Living in a Lemon: Our motorhome misadventure

[@LizAmazing]

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[@edgewood2441]

Takes guts to ask/beg for money. You’re making a ton on/from UTube!

[@edgewood2441]

Takes guts to beg for money. You make a ton on UTube!

[@brucemontgomery6853]

It’s surreal that the rv industry has so much protection from real concerns of comfort and function . Their lobbying must be so powerful and laws are insulating them because people’s aren’t dying- just out thousands of dollars and STUCK

[@Takethisoffhere]

@@edgewood2441 what do you feel like you have to repeat yourself?

[@cf9399]

@@edgewood2441jealous some? She’s doing a great job and she’s working her butt off for people.

[@d.powers3428]

After watching my dad constantly dealing with his rv issues, I have opted for a tent and a pickup truck. 😊

[@deandee8082]

no jokes less money spent in fuel, a little work here and there pitching a tent oh well, the money you save, how reliable are these for the road? id be skeered to drive one.. no thanks

[@mikespies786]

Ditto! After nearly two years of research and hundreds of hours of KZbin RV videos, we opted to rig up our F150 to enable us to bring our bikes, kayaks, portable grill, and Dometic fridge. We’ll earn tons of loyalty points at Holiday Inn Express, enjoy a full bed, hot shower and free breakfast every morning. When we crunch the numbers between purchasing an RV and living out of the truck, we are money ahead, even without an asset at the end.

[@MsRotorwings]

@@mikespies786Holiday Inn? You’re missing out on the camping experience.

[@mikespies786]

@@MsRotorwings Perhaps, but we are travelling with a portable BBQ, a 12v Dometic fridge, lawn chairs, kayaks, bikes and hiking poles, so we are able to enjoy the outdoors before heading to the hotel for the night. What we really are missing out on is the nightmare that the RV industry has become, Mathematically, at least for us, the numbers just don’t make sense and the stress of continuous breakdowns, broken dealer promises and RV manufacturers who just can’t seem to build quality products is something we don’t need in our day. Each to their own, but for us, this is the route we have decided will work best for us. This couple’s story is proof positive that no matter how much you spend, in this case over 1/2 million dollars, and no matter what the “old” reputation of the manufacturer is, in this case (Bob) Tiffin, that RVing today is risky to say the least. No one should have to go through what these young people have had to endure, but especially on a brand-recognized, brand new, $500,000+ motorhome. This story is outrageous and egregious and only cements our choice to go with Holiday Inn over any RV manufacturer.

[@Somebodysomewheresometime]

What about a t@b?

[@CRCCPastor]

A few years ago, my wife and I contemplated an RV to travel around and have some fun as we got older. This channel and other other videos on KZbin have completely cured me. A nice car and good hotels!

[@esterdrass4964]

It does make you think. The money you spend to buy it, to maintain it, to register and insure it and thats praying that it runs well.

[@Jeff-sp7bg]

Better to Rent one

[@robertaaugustini4091]

Cars have also gone crazy up in price and quality is abysmal

[@vietnamvet4533]

Yep can't imagine being stuck in one of those tin can I paid 500k for with my wife 24-7. Do tons of traveling many times for free with air miles points etc. Can't go you Europe in one of those things.

[@JeanSchlemaan]

​@@vietnamvet4533rving isn't for everyone. I simply love it

[@jillwinterberg6570]

I never cease to be amazed at the poor workmanship and abysmal quality control from the manufacturers of these brand new, expensive motorhomes.

[@LizAmazing]

I know it. You'd think it at this price point they'd have it all together. Thanks for watching, Jill, and stay tuned.

[@DustinEvans1966]

Just travel the world without vehicles. Can't believe people still buy this junk.

[@animal79thecat]

@@DustinEvans1966 Folk have too much money these days to waste it seems

[@robertdamin8723]

It does not surptise me at all. Because I was in the claims department for at least 7 years. Some companies were responsible and some were not. As a worker for a dealership we want to give service under the warranty times. However did I fight and our dealershop was behind our customers who were having a problem. But some how we had to talk to the president of the manufacturer in Indana. And than the company ask us to ship the enture unit to their premises and the company finaly solve the problem and sometimes more than one problem. I do think quality control does not exist at that time and today it appears the problem seems occuring. I do think the production for those units are to fast quality is somehow not take care today and if you ( the company ) would have a product produce with no flaw you name would not need pubicity. Think about that you would be no. ! seller.

[@goldie862]

​@@LizAmazingAnd should be at EVERY price point

[@bradforester3635]

These people are screwed without you liz. You’re really out here doing good for people. Good for you 👏

[@Aikynbreusov]

I amso glad that our Liz has found her heavenly calling to do good deed for people

[@xtremehunter8597]

I just retired and am contemplating an RV purchase. If I'm spending a million dollars on an RV and have these problems, i will spend the rest of my retirement in litigation. I think these guys have lost a big sale. Thank you Liz for all you do keeping the community informed .😡😡

[@vietnamvet4533]

Well at you age why in the world would you spend that much money to do what. Here is an idea, I'm in Florida been all over the country and half way around the world. Why don't you save that million, give me 200k and I'll be your personal vacation planner. This way I just saved you 800k.

[@eldridge201]

If you are stupid enough to buy one of these new RVs or campers with your retirement savings and you have issues, you deserve what you get. There are tens of thousands of videos out there as evidence of why it's insane to buy a new RV. When you said you would spend your time and money in litigation, YOU WERE EXACTLY RIGHT. If that's what you enjoy spending your time and money on, then go ahead and whip out that cash or checkbook.

[@vietnamvet4533]

@@eldridge201 Couldn't agree more with the 200k plus they spend plus all the other cost. The trips to Europe and all over this country they could take would be amazing.

[@scotimotti]

​@@eldridge201exactly

[@mikeyseifert80]

Absolutely never buy a travel trailer, worst financial decision in 44 years of my life. Just build a really cool overlanding setup or get a Van. Just my opinion.

[@LarryLMelton]

Had Bob Tiffin sold his company to the Japanese and left Leigh Tiffin in charge, this disrespect for the customer would not have been tolerated. In fact, someone would have handed Leigh Tiffin a short sword, and after leaving the room, he would have been expected to do the honorable thing. But, in America, the top of the hierarchy seldom pays the price for incompetence; they get promoted. Larry from Texas

[@hotpuppy1]

Nope! I worked for a Japanese car joint venture and they hide stuff to save face.

[@jeffwhite3021]

@LarryLMelton Ha ha. 500k is actually not enough to build a nice coach. 20 years ago a similar coach would have been $350k so this is actually a "budget" unit.

[@mikes-wv3em]

THOR IS A JAPANES COMPANY? THEYRE THE DEUTZEBANC OF RVS

[@TexasSteele67]

I remember Leigh'...............Changes are comin'

[@barrypenobscott9882]

That's very much like how our government operates.

[@Hidden_Destinations]

I was preparing to purchase a $925,000 Tiffen and have now decided I will not buy Tiffen.

[@JeanSchlemaan]

Get a $50k one

[@colt45caliber]

If I spend that much on a thing and it's bad... somebody getting their ass whooped.

[@patrickgagne8795]

Don’t buy new. 2000 to 2007 was the golden age. Anything after 2008 is brutal

[@-Bigjordan]

swag it

[@timothyhowell7444]

I used to dream of some day owning one these big rigs and enjoying retirement, but after stumbling across your channel, I will never ever purchase an RV, renting one will be the only way to go into retirement! Keep up the good work Liz!

[@Milesco]

Yeah, same here. For years I dreamed of buying an RV and traveling around the country full time. But after hearing all the horror stories -- and not just from this channel -- I have reluctantly put that dream on hold, possibly permanently. ☹

[@joewoodchuck3824]

You could look at older ones that were built better.

[@Milesco]

@@joewoodchuck3824 But they would have to be quite a bit older, and then you have the problem of wear and tear.

[@garnettsailor1605]

It's just no longer a Tiffin. It's a Thor. Remember: If the company is Thor, run for the door!

[@unikornkontroller]

This is what I tell anybody looking to purchase an RV. Thor is the worst.

[@keithqueen3554]

If Gulfstream is still in business don't ever consider one.

[@RantzBizGroup]

The only unit to consider is Prevost!!!

[@PatrickBaptist]

@@RantzBizGroup Yeah except in the US a prevost is hard to get parts for and even less people work on them...

[@RantzBizGroup]

@@PatrickBaptist agreed, but if you ever get a chance to tour the plant, do it!!!

[@davidpoplin6344]

Liz, you are the best RV consumer advocate on social media. Thank you for all your hard work and for enduring your own personal hardships along the way while still advocating for others. We need to get Congress involved to extend consumer protection law specifically to RVs in spite of the money RV industry lobbyists keep pumping out to their puppets. Keep up the good fight and thank you again. 🙏

[@jondonahue7163]

Ditto to the above. These are great sums of money that buyers are risking... and if an RV can't deliver as promised in a 3-month period, you should get your money back immediately.

[@jimbuchanan5550]

"You're looking at my team...." Nice, Liz.

[@marilynkozlow8400]

Liz, you are a great advocate for all these people. I’ve never in my life would have thought you can fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars and get screwed over like these folks have. What a shame, thank goodness they have a place to come and vent and hopefully get a solution.

[@thebluetarp]

Not everyone is being heard. Liz is just one person. She says she has HUNDREDS of people with rv problems in her inbox. So actually we need more people like this doing this work!

[@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits]

BUY BACK!!! BUY BACK!!!! BUY BACK!!!!! DO NOT settle for a swap!! You will only be getting a newer rig with the SAME MAJOR issues!!!! Get your half million back PLUS you should get money for pain and suffering!!! This is disgusting. I am livid seeing this couple having their money STOLEN and then suffering beyond that.

[@RichardKocinski-ed9wz]

I completely agree you spend that kind of money. They need to get a buy back and extra 500 .000 for their 6 months of misery. Total bullshit.. thanks young lady for making us aware I would never spend that kind of money on a coach. It would be cheaper to have custom built.

[@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits]

@@RichardKocinski-ed9wz I would rather get a Teepee in the woods than this. LOL

[@lonayork591]

Bet they are stuck with that lemon 🍋.

[@Wolfrathat]

Liz, you are truly amazing. Keep shaking up the industry, we need you!

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks so very very much for your support!!

[@c.p.1688]

Amen!

[@SPDATA1]

Yes, she is amazing 😍❤

[@misterhipster9509]

Swim suit version please.

[@redfo3009]

​@@LizAmazingLiz you are in the same position as those Boeing whistleblowers. Please take care. You're up against evil psychopath types that stop at nothing.

[@lauraanderson2982]

Liz You ARE Amazing!!! I know many people purchase Rvs and don't experience such difficult problems but when they do I had no idea they were this bad!! It is awesome you are shinning a light on the care of the consumer when it is needed.

[@erzio631]

I don't know who this man can explain his situation without getting heated. So sorry your going through this. I have shared this with everyone I know to subscribe and support this chanel.

[@LizAmazing]

Thank you for sharing my channel. And, yes, what an absolute nightmare for them. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.

[@waltermycroft1560]

The job you are doing for the RV community is amazing and appreciated.

[@chop2093]

These manufacturers cut costs everywhere which leads to endless quality control issues. These are nice and shiny on the surface but peel away the layers and they’re cheaply built. You’re doing awesome work for holding these manufacturers accountable!

[@donbrown1251]

Agreed COST CUTTING,SHORT CUTS,ECT. are going to be the down fall of the industry. I have had our 5th wheel in the shop 5 weeks since we purchased it in February and is back in now. The tec. told me everything is thrown together with the hope it is out of warranty but the consumer finds the issues. The dealer ship at the time of delivery showed us the RV, with the 50 amp. cord plug hanging out of the wall. The tip outs were 2 inches out of plumb the D molding out, the storage door that was bent. ( they sent me a new one to install. REALLY ) most of the receptacles did not work 3 pages of repair and we never spent a night in it. So many problems that the dealership gave me $500. to bring it back. The awning tore, the curtains were missing but ( they sent me them to install) We were in Montreal and a service technician from a local dealer was along side of us working, showed us a bunch of things I didn’t notice. Sooo it sitting in a shop waiting for Forest River to approve the repairs. It was manufactured in September last year!

[@michaelberning774]

Stick to a trailer you can pull behind your vehicle The more complex you make something the more failure modes it has RV makers don’t do sound systems engineering.

[@adhobbies1776]

homes are the same way. I build for the extremely wealthy, but when i walk track home builds Im fuckin disgusted. The men that tought me ass a teenager were building normal homes and they took the same care that I take building 20 million dollar homes, buyt these builders now days, they dont give a shit and its obvious. I wouldnt buy a house build in the last 10-15 years by a major national builder.

[@G-S-D]

Where is you are a total asset to this world. Can't thank you enough for helping these folks out

[@laurakilmer8652]

PEOPLE Do not buy these expensive RVs They are just as bad as the rest. Tiffin and the Rest are treating their customers like CRAP tHANKS lIZ

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks Laura! Hoping they see these videos as a wakeup call.

[@leslieholmes2899]

Went from a class A Thor that was junk to Class C Forest River East West and could not be happier. Went to Arizona from Florida and back with zero problems. Several short trips and still great.

[@jasonranger4098]

I'm thinking rather than a new motor home may just seek a vintage one. Like 2008 and older, better craftsmanship.

[@asheburypress882]

@@jasonranger4098I’m told there are RV parks that won’t accept rigs over 10 years old. I bet older is better at this point, but how many places won’t accept a vintage tenant?

[@jamespoole9839]

@@asheburypress882 my son has a restored silver eagle 40ft and he camps at a lot of the places that I do in NC SC Tennessee and has net told me that he has a issue getting a space but I’m sure like the high end resorts in Florida and some other states probably won’t allow older models but them resorts are not where we look for when we’re camping anyway, I’ll have to ask him has he ever had any problems getting into these, we have camped at most all of the campground s in Myrtle Beach.

[@justinetaylor8779]

I currently do not own an RV but I am truly thankful for you Liz and what your doing this is definitely great for me in the future when I purchase one. I have learned so much for Liz’s channel and from others as well. These companies don’t care they are making their millions why fix it. Problem is they don’t realize if they continue to make crappy RV’s they will eventually go under because people see these videos and won’t purchase RV’s period. Wake up companies wake up fix the problems before your standing in the unemployment line

[@tinbarnranch]

Putting the internet to good use. Thanks Liz! RV communities need to speak out loudly about this type of service and the crap being put out by mfg's. Large companies, like Thor, do not care about customers, just shareholders. Tiffin should have already bought this POS back!

[@LizAmazing]

Exactly! I'm grateful to be using my platform as a force of good. I so appreciate your support. I'm hoping these videos will serve as a wake up call to the powers that be in the RV industry. Thanks so much for your support!

[@tinbarnranch]

@@LizAmazing Sadly the only "wake up call" they will notice is when folks STOP buying this junk. Please continue your fine work getting the message out!

[@TroyCollier]

Welcome to rv life. It's just the way it goes. I had an 85k a class fleetwood that had leaks and loads of issues. Now I own a single axle wolf pup and that little thing is bulletproof.

[@tyman2007]

Keep these video's coming expose these crooked rv manufacturers.

[@Bruin4Life]

It s so hard to believe how far the RV industry has fallen since I started RV’ing back in the late 1960’s! Know that I had some issues with m 2013 5th wheel that occurred after the warranty expired that I fixed myself and a couple that I paid to fix because they were structural and required professional equipment and expertise that I don’t have. Hopefully, your organizing can help all of us get better RV’s and bring back the quality that was a major part of the industry years ago. Thank ou for all that you do on behalf of us owners out here!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@texaslady7630]

Tiffin should buy it back. Also, the black mold could really make the owner(s) ill due to the company's negligence. Thank you, Liz.

[@LizAmazing]

You are so welcome. The mold test comes back in a couple days to identify what that was. It sure doesn't look good though.

[@PaulRiesland]

Mold lawsuits are dreadfully expensive. Tiffin will wish they bought it back.

[@acuchics]

Tiffin should buy it back and happily open their wallet to any brand, size and customization Class A coach this couple wants. No questions asked.

[@thedad1557]

Had a class C. Something was always wrong but after watching your channel for a while I think I sold a good one. Keep it up. I enjoy you helping people and your commentary.

[@charlottelavalette8236]

Liz the RV owners you work with should be on their knees thanking you. And give you something for helping them . Keep up your good work . Have a great weekend .🐼

[@LizAmazing]

Aww, you are so kind, thanks Charlotte. Have a great weekend as well!

[@grantmorrey5138]

I bought a 100,000 me school bus bolted down some furniture and am loving it

[@sunshine3914]

Until you need a tow or parts.

[@crazydee1955]

It'll still be way cheaper than this guy's issues.​ @sunshine3914

[@mikefoehr235]

There almost seems like words cannot describe the absolute horror shows with these high priced RVs. Our Rockwood Roo has a small leak on the front bed...after 6 years of ownership. So, Rockwood at least in 2018 got it mostly ALLRIGHT. We had some issues but man they are particles compared to these poor souls. Liz, you truly are amazing. You are a super hero. I am certain your heart is made of platinum.

[@trustbanker]

We did our homework before we bought in 2007. First, no slide outs. Second, be sure there is a full body frame. Third, we have a beautiful home and don't need to try and duplicate it on the road. The solution that worked for us was an Airstream. It was twice or more expensive than SOB, some other brand, but it's easy to replace things like furnace, refrigerator etc, etc. Our trailer is SOLID. Just finished a 10,500 mile Newfoundland trip pulling our old beat up Airstream. With that said, Airstream is now Thor. We looked at new ones in Denver this year and did not see the quality ours has. We had already had doubts about Thor. Thanks Liz. No new trailer for us.

[@esterdrass4964]

I was going to say that I don't hear great things about Airstream these days, but the older ones are solid

[@michaelbishop6436]

@@esterdrass4964 We've had our 2023 Airstream 23FBT International for 1.5 years - 0 issues - solid as a rock - but as with all RVs it's luck of the draw.

[@MisterChips2012]

I’m about to purchase a class A and it’s looking like the best advice is the buy one that is definitely used, it’s been put through the trials, any issues are either fixed or the unit wasn’t effected. I’m hearing that units built during and after Covid are best to stay clear. I plan on full time living, not driving crazy miles, more looking to find amazing places to park and live with a good friendly community.

[@CatFoodDraino]

As wild as it is (I am lucky) I bought a brand 2020 Thor palazzo diesel and haven’t had any major issues. Knock on wood and pray to the lord.

[@sunshine3914]

If you’re planning on staying in RV parks, just know that many discriminate against older models.

[@JeanSchlemaan]

​@sunshine3914 not "many", "some"

[@JeanSchlemaan]

This is your best path imho. Stay in the $50-60k rabge and avoid much of the depreciation. I love full time living in my class a

[@deborahgarrison4349]

Liz, I certainly think you need to be compensated for your efforts. It is helping owners and educating to-be owners. I don’t know a fair rate but maybe a base fee for conferring with owners, then additional fees for additional letters, phone calls, record maintenance, etc. If these claims go to court, your success warrants expert testimony fees, travel and lodging. Your time is valuable and your proven track record is invaluable. Thank you.

[@PowerSports]

Do you not realize how much money she makes from the KZbin ads??? You can easily Google it and it'll pop right up.

[@cameg1670]

Not a RV owner, but a couple of my coworkers are so I was interested in them. I luckily stumbled upon your channel and now are hooked. I’m happy there’s someone fighting for owners of these defective RV! I truly couldn’t imagine paying that type of $$$ and getting the poor customer service these companies deliver.

[@Pilot545]

At this point, it’s almost worth doing what other KZbinrs have been doing and just buying a solid van or bus and do your own conversion. Might be a PIA and take awhile, but you’ll KNOW that you have something built with quality.

[@JonathanHoiles01]

Liz, you should have an attorney come on your show and talk about lemon laws and what consumers can do to hold these companies accountable for selling junk.

[@ryanbourne5884]

I don’t think Lemon laws apply to RVs.

[@shekharmoona544]

Steve Lehto.

[@GPSJayDog22]

Unbelievable. These stories are heartbreaking. These poor people are getting junk and being treated very poorly. Shame on these manufacturers for not building these units properly. Stop the line and get these units fixed! there should be a crew swamping these units and getting them fixed. Then go back and build the new ones with what they learned. Thanks 4 sharing. Great video 🙂

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Great vid again 👍 Tiffan, BUY IT BACK!

[@LizAmazing]

Thanks for this, Patrick! Have a great weekend and see you next week.

[@margarethorrall8621]

They were junk BEFORE Tiffan sold. They had decent customer service though.

[@todda8695]

5:35 That was a good question. What do you do for a living ?

[@harrycooper5231]

"It didn't work the first time they tried to fix it. Then they did the same thing 5 more times, and it still doesn't work." 🤣

[@jeffwhite3021]

It's no laughing matter. There is nobody around anymore that knows how to fix stuff. When you're too old to fix things yourself you're going to regret that your money is also unable to buy anyone smart enough to fix what needs fixing.

[@brettymike]

@@jeffwhite3021 What do you reckon has happened to cause the lack of good Engineers??

[@jeffwhite3021]

@brettymike I don't know if it's bad engineering. Just very difficult to get good quality parts and assembly technicians who can compensate for issues and solve problems. Motorhomes are very much "hand built" and quality suffers if the labor doesn't have a strong technical background vs say automotive assembly lines where tasks can be automated and checked over 1000's of duplicate units.

[@brettymike]

@@jeffwhite3021 I can assure you it is Bad engineering, caused by people who don't know what the Hell they are doing. BTW - EVERYTHING is engineering.

[@Chris-gy1hf]

That is for sure 100% correct. Part of the reason everything is built so bad.

[@vickielane7387]

Thank you for publicly holding the manufacturers feet to the fire Liz👏👏👏👏

[@halp.3640]

I got back from Tiffin 4 weeks ago, I was there for 2 weeks and the guy in this video was there when I got there and when I left.

[@livefreevinnie]

We need to start asking Congress to pass an RV Lemon Law. It’s the only way these problems will be fixed. The build quality will also significantly improved.

[@EricMaffettone]

Another update from Liz. I'm so thankful I was able to be here in the first hour. Please help change this country's RV industry.

[@LizAmazing]

Yes! Thanks for being here in the first hour, Eric. Really makes a difference to the video's success. And I so appreciate your support.

[@lw8447]

I dont even own an RV, but you do good work for people and a great job.

[@henrymorgan3982]

The rule going forward is NEVER DROP your cash before ALL systems are checked COMPLETELY by a PROFESSIONAL!

[@ralphp3057]

I don’t understand why anyone would pay cash in the first place ! Puzzled 🤔

[@phillmckrakin2518]

I don't know why anyone would buy an RV these days. They have always been cheap, now they can't even build them right.

[@ralphp3057]

@@phillmckrakin2518 I actually bought an all fiberglass Casita RV in 2019 . It’s been a great unit with zero issues! Yeah, it’s not built in the RV belt ! 😁

[@Fox_Stangs]

Just the pay cash for an RV is insane , finance that craziness and buy a couple of adorable housing properties and sit on that passive income.

[@vickielane7387]

@@ralphp3057 save on paying interest.🤔

[@w6qw52]

Note to self - Tiffin is definitely off my buy-list for our next motorhome! New Tiffin RV's with myriad problems are the rule, not the exception, based of all the reviews I have read and viewed.

[@dougnorton5143]

This fellow speaks the truth. My brother actually owns a 2019 40IP. What a pile of junk, and it too has been to Red Bay for repairs and came back with still half the problems it went there for. JUNK, JUNK, JUNK!

[@phillipc4865]

Tiffin has such a following and i never understood why. They have never impressed me.

[@jaypat991]

We have a slightly older Tiffin. Bought used. Have fixed the issues ourselves and so far it has been really good. Being able to troubleshoot your own problems seems to be our best advice to others. Get a nice used unit. Save a ton of money up front. They all leak, the all flex, they all breakdown. A fact of RVing.

[@Anthony-hc9ib]

I feel sick. I don’t know anything about rvs. Bro I wanna drive to that crappy town and hang out with you so you’re not bored by yourself. ❤

[@PeterKeys-he9gl]

Liz do you still have a RV? Are you going back to living on the road? Did you buy a new RV? If so what model etc? Your channel is growing very quickly now. Best wishes, Peter.

[@jeeper5264]

Unbelievable that these companies can just poopoo stuff in hopes it will go away....especially at that price bracket.....Thank you for what you do Liz..

[@retiredoperator2560]

We have a 2001 Newmar Dutchstar motorhome on a Spartan chassis with 145,000 miles on it. It was purchased new by us. After watching these videos with all the problems of the new units, I would not trade for any of them. We do not have all the fancy new bells and whistles, just the old mechanical items the work great. Ours was built when Newmar built quality and stood behind the product. There was a few issues the first couple years and Newmar took are of it, no problem. Now with the new owners of Newmar, I wonder how much the quality has been pushed aside for profit. Think we will keep the old bullet proof 2001 model for a while!! Better yet, it has been paid for a long time.

[@cjpumpernickle6248]

Who would want to buy a Tiffin? Surprised the company is still in business. The customer spent a ton of money and got nothing but headaches. Liz, you are doing excellent work. Makes you wonder about the quality of other RV manufacturers. They might want to talk to Tiffin too, as this makes one wonder about the entire industry. So don't buy a Tiffin or you will get a good stiffen.

[@esterdrass4964]

I am sorry to hear this. I was on some channel where they suggested checking out rv's in the rain but that may not be possible. Check the showers and floor and turn heat on. I do have a working rv and never checked a thing. I bought it online quite a few years ago and frankly was lucky as all hell. But I wouldn't do that again, now I would have to check it out all over the place.

[@jonmcclure10]

Traveled to all 50 states and hundreds of other nations and saw their R.V.'s too. They are small, yes very small. America is huge, third largest nation, unlike Canada #2 in size where 90% of their land is not usable and population too is one hundred miles along our joint 4,000 mile border. Great R.V. trips there, but just stay in the ZONE. Anyway, we had three R.V.'s over much of our 55 years of marriage and the quality of most all the companies has gone down every decade. I produced large food, home, recreation & health shows, and home builder shows nationwide and nine just in beautiful Alabama each year, and we had a large R.V. section either inside if I had enough square footage or outside in not. In those days when it rained the water did not come into your rig. Our last huge R.V. had hundreds of issues, (four slide outs) even ten years ago, and we were handy, both of us to fix most, but the slides are scary bad, as they are most complicated and need a specialist from the plant in many cases. Our suggestion is if you are old with money and thinking of buying a class, A, class C, or even a class B, do your homework and if you are not handy at fixing things in remote areas of the nation, you best stick to not buying one and just go with motels, as we just go with Hilton. When we took a trip from Alabama to Branson, Missouri to see our family there, (he is a home builder/developer and even builds huge buildings and mini-malls), but he bought a new 5th wheel like ours, but five years newer. Well, first trip parked by our 5th wheel, the master builder of everything, could not fix two of his four slide outs. His rig was just two week old, GO FIGURE! When Bob Tiffin was at Red Bay, Alabama and was boss, they built the best of the best coast to coast, and we know as we have been in many, many dozens of his big rigs and believe us NO ONE ever said they were not the best then. Since Thor took over and his grand son took the helm, now us and Liz see these issues. What a shame, as Tiffin was for sure was the best made and backed by the company too. Times are a changing and maybe not for the better. Today I just read even Honda is closing two plants in China, same in Thailand, U.K. and even in Japan too. We just bought a new Acura MDX three row and wife a new 24' Honda CR-V and love them, but what the hell is going on? Best look out your window, as today they said a huge asteroid is on its way, can things get any worse?

[@Ohmygoodness-LTB]

Thanks Liz, this is the 2nd video I have seen in regards to Tiffin RV problems, as a couple of a certain age, we are ready to start our retirement and have been exploring different styles of RV,s, costs, etc...we may steer clear of this brand.

[@drn13355]

The second the contract is signed the customer is on their own. The RV companies have run the numbers. Sell junk and do little Mickey Mouse repairs until warranty runs out costs the company less than making quality to begin with. And it is all about making the most money. Period.

[@sherylcammarato5661]

Great video. We finally just gave up on trying to get things fixed by the manufacturer. We will NEVER buy Fleetwood again. Ever. We had a Newmar prior and it was amazing and they were amazing if we ever needed anything. This floor plan of our Fleetwood sold me (front kitchen). But it's been a nightmare. Keep up the awesome videos Liz! We love you!

[@dennisgardiner43]

Tiffen may need to invest in x-ray equipment so they can see inside of the walls and floor. This would allow them to pin point where the problem is on a coach's hidden structure. Feel sorry for the owners, but I also feel for the repair techs. It has to be frustrating to keep working on a problem, day-in and day-out without finding a solution. As a retired tech, this would keep me up at night thing about the possible solutions.

[@BERTRAND85O]

I’m a Country Coach guy. I’ll never buy anything else. Maybe a beaver, foretravel, Newell or liberty Coach

[@daisymae1327]

This truly, SUCKS!! A Buy back-with compensation for this couple's time, is the ONLY acceptable answer!! Bless you, Liz. Please, stay safe. 🙏

[@larrymarks8812]

I bought a 30year old Fleetwood pace arrow diesel pusher . It has solid oak cupboards and ceramic tile countertops. It is nice and it doesn’t leak and rinds terrific. Sorry for you problems. Thy should fix your problems and or give you your money back. Litigate ….. Get your just deserts …

[@bmurphy1098]

The twisting of the frame explains the slides not working.

[@joecushman6030]

Let me get this straight, they put ceramic tile on a floor that sits on a frame that twists.

[@Nmdixon-cu7vm]

@@joecushman6030technically, the frame is unnaturally twisting because of the problem of that corner jack. The techs need to prioritize the repairs when there’s that many problems.

[@sunshine3914]

@@joecushman6030Thanks. I had paused it a couple seconds prior to that. That’s insane that anyone would use ceramic inside a vehicle. And I say that as someone who installed ceramic & stone for 12 years & sold RV parts for 7. WTF were they thinking?

[@JayTalksinjury]

The frame is twisting because it's not thick enough and has too much weight on it . I pull over 120 000 lbs with my rig. No twist.

[@j.t.5826]

Thanks for sharing. we were thinking of buying one in a year but after seeing alot of problems and manufacturers not taking care of there customers, no thanks. Customer service is paramount to a business.

[@randallsmith5631]

Tiffen need to buy back their lemon. Tiffen probably made 1OO grand on that lemonade sale

[@Bmwhacker-fl4qj]

We bought a new Fleetwood Diesel Pusher in 2003. It has been a great Coach. Had a leveling system main pump failure after a year, but the extended warranty I purchased covered it 100%...first/only time I've ever purchased an extended warranty and it more than paid for itself. I've performed all minor repairs myself as I don't trust any of the dealers....besides their rates are outrageous. Still own the Coach and any faults found have been solved for years.

[@johnpick8336]

Ms. Liz you should be rewarded for you work !

[@paulli405]

This is one of the many reasons I went with an older motorhome. 99 Monaco Executive 42 with tag, no slides and 120k miles. No issues other than just regular maintenance. I went with an older one as it has gone through the shakedowns, pre def and the previous owners were meticulous on maintenance. The newest and highest ones on the market are not always the best around. IMO

[@eddiegerlach7121]

Well done! That has the solid steel cage/chassis and what, 10 or 12 bag air ride? We had a 2000 Windsor, 1 slide...70K miles...had a few issues, but sold it 4 years later for what we paid for it...I believe going that route is definitely the way to go! ❤🙏👍

[@paulontheroad]

This is what happens when you put a 30 yr old silver spoon baby in charge of a multi million dollar business. Someone needs to step in and stop this before it goes off a cliff.

[@LizAmazing]

Yeah, it's not looking good is it? Thanks for watching.

[@ralphp3057]

That is so true ! Scary isn’t it !

[@rvhome5599]

Bob Tiffin already build crap long before he sold, he knew he was going out long before we knew and took advantage of his reputation, so is Thor now. I feel bad for all the folks who got trapped, there was a very young couple a while ago, this time they are young but seams they have the money to weather this

[@jeffsmall9058]

My guess is that the CEO has an accounting background with no real world understanding of what a customer is.

[@jeffwhite3021]

​@jeffsmall9058 Lack of skilled labor. It's liberals fault with their little covid lockdowns and firings for not getting the jab. Skilled labor and repair moved on or retired leaving only the "I just do what I'm told" people in these roles. 😂

[@BennyC-qg6rd]

You have 145k subscribers and 108k views of this video. I'm sure the word is getting out there. Great job, Liz!

[@dereksellars]

Oh My, Liz you are so mean. Just kidding. You are doing a Fantastic service here. I LOVE IT!! As well as many other people. Thank You!! Again :):)

[@MJ-zo5gb]

If I ever get an RV, I will get a small sprinter with no slides. Not too many amenities, but not too much to break, and can be serviced at Mercedes-Benz. You also go anywhere because it’s so small.

[@bobinabuddy]

When the window leaked leaving the show room…..I’m back at the show room for a full refund

[@e.rickhudson]

Oh my. That is one beautiful coach. It’s a shame. Thanks for being an advocate for everyone suffering from just plain lack of professionalism.

[@joygarrett8397]

I will just add that another problem is that neither the manufacturers nor the repair dealerships have any good, long term, Invested in quality, Knowledgeable technicians!!

[@Markpatrickrich]

It’s amazing they spend that much on a coach and it’s right and you have to beg to get it right. It’s terrible that they won’t make it right when you see a Tiffin you think wow that’s beautiful I’m looking into getting a class a I can’t afford a million dollar rig or even a 500,000. I’m looking at used diesel pusher I would definitely have a thoroughly inspected if you experience sure is scary to buy a rig. My fifth wheel is very reliable so I don’t know what to do. I’m in no hurry. I found the right coach all you do, my dear hope you and Paul are well wherever you are, sending you positive energy🙏🏼❤️🤙🏼

[@bertram_oredrock]

We will be in the market for a new Class A in the near future. Tiffin and Thor will probably be marked off the list.

[@LizAmazing]

I would not blame you one bit. I hope Thor is holding meetings about how to do better in the future.

[@micheleyoungblood]

Probably?

[@pbshooter100]

someone punches you in the face and you say to yourself I "probably" should get away from this person. LOL

[@jimwatkins8597]

As someone who actively looking for a diesel pusher, thanks to you I would not consider a Tiffin, seems stunning the Leigh Tiffin is not fired, what a jerk. Thanks for shinning the light before I had to work with you on a potential disaster myself.

[@FredFlintstone21]

Thank you for making us aware of this Liz! You truly are AMAZING!

[@crazycanuck30]

been shopping around for my father make sure to take tiffin off that list for him

[@jackmedcalf6254]

Was thinking of getting an RV when I retire. Won't be now. Going to be moving to the UK and buying a steel Narrowboat instead. Not so many things can go wrong with those and the sense of workmanship is strong with the manufactures.

[@2skyp]

Tiffin should, once again, suck it up and buy back this motorhome! Another horror story! How many horror stories does Tiffin need to hear before they actually change the way they build their RVs AND treat their customers? Thanks Liz! Another amazing video!

[@jeffwhite3021]

They lose huge money doing that. The profit margins aren't high enough to just "buy it back" on a whim.

[@stormtrooper9404]

@@jeffwhite3021Profit margins are thin?! For a dollhouse made of plywood and cardboard!? Don't tell such a bad jokes...

[@williamsaar964]

I have had 7 motorhomes since a `1976 Fireball. Nothing beat my 2003 Newmar Mountain Aire. After I left the dealer I never had the need to return for any repairs. I live in Holland, MI which is a 2 hr drive to the factory. I would go there for pleasure but not for the factory. The Amish food is very good. Not all RVs are bad, we had it until 2014.

[@Tek-eo3li]

All NEW RVs are bad

[@21stcenturymetal31]

I know the feeling. I knew a guy that lived in a tent because he didn't have a half million dollars to spend on a vacation rv. His tent came from the factory leaking and it wasn't even raining. The struggle is real. lol

[@rachelg8313]

Was ready to buy this exact model. No mas. Thank you for this vid.

[@ceedoubleyou]

I've been following KZbin clips on RVing for maybe 10yrs and I haven't been convinced, onced priced hiring an RV for a holiday and priced motels for the same trip, it was very similar, what made me go motels/hotels was not having to worry about the black/grey tanks and driving an apartment around the country.

[@Itsa_Mea]

You clearly are not familiar with the full delightful experience of RV'ing. No hotel/motel compares, ever.

[@petitchenil]

Great video on a terrible situation. Keep up the pressure. I think they need a lemon law attorney. After eight years of motorhome ownership I've learned not to upgrade to a new(er) unit. One thing I think is important is if this rig was financed they could opt to walk away, or, get the bank involved that they are considering that option due to the rig being unrepairable. Imagine if many owners did this and the banks started to stop loaning on THOR products due to getting stuck with lemons. OH - the go to Red Bay does not work well for us on the west coast!

[@unknown-user]

Every video I watch inspires me to never buy an RV. This is a nightmare.

[@joelincolnlincoln6315]

Lol 1 bedroom on beach cocoa beach fl condo is like 145k right now

[@davidstith9297]

I started to buy a motorhome when I retired but glad I didn't now. Spending weeks in a service center was not one thing I wanted to do. I moved to Europe and helped a nephew of my wife to start a RV park and it's doing pretty good. There are smaller campers here and no slide-outs at all.

[@davidmorris456]

The cost difference between building them right and building them the way they should be would be minimal compared to the long-term damage to this company. My #1 saying is you can't afford to save that much. The first generation sows it, the second grows it, and the third blows it. I hope this story ultimately has a happy ending, but it doesn't look good. Thanks Liz for the excellent work.

[@charliewatts6895]

Yeah the future doesn't look good for this company. I wouldn't buy from them.

[@markweiner3896]

WOW, 😲 , this along with all of the other great videos you're doing Liz telegraphs one important message...... DON'T buy anything made by Thor. I don't care what the name of the coach is.... even Airstream....If the parent company is Thor Industries..... just walk away... There's plenty of other RV manufacturers out there. I thought that I have some issues with my Roadtrek RS Adventurous, but, after seeing these videos...I'm very lucky and grateful to have a Roadtrek Motorhome over a Thor..... Most of my issues are just age related....I don't have a recent model.... If I had spent a half a million dollars on a RV I would expect it to be perfect.

[@bertram_oredrock]

David needs to talk to an attorney and get some legal advice immediately.

[@LizAmazing]

It may come to that. Thanks for this.

[@carolmcdaniel7693]

Tiffin/Thor should be ashamed of how these people are being treated and the poor quality of this rig! Our next Class A was going to be a Tiffin, but not now! Probably won't buy anything else either. Thank you for all you are doing for the broken RV industry!

[@stuartatkins5425]

Maybe foreign RV manufacturers should try selling their units here. Maybe the completion would help to shake up the RV market and force them to put out better quality products. Kind of like when Toyota and Honda got the Big Three to start making both quality AND reliable vehicles.

[@sdot5389]

Which ones? Driving around in these monstrosities is pretty much an American phenomenon. You’re dreaming if you think Japanese car companies want to get in this market, it’s antithetical to Japanese culture

[@jeffwhite3021]

They were only able to do that because of the 2:1 exchange rate between the U.S. and their own currency.

[@villevee1332]

Here in Europe they dont make so huge RVs but also i never heard so much problems in any european manufacturer.

[@chechygalvarez2269]

Thanks to your videos Thor just lost 3 units that our family planned to buy from them. Thanks again

[@hkk3656]

They should have bought a squirrel. 😂😂😂

[@brianennis2403]

Than you for posting. We have been planning on buying a Tiffin. Looks like you saves us some major headaches.