MSI X870 TOMAHAWK WiFi - The BEST AM5 Motherboard for 9800X3D?

[@SafirJamil]

Note: The four SATA ports are from an Asmedia ASM1064 chip. It connects through a PCIE Gen3 x1 lane, so under 1GB/s including overhead. Not a biggie as most folks would populate one or two of the ports at most and wouldn't be doing RAID anyway.

[@NateDawg4eva]

Great Video!! I just got this board myself. Something I would add: I have heard complaints that this board ONLY has the one HDMI on it, but people fail to realize/mention that both of the USB 4.0 ports double as 4k @60 Hz Display Ports giving this motherboard essentially 3 onboard display connections!!! Basically, you could connect 3 monitors without even having discreet graphics so long as the processor supports it.

[@girhen]

Who is buying a $300 motherboard and not getting a video card? I was happy I was able to get my system loaded while waiting on a graphics card, but I never expected nor tried to use the integrated graphics for anything beyond basic Windows tasks.

[@wallywest2360]

I have the X670E version and it's been solid. The bios is confusing, IMO, but not a big deal if you know what you're looking for.

[@FJano12]

Looks like something taken out from the junk. Industrial look lol

[@Wil3vlbc9gvk604]

I'm using this board with 9800X3D and Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64GB (2 x 32GB) F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR and it's working great using EXPO timings and 6400MTs.

[@ScreentubeR]

I have the same setup with the same RAM, can you elaborate on 6400 MTs, did you do any tuning or there are some quick settings to enable this? Quite new to all this OC stuff.

[@Wil3vlbc9gvk604]

@@ScreentubeR I enabled the EXPO profile on the BIOS and it worked fine. Next I changed the 6000 to 6400 and changed the MLCK/ULCK in 1:1. I did everything on BIOS. The change to 6400 is not important, EXPO give the biggest boost.

[@ScreentubeR]

@@Wil3vlbc9gvk604Thanks for explanation! Will check this out!

[@mkatakm]

I have a 5800x3d paired with an RTX 4080. The funny thing is, I do want to upgrade to 9800x3d, but I run all my games comfortably above 90 fps. So why should I upgrade?

[@Kaiwen94]

I was the same and made the jump not because I needed it but because I build a whole new PC every 5 years, except for the RTX 4070 super and 5800X3D all parts were from 2019. Initially went from 3900X and got 5800X3D on sale for 280€ figured that was a cheap upgrade and took it, that gave me about 20FPS up to 60 FPS in most games, then came the 7800X3D which practically gave no uplift (10% or less based on test from friends PC with same GPU). My reasoning here was that I could afford it and that going from 2019 hardware (AM4 and zen2) to 2024 (AM5 and Zen5) seemed enough of a jump in performance and future proofing to make sure I would not struggle to run any game in 1440P regardless of settings. going to DDR5 6400MT and 9800X3D gave me at least 40FPS and in some games up to 120FPS and even more in competitive games like Valorant and such. Now if you play in 1440P you are fine you can wait few years before upgrading, I would say when new Consoles Generation from Playstation or Xbox comes out sounds good time to change as they will be baseline for game graphics and quality (Low-medium quality in terms of PC settings). If you play in 4K with that 4080 you could need that upgrade pretty soon. other change you could make to up your game is change to a better monitor, this can drastically improve how games look and make your hardware that seemed aging feel like new.

[@wallywest2360]

I have both. My PC is a 5800X3D with a 6900XT, custom loop. And my wife's new build I just finished is a 9800X3D with a 7900XTX. It's definitely faster, but in most games mine is still in the 150 fps or above so I'm not upgrading for another year or two. And I could get very nearly the same performance by just upgrading the GPU. Which I might do soon when the new cards come out.

[@Kaiwen94]

@@wallywest2360 👍 agree with

[@girhen]

2 generations is a questionable upgrade timeline for most people these days. I'm upgrading from a 3800x to 9800x3d and a 4060 (replaced my dead 2080 Super that was good in its day) with a 5080 or 5090. Part of the push was knowing tariffs will likely come (whether it's 10% or 50%, something will happen), and the other part was it meant I could either replace my media computer in the living room (i5 7600 that can't do Windows 11) or my girlfriend could use it as a decent rig. I did upgrade the old one to a Arc B580. But if not for the threat of tariffs, I'd be waiting at least one more year before building. The old computer still works, though the 4060 had its limitations, and expanding much more would likely make the CPU become limiting.

[@liberteus]

Still waiting for itx boards.

[@Tuned-4fun]

This MB does not have an external clock generator, so it is pretty much just an average mb for x3d chips.

[@Dr.WhetFarts]

Yeah my 9800X3D running at 5425 MHz at all times, with 32GB 6400/CL28 with a 4090 is just so average.

[@Tuned-4fun]

​@@Dr.WhetFarts What I wrote is not the rocket science, I do not know what you do not understand... You can run those settings on any 250$ Motherboard. So this MB is not "The Best" for 9800X3D.

[@TheSjuris]

@@Tuned-4fun remember the x870 is a buffed up b650e motherboard.

[@R6ex]

8-layers PCB ..... NICE!

[@cant_Comment]

are there any good 2 dimm budget boards? the tomahawk is a bit expensive in my country. the bios on that thing is very good though

[@lechf]

Asrock b650m HDV m.2

[@christroy8047]

@@lechf Smart. I second you on that lechf

[@Gattsu1986]

You described the Mobo in great detail which was insightful but I didn't see how it was a great board for the sake of the 9800x3d 🤔

[@michaelmoody5128]

Great board, i really like it and all the features. My only problem so far is it wont let me enable high voltage mode for the memory to oc. Both sets of my corsair dominator titanium with unlocked pcim cant be oc because of this.

[@roguefox5171]

Im pairing this motherboard with the 7800X3D, as i prefer the power efficiency of the 7800X3d over the 9800x3d

[@watercoolingmodding]

I have the msi mainboard x870 with the cpu 7600x3d and ddr5 32GB kingston cl30 6000MHz and asus tuf 4060ti built a few days ago for an 11 year old boy for his Christmas present must say very stable mainboard

[@Cognitoman]

Hope your kid has a wonderful Christmas.

[@watercoolingmodding]

@Cognitoman danke

[@NoSpamForYou]

Are you getting the free daily games on Epic right now? Nothing amazing so far but hopefully something good on Christmas Day and New Years Eve

[@cicciuzzo5947]

I have the same motherboard as you, but I’m dealing with a problem that’s driving me crazy! The motherboard’s boot process is extremely slow-it takes 5 minutes to load Windows! Also, it won’t let me update the BIOS through the interface, only via the rear USB flash port. Moreover, if I try to access the BIOS from a restart, it freezes! However, I can access it from a cold boot. Do you think it could be a RAM compatibility issue? My cpu is 9700k

[@KnottMee]

What motherboard has the least amount of "stuff" to deal with when installing? ...eg Dragon? with MSI, armoury crate with ASUS, ?center with GIGIBYTE. I think ASROCK is the only one without extra "stuff" / software to install?

[@shananpetherick1825]

Can you show your zen timings please

[@Haro64]

I have that board and I couldn't have bought anything better for that price, I'm excited, unfortunately I still have it with a 7900x3d cpu, because the 9800x3d was quickly sold out and I'm waiting for it to be in stock for a reasonable price... I have no experience with RAM overclocking, could you show me how to do it on this board? thanks

[@BenJ2020]

I went with MSI B650 gaming plus, AM5 7600x, 32gb DDR5 6000, I'm not sure about the GPU though, I went with xfx 5700xt ultra thic 3 boost. Does anyone have an opinion regarding performance of this setup

[@just_2swift]

What about the r9 7900x?

[@dannyvdmoo]

nice maybe better to go msi instead of asus

[@epiclord7039]

How does it compare to the mpg x870e carbon wifi?

[@R6ex]

Carbon better but Tomahawk still good enough for most gamers and offers better value.

[@xdi1733]

Danny what about latency on Z790? Should I enable anything in the BIOs? I have have a gigabyte and MSI both Z790 but kept all the extra gimmicks off in the BIOs this video has me thinking twice?

[@CrackaSlapYa]

sell that shat and get an 9800x3d (thats what i did)

[@xdi1733]

@CrackaSlapYa lmao 🤣 bro you've had so much coolaid you're drunk and senseless

[@CrackaSlapYa]

@@xdi1733 Oh , you dont know the half of it. When I switched over I went to order parts... No 2-Dimm x870e boards like im used to (apex, unify-x, or tachyon) and the ROG Hero is $700 now! So, naturally I said fk that and bought a Godlike for a thousand... *Insert Homer Simpson groan. Had to have a high-end PSU for that, so, FSP Hydro Ti Pro 1000w. New case to FIT the Godlike, mine is too small. So, ordered a $300 case (ProArt PA602 has been a dream case for me for awhile) , naturally, bc it has to be "worthy of the Godlike". OOF. Im sitting on almost a $3000 platform not counting the GPU (already had a 4090 thankfully). I went crazy, but, yolo. NO REGERTS. Probably won't build again until The 30s.

[@mikebruzzone9570]

I paid $279 for my AM4 Tomahawk wifi x570S and a good board on use. You've come a long way on the features MSI at x870 for around the same price. mb.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice review. This will help me to judge if I need to or want to upgrade from my Asus ProArt X670-E Creator Wifi sometime. Thanks for all your effort.

[@AlexandreHimself]

10:49 First is Gen 5 i think

[@Kaiwen94]

@@AlexandreHimself I confirm it is

[@CrazyCranker]

I always get the Tomahawks for my builds. However, with the CPU M.I.A, there's no point. :(

[@kilme39]

All the Microcenter got a restock!

[@oltorftheviking]

Enabling latency killer janks your frametimes on 600 am5 9800x3d

[@ThePred2009]

Some guy cooked his 9800x3d and this motherboard on reddit

[@edcrosbie4651]

And LTT bought it... and did a video on it showing the redditor fucked it up on the instal.... dont worry bud, noone here thinks that amd completley shit the bed like intel does!!!

[@ilikegengar8231]

That was found out to be human error, no fault of the cpu or mb

[@lukespatola1184]

I personally think it looks terrirble

[@elibolton6235]

Fr. Hate the yellow symbol

[@josesemino8284]

It does look terrible because of the yellow accents

[@BastyTHz]

amd still not making cheap pci-e 5 board.

[@JahonCross]

You won't need them for years. lol PCIE_4 is more than enough for a 4090

[@Cognitoman]

@@JahonCrossyep that’s what I hear , it doesn’t even matter right now it won’t matter for like 5 years 😂

[@silverwerewolf975]

Im hearing a lot of shit about thia board idk what to do... Bah im hearing shit of every single am5 mobos jajaj

[@DannyzReviews]

Best advice I can give you is to buy it from a place that offers easy returns, try it out for yourself and if it doesn't work out then return it.

[@silverwerewolf975]

@@DannyzReviews So amazon is out of the question then (im from south america) Local shops has to be... Every single model that im looking into theres people complaining about a ton of issues, idk which mobo buy for my 9800x3d, this is crazy I was first into x670E mobos, cus they're cheaper than x870 and in theory better... but x870 has better ram oc stability (im afraid of my corsair 6000cl30 rams not working on expo)

[@DannyzReviews]

@@silverwerewolf975 If you're just gaming then no point in worry about trying to run 8000MT/s on Ryzen. It doesn't help. Go with a 6000CL30 kit and call it day.

[@silverwerewolf975]

@@DannyzReviews But its 100% sure than i will be capable of running 6000cl30? (on x670e or b650e) i heard people that they cant... maybe really unlucky people but im one of them in that case xD

[@504Trey]

​@silverwerewolf975 Just test it out for yourself & if u don't like it then send it back. That's the best answer for u.

[@cicciuzzo5947]

The boot is slow !

[@JoJo-cy4tb]

10 sec boot for me is that slow?

[@cicciuzzo5947]

@ mine probably has some issues …. 4 min 😰

[@Cognitoman]

@@cicciuzzo5947lol damn

[@Kaiwen94]

@@cicciuzzo5947 memory training you can enable a setting in bios so that it does not retrain every single boot or reboot. your board could also have an issue, updating the bios could fix it if you still running the out of box bios.

[@antonioinacioconceicaoreis9004]

​@@JoJo-cy4tbu are tell the true???

[@maxfaktormax3714]

Good day Tell me, is there a Russian language there?

[@colinspicer7079]

Slava Ukraini!

[@0xXeres]

This motherboard is no BTF. In 2025 we are in the era of motherboards without visible cables (BTF). Presenting BTF motherboards dude. Otherwise, thanks for all the BIOS advice.

[@InternetSupervillain]

No Danny. My gigabyte aorus x870 gaming wifi ice is the best. It does all these things, is the same price, and is white.

[@Cognitoman]

And looks better

[@504Trey]

Being racist against the black one ay? 🤔💀

[@Edgar-u8v9m]

Yeah, but this motherboard doesn't share lanes

[@InternetSupervillain]

@@Edgar-u8v9m YOU don't share lanes bro

[@Edgar-u8v9m]

@@InternetSupervillain so the gigabyte aorus x870 gaming wifi doesn't share lanes

[@edcrosbie4651]

For the price nothing else compares to this board!!! It litteraly beats the msi carbon AND x870 GODLIKE wich is a 1500 dollar fuckin board in canadumb!!!!! in framerates in games all else being equal. Where it falls short is if you want to do streaming and shit like that