MA v Karen Read: Could A Snow Plow Have Caused John O'Keefe's Injuries?

[@CourtTV]

00:00 MA v. Karen Read 00:53 Snow Plow Theory 02:41 Expert Analysis #CourtTV What do YOU think? MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/tag/karen-read/?

[@whartonitec1041]

this guy you have on the show no understanding of legal matters. This is a crime of passion, even if it was the last minute intent, after she hit him, she left him there in the snow dying. That’s murder A lot of the recordings of John’s security camera from the time Read returned to his home after she hit him Is missing. How do you explain that?! And before anyone knew where John is, she started calling people telling them John is dead!

[@BrazilianGirl.]

" Expert" analysis?!? I missed that !😂

[@kellyross3072]

Yup John is dead before he even went to the hospital...she is guilty. Why the hell would someone say ( DID I HIT HIM )...

[@BoxerClover]

@crystalclearsun 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@VictoriaLynn59]

Justice 4 Karen ‼️

[@OldBiker54]

Butt Dial Trial

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

You can't butt dial a phone that requires facial recognition for a PIN number to unlock, especially when he says he was sleeping...

[@cristipratt2844]

Maybe the phone couldn't tell the difference?​@SHADOWBLACKs650

[@notabotbrittany]

lulz EDB been calling it that. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Sh4nn0nM]

This case is international now. We are watching from all over the world.

[@IsabelleIze]

Corsica island, south France yep

[@tjc30300]

Watching from Zambia

[@miltdta]

Greece 🇬🇷

[@earth0128]

The UK 👍

[@Petals532]

New Zealand 🇳🇿

[@Sakyagirl]

Karen Read did not appear to be drunk, given the video, and no-one on the stand stated that she was that intoxicated. Jen McCabe was a terrible witness along with Brian Albert & Brian Higgins. The butt dials and the disposing of the phones made no sense.

[@TheGdav0202]

Not to mention the missing video from the sally port, the denial that higgins made when it was obvious he was there when Karens car arrived . . . . it just goes on and on . . .

[@Jamie-te2ox]

Agree 💯

[@Katrina-qs2rl]

The phone disposal only makes sense if he's got something to hide. Obviously Higgins does!

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Because they have things didn’t want public doesn’t mean they’re bad peopke

[@CPAries0404]

I guess it’s that guy Dante Mills that’s drunk.

[@Williamb612]

way too many possibilities and doubt in this case…was a waste of tax payer dollars and the DA should have never indicted

[@rayneLee36911]

I believe this too.

[@Alemaniaturquia]

This canton Detective first in the scence say looks fight and snow plow Dectevtive Lanka

[@kabbystevens5167]

This community pays for the police and troopers…what a horrible ‘investigation” (cough, cough)

[@sunshine22723]

Poor John he deserved better than Read"s drunken rage.justice for officer O'keefe and his family

[@jtjones4081]

Do these 2 attorneys not know there’s 3 charges and she may be found guilty of manslaughter too?? So much ignorance!

[@renniejohnson9032]

In the end, no justice for John O'Keefe no matter who may have been responsible due to poor law enforcement investigation.

[@Barb417]

Justice will be served. 25 years is just about right.

[@Enzo_F430]

And that poor police investigation points to the culpability of ALL the police involved in this case….The law enforcement community should be ashamed

[@Barb417]

@@Enzo_F430 There's nothing poor about it. The murderer is on the stand, after she lied repeatedly. More charges headed her way. She has been organizing harassing witnesses. Phone records are proof. Guess you are sleeping.

[@tigerlily102511]

You mean police corruption

[@vedha0]

​@@Barb417 nope i wouldn't be

[@erinavery4577]

This entire trial is corrupt on so many levels and needs to be dismissed

[@valiakloeppel7252]

No- the killer is on trial.

[@reneearnett8761]

I agree

[@jennyray1476]

John's family knows KAREN killed John and the family deserves justice, if you want Killer Karen to get off you are supporting a killer and trying to take justice for John and his family away

[@brynnleapierce5600]

@@jennyray1476 Those inside that house have not made the best presentation on the witness stand in this case 👉 they have created more suspicion & reasonable doubt for me!!!! They have been poor witnesses that haven't proved anything substantial as yet 👉 More confusion & suspicion ‼️

[@paradise-w7u]

@@brynnleapierce5600 what suspicion? only a conspiracy theorists believe in this stupid story of all in together to frame Karen! so just about the whole town has to be in this so-called let's frame Karen? you kidding me? why on earth they would kill John and put his body out in the front yard? if they are so powerful enough to conspire all they had to do is just get rid the body or say he dropped dead inside their house!

[@sleuthiegoosie]

This guy keeps talking about testimony says she was intoxicated at the bar. However, every single one of the people who were at the bar, including the bartender, testified she did NOT appear to be drunk.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

That just means she was an alcoholic and used to being drunk

[@mrsmousling]

Well, apparently Canton is just a very high alcoholic tolerate drunk town. Cause there was a lot of drunk driving and drinking with underage kids.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@sarasmilesco8551Alternatively, it means she wasn’t drunk…. Determined to see the worst in her i see.

[@BoxerClover]

she was proven drunk by the lab technician's report & by kr's own BAC.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@BoxerClover they don’t accept facts 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Lawhana]

CAN YOU SAY..... REASONABLE DOUBT ! This case needs thrown out & Canton Mass. PD fully investigated by Federal investigators.

[@EC-dz3fb]

They 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 investigated. Only Trooper Proctor was reprimanded. He should've been let go IMO, but that was the extent of the fed investigation.

[@boucherjane9424]

Def reasonable doubt!

[@josephkain6213]

@EC-dz3fb Wrong, federal case is ongoing, they released over 3,000 pages of exculpatory information

[@EC-dz3fb]

@@josephkain6213 Right. And the only person they found culpable of wrongdoing was Proctor. It was 3,000 pages because the feds replied with copious notes to each item the defense cited as needing to be investigated.

[@DebEade]

Absolutely 💯

[@Vikki_G_]

I think we all know Karen didn't do it.

[@oliviashuii364]

Yes

[@notthatniki_og]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Only smart, non gullible, logical people. Others actually believe Karen did this. Let that sink in.

[@LittleMissStamper]

I'm sorry but no matter HOW you look at it, there is just ZERO chance Karen Reid caused THOSE injuries simply backing up and hitting him.

[@julesclem7197]

I have never been more anxious to hear from the coroner. The autopsy photos are horrible. His belt and a shoe were apparently missing? Plus all of the pieces of tail light found after the fact. Too many coincidences in this trial...

[@suzettesundae7903]

She is obviously a werewolf - just look at the photos of O'Keefe's right arm.

[@DMiller912]

Agree. No way her suv caused those injuries. Injuries to the head and arm only. It's outrageous!

[@SmartScanScreenings]

Are you all ME’s ???

[@docdynamix]

ever heard of wild animals

[@Sh4nn0nM]

Also where is the belt he was wearing, his shoe and hat? He definitely didn’t take off his own belt…hmm lots of questions need to be answered

[@RonTDB]

Shoe & hat was found according to media, but no belt.

[@FLMegan]

In the military base dumpster with all the butt dialing phones thrown away.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

Maybe he did, take off his belt.

[@kingsmitty2043]

​@@FLMeganare you guessing or is that actual evidence

[@katrinat.3032]

Sometimes I wonder if him and Karen didn’t at least start to do a little quickie in the car. Maybe that’s why his belt was off and shoe.

[@oldmanfunky4909]

From the thumb nail question: Did he get hit by a plow. NO! And he didn't get hit by a car either! If he did his legs would be injured. John O'Keefe was beaten about the head and arms.

[@brynnleapierce5600]

Yes, I think he did go into that house, an altercation occurred, it ended up in the basement - John was beaten then discarded out in the cold. Something happened in that house! Karen is the soft target fall guy in order to protect those inside that house who were all connected by family ties & other close connections. This is a sham

[@mackenziex3axl]

I think a fight happened and the German Shepard got excited from it and tore up his arm. John O’Keef absolutely got beat to death. I feel so sad for the kids he was taking care of, does anyone know if they’re staying with family now? Makes me so heartbroken 😔 💔

[@brynnleapierce5600]

@@mackenziex3axl Exactly my thoughts, while Brian Albert & Brian Higgins were hitting in the head, Chloe the German Shepherd became excited clawing his arm (John’s DNA ON HER CLAWS) so they had to permanently dispose of Chloe (possibly evidence) she mysteriously disappeared!!!! The HOUSE 👉 NOT INVESTIGATED FOR forensics, and it should have been when you discover a deceased body in the front yard. A good investigation for collecting evidence is comprised of 1) The body 2) where the body was found 3) a radius around the body (which included the Brian Albert house focusing on the cellar trailing around from the door exiting the back to the outside‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@BoxerClover]

@@mackenziex3axlno dog DNA. even defense isn't taking this route anymore.

[@Floridafanatic28]

Not necessarily. Not all people who get hit by a car have an injury to their legs.

[@janjans1178]

There’s one horribly obvious concern yet to be addressed : where’s Trooper Proctor because this was a TERRIBLE investigation and that may bring us closer to the defense’s Cover UP theory! The snow plough, the dog and consciousness of guilt … are making me feel this is not just over-charging. I thought this was Ted at his best tonight! Good job Court TV and guests.

[@Howsoonisnow-to5nv]

love Ted!

[@Junkanoo]

Defense is definitely going to call Proctor to testify. Puts prosecution in a jam, they will probably have to call him because, if they don’t, it’s going to look really bad to jurors if it looks like they were hiding him

[@lizzierose007]

First the dog, then C.A. and now a plow 😂

[@Leroy-df3ee]

Completely untrue. Why even bother?

[@EC-dz3fb]

About as many scenarios as people supposedly part of "the conspiracy!" 🤭

[@lizzierose007]

​@@EC-dz3fbExactly!

[@sarasmilesco8551]

It was anyone and anything except Karen!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@cynthiaosborne6039]

Your guest is putting out false information. The nephew never said he slipped and bruised his knuckles the night of John’s death.

[@JD-vh1qd]

When you fall you hit the palms of your hands and elbow. You don’t instinctively land on your knuckles .

[@oliviashuii364]

Why does the wrong trial of the innocent Karen Read keep pausing. Let the woman on with her life. Sick of these liars on the stand.

[@Candy-O1776]

That ATF guy, what a liar and Creep!

[@JH-th9th]

Karen Read is guilty and totally acts like it in court....

[@JH-th9th]

@@rominahorn427 you need to get back on your meds !!!

[@Gle7799]

Her lawyers finally git her to.zip.her lips

[@TheGdav0202]

@@rominahorn427 I wouldn't bother. Either a troll or a bot. No-one is that stupid.

[@zsmom247]

He died in the Albert house. Why else would they be acting like they are?!

[@BoxerClover]

hasn't been proven. trial's not over. so how can that question even be asked?

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@BoxerCloverIt doesn’t have to be proven. 🤦‍♀️ The defense doesn’t have that burden. There’s more evidence that Karen DIDN’T do this than that she did

[@mrsmousling]

The prosecution is proving the defense case!!! It just takes one juror to not buy into the prosecutions nonsense. It appears the McAlberts and Proctor never dreamed it would get this far to be a huge national case. They just thought it would be their usual business of “we do what we want and nobody better question.”

[@wendelynyoung8609]

Unfortunately, the house wasn’t even reviewed as a crime scene. JO died in front of the house! Not treat the house as a crime scene??!!! Make matters worse, house was sold and they ripped up the basement because of water damage. REALLY I so far have reasonable doubt

[@thomasgirty6397]

they broke his belt dragging him out of the basement then threw it away. it's NOT been found.

[@FlowerNana7]

This was a great discussion

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

KR hit him. It was an accident. Why would she say to JMcCabe 'last time I saw him was at The Waterfall '? Why would she say 'Did I hit him?' Why would she go get 2 x 'friends' to go find him. And see him straight away as they drive past Fairview? Might’ve been an accident... but that's what happened IMO.

[@BoxerClover]

exactly. 👏

[@tinawoodell1957]

HE WAS BEAT UP. NO PLOW DID THAT DAMAGE TO HIS BODY

[@BoxerClover]

u just don't wanna let go of the conspiracy. & ur hatred 4 people who weren't even involved.

[@anthonp614]

I believe he was beat too and they put him outside.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@BoxerCloverYou’re insane

[@mandeemckenzie537]

@@BoxerClover 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ummm ok

[@mandeemckenzie537]

1000%

[@lauriediorio574]

Exactly what I was thinking. The snow plow sounds very plausible.

[@DesignRhythm]

No. Its not. John's injuries are from a fight. Based on his vitals, he was not outside very long before they found him. Jeremy Renner who was hit by a plow had 30 broken bones; John had zero except for a skull fracture.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Except there’s pieces of Karen’s car all over the scene

[@DJohns1965]

Reasonable doubt has been shown.

[@Planet_Shel]

💯

[@bethryan9077]

Read will get extra jail time for agreeing to go along with the Abysmal made up story that she & Jackson put out to the media. It's for this reason of blaming others & Lots of others that the prosecutor chose to put the cart before the horse. You kids should Understand that it's the Job of a defence lawyer to accuse other people for the purpose of trying to save their client from the gallows. The first thing Read said when she called Kerry Roberts was, that John was dead. She was the only one who knew a body was at that side part of the yard, under 4 - 6 inches of snow. Because of the child lock for the back doors, when she screamed that she saw him, she couldn’t get out & Jen & Kerry had Time to look around & saw Nothing. Who else but a vicious Nutter would be soo fn Angry that her exit door was locked & so she was Kicking it due to her quick fire Temper, like the Thing that she obviously Is. More than one first responder at the scene heard Read say she hit him. After the ambulance had taken John to hospital, Read kept saying that she wanted to kill herself, which is also an admission of guilt, due to remorse. Another ambulance had to be called & she was taken to the hospital for an assessment. Since then, she has told various versions including for a TV interview, because she can't remember her Lies. Her parents also did a TV interview way back & her father stated that she told them that she hit something, as-in, when she left the Albert’s house. FYI - the CCTV at John's house shows that she reversed her vehicle all the way back for no other reason than to deliberately bang into the back of John's car for the purpose of trying to cover up when & where the tail light cover on her car was broken. That footage shows that she pressed a button on the console which was to disable the brake assist. You should know that the model of that ten ton Truck had a reversing camera & screen & so, a Sensor. No doubt she went over to the Albert's house at that time in the morning to see if any pieces there but it had snowed too much by then. Aww. At the beginning, Yanetti stated on the court house steps that it was an accident & she didn't mean to hit him. Then a performing clown was paid to accuse the cops of Her dirty deed & now people like you believe that every person in town who had a pulse is a liar. I pity you.

[@daymdb9138]

No one testified Karen appeared drunk at the bars, what is this guy talking about?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

He’s talking about the evidence of Karen having 7-9 drinks. Her not appearing drunk doesn’t mean she wasn’t drunk it just means she drinks too much and acts normal.

[@BoxerClover]

the lab technician & kr's own BAC proved she was extremely intoxicated.

[@daymdb9138]

@@BoxerClover yeah but he is saying witnesses testified to that and it was the opposite. Everyone on stand said she was acting normal and did not come off as drunk.

[@estrella5935]

@@sarasmilesco8551there was no evidence of how many drinks she had 🤔

[@AJD09FB]

@@BoxerClover Multiple Sclerosis results in heightened Lactate dehydrogenase readings. The LDH reading was what the phlebotomist relied upon in his testimony, and what the lab tech relied upon in order to perform the two calculations which converted that reading to a BAC reading. Since the machinery used to test the sample has no way to correct for the impact of Multiple Sclerosis on an LDH reading, the results are simply not valid as a means with which to calculate BAC. Another issue with using the LDH reading, rather than simply sending a whole blood sample for proper analysis of BAC, is that LDH is highly influenced by exercise and stress/anxiety, and by all accounts Karen Read was EXTREMELY stressed on that morning and had been running around in a highly anxious state, even helping to provide CPR. So, once again, her LDH levels would have been heightened by those stressors. Unfortunately, the BAC conversion that you are referencing to say that she was "proven" to be intoxicated, is utterly worthless for that purpose. It doesn't actually show what you think it shows. It is not a measure of her blood alcohol level, but rather her PRESUMED blood alcohol level based solely on her LDH level when her blood was drawn. I expect that the defence will bring in experts to testify to this, and possibly even call her own doctor to talk about her LDH baseline, which when combined with the testimony of every single witness who saw Karen that night (all of whom have claimed that she did not appear to be intoxicated), will provide more than enough reasonable doubt about her being over the legal limit to drive. ...And that's before we even get to the question of when her last drink was: was it at the bar, or was it after she got home? Thus far, the prosecution haven't even proven that she was drinking alcohol: only that it was a clear liquid, and that she still had her drink from the first bar when she arrived at the second. Unless they actually show video proof of her refilling her drink, how do we know that she wasn't sipping from that first one all night?

[@carrow1057]

For damn sure Karen's SUV did not hit him. What are you hiding Brians?

[@tracythetrickster9895]

Higgins had a plow on his truck. Higgins said that when he pulled out he didn't see any cars coming. But it sure does seem like he just might have seen a person.

[@annjanovsky8054]

They were all drunk and were driving

[@erinavery4577]

He also had 10 whiskeys

[@Shayne_T]

@@erinavery4577okay.. then if means he was so drunk he could have hit John, right?

[@DesignRhythm]

His jeep was never even at the house. John was not put on the lawn until much later, around 4am.

[@dezthepleb]

No one said she was intoxicated but the one person who wasn't there, though.

[@katrinat.3032]

She was seen on video having nine drinks between the two bars. Plus her blood alcohol level was elevated at 9 o’clock in the morning.!!! so what do you think it was 1230 the night before?

[@Nielak-dg8nj]

@@katrinat.3032 So she was so drunk she backed up in a straight line 40+ ft at 26 miles an hr. miraculously throwing John 12 feet with a head wound and no blood. Wow, she must be the best drunk driver on the history of the planet because that isn't even something that would be believable in a movie. If I was you I would be arguing she wasn't drunk because that would be more believable.

[@AJD09FB]

@@katrinat.3032 Multiple Sclerosis results in heightened Lactate dehydrogenase readings. The LDH reading was what the phlebotomist relied upon in his testimony, and what the lab tech relied upon in order to perform the two calculations which converted that reading to a BAC reading. Since the machinery used to test the sample has no way to correct for the impact of Multiple Sclerosis on an LDH reading, the results are simply not valid as a means with which to calculate BAC. Another issue with using the LDH reading, rather than simply sending a whole blood sample for proper analysis of BAC, is that LDH is highly influenced by exercise and stress/anxiety, and by all accounts Karen Read was EXTREMELY stressed on that morning and had been running around in a highly anxious state, even helping to provide CPR. So, once again, her LDH levels would have been heightened by those stressors. Unfortunately, the BAC conversion that you are referencing to say that she was over the over the legal limit is utterly worthless for that purpose. It doesn't actually show what you think it shows. It is not a measure of her blood alcohol level, but rather her PRESUMED blood alcohol level based solely on her LDH level when her blood was drawn. I expect that the defence will bring in experts to testify to this, and possibly even call her own doctor to talk about her LDH baseline, which when combined with the testimony of every single witness who saw Karen that night (all of whom have claimed that she did not appear to be intoxicated), will provide more than enough reasonable doubt about her being over the legal limit to drive. ...And that's before we even get to the question of when her last drink was: was it at the bar, or was it after she got home? Thus far, the prosecution haven't even proven that she was drinking alcohol: only that it was a clear liquid, and that she still had her drink from the first bar when she arrived at the second. Unless they actually show video proof of her refilling her drink, how do we know that she wasn't sipping from that first one all night? Furthermore, even if we assume that she drove drunk, that doesn't prove that she hit John O'Keefe. It just means that she drove drunk, like everyone else that night.

[@valiakloeppel7252]

The test she took: above alcohol limit 9 hrs later- she was crazy and drunk

[@valiakloeppel7252]

​@@Nielak-dg8njWrong deductions. 😂

[@alikat1053]

Elephant in the room is Karen Read FFS. People will go out of the way for this woman. Cops go to Cops funeral then come home home kill another Cop then throws him on the front lawn. Seriously? On top of that you break Reads taillight then throw pieces of her taillight where John is. Totally ridiculous. Praying the Jury possess comin sense.

[@EC-dz3fb]

💯!!!

[@thomasgirty6397]

you must be a cop. no way this bungeled investigation should have been brought. and where is his BELT????

[@alikat1053]

@@thomasgirty6397 No just not a conspiracy theorist. Story makes no sense logically.

[@debrashawcross170]

At no point have we heard "Police Officer Down", on 911 call or Police Radio. Look at the phone data, it tells the true story! John was in the house at 34 Fairview.

[@BoxerClover]

phrase only used during exchange of gunfire or other offensive/defensive scenarios.

[@debrashawcross170]

@@BoxerClover BS ... They all knew he was a Police Officer!

[@debrashawcross170]

@@BoxerClover Brian Albert never came outside!

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Probably because Jen isn’t a cop she’s the one who called police. They didn’t know who he was when dispatching. You are really reaching

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Exactly Debra 💯 I cant wait for the defense tech/data experts to testify.

[@Mike-og3xb]

I can honestly say I've never asked "did I hit him?" in my life.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

Have you ever had a group of people telling you that you hit somebody; when you have no reason to believe you did?

[@whartonitec1041]

Also never told anyone someone is dead before these folks found him

[@RichYungg]

😂😂😂

[@Leroy-df3ee]

Have you "butt" dialed someone twice and, also twice, received calls from someone who also "butt" dialed, all in a span of 10 minutes

[@Physics072]

If you have to say "Honestly" before you type or speak generally means you lie so much you have to announce you are finally telling the truth.

[@reformcongress]

A snow plow could have caused the gash in his head.

[@johneurek8181]

Yes, massive machinery used to move tons of snow can cause small scratches to just one arm… like a gentle meat grinder. Or they are defensive wounds from a dog attack. Both POSSIBLE, one is logical.

[@GBR1111-x2t]

agreed

[@GBR1111-x2t]

​@@johneurek8181, NOT a dog attack

[@DesignRhythm]

​@@GBR1111-x2t1000% dog bite / tears on his arm. Talk to any K9 trainer.

[@DesignRhythm]

No. John was beaten to death in a fight. He was not hit by a plow in just his head. This is a ridiculous theory.

[@robertwadas]

Why would you not take your plow to your house during a snowstorm but drive it to your work and leave it there ?

[@kristenpino4635]

Also, there is an extra 30 min missing from the time he left 34 Fairview and the time he arrived at the station.

[@smallfries3462]

It's possible that the plow hit him ,bc I grew up in NH and people have gotten hit and killed by plows during a. Bad storm I remember a man partying passes out on the road side walking home he was hot by the plow bc driver couldn't see him

[@Mooches33]

There’s no doubt that this kind of thing happens but I’m curious to the injuries that a plow actually causes

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

So you know what a plow looks like then. They’re practically construction equipment like an excavator because they have to push large amounts of heavy snow, massive tires, too. That’s going to leave behind a lot more evidence then a scratched nose & 2 black eyes.

[@DesignRhythm]

Jeremy Renner who was hit by a plow had 30 broken bones, among other lacerations. John had zero broken bones besides a skull fracture. John's injuries are only to his head and he has defensive wounds on his hands. He was beat to death. John's vitals show he was not outside very long or else he would have had extreme frostbite & the blood would be frozen. Also his core temp would be much lower than 80 degrees.

[@michelariccio7352]

​@@DesignRhythm7

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@DesignRhythmsounds like he was hit by a car! Also with the vitals and frostbite stuff, where are you getting this info? Making it up?

[@ralphmajor1947]

They sold the house and got rid of the biting dog?

[@BoxerClover]

no dog DNA.

[@dricker2229]

​@@BoxerCloverpig dna tho...

[@RichGagliardi]

@@dricker2229 There would've been dog DNA to go with the pig DNA. Believe me I thought the dog attack was true facts! But these results are what they are as my niece says. Unfortunately. ✌

[@SuperNCCC]

​@BoxerClover on a shirt and not the actual wounds.

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@SuperNCCC Doesn't matter. There'd be canine DNA as well. But there was only pig DNA.

[@sibelc.380]

The guests are wonderful and very knowledgeable!Also thanks to anchor for the good questions!

[@debrashawcross170]

Phone Data ... Tells the story!

[@CaroleEvans93436]

No, a snow plough did not hit him. I've cared for people who have been run over. They display injuries below the neck as well as head injuries: rib fractures/pneumothorax -, Fractures to the hips/legs/ankles. They also display grazing and bruising to the skin. John had been punched in the face and he fell back onto a counter top or fireplace - causing a gash to the back of the head. I wonder if John was using his right arm to defend himself against someone with a blade

[@Alemaniaturquia]

A car or plow. Don't do it 3He was beaten up first and the plow could have moved him Higgins, my suspect

[@MissteryDiva]

@attorneymelanielittle did an interview with a K-9 trainer who said John O'Keefe's arm injuries match identical to German Shepherd bites. Brian & Colin & Higgins brought John to basement.John reported Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest- MOTIVE‼️Jen googled"How long to die in cold" 2:27&6.Autopsy show John was beaten to death, dog bites & hypothermia

[@mamouilletten1562]

Why did the detectives/scientifics not come to this conclusion yet ?

[@mazie7952]

Doesn't explain them digging up the bsmt. I really don't trust Higgins either though

[@CaroleEvans93436]

@@mamouilletten1562 They didn't carry out any forensics in the house. The house was sold after John's death

[@Babyd320]

If the plow hit him then why is there tail light fragments from Karen’s car on John’s sweatshirt

[@cfawcett9870]

Why is something like an hour of video missing from the sally port. Why are there so many butt dials. Why did they call their "friend" "that guy". I could go on but surely you see that they have presented zero evidence (yet seeing as they haven't rested) showing that she actually did it. If they do then yeah, ok, but so far there is nothing. Just my opinion

[@DesignRhythm]

She didn't hit him. They manufactured evidence. If John was out there for 6 hours, he would have been frozen to death.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Cuz Karen hit him

[@DesignRhythm]

John was beaten to death in the basement. All the taillight "evidence" is planted.

[@DesignRhythm]

@@sarasmilesco8551 No.

[@debrashawcross170]

Stop the hypothetical ... look at the Phone Data; Apple Health Data, 360 Family Apps, Times and Movements. John was in the Home! 💥

[@BoxerClover]

a big channel like 'court tv' is gonna state something unproven as absolute fact. you're daft if u think they will.

[@1e2b9-]

@@BoxerClover A "big" channel like courttv doubts "Cellebrite" data. Next time they accuse someone (Stern, Hohberger, Huermann etc) with phone data, we gonna recall their hypocrisy!

[@karliann1]

​@@1e2b9-Exactly it's always the same 4 commenters on every channel claiming she's guilty!!!😂

[@PJTYLER]

​@@1e2b9- Yes! Well stated. The court system, Court TV can not have it both ways. They can't use the electronic data as proof only when it pleases the court.

[@DesignRhythm]

​@@BoxerCloverOh yeah, Cellebrite "the gold standard" for law enforcement is suddenly wrong on just this one case. 🤡

[@MichaelPressley-q4r]

We had 4 Guilty verdicts this week Karen Read is Guilty next then maybe she wipe that smirk off her face

[@caseddel8494]

A lot of people driving around drunk. Don’t they have ubers or taxis in Canton?

[@katherineripley2967]

She’s not guilty. Michael is wrong.

[@rebeccaswift7588]

I think a drunk Colin beat up John in the basement and the dog joined in. When Jenn was said to have "burst" into Brian and Nicole's bedroom, Jenn said she didn't notice the dog?..that dog or any dog would've reacted to someone bursting into the room..the dog probably left when their daughter was picked up by her bf..shortly after this incident the dog was re-homed?..why re-home a dog you've had for 6 plus yrs?.. Was Johns missing shoe, his belt and hat damaged by the dog?..why haven't those items been accounted for?..I can't believe at this point the commonwealth hasn't dropped this case against Karen Read..

[@EC-dz3fb]

There was 𝘯𝘰 canine DNA found on John.

[@cristipratt2844]

Because the police didn't go in the house to investigate.

[@DesignRhythm]

Colin might have started the fight with John, but Brian definitely ended it. Colin is not taking down a BPO. Brian is a trained MMA fighter & known for knocking ppl out.

[@gb3376]

I'm no expert but my common sense says there's no way a car could make eyes bruise like that, yet zero injuries on the torso

[@smiller6760]

Lack of understanding head injuries. basilar skull fractures most definitely make your eyes bruise. Also, internal injuries do not always appear externally. And before your common sense tells you the arm looks like a dog injury. He has abrasions, not lacerations. If you get hit at a high velocity, your skin will tear from impact.

[@kevinhaggins9114]

​@@smiller6760What about the little gash behind his head?

[@smiller6760]

@@kevinhaggins9114 blunt force trauma

[@AnneMarieBibby1966]

I'm in Massachusetts and I've never butt dialed anyone it must be a Canton thing! 😂😂😂

[@wendyzj2705]

Butt dial were 15yrs ago...everyone has facial recognition or screen codes, or thumbprint, or etc.

[@AnneMarieBibby1966]

@wendyzj2705 I'm an old school Nana LOL, not technically up on it all, but even I doubt that happened so frequently, LOL.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

My husband butt dials people all the time because he doesn’t lock his phone before putting it in his pocket. It happens.

[@M.loggins]

Sure is suspicious Karen found him!!!!!

[@kaylapalooza66]

Sure is suspicious Jen McCabe google searched at 2 something am at the exact time the 2 brians "butt dialed" each other

[@hipyshit]

She wasn't googling at 2:27 hos long to die in the cold that was Jen McCabe

[@kristymh823]

And Karen wanted to go to the bar and Jen said to go to the house

[@kerri-lynbryant293]

Straight away as they drove by Fairview!

[@dawnmills6755]

John was on the lawn, not in the street, so Higgins could not have hit him with his plow.

[@IrishGirlDebs]

In my eyes the CW hasn't proved anything but that it snowed

[@BoxerClover]

verbatim turtle talk.

[@Letsberealish]

Higgins is the one common denominator throughout this entire story. From romantically falling for Karen right before O'Keefe's death, to being at the scene of the crime when O'Keefe died, to being alone with Karen's SUV at the police station the next day. Higgins is neck deep in what happened.

[@BoxerClover]

wrong. kr's own admittance is the common denominator.

[@Letsberealish]

@@BoxerClover But she didn't admit anything. Jen Mccabe changed her story for trial, which she acknowledged.

[@denisemccourt9588]

Go away @Boxer Clover…stop with your trolling 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@denisemccourt9588 Why is it "trolling" when it opposes your view, but not trolling when it agrees with your view?

[@BoxerClover]

@@denisemccourt9588 u just don't like any1 commenting who doesn't agree w/your opinion. when u purchase utube & make it private then u can tell people 2 stop posting. 'til then...

[@malindamagaziner833]

I'm not saying that she wasn't drunk but the anchor is very incorrectly stating that all of the testimony shows she was drunk. Please, if you speak publicly about a case, have the facts straight. Noone reported that she was drunk and no one could confirm what was in her cup. Again, she very possibly could have been drunk but the facts do not support that statement.

[@BoxerClover]

it was PROVEN she was drunk by the lab technician.

[@erickab8533]

Sounds to me from watching this trial that every single one of them , including all their kids , were drunk. Brian Higgins was literally drinking whiskey all day long. He said it himself. Why is no one questioning if HE hit John o keefe.

[@danigrl917]

​@@BoxerCloverNo, it was proven she had consumed alcohol. That's it. They estimated what her BAC could have been at the time of the alleged accident, but even the lab tech said that if her last drink was after 12:45 (as reported by Proctor, I believe, and not by Karen), then they can estimate how intoxicated she could have been. However, if she had any alcohol AFTER that, the results would be different.

[@Rambo-John-J]

Only if the plow has automatic scratching dog claws on the sides

[@thomasgirty6397]

and human hand's to grab his belt and take it.

[@JD-vh1qd]

Not dog scratches. Those are what dog bites look like. I googled it. The dog’s upper fangs grab at the top and usually one on the bottom leaves marks. It really looks like a dog was targeting that right arm

[@MValleysMostWanted91]

The defense is batspit crazy, and desperate.

[@physics4290]

John's injuries are obviously not from a vehicle. But they aren't typical injuries from a fight either. The forensic photos of that property in Canton, MA of 34 Fairview are not as informative as the ones on Zillow. The police never give a good view of the gate to the backyard, which is to the immediate right of the garage and the driveway. There is an inground pool in that corner of the backyard behind the gate. Lots of concrete. There is no front sidewalk. There was an F-150 behind Karen, so she dropped John off at the bottom of the drive, so he could walk up the drive. While she was pulling forward to make room for Ryan Nagle in the F-150 vehicle, which didn't arrive until 12:23 am, I think John walked up that drive and veered right to sneak in that backyard to pee before entering the party. It was very close in time to when the Alberts said the dog was let out. Nicole Albert said she crossed paths with Colin in the foyer at 12:15 am. Brian Albert said he used the restroom as soon as he got home (with Nicole at 12:15 am) and then went upstairs to get the dog. That sounds like the dog wasn't let out until about 12:20 am. John would have reached the end of the driveway before 12:23 am. I think the dog grabbed John's right arm and caused him to fall backwards on his skull on the concrete pool surround. I think John was able to get up but fell again on his face and hand. If police had searched the area behind the gate, I believe they would have found broken bar glass. I think John was already dead when his body was discovered two hours later, and I think someone found his phone and carried it upstairs while they tried to figure out what to do. At that point, the dog had no prior bite history that was known to the Alberts. Someone in that family is a serious dog lover. They went to the trouble of adopting a rescue from Texas. It wasn't until June of 2022 that the dog injured some people and another dog and was "rehomed" to Vermont. I suspect someone in Texas covered up a bite history to expedite an adoption out of state. Because of liability associated with the dog attacking John, I think the Alberts decided to stage his body as a snowplow accident. That may have been successful if Karen hadn't been a histrionic personality who noticed her broken taillight shortly before finding his body and irrationally connecting the two things. You don't even have to hit anything to crack a taillight. It can crack from a projectile in the same way that a windshield does. If she hadn't been hysterical and screaming that she hit him, she may not have been charged. It didn't help that she acknowledged being so drunk she didn't recall anything after the bar. Personally, I find her behavior suspicious that morning. It's possible that Karen found his body in that location when she was out driving before she called Kerrie Roberts. I think she feared she hit him and wanted others with her when she "found" the body. I don't think she was as drunk as the prosecution claimed from their extrapolation of plasma NADH levels. MS patients have 2.8 x increased lactic acid levels that render that extrapolation invalid. Karen Read is not a likeable person. But she isn't guilty of second-degree homicide or manslaughter. The plow driver has no reason to lie about seeing a Ford Edge parked in front of the flagpole at 3:30 am. A Ford Edge is Brian Albert's work vehicle. Brian Higgins probably destroyed his phone to cover up unrelated criminal activity. The prosecutor is a moron. He claims that John's body was found on grass when the pictures show the body was on packed snow. He said that the last time he checked, dogs have both top and bottom teeth. The teeth marks get joined by pulling and their bite marks look like a slash. Police know how to sample evidence, with no documentation of how it was done, so that the DNA comes back negative. They did not sample John's wounds at all for dog DNA, just his contaminated shirt. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[@bethryan9077]

Read will get extra jail time for agreeing to go along with the Abysmal made up story that she & Jackson put out to the media. It's for this reason of blaming others & Lots of others that the prosecutor chose to put the cart before the horse. You kids should Understand that it's the Job of a defence lawyer to accuse other people for the purpose of trying to save their client from the gallows. The first thing Read said when she called Kerry Roberts was, that John was dead. She was the only one who knew a body was at that side part of the yard, under 4 - 6 inches of snow. Because of the child lock for the back doors, when she screamed that she saw him, she couldn’t get out & Jen & Kerry had Time to look around & saw Nothing. Who else but a vicious Nutter would be soo fn Angry that her exit door was locked & so she was Kicking it due to her quick fire Temper, like the Thing that she obviously Is. More than one first responder at the scene heard Read say she hit him. After the ambulance had taken John to hospital, Read kept saying that she wanted to kill herself, which is also an admission of guilt, due to remorse. Another ambulance had to be called & she was taken to the hospital for an assessment. Since then, she has told various versions including for a TV interview, because she can't remember her Lies. Her parents also did a TV interview way back & her father stated that she told them that she hit something, as-in, when she left the Albert’s house. FYI - the CCTV at John's house shows that she reversed her vehicle all the way back for no other reason than to deliberately bang into the back of John's car for the purpose of trying to cover up when & where the tail light cover on her car was broken. That footage shows that she pressed a button on the console which was to disable the brake assist. You should know that the model of that ten ton Truck had a reversing camera & screen & so, a Sensor. No doubt she went over to the Albert's house at that time in the morning to see if any pieces there but it had snowed too much by then. Aww. At the beginning, Yanetti stated on the court house steps that it was an accident & she didn't mean to hit him. Then a performing clown was paid to accuse the cops of Her dirty deed & now people like you believe that every person in town who had a pulse is a liar. I pity you. It is the job of defence lawyers to accuse someone else for the purpose of trying to save their clients from jail. I am soo not surprised that you numpties don't know that & you sure can't stand being shown that you're Wwwrong due to your Pathetic intellect. I told some True facts lovey & the video footage of both events can be found online. The evidence of her driving back to the Alberts is Coming Up with the trial.

[@DesignRhythm]

His injuries are definitely from a fight. Very common to be punched & crack open the back of your head when u fall. His hands have defensive bruises.

[@bethryan9077]

@@DesignRhythm There is nothing about John's injuries that are typical of a fight At All. The lump above his eye & that eye being hugely swollen was from her ten ton Truck slamming into his head when he bent down to pick up something. The force threw him backwards & the deep cut on the back of his head was from the edge tar area & the combination of both of those blunt force traumas cased the severe skull fractures, In Fact. Only a bruise on the back of one hand lovey & that is from him holding the cocktail glass that he still had from the Waterfall. Tiny bits of that glass was on her bumper & on the grass. Tiny fragments of her tail light lens was in his clothes. You kids should understand that defence lawyers Always accuse someone else to try & save their client from jail & then you should comprehend that the trial hasn't even Started yet.

[@bethryan9077]

Read will get extra jail time for agreeing to go along with the Abysmal made up story that she & Jackson put out to the media. It's for this reason of blaming others & Lots of others that the prosecutor chose to put the cart before the horse. You kids should Understand that it's the Job of a defence lawyer to accuse other people for the purpose of trying to save their client from the gallows. The first thing Read said when she called Kerry Roberts was, that John was dead. She was the only one who knew a body was at that side part of the yard, under 4 - 6 inches of snow. Because of the child lock for the back doors, when she screamed that she saw him, she couldn’t get out & Jen & Kerry had Time to look around & saw Nothing. Who else but a vicious Nutter would be soo fn Angry that her exit door was locked & so she was Kicking it due to her quick fire Temper, like the Thing that she obviously Is. More than one first responder at the scene heard Read say she hit him. After the ambulance had taken John to hospital, Read kept saying that she wanted to kill herself, which is also an admission of guilt, due to remorse. Another ambulance had to be called & she was taken to the hospital for an assessment. Since then, she has told various versions including for a TV interview, because she can't remember her Lies. Her parents also did a TV interview way back & her father stated that she told them that she hit something, as-in, when she left the Albert’s house. FYI - the CCTV at John's house shows that she reversed her vehicle all the way back for no other reason than to deliberately bang into the back of John's car for the purpose of trying to cover up when & where the tail light cover on her car was broken. That footage shows that she pressed a button on the console which was to disable the brake assist. You should know that the model of that ten ton Truck had a reversing camera & screen & so, a Sensor. No doubt she went over to the Albert's house at that time in the morning to see if any pieces there but it had snowed too much by then. Aww. At the beginning, Yanetti stated on the court house steps that it was an accident & she didn't mean to hit him. Then a performing clown was paid to accuse the cops of Her dirty deed & now people like you believe that every person in town who had a pulse is a liar. I pity you. .Dopey people see a conspiracy at every turn because you're not right in the head. Now, just go back to sleep.

[@DesignRhythm]

@@bethryan9077 LoL, he has zero injuries to his entire body below the neck. How did he get thrown 12ft into the lawn if the SUV only hit his head? Why wasn't he frozen solid with horrible frostbite if he was out there 6 hours? Why didn't any of the paramedics see any taillight fragments? Why was he on TOP of the snow if he was hurt before the snow accumulated? Where is the pool of 3.5 liters of blood loss? Et cetera et cetera. 🤡

[@debbieblair3329]

What about the whole deal with Colin’s knuckles?

[@godzillamanstreb524]

He definitely didn’t do this ….his hands were clear day after John died

[@angie4511]

That picture of his bruised knuckles wasn’t even around the time of John’s death. It was taken way before that. Some people just don’t have facts straight here

[@frank-xy4zs]

@@angie4511it was apparently almost a month after but who knows

[@JBfromFL]

The picture was taken 2 to 3 weeks after this event. Colin seems like a jerk

[@Miss_Cherry]

Ok, now this is the only story I've heard so far that makes the most sense. I don't believe Karen did it, and I DEFINITELY don't believe he was beat up, bitten by a dog and dragged outside, and everyone just went home and went to bed.

[@SaraWoodsss]

Yeah, that was exactly their 1st, originally plan. Until JM came up with a new, MUCH "better" one - to pin this crime to KR ❗

[@DesignRhythm]

No. John was beaten to death and attacked by Chloe the dog. He was placed in the snow later in the early morning around 4am. His injuries & vitals do not match someone hit by a plow & laying in the snow for hours. His blood wasn't even frozen.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@DesignRhythmwere you there?

[@DesignRhythm]

@sarasmilesco8551 I don't remembah 😂

[@andrewpelletier8032]

Everyone was intoxicated that night 😮

[@lorrainefairfield774]

If Higgins clipped him with the plow, why was O’Keefe on the ground in the first place? Did Read hit him and just drive away? If she hit him did it cause cardiac arrest and he collapsed then cause hypothermia because he couldn’t get up? Or did hypothermia occur first then cause cardiac arrest? How long could a man O’Keefe’s age and medical condition survive the cold weather temperature not properly dressed for the winter and in a state of hypothermia because that can determine time he ended up on the lawn. That would give you a better idea if what happened occurred at 12:30am or at a later time. Things that bother me about Read are: boyfriend is dropped off supposedly 12:30 am and I assumed he will visit Alberts for about 1 hr before leaving probably around 1:30am. Why if your boyfriend is only missing about 3 1/2 hrs by 5:00am would you call a friend who wasn’t even at the Waterfall to ask about John makes no sense. Then calling Jen and saying “John is dead”, or “maybe he was hit by a plow” makes no sense when he has only been missing for about 3 1/2 hrs. Why would you assume he was dead or hit by a plow just because he was late a couple of hours? Her alcohol blood tests showed at 9:00 am on 01/29/24 she was still drunk and if she did not drink more when she got home then that meant she was 2X over alcohol limit night before. Another question was how was she expecting John to get home?

[@joshuaporter4078]

Just wondering when Colin gets arrested for perjury. They have had 2 or 3 different fights come out on line after saying he's never been in a fight his whole life.......

[@BoxerClover]

he hasn't. those weren't actual fights where both parties had a beef. u just want them 2 be.

[@Auntie__April]

Yeah. Just a little “grab ass” 😂

[@Fido-vm9zi]

He don't look like Mike Tyson. Looks like he's messing with friends. I could be wrong.

[@notsorryyouretriggered]

@@BoxerCloverWhat does that even mean?

[@hipyshit]

Karen is innocent and those aren't really fighting videos what I seen .... I do believe he should be jailed over this case just see those as goofing off play fighting. But sadly don't think anyone will be held responsible

[@jonoharper4729]

KR will walk free, not because she is innocent, but because the state bungled this case from start to finish. Sadly, as a result, John and the O'Keefe family will never have justice.

[@EC-dz3fb]

😔❤

[@marlbboro8091]

I agree. Heartbreaking. RIP Officer John.

[@Shayne_T]

No, it’s because there’s key missing footage-e.g., library footage, sally port footage missing, destroyed phones, butt calls, suspicious internet searches, no ring cameras working, way too many strange coincidences that point to the people in the house knowing something.

[@DesignRhythm]

Karen is 1000% innocent. Do just a smidge of some research. John was obviously beaten to death in the basement.

[@blackpatronXO]

If she was intoxicated, was she ever charged with a DUI??

[@BoxerClover]

part of her pending charges. lost her professorship b/c of it.

[@SilentThundersnow]

I have absolutely no distrust of cops beyond the reasonable. And I would join the 'Free Karen Read ' group in this instance. You have to have your fingers in your ears, cover your ears and eyes to not see something wrong with this case. I wouldn't have any reason to not trust Boston cops. But I sure do now. So THAT'S why the free Karen Read group has gained such momentum. Your panel has a person who clearly hasn't researched this case much. Why is he on here? I haven't gone that deep, but how come he's on here, but I know more than him?

[@Jwren12]

I think she was drunk and accidentally hit him and only realized in the morning what happened. So not intentional but accidentally.

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

They why were the others deleting data on their phones and one deleted a search at 2:37 AM how long to die in the cold, that is hours before the body is discovered. Why phones destroyed and thrown away? Why was there texts saying "say the guy never came into the house" meaning John O'Keefe. O'Keefe was murdered inside that house and they dumped his body outside.

[@CPAries0404]

Where is JO’s belt? It didn’t fly off if he was hit by a vehicle. Please explain.

[@smiller6760]

👀 could ask Karen bc she was undressing him to warm him with her body. She says he puked on his underwear... 🤔

[@CPAries0404]

@smiller6760 🤣

[@sarasmilesco8551]

On his pants

[@Paula14609]

So many possibilities. We have a person killed every winter from snowplows. So that’s a possibility. But the thing that keeps bothering me is why the heck would it even occur to her to say “did I hit him”…??? That seems like a strange thing to sayin the first moments of finding him. But I also find the cops phone thing to be very hinky. I’m sticking to hung jury.

[@mollykillarney2419]

Same. (And very well-said!)

[@lgk4008]

I do not think she is guilty

[@Fido-vm9zi]

I cannot understand how there were so many people and possibilities around, but yet a single focus was adopted. Possible thoughts planted in numerous minds.

[@kabbystevens5167]

Correction: As per Jen McCabe testimony….she too did not recall seeing Karen Read’s car at the Albert’s house until her husband Matt McCabe reminders her.

[@BoxerClover]

no. she said she saw kr's car move up 2x in front of the house. that's y she texted 'pull in behind me.'

[@Piat65]

@@BoxerClover Wasn’t Jen texting and looking out the window?

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@Piat65 Yes. So she could obviously what was happening with the arriving cars.

[@belindavandyk6128]

TOOO MUCH REASONABLE DOUBT

[@valiakloeppel7252]

All these people got woken up by a crazed, drunk Karen- they help her and get screwed for doing so

[@BoxerClover]

👏👍💯

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

Now they are blaming someone else.

[@BoxerClover]

incredible huh? flinging stuff just 2 see what might stick.

[@daffydill5590]

I believe Brian Higgins said something to John about Karen. A fight ensued The dog got involved and Brian Albert also got involved Higgins was his buddy. I dont think they meant to hurt John but once they did had to find a way for John not to talk. Then proceeded to put John outside in the snow. Not expecting Karen to show up and blow their cover. There wasnt enough injuries to show a plow hit him!

[@denisemccourt9588]

Yeah I’ve thought this from the very start of all this…also they keep on saying she was drunk but so was everyone else drinking..they keep saying they don’t remember in answer to all the questions by the defence ….how convenient….all people in the house got their story together…I think they’re as guilty as hell.

[@BoxerClover]

no dog DNA tho.

[@karinaz8756]

Can we PLEASE stop doing this? That’s literally the point. The prosecution claims Karen hit John with her car and killed Him. That same prosecution has YET to reenact the car accident. No one can articulate which part of the car caused each and every one of John’s injuries . We are five weeks into the trial and people are still asking questions of how he died. We call that - reasonable doubt.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

seems everyone involved was probably drunk - i mean everyone

[@kjnest]

It both could have happened! She backed into him knocking him out and the when drunk Higgins left he hit him in the back of the head with his plow?

[@patricktitters]

She's guilty

[@susanq7870]

KR is going free because of a botched police investigation. But, if she said he went into the house.. Why was she looking for him on the street? Why did it even come into her mind that she might have hit him? In her nightline interview she admitted that she said "did I hit him"? We can see that she's reactive then regrets her rash actions. Just would love to see KR answer some questions.

[@EC-dz3fb]

Thank you!!!

[@bettybg1051]

This was an awful accident and everyone was drinking! I don't see intent or a conspiracy...I see a drunk bad driver though.

[@hipyshit]

Where? 0 proof she was drunk or hit John those are attack marks on his arm

[@BoxerClover]

@@hipyshit proven by lab technician that kr was waaaay over the limit.

[@DesignRhythm]

No, John was beaten to death. Nothing to do wth an SUV or Snow Plow.

[@hipyshit]

@@BoxerClover wrong she wasn't even. the tech said difference from serum to blood level go back and watch again His injuries aren't from a vehicle

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

@@BoxerClover Are you one of the ones who murdered O'Keefe?

[@337lonewolf]

I think most of the witnesses said she wasn’t or didn’t super drunk.

[@BoxerClover]

except the technician tasked with testing her BAC.

[@AustinD333]

The scratches on O'Keefe Arm are from the contact with concrete & jagged rocks in the asphalt. As someone who Skateboards and has crashed a motorcycle, I know what it looks like.

[@ShirlBussman]

Another theory that should be considered.

[@DesignRhythm]

LoL, no. They are not scratches. They are tears from a dog. Did u even look closely at the photos?

[@meleahmcfall]

@@DesignRhythm there was no dog dna found.

[@DesignRhythm]

@@meleahmcfall You can't be serious. They collected blood in beer pong cups ffs... does that sound like a thorough investigation? Why do u think they got rid of Chloe before the morning? Lord help you.

[@JW007100]

He was wearing a heavy long sleeved sweatshirt, google dog bites on click images and you will see identical wounds that JO had. The dog got in on the fight and grabbed arm.

[@chrissyellem7397]

Great show and guests.

[@Illfigureitoutlater-sx3vp]

Everyone needs to put pressure on the FEDS to get the guilty ones Jen n ALBERTS and Higgins

[@BoxerClover]

feds already investigated & only found proctor 2 need a reprimand. [he shoulda been fired.]

[@Pippie807]

@@BoxerCloverreally? Their investigation is done and completed?

[@BoxerClover]

@@Pippie807 what do u think that 300-page document was?

[@luannewilson5570]

Clearly the Prosecutor gave a break in manslaughter. She didn't want to :)

[@hipyshit]

Because she's innocent drrrrr

[@RealTigress]

Boy they just keep milking this don’t they? Smh ooh ooh maybe it was a bear!!

[@silversmoke6]

Well considering he wasn't hit by Reads SUV, people are going to speculate.

[@RealTigress]

@@silversmoke6 ahh, well according to her lawyer it was and it was an accident, until they upped the charges to murder. So maybe get the facts instead of speculating or parroting the misinformation being used as a grift across YT

[@MissteryDiva]

​@@RealTigress @attorneymelanielittle did an interview with a K-9 trainer who said John O'Keefe's arm injuries match identical to German Shepherd bites. Brian & Colin & Higgins brought John to basement.John reported Colin for dealing drugs which led to his arrest- MOTIVE‼️Jen googled"How long to die in cold" 2:27&6.Autopsy show John was beaten to death, dog bites & hypothermia

[@notthatniki_og]

@@MissteryDiva exactly!! 👏👏👏👏

[@annjanovsky8054]

They did loads of unknowingly butt hits so why not unknowingly snowplough hits especially as they were all driving stupid drunk

[@chilenitaprotrump]

I appreciate all those watching this trial from overseas. It deserves ALL the attention because this travesty happens in every corner of the world. Any one of us can find ourselves in Karen's predicament at the drop of a dime, and most are unable to successfully defend them/ourselves because it's costly. Let Karen Read go... so she could sue all of them including the judge for bias.

[@BoxerClover]

true but that's not what u really care about.

[@chilenitaprotrump]

@BoxerClover You don't know me personally, so speak for yourself or keep your opinion to yourself. Have a great day.

[@cullenfamily4312]

why don't you ask about Trooper Proctor and WHY he is not taking the stand

[@RichGagliardi]

The Defense is free to subpoena Proctor too. I sure hope they will! ✌

[@NEnigma777]

Oh God, another theory. I wanted to believe Karen but this is getting ridiculous. They’re just blaming everyone win no evidence to support it. I’m starting to think she did run him over.

[@BoxerClover]

agreed. they're flinging out theories 2 see which 1 might stick.

[@kgraham5820]

Will the people who perjured themselves and destroyed evidence ever be held accountable??

[@EC-dz3fb]

Only if KR's found guilty.

[@Diddoo11]

There is no evidence that she was intoxicated that night. 😮

[@BoxerClover]

'no evidence'? guess u didn't see the testimony of lab technician responsible 4 testing kr's BAC.

[@Babyd320]

Blood levels from hospital said so

[@EC-dz3fb]

Not true. There's proof, in fact.

[@SuperNCCC]

Just realized something. BH left BA's home in the middle of a snowstorm with a jeep equipped with a plow and headed to the police station to exchange the jeep for a vehicle that didn't have a plow. Wouldn't it be more logical to keep the jeep with the plow on it during a snowstorm? BH'S story has so many holes.

[@katrinat.3032]

That’s exactly what I thought!! He said he likes to plow his friend’s driveway. So on the night of a blizzard you decide to leave your snow plow parked there? That’s crazy

[@startwithurfeet]

3 witnesses in the f150 didn't see his Jeep/plow.

[@HerbieCassidy]

there's proof that is no cover up, Higgins kept his phone for 8 months, how could but dials for just for just seconds amount to cover up, BSc 1 told us what she did as well as her best friends

[@cynthiaosborne6039]

Why is the court allowing cheering and clapping? Ridiculous

[@rileighchristine_]

His two black eyes and head trauma are concerning.

[@wend5678]

Not sure what that attorney was talking about, everyone with her said she didn’t seem intoxicated, so where he pulled that one from is beyond me. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@roseyb]

Exactly was he watching a different trial 🤔

[@RichGagliardi]

Unfortunately the lab results showed her intoxication. I don’t want to believe it but there's really no dodging that. ✌

[@wend5678]

@@RichGagliardiI am referring to what he said that everyone on the stand said she was, they didn’t, that’s incorrect. The BAC is report is unreliable and the hospital blood draw also has its own issues, my friend is a phlebotomist. Seems like lots of adults were driving intoxicated that day/night. Even if she did hit him, I don’t believe the CW has proved the charge of murder as they haven’t proved intent at all.

[@adriennem7927]

Been saying that since day 1. Maybe, this is morbid, but MA has had plow driver hit n runs before. If there's a way to get autopsy pics of how they look bcuz he could of gotten hit by karen, but hed not have died from it. Unless he fell, she hit him, couldn't see him, (if no camera back up) and the hit made him fall into hydrant. No broken anything but his poor face. Two diff hits by 2 diff vehicles. I dont know why anyone from house would want to hurt John. The kids, or Higgins or anyone else. But it was not that dark, its always brite when it snows so ???? Thats all i have right now.

[@petahmcdee6869]

Throwing all the options out - maybe if they were so innocent- and they are ALL cops or partners of cops- WHY WHY throw out your phones!

[@steve8383]

If she was so drunk how the hell did she drive her SUV 24 mph in reverse and just hit him and nothing else. It’s totally bullshit that she was able to do that drunk or sober

[@Deem60]

What did the ME say caused the marks on his arm? Dog bites or scrapes from snow plow?

[@BoxerClover]

no dog DNA so couldn't be that.

[@OldBiker54]

Jenn was intoxicated also,,they all were

[@debbieblair3329]

No one said she smelled of alcohol or acted intoxicated

[@BoxerClover]

when did any1 say or even insinuate that jm was intoxicated?

[@Gle7799]

There are 2 plows

[@Planet_Shel]

✔️

[@KathleenHelms-nq1vk]

Wonder how much they are paying the snowplow driver to take the blame?

[@BoxerClover]

who? defense?