My Friend Is THREATENING To Take A Paternity Test r/Relationships

Relationship Reddit Stories, OP's friend has been listening to their MGTOW friend who has them believing that their partner is actually cheating on them and therefore they need a paternity test JUST TO BE SURE
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[@aislygncovante7524]

"They're not sexist! They just assumed the daughter was weaker and more inconvenient than a comparable male child!"

[@tamsel814]

I hope that you are being sarcastic

[@sitnspin1819]

"They're not sexist!" Yet assumed they would need a hotel and wouldn't be able to do as many activities. As though a girl couldn't sleep in a cabin or anything.

[@CT-yr8ph]

Thought it was a guy thing but the reasoning wasn’t on point

[@MrJpaynebb]

It they wanted it to be a boys trip then just speak up and say so. Mom's have been known to do a girls trip for them, their friends and daughters. If that's what they or any parent wants to do just say so from the beginning to avoid any miscommunication and deal with any fallout from the jump.

[@aislygncovante7524]

For clarification, I was trying to paraphrase the story to point out that despite the insistence the friends weren't sexist, the reasoning immediately provided does, in fact, demonstrate that they are indeed sexist.

[@sophdog2564]

I think the best response to the guys saying "no wives no girlfriends" after OP said he was bringing his daughter would be to ask what the fuck they were implying about his relationship with his daughter. It might not have changed the outcome (which was really good after the update) but it would've been interesting to see how they'd respond

[@rishabhanand4973]

I'd have been like "do one of you have a relationship with my daughter that i should know about?"

[@rishabhanand4973]

@Bluebirbas i wonder is, if one of them were gay, would the boyfriend be allowed? Or would they make it a no significant other rule? I'd say the no significant other rule would be the most fair

[@atinyevil1383]

Yeah, that comment was so disgusting.

[@SH-qs7ee]

@@rishabhanand4973 I'd have said something similar; "So which one of you is dating my 5 yr old daughter then."

[@sapphicgeek24]

Story 1: He is well within his right to ask for a paternity test, but that doesn't come without consequences. It absolutely does imply infidelity on the woman's part and women are just as allowed to react as they see fit. For every action there is a equal and opposite reaction. He's allowed to ask, but his wife is allowed to feel however she will.

[@ameixsell]

Why can't a man question paternity?

[@CT-yr8ph]

I would do it and not tell her honestly

[@fallingawayfromthenorm]

@@ameixsell They can ask for one and want one, depending on each couple’s relationship it could break their partner’s trust by asking for one because it can and often is an implication they had been unfaithful so that can be a consequence. Again it doesn’t mean that they cannot ask for one, just it could end up imploding the relationship regardless of the results. There are other stories I’ve seen where it came back positive, they were the father, and the partner still left because they felt that the father didn’t trust them and in turn the partner stopped trusting them for questioning their loyalty.

[@Orinatl]

Yup. I would immediate y agree and he would receive divorce papers along with the “you are the father” papers.

[@pippo17173]

@@fallingawayfromthenorm Really its sad when guys had to get confirm trust when we seen so many times how horrible it could lead. Too many reddit stories to count on spouces able to hide it for years only to get expose and destory whatever they had.

[@simac8396]

STORY 5: He's not panicking because you are mad, he's panicking because he got caught.

[@justine8387]

Yeah that story sent chills

[@IridescentPigsie]

Ok, fishing story. Let's assume that they told the truth about what the real reason was, that still doesn't explain why they thought 5-year old son is fine in the cabin but 5-year old daughter needs a hotel with air conditioing...🤔

[@alexisgrunden1556]

I'm glad for the update; now I'm visualizing the little girl they all thought would be a delicate little flower running wild in little bluejean overalls, digging up worms by the bucketful for bait and loving it, and outfishing the lot of them~ XD XD

[@faceofvision]

That's still sexism talking, the idea that 5 year old girls are so much more fragile than 5 year old boys. He is a man so he's blind to it and that's why he said they weren't sexist 🙄

[@BruinPhD2009]

@@faceofvision Yeah, the update made the friends sound more ridiculous than the original story. Lots of growing up needed in this group.

[@rishabhanand4973]

Still sexist, albeit not as sexist as initially thought. Remember, sexism as well as any other forms of bigotry are a spectrum, not a binary

[@macylouwho1187]

I’m so glad that my father figure (family friend) didn’t treat me like this just because I was a girl. He took me fishing out on the boat, took me to cabins, camping, cooking what we caught over a fire, hunting, sports events, motorcycling, to science museums etc. He never had kids of his own, so I was-for all intensive purposes-his daughter because I didn’t have much of a Dad. I call him Dad, he calls me his daughter. I spend Father’s Day with him. Some of my favorite childhood memories are of us doing these things and it taught me to be a better all around person who can survive crisis when it occurs. I handled the pandemic like a champ. While everyone was out running around trying to find basic necessities I was all stocked up prior to that because being prepared was taught to me as a child by that man. A man who didn’t look at a little girl and say “you can’t do it”. Instead he handed me a fishing pole or a gun and said “you CAN do this”. And I swear to God it made me practically worship the ground he walked on and I would do anything for him now. He has an ally for life, and now that he’s getting older I have his back like he had mine and I will be there for him as he was for me.

[@ashh4929]

100 %! THIS is a man! THIS is the kind of progression women's equality is looking for and this kind of father all little girls need. He has the perfect balance of just treating you kid, male or female, like they are what they are, their own little person and appropriately backing/standing up for them. Keep it up OP! My grandpa was my father figure, he was a WWII era man and ironically my grandmother is more misogynistic and sexist than a man from the war and good ol' boys days could ever be. You know what he did with his "little women" (i.e. daughter and granddaughters) he taught us how to work on and gave us useful little tricks on cars, he and my mom made sure my sister and I knew how to check fluids, change tires, change the car battery etc, before we were even ok'd to take driving lessons. He taught me and my sister how to drive tractors and so much more. He never once thought we were less than simply for being girls. He taught us life skills and fun hobbies, things that shouldn't be gendered but to have great memories of and skills everyone is better off having. He was the greatest mix of tough yet soft. He would always say life is serious enough as it is and a good amount of it you will need to be serious, but keep a little piece of your inner child alive and awake. It's ok to also have a little childish, mischievous fun in your day to day life, you can have both. I don't think there was a person alive that didn't like or respect him, god I miss that man. 💜

[@lynsthoughts3576]

I gave MY SON a PAMPRIN because he had bad back pains from a hard football win. I did NOT tell him what it was UNTIL he came back and told me how much better he felt. Reason being, was he ALWAYS teased me about having PERIOD PILLS. He asked for more... lol

[@Neighbor-assistantYN]

I did the same for my younger brother. He had a slight migraine and all I had was Pamprin. He took it without question and said it helped better than any OTC migraine meds he ever took. I finally told him what it was and he looked surprised. He now has period pain relief in his cabinet and car. He even told his buddies when asked why he had them. His GF finds it funny, but doesn't say much because she knows he will always have some available when she needs it.

[@user-fg4tn8ot6b]

Story four: If it helps with nausea, why are they complaining?! What if OP gave him Dramamine and the coworker had a bad reaction? It's just a candy for nausea, even if it's targeted at pregnant women! I always picked Midol Teen (it had this name before it stopped being targeted at teens) because the same one with caffeine gives me a bad stomach ache. It did it's work. I still pick its generic equivalents because they're effective without giving me a stomach ache. Again, if ginger candies help with nausea without feeling drowsy, WHY ARE THEY COMPLAINING?! It's just a remedy!! ಠ_ಠ Story five: What. A. F*cking. Creep. Who the hell keeps tabs on someone like that?! Disgusting!! I wouldn't laugh it off. That's a MAJOR breach of privacy!! ಠ_ಠ

[@alyred2438]

(Specific to you're "Story four" response) For almost anything else I would completely agree with you, but ginger is so ubiquitous in nausea treatment that humbly have to disagree. Especially with the emphasis on candy. I think you're seeing it more "pregnancy-specific" (and not without reason- I mean, this whole post revolves around the association of it), but unless this is a very, *very* specific brand of ginger candy, I can almost guarantee it's branded for any age or gender. It's just heavily associated with natural remedies and nausea, so plenty of people consume it for that purpose whether it helps them or not (For example: As a kid, the only things I was allowed to consume on an upset stomach were ginger ale and saltines... I'm guessing it was because the saltines would be so boring that the ginger [which isn't actually significantly present in ginger ale, as it turns out] could sneak in and karate chop whatever bug was responsible for my stomach being as it was....) At least that was the ONE treatment that didn't involve gargling with warm salt water.

[@manxiefeathermoon9888]

Story two: I'm betting if Tim or Randy has a daughter, they would never take their girls.

[@jimdob6528]

And they shouldn’t. Let guys have guy time and girls have girl time.

[@jam2727]

@@jimdob6528 it wasn't guy time/girl time. It was no wives/gfs time. Specify what you want.

[@Kris-wo4pj]

@@jimdob6528 dude some boys don't want to go fishing and hate being forced to like my cousins. While some girls beg to go fishing with their dad but told no cuz theyre a girl. Stop being sexist to little kids.

[@rubiscas]

"They aren't sexist. They just think girls need a hotel and A/C while boys don't." Sure, dude.

[@fiyahquacker2835]

Yeah we ain't a bunch of saitamas.

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

My partner is the one who needs ac or he feels absolutely awful

[@jessicarichards6796]

The fishing story strikes a core with me. My dad took me fishing with him and his friends since I was 5 until his health declined and he stopped fishing. As a result im a great fisherman. I won derbies as a kid and teen. Beating out boys and grown men. My dad and I had a great time. I wish he still hunted when I got old enough to join in, it would mean more time with him learning. He tried both of these activities with my older brother but he just wasn’t interested.

[@Ospyro3em]

the ginger candy story had me rolling! 😂 what do the guys think will happen? He'll magically get pregnant or turn into a woman? That last story though- definitely very worrying. That's really not a prank. Best case scenario he was just utterly stupid and thought it was funny when it really wasn't otherwise I'd be REALLY wary of this guy.

[@faceofvision]

The horror of being a woman 🤣

[@BruinPhD2009]

That Candy story is some Grade A level stupidity on display. Kinda makes me wonder how the species has managed to survive this long. And that last story? Nope, nope, nope. OP needs to ditch that friend and their mutual friend. I don’t think the thought of secretly tracking a friend’s phone is an every day occurrence for a normal person.

[@trevor7520]

He's just in a cold sweat thinking there's HRT in the ginger candies

[@simac8396]

Dont you know if a man eats a ginger candy His penis will fall off 🤣 lol

[@zachf748]

*_Story #5_* Yea, that’s just _creepy._ That’s extremely invasive and shows he doesn’t respect you or your boundaries. Cutting contact is definitely the way to go.

[@RylieRiddle]

REAL MEN EAT LAWNMOWERS AND DALLAS COWBOYS Thank you Markee for reading that with the caps

[@ivorynk752]

I heard that first story before, I was hoping for an update this time. I honestly don't know if there is a way to work this out. It can be difficult to trust people when every story about people getting screwed over starts with, "In the beginning the relationship was perfect," so things seeming good doesn't feel reliable. Even if he cuts off the friend that planted the idea in his head, it could continue to cause problems for a while.

[@growinghigher420]

I want a update where the wife gets a beautiful vacation and a therapist to help her.

[@benkenobisgirl]

I was hoping for one, too. Nick is being completely idiotic. He’s destroying his relationship with all the self-righteous stupidity of his incel friend. OP is *not* the AH; she’s trying to save him from ending everything.

[@rubymeaddle]

MGTOW incels have poisoned so many good men by convincing them that every man is a victim of paternity fraud

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

On one of these channels, I did see an update that it caused a divorce.

[@karinalumen9722]

@@Kimberly_Sparkles which one?!

[@franl155]

Do they make ginger candy for different types of nausea? "This one is for pregnant women only - this one is for manly men". Nausea is nausea, the same feeling, so the same solution.

[@markedwards3647]

I wonder what gender a scopolamine patch is. Of course, anyone can buy a little ginger and chew on it.

[@Tyler171819]

The dude complaining about the ginger candies being for “pregnant ladies” sound like the type to get pissy if a doctor put their broken arm in a pink cast 🙄

[@CastorCas]

Story 2: NTA All it was said was no wives or girlfriends NOT no girls If that is what they meant then they should've said No Girls. Say what you mean not leave it vague. Also did they not think they would have daughters or something. [My family taught my sister to fish all I did was watch. This whole thing is dumb as anyone can fish or they cannot. Gender matter not]

[@thomasjoseph5876]

I can see the philosophy of the no wives no girlfriends fishing trip. It is a "guys only" weekend without their spouses. I can even see not allowing a 5-year-old girl to go either as much of the weekend is probably drinking, swearing, and farting and it probably wasn't really a safe environment for a 5-year-old girl. However, once they allowed the 5-year-old boy to go, then that throws any sort of "no kids rule" out the window, and as such, the 5-year-old girl should be allowed to go as well. Case closed, discussion over. I know a family that had just the "guys" allowed to go on a Memorial Weekend Fishing Trip until the daughters grew up and then they and the wives told them either we all go or no one goes and if you do go, expect the locks to be changed on the doors when you get home. They all go now every Memorial Weekend and have a blast. I know this firsthand since it is a couple of my cabins they come up and use on my lakehome property (it's a former Resort so it has several cabins).

[@SH-qs7ee]

Never know, they might be going after the rare misogynistic fish; the kind that would never let themselves be caught by a group that had a girl with them.

[@pippo17173]

The last story is basically a nice guy trying to score with op and got caught at the very beginning.

[@mweathers79]

S1: asking for this unwarranted, meaning having no reason to think she cheated, is a dead end for sure.

[@kuno3336]

"Real men eat lawnmowers and Dallas Cowboys" 🤣

[@nietzchesghost]

Paternity tests should be mandatory. And he's an idiot for asking, just do it without telling her and then you have peace of mind.

[@mindmaster323]

Story 1: The guy is probably being paranoid and likely doesn't need a paternity test. However, paternity fraud is surprisingly common. Around 30% of fathers have to go through the pain of finding out their kid isn't theirs on average. That is way too high. Hell, it happened to my own dad with one of his exes and it's just lucky they never married. Not to mention you see so many stories of men finding out their kids aren't theirs and it's no wonder it's easy to be paranoid. So, yeah, NTA for trying to talk him out of it, but it's not like OP could understand that particularly worry. Story 2: NTA, the friends are being weird. They mean for it to be a "guys trip" but the rules don't say no women allowed just no wives or girlfriends. If Tim can bring his kid, OP should be able to bring his, no matter their gender. Update is good, friends aren't assholes, just kinda stupid. Story 3: NTA. Being selfish, what the fuck? He's selfish because... what? His new wife asked him to go half in on a car? OP doesn't allude to how much he makes now, but I don't believe he just has that much money laying around between what is likely a fuck ton in back child support and bills and other usual things. He more than likely had to save up to afford to pay half, which he would have to do to afford it. And that's assuming this is a new car instead of a second or third hand one that probably cost less than $15k on his end. He's wrong for not thinking to talk to his ex wife about going half in on 2 cars? Sure, okay. Story 4: NTA, these coworkers are just extremely stupid. Story 5: NTA, that dude is definitely trying to stalk OP.

[@BA-qn7xj]

It’s not common. The 30% is likely coming from an incredibly biased subsample of the population. It’s not an estimate of the true prevelance at all. If you’re confused I can try to explain it from a statistical/epidemiological POV regarding population prevelance but it may come across as confusing if you don’t have a background in epidemiology (just fyi). But lmk and I can try to break it down for you

[@mindmaster323]

@@BA-qn7xj 30% of all people who get paternity tests. Most people don't, but 30% is still really high for paternity fraud. But that's just the US. It's higher or lower in other countries.

[@TiBunCosplay]

My dad's side of the family takes a yearly fishing trip to the same place where they camp out and fish all day. It's always been a "guys trip". No wives/girlfriends/daughters. Well, my sister has always been a "tom boy" type of girl growing up. And on the family vacation (same side of the family, only all-inclusive where we rented cabins on the same lake every year) she would repeatedly out-fish the guys. And when she got old enough to handle knives she asked to learn how to clean the fish, and she enjoyed it. Eventually the guys in the family all decided to invite her on the guys trip every year as well. It didn't matter that she was a girl. The fact was, they always had better luck bringing back good catches at the end of the day with her, and she wasn't squicked out by the job of cleaning said catch, and would help with that chore. She even had her own set of knives for it. After that the "guys trip" was still called the "guys trip" but girl family members were allowed to come if they really wanted to. My mom, aunt and I visited for a few hours one year but my sister was really the only girl who wanted to join the guy's fishing trip proper. These days she's too busy to really do so between her job, a martial arts class she teaches, and other adult stuff, but she's asked if she's able to go every year still.

[@rubymeaddle]

You're free to ask for the test. She's free to leave you for not trusting her.

[@silvercloudsone]

Story 3: YTA He has backlogged child support. He should pay that back before paying for 50% of a car.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

Yes he should.

[@RSN2277]

As long as he pays back the child support, there is no issue on what OP spends his money on from here.

[@silvercloudsone]

@@RSN2277 which he should pay back FIRST in my opinion cause it's overdue!

[@erice.214]

Story 1. Absolutely a paternity test is OK. He knows who the mother is, she gave birth. He has absolutely every right to know if he's the real father. Women lie just like men. The number of men unknowingly raising other men's children is significant. What would all those against test say if he went through with it and child was not his? Besides, babies look like babies. They have no resemblance to adults.

[@SkyEcho751]

Story 1: NTA. I am totally fine with the concept of Men going their own way if a relationship goes poorly, and he does have a right to a paternity test. But if he goes through with it then he will have to face the consequences, which would likely be Divorce. It would be different if they BOTH had agreed to a paternity test, but demanding one will damage the relationship beyond repair. Story 2+Update: NTA all the way through, and I do consider the friends AH's. Honestly I couldn't even think of questioning if someone brought their daughter the first time, I'd only question it if it looked like she didn't have fun and the Dad was still insistent she come. Story 3: YTA, quite clearly OP left the info out. I think he(OP) is trying to butter up the 'step'-son because there is no bad blood there, but there is some bad blood with his ex wife.(He also stole and gambled away his ex's money/savings, so ya.) Story 4: NTA, and I would have laughed at my boss if they got upset over that. Ginger candy is not much different then Ginger Ale, those guys are being stupid. Story 5: NTA. There is something seriously creepy about having a tracker on your friend's phone. He is 100% stalking her at that point, and I(a guy) already felt creeped out by the "your phone is on 2%, better go charge it" comment, OP did good in cutting this guy off.

[@fiyahquacker2835]

There really needs to be a law where a paternity test is done by default to squash anyone from unnecessarily nuking their relationship and dramatically decrease the chance of paternity fraud.

[@SkyEcho751]

@@fiyahquacker2835 TBC I plan on having a complex Prenup that would auto include Paternity tests with any birth. The reason for a Prenup is to essentially have Iron Clade rules which prevent any prolonged legal battles or the like. I've seen(on reddit) too many marriages where having a prenup would have solved almost everything. And it would be a fair prenup, I won't hold you to the fire unless I'm willing to be in it as well.

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

Saying "he can pursue a paternity test, but he'll be punished for it" is pretty stupid. Like, yeah I'll allow you to do this thing, but I'm gonna punish you for it. The whole existence of punishment, is to discourage bad acts. I don't think anyone would ever talk about murder like "oh well yeah you can walk up to that person and just kill them, but you're gonna get punished for it". People are gonna say "wtf, no you can't just go around killing people." Even if the first statement is true on a factual level, the vast majority of people would never have that tone on the matter. The reason why things like MGTOW and Redpill are as popular as they are is because they support people where most others won't in issues most others don't do anything about or even discuss. Believe me, I think alot of the stuff in those groups is cringe, but who else is talking about combating paternity fraud, or protecting you're property through prenups, and so many similar things? If all you do is alienate the people with these concerns, they're naturally going to gravitate towards the groups that offer their support. And how is it seemingly ok for a woman to be offended by a man asking for a test to protect himself in a situation where the system will very rarely support him, let alone punish someone who commits this form of fraud. But he's not allowed to be insecure about the paternity. Do you think cheating is generally done by partners who aren't trusted in the first place? Unless you have a solution or even an idea to at least help combat the problem, who are you helping? This does nothing to help the men with these concerns. This does nothing to help the women offended by paternity tests. What does this stigma actually solve or help? If men being concerned about this to the point of wanting a paternity fraud should be seen as wrong, then what will be done to help prevent that concern?

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@DragonbornMike-ym2er getting a paternity test is a direct accusation of cheating. He admitted he has absolutely 0 reason to suspect her of cheating, so he’s accusing her of infidelity that he admits didn’t happen. She’s allowed to leave him for having zero trust in her and accusing her of something that he admits she didn’t do

[@HandleUnclear]

@@DragonbornMike-ym2er Sir stop being ignorant, if you actually cared about paternity fraud AND actually cared about the relationship with the woman who is potentially carrying your child, AND if you actually cared about your child you would have genetic health testing done during pregnancy. Men like you don't care about the women in your lives, nor do you care about your child. Imagine coming on the internet crying your fake crocodile tears, about woe is men, we can only have paternity tests after birth to verify if it's our child, what else are poor men able to do?! A freaking genetic health test you ingrate. Stop pretending like you care about men's issues, you're using them as an excuse to support your hatred for women and antagonize women. If you believe in MGTOW then do so and leave women alone, why is it so hard?

[@pansprayers]

Funny. My neighbor kids love to fish with their Bà Tay (Grandma West). Because their dads are busy, and I don't drink. I don't need to be in the air con every 30 minutes, and 40°C is just a good day. The friends have issues.

[@macylouwho1187]

Oh and also-my husband worked as an emergency medical technician on an ambulance service, and one time they got called to someone’s house that had a really bad bloody nose that would not stop bleeding. What did they use on it? A small size TAMPON 😂. So even if you seek medical help, you might get that tampon up your nose given to you by the trained EMT’s 😂. Doesn’t make you a girl, does it 😂

[@Ecclectic_citcelccE]

"That was put through the drama cycle" is hilarious! I'm picturing a big office washing machine with the "drama cycle" blinking in red. 🎭🎭🎭

[@CandaceDreamer]

I really like this way you do videos, markee! I especially like how you give your input, whether or not I always agree, I like the conversation from it that I feel. Sometime you bring up parts that I didn’t even think about.

[@taraized]

I don't get why men needs to get the moms permission. Just swab the baby's cheek when mom isn't around and never say a thing to the mom

[@pansprayers]

Ginger, peppermint, and spearmint are all natural nausea remedies, that unless you're allergic to them or have a higher level issue that requires something like Zofran is a first stop with medical professionals.

[@superzooperhaze6597]

zofran is some miraculous shit tho let me tell you

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

You want to be cautious with peppermint in pregnancy as high doses can induce uterus contractions/ miscarriages

[@dolce9959]

In the last story op talks about "intrusive thoughts", just wanted to add that what she's describing isn't intrusive thoughts. Actual intrusive thoughts are a common symptom of disorders like OCD, and are characterized as being distressing and unwanted. Intrusive thoughts aren't a reflection of someone's actual desires.

[@harley5.7bviews5secondsago6]

Exactly, %100

[@fiyahquacker2835]

To me everyone has very dark desires, average desires and light desires. Much like with me trying to figure out who the absolute f××× I am (considering how fluid my personality, morals and interests can be) the right buttons need to be pushed with the right results for any desires to be realized whether they're good or bad desires.

[@dolce9959]

@@fiyahquacker2835 firstly, I was talking about intrusive thoughts. Which is by definition not reflective of actual desires. Secondly, not sure what the point of your statement is? Sounds like a whole lot of Edge™

[@dolce9959]

Also. Everyone has very dark desires? Can you prove that? What do you define as very dark? Sounds pretty subjective to me.

[@julias2855]

Husband is 62. Used to fight professionally. Uses ginger candy & ginger ale for tummy issues. He uses tampons in nose of bleeds. Fighting for years messed up his nose & bleeds if it’s too hot or medicine fires out his face.

[@celestialangel666]

Me: *who fished with my dad* Get new friends for Story two. That type of negative thinking chases away fish.

[@skyelindsey687]

Paternity test one. NTA. But it would be avoided if the hospitals just did a free paternity test before the assumed father is allowed to sign the paperwork

[@valzeppelin5153]

Tracker: He has multiple trackers on her and is using it to actually keep track of her. It is not a joke. He is obsessed and stalking.

[@jakeand9020]

Story 1: Approximately 20% of men are NOT their children's biological father. Roughly 50% of them had NO idea until years later. So please explain EXACTLY how wanting a paternity test is "wrong."

[@JasperCatProductions]

Dude puts a tracker on your phone……of course you should be pissed off. This dude is a nut, this kind of crap is obsessive. No I would be done with it, and the friend who think it’s ok.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

This story is deceptive as NO TRACKER was put on her phone. He simply activated the settings on snapchat as a joke. While it was a fairly sh*tty thing to do as a joke, the OP seriously overreacted. If the guy had romantic feelings for her and she didn't consider him a friend, then it would be creepy but that isn't the case. If the guy had done it to another male friend, no one would give it another thought. The OP seemed to get more wound up about it as others started incorrectly expanding on the reason or the situation behind the poor taste joke.

[@fiyahquacker2835]

@@thomasjoseph5876 then you really must not have read or listened to the story especially since you're siding with the eventual abuser.

[@panicattheanimationstudio5673]

So for the stalker friend one, my first thought is he has life 360 because it does actually send notifications if the phone is dying

[@marchefog]

On the first story. It's a cold world we live in. Women know the children are theirs. It's a biological fact that can be proven through your 9 months. Maybe he needed the validation that it truly is his baby. All he has to go off of is what she is telling him. If he never accused her it is a reasonable thing to ask for.

[@krystelhardesty9960]

Maybe it would be ok if this is something that was talked about before they even got married let alone had a baby. Also this guy is lettings someone else screw with what should an amazing time with his wife and baby by putting doubt and fear in his mind. If he went through with it and the baby is his, and his wife didn't leave him, what would the friend say next to cause problems. Oh she took a little to long at the store she must be cheating, she went and got her nails done she is just using you for money and is trying to look good so she can cheat on you. With people like that it never ends there always something she is doing that is not right.

[@chronicallykait]

Listening to this on my way to work and I’m cackling. “Real men eat lawnmowers! And Dallas cowboys!” 💀

[@atinyevil1383]

Story 2: I’m my dad’s only kid and he took me to do just about everything with him. We went fishing, he took me to throw darts when the bar had parent-child dart competitions, we went to the Fast and Furious movies. So if my dad were put in a position where he couldn’t take me on a trip like this because I’m a girl, he would have been very offended. My dad is a very non-confrontational person, but he would have started distancing himself from people like that. And he would have probably taken me to do our own thing. NTA.

[@kaitohkid7229]

Make the test mandatory...

[@Nyarlathotep_Flagg]

I despise fishing, it's boring, it means a ton of mosquitoes to drive you insane, working for food I don't actually want, and tons of throws without getting shit, while my father gets a fish on every toss(I've gone through that exact scenario). But if your daughter(after hearing what it will entail), wants to go fishing with you(rather than getting dragged to it like I was -.-), then that's great. I wouldn't condemn them for a sort "men's night out" idea, like so many here seem to. Don't hear shit like this when there's a "girl's night out", do you? I also don't condemn them for thinking girl's aren't as physically tough, because they literally are not. They have a lower pain threshold, lower pain tolerance levels, they're ofc physically weaker(that much is so obvious that no real studies should ever be needed), can't just pee in the woods so easily, they have a slower reaction time, and special needs(though that mostly starts with puberty. As does the vast majority of these things too). So all in all, I would not condemn them, but I'd take my daughter out fishing one-on-one instead. Maybe I can't break the rules of what was perhaps essentially meant to be a "men's night out" kind of thing, but I can certainly choose to prioritize my kid. And I'd probably try and ask them to bend to rules for a kid. If she was like 13+(meaning puberty is most likely in full force), I would not try to push it. Because things would be different, and she'd have her own host of issues to potentially ruin the trip for everyone. She also might not be comfortable sleeping in a cabin with 4 grown men at that point.

[@Nyarlathotep_Flagg]

This is why paternity tests should not be a question of asking. It should just be done. Or at least something either party should be free to ask for, without consulting their partner. There's no reason father's should have to take this on faith. It's not about paying or not, the difference is that she would never have to actually *RAISE* another's child unknowingly - Simply because of not being allowed to make sure. I know a good argument though: Making sure that the hospital didn't switch the baby out mistakenly. It's happened a lot more than once. The "incel" insults are ridiculous too. The men who advocate these things the loudest, are the most sexually active ppl I know...

[@PUNKEYE1]

Paternity tests should be mandatory at birth

[@henryzellman]

Evey man should DNA test before allowing his name to go on a birth certificate.

[@hyperplaguerat]

LMAO. Ginger isn't a pregnancy treatment. It generally reduces nausea and can be used for anyone who's nauseated 😂

[@gilleschiasson2506]

Love your channel brother 👊🏻 what insane stories to the saddest to angry to the funniest ones dude it's a heck of a roller coaster of emotions

[@anarchylove92]

There are a lot of stories of guys finding out years later that the kid they're raising isn't theirs because the mother lied, and get stuck with child support. So I can understand why he'd ask as men usually only get the mothers word that it's his.

[@DragonbornMike-ym2er]

I definitely agree. My biggest issue with the stigma against paternity tests, is that the people with that stance rarely (if ever) offer an alternative to actually help combat the issue. It's never those people suggesting to punish people who commit paternity fraud, or to stop making men pay for kids that aren't theirs. No support is really offered to men in these situations, but men who try to protect themselves are made fun of or demonized.

[@DaniS398]

He said himself he doesn't think she cheated. Asking for a paternity test tells the partner he thinks she cheated and doesn't trust her. If you don't trust your partner, you shouldn't be married to them. If my husband asked for a paternity test on either of our children, that would be the end of our relationship.

[@stargazerkawaii]

My grandpa was a mean and abusive when my mom was growing up. My grandma was also abusive. When my mom was a teen my grandpa pointed a gun on my grandma. My mom called the cops and pressed charges on her father. He did AA and never drank again. He got custody of the kids divorced my grandma. He spent the rest of his time earning his kids forgiveness. By both words and actions. He went to the therapist appointments he did all the favors. He rebuilt the trust and the love over years.

[@cianap.281]

If I found out a candy was designed to treat nausea in pregnant women, I'd think, "wow, that product must really work, because that's some next level nausea!" Just like how they sell that horse balm at the drugstore and people buy it because "wow, it must really work then if it can ease pain in a horse." Or if a pen is advertised as being used by astronauts you think, "wow if it work is space this must be a really good pen!" It's just stupid that everyone thinks it's cool to use stuff designed for horses or astronauts, but pregnant women are way too alien for the rest of us to share anything with... wth.

[@TheIronwil]

Ginger candies: NTA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMFG, I'm visualizing the horror on the man's face when he heard it was a pregnancy treatment. Obviously he's tightly wound, so it should have been golden.

[@cloudedheart_]

If you want a paternity test, fine, that's your right, but don't expect your partner to not be offended or to stay with you after you implied they cheated on you. It's not their job to forgive you after you doubted your trust in them. Other people have feelings too, stop being vain and accept that.

[@michealwatts7469]

... Devils advocate on this: While fishing is for everyone.. I know plenty of women that have "Girls Night Out" or "Girls Road Trips". To say they are sexist for having a guys only fishing trip is a bit far fetched. The comment about "We wouldn't be able to camp out" that sure, sexist. This is of course coming from my family where the women on my dads side were RAISED in the wilderness.. It was normal to see my aunt scale her own fish and shoot her own deer however if women can have their trips then I mean Id say its fair for guys to be able to do the same without the sexist accusations.

[@brandi5126]

S2: NTA. It's you daughter. Not a wife nor girlfriend. Support your daughter. Not your toxic friends.

[@rachealborders]

For the stalker "friend": Check Google maps to set if he enabled location sharing to himself as it also shows phone battery percentage

[@juanhaines7295]

Story 1 nta he really doesn't have a reason not to trust her. But high key mandatory paternity test needs to be legal. To many men get screwed over paying for children that aren't theirs.

[@CarbuncleYT]

So it’s guilty till proven innocent basically.

[@juanhaines7295]

@Retr0 not really. I feel like the only women who have a problem with this is if they did cheat and they know or don't know the child is the fathers.

[@halla3184]

@@juanhaines7295 Uh no? If I had my integrity called into question, not based on my own actions but on those of others, just because I happen to share a gender with them, I would be fucking pissed? Way to label *all* women as untrustworthy unless proven otherwise. Sure love the idea that I as an individual can be the most honest, loyal and dedicated partner possible and still have all that ignored in favor of "but other wamen cheat so what if???". That's just straight up prejudice. I am sorry for the men out there who get screwed over, but this is _not_ the way to fix this issue. Cheating will break the trust in a relationship. Accusing someone of cheating with no evidence for it implies that there was never any trust to begin with. How is one more forgivable than the other? Both will end the relationship, that's for sure. Your solution will only create more problems.

[@sapphicgeek24]

I agree with your stance but that's not what this is. He's demanding this out of nowhere because his "bro" said he should. Why isn't he discussing this with his wife? He can be an adult and approach his wife like a grown-up instead of springing it and ruining his marriage. Asking for a paternity test without prior discussion can absolutely be interpreted as an accusation of infidelity by the wife.

[@juanhaines7295]

@Halla like I said he has no reason not to trust her. Its his friend who got in his head. But even still this happens way to happen if that's not the way to be fixed then what is? Because I'm not seeing very many other opinions.

[@laura0532]

Is the fishing fiasco a Tim McGraw song?🎶😂 Seriously though, sounds like the perfect time to include little girls. Make it an everyone’s welcome sort of thing. Change is good.🎣😊

[@Painted-Coyote]

LOVING the dog background, very fun!

[@UltimateEdgeLord.4.2.0.6.9.]

Story 1: ESH. Okay hear me out, im gonna play devil's advocate for just a moment. Not even trying to understand where your friend is coming from, or the act of trying to convince him to take his significant other's word for it alone is not exactly stellar advice. Asking for a paternity test is not a direct accusation of infidelity. It is simply a fact of being certain of whether the baby is yours or not. He has a complete right to know this information. And for those saying he should simply take her word for it, let's just say this: When a woman gives birth to a baby, there is absolutely no question about whether it is hers or not. It is statistically and logically evident. When a woman has a child, her knowledge of paternity is grounded within facts and absolute certainty. Whereas for men, knowledge of paternity is expected to be grounded in nothing but faith and trust alone. This is not an equal dynamic, nor is it really fair. 100% certainty over the paternity of your child is a parental right for both a mother and a father alike. And it should be treated as such without people getting defensive. However, with that said, i do think that the friend in question is being a huge jerk as well. Because typically, agreements on a paternity test is subject discussed before even having children or giving birth. But because of the circumstances, i can see why that never happened. Furthermore, the friend in question could at least let his significant other heal from the difficult birthing process and give her some time to get her head on straight. That baby is not going anywhere. Give it a little bit of time first. There is a time and a place for everything, and he needs to give her the the time she needs before dropping this on her. Once things settle down again, he should sit her down and talk about it with her. And while doing so, he should explain that he is not accusing her of cheating, just simply trying to exercise his right as a parent, and explain how he wants to be on an equal basis as her in terms of paternity knowledge.

[@zachf748]

*_Story #2_* That’s absolutely ridiculous. How do you even tell your friend not to bring his kid after you’ve brought your kid?…

[@agingophelia9812]

WTF with a friend saying it's harmless while you're telling them you feel harmed???

[@kaykay8855]

Story 1: NTA. I heard this story before, Nick ruined his own marriage.

[@frostdevil9028]

Even though op isn't in the wrong,I would get a paternity test the moment the baby is born.because alot of men get cheated on and find out to late

[@kaykay8855]

@@frostdevil9028 but Nick outright admits that she didn’t cheat on him and that his other ‘friend’ gave him the idea.

[@CarbuncleYT]

@@frostdevil9028 how come everyone making this argument can’t tell the difference between to and too?

[@frostdevil9028]

@@kaykay8855 yeah,I'm just stating that people should get a paternity test to have confirmation,if she did cheat without him knowing,he would know immediately

[@frostdevil9028]

@@CarbuncleYT wym?

[@benjie128]

I had a friend who had a serious crush on me. And then one day, sent me a message from an instant messenger app with his user id set as his initials and *my* school ID number. A number he had no legitimate reason to know. And the creep factor went beyond "innocent crush" to "stalker." Its been over 2 decades since I stopped contact. I still occasionally get a long letter (or more recently email) but I never respond.

[@tamsel814]

Story 3: YTA. about paying 50% for the gift that a kid asks for. I can see multiple issues to this. 1) the bio kids would have to know that they can ask for very expensive gifts 2) the mom needs to be able to pay the other 50% 3) the mom would have to agree to a shared gift or multiple shared gifts. On top of this op is behind on his childsupport. (or he has paid all the money back without mentioning it in the story which I think is very unlikely)

[@alexanderhenby1362]

It's not 50 percent of an xbox or a switch, its 50 percent of a CAR, for two kids, that is 1 freaking car. Also one got an Xbox and one got a new Guitar, the kids know they can ask for more expensive gifts cause those are easily 400 plus bucks a peice. Two cars arent a thing that a person can just be expected to drop out of the blue. I think asking ex to pay half is totally reasonable. (Also there is more to a car than just upfront, can mom afford to put kids on her insurance policy since they live with her? Can they afford upkeep or repairs if something happens? Are biokids responsible enough for a car? That's a lot to ask of a 17 year old)

[@thomasjoseph5876]

All of the people I know that have mixed families make sure all of the gifts to the kids are of comparable value based on the ages of the kids. Naturally, the older kid's gifts are fewer in quantity but bigger in value. If you say we are going to spend $1000 value on a gift(s) for a 17-year-old, fine, then all of the kids around that age get the same value gift whether it goes towards purchasing a car or a rad total gaming set-up, etc. It also shouldn't matter if it is for her kid, she should have to match that value for his kids as well since he is doing it for her kid. So basically, the father and step-mother paid for the entire cost of a car for her kid. They should do the same for his kids as well.

[@pippo17173]

The moment I hear about the cheating, I was on the gut that I didn't need to read the rest to know that OP is terrible.

[@llIIllIIIIll]

@@pippo17173 furry💀

[@fiyahquacker2835]

@@alexanderhenby1362 no if you're behind on child support equal to or exceeding the payment of the car then you should pay for all of it while you get a reduction equal to the amount pay over half the cost of the car.

[@jimdob6528]

Story 1 esh. All children should be paternity tested and they should be genetically screened anyway because even at birth there are 67 known genetic disorders/diseases that can be identified and if the child knows what to expect for the future then they can better prepare for life. I’m all for guys secretly genetically testing their own family.

[@superzooperhaze6597]

don’t have kids until you get help for your paranoia.

[@fiyahquacker2835]

No you're a bloody asshole and should really get your sh×t together rather than being deceptive like the couple that stole a kitten someone else paid for.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

4:48 so I'm confused. You're saying he should stay with her even if the kid isn't his because divorce is worse

[@thejackofjs4629]

Me, my boyfriend, and my best friend are all in a group together in Life 360 because they are both worried I'm gonna get kidnapped, and I've had a few close calls, so I agreed. I'm 17 f and they are both 18 m. Neither look at the app unless they notice my phone is dying or I ask them to watch me, but I know they have my information like this and that's difference between me and the op in the last story

[@pezchef7577]

those ginger candies are delicious. doont let the coworkers know pregnancy test are sometimes used on men to detect early stages of some cancers. 😭🤣

[@MN-zh2vd]

Awwww, puppy kissies are so sweet. ❤❤❤

[@Jrskeetpro]

And then there’s me, a dude, looking for a pregnancy pillow lol Some people are weird lol

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Evil man friend: get paternity test Good woman friend: cheat

[@potatoempress5731]

I've missed your sassy takes, Markee. Please keep em lol

[@trashcan2748]

In story five (stalker)), they need Jesus and a restraining order to stay far, far away from that creep!!

[@kensprivateinvestigation2128]

Story 1 yta The fact that paternity tests aren't mandatory is terrible. On the off chance that the child isn't his you just doomed him into being financially liable to the affair baby

[@draconicfeline6177]

Hospitals should DNA test parents and child for many reasons, definitely, paternity being one of them (assuming the hospital doesn't them charge out tge wazoo...) but a paternity test out of the blue while wife is recovering from a really traumatic birth is absolutely an accusation and just plain uncool. OPs friend is a tool.

[@m0nkEz]

Agreed. This is something that should be normalized, but this isn't normalizing it, this is simply him refusing to trust his partner.

[@CanonSkyrissian]

this is what I was gonna say too. normalizing dna tests after birth would be a good idea all around (not only for confirming paternity but also preventing baby swaps). op's friend and his incel buddy are asshats though.

[@tvdsje]

Why would a hospital have use for a paternity test. It's about the last test on the priority list for hospitals. Also men wanting all kids to go through unnecessary testing because they are too much of a coward to face the consequences of their actions are pathetic

[@fiyahquacker2835]

@@tvdsje are you seriously this f×××ing stupid, are not even a guy or both?

[@llcdrdndgrbd]

Genetic testing has a lot of legal implications, and there are all sorts of ethical concerns surrounding it, there’s too much legal baggage surrounding genetic testing and not enough widespread demand for hospitals to try to institute this as a standard of care.

[@kimk3865]

Re: ginger candy ... the people upset about "pregnancy candy" are ignorant and being dramatic. As a 58 year old cancer patient, I use the same candy for chemo related nausea. What a thing to worry about!

[@kittylovesfilms]

Thank you Markee for reading the stories and creating these videos. Much love to you friend *fistbumps*

[@kittylovesfilms]

Also, once more Thank You for bringing back reading the titles of the stories. Much appreciated 😀

[@RWorley3sl]

The friends should have made a no female rule, which is understandanle, if its about bonding, not sexism. I support only female trips so i can't deny an only guy trip.. You ever notice that the things that are female are things that you need to live. Food, clean house, clean clothes. Why would a mom purposely make her son unable to take care of himself. My dad made sure us girls could take care of our car and what we wanted to learn about outside work. My sil was very happy that my brother can cook when she couldn't get out of bed when pregnant.

[@axepagode33626]

Markee: "Real men eat lawnmowers and Dallas Cowboys!" Me: One, no one can eat a lawnmower. Two, it is the gay men that would eat Troy Aikman or Emmitt Smith.

[@trevor7520]

Untrue, i can eat both emmit smith and a lawnmower. while gay

[@axepagode33626]

@@trevor7520 Trevor, you are a Real Man.

[@trevor7520]

@@axepagode33626 i am so full of lawnmower. help

[@InItForTheParking]

I doubt seriously there were ever actual "rules" put in place for the fishing trip. It was likely someone said no wives or girlfriends and everyone accepted that as guys only. It isn't sexist...it's a chance for guys to be guys without having to be polite or faking some kind of sweetness. Why does she need to go on THAT trip? Why can't you take her on a separate trip? YTA

[@drako8343]

Someone who understands what actually happened

[@MsMookalate]

Nah update is needed. I’ll come back when there is one

[@IForgetWorlds]

Early! Yay! Thanks for the great content Markee!

[@alexanderhenby1362]

Car dad story. I think he would be the asshole if he hadn't offered to pay half for each. He paid half for stepson, he offered to pay half for bio kids. He's absolutely treating them the same and honestly, good on him for that. Ex is the asshole wanting 2 free cars instead of meeting OP half way.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

No, the father and his current wife, the step-mother should pay the exact same total amount towards a car (or another gift of their choice) for his kids as well. If the father paid $2k and the step-mother paid $2k for her son's car then they both need to pay that same amount for each of his kids (age-appropriate). The ex-wife (bio-mom) of the father's kids is not an issue in this and she shouldn't even be considered since she is not a member of their family. If you don't keep the value for the gifts equally between the kids you are showing a form of favoritism.

[@HarryVibes36]

@@thomasjoseph5876 does that mean he favors his son more than his daughter because a Xbox can be more expensive than a guitar?

[@DzznuttsEniomouf]

This story was posted on another video yesterday and I lashed out on that. OP is NTA. He literally got what the kids asked for and they're not complaining about not having a car. This is about the ex being bitter that OP is turning his life around and succeeding. He's paying his _child_ support (emphasis on child) and he's doing right by them. Ex just wants a higher cashout from him.

[@audreynothepburn7663]

@@DzznuttsEniomouf thank you!

[@thomasjoseph5876]

@@DzznuttsEniomouf I disagree.

[@ericwilliams1659]

Hey guys - Midol is great for hangover. One pill had caffeine, Tylenol and an anti-histamine. And pedialyte (for rehydration) is not just for kids. As long as your functional you are not an alcoholic.

[@frogking6416]

"as long as you're functional you are not an alcoholic" nah you're an alcoholic just a functional alcoholic

[@ketsyamota]

I eat those ginger candies every day because I have so many issues with my stomach. They're great.

[@ViridianAubergine]

I know the phrase "chinese whispers" is synonymous with "gossip" or "telephone", but as a person of chinese descent MAN does it make me uncomfortable.

[@travislee3203]

I think a man should announce his intention to do a paternity test, NO MATTER WHAT. I’ve seen too many stories where. Man discovers he’s not the father Years and years down the line. If the wife digs in her heels and fights the issue, he should do it on the sly. I’ve read that something like a third Of babies born don’t have the father the “fathers” thought they did.

[@surrealistgirlx]

Love the new backgrounds. Thrilled that you have a podcast.

[@AlexzandriaL]

I have life360 with my boyfriend and with my best friend, on different groups. My best friend and I both commute long distances, so we have it for safety reasons. We don't pay attention to it much. Mostly if we know the other is driving really far and wanna check they are safe without making them text while driving. We also use it when we are meeting up to see if they other is on their way, how long it will take for them to get there, where they are parked. We don't use it invasively. My boyfriend and I use it partially because I commute and feel safer when there are people who know where I am. Also so we can see if the other is home or at work before bugging them. And to see how far they are from places while heading there. We use it in a noninvasive way. I would never have gotten it with my dad, even though he wanted me to, because he is snoopy and controlling. There are some people who just don't need that info.

[@Tyggs42]

Ah, MGTOW.... Incels by any other name are still incels. also kudos for going back to the usual format for transitions and stuff. Plus Markee comments are always welcome.

[@annegrey6447]

I love those ginger candies! Except during the worst parts (where moving my head made me want to upchuck) these were a lifesaver when I had bronchitis. I also love floats made from ginger ale & lime sherbet.

[@deaths_enigma]

I kinda gotta disagree on story 3- I find it remarkable that OP pulled himself out of the void. Addiction is a horrible thing and he's still learning how to be a good parent He went halves on a car and said he was willing to for the biokids, I believe him I hope things work out for him and his kids

[@lenax9798]

Finally someone with a brain. Besides, they asked for a game console, not a car. If i asked my dad for a laptop and he gave me a car, I'd be pissed . Dad did what the kids asked for. Good dad

[@hannijr6120]

@@lenax9798after he left them for years. He is terrible father and if you think he is good then i am sorry that you did not have a good father figure in your life

[@astronautviolet153]

Story 1 NTA Opies a good friend and Nick is an idiot, he is going to ruin his own marriage.

[@thomasjoseph5876]

He does seem like an idiot in it especially allowing his so-called friend to urge him to do it. However, with the large number of kids not biologically being the fathers coming to light these days because of the ease and inexpense of a home DNA kit, men are scared, some rightfully so, some not. We are talking about guys who have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars paying for someone else's kid which is essentially fraud. Some states are finally starting to take it seriously and allowing prosecution of the mothers for it.

[@RealmfCubey]

If you are unsure, don't be like a fu*king airport and make announcements. Do it on the dl. It'll give peace of mind.

[@simac8396]

Story 5: what do you mean by "Joking" about it?