Nietzsche Was Right About the Death of God |

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[@ObeyNoLies]

Nietzsche was brilliant in so many ways. He predicted the behavior that many of the young generation would fall into, that nihilism of the soul, long before the internet existed. He understood human nature on a deep and profound level.

[@WestlehSeyweld]

"The Last Man" that Nietzsche spoke of is spot on for today’s society. Though I have always felt that Peterson intentionally refrains from fully explaining why Nietzsche disliked Christianity so much. He nitpicks specific quotes and ideas from Nietzsche and overemphasizes them to support his own beliefs. He never explains the full picture to his audience, sometimes even misrepresenting it entirely. Peterson probably does this on purpose as Nietzsche’s ideas and beliefs on Christian morality are almost polar opposite to his own. Yes, Nietzsche did predict leftist bullshit, but he attributed it to liberal egalitarian thought which itself is rooted in Christian morality, all men are created equal and be altruistic type stuff. Nietzsche blanketed all this under what he called Slave Morality, and leftism is this taken to the logical extreme. "All men are equal, so any social inequality exist because of evil people and so they must be removed, only then will we have an egalitarian utopia" JP loves Christian ethics and sees it as the key to fighting leftism/nihilism and so never talks about how Nietzsche literally blames it for being the slippery slope into leftism. Also the revaluation of values (flip your values and morality is a better translation) wasn’t something he predicted but something he thought up of as a way to get folks out the slave morality rut which dominates modern world. This entire redo of morality towards a “Will to Power” is what leads into the idea of the Overman (Übermensch). Edit: To elaborate on how modern leftism is based on Christian morality. Before Christianity the dominate morality of Europe was a might makes right type deal, “The strong do what they will, and the weak stuffer what they must” Literally a line given to a city by Athenian diplomats right before they exterminated them, they cited them simply being “weaker” than Athens as justification for this. Back before Christianity, the "good" was the noble, the strong, and the powerful, the “bad” was what lacked these things, the weak. Christianity and Late Judaism, as Nietzsche held it, were born out of and spread by the slave class of antiquity. Out of resentment for their masters they created their own morality by flipping the dominate morality which subjugated them. They made being humble, empathetic, timid, kindness and weakness “good” and all things that the “master morality” held as good they made “evil”. They lacked power in this world so they gave themselves the power in the next, as in heaven for them by being weak and kind with hell for those who oppressed them. It’s all about resentment of the powerful, like what you see today in modern leftist thought. I would recommend anyone reading this to read Nietzsche’s genealogy of morals, familiarize yourself with Nietzsche’s concepts yourself before questioning me as if I invented it.

[@Michael-k6t4o]

Thanks for selling our government out to jews, chinese, Mexicans, and blacks. I love living in this country hehehee, I definely don't want this entire country to collapse.

[@waynechrisco1163]

​@@WestlehSeyweldthis just sounds like a nihilist vent in regards to a religion they aren't a part of. Failing to see the point of the perpetual struggle of dealing with the evil people so defined by a liberal leaning ideology. What's the point? Well if you don't believe in Heaven and moral good that Christianity aims for then why would you go out of your way?

[@WestlehSeyweld]

@@waynechrisco1163 Just go read Nietzsche for yourself, everything you mentioned in touched on heavily across in his writings. I am not gonna paraphrase for you.

[@ObeyNoLies]

@@WestlehSeyweldTotally agree with you, I'm quite aware of this in fact, thank you for mentioning. Also I would add that Nietzsche was was aware even of the irony in his own writing and knew that his writing could be considered a criticism of Western thought (like by Foucault) or otherwise misquoted. That's why in Twilight of the Idols he likened himself to a man in a garden full of statues, throwing rocks at them to see which break. He knew he could be construed as an ironic figure and felt that he had to embrace the fact. The fact that he inspired much of the conflict he predicted I'm sure would have been bizarre even to him.

[@articulateit-andgetwhatyouwant]

Such a great and inspiring teacher. Thank you JP

[@waltershaffer7233]

Sounds like exactly what's happening in the US now.

[@trax72]

Bwahahahahahaha

[@MarcosRobles-oj7om]

He's lying tho, NIETZSCHE BLAME CAPITALISM FOR GIVING BIRTH TO COMMUNISM, AND HE HATED RELIGION SPECIFICALLY JESUS

[@amira-zc7hd]

God is everywhere, ALL the time. The devil slithers into where boredom is. Keep your MINDS AND BODIES STRONG. Believe it or not but We WILL RISE AGAIN.

[@Geronimo22]

😇

[@seandmoore6922]

BUAHAHAHAHA!!

[@GreenRiver72]

That's right!

[@swordfightintheforest8126]

LOL!

[@IstvanFilko]

We know he's a genius but by far he is one of the most well-dressed men on the planet.

[@James-ll3jb]

A well-dressed liar.😅 Question: Jordan Peterson claims Nietzsche said in The Will to Power that 100 million people would die due to communism. Is this true? He says this around this timestamp in the video when discussing Nietzsche. I did a CTRL + F search in The Will to Power for every time Nietzsche says "communism," "communist," "socialism," and "socialist" and none talk about any quantity of deaths due to it. Is it safe to say Peterson made a false statement? Answer: He also says that Nietzsche had already predicted the rise of communism in his writings "by about 1850." ...But Nietzsche hadn't written and published anything until 1871 (!) Clearly a false statement! I think this gives some insight into Peterson. He isn't saying 'because of the rise of communism' which is actually a more charitable interpretation to give him. Instead he says 'because of the rise of communist ideas". For Peterson we don't even need the presence of communism for bad things to happen, we need the presence (whatever this means in terms of ideas) of communist ideas. Peterson has a weird view of ideas, he thinks ideas have special causal powers so he gets freaked out when he 'sees' these ideas around since he thinks that the very presence of these ideas in large numbers signals that something is going to happen. Not only is Peterson's view of communism whack, but he also just totally gets wrong how communism has historically formed. No historian worth their salt would ever say that ideas caused communism. The closest we get to Nietzsche talking about dead people and socialism in The Will to Power (which wasn't published until after his death in August of 1900): //In the teaching of socialism "a will to the denial of life" is but poorly concealed: botched men and races they must be who have devised a teaching of this sort. In fact, I even wish a few experiments might be made to show that in a socialistic society, life denies itself, and itself cuts away its own roots. The earth is big enough and man is still unexhausted enough for a practical lesson of this sort and demonstratio ad absurdum--even if it were accomplished only by a vast expenditure of lives--to seem worth while to me.// So there's no prediction about millions of dead. We should not interpret 'life denial' as 'killing people' -- notice how he says we need to see the life denial even if it ends up killing people. The core bad thing about socialism is the life denial aspect. He's not even making a prediction about the vast expenditure of life, this is not the thing he expects. Life-denial is related to the Stoics, the Christians, the Herd, it is not exclusive to communism. This sort of view about how socialism will be a form of life denial is in contrast to the revolutionary spirit that thinks communism will be something new and better. Nietzsche thinks that it will perpetuate the same. I mean really look at what Nietzsche says next if you want a good idea of what Peterson is leaving unsaid. //Still, Socialism, like a restless mole beneath the foundations of a society wallowing in stupidity, will be able to achieve something useful and salutary: it delays "Peace on Earth" and the whole process of character-softening of the democratic herding animal; it forces the European to have an extra supply of intellect,--that is to say, craft and caution, and prevents his entirely abandoning the manly and warlike qualities,--it also saves Europe awhile from the marasmus femininus which is threatening it.// This is the real threat as Nietzsche sees it. Feminine decay is the biggest threat, the loss of the 'manly and warlike qualities'. This is what Peterson is gunning after I think, but he just doesn't want to say it outright (order = white masculine hero, disorder = feminine black snake). Socialism is at least holding back the feminine decay of western society present in the democratic herd. Peterson's fear about how socialism will kill a lot of people is totally not what Nietzsche is saying here, or his main target, and I think Peterson knows this. Nietzsche's main target in this book is not socialism, but the fact that the democratic here 'softens' and kills the noble as best seen through Christianity: //What is it we combat in Christianity? That it aims at destroying the strong, at breaking their spirit, at exploiting their moments of weariness and debility, at converting their proud assurance into anxiety and conscience-trouble; that it knows how to poison the noblest instincts and to infect them with disease, until their strength, their will to power, turns inwards, against themselves--until the strong perish through their excessive self-contempt and self-immolation: that gruesome way of perishing, of which Pascal is the most famous example.// In short, notice how when Peterson talks about how bad communism was he always brings up the Gulags and how bad they were and how bad it is that millions of people died. But this is not Nietzsche's worry with socialism/communism. He is more worried about the 'life denial' aspect. Also value creation and self-creation probably doesn't operate at an individual level.

[@ben8147]

Lol idk with that half red half blue suit he’s been rocking

[@gracefulhealer935]

Nah not all men wear archaic dress clothes

[@hillary1161]

He dresses that way, more than likely, out of respect ❤

[@James-ll3jb]

@@hillary1161 . A $38,000 suit? Out of respect for what? His own narcissism? (Lol)

[@grendol6968]

Maybe that explains the Roman emperors, the death of the previous ‘god’ emperor, and the new totalitarianism of the new emperor. I would even hazard to propose this is the explanation for the behavior of many if not most governmental power shifts that occur after the death of many a ‘god’ king-queen/emperor/dictator type. Think of the Pharaohs, European kings, Chinese emperors, and Latin American leaders (Kings? Emperors?) previous to the collapse after the old world-new world interactions began. I am beginning to feel that this may be ‘part of the human condition’ as I see similar reactionary events repeated in the history I see. I am curious about your thoughts.

[@jujupants2486]

I forget who originally said it but; "History doesnt always repeat, but it certainly rhymes."

[@rocalmeida9739]

we needed a Savior. Jesus is He. Humanity separated from God, lost His image, i.e. character...God provided the saving grace of changing usringingbus nack into alighnment with Himself through the Messiah. This is one of the reasons for hatred for the Jews. Salvation IS of the JEWS. Fallen man, trapped by the enemy...caused this breech. The Spiritual warfare is what its about. The Good News. God wins. Jesus is the 2nd Adam. The Last Adam. The God/man which God intended.

[@jujupants2486]

@@rocalmeida9739 Tell that to Hamas, then come back and tell the rest of us how it went.

[@joebarlow3546]

Nietzche was 6 years old in 1850 😂

[@alexithymia9337]

How did he nail it at 6 years old? That is impressive. Born 1844.

[@SeanV-u9x]

Funny. No, Nietzche got it right later than that date. I think Jordan made a mistake in speaking.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

That kind of foresight is just....wow!

[@tammivandyke2889]

God is all we have. There isn't anything else. Eternal separation for Almighty God is horrific option to say the very least.

[@cclark3]

Nietzsche was definitely a prophet in that sense

[@Jervisdude]

The radical right is much more frightening. We saw it with Franco

[@ernst624]

Franco was worse than Stalin? Mao?🤔

[@Barushia]

He misses one thing about nietzsches death of god. Peterson usually says that it wasnt a happy declaration by nietzsche when he announced the death of god and it wasnt in one of the paragraphes. But in the other paragrafs in thus spoke zarathustra it was a happy one and nietzsche proclaimed that humans, mainly the superhumans have to make up their own values without God and that that was a good thing.

[@plentigaff]

exactly! nietzsche wasn't writing to general people; he was writing to his "free spirits," those who would see the death of god as a liberating call to transvaluation. to nietzsche, this death of god was like an open sea of opportunity, a beautiful thing.

[@zinclonius]

Jordan got his teeth done, looks totally different

[@DiggerWhoops]

So much reference to "the radical left." What about "the radical right," does it exist?

[@claudiapost-schultzke7216]

i think JP never read Nitschke

[@sarahdeason493]

❤ Jordan n love to hear him speak

[@tinatimthompson3115]

Death and hated mean the same thing here... And yes majority of "athiests are closet God-haters." Totally messed up. I sympathize with ppl who really struggle with God but not to many of those these days. Some saved of love some of fear. As long as you grt there.....❤

[@mwilliams264]

Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[@Handlebar-MustDash]

So right wing Nietzsche made a 50/50 guess to apportion blame - Left or Right. Not even as hard as a multiple choice question. He may as well have tossed a coin.

[@Handlebar-MustDash]

@@NegativSpace-pd6cz You are happy to take that as a point. Peterson is quoting Nietzsche as though he is a reliable source of fact, he is merely a source of a biased opinion. It plays well to the right wing crowd, as does becoming a $$$Christian$$$ all of a sudden. 🤫 'Don't mention the Drug Hypocrisy though' 🫣 Bad for book sales when the narrative is founded on a lie. Money is a Bluebottle to Peterson and he the Chameleon, changing colours, swivelling his eyes at the prize then out comes the new opinion at 70mph 😂. Rules for thee but not for me.

[@New-Moderate]

It’s not a 50/50 guess if you have a reasoned position for one versus the other.

[@Brien831]

Nietzsche despised politics, be it right wing or left wing. Left wing for its will to equality and right wing for its adherence to values. Politicians were just as bad as preachers to him. Dont take any of JP’s takes on Nietzsche seriously, I doibt he even read him.

[@NegativSpace-pd6cz]

@@Brien831 I'll never understand all the ad hominem attacks on JP. "I doubt he even read him", why say that when you truly have no idea whether he has or not? Do I detect a hint of jealousy?

[@Brien831]

@@NegativSpace-pd6cz I suggest you read Nietzsche. Survey what he means by “God is dead” and how Peterson misrepresents it. It isnt an ad hominem, it simply is a suspicion I voiced, stemming from his obviously superficial knowledge. I recommend reading Beyond Good and Evil or at least watch Weltgeist’s videos on the matter, that channel has very decent interpretations. At least see for yourself, wether I speak honest or not.

[@OMeromero]

So much of what he is saying is almost true but actually false. Just one example- in 1850 Nietzsche was 6 years old.

[@auntistella]

If he explained his position from a position of ACTUALLY BELIEVING GOD WAS DEAD HIMSELF then he was wrong about that particular issue HOWEVER if he was explaining what the end result would be IF HUMANITY BELIEVED GOD WAS DEAD and that being the end result of what we are seeing now and quickly headed towards THEN he was right. BUT if you merely read THE BIBLE you would already know that and he was merely RESTATING what the Bible has so clearly explained for thousands of years

[@merindareyneke4211]

So who is this god that died?

[@officialCannisMajoris]

We are fighting back against the beast. We will win and we will rise from the ashes once again

[@daedric1387]

If god is dead then people have a nasty habit of doing heinous shit in the name of a corpse so beaten it makes the proverbial dead horse seem edible in comparison.

[@EDUARDO1LCA]

Can you imagine, if God could die, everything would disappear. Without God there is nothing.

[@zigzag-xx2yd]

Doea anyone teally understand jordans speach. Don't pretend like you do! Hahahaha. Such an awesome mind!

[@michaelsnider2484]

Fortunately, God is alive and well. 💙

[@aakankinskywalker384]

Nope he is not. Sadly he died, and we all are going to die tooo.

[@michaelsnider2484]

@@aakankinskywalker384 My Dear Skywalker. You think He's dead? Just ask Him. I triple dog dare you. 😄😁😊 Yep, that's right. I'm goin' straight to the triple dog!!

[@PatrickDenehy-f4k]

He only had to look at china

[@notyourmother445]

Evolution over stagnation - natural selection will take place either way.

[@tigerdank5666]

Interesting

[@New-Moderate]

If Nietzsche nailed it in 1850, he really was a genius because he would have been 6 years old at the time.

[@TheWilsones]

Dude, the intellectual fraudulence of JP never ceases to astound.

[@Dawn952]

Never forget that there are ditches on both sides of the street

[@huntermanney2723]

Hmm

[@mockdawg]

Jordan's startin' to look like a wizard.

[@barrywhite36]

The death of wisdom is the biggest catastrophe as dr Peterson stated. And what is wisdom? Probably one of the most profound verses ever written in history if you can grasp it fully “ fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom “

[@grapenut6094]

​@@barrywhite36 Everyone thinks they have something insightful to say, nothing profound about it. A truly moral system requires consistency to function and you wont get that adhereing strictly to the jewrag/bible/quran. There are some downright evil prescriptions in there you will never convince me are acceptable.

[@barrywhite36]

@@grapenut6094 where do you get your moral compass from ? If your an atheist, you haven’t got one. Good and evil is just down to your opinion and interpretation

[@barrywhite36]

If you think your a bastion of absolute moral authority and light to the world , I would just say , we all have faults and all of us are blind to the evil in our hearts. Whether you like to admit it or not , we all bend the knee to a god. Some peoples god is money , some it’s lust . Or even worse , people that bend the knee to the state as the highest authority.

[@grapenut6094]

@@barrywhite36 This is ideological nonsense to me. You cant just divide by zero and then act like 2+2=5 is an acceptable answer throwing a tantrum like some toddler whos just been told that toy dont belong to him. I own myself, your fist ends where my face begins, you spit in my face dont be surprised when I spit in yours. These are the types of values that kick started America, they came about despite religion and they arent yours to claim. Regardless where they came from, the enforcement of your beliefs comes from the state so thats your problem as well, its not unique to me.

[@hankmann2508]

Much like George Orwell, Nietzsche was a century ahead of his time.

[@Sedona119]

damn near two centuries ahead of his time

[@horacio373]

We have "telescreens" in our pockets all the time, they can listen and know everythig we do all the time

[@sleeperino3054]

Just like Kanye

[@_Ayush.9759]

Brother, Orwell was like two headed person. I do not think Nietzsche was like that.

[@_Ayush.9759]

​@@sleeperino3054you must be joking

[@robertpsotka3525]

Nailed that one

[@ryanocallaghan7087]

It's easy to guess what would happen when the worship of the most high is replaced w self worship.

[@NegativSpace-pd6cz]

Yes, the death of community values. God connects us to one another and provides the context and foundations necessary to build strong communities. When self worship becomes the norm, the sense of community dies. Slowly and painfully. The fact of the matter is that humans are religious creatures - take away their God/s and they will find something else to worship.

[@untaintedwheelchair]

Don't confuse atheism with nihilism or egocentric and narcissistic charactistics. People can develop (consciously and unconsciously) any number of characteristics, values, and principles. The removal or absence of a god / religious figure enables people to think outside of a primitive cognitive framework that explicitly condones incest, wife-beating, battery and intolerance. One can be conscientious and not religious. Community values can be taught or acquired without beliefs.

[@criticalthinker8007]

He is talking about nihilism which is not about self worship it is about worshiping nothing, believing in nothing , having no values, no interest in anything.

[@criticalthinker8007]

@@NegativSpace-pd6cz There is nothing good about worship, respect yes but not worship. If God is really and good then God would be appalled at the idea of anybody worshipping him. If God is real and demands worship then God by definition cannot be all good.

[@NegativSpace-pd6cz]

@@criticalthinker8007 You miss the point. Human's worship things no matter what, it's in our nature. Look at celebrity worship in the our day (e.g. young girls screaming because of The Beatles back in the day), or the worship of gods and deities in times past. The definition of "worship": the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity. Also I never said "God demands worship", try to pay more attention when you engage in a debate. My point is, if you don't choose your gods/God carefully, you will end up worshipping some lesser one. Worshipping yourself is not a great thing to do, nor is worshipping other human beings. Find something that transcends matter to worship, something that will see you right through your life, even in the face of death.

[@rubif5797]

JP dishonestly misrepresents Nietzsche to fit his narative. Nietzsche would despise this nonsense.

[@kiwisaram9373]

But would he have rejoiced or feared the consequences of the lose of faith in God?

[@rubif5797]

@@kiwisaram9373 maybe read "Der Antichrist" by Nietzsche. Should give some insight into it.

[@Brien831]

@@kiwisaram9373Both. He feared the looming threat of nihilism but saw it as a chance for self realization as well.

[@africanzungu7350]

Based take

[@mortache]

Yeah what is more totalitarian than a capitalist entity like Amazon? What power does a warehouse worker have against god king Bezos?

[@DeadEndFrog]

He also predicted jordan and the new "religious" people: Rather than cope with the unbearable loneliness of their condition men will continue to seek their shattered God, and for His sake they will love the very serpents that dwell among His ruins. But of course he wouldnt tell you that :^)

[@IFYOUWANTITGOGETIT]

Exactly

[@FermanEduServices]

True, but how you cope with that? Look at you

[@DeadEndFrog]

@@FermanEduServices I dont find it necessary, therfor i dont need to cope. Coping is done within a situation, so changeing ones situation makes it unecessary to cope. You have to look at yourself and your own situation inorder to escape the coping

[@jedidiah5515]

The only problem is that Jesus has defeated death. He is risen. And there are now more Christian’s than ever before btw. Not much of a death, just a localized decay of western civilization. Atheism is a fad that will wash away in a matter of generations

[@thekingofthings2002]

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@zeb_reynolds]

quickly glanced at the name tagged in the title and thought Jordan was talking to Mia Khalifa lol

[@NegativSpace-pd6cz]

Plot twist: he was talking to Mia Khalifa, it was a typo

[@calebh6115]

Do me a favor everyone who sees this comment. Go actually read Nietzsche instead of listening to a guy talk about him. This framing is laughable

[@Brien831]

Agree, JP misrepresents the most basic of Nietzsche’s ideas.

[@dragushcobaj4121]

Perhaps no one has misconstrued Nietzsche more than Peterson. Read the passage “what our cheerfulness signifies” in the Gay science and tell me how accurate Peterson is.

[@tomtrahan8485]

Nietzsche was spot on!

[@Rick-bi9fw]

Jordan is a fraud. Lost all respect for this hypocrite bastard.

[@selfimprovehubcom]

Not correct

[@selfimprovehubcom]

God transcended

[@Tonibolognaaintnophony]

I could listen to this man, his wife, his daughter, whoever he influences, until his last breath. He gets it.....

[@TheSSEssesse]

I am a huge fan of Peterson, but make sure to cross reference him with other thinkers and those who have found flaws in some of his thinking. He’s not perfect (nobody is) so it’s important to be mindful of not holding him up like an idol and worshipping him.

[@troythemighty3683]

Be careful brother it sounds like you’re darn near worshipping the guy. He’s a human being just as you are.

[@ohh2752]

Listen to his daughter moan? You are sick.

[@Faye-el1bz]

@@troythemighty3683 well said

[@Faye-el1bz]

It's bloody unfair on a human being to idolised them We are all flawed humans

[@andrewwilliams8986]

No Peterson, he did not see it as the ultimate catastrophe. Perhaps a catastrophe for those needing of moral guidance, those unwilling or unable to function otherwise.

[@xalian17]

🤦🏻‍♀️

[@mylesanthony8672]

looking forward to seeing you in Amsterdam Oct'25 - 2nd row, and Belfast (where I live)

[@bugwild1544]

You Lucky

[@danny9905]

I wish I could’ve seen him in either city, Amsterdam is in my country, but I’d love to see Northern Ireland as well!

[@mylesanthony8672]

indeed hes a spectacular speaker@@danny9905

[@mylesanthony8672]

thank you @@bugwild1544

[@youtubehatesfreespeech2555]

When will this dude read any of the books he's commenting on. Nietzsche didn't think any of the things Jordy is saying here.

[@Joe-os3vp]

And in 1850 Nietzsche was 6! Either Jordan Peterson knows next to nothing about Nietzsche (and projected his own opinions onto him), or he's losing his memory, or both.

[@carlosderegil8674]

Maestro can you talk about Emanuel Kant ? Or it’s just out of the question . Mexican fan número one , saludos

[@WhenIsItUs]

This sounds like a drastic leap from what he might have said, not to mention a fair departure from what he actually wrote.

[@scribbler60]

All one has to do is look at the difference between countries with high religiosity and those with low religiosity. High religiosity = Iran, parts of the southern US, Iraq. Low religiosity = Sweden, Denmark, France. Now, where would you rather live?

[@abulahab6528]

Nice new bottom teeth JP!

[@rdalge]

Things were so awesome before the death of god. No wars, no conquests, no mass rapes or torture of enemies.

[@michael-hf7tn]

I know he Canadian, I won't hold that against him. I wish this man could be our president.

[@britpackdog4545]

President of wheres that?

[@PhilipIIofMacadamia]

Hold it against him? Lmfao hes still human homie xD why tf does it matter where hes from?

[@LegoAnimationGuy1]

​@@PhilipIIofMacadamiain the USA, you must be born in USA to be president. I think what was said made perfect sense. You like to go around mocking people?

[@rdalge]

If anyone could reduce the deficit, it’s a psychology university professor turned guru

[@rocalmeida9739]

Heres exactly the antithesis of what Dr. Peterson fights for; the silly bickering of some of these comments. Instead of addressing positively, to save lives and enlighten, as Jordan does, you unenlightened ones bicker, as the Titanic is sinking. Canada has cintributed to the world one of the greatest most godly human beings on the planet. For that alone I will always be grateful for that country. This iscwhat a REAL MAN looks like. God bless him forever.

[@journeywithin9155]

I have noticed more people turning back to God, myself included. Started at a new church and they have said their congregation has grown within this last year.

[@pmw3839]

Although I think the existence of a personal God is unlikely, I choose to believe in Him, because I think I need Him for my mental wellbeing. My belief is a deliberate choice. Not too interested in church or any formal religion though. Just a personal God. Someone who is all good, and who loves all of us. And who is always there for me.

[@thebumblebeemovie3514]

@@pmw3839 shouldn’t that say something though? The very fact that God is necessary for a society to function properly and effectively provides real psychological, logical, and emotional improvement in people by itself says something about the human mind and design. We really are made for relationship with someone Transcendent of ourselves. Also, Its good to be in church but unless you actually believe in what they teach, it won’t give you the fullest result because believing in the resurrection is fundamental in all of it (John 15). If you’re curious, I would recommend reading Cold Case Christianity, Case for Christ, or Cross Examined’s “I Don’t Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist.” That or listen to some of their videos on KZbin, they provide pretty substantial evidence for the resurrection and existence of God.

[@merindareyneke4211]

This god you are worshipping, is the deity of fortune. Look up H1408

[@adamgates1142]

@pmw3839 Sounds like it could be any imaginary character

[@NegativSpace-pd6cz]

@@adamgates1142 Human beings are religious by nature (look up the religious impulse - Carl Jung). Take away their Gods and they will find something else to worship. We should therefore worship the highest good we can possibly conceive of, to avoid worshipping false idols. So in a way, no, it can't be just "any imaginary character".

[@MerePasser-by-7482]

Yes, the time was 1850, when Nietzsche was about 6 years of age.

[@williamthomson1832]

I love this man but he tries to lose you on his sub words and make you second guess what he's saying until you figure it out

[@williamthomson1832]

Figure it out it's almost just a simple message but he makes it sound convoluted

[@patricksanders2219]

God never died only jesus

[@BobSmith-kk7lx]

Nietzsche is so good that to me hes at the top and all other writers come second by far.

[@sasamoharic2644]

It's important to note that Nietzsche's works are open to various interpretations, and his ideas have been used and misused by different ideologies throughout history. While Nietzsche did critique traditional religion and expressed skepticism about the idea of God, directly linking his philosophy to the rise of the left or totalitarianism is a matter of debate among scholars. Nietzsche's philosophy is rich and nuanced, and it covers a wide range of topics beyond religion, including ethics, morality, and the individual's place in society. To fully understand Nietzsche's ideas and their potential implications, it's advisable to study his works in their original context and engage with the extensive scholarship on his philosophy.

[@willek1335]

Since you're the expert, how about you put forth both sides of the argument: that Nietzsche foresaw a totalitarian regime to replace religion.

[@davidhawley1132]

It seems to me that the nuance of any influential thinker is lost by the populizers, in part to serve the agenda for which purpose they are popularizing. The scabbard is thrown away once the sword is unleashed for war.

[@sasamoharic2644]

@@willek1335 Statement "God is dead" in his work "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" wasn't explicitly a judgment of whether the death of God is a good or bad thing, but rather, it expressed changes in religious and philosophical beliefs in modern society. Moreover, Nietzsche had a critical stance towards Christianity and religious authorities of his time. He believed that traditional religious beliefs had lost their influence and significance in the modern world and were being replaced by other ideas such as science and individualism. The statement "God is dead" symbolically marked this shift. Since you don't know much (maybe only that you love Peterson so much) I do not intend to have a free lecture.

[@willek1335]

What it appears to me JP was referring to was what Nietzsche referred to as the "Last Man" or "der letzte Mensch." A consequence of rejecting traditional values in favour of nihilism. The resemblance in values between the ideals of the last man and the movements JP mentioned sufficiently match. Edit. The second part, appears to stem from Nietzsches views in On the Genealogy of Morality where he discusses the "origin" of the last man i.e. Slave Morality. We may also take a page from Beyond Good and Evil where Nietzsche explores herd morality and the dangers of conformity. I'm curious, who are these debating scholars ... were referring to?

[@sasamoharic2644]

@@willek1335 For example, Walter Kaufmann, known for his interpretations of Nietzsche that emphasize humanistic and affirmative aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy. Gilles Deleuze who explores the processes of achieving subjectivity and creativity through destructive forces. Martin Heidegger, whose interpretation focuses on questions of existence, authenticity, and ontology. He does not view Nietzsche as the "philosopher of the will to power," but as a philosopher who poses questions about being. However, while I clearly like Peterson, in this video I find it pretentious to suggest that Nietzsche in any way leans towards the idea of God and is (N.) through it united in some way in the fight against the lefties. N. ideology is primarily personal, full of aversion and disgust towards God, Christianity, or anything implying a herd and collectivism concept. In my opinion, all beforementioned simply doesn't allow "packaging" which is done in the video.

[@uyvonnemartian7614]

All part of the plan. Evil will reach its peak, and wickedness, will be wiped from this earth

[@jacobus57]

What "plan?" You do realize that if there is such a plan, the "god" that is its architect is a monster.

[@PariahPsypomp6775]

Nietzsche called this anti life death cult view ascetic nihilism. The weak cope and wish for destruction to evade the hard times that would leave only the greatest men standing. Christian doomsday being a wish tells you the profound depths of the faith's psychopathy.

[@philtate1029]

​@@jacobus57you must discern the difference between God as ultimate cause and God as creator enabling free will in creation it's just lazy thinking to blame God for anything that happens you don't like if He isn't doing it

[@joe5959]

​@@jacobus57Youre theologically bankrupt. You are presupposing God is bad, when in reality, God is all that is good. We are the secondary cause, and allows for ultimate free will. You wont learn this from the bible, youll learn this from the Catholic Church. This is how we come to understand God

[@untaintedwheelchair]

​@@joe5959you do realise being theologically bankrupt is a complement, right? I.e. you can distinguish fantasy and fairy tales from reality. Read some history books instead of a bible that condones incest, rape and battery.

[@Kalolelo]

Wow. Crazy.

[@dc_latername9064]

Insane

[@Appleblade]

Why not just reject 'God' as the source of morality the way Plato did in the Euthyphro? Then you don't need Nietzsche and his melodrama.

[@MelvinArthurMurray]

Nietzsche is nonetheless brilliant, however nihilistic philosophy is ultimately self defeating ideologically.

[@lysch46]

🙄Death of GOD? What wrong saying the DEATH of JESUS. You never acknowledge JESUS. JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS. Do you believe in JESUS the son of GOD?

[@bobxbaker]

Last man was about religion and übermensch was the consequence of living without religion, that it would be hard and would pose a challenge but a challenge people were up to the task to tackle. to cling onto religion was to nietzsche was to cling onto weakness instead of going forward which is the necessary step to becoming übermensch. people often misrepresent nietzsche as this doom and gloom philosopher when he is the exact opposite of it.

[@Hehasmadeglad1975]

@JordanBPeterson, I respectfully suggest to search who God is verses Jesus. Jesus isn't God. His only begotten Son. He fulfilled the scriptures as God's son. Botn of a virgin. But he isn't God. God the Father is in Jesus. And Counseled with him

[@skylergoldstein715]

I'm loving JJP EXODUS study. Reads through the whole book. Amazing listen if you're interested

[@JanDavidOehl]

Couldn’t the “death of god“, stating man “killed“ him (when I’m not totally mistaken the quote stems from So Spoke Zarathustra), also be seen as a chance for liberation from a society based on religious morals and ethics, a step towards a society based on “menmade“ values, finding purpose in life here and now, without expecting to be rewarded on the other side, for having lived a life agreeable to (a) god?

[@miikaalatalo2063]

Except what Niestzche ment by the "death" of God was more like forssking of God. When ppl lack faith, that is what happens. God remains alive 😊

[@toddhalfnight2280]

Why would the right-wing Totalitarianism not be a viable, eligible outcome in your interpretive estimation? … especially as that seems to have historically occurred. You apparently believe (like Nietzsche) that sort isn’t as concerning.

[@alexchudilovski860]

Only one question! Why is it that there is only a devil as a God? Because, otherwise how come Neitzsche could predict the death of God, which would be, what was once regarded as all good became all bad and therefore it is no longer alive, is dead. PS values are only regarded as values when they lost PPS "dead men tell no tails". Raise the hand who have heard tails of the dead, and moreover who recognized his or her past in that tail? And, who instead of disregarding death decided to ride that horse, again! And the final point would be a recognition that all the tails there are are dead. And, how do you ride consciously a dead horse ??? Especially that would be difficult if the horse was never ridden under the presumption of being alive. That's by the way solved by communists through a tyrannical approach, total order. But what if, instead, to try to disregard death as being part of life! To regard the 'ride of the horse' as something that is obvious to do, because after all there is a horse and it could be ridden. And the question becomes pure again "how do you ride a horse?" How do you make a 'tail' alive, and regard it as alive, and sell it as alive, without bringing death to the table? Bible, I believe those people have failed, they don't understand themselves!

[@HarpazoReady2022]

Jesus dying on the cross wasn’t a catastrophe. It was an achievement. He knew the assignment: taking the wrath of God in our place to pave the way to salvation by Grace to those who choose Him. God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth- 1 Timothy 2:4🎚️

[@joeyblogsy]

This guy has really gotta stop tapping on about god. I respect him in nearly everything else but he lets himself down big time with this. He’s intelligent enough to know the fallaciousness behind religion yet drills on about it for the pure fact that his audience are mainly right wing many of whom in America are catholic. It’s hypocritical. Shame

[@Whiteowls4532]

And governments plus corporate monopoly is not totalitarian? Oppression is occurring in the US through sluggish wage and labor protection (lack of legislation) and favoritism for corporate merging and taxation. Control is also when all things economic trend to wealth accumulation in few hands.

[@dikeythedocta471]

Funny. But being atheist whole my life did not make me lose all the values required to lead a decent life. You don't need preach of god to understand what's good and bad. You just have to think. Unfortunate as it is, most of population does not have what it takes to differentiate right from wrong without assistance from a side. They must be controlled, threatened and manipulated. Humanity in its majority cannot handle the life without religion.

[@AssetH8ut2]

Totalitarian Communism sure, but democratic but the price of entry into the totalitarian community gated by truth, rational decision making, and informed consent. Nihilism seems to be a necessary step in allowing people to try and understand what has value. God is not dead, just playing possum until the individual discovers their part in god. sorry to be so, ethereal, I guess, in my wording.

[@kelvinloeb812]

The king of word salads has never had a thought he didn't think was true and that everyone else needs to believe it.

[@mikebar42]

I never read his stuff but anyone who thinks like a modern philosopher would have thought about this at some point, If you're old enough to have done so before the internet gave us answers to every question nobody asked... And then they accompany it with a bullshit answer so nobody really knows what the correct answer is....

[@naajee90]

"The death of God" such a thing is exactly why people have turned away from Christianity. How can God die when death isn' t a Godly attribute?

[@HaHa.Na.ssentu]

God is not Dead - God is eternal and our living God. Jesus is the SON of GOD..Jesus was murdered.. May God Bless you Sir.

[@brentmillsop6355]

Well …. Good News! Gods Not Dead. The Bad… Man believing that we can be god. Belief is the Enemy of Knowing.

[@kforest2745]

One is a number. But in your heads you made it a single competitive idea 🙄 Naturally, ONE GOD would be challenged.

[@PariahPsypomp6775]

Convenient you disregard his solution, becoming ubermench. That's the way forward

[@philswainson1922]

Just a note When Jesus or Jehovah died the world entered the dark ages, or in other words the world was without the light of Christ. So yes evil ruled on earth till the 1820s when the light of Christ was restored. Then evil could be tethered by those whom possess that Light or Power

[@jamacook4943]

I thought he was always making an antagonistic remark about God. Not about how society percieves God.

[@christiandavidleondeboyefa4108]

Man needs God a place higher than we are. As a foot note in the Judaic language you have God with G,g. My grandfather loved him spoke with alot just before he created DNI and did the educational reformation in Denmark. Did you not find God ultimately via your formal education

[@davidhawley1132]

"No, no, not believing in God is just that, nothing more. And I am a good person.". -- your garden variety atheist.

[@DonaldBrown-w9y]

All those things existed since religion began. We know today the universe began with the Big Bang and life came into existence through evolution.

[@AlBeZed]

there is one undisputed fact about god. it is immaterial, i. e. spiritual. therefore we are free to believe. It is in every creature, in every living cell. It is in me, so I know there is god.

[@shanesawyer5103]

Except the death of god didn’t really happen. The vast majority of people were religious at that time, were they not?

[@Lesbisk1000]

How does prof. Peterson define God? I’m pretty sure it’s not the typical entity from the bible…

[@MarcioSouza1]

I know a lot of people who are neither religious nor nihilistic. Where is all this nihilism (due to lack of religiosity) he speaks of?

[@alleyesallsides]

Given Nietzsche was 6 years old in 1850, that really is impressive.

[@RogerEAbernathy]

Absolutely ridiculous! Only children need magic to explain the world.

[@nathanchadwick8291]

When did Dr. Peterson go full santa? I swear just a few podcasts ago he still had some color in his hair!

[@wendypoisson9601]

What do you mean after the DEATH OF GOD , GOD didn't die , Jesus did and then was Risen

[@TreasureSwanson]

GOD is not dead! He is currently bringing the book of Revelation to pass!

[@timtemple5218]

Christians must understand deliverance, healing and knowledge are a replacement for atheism. I use all three.