Alexander the Great's Greek: Civilization V. How is his pronunciation?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

If you want to hear some of my other videos where I sing in Latin & Greek, I have quite a few videos on my other channel ScorpioMartianus: kzbin.info/aero/PLU1WuLg45SiyoKYbbV5HS1pRFPimS_A6T 🎶

[@Philoglossos]

@Gvn Skw Ancient Macedonian was either a dialect of Greek or a closely related 'Hellenic' language. Either way, in Macedon the written language was Greek and the upper classes spoke Attic Greek, which is the language that Alexander spread across his empire. We know almost no details about the Macedonian language/dialect, so it is safe to say that the incongruencies here with what we know about ancient Greek have nothing to do with Alexander having been Macedonian.

[@katiallo3675]

I live in Greece and specifically in Macedonia you know Macedonia is a province in Greece .Don't mistake Northern Macedonia it's a new name for another country formal F.I.R.O.M

[@ismanuevo3832]

sorry Luke i must to tell you i'm sure that this guy is not a spaniard, becouse i'm a spaniard and my pronunciation is not precisly like that, we pronounce the word θεός very diferently, we pronounce the "θ" letter, like the "th" of "with" .further we pronounce the letter "φ" like "f" and the letter "χ" like the spanish "J" wich does not exist in english and sounds almost like the germanic "ch". I mention that becouse in all spanish universities and greek learning books uses this phonetics so i don't think he is a spaniard.

[@Philoglossos]

@Gvn Skw I think you're sort of missing the point - of course Macedon was looked down upon by the rest of Greece, and that included the way in which Macedonians speak Greek, but fundamentally what we find is that 1) There are no references to a distinct Macedonian language 2) Macedonians in Macedon exclusively wrote in Greek 3) Greek had great dialectic diversity, so it would be no surprise for a particularly divergent dialect, on the verge of being mutually unintelligible to other Greek speakers, would be looked down upon It's a bit like asking the question 'do Norwegians and Swedes speak the same language?' It really depends more on how you're defining 'language' than it depends on the actual linguistic reality.

[@Philoglossos]

@Gvn Skw *I am going to push back on this a little...no one says that that Swedish and Norwegian are the same language. ;o)* You're missing the point here - the reason that nobody says Swedish and Norwegian are one language is precisely because of the political situation - your comparisons to French/Italian/Spanish demonstrate, I think, a lack of familiarity with these languages - in terms of lexical distance, Swedish and Norwegian are about 40% closer than Spanish and Portuguese, which are the two most similar of the major romance languages (89% lexical similarity vs ~93% lexical similarity). Furthermore, while Spanish and Portuguese have major pronunciation differences rendering mutual intelligibility somewhat lopsided, there is no such major difference in pronunciation between Swedish and Norwegian If these languages were spoken in one country today, they would almost certainly be considered varieties of one language, especially considering that within each country there exist 'dialects' that are more distinct from ether national language than either of them are to one another. Whether we call Macedonian a language or a dialect of Greek doesn't really matter - the best evidence we have suggest that it was a speech variety extremely similar to other varieties of 'Greek'. In either case, Alexander's relationship to Attic would have been that of a speaker of an extremely similar speech variety learning the language from childhood from his teachers. For all intents and purposes he would have been a native Attic speaker, in the same way that if you take a Swede and have him spend massive amounts of time with a Norwegian tutor with whom he is expected to exclusively speak Norwegian, he will acquire that language (or dialect) natively. A very good example of this today is Cypriots. Cypriots speak a 'dialect' that is arguably more distant from Demotic Greek than Norwegian and Swedish (that is, Greeks have a very hard time understanding Cypriot), but they use Demotic in school and in writing, and all Greeks would consider them to be native speakers of 'Greek'. *As I have posted in my other comments a few examples...yes...we do have references of Greeks themselves saying the Makedonian was a different language from Greek.* My understanding is that this is not correct. Can you name such a source/quote one for me? The only Classical sources on the manner I can find seem to consider Macedonians to be Greek speakers: "Among the references that have been discussed as possibly bearing some witness to the linguistic situation in Macedonia, there is a sentence from a fragmentary dialogue, apparently between an Athenian and a Macedonian, in an extant fragment of the 5th century BC comedy 'Macedonians' by the Athenian poet Strattis (fr. 28), where a stranger is portrayed as speaking in a rural Greek dialect. His language contains expressions such as ὕμμες ὡττικοί for ὑμεὶς ἀττικοί "you Athenians", ὕμμες being also attested in Homer, Sappho (Lesbian) and Theocritus (Doric), while ὡττικοί appears only in "funny country bumpkin" contexts of Attic comedy.[67] Another text that has been quoted as evidence is a passage from Livy (lived 59 BC-14 AD) in his Ab urbe condita (31.29). Describing political negotiations between Macedonians and Aetolians in the late 3rd century BC, Livy has a Macedonian ambassador argue that Aetolians, Acarnanians and Macedonians were "men of the same language".[68] This has been interpreted as referring to a shared North-West Greek speech (as opposed to Attic Koiné).[69] In another passage, Livy states that an announcement was translated from Latin to Greek for Macedonians to understand.[70] Quintus Curtius Rufus, Philotas's trial[71] and the statement that the Greek-speaking Branchidae had common language with the Macedonians.[72]" If you provide me some contrary sources I would be happy to consider them! :-)

[@PuckishAngeI]

That singing was unexpected and beautiful.

[@FloydRinehart]

Also a fan of Henry VIII’s new intro music

[@eliasstenman3710]

@@FloydRinehart Truly fitting

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! I did a video of it in three different pronunciations on my other channel ScorpioMartianus

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

@@FloydRinehart I also think Paul Simon should be the official minstrel of King Henry's court

[@tamara3984]

Still on the ads, but looking forward to it

[@liamma273]

Videogame: containes any trace of greek and latin. Luke: IS THE PRONUNCIATION GOOD???

[@williamjordan5554]

Makes no sense

[@xano2921]

@@williamjordan5554 what?

[@williamjordan5554]

@@xano2921 The first sentence.

[@cataclysm7256]

@@williamjordan5554 other than a typo, i see nothing wrong with it

[@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Honestly, I am just impressed they tried to do the reconstructed Greek pronunciation. Just the fact that they were willing to go through the effort to do that is extremely impressive, even if it isn't perfect

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Agreed!

[@christoforospaphitis4090]

unfortunately it's a very long way from perfect. As a Greek Cypriot I can tell easily this is not how it was meant to sound. Still glad to see the ancient Greek language kept alive through video games though

[@stevebbkny2394]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Luca I’m surprised you’re not hired on a regular basis for movie and other productions requiring your services.

[@christoforospaphitis4090]

@@mariamichailidou5375 δυστυχώς δεν μπορώ να πω ότι γνωρίζω αρχαία αν και στην κυπριακή διάλεκτο ακόμη χρησιμοποιούμε αρκετές λέξεις, εκφράσεις και ιδιώματα στην αρχαία Ελληνική

[@christoforospaphitis4090]

@@mariamichailidou5375 τουλάχιστον την εποχή που ειμουν σχολείο κάναμε αρχαία Ελληνικά για 2 ή 3 χρόνια μια η 2 περιόδους την βδομάδα. Δεν ειμουν πότε καλός στα φιλολογικά μαθήματα τότε καθώς τα έβρισκα ανιαρά. Εν τούτοις η κυπριακή έχει κάποια έφεση προς τα αρχαία σε ορισμένες περιπτώσεις

[@ChessedGamon]

I originally only subbed to see you talk about Civ 6 Trajan’s Roman, but now I can’t stop binging this channel despite having never studied either Latin or Greek

[@eliasstenman3710]

Memtoo

[@sebastiangudino9377]

I guess you now have to learn Latin, sorry, it's the rule, get that "Familia Romana" ready

[@omegacardboard5834]

Well it's now inevitable that you will buy LLPSI and start learning Latin. Then Ancient Greek. And before you know it you will be reading Latin literature and reciting Latin Poetry

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

How flattering! Thanks

[@xyber3583]

Same lol

[@Wolf6119]

Bear in mind that the representations of each civilization in the game, including everything from their visual and sound design to their unique units and buildings, are meant to be more of an amalgamation of their overall culture and history, not just one specific period. Hence the use of music which is several centuries removed from Alexander the Great. Similarly, the US has George Washington as a leader while their unique unit is a WW2 bomber, and France is led by Napoleon, despite employing Ancien Regime Musketeers and Cancan music from 1858.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Heh sure, I just wanted to use the Paul Simon song because it's been stuck in my head all week.

[@Lara__]

Thank you for singing the "Σείκιλου στήλη" so beautifully.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind! It's one of my favorites.

[@Brandon55638]

​@@polyMATHY_Luke Mine too.

[@fotinipilichou1687]

Έχεις τον θαυμασμό μου και τον σεβασμό μου και για το έργο σου και για εσένα προσωπικά. Ο Θεός μαζί σου

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ

[@ramokk577]

I'm Italian, I studied Greek in high school and your explanations are spot on. You really know what you're talking about, great video!

[@leopardscanfly]

You would be a great voice actor. Your voice is so soothing

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! I have an audiobooks store: LukeRanieri.com I do some character acting in it, like for Amphitryo.

[@alban.dano.93]

Just to clarify, the voice actors are actually Canadian linguists.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Sometimes. I looked him up and he seems Spanish.

[@jrj6285]

@@alban.dano.93 that's possible

[@Veronica-zz7bp]

Iirc, the voice actor is listed as Greek in the Wiki of the game.

[@oNikolaos]

@@Veronica-zz7bp Greeks that live outside Greece and Cyprus sound funny when trying to use Standard Modern Greek Νεοελληνική Κοινή.

[@tadesubaru1383]

@@TheTsannel nah dude that's such an Italian sounding name. I can assure you nothing about that name is Spanish

[@nikolaj4925]

The 18 dislikes must’ve been from skopianoi! 🤣

[@Giannis_Sarafis]

Great video, thanks for sharing. Ευχαριστούμε. As far as I remember from the High School courses in Ancient Greek, in the northern Greek dialects, especially the Macedonian one, phi (φ) was pronounced as vi (β). It was Vilippos instead of Philippos, Verenike instead of Ferenike. This phenomenon has survived in some toponyms in Northern Greece. The name of the canyon in my area, Halkidiki, is viraggas. The ancient name is faranx (φάραγξ), and in genitive case was "tou faraggos".

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes! Interesting varieties. Here we assume Aristotle was a good teacher of Attic hehe

[@angelo15578]

Ου ενδιαφέρον !

[@ChanahsCreativeEdits]

Brilliant video!! Loooool. We love Alexander, his history, his story, his vision, his ORIGIN 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷❤❤

[@hash-CCFF00]

haghaghaghahahahahahahh

[@bruderschweigen6889]

BuT!?! Hes slavic?

[@diamantis9436]

@@bruderschweigen6889 Yes, also Genghis Khan was Native American and Stephen Hawking was Tanzanian

[@adamspice9076]

he is macedonian bro

[@nickd6388]

@@adamspice9076 yes Greek ...

[@creeproot]

Roman citizen DESTROYS greek impostor with FACTS and LOGIC!! Jokes aside as always great video, I never know about the Epitaph of Seikilos and I'm absolutely amazed by it's musicality, for some reason I always thought of ancient music as being monotone and flat sounding

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Indeed! Ancient Greco-Roman music seems to be very much like more recent melodic patterns in Europe.

[@KostisP83]

Me as a Greek I don't feel destructed. Why to feel? His approach to pronunciation is GREAT. As a native Greek speaker too I can tell for sure that Lucian pronunciation is by far the best try I have ever listen to. It is also really not that far by modern greek one. Sounds like a Noble Greek form of language. Thanks to Luke about his work over our language. I wish I was able to support his work somehow.

[@poppycalliope6793]

@@aokiaoki4238 love Byzantine chants

[@StergiosMekras]

That was painful, but at least he was marked as Greek...

[@hash-CCFF00]

yeah they didn't even get that right🥺

[@taxiarchiskalyvas8198]

@@hash-CCFF00 As you can see there is no worrh trying to change history by answering to the whole comments section... Just accept your propaganda as your own and get the duck out of history videos

[@decimusausoniusmagnus5719]

Alexander was an Albanian

[@StergiosMekras]

@@decimusausoniusmagnus5719 If by that you mean that his was mother had ancestors among the Illyrians, you could potentially be right, but that's a far cry from calling him Albanian.

[@taxiarchiskalyvas8198]

@@StergiosMekras why not Bulgarian?

[@echetlusa.7318]

Your voice is so calm and stable it calms my soul , great video !

[@kitcutting]

Ancient Greeks were musical masters. The origin of Western-style chromatic music theory supposedly comes from them. It’s fitting that the Epitaph of Seikilos still survives to this day.

[@hash-CCFF00]

Yet Macedonians weren't Greek. imagine that😱😳😱😳

[@nikosmihalo4706]

@@hash-CCFF00 hm yes like thessalians, spartans is not Greek is slavs like makedonians... makedonians they came in balkan 6 century ac alexander he lived in arrive of slavs and is slav like you say and talk slavic language with today name makedonja he moved in persia in 8 or 10 century a.c is is immortal like hailander and fight with persian and mongols of jenkins khan that is the truth

[@skenderbegshala3247]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos "ALBANIANS came to the region from Albania-kaukasus 1200 A.D" Bullshit. Albanians lived for thousands of years in the Balkans. Your Caucasus theory was busted a long time ago. Stop this nonsense

[@slizzysluzzer]

@Konstantin Trehagyrevopoulos If you have to schizospam, you already failed.

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

MACEDONIANS 25 CENTURIES speak Macedonian language ! ! ! ! !

[@georgios_5342]

Χάριν σοι καί πάλιν ἔχομεν, ὦ φίλτατε Λούκιε!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Χάριν καὶ σοί, ὦ φίλε!

[@SFGJP]

Salvē! Happy to see another of these!

[@mynameismarvin]

Dude! Your videos make me wanna start learning Latin and Greek lol. Maybe Latin first before Greek. I kinda got used to reading Latin already without the vowel length, until I started watching your channel, so I had to re-learn all the Latin words I know in a way lol.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! This will help LLPSI link kzbin.info/aero/PLU1WuLg45SiyrXahjvFahDuA060P487pV

[@jargyropoulou4788]

Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο. Συνέχισε έτσι!🤗🇬🇷

[@matthewheald8964]

You have a great voice. That song is gonna be one of my favorites now.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks!

[@BigChief_1337]

LOL The way you lead into that king Henry joke was really amusing 👏🏻👏🏻

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

🤴🏼

[@Constantine_IA]

0:45 Miklos Rozsa and Basil Poledouris used similar music for their scores for Ben Hur and Conan the Barbarian

[@markusoliverasagtg9704]

It was truly an amazing video, kudos (heh, Greek) to you but i would like to make one correction. The civ themes in civ 5 and civ 6 are not intended to represent the ruler, they are intended to represent the civilization. For example Civ 5 Spain's theme is Ay Carmela, a spanish civil war song, despite being represented by Isabella I, a medieval queen. Here (ancient, as opposed to Modern or Byzantine) Greece is represented by the earliest song remaining from an era, and in fact due to its iconicness, it is the only piece of music to be used as a basis for a main civ theme in civ 5 and civ 6 (where Gorgo and Pericles are Greek leaders). While civ themes may have a nod to the leaders (Shaka Zulu and Zulu medieval theme and Queen Tamar and the Georgian themes in Civ 6 come to mind) they do not have to be related to them or even be from the same time period as them they just have to be related to that civilization as a whole

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Definitely, and I don't fault the game makers for various non-historical things since their game isn't a history lesson. I just use these scenes as opportunities to teach.

[@williamvanessen1604]

I found this channel after your podcast you just did with Jackson Crawford and I’ve since become a huge fan, love the videos, keep up the excellent work!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind of you! Thanks and welcome

[@abelpalmer552]

Come on Luke why you gotta make me want to learn ancient Greek now

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Search for Ancient Greek in Action on KZbin

[@Schnitzel_23]

@@polyMATHY_Luke heyo Luke, any tips on how to start learning ancient Greek?

[@saiien2]

I wish to have a show one day like "Rome" (HBO) with full Latin. Or series about Alexander in Greek (ancient greek if possible). I hope that one day something like this will be real.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Search YT for "Interview with the Legionary"

[@saiien2]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Already saw it. Very good :D

[@TheKennethfilm]

That would be awesome but certainly would put more hardwork for the actors. They need to show emotions for an incomprehensible language scripts they need to completely memorize. It might work with the aid of an translation and guides where to put the necessary emotions and stuffs.

[@marakigr9822]

@@TheKennethfilm or they can...hire Greeks? For the greek one I mean.. Besides in a show that has greek features and language,people from Greece would also look the part too,apart from being able to speak the language! Ps: I know most Greeks don't speak ancient Greek but it's not hard for us to learn if it's a script or something 😅

[@TheKennethfilm]

@@marakigr9822 My perspective was from a native English speaker. That would definitely work same goes for Italian with Latin. I doubt being a English speaker would do any good with old English without training.

[@nikostombris5505]

Amazing as always !!!

[@anestisf132]

this is one of the most random channels that I grew to like so much

[@Michail_Chatziasemidis]

Yeah, he did it! He reviewed the Greek. I really, truly love it! 🎉🥳 By the way, you've got a superb, low register voice! That singing was perfect!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind, Μιχαηλ! Ευχαριστω

[@craighughes536]

Τέλεια.. I'm using all the subtitles to learn this great language

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for watching, Craig!

[@Xardas131]

You sang that song really beautiful *_* My Adoration!

[@cv97035]

Το καλύτερο κανάλι στο KZbin! Ευχαριστούμε!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

[@nathanbinns6345]

You know there’s Ancient Greek in assassins creed origins too! Head to Alexandria and listen to scholars argue in the library.

[@jeton9153]

Εμένα μαρεσει που στο παιχνίδι λένε το μαλακα συνεχώς 😂

[@geokon3]

In Assasin's Creed they use Greek voice actors so the pronunciation is more accurate

[@angelo15578]

@@jeton9153 that's amazing I gotta play it now

[@tinuvielx]

@@jeton9153 ναι!!😂😂

[@tinuvielx]

@@geokon3 they're greek?

[@Hikaeme-od3zq]

2:20 That's why the Calabrese people pronounce those letter that way!!! So interesting :D thanks Luke

[@richardfirsten2364]

Luke, you blow me away with the depth of your linguistic knowledge and the ease and clarity of your explanations. Thank you! ευχαριστώ

[@tamara3984]

He is amazing

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind of you, Richard! Εὐχαριστῶ σοι!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

You are too, Tamara!

[@mezassassin9415]

Μπράβο Λούκιε , όσα λες είναι σωστά. Η αρχαία ελληνική γλώσσα είναι αρκετά δύσκολη που ούτε εμείς οι Έλληνες την κατανοούμε πλήρως , κάνεις εξαιρετική δουλειά στο να εξηγείς στον κόσμο πως μιλούσαν οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες .

[@catholicdad]

Paul Simon, lol, hilarious. The deeper cut would be Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes.

[@magitor7401]

Even though i despised learning ancient greek back in my highschool years,since i had an incline towards stem education, i've grown to love your channel! I've been watching your videos for the past 7 months and haven't skipped a minute of content so far. You sir deserve a bigger community.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

That’s very kind! Thanks so much for being a fan. I’m also STEM educated, and I’ll be doing science topics in 2022.

[@HarosOfStyx]

If you learned original first, simplified Greek would be a piece of cake.

[@ravelordnito9504]

Pitch accent are wonderful but tricky things indeed. As a native Swedish speaker, I find that most other native speakers know instinctively when a word has the wrong accent, but they can seldom put their finger on why.

[@ΦωτηςΓεωργαρας]

You are doing a great job! Greetings from Greece!!

[@gainmelk]

God bless you, Luke! You’ve just revived an epitaph that will now see the light of day in many necropolises around the orbis!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I do like that song a lot.

[@aspalathossplit3001]

Dear Luke Despite a couple of slight minor pronunciation mistakes Greeks we respect you to the maximum for your huge contribution to our heritage and language Χαίρε Ω Πολυμαθή

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ. I don’t make any pronunciation mistakes with the reconstructed ancient pronunciation I use. If you’re talking about the times I speak Modern Greek, then I am grateful for your patience as I am still learning your beautiful language.

[@evan-moore22]

Love these videos! I'm hoping to see one on the Greek in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey. I've been playing it a lot recently, and some of the pronunciation for place/people names has been...annoying. But I'm not as good with my 5th century BC Greek, so I'd love to hear your thoughts.

[@baumstamp5989]

luke!!! i learn so much from your videos.

[@gregorymccoy6797]

And a song as a bonus! Fascinating to hear a composition from that long ago.

[@shekharaakula6233]

Such a fun video, I would love to watch more about the pitch accent of ancient Greek, it's a pity so many languages lose their pitch accents and gain stress accents, it happened with Sanskrit too

[@melinaouzouni6151]

Thank you for one more amazing video!!

[@Nikolaou.20]

I was wondering if you could make a video about the lost greek letters like digamma and koppa ?

[@liongold3449]

Very good video. The right think is to use greek actors for the presentation of greek characters, especially when it comes to our ancestors. The voice actor for example It's like hearing a Russian speaking like an American. Good day from Greece.

[@hvar-pharosisland2268]

Αλέξανδρος ειμί ..... Αλέξανδρος ειμί ... Εκγονός (εγγονός) των θεών .... When Alexander was somehow rapping 😅 Πολυμαθή you rock👌

[@Kolious_Thrace]

Very good👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I’m hear to see how you will answer to Skopjans that will get mad when they will see that a man says that Alexander was speaking Greek!

[@fallennarcotic6981]

Ηδη προσπαθουσαν στα σχολια να λενε οτι η μακεδονια δεν ηταν ελληνικη. Ομως του εγραψα και τα εσβησε μαλλον. Ο Λουκιανος σεβεται τους ελληνες και την ηστορια τους. Να ζησει

[@Kolious_Thrace]

@@fallennarcotic6981 να ‘ναι καλά το παιδί!

[@c.k.2405]

I live in the US... Most Americans I talk to know Alexander the Great was Greek as where the Macedonians. In my experience its only the most uneducated who believe the Skopje/Vardaska propaganda. These people Skopje are Bulgarians and Albanians. They have no connection to Alexander or the ancient Greek people and the WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT.

[@Kolious_Thrace]

@@c.k.2405 thank God! I hope that there are no people in the world that can be convinced by Skopjans 🙏🏻💪🏻

[@fallennarcotic6981]

@@c.k.2405 the ancient greek salad? :D

[@stixoimatizontas]

Great one mate! Keep it up! I'd also love to watch a video when you explain why "Μολών λαβέ" (what Leonidas supposedly said to Persians, according to Plutarch) doesn't simply mean "come and get them".

[@landofw56]

άριστον έργον, φίλε.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Χάριν σοι ἔχω

[@landofw56]

@@polyMATHY_Luke εἶ ἄριστος παιδαγωγός.

[@tadesubaru1383]

I always find these videos so interesting, thank you for making them!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Glad you like them!

[@Angelfeather100]

… and you are singing too?! That’s the final straw, I’m divorcing.

[@apopet]

Hey Luke! Regarding 5:50, and as far as I can understand, the verb κάμνω in the transitive sense just means 'I work'. It is in the intransitive sense that it may mean 'I am weary', which means that the accusative case is not appropriate. I am no expert in ancient Greek, so I am not sure if the genitive case is appropriate either; maybe a preposition should be used before the noun? What do you think?

[@elnoruego6854]

Fantastic

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! I love your avatar. I'm a big TNG fan.

[@GeorgiosMichalopoulos]

Ah yes, that was some nice reconstruction mmmmmm. Thanks for uploading Luke, great stuff as always!

[@mareksagrak9527]

As for my knowledge, in daily speech ancient Macedonians were often pronouncing voiced and unaspirated β, γ, δ instead of usual Greek φ, χ , θ as well as they maintened in many cases the long Doric 'α' where the Ionians had 'η' (they spoke Βερενίκα instead of Φερενίκη and even Βίλιππος instead of Φίλιππος), so if the creators of the game had wanted it to sound more locally, typically Macedonian, they could have also made it that way :) Χαιρετισμοί από την Ελληνική Μακεδονία και απ' την Πολωνία

[@ZisisV]

Perfect video! Bravo 🇬🇷

[@lydiaschicklin5978]

Super intéressant ! Mille mercis ! Bisous from Alsace 😁😘🤗

[@agentfundacji1]

Very good work Luke!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks!

[@tomasmercado7577]

It would be really cool to analize the For Honor knight's latin speaking, I think they use a mixture of eclesiastical and classical latin

[@dimitrispvoice133]

Hi, just a note for 2:24, ''Iota'' (Ιώτα = ''Ι'')is not spelled like ''i'' = aee, but rather like ''e'' = ee. So when you spell the letters ''Φ'' and ''Χ'', the right spelling should be ''Fee'' and ''Hee'' and not ''Faee'' and ''Haee'' (the greek ''X'' is the equivalent of the english ''H'')

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

No. I used standard traditional English pronunciations.

[@dimitrispvoice133]

@@polyMATHY_Luke haha, ye I could tell, no worries

[@Chorophilax]

POV: You are scanning the comments for people saying Alexander wasn't Greek

[@TrueMakedonia]

There are people who think he wasn't Greek? Don't listen to people who don't know history

[@tatjanavelkova5814]

ALEXANDER THE GREAT and FILIP --- MACEDONIANS. before 25 centuries FILIP KING ON MAKEDONIJA, ALEXANDER TSAR ON MAKEDONIJA ! ! !

[@coolchannel44]

Thanks for video bro

[@tiszert14]

So only Basil II from Civ VI left. Can't wait for his video!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Actually a lot more, like Pericles, and Alexander from VI.

[@tiszert14]

@@polyMATHY_Luke oh, you're right. I totally forgot there are other greek speakers in the game

[@1SilverDollar]

Alexander the Great having a heartwarming song as his theme gives me the same feeling of Bismarck having Ode to Joy in the same game.

[@qwinegp2000]

Your accent is very good for a non Greek.Anyway modern Greek are just simplified ancient Greek and not another language as Italian and Latin..I salute you fro Greece

[@MiStiQueT]

Most interesting channel ever! Good job as always 😊

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Too kind! Thanks so much.

[@bobofthestorm]

Alexander would have appreciated the lyric's acknowledgement of the ephemerality of life and be impressed the author's attempt to immortalize his lover in music and in stone. I would say that the choice of music is close enough for the Makedon.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Definitely! I also think Henry VIII would love Paul Simon, as we all do.

[@TOBAPNW_]

@@polyMATHY_Luke no doubt. He was even an esteemed composer of music himself

[@matiasbarth5121]

Since part of my interest in languages started because of games (Civ 5 included), I'm loving this series! :D

[@planetcx5316]

I love your videos!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks!

[@EmptyBuddha92]

Hi Luke, great video as always. It really got me thinking TL;DR: Alexos and A-lexein are unrelated and that was a fun exercise (incoming text block) Alexandros: Defender (Alexo) of Man (Andros). I thought instantly of Lexa as in from Lexicon, to do with writing and language; the idea that A-lexo could imply un-writable or something. With a little bit more digging, I found that Alexo is derived from Greek Alexein (to defend/ward off). The word I was looking for as un-writable is actually A-lexis. Alexein has no relation. That's it, my interest in Alexander ended there. But, what I did find, while doing this digging, are the Sanskrit cognates for Alexein (आरक्षण (ārakṣaṇa)) and A-lexis (अलक्षित a-laxit/a-lakshit). While अलक्षित/alakshit means unseen/unseeable, the seeing refers not to physical seeing, but the idea of conceptual representation that words/language/signs (लक्षण/lakshan). Note, that Alexein/आरक्षण (ārakṣaṇa), the A/आ is not privative (it does not negate). आरक्षण (ārakṣaṇa) does not imply unprotectable, but the act of protecting itself. In the second case, the A/अ is privative and negates what follows. English has no symbols for different vowels and their specific grammatical roles. Alakshit can also mean un-attainable (lakshya: goal or object (of meditation or concentration). Alakshit is that which is not found through concentration because it is not an object, for it cannot be given a sign or a symbol.

[@PHIL_PD]

thanks! Very intersting, By the way Cypriot Greek has the 'sh' and 'tsch' sounds

[@andreastheo2019]

Yes “sh” isn’t Greek sound but or “ch” like in Crete I’m from Cyprus too

[@angelo15578]

I love that accent so much! Πολύ μ'αρέσει η προφορά της Κύπρος

[@poppycalliope6793]

Oh I understood a few words Alexander said. I got the gist of it!!! I am so chuffed about this!! Beautiful language.

[@Nikolaou.20]

I'm Greek and I hate that you were not my teacher during high school or maybe I hate that our teachers suck! I love your chanel and your videos!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ευχαριστώ!

[@c.k.2405]

As someone who grew up with a father born in Greece and have listened to THOUSANDS of Greek speakers talk ...I got to say..your accent is PRETTY DAMN GOOD. How did you learn to speak Greek ????

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very kind! I’ve just listened to a bunch of audio but I’m not very good at all

[@c.k.2405]

@@polyMATHY_Luke You're good !!!

[@temosofthecommunistrepubli2637]

Just so you know he was greek . There is a region in Greece called Macedonia witch is older than the country "North Macedonia".

[@dansie8320]

Sir i would like to agree with u but the haplogroups n DNA shows we r older than the Greeks that today occupy their land.If you dont believe i can provide u with tons of evidences.The Greek invaded and hellenized our culture (Vincan culture) even their alphabet is based on Vincan 5000-7000BC. Thats way prior Hellenic tribes arrival in the area.

[@temosofthecommunistrepubli2637]

@@dansie8320 sure budy

[@temosofthecommunistrepubli2637]

@@dansie8320 you are slavs . The slavs settled in the Balkans in the 6th century AD . The greeks settled in the Balkans and in the Aegean sea in a about 2500BC

[@dansie8320]

@@temosofthecommunistrepubli2637 we r not slavs only sir.Pls look at our haplo groups.Vincans r older than Greeks and r native.Our langauge still has old words that Greeks modified it and use it today.Pls compare Vincan Alphabet with Greek and resemblance is present.The Slav agenda is a fraud.Anyhow i will provie you some links so if you have spare time you can go thru.The subs are in English.

[@dansie8320]

This is true the Romans expanded the area of Macedonia including todays North Macedonia and east Bulgaria.Only south west part of todays North Macedonia belonged to the Kingdom of Macedon.Current land of North Macedonia was known as Paeonia back then.

[@anastasiosmitropoulos1989]

Impressive video! Subscribed!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks!

[@citizencalmar]

From the way the voice actor delivers the line, I always figured the "mentoi" was set apart from the rest of it, as in, "Mentoi?" I thought maybe it meant "Seriously?", though I admit to my English-speaking brain it sounded like he was saying, "Are you mental?" 🤣

[@caesar2514]

There could be an etymological connection; mens in Latin means "mind," so there could be a word in PIE that both mentoi and mens originated from.

[@anniath4245]

@@caesar2514 it is two words μεν + τοι and sometimes it means something like "but" or "for sure" .

[@MiddleEast-o4f]

Thank you ser... great video !

[@stuffandnonsense8528]

Good lord! This stuff is amazing!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! Much more on this channel like this.

[@stuffandnonsense8528]

@@polyMATHY_Luke yes, thank you, I've been exploring it bit by bit. At first I had thought it was a solely Latin orientated project, and whilst that delighted me, I am chiefly a Hellenist (for some people Latin still seems like a barbaric language... I jest). But the Greek is beautiful and such a relief from the stilted, English and American pronunciations which abound. It's not as if I am an expert (most of my Greek has deteriorated to nothing through lack of use), but I love to hear it, and hear it being talked about... And Latin too I suppose. Also, the general love of and proficiency in languages is always a joy to behold.

[@adroaldoribeiro4529]

This dude is so captivating. I can't stop watching

[@KevinGomez-kg5jl]

Do you think you can review the Latin spoken in the movie The Passion of The Christ?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I'm definitely planning on it.

[@KevinGomez-kg5jl]

Yay 🙌

[@Angelfeather100]

Hi Luke and thank you for your answer. It seems I have a new topic to muse over during my day, it is the Latin language and the ancient times. And well, it is because of your channel. Well done! I was wondering what caused the Latin language to go out of use, so it is not any more a spoken one today (of course it formed the Romance language family), while the Greek language survived and it is spoken today in an "updated "form, but on the other hand without forming a family like the Latin one? Thank you and keep up the good work

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! Latin is still spoken by tens of thousands of us today

[@ArmyNavyAcademy]

They reuse that same tune for the Civ 6 Greek leaders but with different changes in tempos and arrangements through the later eras, still a very very beautiful song.

[@Alfwin]

I love the Civ 6 OST; hearing the arrangements of the song progress through the eras is so cool!

[@jiakemo7442]

Hi Luke, regarding the verb "Κάμνω" (5:47), I looked for it in a dictionary and I found a sentence in a Pindarus' ode (Pi. P. 1.90), where it is used with the dative (μὴ κάμνε λίαν δαπάναις). I don't have the same amount of knowledge as you in Ancient Greek, so I really wonder if my interpretation is correct.

[@Brandon55638]

I think λίᾱν is in the accusative, so the use of the verb κάμνε is probably correct. I don't know a lot of ancient Greek either; I'm currently reading Αθήνᾱζε and Cultúra Clásica's Λόγος.

[@baklavaconsumer1080]

I just want to say that most greeks are familiar with the 'sh' sound, since almost every single old dialect, and local accent, has it I also love your videos btw

[@giannifois8948]

Talking about the musicality of Ancient Greek: Συμφορά ήλθεν ες τήν γήν ημών καί σύν εαυτή(ι) τέρατά τε δαίμονας ήνεγκεν ίνα πάντα διαφθείρωσι καί επιβιοί μηδείς. I can’t write spirits and circumflex accents on my phone, neither the ι subscript (I wrote the ι in brackets to specify that it’s subscript), so that’s what I could do. I really love the musicality of this phrase (even though its meaning isn’t happy at all), like all words matches together perfectly

[@thkarape]

The guy sounds just like a Greek person attempting the reconstructed Attic pronounciation so they got that part right.

[@CptAngelKGaming]

I think he's indeed Spanish since he sounds similar to Greek but still makes some obvious mistakes (I'm Greek).

[@oNikolaos]

@@CptAngelKGaming Ενδέχεται να είναι Ελληνοαμερικάνος ή κάτι αντίστοιχο.

[@jeton9153]

@@CptAngelKGaming yes Spanish and Greek have almost same tongue placement when pronouncing words

[@RoyalKnightVIII]

2:07 we kinda got that in the movie A Knight's Tale ;)

[@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS]

Well said. Alexander, the greatest of the Greeks. (ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, Ο ΜΕΓΙΣΤΟΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ). ΑΛΕΞ+ ΑΝΔΡΟΣ=PROTECTOR OF MEN. Greek civilization belongs to all humanity. Especially to all our western brothers.Was a civilization where man was at its center. At the end of the day we all are Greeks. Greetings from eternal Greece.

[@peponvatrahedes7392]

Alex doesn't mean to protect. It means to defend against/ repel. Why do people, even Greeks, keep making the same mistake?

[@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS]

@@peponvatrahedes7392 Literally yes, metaphorically no.

[@lanzinator4734]

The Epitaph is featured in his War Theme as well, so maybe a bit more appropriate? lol

[@liamcavanagh5270]

I loved the song you sang! It was as if you time traveled from those ages.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks!

[@petrosntoum3526]

literally every historian :Macedonia and Alexander were defininitely greek ppl from FYROM: I'm going to pretend I didn't see this

[@yorkaturr]

Whenever I think of languages with tonality or pitch accents, I can't help but think how they're supposed to keep that up all the time. I mean if you're emotional, injured, bouncing on horseback or shouting off the top of your lungs for example, you won't be able to physically pronounce whatever you're saying unless you're an operatic singer or something.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

That's an interesting interpretation. See it from the view of a Japanese person speaking to me: "How do you, Luke, keep up that consistent loudness distinction all the time of stress accents in every word when you're emotional, injured, or shouting?" It's simply part of the language. Naturally things can get obscured or muddled, but it doesn't go away.

[@yorkaturr]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Well you’re obviously right, since it works for at least half the population of the world. Still hard to comprehend intuitively.