Mormon Church Lies about tithing

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@Mustardmanor 10 ай бұрын

Wasn't it Lorenzo snow who also said that someday we wouldn't have to pay tithing at all ? Or was it Joseph fielding smith? I forget now. The church has so much money, it is insane. I worked for the church for many years and it was always a struggle. My team lost half its workforce and we were told to increase production without having more money allotted or getting.more employees. I was tasked with working the job previously held by 5 people. Meanwhile, the church could have added a dozen workers to my team with a couple hours of interest earned. And increased our salaries to a more livable wage. And then they're cheating with fake companies. If a liberal politician did that they'd want prison time. When their church does it, they defend it. Hypocrites.

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

There are some SERIOUS double standards.

@Mustardmanor 10 ай бұрын

@@ubermormon9611 seriously. I could talk for hours on the ridiculousness of the great and spacious building on temple square...

@petrahinkley5489 10 ай бұрын

@@Mustardmanorand think about the many more they are building.

@MichaelSmith-fq3pg 10 ай бұрын

Joseph Fielding Smith said that in 1907.

@SilentThundersnow 10 ай бұрын

It's evil. I was on a meager disability income raising 3 kids alone. I was sure I was exempt, because wasn't tithing for people like me? Boy was I dumb. My bishop said I absolutely had to pay tithing to be worthy. And then one time after 4 years of paying it, I asked for help with a gas bill, and he said, 'you have to ask all your family members for help.' That just wasn't done in my family. But he insisted I ask my sister. She yelled at me for 20 minutes, told me NOW she HAS to help me because she would look bad if she didn't. But I was ruining her life! I kept saying nevermind, it's ok, it's ok, but her image with my bishop mattered to her more than anything. Gross. They're all like that. Not worth it.

@CallMePreet 9 ай бұрын

The "..." thing happens a lot with their current lds church reading materials. It is mind blowing to read the original text. Great video.

@DougVandegrift 9 ай бұрын

good catch, I checked the sources myself and they indeed say this.

@jenna2431 10 ай бұрын

1. Nowhere is tithe defined as INCOME in the bible. It's INCREASE. If you have 10 cows that each birthed a cow baby, you owe 1 cow (1/10th of 10 new cows - not 2 cows for the total of 20 cows you now have). It's not about means. It's about increase - the gains on the value of your time, effort, and resources. 2. There are THREE TITHES in the bible: one to Levites, one to use at Sukkot (the fall festival) to party with, and one to give to widows and orphans in the third year (what they're supposed to do in the other years - who even knows.....) Tell THAT to any Christians LDS or otherwise, and they'll FAINT. 3. A church that can right now today plan/build 300 temples at an average cost of $70MILLION EACH needs to re-evaluate its spending. HOW MANY HOMELESS families would that put a roof over???

@SupremeKa1 10 ай бұрын

Go look how much money they give to charities, I've worked for the charities. It's also not just temples. It's farms, Emergency response, they donate clean water to places with none, The Church provides skill training and resuscitation equipment to doctors, nurses, and midwives. Since 2002, over 168,000 health care workers have been trained in these life-saving techniques. The Church provides training, equipment, and supplies to assist local eye care professionals and programs. Since 2003, 506,000 people have benefitted from Church vision projects throughout the world

@gburt3892 10 ай бұрын

Didn’t faint!! Yay! Basically, what I got out of that is there is a concept of tithing that has been taught and required with all God’s people. So happens that these days we pay on our increase, which you get to define… not the church. And yes things cost a lot … especially temples. Oh, and if the church was only going to use the money I freely give as tithe to give to the homeless, I’d stop paying and just contribute myself. Building the kingdom of god, as a whole, which covers all needs, both small and great, of all his people seems a tad more realistic and fair to those that believe the law of tithing don’t you think? !!

@briandavis6898 10 ай бұрын

You imply that the church checks your records or audits you. They don't.

@thuggie1 10 ай бұрын

i pointed this out over10 years and showed the reference the bishop did not like it but i could back up everything so eventually he stopped arguing with me. they really annoy me they don't even follower their doctrine correctly

@lyndafall8818 10 ай бұрын

It's amazing that church say money is the root of all evil, yet they say that if you don't give the 10% you'll go to hell!

@tonideveraux8484 10 ай бұрын

You caught them in a lie? 😂. No, you didn't. The people don't have to pay tithing. It is up to them. No skeletons here, dude. I wonder what skeletons could be found in your closet.

@lyndafall8818 10 ай бұрын

@tonideveraux8484 I'm not a person of church! Plus, you are a skeleton underneath dork! Come on, sis, all I speak are facts, n you know it!

@happymack6605 10 ай бұрын

@@tonideveraux8484I have to disagree. Neither God nor the Bible lies, but the church does. A lie by omission is still a lie. The hierarchy of the church lies for money and power.

@SupremeKa1 10 ай бұрын

Uh you definitely don't go to hell guy

@lyndafall8818 10 ай бұрын

@SupremeKa1 no guy here Lil gal! Lol

@SilentThundersnow 10 ай бұрын

They also said when the church was out of debt, the Lord would end the law of tithing. It was always temporary. $250 BILLION later.... The Lord of M0rm0nism is still requiring it. A real head scratcher. Why would they lie? 🤪

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

Cui bono?

@royalregal722 9 ай бұрын

For me it was the fact that you get stripped of all the blessings etc, but you still have to tithe 😂😂😂 I was like oh I see what’s going on here. Let me hold on to my filthy lucre 😂😂😂

@krismurphy7711 10 ай бұрын

THE CHURCH IS THE GREATEST EDITOR/OMITTOR ON THE PLANET.

@mysolesmiles 10 ай бұрын

The tithing is tought "you pay on your increase' Just like the Bible. But the small % that does pay a full tithe increase will often pay more then 10%.

@Chris-t7m5t 10 ай бұрын

You mean the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?! The 501c3?!

@Chris-t7m5t 10 ай бұрын

@yamudda88 very informative response. Agree with the definitions and also agree that polygamy and polyamory are both behaviors I would consider wrong/evil and would not participate in. My belief has always been one man and one woman / man and wife, period. I also FULLY support Deuteronomy 24:v1-5. If applicable.

@Chris-t7m5t 10 ай бұрын

@yamudda88 death apples from tree of death. Probably got those green tree snakes slithering up in them also.

@MisterRorschach90 10 ай бұрын

There’s nothing more infuriating than knowing your parents gave away over 10% of their income to a church that treated them and their kids like crap. All while constantly having to let us down and use the phrase “we don’t have any money” for every single instance we wanted or needed something. And would you look at that, the times our family was closest and happiest, when we weren’t going to church and they weren’t giving every extra penny we had to the church. And what’s worse, I’ve always been close to my mom. I know she doesn’t believe this crap. She gets very, very upset when I have brought it up because it’s true and she doesn’t want to deal with it. But she doesn’t believe this crap. She was a nurse. She knows science debunks almost every claim in the Bible. And the only way to continue believing it is deluding yourself and making stuff up.

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

I know people who are working as hard as they can for less than 18 an hour whose parents are giving $60,000 every year to the church. It makes me sick.

@jr2904 10 ай бұрын

Science doesn't debunk anything about the Bible... If you take it literally, that's your fault.

@StayHumanHannah 10 ай бұрын

Well. That’s not true, I’m living proof ❤GOD is real, sovereign and most importantly EXTREMELY GOOD TO us. (Idk about you…. But if you are a real man / an actual person? You are proof of God, it’s written in you. We write the science . The science is the sauce trying to catch up. ‘The Science’ is the lyrics to the song we wrote. THE Science is them trying to take what we made and rewind the tape. It moves at the sound of our voice ❤😊🎉

@richarddickerson4774 10 ай бұрын

Science has not proven the Bible wrong. It corresponds with it.

@crockettslate 10 ай бұрын

Hay budd I think I know you

@Jsppydays 10 ай бұрын

Excellent. It's said if able or have means... Next question why should this keep you from attending Temple? Really. The original word of wisdom stated that it would never keep you from temple attendance. They sure have changed their narrative.

@cubic-h6041 9 ай бұрын

LMAO, that's quite the grasping at straws. Weakest argument I ever heard.

@SupremeKa1 10 ай бұрын

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

Please go read the pinned comments.

@Lincolnlogsoff 10 ай бұрын

Every religious text, including the Bible, has these convenient parts in its translation that favors the beliefs of the religion it is translated for.

@darronfletcher1297 10 ай бұрын

I have been a full tithe payer my whole life. God truly opens the windows of heaven when you pay an honest tithe. God gives me everything and I give Him 10% back and he blessed me even more. God is awesome!! Truly awesome.

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

I feel like I’ve lived a really blessed life too. Maybe tithing doesn’t have a causal relationship to blessings.

@armysapper12b 10 ай бұрын

Exactly, never paid tithing and live an amazing life. Money is the foundation of the creation of this religion, from Captain Kid treasure hunting to conning locals out of free labor and money to find metals in the hill of New York. JS seen a monetary opportunity with 1800’s NRM (new religion movement) and was very successful at making it work. Billions of dollars later.

@venomdust1 10 ай бұрын

God knows the love in your heart only men equate money for love of god because they do not know what’s in your heart Tithing is just the prosperity gospel for the LDS. They will tell stories of a father who gave tithing instead buying food for his Children . The next week he had a raise in his pay or multiple job offers. Just like the prosperity gospel you have to give to the church who has money hidden in off shore entities never used for any charity…They never say give %10 to charities to feed and clothe people . Nope God says give to the church so the few old men can hide it away and make billion dollar shopping centers. How can anyone in the leadership defend one hundred billion dollars sitting in accounts while telling poor people to starve. God knows the love in your heart only men equate money for love of god because they do not know what’s in your heart

@randydouglass8872 9 ай бұрын

It sounds like to me the same thing they just took out the word means.

@kentthalman4459 9 ай бұрын

Fascinating

@kellybrandon1179 10 ай бұрын

Your tithing funds our subterranean world here in zion. Our mountains are hollow #deepinthemountainside

@noahlebaron1957 7 ай бұрын

As an LDS member its sad to see what the Church leaders have become. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. But its not supprising to any who read the teachings of the old prophets. Brigham young prophesied that in the last days this church would be brought to the brink of hell. 😊

@wazgoodtwinspodcast9103 10 ай бұрын

The Tithing is only for the Israelite, Tribe of Levi aka Haitian people

@jr2904 10 ай бұрын

Lol

@wazgoodtwinspodcast9103 10 ай бұрын

@@jr2904 the truth hurts

@Linda-l2b4g 9 ай бұрын

The whole thing is a lie..

@NeilAldridge-jp7rl 10 ай бұрын

it's ok to lie for the God that exalted to become a God he approves it, and commands it, or everyone will see truth so lie lie lie.

@Homepageturned 10 ай бұрын

Will a man rob God? So your saying that every man,woman and child who has means shouldn't pay tithing? I'm confused? You're really not saying anything? So what does it mean to have means? Does it mean you have gain? Does it mean you have income? Does it mean you have means? No one pays tithing on means or gain or income of they dont have an income or gain ir means. What are you trying to say? Maybe you really dont understand what tithing is and how it works?

@Homepageturned 10 ай бұрын

So tighting in your opinion is wrong?

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

Maybe you could tell me why tithing is a good thing.

@bradjennings8714 10 ай бұрын

Back in the days when some members had zero money, they had no means. If you have a dollar you have .90 cents. If you have $100.00 you have $90.00. If you are flat broke, you couldn't pay tithing because you have no means. Move on to the next distortion.

@stormblest8967 10 ай бұрын

The substance of what was said didn’t even change without the whole original statement. You can’t pay 10% of nothing.

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

If it doesn’t change the meaning, why did they go out of their way to not put it in the book? To save paper? The church teaches that if you have to decide between feeding your family and paying tithing, you should pay tithing. I would consider a person who is confronting that type of dilemma to “not have the means”. So I think it actually does change the way it could affect members’ lives.

@andrewwilliams6170 10 ай бұрын

God never would want to extort a family of the food on their table. A family gets $100 dollars in their paycheck? Celebration! Let's go simultaneously pay tithes and ask for the food from the bishop's storehouse that those tithes make free! In conclusion, everyone is able as long as they can feel able. With the free and generous storehouses, the church no longer requires the fear of poverty.

@bradfordewell1503 10 ай бұрын

The channel name fits

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

It’s really hard to read tone through comments and I have no idea if you are saying this in a friendly way or not.

@GoAlamo 10 ай бұрын

The book you showed is a lesson manual. Church doctrine is in the Doctrine and Covenants. Nobody pretends those are the same things. Seems like you just want to stir the pot.

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

The book I showed was quoting a prophet of god. Is that not doctrine? Seems like you just want to misrepresent the video that we can all see.

@gwenynmel5682 9 ай бұрын

I’m assuming you have no idea what “means” means. Means is defined in those days as increase of what you have. If you paid tithing on what you “have” your “means” is what is the increase of that. Do a bit more research before you post again.

@ubermormon9611 9 ай бұрын

And what did translate mean in the days when Joesph claimed to “translate” the Book of Abraham?

@ubermormon9611 9 ай бұрын

New question for you. If means is defined as increase, isn’t it crazy redundant for the prophet to tell people that if they don’t have means they don’t need to pay 10% of their means?

@vendingdudes 9 ай бұрын

Good grief you guys are desperate. Now show us what secrets are behind the orher 437 ellipses in the book

@Homepageturned 10 ай бұрын

You are so off base on this

@TheJimspong 9 ай бұрын

Why don’t you go and do some good with your time

@kareemhetaraka-brown1259 10 ай бұрын

I am blessed for paying tithing! Take my money!! Bless me more

@ubermormon9611 10 ай бұрын

Have you ever tested if you are still blessed when you aren’t paying tithing?

@kareemhetaraka-brown1259 10 ай бұрын

@@ubermormon9611I have. I was living on the blessings of my faithful wife paying tithing. Bishop challenged me to Pay tithing for years. I couldn’t get out of debt, I was always broke. So I took the challenge, cause being broke wasn’t changing. I decided I may as well be broke and pay tithing and instead of being broke and not paying tithing. I have no idea how I got out of debt, so I’ve been paying tithing ever since. Having faith in God helped my testimony, God provides.