MARSHALL JCM800 2203 vs JVM 410H

[@truthfactreality6814]

Jvm410h all day. I’ve had 2 over the years(had to sell first 1 due to money issues). Soon rebought it. It’s one of the greatest Marshall amps ever made

[@EugeValovirta230V]

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[@bmark7951]

You don’t ever sell gear for money.. unless it’s for other gear..figure something else out

[@django-unchained]

The 410h has same curcuits as the plexi/800/900/2000 on different channels + a new true clean (green clean channel has no real dist). The only difference is they added a proper Pre Amp Volume control so you can actually pump the MV tube and keep pre amp volume at around 1 for playing at home. The whole reason they made it was to replicate all the previous big models into one therefor the circuit board is same + proper pre amp volume. (check manual for it) It's amazing when you know how to tune it in!

[@bludredrobin4900]

I love that you were honest in your demo about preferring the 800. Very refreshing. Both sounded amazing and you are an awesome guitar player!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Glad to hear! Thanks!

[@bojangles4704]

He liked a JCM 2000 more than a JVM so its not really saying much

[@bludredrobin4900]

@@bojangles4704 I prefer the JVM over the 2000, but I can see how some may prefer the 2000 for being more raw and open sounding.

[@tabodee]

The JVM can’t quite capture the authentic, aggressive 800 vibe... but then again let’s see the 800 try to come close the JVM’s clean channel. I think you said it best the 800 is a very good one trick pony. The JVM is very good at versatility. Both sound incredible. Whichever is the right tool for you! Thanks for the video-nicely done!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed 👌. Thanks!

[@MegaWumba]

The biggest differences are just in terms of compression and gain. The 800 definitely has that "opened up bite" to it, and probably cuts through better but still the winner for me is the JVM. It simply does it all

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Both are great amps indeed 💪

[@Magnetorr]

JVM can do everything you want, from pop to country to the darkest and heaviest metal. If you want it to sound more agressive and "in your face" just dial the presence, treble and mid, put away a bit of bass and its a killer machine. Also throw in an EQ and it blows minds. I have one 410, sure the 800 is pure love but for me as a Marshall super fan, the 410h does everything, you just have to dial it a bit and maybe like in the 800 add some pedal, but not many.

[@satchrules101]

I like the jvm , but fuck way to many channels..

[@Magnetorr]

@@satchrules101 And whats the problem here? Just use the ones that suit you and thats it. I have 3 modes set into my pedalboard and I use those 3. Clean, rythm and lead.

[@satchrules101]

@@Magnetorr Thats true ..

[@69mosshead]

Had a JVM410H for years, absolutely love it so much you can do with that monster.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

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[@cope847]

I have the JVM205H and absolutely love it. It's the closest I can get to the 800 tone on my budget. Also like he says it's very versatile.

[@Nghilifa]

I love the 800. It's great. I currently have an AFD100 that I want to sell, so right now I'm thinking of getting a JVM. The reason for that is that I play different styles and with the JVM I can get a Plexi style tone, an 800-ish tone, a Jubilee-ish tone as well as heavier thrashier tones as well. Since I'm not a professional touring-musician, I prefer to have something that is versatile at this stage.. My favorite amp is just a Superlead Plexi through Greenback speakers, the 2203/2204 circuit coming in at 2nd place. Thanks for making these videos!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

It is! Yeah JVM & JCM2000TSL are like the Swiss knifes of Marshalls 👍. Thanks!

[@reneotten7376]

Yes, get a JVM they are the best. I am even happy with the JVM1h. I bought two 2203 and a 2205 after that but they don't add much tone for me. If I had to pick one Marshall amp it would be the JVM.

[@derrickmdoyle]

I literally just sold my AFD100 and looking to get the JVM as well LOL.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

@@derrickmdoyle \m/

[@frankie.d1127]

Both amps are killer. There’s def a difference in the circuitry- which is where I think that unique 800 growl comes from imo. Great playing too bro! 🤘🏼

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed 👌. Thanks!

[@reneotten7376]

Too bad KZbin makes everything sound the same, these amps sound so much better in the real.

[@tommorris2771]

Use headphones they sound way different

[@lhzx]

As an user of both, I would compare the two with jvm's presence and resonance turned off to zero. With these 2 engaged, as the amp designer suggested, the amp is meant to sound very different than the old ones. They are basically 2 extra EQs that exaggerate your tone to sound modern scooped aross all channels, so with them on you cant really get a classic marshall tone even for clean and od no matter how hard you try.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Don’t remember what settings I used on the JVM but whatever they were I guess they were the ones I liked the most = closest to 2203 IMO 😎

[@loryriga]

I watched all your jvm videos and friday I finally got my 410h. I'm getting some killer tones out of it with emgs. It feels like having all the marshalls in one and more. I get it's not the same as an 800 or a jtm but for someone who doesn't wanna have a marshall for each type of sound tjis one does them all! Sparkling cleans, nice breakups, crunchy crunches, compressed crunches, normal overdrives, insane overdrives, dark sounds, bright sounds...not to mention the footswitch...full tone contril6and flexibility but sacrificing very little (imo)

[@techdeathhippie6319]

Jvm is like an old Mesa Mark 4 . It takes time but there’s So many tones to be found

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed 👌🔥

[@techdeathhippie6319]

I love Marshall so much !

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Likewise 👌😎

[@Jbeland1]

Spot on. Ppl aren’t into spending time to find the sweet spots. Instant gratification required. Fine by me. I hope they get cheap as fuck I’ll buy all the jvms

[@RicardoGarcia-zk3zp]

If You arr gonna Buy one Marshall and You play metal .....i really recomended JVM 410 ❤🎉

[@GraffitiPhysical]

Great work Euge and a really nice comparison. Like yourself I've got a Marshall JCM800 2203 and it sounds amazing. I put different guitars and pedals in from to get a different sound. The MXR GT-OD is really one of the ones I like. It's matched so well along with a vintage Marshall Governor pedal, bliss.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks John! 🙏👌

[@Moirchester]

And Pepita is even more attentive after the summer vacations near the lake :) lucky owl :)

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed! 😁👍

[@allanh46]

what a fkn solo at the end! fk yea! talk about a celebration of a magnificent amp. must give it a go

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! Yeah!

[@chrisday5341]

Damn that tone is fucking brutal! Good shit man!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! Yeah! 🤘

[@christopher.k.guitar]

I just bought a JCM800 2203 Reissue. Let’s see when Covid19 allows it to arrive. I can’t wait…

[@EugeValovirta230V]

That’s the way! 💪😎

[@thediminish8517]

I was surprised that the jvm amp was better than I expected. When I used a jvm amp, I thought it was so much bad like POD xt live or GT-6 of boss. I own the jmp mk2 2203. It was mush better than jvm. I can feel the difference between the two amplifiers in this video as well, but the difference is smaller than I expected.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yeah it’s a good & solid amp. Pretty much like many Marshalls in one. But a good ol’ JCM800 2203 is always a good ol…😎💪.

[@christianutter5383]

I was prepared for the 8hundo to crush this comparison but that was surprisingly close. Preamp tubes shouldn't degrade like pwramp tubes, they just go bad and when they do you'll notice. Sidenote: ENGL doesn't own a tube factory (no amp builder does). I've read they're rebranded Sovteks. Never really used the green mode on JVM, have to give that a try. Still yet to test new tubes, dunno where to start. So many choices =).

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yeah I know. Uraltone said ENGL’s are JJ’s so that would explain a lot ’cos I like JJ’s a lot 😊

[@christianutter5383]

@@EugeValovirta230V Ok JJ. I trust UT =)

[@EugeValovirta230V]

👍😊

[@OG96932]

my personal choice is amps that have the 6l6 tubes, over the el34 .. my jcm900slx with 6l6 tubes kicks the jvm410.. the jvm410 has el34 . I think the jvm410 is also suited to guitars with passive pickups over active.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

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[@Ramo_Baramia]

Hey Egue I need jcm800 in my life, which one shall I go for 2203 or 2210? I like metal and don't care too much about clean stuff and I will boost them with either sd1 or gt-od . thanks for your expertise. :~)

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Hey Ramo. I’d go with the real deal, which is 2203. 2210 is a bit more sophisticated and not as ballsy as the one and only 2203 💪.

[@eriksardela6344]

Jvm is amazing!

[@frankwren8215]

Very good comparison. I wonder if the JVM could get the same sound with the presence boosted slightly? I do find the stock preamp tubes in the JVM are a little dull sounding as well. I run mine with a GE7 in the FX loop to hype the top end a bit.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! Pretty damn close at least.

[@zoomzoom3950]

My JVM410H sounds great, really needs the power section opened up IMO. It covers all the Marshall tones I want and more. That said, my favorite Marshall after all these years is still the SLP; I have a 1959HW full stack. Yes the JVM410H and even my Origin 50 can get that SLP sound, but not the rawness IMO. I'd guess it's the same for those who like other Marshalls, the JVM410H sounds great but just missing that last 5% - 10% compared to the actual amps.

[@cjfinnigan1]

Love the video comparison very specific and detailed also, was wondering is the od1 orange or red the JCM900 tone roughly? Any help would be greatly appreciated cheers.

[@stevenanddaisysjourney8922]

I find my JVM is a more defined marshall sound than the others like DSL/TSL etc. So im thinking Euge is likely hearing a difference in clarity

[@Mister_Greg]

How was the resonance set on the JVM? Your 2203 is a beast. One of the best I’ve ever heard. My guess is that most of the magic is happening in the poweramp. You mentioned in another video that the plate voltage is unusually high, which should affect the preamp section as well. Otherwise the 2203 is stock? The amount of gain is unreal. Almost as if the cathode on V2a is bypassed. Circuit wise, JVM Crunch Orange is looks to be the closest to the 2203 although the schematic isn’t easy to follow. However it is still not the same.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

I don’t remember anymore since it’s been a while since I did this video 😎. It is indeed 💪.

[@ConradMH]

Sounds great my friend!!!!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks C!

[@ConradMH]

You are wellcome E!!!!

[@shredding51]

They both sound good!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed 👍

[@y2ksierra]

I don’t notice a huge difference. But it’s hard to concentrate on minute differences when I’m in awe of your skill when it comes to playing.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😎🙏

[@mattyvb1]

That first Riff you play, is that just straight through the 800 or are you using pedals, dumb question. But is that sound just pure sound of jcm800 head. Cheers

[@5150forevermore]

I would love to hear this comparison but the JVM with the Negative Feedback Mod.

[@sahanulgen7214]

Great comparison, thanks! Santiago Alvarez the designer of jvm says that he got the jcm infront of him and worked from there. I clearly hear same type of drive same character, jvm a bit thicker jcm a bit more biting

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! 🤟💪

[@vladzubac5360]

the JVM stock has JJs..but not so great...the reason the 800 sounds like that is because of the ENGL (also difference in the circuitry, no matter how close the JVM is on a setting to the 800, the 800 has a thing on its own. Alwasy enjoying your comparisons and videos :) Cheers!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks & cheers!

[@markince656]

you wouldn't need any other amps if you have these two. My favorite by far is the 410!

[@gilbertostefan]

With 43 years old, i'm was, obviously, influenced by the jcm 800 around the decades and achieve one of them was my first goal . This is the holy graal of metal marshalls BUT, in the end of the day, since i listened the jvm410h i was stucked by his versatility and match with my rock music. After listen thousands of videos, what i ansewerd to my questions was: jcm 800 is more matchbale with music not to much complex in terms of speed, counterpoint and low range than jcm. The clear sound of jvm is more fitness to those qualityes i think. What i can say is: if ones want heavy sounds, with dark and massive low frequencies, play music like doom metal or death metal without compromisse with very intelegible melodic and harmonic lines, go to jcm 800, but, if your music needs face of polifonic or poliritms with much clarity, goes to jvm. I don't have the truth, just the one who maches with my musical thoughts... Great video Euge! Thanks. Ps: someday i will achieve an jcm 800 to increase my colours...😁

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! To me amps just amplifies what is feed into them. If I play blues they do blues, if I play extreme metal they do extreme metal and so on 👌😎. Different amps do that in a bit different ways obviously 😊. My favourites are 800 2203 & 1987X Plexi 👌.

[@gilbertostefan]

@@EugeValovirta230V fair enough, as long as it is your thoughts. Thanks again for this video, helps me a lot!🤗

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Glad to hear that! 🙏

[@alromano3584]

Great tone! Love Marshall amps! A comparison between the JCM 2203 and JCM 2210 would be nice...

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! Me too :-). If I get my hands on 2210 I'd definitely do a comparison \m/

[@christianutter5383]

The thing with 2 channel JCM800s is that they sound different depending on what year it was made. 2210 and 2205.

[@alromano3584]

@@christianutter5383 I agree! The only amp I that I regret selling was a 1987 2205. It was a good one.

[@user-ck8pb2np5w]

So what Amps did Chiemi Ishimoto use then ??? Did you know a fact which is always right no matter what ? The more you love an Amp , the heavier it gets and I am not talking about music I am talking of serious Kg in weight ! When you go into a guitar center, you just have to say , you get me the tube amp head got the highest weight and you found the Amp you love, you do not even need to spend time Test playing it.

[@aaaargl]

Great video Euge! I also thought that the JVM got close, but never the same as the 800. Could you check out a Peavey Windsor and Laney AOR amps? They where made to be like cheaper alternatives to the 800. I played both, and liked the sounds i got from them. Would be interesting to get your opinion on them.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks! Indeed. If I get my hands on those amps I'd definitely check the out. Would be interesting indeed \m/

[@steffkeirn5017]

Hey Euge, love your videos! Got a question for you. Looking to get a Marshall JVM410 or 205 but i dont know what cab to pair it up with. Love the Marshall sound but i know the amps are bright and im kinda hesitent about choosing a cab without hearing it (all nearby stores have nearly nothing in stock for me to compare). So i was wondering what cab would you choose for a JVM or JCM. Vintage 30s, G12M or even something with Eminance?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks man! My favourites are Mesa w/ V30s, Marshall w/ V30s or Greenback 25s and I really like my Fryette Fat Bottom w/ Eminence P50Es which are kinda like a mix of V30 & Greenbacks 👌.

[@jeffoberleguitar]

speaking of cab recomendations for the jvm lol....i had a mode four cab that i played mine thru. (jvm410h) it did not have the original speakers though. ...the mode four cab was basically an oversized cab. like the mesa recto oversized. same thing. i had 2 vintage 30 speakers (out of a 1960 vintage) and 2 weber legacy speakers in my cab that i ordered from weber myself. 16 ohm 65 watt 55hz cones 50oz magnets. large H dustcaps. greenback type speakers but i ordered specs to fill out the low end. the fuckin thing was NICE! sounding! its a random suggestion but i've played guitar for decades and having sold that amp a month ago and decided i must have another lol....that set up was just about the best i've ever heard. if you want to shave off a bit of the midrange growl -- maybe substitute g12t75's in place of my vintage 30's. but personally i grew to love the insane raunchiness of rock and roll lol

[@jeffoberleguitar]

i still have a few videos on my computer. ill post them sometime soon. but i totally suggest an oversized cab with V30's amd greenback type speakers lol

[@thecase1975]

How about your 2203 vs sc20h. Very very curious for that comparison. Great videos btw!!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

If I get my hands on one definitely! Glad to hear thanks!

[@thecase1975]

Euge Valovirta amazing! The 2203 is out of my price range here in Cad. Curious as to how the sc20h holds up against the king. Give it the Euge touch and see if you can bring it to life.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😎👍

[@Nghilifa]

@@thecase1975 Some folks say that the SC20H has a bit less high-end and more mids, but that it sounds great. Check out this guy's channel, he has a comparison of a SC20H and a 2204: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH-yiJyFoJekjbs

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Gotta check it out 🤘

[@kennylongnose4001]

I really like the sound of the guitars in the Primal Fear riffs and researching a bit I read somewhere that until recently they used the Engl Savage & Engle E530 and I almost decided to buy the Savage 60 and then I read Alex Beyrodt’s statement saying every tone can draw with the JVM410 !? 😁 And now I'm caught like a mule between two layers of hay. It seems to be 410. I guess the sound from 410C will not be the same as when 410H blows through a cab of 4 speakers ... thanks for the video work, they are interesting, one sees and learns everything new. Just keep going! 👌

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Thanks man!

[@kennylongnose4001]

@@EugeValovirta230V I didn't mean to be rude to you when I mentioned the sound of Primal Fear ... I often listen to them and occasionally steal a riff, but at the same time I really like the riffs and licks & tricks you show during the demonstration and comparison of amplifiers. Do you think the difference in sound between the 410 combo and the half stack version of the 410 will be very noticeable? I prefer the combo because the 4x12 cabinet can't fit in my car .. thanks again.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😎👌

[@shred5]

The JVM may have more gain on tap, four channels and every feature under the sun and the moon but your demo makes it quite clear - the JCM 800 is still the king. It is possible that it's tubes too, but if you're using a JJ in the preamp in the JCM 800, I couldn't imagine what could be in the JVM that could make it much squishier so I highly doubt it. Is your JCM800 running 6L6s or 6550s? Cause that would do it...

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed. The 800 I was using on this video has EL34s. The other one has 6550s 👌.

[@shred5]

@@EugeValovirta230V Wow! I had guessed it might be the other way around since the JCM 800 was so much tighter, which leads me to believe if they both had EL34s, the JCM 800 would have won even harder!

[@emireroler4018]

How does JVM sound at bedroom volume? Is it usabe at home with the help of the master volume?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

I haven’t found a 100 watt tube amp that sounds good master volume low but luckily there’s great attenuators & load boxes nowadays which makes it possible to crank the master and play at any level 😎👌.

[@robertmazurowski5974]

I Just Sold JVM410h last week and got the studio Classic JCM 800 20 watt today, 600 euro on a black friday sale. This amp only lacks the feel of 100 watt head, but otherwise blows the JVM out of the water

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Nice! 💪🔥

[@guitarlife6190]

How are you liking the 20 watt version? Is it loud enough to play in a band setting?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Those are great and definitely loud enough: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rGaqqKhaqFsMk

[@stephaneaudet]

Hi Euge , the JVM is excellent for me.Check your tubes in your JVM Euge.Me i prefer E34L but you have 6550 in your 800.The JVM are very very close.It's a beast.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

That’s the most important thing 👌. I just borrowed the JVM from a friend to do the video so I don’t have one 😎. But a great amp like pretty much all Marshalls 💪.

[@stephaneaudet]

@@EugeValovirta230V The 800 are original it'sure but i don't want pay 3000$ use for 800.The JVM with MXR GT-OD and E34L ouch Euge.I have some misery with the peoples who say "the modern sound"I was probably bying JVM210H Dual.YES.

[@stephaneaudet]

@@EugeValovirta230V I have Mesa Boogie traditional cabinet with UK speakers.

[@kjylha]

yeah!!! now we talking about!!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed! :-)

[@JeremyKozleyGTR]

Euge, can you make a comparsion JVM vs ENGL Ritchie Blackmore please? or Fireball. I would love to try and decide between them but where I live it is impossible.

[@vincelupone]

As a life-long Mesa player, Euge makes me want to buy a room full of old Marshalls.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Good 😎.

[@bekot2813]

Is 800 2023 reissue the same as the vintage one? Is the reissue still made in UK or in China like all other Marshalls these days?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yeah they’re made in UK and are pretty much the same than the original vertical input ones. The og horizontal input ones were slightly more aggressive. At least in my experience and I’ve played tens, probably hundreds, of different 800s through the years 😎.

[@bekot2813]

@@EugeValovirta230V Thank you bro🙂

[@heythere6983]

Some old 800s have switches in the back for different voltages right? I almost bought an 800 a few years ago from a European country (I’m from US) and they didn’t know if it could work for my outlets right away for me or if I had to take it to a tech . I’m thinking if it has the switches for different European and US power Than it can do both by simply moving the switch?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

I have never seen one with such switches but a simple voltage transformer will work. I have a few US voltage amps (5150, ADA MP1) and have those transformers (from 230 to 110) and they work great. You just plug the amp’s power cord to the device and the device to the wall.

[@thecase1975]

I found the same “not quite punchy” quality in my 410. I put new tubes in it (jj’s) and I still found the same lack of punch compared to my TSL. The 410 (boosted) I use for FuManchu type stuff. The TSL (boosted) I use for metal, FF, Lamb of God type stuff

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yeah TSL is a very good amp and totally underrated.

[@texxhexxmm]

@@EugeValovirta230V i Set the tubes new Order toady: V1: Ruby 12AX7WBC HG+(that Tube!!!) V2: Tung Sol ECC83 V3: Marshall 12AX7 V4: Tung Sol ECC 803 Power AMP : Svetlana EL34 Believe me ,i tried some Tubes but this Ruby in V1( before the AC5 HG+ ,the wbc is Bit less Gain,but jut perfect) Bass Response and High Gain so sweet now with the TSL.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Cool! Maybe I need to try this too 😊

[@thecase1975]

M. Miro I will try this too! Did it tighten up and add some punch of the 410?

[@texxhexxmm]

@@thecase1975 i do not own 410. ;Sorry fo TSL offropic :). But this Ruby WBC HG+ is awesome. The AC5 HG+ was to harsh in V1.

[@dannylynch7741]

Toss some nos tubes and a beafy power transformer in the jvm... Ya might have the magic then... 🎩

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😎👌

[@chadpreslar7152]

The 800 does have the more aggressive and tighter tone. I have to wonder if it just needs to be dialed in.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

That’s the beauty of a good ol’ 800 2203 😎💪.

[@yourockchannel6245]

What is the thing with the vertical and horizontal Inputs on the jcm 800 2203s?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Design: www.sweetwater.com/insync/the-history-of-the-legendary-marshall-jcm800-2203/

[@yourockchannel6245]

Thanks! Do you know something about the later manufactured 2203s? Maybe 86- 94 years?

[@yourockchannel6245]

Could you tell more about this filter capacitor thing ?

[@TomiDee1]

Hey, do not compare channels 3 and 4 in JVM, only channel 2 in red mode, this is equivalent to jcm 800 tone. Regards.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Well...I already did 😉. Channel 3 in green mode was the closest to my 800s. IMO. Regards.

[@TomiDee1]

@@EugeValovirta230V OK, I thought so :) thanks.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😊👍

[@bbck15]

@@EugeValovirta230V hi, according to Santiago (who designed the JVM) OD1 green is similar to crunch red. this was done to get 2 similar channels with different Eq settings. the JVM can also be easily be modded to get that JCM crunch, the higher gain channels do lose some of their tightness though. cheers!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Ok thanks! I borrowed the amp from a friend just to do a few videos and of course it was nice to check it out and play a few days 👍😎

[@RicardoGarcia-xw4bj]

Jvm I love it I got it and I know ITS THE BEST amp

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Can’t agree with personal preferences 😉👍.

[@RicardoGarcia-xw4bj]

@@EugeValovirta230V any way you make both sound nice but I saw you prifer the jcm 800 more... But for my tras metal sound better the JVM eith boss GT 100 four method cableand you play awesome man 🤗😉✌️🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘✌️

[@EugeValovirta230V]

🙏👍😎

[@juanh9350]

That 800 souds killer, what year is it ?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yeah! 1984 Here’s more info if you’re interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6SQdZdveJKnpNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3qZn4ePeKqjjNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYC2c2SKoK6radE

[@firstboyonthemoon8876]

Which year is the 2203? A reissue or vintage?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

1984: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6SQdZdveJKnpNE

[@texxhexxmm]

Glad that i did not buy an JVM 410!!! I own a TSL100,DSL50 and JCM 900 MKIII 50Watt. JVM may ha lot of options, but it lacks definition and resolution in Highs and Mids plus highmids.. Your JCM 800 and the ones i own ,blow the JVM away. Total BS ,that JVM has all Marshall tones in the pocket ;)))

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Great amps you have! I agree :-).

[@thecase1975]

Wish I would have done the same. I sold my TSL and got the JVM. I begged the guy to sell me the TSL back!!! Lesson learned $1800(cad) and one jvm later :(

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😬😎

[@SlinkyT82]

2203 crushes! Great vid!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed! Thanks!

[@mazklassa9338]

I've heard the common belief that the JVM is particularly "noisy" on the higher gain settings. Is that true would you say?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Not any noisier than amps in general on high gain settings if I remember correct ’cos it’s been a while when I had the amp (borrowed it from a friend for a few YT videos).

[@mazklassa9338]

@Jamie Best thank you Jamie

[@danedgar1539]

Yeah its noisy for sure, but add in an isp decimator and its worth it for the raw really stage versatillity in my opinion. The problem is, they have gain stacked the jvm too much. If you do the very simple negative feedback mod, youve definantly got a jcm800 with low noise and all the extra shit the jvm can do, youll never need or want another amp

[@shredgd5]

Hi, how do you set your 2203 eq knobs?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

By ear so it changes a bit from time to time: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHTbnaaaeteZqs0

[@62SG]

In my humble opinion, the 800 is what the JVM wishes it was. Yes the JVM has an apparently wider featureset but in practice, does it? It just seems like presets made for people who don't want to use an OD, or use the volume control on their guitar (that's the only clean "channel" I need!). I call that an illusion of versatility.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

I agree completely. \m/

[@christianutter5383]

I agree and I own both.

[@nikovlahou2553]

I think my 410H kicks the crap out of my 2203. Its so much more versatile, esp in OD2. Love the 800....but man the 410H just does so much more. I lut Mercury transformers and a choke in my 410H. Also using vintage 30's Play a JVM410 through a dimarzip evolution pickup and it will shred your face off.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

That’s great man! Whatever does the job the best 🤟💪.

[@marcoferraris9937]

Hello Friends ! The JVM can emulate the JCM, but the JCM cannot compete with all effects of the JVM

[@EugeValovirta230V]

By all you mean the reverb? 😁. JCM800 definitely can’t compete with that since my old ones doesn’t even have the effect loop but that’s secondary anyway since they sound so good 💪😎.

[@marcoferraris9937]

Of course, it depends on the musical genre you want to get: for a trash / metal you have to use the effect upstream of the preamp on the JCM, on the JVM you use the loop with the effects or just input jack and it can already be enough, then it is true that the majority of musicians generally use pedals or a multi-effect, here nothing is as before and the amplifier becomes no longer basic, but this is another matter, which is obvious from this demonstration.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Indeed 👌🎼🎸.

[@stevedixon8567]

od2 orange did sound a lot like the sd-1 boosted 800.. interesting

[@jeffoberleguitar]

i had a jvm410h for years just sold it a few weeks ago and already want it back lol.... but the crunch channel on the jvm is the channel that has the jcm preamp so why not use the crunch channel to compare them? the crunch channel on the one i had was so thick and punchy it hit you in the chest. the red mode on it sounded like the judas priest dvd live vengeance 82 🎶🎸🎶 ....but yes i had some nice preamp tubes in it - they make a big difference.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

It’s been quite a while when I did this video so I have no idea anymore what & why I did what I did 😁. It probably sounded closest to me 😎.

[@jeffoberleguitar]

@@EugeValovirta230V ha...cool...well cool videos man i actually didn't even know about the suhr direct in load thing until i watched your video on somewhere in time tone - now i want my jvm back and one of those things lol 😅 ...i used to have a few videos up but i took my youtube page down nobody watched them 😅

[@EugeValovirta230V]

👌🤟😊

[@EM-km8em]

What has been the closest amp to the jcm800 in your opinion ?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

BluGuitar’s AMP1 Iridium which is my main live amp. It’s so close to my 800 Bad Boy that it’s hard to tell the difference. Here’s a few videos I’ve done about it if you’re interested: - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmO2f4V3h8ybp68 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYWyg3Wtn7d6lZo - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3rTlplsor95icU

[@EM-km8em]

@@EugeValovirta230V i will check it out! What would be a second and third choice in order? Thank you🙏

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Don’t know about that. 800 is 800 and if you want that I’d get an 800 or the AMP1. Well actually Mesa Mark V’s second channel on the Crunch mode does it pretty well. There’s probably some others too but nothing comes to mind now 😎.

[@EM-km8em]

@@EugeValovirta230V does the blueguitar amp1 mercury edition come close ? Thats the only one i found local for $600

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Yes.

[@Zero_thehero]

couldn't tell the diff blind folded

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Marshall’s done a great job 👌😎.

[@mattreum4271]

Is the jvm 210 just as good as the 410? Tone and gain wise

[@EugeValovirta230V]

I haven’t compared them side by side but I did a video a while ago about the 210 and it did the job just fine👌💪: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3u6YoynbJmhpdE

[@mattreum4271]

@@EugeValovirta230V ok awesome man I’m gonna check it out I didn’t see you had that video!! The chance just came up for me to get a used 410 for the same I could a 210. Would I be letting one get away if I didn’t take the 410? Never played so your opinion is muchhh appreciated!! Love your vids and playing aswell man!!

[@hootowl6354]

Could you make it bigger and put more knobs on it, please. While you're at it, make it heavier too.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

😁😁😁

[@mindofown]

Euge If I had your skills talent application and fingers then I might be able to make my guitars and amps sound as good as your sound

[@EugeValovirta230V]

That is very true since majority of the tone & sound comes from the player’s hands 😎👌.

[@jrusovich]

JVM 410h all day, all night...

[@johnyacclane]

🤘🏼

[@EugeValovirta230V]

🤟

[@KlimatorUzurpator91]

I love my JVM but JCM 800 is my dream :)

[@EugeValovirta230V]

🤘👌😎

[@draper858]

Try comparing a splawn quickrod to your 800. You will be amazed

[@jackslayers]

From many Jvm vs Jcm800 comparison on KZbin.... I found that your comparison is the most similar.... Other youtubers comparison is so different.... jvm sounds a bit dead and 800 is sounding alive....

[@EugeValovirta230V]

🤟🙏

[@mheredia947]

Original 2203 vs Kerry Fucking king 2203 please!

[@EugeValovirta230V]

If I get my hands on KK then for sure! 🤘

[@stephaneaudet]

Is this really fair your comparaison.you have 6550 tubes in the 2203.Come on brother.6550 vs EL34..Put 6550 in the JVM you gonna see the big monster like your 800.I love JVM.A few less of clarity.800 are more treble.

[@andrewplant9206]

have the jvm 205c great amp ,nice cleans and good metal tone but bought the jcm800 studio and it absolutely blows the jvm away. it is easy to get great tone from jcm and harder to get great tone from jvm, too fiddly

[@scottpeters4401]

The JVM is a much “squishier”amp...not nearly as tight as an 800...

[@techdeathhippie6319]

It’s tighter if you leave the gain on like 4 or 5 . They just out an absurd amount of gain on channels 3 and 4

[@scottpeters4401]

@@techdeathhippie6319 I never turn the gain over halfway...it’s just a squishier sounding/feeling amp than my EVH 5150III,which is like a jackhammer in comparison.....I like the JVM,it has its own thing going on..

[@techdeathhippie6319]

@@scottpeters4401 I like my JVM but it lacks opening up roar of jcms

[@scottpeters4401]

@@techdeathhippie6319 of course it does...it’s apples and oranges....one is a raw,single channel amp,the other is a multi channel,multi mode amp....pure,uncluttered signal path in the 800 is gonna sound very different.....The JVM is a different beast altogether....you can get in the ballpark of an 800,but it’s not exactly the same.....just depends on what you are looking for.....

[@notsure1135]

Both are decent.

[@EugeValovirta230V]

👍

[@markus3906]

Is the Jcm 800 modded?

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Not per se but since it’s an old amp (1984), and has been blown up several times during the years, many parts are not obviously original anymore.

[@machannel8746]

Come on dude, you really have to repeat the comparison using the same preamp tubes, PLEASE :)

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Sure if I get my hands on a JVM someday. And even with the same tubes 😎.

[@VanjaSpirin]

JVM is better

[@milanmilicevic4618]

How can anyone hear the difference if you only play that hi gain saturated riff.... let's boost 😂 omg

[@EugeValovirta230V]

🤟🤟🤟More is more 😁😁😁.

[@usernameihavechosen289]

2:43 )

[@EugeValovirta230V]

Username Ihavechosen 😁

[@bigbamboo3445]

for comparisons NO PEDALS SHOULD BE USED

[@marty5088]

I did have some modds done to be fair

[@marty5088]

Johan segeborn will help you to be able to give the marshall jmc 800 a run for it's money..against the marshall jvm might even beat it..just did his setting wow man what a difference..so may way to set marshall jvm i didn't even know about..best marshall ever made with johan help..