospel or give the Homily. I think both are bad, but one is CLEARLY worse. If the worst liturgy a Catholic had to be worried about was one said too fast as opposed to one that was completely invalid in every way, we would be a much better Church. Again, both are bad, but one is worse.
@TenorMan965 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine mass is quite similar to the orthodox liturgy well they were together one time before the schism in 1054.
@adolphCat Жыл бұрын
I believe both the Eastern and Western Churches had distinct Liturgies long before 1054 like 100s of years before 1054.
@jackhohne61633 жыл бұрын
Personally I prefer the Roman Rite, but my goodness the Eastern rites are also so beautiful!!
@andre735106 жыл бұрын
As an Orthodox, I do not think that the rite styles is a problem for a rapprochement, since in case it happens both must be maintained because they are traditional. However, I say that the main thing that the Roman Church must change is how the Head of the Church should perform their duties and other theological dogmas applied after schism.
@comethalley31858 жыл бұрын
both are beautiful. the novus ordo is ugly
@jannahm17888 жыл бұрын
It looks like something you'd see in a Protestant church, not a Catholic one...
@thoma578 жыл бұрын
Yeah, coz it's actually an "ecumenical" mass that "excludes no one", not a CATHOLIC mass exclusively for the true members of the body of Christ.
@paulopadilla62807 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.
@robertiacomacci7 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass is the CODIFIED Liturgy of the Western Church. The Novus Ordo, was promulgated by Anti Pope Paul Vl and he did not even attempt to abrogate the codification of Pope St. Pius V on the Tridentine Mass. The Novus Ordo is NOT a valid Mass not even close. Although in their treachery IT COULD BE. I stay away from it. As an example, I attended an Orthodox Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and it was IN ENGLISH. The Tridentine Mass is still the Codified Mass of the Roman Church but so too is the Novus Ordo which MIGHT be a valid Mass and might not be. Remove the ambiguity, renounces Vatican 2 in it's totality return the Codified Mass with propers and readings in the Vernacular and the Roman Canon in Latin. It is the LATIN CHURCH afterall. Lord Have Mercy....
@danielpettyfer25397 жыл бұрын
Robertiacomacci what are you talking about? Stop spreading lies here. Know the history of Tridentine Mass and and other forms being practiced by the Catholic Church. Tridentine Mass is only practiced by the Latin Rite so it is not only the allowed form. Novus Ordo was approved by the Pope and the Fathers of the Vatican II to be used by the Latin Rite. Jesus Christ did not put his back to the disciples in the Last Supper that is one of the reason why we have the Novus Ordo. If you don't agree with it then you are the heretic.
@dietrichhammond95598 жыл бұрын
a more accurate statement would be Roman versus Byzantine Rite... both Rites are truly and properly Catholic..
@pokya-anakrantau88457 жыл бұрын
Dietrich Hammond Sorry brother, what is depicted here is Oriental Orthodoxy (Indian Syro Malabar Jacobite St Thomas Christian Church) which uses the Liturgy of St Basil just like the Coptic Orthodox of Egypt. Byzantine or Eastern Orthodox is not depicted here.
@strategicgamingwithaacorns28747 жыл бұрын
Wait, this video compares the Latin Mass to the Divine Liturgy of the _Oriental_ Orthodox Church?
@jeremytan52977 жыл бұрын
No not all of them are Oriental Orthodox, Some of them are the true Eastern Orthodox like the Russian ones, but some later at the back are the oriental orthodox
@CatholicChurchesWorldwide7 жыл бұрын
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@calasalos6 жыл бұрын
the two Liturgies in this video are not comparable.. Orthodox one is celebrated for sure in one of the most beautiful churches in Russia, with a lot of priests ecc.. the Catholic one is celebrated probably in some unknown Church in the American province.. Is not a fair comparison..
@Truder4 жыл бұрын
I'm a Roman Catholic, but I believe both rites are beautiful.
@joea.99694 жыл бұрын
Both are extremely beautiful, and I would say that the Tridentine Mass is slightly more reverent and beautiful than the Divine Liturgy, I would say that an average orthodox Christian is much holier than an average modernist Catholic.
@namankumar94786 жыл бұрын
God bless both. Catholics and orthodox are very much similar. I considered both Catholics and orthodox as my brothers.Both worship the one true God.
@notcrazy6288 Жыл бұрын
I'm Catholic and have never seen an old Latin Rite mass. I feel robbed. It's beautiful.
@jamie20159 ай бұрын
Bro its the only mass I attend go to a sspx mass
@paynedv9 ай бұрын
@@jamie2015No
@nehemiah75423 жыл бұрын
Awesome , you even showed the Malankara Orthodox rite also 😍
@tusk707 жыл бұрын
For me, it´s not VS, it´s AND! Both are beautiful!
@wilhufftarkin85435 жыл бұрын
Orthodox liturgy is beautiful but I feel at home in Rome.
@carloscoto13089 жыл бұрын
¡Por fin!, una justa comparación.
@MarchOfMonarchs5 жыл бұрын
I love that as a Catholic I have access to some of these rites.
@hectordanielsanchezcobo77134 жыл бұрын
As a catholic you have access to every single rite of christendom, all rites are inside the Catholic Church
@reigenlucilfer61542 жыл бұрын
we orthodox have our own western rite too.
@mosesking29236 жыл бұрын
I love the Roman Catholic Church but we really need a return to traditional liturgy. Enough with the Protestanization!!! Thankfully, due to the monarchial style of the Church, all that is needed is a new Pope that respects tradition and the problem will be solved. I love Pope Fancis' works especially in charity and social work, but hopefully the next pope restores the tridentine mass to all churches. God Bless Cardinal Burke!!!!!
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
All that is needed is a new Pope that respects tradition. ALL that is needed is a new Pope that respects tradition! That's ALL you need but you probably can't procure it in the immanent future and it didn't work the last time. Therefore, a return to traditional liturgy remains pie in the sky. There already was a pope who respected tradition, named Benedict XVI if I recall, and he did not effect what you are hoping for.
@mosesking29235 жыл бұрын
@@severianmonk7394 You clearly have no knowledge of Benedict's papacy then. Summorum Pontificum had the exact effect that was needed, opening up the Latin Mass which has now led to over 400 latin masses in the US alone (up from just 20 in 1980). It will take 40 years until the Benedict XVI generation of priests enter into the hierarchy of bishops. Thankfully, I have the time to wait.
@luisrincon78195 жыл бұрын
What we need is not a Pope who "respects" tradition, but support it, that fights back against modernism and protestantism. We need a Pope who makes the whole Church repent for assuming protestant ideology, and return the Catholic faith and doctrine as it was before external influences corrupted it
@fabioparra27115 жыл бұрын
Moses King the only way to be restored is that it’s celebrated Latin style in vernacular language. Like Guadalupe mass. Otherwise it won’t be. Also it happens that most of attendance of the Catholic Church comes from Latin America where people are obsessed with charismatic and Pentecostalism, so many many Catholics are turning to those Protestant lines. That’s why the pope needs the novus ordo. Keep the Latinos clapping and Catholic Church will survive.
@Tom191424 жыл бұрын
Simply, a pope who declares Vatican II removed from the Church
@chrismikucki78624 жыл бұрын
I really like the Catholic Divine Liturgy (Byzantine rite) it’s very similar to the Orthodox liturgy. I think there should be a comparison of the two.
@pan_nekdo Жыл бұрын
They're basically the same (both are the Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom on most days).
@ignatiusmabutas77366 жыл бұрын
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@baoduong22037 жыл бұрын
Sad to see that most Catholics are not able to witness the TLM. As a person who grew up as a Catholic. Everything seems so different. The TLM seems to focus more on God, like the orthodox do to this day. I honestly prefer TLM over the orthodox.
@MarchOfMonarchs5 жыл бұрын
Same tho you do have the option to go to a different eastern catholic rite and it fulfills your obligation
@baoduong22035 жыл бұрын
Leonardo Garcia I truly wish there was a Byzantine Rite Catholic Church near me. But I alternate between Ordinary form and the extraordinary form of the Roman mass. I am beginning to love the Latin mass more. The homilies at the Latin mass are on a other level. (I only attend high Latin mass).
@Cryptinox5 жыл бұрын
Are there any Anglican Ordinariates near you?
@УрошКалиниченко4 жыл бұрын
I find myself very fortunate to be an Eastern Catholic, with access to both my liturgy, and for whatever reason I may miss it, may also go to the Tridentine Mass the next day in the same town
@Tom191424 жыл бұрын
@@Cryptinox if you want to suggest him to go to Anglicans, no, you can't do that, they are heretics and don't believe in the special role of the priest as it would be "popish"
@febrianadhika7718 жыл бұрын
I'm Roman Catholic but I love the Orthodox Liturgical too. I think both are the same beautiful :)
@integritascatholica8 жыл бұрын
Catholic Apostolic and Roman.
@paulopadilla62807 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.
@nomadfromkarlsruhe82597 жыл бұрын
It's not the vernacular tongue that's the problem, it's the butchered liturgy that many catholics become angry with.
@michaelrex69487 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass was codified in 1570, yes, but it is substantially the same as the 1472 (?) Missal and in fact all Roman Missals/Orders of Mass back to the Divine Liturgy of St. Peter in the first century.
@HeroQuestFans7 жыл бұрын
there have always been a variety of ancient and valid liturgies in the West. and whether celebrated in Latin or the vernacular, the Mass is the mass, if the sacraments and the priest are present (and of course it is for the people).
@santanav.45042 жыл бұрын
I'm a Calvinist and I'm really impressed with the Orthodox. Just beautiful!
@giovanniserafino17318 жыл бұрын
Finally, a fair and honest presentation of the Catholic liturgy. Too often, dishonest members of the orthodox church presented the worse liturgical abuses from the 60s 70s and 80s to show the "superiority " of the orthodox liturgy over the Catholic liturgy. These liturgical abuses, while not completely eradicated, are becoming a think of the past, particularly with the younger and more traditional clergy being ordained to the Catholic priesthood.
@ignati1238 жыл бұрын
The presentations you reference weren't dishonest. They present the fact of the low depths to which Western Christianity has sunk. It's true that not every Roman Catholic parish performs clown masses, but the very fact that this practice is embraced without excommunication, or in the least, suspension of such activities, demonstrates the liberalism of Rome, and it's departure from the Traditions of the Church. The West has watered down liturgics and embraced a mediocre path away from reverence and mysticism and toward a bland, dying set of practices that resemble the most vapid Protestant innovations of the last 500 years.
@giovanniserafino17318 жыл бұрын
+ignati123 And what is the point of slamming the Catholic Church except to to compensate for the inferior position orthodoxy has not only in the secular world, but in the Christian world as well. It was the Pope of the Catholic Church who was invited to address all the nations of the world at the United Nations. It was the Pope who was invited to address the Congress of the United States. World leaders, kings and queens, heads of state all request audiences with the Pope in recognition of the importance of the Catholic Church in world events. I don't see the Archbishop of Constantinople being invited to world events, nor do I see any secular or political world leader knocking on his door ! Orthodoxy is nothing more than a loose grouping of Independent ethnic churches all fighting among themselves for leadership recognition, the sad result of separating from the Catholic Church in 1054. Unfortunately, it's been downhill for orthodoxy ever since.
@Alexander_Fuscinianus8 жыл бұрын
1) In complete agreement with Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture, Orthodox Church believe, that there is exist more important thing that audiences between Pope and secular governments - a theosis of human person. Too bad, if modern Catholics carry only about how to make kings and presidents knocking theirs Catholic's doors.2) I strongly advise you to learn history. It was a bishop of Rome, who spit a Christian unity, which was bequeathed by Christ. But this separation of Rome in 1054 was just a political gesture. A spiritual separation was more earlier - in 809 AD.3) Your words about Orthodox Churches show only your misunderstanding of nature of our ecclesiology. But I don't expect too many from Catholics; your view is soooo typical and stereotypical, that I even don't want to comment it.
@giovanniserafino17318 жыл бұрын
+Александр Черных this is the problem with you schismatic orthodox. You live in a world of fantasy in which the theocracies of the Byzantine Empire exist only in your mind, The "glory" of orthodoxy and the Byzantine Empire has been dead for many centuries, and orthodoxy has mostly been conquered by Islam. As the Turkish government recently said,"The so called archbishop of Constantinople, is a cleric of a minor sect, which has no importance or relevancy in Turkey.." I agree. No such statement could ever be made of the Pope or the Catholic Church. Elaborate liturgies which go on for hours, and priests in gold vestments do not change the fact that orthodoxy is dead. So continue to argue about the date for Easter, the Filioque, and leaven bread versus unleavened bread for the Holy Mass, while you fade away into the obscurity of non relevancy.
@Alexander_Fuscinianus8 жыл бұрын
Orthodox never dies because Christ is not dead! But I will not argue, especially with such Latin crusader like you. If only you were a true roman catholic Christian, you will understand that not discussion about bread, date of Easter and so on is main problem between Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches, but a problem of Filioque, which represented a true difference between eastern and western understanding of the Holy Trinity, which is a center of Christian's life. But you prefer flaunting such secular things like "independence" of Pope of Rome (tru-u-ully "independent", especially in XIV century). You commenting like a pupil who play to much in "Total war" games series. So take my advise: stop playing, go to near catholic's parish, find normal roman catholic's priest and confess him that you spend too much time in Internet and have no clue about theology, nor catholic, nor orthodox.
@akshayachu39644 жыл бұрын
Both are absolutely beautiful.. And we have one faith. God bless my Orthodox brothers.
@akshayachu39644 жыл бұрын
@David Phillips I know brother. I told we have one faith in a comprehensive sense. Both of us have seven sacraments, 73 books in the holy Bible, Holy Mary's divine motherhood, her perpetual virginity, her assumption into heaven, and the holy mass, according to the Lord's teaching, "Do this in rememberence of me." And this is the true Christian faith. Actually Protestants are making a big mistake by denying these truths and they are not true Christians ,of course. Thanks.
@babyansel7 жыл бұрын
After all this, whenever we come out to fight our enemies, Catholic or Orthodox, we will still call ourselves brothers even in the face of death
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Name one time that happened since the 15th century. And the way the Orthodox were treated at the Council of Florence was anything but fraternal. We learned our lesson, I hope, and will never turn hat in hand to the westerners again. Never.
@KINGBrYan5094 жыл бұрын
And the 4th crusade.. vactians cant be trusted well their high echelons , pope.. we learned our lesson...
@the-chillian7 жыл бұрын
I'll never understand why Vatican II didn't simply approve use of the Tridentine mass in the vernacular, with good, dignified, formal translations. You chose odd moments to compare. I'd have expected equivalent points of the services, but they're in completely disjointed and only superficially similar. "Here's an Orthodox bishop at the altar; here's a Roman bishop at the altar. Here's a Roman bishop censing; here's an Orthodox bishop censing. Here's the Roman rite where they ring some bells; here's an Oriental rite (Syriac?) where they ring some bells... The eastern rites shown aren't even all the same ones, and some are much better organized and executed than others. There's really no true comparison here.
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Not hard to figure out. 'ICEL objects to hieratic language because such language is redolent of the sacred. Such language is not horizontal; it leads the worshipper to elevate his heart and his soul to the transcendant God,' as Stuart Koehl reported. Vatican II simply couldn't tolerate the idea of the divine and was determined to get rid of it, a project in which they were remarkably successful. Once you have commandeered the idiom you have won.
@DanishJoe3945 жыл бұрын
I mean for one translating the Tridentine into English automatically makes that person anathematized
@bootleg87202 жыл бұрын
Simple. A lot of heretics wrote the documents, and better yet they used the "spirit of Vatican II" to expand on it. I have hope that a future council will handle this (as will unite the orthodox with the Pope)
@the-chillian2 жыл бұрын
@@bootleg8720 Why would the Orthodox unite with the Roman church should Vatican II be somehow undone? The last thing I expect would be for such a council to accommodate Orthodox objections, most of which center on Papal authority.
@followerofchristofthetrini16922 жыл бұрын
And that’s where the Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter, or Walsingham, or of the Southern Cross fulfills the desire for a Tridentine/Sarum Rite Mass containing a mixture of sacred English and Latin.
@CatholicChurchesWorldwide7 жыл бұрын
Check the biggest and most beautiful Catholic churches here.
@matthewrich54747 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@jdlove82077 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@dobermanpac10645 жыл бұрын
I’m old rite Catholic and have a Latin Church in town. I also have a Byzantine Church as well. How nice is that!! Thank you Jesus.
@user-vz1so5dt2t3 жыл бұрын
This is the right comparison💕 Other comparison videos will make us more separated💕
@T-Cranmer2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video comparing the Anglican liturgy to the Western Rite Orthodox liturgy and Catholic rite?
@absolutelytheo4 жыл бұрын
There are some non-orthodox videos in this compilation. Oriental "orthodox" are not part of our communion.
@SophiaElizabeth.2 ай бұрын
I’m a proud Catholic from USA! 🇺🇸✝️❤️🇻🇦⛪️
@orangecobraEU2 ай бұрын
You need to see comparaison of orthodoxe and catholic easter. Catholic easter: 🍔😋👨👨👦👦🇻🇦 Orthodoxe easter: 🥚😬🔥🇮🇱☦️⛪🔔
@SophiaElizabeth.2 ай бұрын
Cool!
@jumven8 жыл бұрын
First, the comparison is confusing: there is a disorder in the presentation of the structure of both liturgies (the Roman starts with a Cardinal giving the final blessing!). Second, there's a mixture of pontifical and non-pontifical high Masses, both sung or not, from the Western side. And finally, there is a combination of different Eastern rites --starting with a hierarchical Russian Byzantine rite and ending with a common Antiochian rite (as far as I am aware). From the (Roman) Catholic side, I'd like to point out the fact that the Holy See has stated officially that all Catholic rites --Western and Eastern-- are equal in dignity and importance.
@chrisnguyen11863 жыл бұрын
They should have included institution narrative and epiclesis for Orthodox. And they should have included gospel reading for Catholic.
@APAL8805 жыл бұрын
gotta get more Byzantine (Eastern Roman) clips in there, either from mainland Greece or Mount Athos. oh and take the Oriental Orthodox clips out of there haha.
@youngminkwon6164 жыл бұрын
*Traditional Mass MUST BE REVIVED IN EVERY PARISH!*
@AlwinMathew-w4e2 ай бұрын
I love how they added indian orthodox along with it too love from india
@Yashuwahmel6 жыл бұрын
Love the Latin Liturgy...
@frogman5724 ай бұрын
I am Orthodox and I love Catholics. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are one religion, so we must be friends and together we must fight against our enemies (Muslims)
@debonisasarab55674 жыл бұрын
I’m Catholic and I think both rites are beautiful.
@_makorel_36277 жыл бұрын
hi guys i am a catholic from philippines. i have a question guys, what if we use tridentine mass in a vernacular form, what if we use gregorian chant in our own language, its possible right?,, first time to watch tridentine mass in youtube by cardinal bruke and it actually make me happy. i really feel that im with god sorrounded by angels who sungs a beautiful chants. its actually make me tears, tears of joy. i love it and thank you for sharing the video. god bless you all.
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
That is what the parishes of the True Orthodox Church in the Philippines are doing. Makes sense, I'd say.
@christusrex78654 жыл бұрын
Using vernacular language is a destruction to the liturgy Latin is a sacred language in order the church might hold till the end of times it needs a language which is universal and none vernacular tongue can match. Latin is the most beautiful language and also Greek too both are beautiful liturgies preserved in the only Holy apostolic church. And also Gregorian Chants look beautiful only in Latin using it in any vernacular tongue destroys the spirit of sacredness and it's true meaning so also the mass.
@СаваСтанковић-с7к4 жыл бұрын
@@christusrex7865 Rome used Greek before Latin, so Greek is more traditional and sacred, Latin is vernacular.
@pentogram236 жыл бұрын
I love my orthadox faith.....
@Lumen_Patriarcharum5 ай бұрын
Very fair comparison, not like those other videos which are simply a mockery of the Catholic Church.
@paulopadilla62807 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass only started to be a code in 1570. I agree that this should be preserve. But I also agree with the use of Novus Ordo because it uses the vernacular language. In using the vernacular language, we will be able to pray by our hearts. Using the Latin Language will take time for some to understand it. Others will not even take time to study the language. It is just like what Jesus said in the Bible about people who are praying repetitively but not using their hearts. To make Jesus Christ the center of the celebration, just focus in the Eucharist. I am thinking of the format of Tridentine Mass but with a vernacular language.
@michaelrex69487 жыл бұрын
The Tridentine Mass was codified in 1570, yes, but it is substantially the same as the 1472 (?) Missal and in fact all Roman Missals/Orders of Mass back to the Divine Liturgy of St. Peter in the first century.
@danielpettyfer25397 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Paulo Padilla.
@Howsthis4ya7 жыл бұрын
Paulo Padilla Finally a well thought out and well articulated KZbin comment. i applaud you, sir.
@raymondreno60257 жыл бұрын
well even in the orthodox liturgy they use an older version of language, greek, old church slavonic etc. the orthodox do not seem to have a problem with it, so why as catholocs should we want anything different?
@brunoluisantana6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. The parts of the Mass that are intended for the instruction of the faithful (the Bible readings and the homily) use the vernacular. But it is fitting that the part of the mass that is turned to God uses Latin, for it is a dead language, therefore its meaning can not change, and each word will always mean the same thing, which avoids variations, mistakes or even sacrileges or confusions . Today there are almost no illiterates, and the faithful can follow the translation through the Missal. All the older people I know are unanimous in saying that in the past there was more respect and piety in worship than today, even though they did not understand what was being said in Latin. With the Mass in Latin, the faithful could travel the whole world and would always find the same prayers, the same gestures, the same piety, and prayed in the same language. Now each episcopal conference is responsible for translations. Sometimes countries with the same language pray the Mass with different translations.
@carlosramirezvera36263 күн бұрын
La comparación no es justa, el es patriarca de su pueblo, deberían comparar con una misa realizada por el papa de Roma, para estar en igualdad de condiciones! Ademas de que, en el tradicional rito latino no se usa el organo sin, el canto gregoriano.
@ddpmk3557 жыл бұрын
When I see a Roman Catholic mass I wonder if those people really feel anything. It seems so theatrical. I've also attended Roman Catholic mass a few times and it felt very cold like those priests were doing something wrong.
@krzysztofkruczynski37897 жыл бұрын
You know, there is just a place for a private prayer in silence and for a contemplation of Lord's sacrifice. But there are also beautiful traditional folk hymns which include a deep religious content and are also a kind of a prayer.
@carllindlbauer64737 жыл бұрын
Krzysztof Kruczyński.
@carllindlbauer64737 жыл бұрын
Mhm
@adolphCat Жыл бұрын
@@krzysztofkruczynski3789 You are correct Worship among the Laity or participation in the Liturgy the public prayer of the Church is lacking in the Traditional Roman Rite. The Roman Catholic Church in the so-called Traditional Roman Mass reduced the Mass to the private prayer of the clergy and simply mandated the Laity to witness it. I took a class in Sacramental Theology while at the University the professor a Roman Catholic priest explained it this way before the 2nd Vatican Council many Laity used their time at Mass to pray the Rosary or play cards or play a board games or just say private prayers or just plan their week. Litugical abuse on a massive scale was practiced by the Roman Catholic Church for centuries. God has not been considered important in Roman Catholicism for 100s of years.
@joslez7573 Жыл бұрын
@@adolphCattu profesor de teología te mintió radicalmente: esas expresiones son propias de un protestante. La misa en latin no es para entenderse.
@marilyn148 Жыл бұрын
Mom and I went to an Orthodox Church. The mass did count for Catholics. It lasted two hours and communion was a corn bread sliver soaked in red wine.
@777Krabban7 жыл бұрын
Is there a full video of the mass at 4:30. It's absolutely stunning...
@hectordanielsanchezcobo77135 жыл бұрын
YESS I NEED IT
@thoma578 жыл бұрын
Now this is a great and fair comparison marked by beauty and dignity. :)
@marlonsilva6437 жыл бұрын
Ambas as Liturgias de uma beleza esplêndida, mas o Rito Romano (o Tradicional, não o mutilado de Paulo VI), expressa a solenidade sem deixar de lado a sobriedade.
@propriusly2 жыл бұрын
They mixed in Copic and Oriental Orthodox with Eastern Orthodox.
@krist-yonnarain77866 жыл бұрын
In all honesty and let’s be really honest here the orthodox and Catholic Church believe in very similar things the main reason they are still separate is because of politics. The orthodox bishops love their independence and don’t want to submit to Rome in any shape or form. While the pope is in no way willing to tone down his authority for the sake of reunification.
@flyingisaac21862 жыл бұрын
I heard a Low Mass of the Dead offered by Cardinal Burke, the celebrant for the Catholic liturgy.
@excelsis40227 жыл бұрын
The Divine Liturgy seems to be more elaborate, bringing one to the threshold of heaven on earth. The Mass seems to force one to examine into theirselves with its simple but majestic austerity. Both do the purpose of bringing man to God. I do wish the Maronite Catholics were shown though. Great video!
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Nice observation. What Evelyn Underhill described as the 'here and now' of Catholic piety. One would not denigrate it if it doesn't go too far.
@ksankezis71545 жыл бұрын
This is a very nice video, but from 5:50 to 8:25 these two "orthodox" examples you have used are actually from the Coptic Church, not the Orthodox. But anyway it was a nice comparison video between the liturgies of the two churches.
@ANAMARIA-nx8mv9 жыл бұрын
Beautiful
@pgman54162 ай бұрын
I'm finally committed to receive communion next Easter in the Byzantine Catholic tradition, but I honestly love the traditional latin mass.
@brotherbroseph14167 жыл бұрын
to me I like the orthodox black vestments more. I think not letting priests wed has led to some frilly ass vestments. Other than that, One Baptism, One Lord. I love you all.
@jupiterinaries61507 жыл бұрын
Sacramental Sojourner lol right on bruh...the Orthodox priest seem more macho with those beards too...
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Never trust a man who wears lace, especially not with children. No joke.
@ЈованСавановић3 жыл бұрын
Greetings and love from Orthodoxy of Serbia❤😇🇷🇸☦️
@sharaaratapoorn94687 жыл бұрын
I am Catholic but I find the Orthodox rites to be very amazing.
@Kanal7Indonesia7 жыл бұрын
Same, they look majestic
@Kanal7Indonesia7 жыл бұрын
JohnBelz I meant the Orthodox ones, they look majestic
@sharaaratapoorn94687 жыл бұрын
Luckily the Tridentine Mass seems to be thriving in some parts of the world and there’s a good minority of people who retain it.
@Kanal7Indonesia7 жыл бұрын
Sharaaratapoorn We don’t have Tridentine Masses here in Indonesia, all are Novus Ordo
@sharaaratapoorn94687 жыл бұрын
Antonius Raja I believe they’d still be hard to find here in America.
@psychedelicpython2 ай бұрын
I'm a traditional Roman Catholic and have been since I was 19 years old. I was baptized Catholic at age 1 in 1964 but wasn't raised Catholic because of the changes brought in by the Second Vatican Council. I'm blessed to have two parishes that do the traditional Latin Mass in the city where I live. The traditional Catholic Mass and the Byzantine Mass are both beautiful and holy.
@eleftheriosmas3 жыл бұрын
I am an Orthodox who knows the basics in Byzantine music. Jeeez the Russian rite's 18th century music irritates me to the point that i rly prefered the Old Roman rite😅. If you take out things like partaking only in the Body of Christ and the other heresies of the Catholics in their mass, the Old Roman Catholic mass is totally fine and gorgeous.
@radulazar54854 жыл бұрын
Infact is compared Liturgy of St John Chrysostomos with St Gregory the Greath
@onlius8 жыл бұрын
why I can't tell which is catholic or orthodox it look like all orthodox style
@Kanal7Indonesia7 жыл бұрын
The Orthodox use icons
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
@Magnat And some Orthodox in communion with God use the western rite.
@Lucky-qh1do6 жыл бұрын
both are beautiful. they both worship and praise Jesus Christ. All Christians must love and respect each other
@Isphanian7 жыл бұрын
Liturgical comparison: The Mass celebrated by 0.1% of Latins vs the Divine Liturgy celebrated by 100% of Orthodox.
@krzysztofkruczynski37897 жыл бұрын
Orthodox are schismatic so nothing to be proud of.
@Isphanian7 жыл бұрын
You are the Schismatics. Learn who started breaking off communion. Please, open a book. Besides, Roman catholic clown masses and pedophile priests are for sure nothing to feel proud about.
@janolisiejko58167 жыл бұрын
Catholics are heretics. And always they will be!
@forkyicicle89047 жыл бұрын
Isphanian Correction: 100% of Latins celebrate the Latin Mass. The novus ordo messes are not Catholic or Latin at all (see Quo Primum and canon 13 of the 7th session of the Council of Trent). They are protestantised ecumenical services.
@forkyicicle89047 жыл бұрын
JohnBelz True, but we must distinguish between what the Church does and what heretics posing as the Church do.
@JacobSnell19987 жыл бұрын
I attend a parish that offers the true Roman Rite, not the Novus Ordo bastard rite. It is under the care of the Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest. I am going in the new seminary of the SSPX. I also have a Ukrainian Catholic Church near me where they offer the Byzantine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.
@anthonymccarthy41646 жыл бұрын
Unlike most of the romantics who hold out for the old Latin liturgy I remember when it was the only one used, most people didn't understand what was going on and it was more like a mime show than worship. Vatican II was one of the greatest things that happened in the history of Catholicism.
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
The 1950s was certainly the low point in the development and expression of the western rite. It was so awful that it made the Novus Ordo look good to a lot of people, but that is not the while story of the liturgy. It is the extreme case.
@thebucksreview84513 жыл бұрын
That is why we have this crazy thing called a missal that has English translations and the order of the mass. The first thing I did when I started attending the Latin mass regularly was buying a missal.
@anthonymccarthy41643 жыл бұрын
@@thebucksreview8451 Yeah, I've got the Latin missal I was given when I made my First Communion, maybe when your parents were yet to be born. I am certain I attended more Latin masses than just about all of you guys and they were an abysmal spectacle, not worship. People who hear the mass in their language don't need a missal, they can understand what's being said. Just like the people who heard Jesus understood him.
@rx880887 жыл бұрын
Clarification to the video: You are showing clips from both (Chalcedonian aka Canonical) Eastern Orthodox churches mixed with (Non Calcedonian aka Non-Canonical) Oriental Orthodox churches.
@krzysztofkruczynski37897 жыл бұрын
What is the the difference, may I ask?
@rx880887 жыл бұрын
The Oriental Orthodox broke away from the rest of Christendom after the council of Chalcedon (hence the name Non-Chalcedonian) in 451. They disagreed with the theology which the rest of the Church agreed was the truth "it felt good to us and to the Holy Spirit" (the pronouncement at the end of each council), and refused to sign the document at the end of the council stating such. They use the liturgies usually of St. Mark / St. Cyril, St. Gregory, and St. Basil, whereas EO use primarily St. John Chrysostom, though also sometimes St. Basil (Lent), St. Gregory (Presanctified during Lent), St. James (on his feast day).
@alexjketchum3 жыл бұрын
the current state of the roman catholic church is quite sad and repungantly reprehensible
@rhdtv20025 жыл бұрын
I went to a Serbian Orthodox Church..it waa awesome to see it as I am Catholic but standing up the whole time I got tired. Lol
@semprocherlis95265 жыл бұрын
Why The Rome doesn't keep these magnificent old latin rite liturgy..? -dissapoint
@HelloHello8D5 жыл бұрын
Modernism is affecting the Catholic Church please pray for us.
@Rabarbar23454 жыл бұрын
Because second altar in Temple and new sacrifices are predicted in Maccabean books :(
@semprocherlis95264 жыл бұрын
@@HelloHello8D always my bro.., the 'romans' were always our brothers.
@realzhella6817 Жыл бұрын
Some of these are oriental orthodox masses, infact atleast 2 of them shows the Indian Orthodox church. Interesting
@matthewrich54747 жыл бұрын
People saying that NOVUS ORDO is ugly are NOT FOCUSING on the EUCHARIST but rather focusing on what the PRIESTS WEARS.
@PanggakosiPONunez7 жыл бұрын
Matthew Richards. its not about what the priest wears but rather the ancient and most beautiful rituals that came from the 1st christian.. aside from the fact that Novus ordo is destroying faith itself...
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
@JohnBelz Quite right, except primarily from the opposite perspective; it was invented to make Protestantism more accessible to Catholics. It was invented to convey an understanding and attitude toward the whole of life, not just the time spent in church, and that is exactly what it did, and that is why the NO faithful are much more tolerant of things like abortion than Trad faithful are. And FGB Dude: that makes a huge difference and it IS important, ABSOLUTELY. And that is merely on the moral level.
@aahlstrom935 жыл бұрын
So then if no one should focus on what the priest wears why not wear more elaborate vestments?
@catherinecarter89878 ай бұрын
I left the RCC when Borgoglio/Francis bowed down before Shamanic statue.
@angelvalentinmojica69674 жыл бұрын
I am catholic but unfortunately I dont have access to traditional latin mass. Ironically I do have access to eastern catholic divine liturgy.
@kharma1017 жыл бұрын
I attend Vatican 2 and comparing it with Latin Mass😢It's disgraceful but I love Vatican 2 Priests as well. They are Nice People😢I want to go to Traditional Latin Mass but it's hard to find one where Im living. Plus I'm only 16 Years old. I have to follow my parents to Vatican 2 and I refuse to eat the Body and Blood. I'm waiting till I go to Latin Mass which will take forever...
@forkyicicle89047 жыл бұрын
BMA SH Have you tried looking at the sspx district website of your country? Also, if you live in or near a large city, there should be at least one Latin Mass available.
@zelkovas5 жыл бұрын
@@CatherineAragon1536 Sedevacantism is HERESY! If you want real Traditional Latin Mass you should go to a SSPX parish, they're faithful to Rome and to the Pontiff, but also rejects Vatican II and follow the real tradition
@maxkol43803 жыл бұрын
Orthodox compared to Traditional Catholicism? No comparison. Catholic wins. Orthodox compared to novus ordo liberal catholicism. I pick Orthodox.
@Garapetsa7 жыл бұрын
The Russians know how to build a church! Chuch of Christ the Savior is today wonder of world. The Eastern orthodox Christian Church has never changed the lit. Sad, Roman Catholic Church should go back to their Latin masses. St John wrote a beautiful liturgy for all time. People need to check out the Russian Church rebuilt by millions of orthodox Christians since 1985.
@marc16w826 Жыл бұрын
proud to be a byzantine melkite greek catholic ☦️☦️☦️
@britanniacountryball.85573 ай бұрын
La unidad de la Santa Iglesia Católica.❤
@gregoryvess71837 жыл бұрын
Pray for the reunion of the east and the west!!
@brian51283 жыл бұрын
East will need to accept the Filioque
@MusabNaveed3 жыл бұрын
@@brian5128 we must pray that it does :) amen
@brian51283 жыл бұрын
@@MusabNaveed and pray that they accept Florence as a true ecumenical council
@rinwesley30923 жыл бұрын
@@brian5128 Sorry, but no.
@brian51283 жыл бұрын
@@rinwesley3092 accept the bull of Florence
@somerandomguypart Жыл бұрын
one of these are oriental orthodox which are not the same as eastern orthodox church
@Kanal7Indonesia7 жыл бұрын
I think the Catholic one is more simple than the Orthodox
@bigman78566 жыл бұрын
Anthony Wijaya They’re both very complex, Anthony. Perhaps you think one is more complex because of ignorance of the other, and bias towards the other?
@severianmonk73945 жыл бұрын
Simplicity is not a bad thing. Actually the Orthodox Liturgy is far less punctilious in ritual details and far more natural in its gestures.
@ΑΝΤΩΝΗΣΣΜΥΡΝΙΟΣ7 жыл бұрын
we can see in this video 3 rites of 3 churches . (Roman Catholic rite , eastern orthodox rite, and oriental orthodox rite)