Tien vs Bleach is Totally Unfair!

[@bigyoshi5170]

“My my, it’s Tien. What, was Krillin busy? Come now you cannot be serious. With your power level? You’re no Soul Reaper, you’re no Arrancar and you’re certainly no Soul King. You’re a mere human.” -Aizen *”YEAH? WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? F@CK POWER LEVELS, F@CK THE HŌGYOKU AND F@CK YOU! SHIN-KIKŌHŌ!”* -Tien

[@Shadow-Astro69]

Tfs reference

[@kristopherwillis8075]

Best comment 🤣🤣

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Meanwhile the background song: I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

[@donnavondalrymple3353]

While i dont completely doubt your scaling , tien is getting stopped by at the arrancar arc , ( Baragon ) exists

[@kristopherwillis8075]

@@donnavondalrymple3353 how?🤔

[@discount_doom_slayer117]

Tien is so powerful, he can turn triangles into squares. Nobody outside of DB beats someone who can turn triangles into squares.

[@gotzvonunentberlichingen1452]

Popo’s squares make circles, so Popo is infinitely stronger than even Tien!

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Ok

[@pelletqowew1239]

@@gotzvonunentberlichingen1452all these squares make a circle all these square make a circle all these squares make a circle

[@hotdogcheese1975]

Guy: this one goes through the Square hole. Girl: AHHHHHHHHHHH!

[@purpleisthesneakiest]

​@@gotzvonunentberlichingen1452 Pecking order established!

[@8bitutopia182]

Yajirobe vs JoJo? Nah. Clearly next time is Chiaotzu vs Fairy Tail! 😂

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL VS BLEACH

[@lennimartinez]

Or YYH

[@KakashiHat4ke]

My question for these useless battles. Are these characters really gonna fight? Is yajirobe or tien or yamcha or even krillin important in their own verse? Means if a character is strong he is better? Anos is easily multiversal but is he a better character? Some people have to get matured. Some says gojo beats Goku🙃 they are the biggest piece of dog💩

[@Jsipki265]

@@KakashiHat4ke Nobody is arguing narratives or character writing brother this only focusing on their power and feats.

[@KakashiHat4ke]

@@Jsipki265 In IRL these fights not gonna happen. These arguments are something like childish things that my lowest character can finish off your verse🙃. If there was a argument on who is strong in their own verse then it was okay but this is baseless and useless. And there is no need every verse characters should be uni or multiversal 🙃

[@Mrsir529]

“So then TIEN shows up and is like ‘HEY, LEMME TURN TRIANGLES INTO F*CKING. SQUARES.’”

[@TienMostPowerfulEarthlingOfAll]

It’s a rotating reuleaux triangle and it in fact makes squares. Look it up you high school drop out. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ctv186]

Stoner thoughts: Yhwach uses Allmighty to see possible futures and all he can see is Tien's solar flare.

[@Kenos347]

You do realise he can literaly negate the tri beams by seeing the attack

[@Kenos347]

This guy doesn't know how the Almighty operates and what it does

[@Gojiradogzillagodzilla]

@@Kenos347 Its a joke, not a dick. Dont take it that hard.

[@ARCA564]

@@Kenos347 Learn to Take A JOKE

[@zxKarasuxz]

The almighty isn’t the power to just see the future. It’s the power to change it

[@gugol1]

Tien when he kills a random soul reaper and gets heart disease (Kisuke and Mayuri did a little trolling):

[@hoozy3]

Senzu bean blud.

[@Kenos347]

​@@hoozy3Senzu Bean couldn't even heal Goku's hearth disease

[@hoozy3]

@@Kenos347 that wa weak non canon goku

[@Kenos347]

@@hoozy3 wdym non canon it is literaly canon that Goku died to a hearth disease made by android Gero. He was losing the fight to android 19 because of his hearth disease. Multiple people in the bleach verse have waaaaaaay more dangerous dieseases/poisons that can affect any internal organ

[@hoozy3]

@@Kenos347 Not a single bleach character could lay a finger on ui Goku.

[@Jasonash4]

Do Yajirobee vs jojo chop chop content man

[@lonkstakes]

Whats next? Goku vs Dragon Ball???

[@xx_hivewars_xx9013]

​@@lonkstakesFrieza army vs invencible.

[@gabrielmachado1247]

​@@lonkstakes yes

[@vigothecatplay4234]

​@@lonkstakes Demon king Piccolo vs hxh Verse?

[@AzaiaMonota]

@@lonkstakes Save that one for April 1st

[@jesterjaded73]

DBS is so dumb. Like I get that power levels are BS, but DB - DBZ at least tried to be consistent with scaling.

[@JavotheDino18]

True.

[@scotty2dadout]

​@JavotheDino18 in what world? Goku goes from maxing out at 80k vs the ginyu force to fighting a guy who's second of 4 forms has a power levek of over 1 million. Past that power levels are irrelevant or not mentioned. People seem to forget that the power level system was in less of dragon ball z than it was absent from

[@jesterjaded73]

@@scotty2dadout Technically incorrect, he maxes out at 180k before his zenkai boost after fighting Ginyu which... somehow shoots him up to 3 million? But at least that actually had an explanation, even if it's one hell of a stretch since zenkais were heavily abused in that arc. In DBS, characters are just magically able to keep up because reasons, when they were demonstrably useless post-Freeza to post-Buu. It's basically retconning.

[@justazarcwithmustache]

Bro even cell Jrs are ssjb level at this point 💀

[@ScarLunacyAlter]

You can call it BS. But its probably that you yourself can't comprehend and understand the power scaling of the characters. DBZ had a few BS as well. Like Goten and Trunks going SS1 or Gotenks able to go SS3 of the bat.

[@demonmasted1]

Mmmh.... Tien being Universal to Multiversal, I dunno about that, I'd give him Solar System levels of feats but something to shake an entire universe itself and be on the levels of SSJG, I wouldn't believe it itself tbh My only issue to that is that Tien hasn't shown any feats that would make him able to even affect the universe (or Multiverse for that matter), on the likes of let's say SSJG Goku & Beerus punching and causing a shake up as an example

[@glazed_donut5158]

Look, I understand how you feel and that it's pretty dumb that the humans are this strong without screentime and development, but for the simple fact they scale to current base or super saiyan goku is the reason they scale above ssj god goku when he fought beerus. How you feel about it doesn't matter when that alone is a feat.

[@Undesirablesenseofself]

​@@glazed_donut5158dbs scaling is the worst to ever exist.How do you jump from dwarf star lvl to Multiversal by doing literaly nothing to begin with 💀💀💀💀

[@glazed_donut5158]

@Undesirablesenseofself terrible writing known as db super. Also, tien was not dawf star he was way higher like solar at the end of dbz

[@glazed_donut5158]

@Undesirablesenseofself unfortunately super didn't give the humans love, but they had to stay relevant somehow, so poof they are as strong as base goku

[@GOAT-ganyu]

​​​@@glazed_donut5158 Krillin on par with ssb Goku? No, bc Goku was holding back in ssb, Roshi on par with Jiren in manga no, so these characters they fought just weak as them and all, bc Goku dodges bullet in MUI, means that Goku is bullet level no, so base Goku dodging this noname is nothing and this noname damaged Gohan means that base Goku is = Ultimate Gohan = ssb Goku

[@lonkstakes]

You guys already know the DBZ Abridged quote...

[@Lego_vegeta]

FUCK POWER LEVELS🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@trueblue1893]

Give bleach a fair shot next time without the lowballing please 😢

[@NiccolóReina]

F*CK POWER LEVELS

[@Mikazuki-75]

Ki Ko ho

[@malekith33]

@@trueblue1893 lol he's biased. He didn't go over so many metas, even didn't consider shi like hado 90 or the Rei-oh. The ones he did go over, he just casually swiped past them all without providing context. lonk hating on bleach😞

[@superpeytendo64]

Just remember everyone: He is NOT a spectator; he is a WARRIOR!

[@millasboo]

6:55 That’s wrong btw. Chad literally said he could sense them but couldn’t see em, it’s why he needs Karin to point them out because Karin could see them fully and hear them

[@Kai.-YOO]

And Rukia helped him as well

[@ezramiller8936]

Additionally, full bringers have their abilities from birth, so while it's likely spirits can choose to interact with physical objects, it's more likely Chad's latent fullbringer abilities allowed him to use physical matter to interact with spiritual matter when he hit schreecher with the telephone pole

[@Needwagon4Speedwagon]

Yeah his whole argument already falls apart immediately because he ignores what's stated 5 seconds earlier then he ends with "uhh so yeah he beats them faster than they can do anything, anyways let me know what you think like and subscribe yay-yuzz" why even go over the other series at all lol. None of these characters ever did that, otherwise they wouldn't be so trash in their own series they have to be defended online by saying they solo other verses, damn

[@millasboo]

@@ezramiller8936 true

[@blackforceswithnolaces5273]

@@Needwagon4Speedwagonyoure stupid

[@TheYulverick]

Bro pulled out the universal Namek Freiza comment and I ain’t gonna lie; I was kind of done at that point. 😅

[@lukejones7164]

🤣

[@kamamara2567]

Namek Frieza stronger then perfect cell now 😭

[@vn9574]

That statement is one of the most debunkable statements from Dragon Ball and has been debunked countless times. This dude had the audacity to use that in this absolute dogs**t of a power scaling video.

[@dutyinternal3516]

@@vn9574 as debunkable as bleah universal statements

[@TahmidA150]

He did not use it he made a point that would high ball him to universal which isnt correct do you guys even listen

[@itsmealex3425]

Garlic Jr vs the whole JJK? or maybe dragon ball roshi vs YYH? ( you could go DBS roshi but it would be overkill just like here )

[@fosyay1780]

Bro I've been commenting that he should do YYH vs Jackie Chun. I'm glad he liked your comment, hopefully we get it!

[@itsmealex3425]

@@fosyay1780 Haha fingers crossed, maybe he liked it for the JJK suggestion lol

[@cheezy4902]

I was just about to ask for Roshi vs YuYu, it seems perfect and a little closer than the other three

[@fosyay1780]

I also like Demon King Piccolo vs YYH. Yuske's dad vs him would be fire

[@theangrynerd101]

Bulma's car slams jjk I'm afraid

[@nani4249]

You do forget that goku a saiyan can still die by viruss, diseases and poisons so its entirely possible tien could get poisoned and without any resistances to it still its not a hax from a character he can over power he could just be slowly dying from aids as the fight drags on, with aizen using illusions to make them survive up till he collapses and then the fight would end with don kanoniji as the sole survivor

[@alexosaurus9025]

Tien would blitz them before they would even get the chance to hax.

[@worldbosspf1]

And he can't kill Yhwach as Yhwach can even rewrite futures in where he died. Ichibei can take all his powers away and is immortal.

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@alexosaurus9025tien doesn't have the speed to blitz anyone

[@bensonemmanuel5101]

That heart virus wasn't a normal one, since it's been outright stated in an interview with Toriyama that the extinction bomb doesn't work on Saiyans or Frieza.

[@zackary4063]

@@SosukeTYBW did u watch the vid or hell the show at all lmao tien is millions of times faster then anyone in bleach

[@trueblue1893]

You VERY HEAVILY downplayed bleach’s speed feats by not showing any of the current feats and only referenced soul society ichigo, who is a lot slower than the current Ichigo in TybW. You then say that Tien would instantly take characters out with an overwhelming speed diff despite the fact that the speed diff isn’t even that big to begin with. Tien hasn’t showed speed scaling and you used a lot of speculation to highball Tien to being as fast as you say since you are assuming speed = AP, which it clearly doesn’t, even in dragon ball. Lastly, you didn’t show ANY understanding of how Bleach’s hax work, and didn’t bother to give them a passing glance. Offensive hax I understand being unaffected due to the strength difference, but Aizen’s hypnosis condition is for you to simply LOOK at his sword release and you are completely caught by it, and with current Aizen all you have to do is look at HIM, since he has fused with his zanpakuto. Things like this, Kisuke’s ability to resurrect others, and other supportive and disruptive abilities can be used to overcome Tien. I understand you not knowing everything about bleach, but you downplayed them by a lot, and highballed Tien with interpretation. I’m fine with Bleach losing, but at least make it a fair argument and not biased.

[@xeratovildan9871]

He didn't "lowball" anything, no bleach character has an infinite speed feat that's consistent. Meanwhile tien outscales a goku who has combat speed equal to instant transmission. Pair that with no bleach character scaling TO, let alone PAST uni without a Mega highball that's inconsistent, meanwhile lowballed dbs tien scales to high uni to low multi consistently? It doesn't matter. Even if we gave bleach speed, no amount of hax they have work, and they lack AP. Aizen himself proves, and outright showcases hax do not work on a vastly stronger opponent. Tien is thousands upon thousands of times stronger than a highballed bleach character.

[@trueblue1893]

@@xeratovildan9871 consistently? where is the consistency? his feat from beating a sniper makes him universal? yeah ok. Aizen's OWN HAX were able to affect someone stronger than him, that being Yhwach with the soul king absorbed. Like i said earlier, OFFENSIVE hax are the ones that would be ineffective, and you should believe in VISUAL FEATS instead of INTERPRETATION. Pay attention to the key difference. He also got how the hax work straight up wrong, since he said you need to be aware and perceive someone, despite the fact that Yhwach literally used his abilities WHILE DEAD. I really don't care if Bleach loses, but to get so much of the Bleach portion wrong is what makes me mad. Like i said, he just needs to get the facts straight.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

Yeah i dont even like bleach and i can SMELL the very clear bias here. Its anger inducing that hes pretending this isnt obvious, hes so damn biased its crazy.

[@itsreihart9865]

@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 the only one here is on the angry as you. Ichigo best feat is mountain level

[@megav1022]

The dick munching on tien in this video was insane. Aizen is putting tien in a coffin without even trying be so fucking fr rn

[@polnareffu2140]

When im in a glazing competion and my opponent is a dragonball fan:

[@Funwolf47]

Crickets

[@jammerjay22]

get an argument bro, he's simply just stating facts and explained everything well

[@sonicknuxgames5776]

Bro has no argument 🫵😹

[@mdsahankhan5166]

Crying huh?

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@jammerjay22 there wasn't a single fact in this entire video

[@rufy2y]

I have to disagree, Tien is not able to kill neither Yhwach nor Gerard or Aizen, the difference in power does not in fact makes their immortality simply go poof, so even if Tien was as you say infinitely stronger, that would not kill them, a clear proof of this, is Aizen surviving mugetsu, while launching said attack Ichigo was on a whole different realm of power above Aizen, so much so that Aizen could not even feel or perceive that power even when it was right before him, similar to what happened when goku became super sayian god, and his ki could not be felt, did that immense difference in power result in Aizen's death? No. So Tien can't kill the 3 of them, now it possible as you say that because of Tien immense strenght no one can harm him, tough i would greatly find this faulty, why? Well even characters on the level of goku have been shown to be affected by heat, making it a sure way to harm Tien that is in fact immensly weaker than Goku or Vegeta, Yama for example would be lethal, but even without taking him in consideration, let's consider Gerard, Tien attacks him destoys him, and he returns stronger and stronger, so inevitably Gerard surpasses Tien and wins. Now let's say that indeed Tien can't be damaged, but as i stated before at the same time, can't kill the immortal ones, that still disproves the statemant that he solos, being locked in a stalemate, is not by any definition, winning. Final point about Ywach the man can literally change events as he pleases, he could quite literally with time make so that Tien goes out of gas so to say, at that poi just throw his ass in the sun and all is good.

[@sStill348]

Tien could always use the evil containment wave to seal the characters that he can't kill

[@Kingfatmac]

Does he even have access to that?​@@sStill348

[@DADRB0B55]

@elijahshanklin2k10 Yes even a dummy like Goku learned it in super, all he needs in a seal written in Kanji so the opponent doesn’t break out the rice cooker, jar or whatever inanimate object you put it on

[@bountifulheart4863]

@@DADRB0B55 why are you saying it like because goku learned it anyone could? goku learned the kamehameha just by seeing it once

[@youaintvalidd7379]

Goku and vegeta have literally fought while inside lava😭😭

[@154Mamba]

Bro bouncing on Tien this entire vid 😭

[@SosukeTYBW]

Doing tricks on it lol

[@trueblue1893]

From base to tip

[@GalaxyTheGalaxyGoat]

watch him stack donuts on it

[@cereal9879]

Ur just mad he isn't one of those idiots saying Bleach is universal lvl😭🙏

[@michaelespinoza2150]

@@cereal9879even if it isn’t this is still glaze to the highest tier possible

[@Distress92]

This guy logic:Hmm let's highball Tien to Multiversal because he got his ass beat during the top but didn't die Hmm let's lowball the bleach verse to planetary aswell and ignore the haxs

[@jammerjay22]

he didn't ignore the hax though, he just explained how tien at minimum strongarms his way through all the hax. highball bleach all you want but db powerscaling is always gonna be more broken

[@2P01ix0tr]

​@@jammerjay22that doesn't apply to every character in db

[@millasboo]

@@jammerjay22that’s not how hax works in bleach and we know directly their hax is uni to multi with the high tiers

[@mdsahankhan5166]

Crying lol

[@wholesomecup102]

@@jammerjay22 I like that by his verse equalization logic that Tien is like a soul reaper and can negate hax because Ki=reshi, every single character cable of gathering spiritual energy (aka quincies) can spam spirit bombs non stop…. Just a thought

[@dragonslight4531]

1:55 Do I have to mention that Yamamoto releasing his bankai at full power almost destroyed the soul society which is by long shot more impressive than a planet busting attack, most characters in the show already higher feats

[@KidGoku-g4v]

i mean at best they arent upassing universal tho. tien in DBS would casually be into multiversal ranges

[@Chillchildren999]

⁠@@KidGoku-g4v Yhwach can be scaled to Multiversal+/6D

[@KidGoku-g4v]

@@Chillchildren999 thats waeker than buu saga tbh. i can scale buu saga to 7D coz of buuhan feat. DBS tien far surpasses that.

[@NahsaniMack]

Tiens sidekick does that with ease

[@jirenthegray5776]

All Yamamoto bankai did was dry up some water in a vase. Bleach is all hype, no show 😂

[@Reuraku]

You seem to be doing your best to high ball Tien and low ball Bleach. You literally pointed out an inconstancy in his power and just rolled with it going 'deal with it' using that as the bench mark, did you ever thing Vegeta and Goku didn't feel like tanking random attacks of unverified power? The fact that someone dodges doesn't mean it's life threatening or even threatening so that's a straight up false equivalency. Saying that "they only show the soul society and Earth" I wonder why they were only showing places that have people to react maybe they should have shown Jupiter with no one there. You also decided another video of nothing but brute force works because strong. Something that showed clear bias was you find and article that says kamehameha might be planet level and take it at full value but a clear statement about light attacks in Bleach and don't believe it. The closest thing Tien has to a real feat is keeping semi perfect Cell in place which didn't do much to hurt Cell and almost killed Tien, after that the only one you mentioned was some random guy of unknown power form another universe, but hey no one wanted to take an attack of unknown power so that must make it unimaginably strong right?

[@itsreihart9865]

Ichigo closest thing to a real feat is destroying a mountain.

[@Infinite8blue]

Bro have Tien universal scaling

[@bountifulheart4863]

yea i used to like watching his videos but this was awful i get the feeling he did this to please his fans but still i don't like it it feels very disingenuous to me

[@bountifulheart4863]

@@itsreihart9865 he held up the weight of the entire multiverse and he scales above characters that can casually shake the entire multiverse while holding back what else do you want? it's not like they'd just destroy the entire multiverse even though they can they have absolutely no reason to do that and frankly it'd ruin the story

[@youaintvalidd7379]

@@bountifulheart4863what did he get wrong exactly?

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

Yeah there’s still a few things you never mentioned for the bleach side, not saying it would absolutely change the outcome but it would still be better to talk about them. Every one of the valley of screams, these are the small dimensions outside of the realms and scattered throughout the dangai and garganta. Each one of the valley of screams are said to contain natural light making them star-solar. You can use the first movies scaling simply due to the fact that it’s mentioned in the manga by Ichigo and if it was a parallel timeline we wouldn’t have that in the manga. Other movies aren’t cannon though. Using the movie you can even get early bleach characters to star level simply due to Senna’s feat calced at star lvl. If you don’t think it’s cannon it still doesn’t change much. Muken- the annoying part of the series is that people are confused due to databook mistranslations and or viz mistranslating the manga. As what is used in the kanji and what the novels and anime say is that Muken is infinite in size. This is important for something else. The dangai- stated to be a hyperspace in both the French and Japanese translation making this at a minimum 4d. The realms all have their own astrology as we clearly see Ichigo reading an astrology book and at that time he nor has any other human from WOTL been to the SS. Each realm is separated from each other making them more than likely their own universes. Lastly the Garganta- this is the void that surrounds all of the cosmology and it is not outer space. For some reason people downplay this to outer space which is just factually incorrect. In the manga Kubo draws the map of the cosmology and no celestial bodies are shown to be in the void of the Garganta. Only the VOS and the 3 realms + the dangai. The Garganta is stated to be infinite as well in the CFYOW novels by Aura one of the strongest and most intelligent fullbringers. Since it encompasses the entire cosmology including 3 universes and a 4d construct this would make the Garganta 5d at a minimum and likely infinite 5d. We already know bleach has infinite timelines stated several times and shown in the novels with Hikone’s statement of infinite paths of the future. Yhwach’s almighty is able to destroy all Bankai across these infinite futures including the ones likely in muken like Azashiro’s. Muken is completely shut off from the SS meaning Yhwach can affect things way outside of his sphere of influence, making the almighty a multi-multi+ hax. And for the last bit Yhwach was stating he would destroy all of this, whether or not from environmental destruction he would still scale to it just through environmental destruction. He stated he was going to destroy the dangai, muken, and the other realms and Ganju says he would destroy the Garganta if they didn’t stop him. We can confirm this since in the SAFWY novels Kenny and Cien were creating holes in the void of the Garganta in their fight. Yhwach would scale below the soul king and Ichigo would scale to Yhwach since he literally kills him twice and is the only person to damage Yhwach in that fight. Soul king created everything as the Garganta, muken, and dangai + VOS never existed until after the soul king created the cosmology and became the linchpin. Speed is ehh you can argue mftl or higher but I don’t really care about the speed.

[@veryangryboi4128]

I'm glad Lonk highballed Tien since this is how Bleach fans typically scale the verse lol The almighty allows Yhwach to see into the future and choose which timeline has him winning. He doesn't destroy every Bankai in every timeline, seeing into alt futures and choosing a timeline doesn't scale him anywhere. He never was stated to destroy muken and him destroying the Garganta is debatable.

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

@@veryangryboi4128 bruh did you just not even read the manga? This is exactly why they had to use Tsukishima’s book of the end ability to create an entirely new timeline that never existed. Also the Almighty lets him alter fate not just hop between them. There is once again a panel where he is telling Ichigo that the boundary between worlds would be destroyed and that can only include things like the Dangai and Garganta. He purposely left this shit out because it would massively upscale where he left the god tiers of bleach. He wanked tf outta Tien.

[@veryangryboi4128]

​@@FlavoredFrenchToast It's been a while since I've read Bleach but didn't Tsukishima and Ginjo only gave Ichigo energy? My point still stands, Yhwach doesn't effect all those timelines. He only alters/chooses the future(or fate, it's really the same) Yhwach threating to destroy the Garganta is an outlier feat. I agree Lonk highballed Tien, he basically scale Tien like how Bleach fans scale Bleach 😂

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

@@veryangryboi4128 No he didn’t give Ichigo energy, he created a past where Yhwach never destroyed his Bankai. Yhwach does shit in the future and tsukishima does shit in the past with book of the end. Also him destroying the garganta isn’t an outlier it was literally going to have to happen in order for the realms to collapse on each other. I agree that bleach can get highballed a lot, but low multi is relatively decent for the top tiers. Him arguing that tien is equal to SSB or even SSG is what’s not sitting right with me, everyone knows he’s getting destroyed by Goku. ngl though I seriously wish we got to see more of SSG before he absorbed it into base, it’s one of my favorite forms of Goku.

[@veryangryboi4128]

@@FlavoredFrenchToast I thought Tsukishima could only mess with people's memories? But that would explain how Ichigo got his bankai back. Low multi Bleach is the most reasonable imo. The series going from barely planetary to multi(without much feats) is probably more stupid than any of dbs's power creep. I also didn't like how Lonk scaled Tien, Tien at best could scale to Base Goku(highballing) but he isn't SSJB or even SSJ level. SSJ God should've been the top form until UI showed up honestly

[@thatonguy2407]

One thing about Bleach is that the CFYOW novels confirm that the realms themselves are universal in size, and that the Soul King not only holds the 3 realms in place, but also is the one who split them from 1 to 3 to begin with. Basically, the novels take Bleach characters well into the Universal tiers of power, and given how Uryu ran fast enough to leave his shadow behind in the Soul Society arc, it's clear that they're vastly faster than light. Tien is still likely blitz levels above them, but they're far faster than just FTL. There are also characters as early as the Arrancar arc with statements that would put them into the star ranges of power. Tien pre-Super can't really handle the top tier Bleach characters, as they should be above him in AP and durability by a good margin, and his speed gap wouldn't get him the win, as they have orders of magnitude more stamina. Bleach characters are shown able to train and fight for days at a time, DB characters can't exert themselves full tilt for more than a few hours. He should still ourscale pretty hard in Super, but he also lacks any way to handle the immortals of Bleach, as the Mafuba hasn't been shown to prevent interdimensional travel, which is just a standard ability in Bleach. Lille's attacks should also be able to kill him, as it's instantaneous spatial erasure, so if Tien ever stops moving too fast for Lille to perceive, he gets tagged Another issue Tien runs into is the downright terrible temperature-related feats in DB. Blue Vegeta was getting overheated by being too close to lava, and throwing enemies into the sun was killing them even in the Buu Saga. So Tien likely can't touch Yama if he uses Bankai, and Rukia is in a similar boat, as 0K is an insane temperature that far outstrips the arctic, which Super Broly-era Goku and Vegeta wanted coats for. Ki's hax negation also doesn't work like Reiatsu's, it less turns off the ability, and more weakens the effect. Vegito didn't just ignore the candy beam, and Goku didn't just turn off Time Skip. For most abilities, it doesn't matter, but for some, it's a very important distinction. If Barragan uses his resurreccion, Tien can't touch him, as Barragan's Respira could age a relatively young Soul Reaper into dust in seconds, and Soul Reapers live for thousands of years. Tien has a human lifespan, and, while Ki would reduce the effects, it wouldn't make it the roughly 31 BILLION times weaker it would need to for the aging rate to be ignorable. Tien does very well, but I think that the stats and insane hax of the Bleach verse leave him unable to really win, and he tuckers out eventually, and loses.

[@pooferfish1227]

"Blue Vegeta was getting overheated by being too close to lava" "as 0K is an insane temperature that far outstrips the arctic, which Super Broly-era Goku and Vegeta wanted coats for." How was broly and ssjb goku fighting inside lava as if it was water?????? rewatch broly movie they were litteraly figting inside lava and your tryna say temperature related bs.

[@l1t00sav5]

​@@pooferfish1227I'm pretty sure he meant vegeta against the lava guy during the universe 6 vs universe 7 mini arc thing with that robot

[@mitchellphillips9166]

@@pooferfish1227i just rewatched the fight at no point were they in “lava like it was lava” just around it(in the air).

[@berickslime6718]

Also bleach characters go beyond physical damage into conceptual damage. It's not about how much they can destroy, it's about how much they can change a "persons" ability to operate in any existence. Sealing fates, freezing concepts, changing futures. Hell orihime alone has the ability to manipulate how any phenomenon applies to an individual.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@berickslime6718 lonks brain so small he thinks fights start and end with who can blow up more stuff

[@quacker2212]

“Ichigo’s bankai only increases his speed” what is blud on about? It’s literally stated it makes him stronger.

[@lonkstakes]

Read the words that are on the screen🙏

[@Undesirablesenseofself]

​@@lonkstakes your video is ass read bleach

[@GodlyVicious]

​@@lonkstakesMy guy did you read bleach??

[@lonkstakes]

@@GodlyVicious have you read the words on the screen

[@GOAT-ganyu]

​@@lonkstakes it is states that Bankai is 10x boost and Tien can not scale to Ultimate Gohan by no means, bc it's like saiyng that Krillin scales to ssb Goku, bc he holds back, in manga Roshi scales to Jiren bc he dodged him

[@jocoolshow]

Bleach characters range from like Low Multi to Low Complex Multi depending on how you interpret the size of the cosmology, you’d need the top tiers of DBS to deal with them, Tien is getting cooked On top of the fact that Dragon Ball characters don’t have any particularly notable resistances to Soul Hax which everyone and their mothers have in Bleach

[@joaquinchua3348]

I agree with this actually, ain't no way tien is even universal just cuz his clone was able to take a hit from some random sniper guy, we literally don't know anything about that guy's power, he might just have some genetic hack abilities that enhances his piercing capabilities. We don't even know, but saying that guy is multiversal is beyond a reach.

[@Mope333]

😂 Man this how I feel about when they say Saitama loses to DB characters (etc)… People leave out things that’s canon

[@nani4249]

@@jocoolshow I'd say tien can react to people above super buu level and in dragon ball stats are relative to power level, meaning you can react to it your at least on league to it, however bulma was able to watch the tournament of power so don't know if that's a plot hole or not

[@gabrielp9665]

​@@nani4249 Bulma has never witnessed the Tournament of Power Where did you get this from?

[@nani4249]

@gabrielp9665 she was literally commenting on the fight at the stands (anime) no clue if the manga did

[@FlyKami_]

Mr Satan vs HxH or One Punch Man seems like a fun video. I think he can easily be S Ranked or a starred hunter

[@uboa8060]

Shouldn't Mr Satan get bodied in both verses? The man is not that strong

[@FlyKami_]

@@uboa8060 Remember even tho he is a meme character he is the strongest human outside of the Z Fighters. He can even use the afterimage technique. Watch the episode when Buu’s Dog got shot.

[@fosyay1780]

​@uboa8060 hercule satan survived getting hit by perfect cell, I think he can tank star platinum

[@Prrojiya17]

​@@FlyKami_ he could barely even destroy some bricks lmao

[@Neuvillete4.6]

@@uboa8060 he would be A to S in opm

[@dudemcguy4277]

What did you smoke before you made this vid?

[@gamingthisera6339]

Bleach fans

[@KidGoku-g4v]

@@gamingthisera6339 HAHAHA

[@dudemcguy4277]

@@gamingthisera6339 that's gay

[@justazarcwithmustache]

Cracks

[@Jsipki265]

The cyclops baldy is clapping Ywatch. His third eye will see through everything 👁️.

[@lonkstakes]

Yhwach has a bunch of inefficient eyes while Tien has the optimal number of 3 fr

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@lonkstakes Tien also has the power of being in one of the most broken anime verses, in which Raw Power dominates Hax, and scaling wise bro should take it with ease

[@305thief8]

He’s really not lmao

[@Jsipki265]

@@305thief8 he is😖

[@Kdenq3]

​@@305thief8he really is lmao

[@BlastCoolBlastKonGaming]

He literally just called Tien multiversal lol that joke was beyond me

[@KidGoku-g4v]

learn the basic scaling and difference between AP and DC and maybe next time you wont be so shocked. hes right tien is having High-complex Multiversal scalings for his AP

[@BlastCoolBlastKonGaming]

@@KidGoku-g4v No he's not lol bro hasn't even shown feats that next to solar system if Goku couldn't even shake a universe on his own what makes you think a useless character like Tien in multiversal💀he at best is galaxy and you clearly don't know anything about DBZ or power scaling

[@MrMoments2rejoice]

​​@@KidGoku-g4v 2-B Requires Destroying 1001 to any finte number of space-time continuums, tell me when tien even performed such a feat? The amount of Dragon ball tards that cry about Statements for other verses but have the audacity to use statements themselves is beyond me, the hypocrisy is astounding.

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@BlastCoolBlastKonGaming even galaxy is a extreme stretch, I don't see how anyone gets them pass planetary and only reason they even get that courtesy is being stronger than early saiyans who have done or implied to have planetary power but ain't nobody did nothing star level or above other than super perfect cell and buu

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@@MrMoments2rejoicethere's dudes in the comments saying bleach caps at galaxy level despite all the feats that go far beyond that like senjumaru

[@ashanime5655]

Squad 0 shaking the entirety of the realms ( the heavens and earth) Ichigo taking the weight of the universe Gremmy making outer space Planetary bleach is just cope at this point

[@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768]

He did not make a new space it was a portal

[@ashanime5655]

@@gogetomasterultrainstinct5768 tell me where it is implied that he made a portal He never said it The anime ( a narrator) never said it And in CFYOW when shunsui talked about the brain he said gremmy could create outer space instantaneously So where do you people get the Room with star wallpaper and portal argument from?

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

Ichigo never took the weight of the universe and nothing you said is beyond planetary.

[@VENG-k1d]

​@MrLoops-dq9xt so shaking realms are not planetary?

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@VENG-k1d No

[@berickslime6718]

This premise is so absurd, it's hard to make it through this video. Its hard to even form a rebuttal because its so stupid. But my algorithm thought decided to present it to me.

[@YesButActuallyNo880]

ong, bro really said tien is universal and can enter multiversal smh, he ain't namek saga final form frieza level

[@quifilixhaufwoop5189]

You can disagree with multi or uni but he is definetely far above namek saga frieza for sure​@@YesButActuallyNo880

[@itsreihart9865]

@YesButActuallyNo880 Neither is anyone from bleach.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@itsreihart9865 yea they're above it, like aizen, yhwach, Yamamoto and ichigo

[@bensonemmanuel5101]

​@@SosukeTYBWSource: Trust me bro

[@kayyelen]

ur one of the only ppl who ive seen remembered tien did those top feats at 25% power which means saying hes multiversal (with the neo tri beam) isnt even that crazy

[@HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA]

One of the worst power scaling videos I’ve ever seen and I haven’t even watched bleached 😭😭

[@SosukeTYBW]

He must be speed running making the worst power scaling videos on KZbin

[@kamamara2567]

He ducked a debate with a bleach scaler 😭

[@patron6332]

LMAOO you do not know HOW MUCH he downplayed bleach to say tien stands a chance.

[@justazarcwithmustache]

Bleach have like low physical stats(lower than dbz/dbs) but mostly higher hax

[@patron6332]

@@justazarcwithmustache their stats are lower than dbs but they’re still around the same level. Both are 5d, db just has better stats while bleach has the better hax. So bleach >> db

[@NerdGohan]

I've glazed both animes before, and I love both animes. However.. Yhwach can solo Dragon Ball. I'm editing in a reply in my comment into this comment. Here are his abilities. "Reishi Manipulation" (he can manipulate and condense reishi to make weapons or to shield himself.) "Absorption" (he can absorb reishi or other people's POWERS, and in absorbing reishi, he constantly evolves, gets stronger, regenerates wounds, learns, and can even manipulate people's bodies.) "Rnergy Manipulation" (he can make himself as strong as he needs to be, or as tough as he needs to be) "Transmutation" (allows him to absorb whoever the fuck he wants. after Absorbing god, he attempted to collapse and destroy every timeline in existence but Ichigo stopped him.) "Power bestowal" (he can give people powers. such as, The Visionary which is where anything you imagine comes true. if you imagine someone dead, they are dead. and that's only a piece of his power.) "Precognition" (he can see any possible future or outcome so he can change the course of events.) "Soul absorption" (he can absorb your soul. he can one shot anything with a soul by technicality.) "FUTURE ALTERATION" (he can change the future to what he wants.) "Almighty" (basically he's untouchable) "Immeasurable spiritual pressure" (his existance can crush souls) "Blut Vene" (enhances his defense unimaginably or his offense. can only use one at a time, and he is capable of creation a force field with it.) "Enhanced Endurance" (Everytime he gives away a piece of his soul, when the person with that piece dies, that piece comes back to him and it makes him even stronger than he was before.) "Heilig Pfeil" (basically he absorbs reishi from the environment to enhance his strength and durability to fuck levels of magnitude) "Portal Creation" (he can go wherever he wants lol) "Empathetic Manipulation" (makes people question their existance) "Manipulation" (He can alter anything he wants. ANYTHING. he can even alter futures he dies in.) tell me, can anybody in Dragonball do this without limits like Yhwach?

[@Kenos347]

I read dragonball waaaay before bleach and love it to this day but to claim Tien solos the elite sternritters alongside Yhwach is laughable

[@chhanteatuallawt7137]

But the gods in bleach are way weakwr tho

[@barnabastoma1075]

​@@chhanteatuallawt7137in AP,but in ability,it isn't

[@NerdGohan]

@@Kenos347 yeah, that's an insane claim. I don't think there's anyone in dragon ball other than Zeno that can actually beat Yhwach lol

[@nani4249]

@@NerdGohan I'd say goku can if he knows the guys abilities, you cam over power any hax given 1st you know their abilities, and 2nd your massively powerful so goku could if he takes the fight seriously at the beginning

[@brotakuthetaco1487]

You already brought it up so now i got to know. Does yajirobe body like everyone else?

[@bhoppin-Bdon]

I can't believe you just scaled Tien to Universal, LOL. I don't have any disagreements, but WOW, that was funny to even hear, haha, great vid!

[@AjayMachhi-uu5ry]

If a Saiyan with 10000 power level shakes his hand then he can make the multi-solar system level Feat 🥲🙏 FrieZa Second Form Also Universel+ Lev in his Own Verse - And How big is Universe 7 (Infinite - boundless Galaxies Exist in DB Single U7) Tien Power Lev - 6 Billion 👹 Without power scaling Tien is Also Multiversel Lev ☝️🤓

[@Kenos347]

This guy deadass said Tien solos bleach 💀💀💀 Alongside all the quinces Schrifts,all the squad 0 members with Ichibei's ichimonji,Aizen with the Hogyoku,Ichigo with fate manipulation,PRIME SOUL KING

[@nani4249]

@Kenos347 don't forget tien stamina is a pretty unknown factor even if his ap is higher than anyone's in the verse he'd have no idea to the hax and abilities plus he is a dragon ball character so he'd just scale himself down to test the speed and strength of the characters. Tien I'd say is above everyone in the verse in combat speed plus AP but that's not enough when hes getting jumped to the degree that wil happen to him. Tien also has no experience with the poisons that are used in bleach neither the sheer amount of hax they have and he hasn't experienced getting jumped quite like this expect when fighting the frieza force who were literally 1% of his strength yet he was struggling to take them out having to use a tri beam

[@SosukeTYBW]

He's literally stupid, says krillin can beat one piece but wouldn't even beat buggy in all honesty lol, says yamcha can solo Naruto but has no counter to genjutsu and now says tien can solo bleach when aizen, yhwach and Yamamoto exist

[@Kenos347]

@@SosukeTYBW yeah the videos are realy bad they downplay the verses a lot

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@Kenos347 dragonball fans don't understand other verses don't abide by the same rules as their verse, in their verse big power might get out of hax sometimes but in other verses you need other ways to counter certain hax abilities not just being more powerful than the user

[@georgekatkus5162]

​@@SosukeTYBWexcept in Bleach, we literally see that big number just overpowers hax And in DB, even when Hax works, if the character is stronger, they just find a way anyways. Buu turned people into candy, and they couldn't do a thing, or even perceive. But Vegito got turned into candy, and just kept fighting as a candy. The hax worked, Vegito just didn't care.b And Goku fighting hit didn't stop Hit's time stop, he predicted Hit's attacks before the time stop itself. Martial artists can do similar things based on muscle spasms. Even Guldo, who can also stop time, is very easily beaten because Krillin and Gohan just rushed him. Even when hax work, DBZ characters just very quickly find ways out. Aizen outpowers hax a few times, so does Ichigo a few times. And YHWACH loses because he couldn't forsee all futures. Dude has some impressive hax, but even against his own verse, it's very limited. As was the Hogyoku. And then immortality doesn't mean a thing to DBZ characters, Buu had to be destroyed on an atomic level, and Goku does that in Z. Super Tien is leagues above that in power. Just destroy the very atoms of a person with true immortality, you're good. Even the poisons, it's unlikely Tien would be that affected by them, since part of the Crane School training (which only Tien and Crane Hermit themselves completed) had them trained to withstand poisons used by Mercanary Tao (dude had poisons mankind had never seen, he just doesn't need them often) Aizen's ability to control what others see and control their 5 senses wouldn't work either, because Tien has spirit sense, arguably he's mastered it to a level Goku hasn't in how keen it is. That's not a sense one can instantly learn, it takes years, and that was for Goku who did the Kamehameha in his first try, which takes 40 years to do one. In short, DBZ/S characters simply have dealt with everything Bleach has done before. And the last hax, the hax that makes people fight against each other, wouldn't matter, since Tien is against the entire Bleach Verse, he has no allies to attack.

[@boogymanjinzo6008]

If you somehow manage to convince yourself Yajirobe beats Jojo's, ill honestly be impressed. You can get away with downplaying Bleach here if you outright just ignore alot, but to even scale JoJos you need to understand what the abilities even do. With that being said, Yajirobe literally has nothing in his arsenal to get around the hax of Jojos.

[@SosukeTYBW]

He don't even understand how abilities in naruto or bleach work so he definitely wouldn't know shit about Jojo

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

Yajirobe unironically speed blitzes the verse and no diffs it

[@perfection20]

Y'all just don't know how busted db scaling can get, yall just see characters like krillin, tien and yamcha lose fights easily and automatically come to the conclusion they can't beat any character in fiction besides fodder characters. Tien genuinely slaps up ichigo and Naruto plus luffy and we can run the topic if you want

[@SosukeTYBW]

@perfection20 you literally just yapping then claim they can beat Naruto, ichigo and luffy lol you have to prove these things, it's fine if you think dB cosmology is above these other verses but only high tier characters scale to the highest shown feats in the series which isn't any of the humans z fighters, but let's run it tho, tell me how any of them can beat Naruto, ichigo or luffy with feats to prove it

[@perfection20]

@@SosukeTYBW bruh your acting like you were actually providing evidence to support what you were saying, you were just making baseless claims and if your down to debate with me on Tien being stronger then ichigo or Naruto and Luffy just drop your disc user so we can run the topic over there since dis is a more fitting place for theses types of debates

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

Bro fr ignored half the cosmology that Yhwach was going to destroy and the soul king created. Soul king is separated from life and death, he can’t even be harmed by Tien

[@cereal9879]

Cosmology this ratio

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

@@cereal9879 lol

[@thecollectorchildsoloyourf4150]

Featless fodder Soul king wall level gets killed by exshauted Ichigo

[@FlavoredFrenchToast]

@@thecollectorchildsoloyourf4150 lol

[@xeratovildan9871]

Yhwach isn't a uni buster, he was merely making the universe unbalanced which would cause it to be destroyed. By this mentally insane logic, every single quincy from the beginning of the series is universal because they threatened the universe's balance. Yhwach was never stated to use AP to directly destroy the universe, get over it, the big 3's weak.

[@7Vile7]

This video is really bad man and your bias is extremely evident. The fact that you considered Tiens feats at face value and attempted to scale him to blue Goku/multi universal YET down playing bleach’s literal statements and showings because of your own interpretation is extremely arrogant. Your perspective besides being biased also just seems like you either only looked up bleach for this video or you don’t like the series enough to give it- its credit.

[@Mope333]

True, like aren’t some guys Uni? 💀 Tien is just Star level+

[@RanMaru144]

@@Mope333u think tien is only first form namek frieza level?

[@Distress92]

​@@RanMaru144you think Tien is Multiversal?💀

[@7Vile7]

@@RanMaru144 Doesn’t matter what scale you think tien is at, honestly you could believe bleach scales to city level. The problem is that he scaled both wrong in this video.

[@SosukeTYBW]

It's pretty evident he probably never once watched bleach and only did surface level research just for the video

[@blazingocean4206]

Senjumaru makes Tien into a carpet.

[@DADRB0B55]

Rice cooker vitcim

[@hitkid2456]

@@DADRB0B55 It was only a fake! Besides Dankuu will in all likelihood stop it.

[@OmniDan26]

that fodder is light work for chiaotzu

[@XxSpirothKurotamaMOONLIGHTxX]

unfortunately she would.

[@MagicianSama]

Yikes the lowball is disgraceful. Let’s get Gilgamesh vs Dragon Ball next.

[@elilife4865]

Gilgamesh gets washed

[@MagicianSama]

@@elilife4865 he really doesn’t gill could wash canon db while flexing his riches to Saber.

[@elilife4865]

@@MagicianSama he doesn’t even make it to the angels

[@MagicianSama]

@@elilife4865 I know he makes it beyond them because he would wash the verse harder than Goku washed Frieza on Namek.

[@bensonemmanuel5101]

​@@MagicianSamaLMAO. Wake everybody up when Gilgamesh destroys even a single planet, cuz it's stated by Da Vinci that no servant has a noble phantasm capable of destroying the earth.

[@knyk1]

bro just high balled tien the whole video then lowballed everybody in bleach 😭some characters can literally scale to low multi+

[@Stargold-w9m]

My guy. name one character in bleach that can blow up a planet with the wave of his hand. Now name another character that can SURVIVE an attack that can blow up multiple planets

[@knyk1]

@@Stargold-w9m literally anyone with captain level strength

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@Stargold-w9m name 1 planetary feat from tien

[@DADRB0B55]

@knyk1 They highballed bleach as well, the best feat is hill level.

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@@DADRB0B55can you name a single planetary tien feat?

[@TimelessMoon]

Even as a DBZ fanboy this vid is peak braindamage 💀

[@gamedejoao1236]

This is called power scaling between verses. Happens pretty frequently

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@gamedejoao1236this is called highball my verse while lowballing hour verse plus ignoring any and all hax

[@georgekatkus5162]

​@@SosukeTYBW dude addressed most of the hax abilities, as well as showed they just don't work against stronger opponents. He used the Bleach to destroy the Bleach. It's not that difficult

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@georgekatkus5162 lol no he didn't and I watched the entire video, what does tien have against someone like gremmy who can just toss him into space, it's confirmed in CFYOW that this is REAL space, what tien gonna do? What tien gonna do against mayuri who can just poison him?

[@trueblue1893]

@@georgekatkus5162 he didn’t do enough research to figure out that the rule only applies to OFFENSIVE hax, since even tho he quoted Aizen on how hax work, he failed to look at the feat of AZIEN HIMSELF USING HAX ON A STRONGER OPPONENT. He literally used his hypnosis on Yhwach with the soul king absorbed. Lonk just simply didn’t do enough research on bleach in time for his video, and lowballed the character’s capabilities as a result.

[@elijahjones7504]

Bro's is like bleach is inconsistent, yet used inconsistent calcs to somehow get tien passed uni. Even if you like this KZbinr, you should know this is dumb as heck.

[@SosukeTYBW]

Literally did this same tactic to say krillin beats one piece and yamcha beats Naruto when both would get washed badly

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

The thing is throughout the series these guys do her stronger like that. Especially in super where each one of the guys is universal+ to multi universal level

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@whereisyourmotivation7 literally no they aren't can yall stop saying that lol they can't even survive a planetary explosion

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

@@SosukeTYBW planetary explosion when caught off-guarded. Yhwach literally died to a massively weakened ichigo when he didn't have his powers. Same for dragon ball characters, when their guard is down they are simply normal people

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

@@SosukeTYBW and even that planetary explosion was potentially stronger than regular ones because of frieza's attack power

[@305thief8]

6:59 this is wrong it’s later retconned and debunked that you need spiritual powers to fight against spiritual beings when Urahara was fighting Ichigo otherwise it has no affect and I believe Chad had somewhat spiritual awareness even at that point of time something to do with the Hogoyoku I believe it was growing his powers

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@305thief8 A telephone pole doesn't have spiritual awareness.

[@305thief8]

@@MrLoops-dq9xt reread my comment all that gets retconned by Urahara vs Ichigo Ichigo’s blade had no reiastu in it and Kisuke said a blade with no spirit energy can harm him. So that feat by Chad is an outlier.

[@305thief8]

@@MrLoops-dq9xt plus it’s possible Chad unconsciously was able to insert his spirit energy in the pole he’s a full ringer anyways and can manipulate the soul of things. It’s pretty clear that Chad had some spiritual awareness since he was able to sense and push these spiritual beings back with his bare attacks.

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@305thief8 If a blade with no spiritual energy can harm him then that only proves my point. And no that's not possible. As not only does he not know how to do that (so there's no reason he could do it unconsciously) but he didn't even have spiritual energy at the time. Not only that but when has a character even put spiritual energy in a physical object? And it's clear that he didn't have spiritual awareness as he couldn't even remotely see the hollow, he had to guess where it was and get instructions from Rukia. And touching it isn't impressive because anyone can do that.

[@305thief8]

@@MrLoops-dq9xt I said a blade with no spirit energy can’t harm him. If I’m not wrong the fullbringers were able to subconsciously use their abilities hence how they awakened? Maybe have to go back and check A character can easily insert their spiritual pressure into a weapon kinda like with Zanpakuto’s and fullbringers can literally manipulate the soul of objects to help them fight like Ginjo’s cross necklace. No Chad was somewhat able to sense the hollow thought he couldn’t see it he could somewhat sense it like he did the 2nd time when he fought a hollow likely because he was being sorrounded more by spiritual activities. But Chad was somehow able to know where to punch the hollow to defend Rukia.

[@deltalord6969]

I wonder why dragon ball and im pretty sure the japanese people dont really like tien much i thought he was really cool

[@sai4998]

I heard it's because hes based off Chinese culture and yk racism and whatnot

[@_B4nk]

Clearly biased and not taking into consideration things like aizen and ichigo being 4d+ and Kennys feats against Gremmy is crazy

[@GokuSolosInfinitely]

Yhwach: I have Almighty Tien: KIKOHO

[@Kenos347]

Bro i can't with this shit 😭😭

[@maskedduelist1380]

The mad lad actually made the video! The algorithm brought me to Yamcha vs Naruto where I saw the original comment suggestion, and for once a KZbinr actually followed through.

[@animekinganimekingdom8732]

I'm actually surprised with your Bleach scaling I honestly thought you would just give Bleach universal level easily with Yhwach gonna destroy the three worlds or Aizen saying he's transcended all shinigami as most people use those I think the whole Multi/Large Planet to Multi-Solar System scale (Depending on the version) makes a lot more sense and now that I know how you scale Bleach and the other Big Three I'm looking forward to seeing what videos you'll hopefully make with them in the future 😊

[@Omegeddon]

They're baseline universal at the very least

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@Omegeddon No they aren't

[@Omegeddon]

@@MrLoops-dq9xt Yes they are

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@Omegeddon Proof?

[@mlmf2012]

I dont understand why people scale them to universal. Universal hax =/= universe potency. In dungeons and dragons for example, a wizard can stop time, create unbreakable barriers, unleash earthquakes, transmute objects, forced teleportation to dimensions, summon meteors, and alter reality itself, yet get folded a guy who can't even lift a car to save his life. Bleach is in the same boat, remember when aizen was impressed when he was strong enough to bust a mountain.... And being one of the smartest guys in the bleach verse, he concludes this is sufficient to beat the soul king... yeah, their hax does not match with their stats. Just like in many hax-y verses, dragonball characters are just too strong for these hax to work on them. Especially when aizen confirms just having alot of spiritual energy already nullifies the hax. Ki in itself already has anti hax properties, remember when they tried to wish the saiyans dead? Shenron, the reality altering wish granting dragon cannot kill beings vastly stronger than him with his hax. (Also important to note, the saiyans were completely unaware someone out there tried to kill them, even to this day vegeta knows nothing of the wish that tried to kill him. So basically the anti-hax properties are completely passive and the ability just naturally comes with the power, and not something they need to master or train for) Heck didnt the saiyans passively block fortuneteller baba's ability to see their future? So.... gg yewach lmao

[@guardrailavender]

The main issue of this video seems to be that the scaling for Bleach is based heavily off of what’s on VSBW, and the VSBW profiles for the god tiers are very outdated, especially in terms of speed. The short version of a debunk for the entire video would be that CFYOW (which is canon) states that Gremmy created outer space which is a universal feat, as outer space by definition is the entire physical universe beyond the earth’s atmosphere. This further supports higher end (uni, uni+, low multi) interpretations for the Yamamoto and Senjumaru feats, and enables us to use Senjumaru’s reiatsu crossing the realms as a speed feat, it’s calced to like ~7.5 quadrillion times FTL. There’s other things about the Bleach scaling in this video that are wrong (like speed multipliers), but those are relatively minor. Overall, I think the video is wrong, but it’s not the worst thing in the world. Bleach is a difficult verse to scale.

[@nani4249]

Plus he didnt mention mayuri who could invent a poison or disease powerful enough to kill tien, goku died against the heart virus and hes a saiyan with resistances to biological attacks such as that (plus gokus fight with frost showed that goku can be affected by poisons even at super )and tien having no experience in dealing with poisons would be low key defencless plus aizen could just throw up illusions that stops tien from killing them when hes dying by covid or whatever majuri cooked up. Alot of characters from bleach our prideful but just know majuri has that in his back pocket. Bro also mentioned tien using the mafuba but didnt mention half the characters with hax that could affect tien, tien can over power alot of the hax but just think when aizen does that its with prior knowledge and experience of all the characters abilities tien couldnt know that. Hes also a dragon ball character, one of the smarter ones in terms of combat but his battle iq is still below most of the verse. Tien has also not had a single feat of endurance or nutrition hes old he has no longevity feats since hes never been in a fight that lasted longer than 10 minutes, he also has no experience with fighting hordes of people expect the freiza force and his performance was pretty lack laster.

[@jades5772]

He not not use current tien either wich is now about 100x stronger cause he was able to keep up Witz ssj2 goku and Vegeta Post bog- manga

[@K2zaki]

@@nani4249 think he went over this when he said that tien would be too fast for them

[@trueblue1893]

Perfect comment. My biggest issue with this video is that he got a lot of the scaling wrong for the Bleach side. I understand it's hard to scale, but at least research the biggest and best feats present in the verse, if only for the characters that can actually do anything to Tien.

[@trueblue1893]

@@K2zaki Tien doesn't even outspeed the top 3, but you don't know that since he didn't bother to scale them properly

[@jordanglasper1064]

In short, Tienshinhan mudstomps everyone in Bleach. DBZ is Elite Tier in such a weak. If u are a weakling in DBZ, you are a God in every other anime & manga. No joke. Tienshinhan is no weakling.

[@SosukeTYBW]

Only retarded db fans believe this

[@IceAlias]

And this is why I hate dbs powerscaling lmao. Basically everyone becomes a universe buster out of nowhere. Hot take but i think some bleach characters could go toe to toe with eos dbz characters

[@Mewantkillua]

Unironically rukia speed blitzes the verse

[@IceAlias]

@@Mewantkillua that's wild, not sure if I necessarily agree though. Lots of DBZ characters are much faster than light speed. I do think tybw rukia could keep up with a lot of them though

[@Mewantkillua]

@@IceAlias if you want i can expand on my point

[@IceAlias]

@@Mewantkillua sure go ahead

[@Mewantkillua]

@@IceAlias ​​@mishaamyousuf1834 rukias bankai allows her to freeze anything around her in absolute zero temperatures, now its a proven fact scientifically that reaching absolute zero temperatures is impossible without infinite energy or infinite time. In other words you to output infinite energy to generate absolute zero temperature. In bleach its confirmed shown and stated that your hax scale off your reiatsu (meaning that your reiatsu is as strong as your hax and vice versa, this is also further proven by bleach characters negating other abilities simply by having much more reiatsu) meaning that Rukia using her bankai outputs infinite energy which would get her to high uni or infinite 3D. And finally in bleach both your speed and ap scale off of your reiatsu with characters becoming significantly stronger and faster in a increase of reiatsu and vice versa. This means that outputing infinite energy means you can also move at infinite speed. In conclusion rukia is high uni with infinite speed and speed blitz freezes tien immediately

[@CipherPol.0]

Sternritter V can just imagine Tien in the vacuum of space or imagine his bones are made up of cookies or something Dude left out some op characters lol

[@SosukeTYBW]

Literally what i been saying but idiot db fans will respond with "but tien has more ki so it wont do nothing to him" im like wtf does him having ki have to do with whether gremmy ability will work or not lol i was in the discord and some dude said tien would win causw gremmy would imagine himself as strong as tien then die like kenpachi, im just like...who the fuck said gremmy would even need to imagine him with tien strength if he can already do things tien cant counter like throwing him in space. Heres another really funny one, there was one guy in there i was debating with and they said if tien got dropped into space by gremmy he can hold his breath and fly to somewhere thar has air, after i heard that i was flabbergasted 😂

[@xeratovildan9871]

Gremmy's hax don't work because his AP doesn't compare to tien's, we see this is the case in bleach with Aizen. Tien has infinite speed, Gremmy is getting blitzed before he can even think of using this tactic because bleach has no consistent infinite speed metas. Even if it somehow affects Tien, and it lands, Tien is fast enough to instantly fly to another planet, because again. Infinite speed.

[@CipherPol.0]

@@xeratovildan9871 Gremmy can literally sent him to a cosmic void where the nearest star is 100millions of light years away, he can even sent him into a black hole, show me a feat where Tien durability is higher than a black hole. Tien never fought a person with this ability so saying like he knows what going on is a far reach. Now tell me what can Tien do if he’s bones are made up of cookies or get turn into a liquified state.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@xeratovildan9871 tien literally has no high AP or DC feats lmao you all in the comments just coping

[@pozzytrack0]

@@SosukeTYBW Most of bleach outside of Kenpachi are in the same boat dude. Again going off feats alone is a dumbass argument.

[@averageguy1469]

You messed up Krillin vs One Piece- Didn't use crossover feats which place the Strawhats alone somewhere around Buu saga without it they're Cell saga level facing a composite Krillin, you messed up with Naruto only using canon not using Boruto, and not knowing their powers too well vs a composite Yamcha. So you can kind of see my doubt going into this.

[@afellownerd]

The Bleach downplay is crazy 😂

[@dizzyb2309]

He highballed them. Best feat in the series is a meteor bust so universal anything should be ignored

[@afellownerd]

@@dizzyb2309 1. Not even the best feat in the series. 2. It was much more than just a meteor. Gremmy creates space (no, he did not just open a portal to space. In CFYOW it is verbatim stated that he created space, TWICE). Not only are countless stars and a galaxy visible in the space that he creates, but the term used to describe it is "宇宙", or "Uchū", the japanese term for universe. Since he only needed to multiply his power by five to do this, that means that the meteor is 1/5th universal. Fullpower bankai kenpachi isn't even top 11 strongest in the verse, and Kenny destroyed this meteor with just his shikai AND while he was nerfed by his eyepatch.

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@@afellownerdgoes to show they literally dont know what thry talking about, their claims always get debunked in a matter of seconds with easily findable feats that have been done but be the same people to say tien is some universal powerhouse with literally nothing backing it

[@dizzyb2309]

@@afellownerd You just called a meteor 1/5th universal. I can't take you seriously. It's a canon fact that Yhwach is the only quincy capable of controlling Yama's bankai, which yields far less power than what you're tryna scale Gremmy to. Enough of the cope.

[@afellownerd]

@@dizzyb2309 I did, and I provided evidence. What proves that Yama's bankai is weaker than what I just claimed? Is it because "the temperature of the sun isn't nearly enough to destroy the universe"? Well sorry to say but as Jugram explains the true danger of zanka no tachi is the sheer force of Yama's reiatsu, the insane heat is just a side effect of it.

[@worldbosspf1]

Wait until you find out that Ichibie can take away all of Tien powers, and is immortal. Ichibie, Yhwach and Aizen is all it takes to take out Tien. So yes the video and all the others are bais.

[@barnabastoma1075]

Isn't Aizen has mid godly regen? Like Ichigo used the ,,final gentsuga tensiou" or however must I write it,but that attack destroys the target's souls and conciousness,then Aizen just regenerated from it

[@samisha5834]

"Having a higher spiritual pressure cancels out powers" Dummie

[@SosukeTYBW]

Really all it takes is gremmy or that other sternritter who can make your own blood toxic

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@samisha5834tien doesn't have a higher anything than these characters

[@itsreihart9865]

Rice cooker vitcim.

[@Younggodizzyiz]

Tien puts the rice cooker in front of Aizen and is like, "Get in buddy, this is your new home." :]

[@dragonslight4531]

My boy Tien is getting bodied especially by Aizen and that’s high balling

[@zackary4063]

yea accept befoe aizen can think he gets punched into outer space

[@xeratovildan9871]

a highballed tien negs the verse because none of the hax work on him, Aizen himself points this out. If you're vastly stronger, hax don't work. Whether you like it or not, at best, with raw AP, we have only seen feats up to galaxy levels in power for Bleach. No, Yhwach doesn't scale to uni. No, he did not "destroy the universe," He caused the balance to be disrupted, and THAT is what destroyed the universe. He lacks the AP to do so. If Yhwach is a universe buster based on this feat, so is every single wall level quincy from the start of the series because their purging of hallows disrupted the universe's balance. BoG God Goku absorbs god into his base, and that became his new base level of strength. Whether you like it or not, any singular character that upscales Base Goku from the end of BoG is uni on a low end, multi on a high end. For every single bullshit wank you do for bleach, there's one for dragon ball that still has them at stronger levels of power.

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@@xeratovildan9871a high balled tien got beat up by roshi, a high balled tien got 1 shot by a base gohan

[@jirenthegray5776]

Aizen is fodder lol

[@dragonslight4531]

@@jirenthegray5776 you keep thinking that

[@MomoTempest6]

0:37 Tien isn't even 100% human

[@ZoFiProductions]

"Oh look, Bleach!" *Uses Tri-Beam* "That goes in the square hole."

[@averageguy1469]

LOL This guy always uses composite versions of Z-fighters while using only canon for the other side he must be competing with Death Battle or something.

[@ulthanesmorkums]

Composite? Do you mean the literal canon?

[@xeratovildan9871]

it isn't comp, he's using DBS which is a continuation of Z. This IS the canon lil bro, are you dense.

[@wholesomecup102]

I cannot take any of your dragon ball vs big three videos seriously, but I respect the hustle… Also I hope you get out of the DBZ phase. Actually you should do DBZ vs Toriko

[@zackary4063]

lmao he was spitting fax what is bleach doing to tien i need to know

[@SosukeTYBW]

@zackary4063 throwing him into space via gremmy, poison him to death via mayuri or askin, 1 shot with X axis, aizen kyuoka suigetsu, ichibei ichimonji, barragan existing, many more

[@zackary4063]

@@SosukeTYBW lmao people really d ride Grammy when he lost to Kenny because he us a monster lmao but tein vaporizes Kenny hmm I wonder what he will think about tien you ride bleach to much man dragon ball out scales bleach in every regard sorry bro it’s just reality

[@life-sf1oz]

​​@@zackary4063 what the hell is tien gonna do to bleach this guy would get destroyed by mask de masculine and that character is mid tier at best

[@zackary4063]

@@life-sf1oz huh lmao considering at the least if u lowball tein he is solar system and hight ball universal so he wipes most of bleach of the board at low ball and beats everyone at the high ball

[@tac_in_crack9372]

I may not like these new power scalers but you’re different, you’re the exception

[@OctavaEspada]

Db glazer at it's finest

[@cereal9879]

Bleach glazer spotted

[@OctavaEspada]

@@cereal9879 bleach glazer because i don't think a fodder charachter who didn't do shit but get his ass beat for 30 years can beat an entire verse full of crazy potent hax and Uni+ scaling???

[@OctavaEspada]

@@cereal9879 Tien literaly got upscaled from dwarf star lvl to MULTIVERSAL witouth doing ANYTHING

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@Soulchaindeathmatch they called me a troll but one of the idiots in the server in a debate said everyone in ToP was uni+ lmao

[@OctavaEspada]

@@SosukeTYBW dbs fans use 2 braincells on a good day Tien literaly slept and woke up a Uni+ treath over night

[@E3-12]

Right, vasto lorde Ichigo was going to destroy the world of the living. The living realm. Not earth, the living realm as it is seperate to the hell realm. The zero division shook all 3 with a small portion of their power don’t downplay it to being the utmost of their ability. I love DB and maybe tien can beat yhwach or Ichigo or aizen, maybe. But the whole verse. No chance

[@dylanevans0402]

There is no one to my knowledge in anime that is immune to total hypnosis and that's just a shikai... soooo good luck dealing with that. And that's only one thing to overcome, seems like you really don't understand how strong Bleach characters are.

[@FJUVHJDSR]

All i see from this video is dragon ball meat riding and I'm debunking this video: Let me first point out outlier on the dragon ball part, Scaling Tien to SSB Goku or Ultimate Gohan because he took a single laser beam is funny ASF... That's an outlier the same way a regular laser destroyed SSB Goku... Base Goku massively outscales tien and it's not even funny, your telling me tien would put up as much of a fight against Zamatsu like SSB Goku and Vegeta? Ight bro👍 Now to BLEACH: 1. It wasn't just Yamamoto's heat that was the simple factor going to destroy the soul society rather it was his power which the heat comes with 2. Yhwach wasn't planning on just destroying the 3 realms, his plan was to reforge it... Which affect that scaling alot because it incorporates all the realms into his plan which means including hell, Hell was stated by Kubo himself to be an infinite constuct with multiple infinite layers within it 3. Ceros have been confirmed by Kubo's assistant to be baseline light speed, Also even if you didn't know about this... Claiming there's no way to prove spiritual light = regular light speed is just wrong because in the soul society and Hueco mundo everything is made out of reishi, including the regular lights there like Lamps or even natural sources of light... So are you gonna say a torch light from the soul society isn't emiting light at the speed of light because it's spiritual light? 4. For goodness sake bankai multipliers multiplys the users Reishi which in turn multiplies all stats... Also there's a multiplier to shikai too since it amps the users reishi, it just wasn't stated how much 5. Ichigo's bankai literally increased everything, Ichigo was utilising a false Bankai that's why the Mechanics was different, with his true bankai Increased his all round physically stats as shown in the TYBW... Even with the mechanics of the false bankai we saw that his all round stats still increased by alot from his durability, AP, DC and infamously his speed... Ichigo even told Gin, did you think a bankai wouldn't be able to stop another bankai, meaning that it's durability/strength also increased and if he was in shikai Gins bankai would have gone right through 6. Just stop bruh, the almighty is passive the only reason why he didn't see Uryu was because he was literally just reviving, also Uryu is literally a guy with the Ability that was stated to verbatim "counter the Almighty" 7. The Mafuba wasn't meant to hold being like Aizen or Gerard, just the way Zamatsu would have gotten out of it anyways 8. Soul society mirrors the WoL which is a universe due to it being our world, Hueco mundo is the same size as SS which means it's a universe too... Also let me say the garguanta is literally stated to be a hyperspace which is a 1C construct, How does this affect the scaling you may ask? Because the Reio created it... Yeah, the same guy that Yhwach absorbed. 9. 8:24 You said it's unclear what they meant when they say the "Soul Society"??? Please when did that happen... Each time SS was mentioned in context they refer to the dimension I'll name ways the Bleach verse can slaughter Tein in the replies

[@FJUVHJDSR]

Ways the Bleach verse could slaughter Tien: 1. Gremmy opening a portal to outer space and dumping him there 2. Yhwachs powers isn't just the power to see the future, it's the power to change it... Meaning he can change a future where Tien won to a future Tien loses 3. Tien cannot defeat Gerard, also lemme add that Gerard grows in strength each time he is damaged meaning, he can grow so strong he could just step on Tien and erase him 4. SAME goes for Aizen 5. Tien cannot touch Lille Barro but Lille Barro can use Infinite speed attacks that ignore defence to catch Tein off guard, in other words Lille can one shot Tien 6. Pernida cannot be killed by Tien but Pernida can get into tiens veins and use his owns veins to end him 7. Shunsui's Bankai 8. The balance would nerf Tien and Buff Jugram Off course all this is assuming Tien is anywhere near their level of power😮‍💨

[@oidotsuc5165]

@@FJUVHJDSR none of this things would work on someone billions of time stronger then u

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

Furthermore on number 8 the masked databooks description of the senkaimon clearly states that the Soul Society and the living world are universes parallel to each other yet both existing independently so yes the realms are universes

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@oidotsuc5165 yall just be saying any random nunber lol tien isn't billions of times stronger than any bleach character, you do realize dragonball characters INCLUDING goku can still be killed by poison, mayuri literally slaps or the other sternritter that can make tour own blood toxic to you

[@veryangryboi4128]

I agree that Tien loses to Bleach but Yhwach was only stated and shown to be destroying the SS,WoL,and HM. Scratch that, it's pure speculation if Yhwach was gonna merge Hell into the main realms. Also do they call their universes realms or is it just the planets?,

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

I love tien, but I don't know how he'd be able to bypass some of the hax that bleach has.

[@xeratovildan9871]

Aizen directly tells soi fon if you're vastly stronger, you ignore hax. We see the same thing in dragon ball. Using verse equalization and the fact tien is literally thousands of times stronger, and the hax don't matter. Friendly reminder Tien has infinite speed metas, The bleach Verse doesn't have any that are consistent.

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@xeratovildan9871and ginyu directly makes himself WEAKER when using body change, guldo directly can stop gohan and krillin despite them being stronger, buu directly can turn vegito to chocolate despite vegito being vastly stronger, decilman is directly stated by toriyama RIP that devil beam can kill frieza, someone thousands of times stronger than devilman himself

[@Charlie.G506]

What stuff you're on to get this high? I want some

[@SosukeTYBW]

You are bias lmao not once did i hear any counter to any of the major hax in bleach, not once did you even mention non of the sternritter like Gremmy who can literally imagine anything. Ain't say anything about the zero division, how is tien surviving Yamamoto bankai that makes him as hot as the sun itself, just stop talking about these other verses claiming these weak dragonball characters can solo when all your doing is just pissing off the fans of those other series with your misinformation and dragonball glazing.

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

What's the sun gonna do when tien is clearly universal in terms of all his stats and impossibly faster than light

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@whereisyourmotivation7 "clearly universal" clearly how? Yall just proclaim these characters to just be universal with no feats or proof, like etf are you even talking about? Goku need to protect from the heat of lava which isn't even close to the heat of Yamamoto zanpakuto

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

@@SosukeTYBW that's clearly not normal lava but an actual magic based attack. At start of dbs, Goku and beerus were about to destroy a universe with 3~4 different universe sized bodies with infinite space in all of them, all of that combined. Goku then absorbs that godly power in his base and from then on each of the z fighters have only gotten stronger and stronger. Even if you put him at start of super Goku level, he's still way beyond universal.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@whereisyourmotivation7 lol he's not cause he doesn't scale to goku at all

[@zackary4063]

you mean the guy who ripped himself apart because he never saw someone as powerful as kenny and the top tiers flick kenny and he dies i am sorry like beerus himslef whould go in and solo them considering he can erase the immortal people and speed blitz everyone there and has way way way more destructive power then anyone from bleach i am sorry bleach cannot solo they max stop at buu

[@austin5259]

We all know DB characters allow their opponents to throw out strong attacks all the time, just so they can guage their opponent's strength, Tien ain't no different in this regard, up against someone like Gremmy, Tien would have cookie bones or be turned into an infant faster than he can realize he should have just speedblitzed him.

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

This video is about one guy vs a verse. He probably just starts off with an aoe attack wiping out majority of these guys.

[@austin5259]

@whereisyourmotivation7 the way homie was presenting it sounded like mostly one on ones, if it was all at once, then Tien is definitely getting packed, one on ones I could see him having way more of a successful run.

[@jammerjay22]

except that's part of tien's character is that he doesn't do that at all. really only saiyans in db let their enemies power up because they want a good fight, tien would be doing everything he can to win immediately

[@whereisyourmotivation7]

@@austin5259 nah they all jump him and tien just charges his ki up makes a small explosion. 90% of them die straight up

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@whereisyourmotivation7small ass tri beam wouldn't even have the range to hit 90% of bleach verse lol

[@vellichor7676]

Next up: Infant Naruto Vs. Bloodlusted Edgar Allen Poe.

[@Incredible3p1cLOL]

I never knew how badly I wanted to see Yajirobe scale to other animes. I am going to double down and request an entire series on where Yajirobe scales in other universes.

[@gigawarman12]

Absolute madness

[@vn9574]

Bro hearted you thinking it was a compliment lmao

[@MiPerezosoHermoso]

This video is so biased towards DB is not even funny. 10:05 Akso, funny enough, Bleach TYBW confirmed that it has nothing to do with the soul balance 😂

[@beserker9890]

You failed to mention Aizens beat feats- such as destroying the cleaner and other 5D scaling he has. Also, the 2nd form frieza statement can be taken a bunch of ways narratively.

[@ayannaseer379]

Bro low balled bleach so badly

[@itsreihart9865]

@ayannaseer379 Show me ichigo blowing up the planet.

[@treezarealive2906]

​@@itsreihart9865show me tien destroying a planet

[@itsreihart9865]

@treezarealive2906 Show me Ywach blowing up the planet or other top tiers. 1st form freeza out feats the verse, Tien scales above Freeza via holding off 2nd form cell.

[@treezarealive2906]

@itsreihart9865 i said tien, I never said bleach beats dbz. 70% of the man's talk was about what tien could do and the other 30% was dropping bleach. He just straight up said tien tri attack doesn't kill him anymore because he isn't straining, that's endurance, it was never stated different. I can go deep on how he throated dbz but didn't even look at bleach

[@Kenos347]

This is actualy atrocious ngl

[@ion_force]

Who is tien supposed to be beating? He has no feats besides slowing down cell with the tri-beam. Calling him universal because he blocked some punches is ridiculous and powerscaling needs to end.

[@pushpitaprasad5157]

Lmao the bleach downplay

[@PurpleEyedMint]

I mean the highest you can scale anyone in bleach is 3x universal, and FTL+ Dragon Ball Super's ridiculously dumb scaling has a 7 inch robot bee at Universal+ and FTL+

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@PurpleEyedMint the most you can get tien is barely planetary and not even light speed

[@PurpleEyedMint]

@@SosukeTYBW Bro didn't watch the ToP

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@PurpleEyedMint I watched tien slow ass not even run fast enough to the sniper after they found his location, high speed where? Even Zeno can't keep up with light speed

[@drip_sauce7967]

Omg beautiful bleach scaling, this is negative bias

[@JustSomeGuyWhoisLost]

It's all fun and games until Tien is cussing power levels and super saiyans😂💀

[@yeboysalty8152]

I like how he scaled tien to uni through the some fight that most likely meant to be filler for the top. But he ignores the soul society meteor kenny sliced in half, ignores the fact that the soul king himself was killed by base ichigo, who was still holding all of the universes intact by existing, and yhwach would have scaled above that. On top of that ichibei had plans already to turn ichigo into the soul king before he big fight, believing ichigo would lose to yhwach. Meaning ichigo already had enough spiritual power to hold the universes together, these universes also containing infinite dimensions within such as hueco mundo itself and mugen. Also the negacion is actual light, the cero is spiritual light. Meaning yoruichi from soul society was light speed by dodging it. Making bankai ss ichigo massively faster then lightspeed already. Not to mention the massive increase in speed and strength since then, especially with techniques like flash step and the quincy version of it. Tiens speed is also based off the same shitty fight to put him equal to the base saiyans. However you could argue that they were holding back as well as piccollo just as goku did in ssb vs krillin. Considering 90% of the ToP was fodder. At the lowest ichigo is low multiversal. And his speed is however much the difference between ss to tybw. In terms of power that would be from 1 million zanpakuto to low multi lowballed. Which would probably also be in the millions/billions excluding flash step and other techniques added onto it

[@KidGoku-g4v]

buddy thats a wank. i too can scale tien higher than that and say hes outerversal by using afterlife scalings and using statements and inverse scalings to make him far stronger than what you got here. if you put ichigo at low multiversal which is a highball tbh it will still be clapped by buu saga characters like buuhan who easily scale to high multiversal scalings. Tien from TOP actually has higher scaling than any buu saga characters including buuhan feats. so yes it doesnt change the result just make debate longer.

[@CipherPol.0]

@@KidGoku-g4v what feat Tien had in TOP other than tackling a half naked sniper off the stage and eliminating himself in the process

[@KidGoku-g4v]

@@CipherPol.0 that itself i enough my dude. thats enough scaling lol. didnt you watched the video? clearly that guy was capable of destroying piccolos arms and was capable of hurting gohan. so yes tien would need only that scaling. tbh even without it tien destroys bleach verse. i m ngl lol

[@Goat_Reaper1]

​@@KidGoku-g4vnews flash, 1 little thing doesnt determine a characters entire scaling, that's like saying sakura is kaguya level cause she cauggt her off guard once with a punch simply cause kaguya was more concerned about getting sealed. Anyways, scaling goes off the consistent showings and tien consistently was shown the weakest active fighter, 1 tapped by base gohan and slapped around by roshi prior to the tournament, when did he get time to reach blue level and ult gohan level? From a random sniper he had to sacrifice himself just to eliminate? Yall are very desperate

[@CipherPol.0]

@@KidGoku-g4v of course he will lose an arm he’s the only one who can regrow limbs, I doubt they’ll have krillin or master roshi lose a arm lol But regardless how would Tien manage to do when Gremmy sents him to a black hole or cosmic void or even yet turn his bones into cookies or a liquified state?

[@megav1022]

downplaying bleach this hard is insane ngl

[@danstern102]

yeah ,this dude glazing db so hard , even tien cant beat base ikkaku

[@megav1022]

@@danstern102 tien would get to Hōgyoku aizen and get negged.

[@berickslime6718]

Its absurd truly. Bleach characters abilities work on conceptual levels and he applying his metrics to only physically destructive abilities. Shutara can seal your fate, almighty can change your future, Aizen can change your actual perception of reality especially if he only has to focus on a single target, toshiro can freeze concepts and abilities, x-axis deletes matter and grants intangibility. This is literally so dumb.

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@megav1022he wouldn't even get pass base Yamamoto

[@SosukeTYBW]

​@@berickslime6718ichibei can literally remove tien power with his ink

[@therealmonke561]

Bleach can unironically be scaled to complex multi The novels straight up say the realms arent planets, each realm having space-times and thus being 4d Dangai was stated as a hyperspace and it has its own time axis, so it is 5d, and since it separates two universes (SS and WoTL) it can only also be infinite Garganta is the infinite empty space around all this and since it's bigger, it is 6d In SAFWY novel, the narrator straight up said time passes differently in the garganta, meaning it is 7d due to having its own temporal dimension

[@averageguy1469]

Tien being Multiversal yet still dies from a planet blowing up in his face.

[@perfection20]

What are you even talking about, tien never died from the planet being destroyed. Have you even watched dbz or dbs

[@cobalt7248]

​@@perfection20 Uhhh you're gonna have to watch the near end of the Buu Saga-

[@perfection20]

@@cobalt7248 he didn't die because of the planet being destroyed, he died because he can't breathe in space since he's still human

[@averageguy1469]

@@perfection20 Which is why we saw his corpse floating around in Space after the planet was destroyed, oh wait...

[@perfection20]

@@averageguy1469 bruh which dragon ball z did you watch, we never even saw that

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

me watching the Bleach fans kill Lonk(he said Bleach isn't universal and that Naruto beats Ichigo)

[@davideraimondi263]

1 super scaling is absolute trash and nonsense 2 he scaled bleach characters horribly...

[@javierhernandezsoliman9198]

@@davideraimondi263 He scaled bleach completely perfect, Tien is just faster and at best is equal with universal power, and that is being generous to Bleach which should be planetary to galactic

[@thatonguy2407]

​@javierhernandezsoliman9198 CFYOW confirms that the realms are larger than planets, and due to the stars we see in them and the fact that they're called universes many times, they're universe-sized. CFYOW also confirms that they were originally 1 larger universe, which the Soul King split into 3, and then held them in place.

[@adverseresolve8142]

​@@thatonguy2407 once again being the GOAT for consistent bleach scaling 👏😁

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

​@@thatonguy2407CFYOW never confirms any of that.

[@Telarius]

FUNFACT: The Neo Tribeam isnt a triangle. If you look in the gap in his hands, its aqually a slanted square. Which is why it looks like one. Its ONLY a triangle when hes locking on/zooming in. Once fired. He shifts his hands and it becomes a partial square.

[@kellyevans3254]

Sorry bud, you failed to properly scale the bleach universe and skipped over many hax which would prevent Tien from being able to win. You gave tien the highest of speed scalings I’ve ever seen while ignoring the truly insane speed feats. Dragon ball is significantly more powerful than bleach when comparing the top tier characters, but this is a bad matchup. Ichigo solos tien.

[@berickslime6718]

Not even, measuring physical destructive power vs bleach with single target hax abilities cannot be compared. Bleach abilities work on the metaphysical/conceptual level.

[@xeratovildan9871]

@@berickslime6718 except aizen's own statements outright prove that if you're vastly stronger, you ignore hax. The verse gets washed, get over it.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@xeratovildan9871 except guldo, ginyu, devilman, frost, roshi, buu and moro proved you don't need to be as strong or stronger for abilities to take effect on someone, so your own series debunks this power over hax notion

[@tchoythao1730]

⁠@@SosukeTYBWno because their powers don’t work off ki. Goldo is the weakest member of the Ginyu force, even weaker than Krillin and Gohan, but his power specifically doesn’t work off ki. It might need energy and ki to use the time stop, but it isn’t innately a ki based attack. Buu uses magic, which is separate from ki. Bleach Haxes are specifically tied to SP, or their Ki. The only exceptions are Aizen’s immortality cuz it’s not a power but a property of the orb, poisons from mayuri, and maybe Ywach’s foresight (which doesn’t matter when Tien can nuke him faster and harder than anything he can touch).

[@SosukeTYBW]

@tchoythao1730 you just said a whole bunch of bullshit lol then you tried to equate reiatsu to ki when they aren't the same then you go on to suggest tien can just one shot yhwach who can see and alter all future events...let me remind you hit would dog walk tien and his time skip isn't anywhere near as OP as the almighty

[@ichmagbratwurst4999]

Interesting to see that you think Tien beats Yhwatch given that my knowledge about him was just the consesus on Reddit that Almighty lets him turn MUI Goku into a spite matchup.

[@debateisaac15]

Bleach is a stronger verse anyqy

[@zackary4063]

@@debateisaac15 hell no it aint lmao

[@xeratovildan9871]

yhwach, at best, has galaxy level ap. His "universe destruction" is from disrupting, not AP. Meaning, anyone who scales massively above galaxy ap, by bleach verse's own rules, ignores anything the almighty can do regardless. Tien massively outscales in terms of AP and speed, he slams. Bleach doesn't even have a consistent infinite speed meta, meanwhile anyone who scales past the buu saga has consistent infinite speed metas for the anime. And the DBS anime follows the DBZ one.

[@debateisaac15]

@@xeratovildan9871 GAXALY? LMAOOOOOOOOOO Yuha in base is Complex Multiversal with the allmighty Tien isn’t beating Yuha or Ichigo or any top tiers in the bleach verse

[@debateisaac15]

@@zackary4063 it is

[@france_losted_togermany]

Hey i got a question, how does dbz and dbs scalers scale things? Because second form frieza is told to have enough power to destroy the universe, but Cell, who's supposedly thousand times stronger say's he just has the power to destroy the solar system (perfect form)

[@danstern102]

bro glazing tien so hard lmaooo ,tien even cant beat base ikaku hahaha

[@barnabastoma1075]

L take for various reasons Yhwach has the x axis that makes hes reaction time faster. The fact that you used a calc from vs battle wiki,but you wern't looked at the profile at all,just shows how bad you wanted Tien to win The allmighty fucks up tien every day Tien can't kill Aizen cuz he has fcking mid godly regen And on top of all that,you act like the soul crush is the only hax that is dangerous to Tien and the allmighty,but in bleach,there is a lot of hax that can just end Tien like crazy. So this video and the entire trilogy was disingenuous,you just wanted them to look like strong somehow

[@OmniDan26]

when I'm in a coping competition and my opponent is a bleach glazer

[@barnabastoma1075]

@@OmniDan26 Im an OPM fan,but what the bleach verse deserves,deserves it for a reason,and this was disrespectfull from him to say such a fighter as Tien actually stands a chance against the bleach verse

[@OmniDan26]

@@barnabastoma1075 when I'm in a coping competition and my opponent is a bleach glazer

[@T3mpest_111]

We taking Ls takes now the bleach lowball is crazy not gonna lie 😂

[@itsreihart9865]

Show me ichigo blowing up the planet

[@T3mpest_111]

@@itsreihart9865 dude you do know that when a charecter is considered planetary or multiversal it doesn't directly means that they destroyed planets or universes right 😂

[@T3mpest_111]

@@itsreihart9865 take Naruto for example most consider him to be planetary but when did you ever see him destroy a planet so if you don't know how scaling works rather don't say anything or you'll make yourself look stupid.

[@Chillchildren999]

⁠@@itsreihart9865 Vasto Lorde Ichigo Shook all of Huceo Mundo just by powering up and that’s a Universal sized Dimension

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@T3mpest_111 I always find it funny when dragonball downplayers will say "where the feat of this character destroying a planet" while in the same breath say someone like tien is solar system level for whatever reason

[@CJ-qv4sd]

Nah Bleach fans are gonna crash out watching the bleach scaling in this vid 😭😭😭 but I still agree that tien slams except he would have to put more effort than what you claimed

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

Yeah, 1% extra fr

[@Nobodyfrom2003]

Tien is definately not universal, battling in universe 7 does not make him strong. Krillin was fighting Blue Goku (MASSIVELY SUPRESSED) it doesn't mean Krillin is Blue level. Goku got one shoted by a ray gun, meaning Ki is not passive, you have to use it to defend yourself. If you get surprised attack you are gonna get destroyed, meaning that someone sniping from far without you knowing will be bad for you. The high tiers in Bleach are Universal and arguably Universal+

[@Undesirablesenseofself]

This video is a bad joke to be honest

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

@@Nobodyfrom2003 Tien is universal+ because he fought and stalemated against a guy that could threaten Ultimate Gohan, who is comparable to SSB Goku without suppression. Tien isn't as carefree as Goku either, so he'd obviously be using ki to defend himself the entire time since we're putting him in here to fight the verse.

[@Nobodyfrom2003]

@thedarknessinthelight9824 pretty sure Gohan wasn't really going all out, you do know they were all trying not to waste energy and survive, right? They even stated it. So you basically saying Tien is Ultimate Gohan level? If you do I am done talking to you my man, with all respect that's just nonsense to compare the 2

[@liomurasaki]

It all comes down to: "Can Mayuri inject his super concentrated superhuman serum on the triclops before he knows what's going on?" and even still h think he would be able to fold that and move anyway xD

[@apotato3263]

Bro you did a really poor job scaling bleach in the tybw new anime scenes Ichigo's final training was to stand the literal weight of all the bleach realms which include the soul society hoekomondo the material world and the pathways in-between them (I don't remember it's name) which is said to be infinte in size and he did it in HIS BASE FORM and Ichigo in his bankai during the final battle was able to literally ONE SHOT yowhach (I really don't know how to write his name) I don't know how this isn't multiversal

[@denaz5000]

Not to downplay the feat, but what does "stand" mean in this context? It can't mean lifting, because there is no natrual power able to pull down infinite mass. Unless some other person was applying the pull, but if that was the case then the feat would just be that Ichigo is stronger than that person. And it can't be that Ichigo was witstanding the pull of all the mass in the universe. becaouse that would mean nothing as that is what every person on earth is doung right now.

[@IGNEUS1607]

​@@denaz5000in the context of bleach, Ichigo was intended to be the replacement of the soul king if he was defeated. There are three "realms" which most people would consider are universes, or at least that one of them is, and their natural state is to collapse into primordial soup. The purpose of the soul king is to maintain the realms from collapsing, so essentially it's a universal+ creation feat at least.

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@IGNEUS1607 The soul king didn't create the universe so it couldn't be a universal creation feat. Hell he needed to sacrifice himself just to make 3 different worlds from preexisting materials over an unquantifiable amount of time with help from the 5 clans.

[@MrLoops-dq9xt]

@@apotato3263 Bleach fans love to use these "infinite" statements yet don't realize infinite can just mean very great in amount or degree by definition. There's not a single reason why it would be anything above planetary.

[@l1t00sav5]

​@@MrLoops-dq9xtyh so ur taking infinite to realistically when it's in anime infinite means nothing and when it's in reality infinite actually does have value

[@rae5057]

Goten and trunks vs 7 deadly sins