MTG Top 10: Random Effects | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 313

[@daviddavidson1090]

You should do a "Top 10 Secret Decks" including: -draft decks that almost no one drafted, like Sam Black's Stream of Thought control in Modern Horizons, or Deathsie's Clear the Mind decks from WAR -decks discovered late into a format, i.e. tier 1 decks that existed but no one thought to create for months or years. I can't remember the examples I've seen but the community can probably help.

[@TomGalonska]

The 3 phases of watching a Nizzahon Top10 1) I'm so sure card x is Nr.1 2) Card x is Nr.2, so you pause the video and scratch your head what could be Nr.1 3) You give up and watch the rest of the video. Aaaaand, sudden realization followed by a facepalm :D

[@tonythepokemonguy751]

“It had a good 1997”, we all did we all did

[@sammysammyson]

Ugh period. I wasn't born yet. Simpler times 😔

[@smegmalasagna]

@@sammysammyson You beat me to it ;)

[@esands36]

I graduated from high school in 1997

[@vaughnbocchino]

Glory days!

[@DimT670]

Ah yes the year i was born

[@oafkad]

"These days a creature needs to do something upon entering the battlefield to be worth it." *sighs* Yeah...

[@Gking10]

Interactivity? What's that? We only get immediate value here.

[@destructimus]

I still love Hippy though. I dont really follow standard, but I'd like to think he would still be good there.

[@lanychabot-laroche135]

Thief of Sanity is an updated Hypnotic Specter and did see quite some play.

[@pumkinswift8263]

Number one is Hymn to Tourach, calling it now

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

I'm glad I'm not the only person who forgot about Mana Crypt.

[@thatonedudejake]

Rip I forgot about crypt too

[@theunwelcome]

"Swamp, ritual, ritual, hymn, hypnotic... your turn!"

[@marpj6138]

"I... I will cast Fist"

[@MurriciTerceiro]

"mountain, Black Lotus, Channel, firebal, HÁÁ!!"

[@hiimemily]

"Mountain, Bolt. Go." "...Hmm."

[@dankinmcspankin3123]

love that you take the extra time to add more than 10 cards to cover more

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

Does Mana Crypt count, because if so, that one. Edit: Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@destructimus]

Flowstone flood can be nasty... imagine getting a mana dork out turn 1, then stone rain turn 2, then destroy every land for 3 life and a random card from then on. Edit: fixed 'man dork'... even though it was unintentionally funny.

[@matthewhartman1855]

Flashback exiles itself

[@lightbearer313]

@@matthewhartman1855 It has Buyback, not Flashback.

[@AkaAkoVT]

I'm kind of surprised Urza's Bauble doesn't have more points. A free cantrip that also counts as an artifact and also gives a little info seems, like, really strong. Is it because the draw only comes once your opponent's turn arrives?

[@justarandommeme8507]

it’s because you just play mishra’s bauble instead

[@AidanWR]

Forgot coin flip was included in the rules, so I didn't expect number one until I saw what number one was

[@kitsovereign4127]

11:12 Mind Twist got unrestricted in Vintage, but it never got unbanned in Legacy.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

You know, at first I was going to be worried that there would be no cards with Vintage points on them in this list. Of course, I naturally forgot Mana Crypt exists. Personally, this list has sparked my desire to build a random EDH deck. But not one of those annoying ones with Thieves' Auction and Warp World. But something where I have to gamble. Maybe if I get my odds right we'll finally see "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)." Also, here is something made by a random number generator, just to get everyone grooving: 84037240

[@nickbalmes6640]

Mana Crypt slipped my mind too. That random downside just feels a bit too insignificant for such a massive boost in mana.

[@researchinbreeder]

mana crypt probably slips ppls mind bc the random aspect just doesnt matter. its basically a Sol Ring that trades the 1 mana upfront cost for an average of 1.5 dmg/turn. even if you take that damage 4+ times, most decks in Vintage were planning to kill you from 20 anyway so it doesnt really matter.

[@lunarmathemagics7881]

Gambling in EDH? You could always play the partnered battlebond pair Zndrsplt and Okaun, the Eyes of Wisdom and Chaos

[@writerguy911]

I stopped playing Magic the Gathering after Mirroden block but I still cannot stop watching videos like this. Thanks for the content. It is very much appreciated.

[@destructimus]

I took a looong break around the same time... very frustrating time, especially if you were playing extended. I've gotten back into it, mostly drafts but it's a lot of fun. I still hate artifacts, though.

[@alaraplatt8104]

thats when i started playing magic. still love artifacts lol

[@GlowingShutter]

Nice. This reminds me of my worst deck ever I played as a kid: It only contained coin flip cards. Core card was [[Kark's Thumb]]. And then other stuff like [[Stitch in Time]], [[Fiery Gambit]] or [[Mana Clash]]. Roughly 50% of the time it worked :D

[@09Dragonite]

#1 made me lol. I've seen so many people lose the game at the hands of their own card.

[@jonathantillian6528]

Random...random... Hymn? Edit: Oh yeah, ugh. Also, great choice using the Susan Van Camp art for Hymn.

[@olivergarcia3635]

I used to play with friends Burning Inquiry in my Waste Not deck with Wheel of Fortune and Underworld dreams and it's amazing

[@mantissaPuc]

The "opponent discards at random" should not be counted on this top 10. They are actually an upgrade from the "opponent choose and discards a card" and not a disavantage ;)

[@JuanFelipeCalle]

In the long, long ago, when I first started playing Magic, before the 4-of-a-card deck construction rule, my brother ran a deck with too many Dark Rituals to count, Mind Twist, Hypnotic Spectre, and quite often, he'd Mind Twist you for 4 or 5 on Turn 1. No coming back from that.

[@shutinshogun]

If I remember right Hypnotic Specter was in the first or second historic anthology and I only play historic. And I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen it played. All of which was only when it just came out, then never again.

[@zacharyatwood5263]

Was expecting to see Ignite Memories somewhere on this list. Wasn't it a storm wincon back in it's day?

[@llongone2]

Frenetic Efreet was one of my favorite cards. I took a lot of people to school with that card.

[@enemybroadcast]

Hell yeah, Urza’s Bauble! One my earliest MTG cards!

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

You forgot that the Efreet made the spell fizzle if it was targeted, which is important if it had a secondary effect. Also, I could genuinely see the Efreet seeing play in a standard deck if cheap boardwipes were common.

[@ohuckabee]

The idea that Hypnotic Specter wouldn't even be that great in modern Magic is wild.

[@Ineedanaccountnow0]

Standard Magic* :^)

[@nallenthepuh]

Mind Twist is still banned in Legacy

[@xxANBUxx]

Yep

[@destructimus]

I thought so, but should it be? It could be abused I guess, but force of will and thoughtseize are always there...

[@nallenthepuh]

@@destructimus "you can counter it" is an arguement you can make about almost any card, so i think force of will is unrelevant here. But i have a hardtime seing it would do more harm then Hymn. It would probobly be used as a one of in some BUG controll builds though

[@destructimus]

@@nallenthepuh agreed. 2 mana spells offer much less potential than the 3 mana slot. In legacy, if i'm not blitzing out the first 2 turns i'm playing heavy defense, attacking their hand and whatnot. Mind twist would cost 3 to achieve the same result, where I would rather be looking to do something better. Slipping a mind twist by with dark ritual or mana rocks though...

[@nallenthepuh]

@@destructimus but if the games goes long it one hell of a spell to resolve. But in vintage you have more of the fast mana. A copule of moxes involved and its a diffrent story.

[@Ajaydrom]

Wow ..and I thought this was about random effects and not .. randomly discard cards or Flip a coin. when i think of a card with a random effect there is only one card for me : Possibility Storm !!!

[@tylerowens]

So many of the red random discards make me think: oh that'd be fantastic in a madness deck!

[@NizzahonMagic]

Discard that isn't random is usually better for madness haha

[@tylerowens]

@@NizzahonMagic sure, but having an ancestral recall that the only downside is discarding some cards is way better in a madness deck.

[@tylerowens]

Plus, discarding randomly for madness is a vorthos win.

[@Waffletigercat]

I run Gamble in a Hazoret commander deck. Every single time I've cast it, I end up discarding the card I searched for. :(

[@robertwilbrand3441]

Ignite Memories is missing. Pat Chapin and Gab Nassif played it in the SB of their Dragonstorm decks at the 2007 World Championships. That alone would give it 4 points and there may have been other top results.

[@joakimandersson7769]

Do we count sideboards ?

[@robmitchell3039]

@@joakimandersson7769 he typically does, yes.

[@NizzahonMagic]

So, it actually has 5 points, but for some reason mtgtop8.com doesn't have the sideboard of Chapin's deck included, thus I only counted 3 points. So, you're right, it should be on the list.

[@Eastside97]

Staying up until 1 AM eastern gang

[@sammysammyson]

3:41 AM Eastern gang 😎

[@yamael14]

Aaaah it's been a while since I've seen a T1 specter...

[@ericjimenez4360]

I just logged into KZbin at the right time

[@moriashall1947]

Will you be doing a Cmdr Legends draft guide?

[@joranmoore5663]

I wonder what Mitch would think of that Bauble.

[@corey2232]

11 views! Well, I'm glad to make number 12!

[@Snuzfuzz]

968 views! Well, I'm glad to be 969!

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

Goblin Lore isn't card draw, you get 4 and lose 4 (one of which is the Goblin Lore you just played). It's more a cantrip than a draw.

[@DeviousPie2]

I always think of Mana Crypt as a Mox Ancient Tomb.

[@jamesgasik3424]

Of course, Frenetic Efreet really showed why coin flip cards are bad- nothing like having a premier event come down to whether or not someone wins a coin flip.

[@magiccardmaster9921]

I knew gamble would be on here

[@robertgraff5516]

Actually I'm not sure hippie wouldn't see play. I think its materially a bit better than thief of sanity, which saw a bit of play. Also, it's only a single color

[@Poutrel]

I think it would make an excellent video if you could combine your data with the work of a data visualisation channel. Like an "evolution of the best [...] card" kind of vid

[@christianhamm3563]

Pretty shocked ignite memories wasn't on this list

[@marcustruman1015]

Mind Twist isn't too slow for Legacy, it's just too banned to put in your deck.

[@thesamuraiman]

I feel like youtube hasn't been showing me these lately

[@basicpigeonbee]

Nizzahon had a power cut for a week or so i think recently

[@allenoh]

hollow one just one the 2020 vintage championship on MTGO

[@schylerreis5227]

This list isn't like all the other girls, its a quirky girl. Soooo Random!

[@destructimus]

Yeah just like my first girlfriend. She randomly dumped me and moved to Colorado lol.

[@rpriske]

The G in Magus is hard, not soft. [/pedantic Rusty]

[@cutecommie]

English pronounciation is another great example of randomness.

[@vaughnbocchino]

Frenetic Efreet and I peaked at the same time.

[@HienNguyenHMN]

You flip-flopped between a hard G and a soft G when you pronounce "magus"

[@theyurikhunt3144]

Goblin charbleacher is fun

[@tmakalpha1]

Guessing Hymn to Tourach at #2 because it got banned early enough EDIT: I meant restricted haha

[@fei-hungwong9034]

I’m starting this video expecting to see: Whimsy and Faerie Dragon!

[@joshtyree7755]

You should do a top 10 video about your top 10 videos with grading criteria being likes and views lol

[@jacksonlittle5993]

It's interesting hearing references to vintage, looking at viable decks the other night the prices were between $50k-$100k+ for a deck. That leaves me to believe there's maybe what like 10 people in the world who even actually play vintage lol? is it even a format if there's nobody playing it? Seems vintage is more of a reference to the power 9 than anything else.

[@NizzahonMagic]

It is much more affordable on MTGO.

[@jdorffer]

50% of players seem to discard the tutor card

[@JestaKilla]

I feel like this list should have included any card that has you roll dice for a random effect.

[@joakimandersson7769]

It does, but Magic doesn't feature that mechanic to any relevant extent.

[@andrewsparkes8829]

Magic only has you roll dice in silver-bordered Un-sets, which are not tournament-legal, so none would have gotten any points.

[@techoutsider5631]

Update: Adventures in the Forgotten Realms

[@streetpeter3210]

Come on Possibility Storm!

[@camdenharper7244]

If hippie was reprinted today it would do little to nothing in standard and own limited.

[@makskulicki2805]

how about top 10 'your opponent chooses' effects?

[@chrisjackson1215]

Top 10 cards that are almost good.

[@Ol_White_Fatalis]

Well, some of them are actually really good.... XD.

[@chrisjackson1215]

Its a suggestion lol.

[@AndDiracisHisProphet]

A suggestion that is almost good. ;)

[@nickbalmes6640]

A bit later than usual but a very welcome video nonetheless 👌

[@basoon87]

Anyone else ever notice before that, up close, the elemental on Burning Inquiry looks kinda like Trump? Except that he's reading.

[@jays.6843]

Therefore it cannot be Trump

[@davidrice752]

One thing, mind twist is still banned in legacy.

[@davidrice752]

I actually don’t think it would see much play.

[@JV-ko6ov]

I wanna see a 0 mana card that has: Flip a coin, if heads you win the game tails you lose

[@prosfilaes]

If at instant speed, they can cut your loss rate in half. Very powerful, and not in a fun way.

[@ronaldwayne7092]

Is Amulet of Quoz close enough for you?

[@danjames1933]

Had to google to hear how Magus was pronounced.

[@anonymous-d6q]

Laughs in hearthstone. (For those who don't know in hearthstone about 40% of the card do something random.)

[@09Dragonite]

There was a point in MtG history when it likely had a similar ratio. But power creep eventually took hold and "random" effects are a lot more controllable now, thus making the older random effects simply not consistently good enough to see legitimate play.

[@alaraplatt8104]

anyone remember yogg saron

[@aeoles]

I would play Library of Leng if I used most of these lol

[@thatonedudejake]

Hymn as #1? Edit: rip

[@jordancourtney9142]

Wonderful

[@SpitefulAZ]

I'm gonna guess Gamble, Wild research, and other various red cards from Odyssey Block which I don't remember the names of! :O

[@lindsayssbm]

Not using the Quinton Hoover art from Fallen Empires for Hymn :(

[@meatrace]

Maguses? Surely YOU should be aware that the plural of Magus is Magi ;-)

[@cspeeds96]

Woooo

[@VonMartins]

Top demons!!!!!

[@kevinmacdonald9269]

My favourite random card is only available in the MTG computer game Planes of Shandalar... goblin polka band... EVERYBODY POLKA!

[@luna6315]

hymn to tourach is a miserable card, i cant believe that people want it in modern

[@Quiltfish]

Commenting before watching, could there be some astral set goodies here? :D EDIT: "Competitive Magic" WELP

[@jasonpoupard3900]

Four commercial breaks in this video does not respect my time. Not accaptable.

[@MrBanana0]

Are you ok bud? You sound sick.