Legion Melee Comparison - All Classes

[@saberwolfcdw]

Preemptive "You're Welcome" :-) Worst: Retribution Paladin - 1:55 Survival Hunter - 3:02 Arms Warrior - 4:31 Rogue (All specs) - 6:05 Good: Feral Druid - 8:02 Fury Warrior - 9:01 Havoc Demon Hunter - 10:42 Outstanding: Enhancement Shaman - 12:38 Windwalker Monk - 13:48 Deathknight (Unholy and Frost) - 16:13

[@RedTailedSmeargle]

and here i am debating between monk and Shammy. Loved shammy for years, monk is growing on me and after seeing Preach's take on them it clicked for me when i was on the ptr. And I like all 3 specs of each and can comfortably play all 3 specs of each. what do

[@saberwolfcdw]

Right there with you. I have been really loving Frost DKs for years but before that I was a hardcore Enhancement Shaman guy. So I am kind of stuck as well. LOL

[@Evvangelion]

so top are basicly classes that do mega aoe pressure and dmg ...

[@usa1327]

thank you, saved me 20 minutes. doesnt help me decide what to play at all. but at least i get to see the list

[@Nihilism2011]

I have always loved enhancement shammy and will always play one. My frost DK is probably on par with my shammy for fun in WoD so I am happy that both are looking good. I tend to play prot warrior and prot pally as I just never seem to click with fury (or arms) or with ret and find them a bit laborious. I am also going to persevere with my feral druid even though it was a little disappointing in WoD. I'll still wait until after the first round of major patches before deciding whether to buy Legion though. The content (or lack thereof) for casual players has me concerned.

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

I knew maining a DK since Wrath would pay off eventually :p

[@grip7777]

What do you mean eventually? It was really good and has been pretty much every expansion :P esp blood.

[@simonjohansson5774]

Good does not mean fun

[@grip7777]

Zimquiz I guess: I mainly played blood as my alt specc and found it pretty interesting.

[@bilmason5197]

+grip7777 dk was so fun on wrath launch

[@AlvinEarthworm]

Knights of Acherus, rejoice! Now it is our time to shine!

[@sim8317]

Guys,this is very opinion based dont choose what to main according to other peoples' opinion please.PTR is open for everyone.And it is there to test all specs.Test it on your own and find whats fun for you!Have a nice day.

[@powercheif]

how do you get into the PTR?

[@2manyp0w3r]

Not only does he disclaim that he also explains what he likes/dislikes in the videos. Taking his list as a starter is defintively valid if you don't want to waste hours on the ptr...

[@powercheif]

+Solanstusx thanks! years ago, I was on the PTR, but I forgot how to go back to it lol.

[@Zakon673]

Please do remember that this is opinion. For example, I quite enjoyed most of the classes in his bottom list, but I didn't care for the stuff at the top of his list. Especially his no.1 pick, I just did not like it at all. On the other hand, I'll probably be maining Survival Hunter.

[@julianor1671]

same for me, I enjoyed SV the most of all melee classes.I dont really need what preach seems to need in a spec

[@spanishh2001]

play what YOU like...this is just his opinion. Am warrior for life...

[@ranorando613]

yeah no shit, he literally said that at the start of the video

[@spanishh2001]

+rano rando....you could make a comment with being an MAJOR "A" HOLE....

[@icresp4263]

Fuck yeah Arms warriors represent

[@Davew5183]

It'll probably get a damage nerf but I'm really enjoying Prot pally atm

[@gillsterwow]

hes not really being one but okay....

[@Muriako]

I was hoping this video could sway me one way or the other in my struggle between Shaman and DK for Legion. Nope, they're both still amazing. God damn it.

[@1trevor30]

Play both.

[@mgalangzingme12]

had the same issue but was maining dk and will gladly stay that way:)

[@zenoftw]

Lol same those are the two classes I'm stuck between right now argh

[@WeirdViking]

Ill sway it with this... everyone from soccer moms to supernerds are gonna have a DK, so go with Shammy, be a rebel

[@DarkClown06]

I'm having the same problem. I have played Shaman since I started the game back in WoTLK, I have enjoyed monk a lot in Pandaria and WoD, Dk's have never been my cup of tea, but they look so damn fun now. I'm really torn.

[@studdmuffen8]

why does blizzard hate ret!?!?!

[@lolzinjo12]

he does not like game play ....i recon ret will be at first 3 places in dps rank

[@matthewwilliams1428]

I can concur. I have a main ret in my guild. The damage is there, but the gameplay isn't, from what he said.

[@Repz_VN]

nah bro i beat a ret lvl110 in 820 ilvl in a dungeon as a lvl103 ww 719 ilvl, SINGLE TARGET cause ww is crazy in aoe

[@GamingNormaly]

Depends on the nummbers....they can make it the strongest OR the weakest

[@godsilla94]

Apart from beta numbers being pretty much irrelevant, you can never underestimate how influential player skill is. I have seen people with ridiculous Gear that still couldn't pull decent DPS to save their life

[@tpchris2573]

I hate that since Wrath they've made Paladins worse and worse to play. Unfortunately I love my paladin and will never be able to not main him.

[@NickMarshman]

I love WoD and MoP ret paladin. While I did enjoy Wrath ret I don't think I'd count either of these variants as "worse to play." Legion on the other hand I dislike ret immensely.

[@tpchris2573]

Nick Marshman Cata was fucking pitiful, MoP got a little better, then WoD was realistically decent, now we are back to wtf this shit is.

[@NickMarshman]

ThePatriotChris Oh cata was horrible which is why I didn't include it. The sheer downtime was atrocious. There isn't that much downtime in legion but it still feels horrible and I can easily see why it was the worst melee spec on preach's list.

[@mrtrebor96]

+Nick Marshman I completely agree with you there. I've really enjoyed Paladin, but in Legion they just look awful.

[@tpchris2573]

Nick Marshman unfortunately for me I love the Paladin, not just for the gameplay so I know I'm not gonna be able to pull myself away from it even in this xpac.

[@sebkure]

They give us Ashbringer, and then force us to leave the spec because they're making it so horribly unsatisfying to play.

[@maggimaster]

...i like it....

[@NamesAreForNerds]

its really not all bad. the talents may be boring compared to other classes, but to be fair, it was in wod too. the core playstyle hasnt changed that much, if you enjoyed ret in wod changes are you still do. besides its all opinion anyway :p

[@maggimaster]

NamesAreForNerds crusade+justicar+wake combo just makes my cock tingle

[@Weerknuffelbeer]

I think the main problem with Ret is that the talents just don't bring a lot of gameplay. The only thing that really shakes things up and requires consideration as to when to use it is Crusade.

[@maggimaster]

Weerknuffelbeer true but with some of the new changes you can now figure out "hmmm should i use zeal or greater judgement for aoe" plus you can choose either justicars vengeance a heavy hitting ability that also serves as a heal along with a great way to buff crusade stacks or a new mitigation or an aoe heal (personally i build to 5 hp then crusade in justicars then ashes into justicar for a ton of stacks quickly add that to the crusader strike talent you get really fast hits making you think "hmmm is zeal now better than judgement or would that still be better because i have 5 targets?" you can also pull a boss then have divine intervention proc into holy wrath or you can go full crit build and use the blade of wrath talent

[@Dotoku14]

Oh god I can't WAIT for the caster video.

[@Belastro_]

I just dont get it, i found Ret Paladin to be so damn fun! nearly everything he said i disagreed with in regards to the ret pally, i really think im maining it for legion!

[@dezarone4785]

+Tyler Willson yup im maining assassination. im bot gonna changw my mind cause of a preach vid lol. just good to see his point of view

[@Wepospalient]

he said likes the wod ret pally but hates the legion ret pally. im the exact opposite.

[@ItzzTatum]

I found combat in the past and now Outlaw the only fun rogue spec I've played I am leveling a rogue to 100 in time for legion just for Outlaw but I can't stand the other specs

[@혜성지기]

Honestly play whatever you like. I'll be retiring my main mythic ret paladin in legion as I really don't like the changes. Old rets will retire and new rets will take their place.

[@혜성지기]

Tyler Willson I don't really care if they top damage. If they do then that's great as we've never seen ret paladin up there with other top dps classes like mage and locks. I'd rather a fluid, fun spec rather than boring talents and skills that just don't feel as fun but top dps. Honestly, if i wanted to play arms warrior, i would've rolled an arms warrior.

[@AdrasAdraki]

"first of the first the paladin" i cried there :/ rip main :'(

[@scollumbell]

Hey man, Don't give up so easily on you main, Get on the PTR and try it, It's only preaches opinion. You still might enjoy it :)

[@charlesscott1468]

for pve I felt that ret was very fluid and smooth now. it just sucks for pvp because of zero mobility.

[@short0811]

#feelsbadman

[@AdrasAdraki]

#idditfeelsrealyrealybad

[@Relhio]

You don't actually listen to Preacher when it comes to enjoyment, do you? He's like a woman, even he doesn't know what he wants.

[@WeirdViking]

Wholeheartedly agree with the Death Knight. its stupid how FUN it is. Not even good, just FUUUUUUUN! Inside a single spec like unholy, there's 2 main ways of playing it and then 3-5 tweaks that still change it, all of which work and are great. From affliction warrior in pvp to bursty setup in pve, there's just so much depth. And as said, if unholy gets outperformed by frost on mythic raiding (which i kinda suspect it will) its fine, cause frost is SO FUN too, in a different really meaty satisfying way. Frost atm is the definition of BIG DICK DPS, you go just mad seeing the carnage you leave behind.

[@selimcelik3494]

For frost to be better than unholy it would have to come down to breath of sindragosa or the artifact ability being stupidly powerful. Removing Killing Machine for Frost strike means an over reliance on physical damage which is pretty bad compared to the old one which was also overshadowed by Unholy. It looks to be a trash killer for now with remorseless winter and classic howling blast spam.

[@selimcelik3494]

+Glen Tipton I didn't even consider PvP. Of course I would probably still prefer Frost for PvP but late game scaling with Mastery changes how PvE works in terms of Physical damage so Frost is at a disadvantage unless the CDs are ridiculous.

[@anti6868]

"Big dick dps" xD lol! Though here I sit not being able to ever play wow, due to my 3rd world country.

[@jshrmstrng]

Same here! I dropped my DK in WoD and got into Combat Rogue a lot, loved Combat Rogue. Not feeling Outlaw as much and I have been reeeally enjoying Frost DK, very satisfying and fun to play so far.

[@KosmataBradva]

10 thousand comment copy probably, but ranged/tank class coverage in the same manner expected?

[@cantfindaname123421]

He already did tank. Healer/ranged coming

[@liberofree1]

when is the healer comming cause I really wonna hear about holadin doesnt fit as i thought something is messed up

[@SFXBirdGod]

He already did tank but he said that he's probably take another look since that was in alpha

[@rikjansen2997]

Preach said on stream that healers would be next up, so you can expect the series to start after he's back from his holiday.

[@AlexanderForsman]

Very different than i thought it would be, when comparing to your individual-spec videos

[@JuanDMarinR]

You`re right about #1, they feel so fucking good to play on any spec and the rotations are amazing, plus those sick animations.

[@greenbird3179]

Sad to hear about Ret and Outlaw, but stoked for Unholy, Enhancement and Fury.

[@greenbird3179]

+mymanmitch1096 Indeed. Never leveled a Monk but the artifact seems awesome.

[@JohnDoe-vh7mu]

Artifact looks pretty bad, and the ability is just a generic cleave ability

[@greenbird3179]

+John Doe Meant the idea of Fists of the Windlord. Elemental Lord power, yo.

[@eclypse3d]

Don't forget Survival =) I remember in Vanilla where a properly geared and speccd Survival hunter could wreck you with Mongoose bite. Still was ranged but that was the whole point of hunters and why they had a range penalty to using the bow/gun, that was having a melee alternative for brief close quarters combat, then get out and range again. Now since they made them so mobile, removed range requirements, it seems odd to make a pure melee hunter without any hunter aspects, like say reliance on traps and melee, a specialty in hunting knives/daggers etc.

[@greenbird3179]

+Tyler Willson I know they changed Jolly Roger and I think they nerfed True Bearing, fixing a problem for a lot of people playing the spec.

[@Danilaschannel]

Death and Decay More like Death and DK

[@matthewsaustin88]

Is the range comparison coming soon ? Videos are great .

[@scollumbell]

Well if you use that thing you call a brain, You'd work out it will probably come out after all the final looks of range? DUH!

[@Yhdyssanakoe]

Are you alright?

[@cal6599]

When your main is the first in the bad group =(

[@pontusmattsson9487]

Well this is very much his opinion rather important to know that, what preach perhaps cant stand others might think is fine.

[@Xraxic]

thank goodness I also have a DK as a backup, and will probably use my /100 on a shammy! Pally was also the lowest on his tanking comparison as well. Wondering how the healing is going to rank. lol

[@cal6599]

+Pontus mattsson I appreciate that, just a little disheartening.

[@pontusmattsson9487]

Xraxic I very much think you should try it yourself and then get an opinion on the classes and not only go on what he thinks.

[@gfnmpa]

Worse class to play... But ret will still be in top 5 dps of Legion lol

[@MeltingBuddhaCandle]

I have had a hard time figuring out what I want to play in Legion, as I haven't really been hardcore into WoW since my heyday of TBC/Wrath/Cata and only casually during MoP/WoD with very long breaks during these two. Not to mention the feeling of repetition and staleness of ever increasing class homogenization over the past few years that has put me off. It's good to know now that my old DK raiding main during Wrath/Cata is going to be dusted off and put back into the fray thanks to your video. The new spells and gameplay look fucktastic!

[@revick2769]

Wow a lot of these must have changed since your full preview, you gushed over ret sad to see it is suddenly the worst.

[@Grimbonez]

i was thinking the same thing. pretty sure i remember him really liking ret in the video, well at least, it wasnt the "worst of the worst" lol

[@eclypse3d]

He made the statements that many classes have changed during Alpha and Beta updates which moved some classes up and down the list based on things being reworked so much it has changed his liking one or another, either they broke something that was good and viable or they added or changed a class and made it better. As we all know Blizzard fixes and breaks classes all the time, its not called the nerf hammer for nothing.

[@ExecutionerVT009]

The preview is a couple months old now, with alpha/beta and them changing all sorts of stuff it looks like it got taken down a peg.... or twelve... I've played with PTR ret and I hate it compared to WoD ret. Sad times :(

[@Nortrin]

He also said Arms has few interesting gamestyles and now he is bashing it...

[@MarkLee1]

Looks like someone at Blizzard took over the Tigole's legacy and made ret boring crap again.

[@Sergio_AKA_MightyPants]

Hey Preach! I only just found out about your videos, I'd never really looked into WoW videos in all my years of playing but I've really enjoyed your videos, especially this one and how you went over each class. Keep it up! It's been helpful to me already!

[@xxJOHNLIKESPIExx]

preach dk confirmed???

[@Wee_Man435]

possibly shaman imo with the ability to switch between ranged and melee dps

[@AuraXars]

Something he hated with the rogue was that it was a nightmare beeing pure dps, so imo it will be down to what he thinks of the rest of them, as in mistweaver and brew(we know he loved mistweaver) resto shaman(don't think he has made a vid on it yet, we know he loves ele) and blood, which he mentioned was one of the better ones, but still things like shadow priest etc

[@CrazyIvan64]

In an earlier video he was saying he might go for Monk after being so impressed with Windwalker since he also likes the Mistweaver spec for healing and somewhat likes Brewmaster as well if he felt like he needed to play something non-dps. Could still be anything though at this point... except Paladin...

[@naturesprofit6635]

dk spriest demo warlock and fury warrior all look amazing for legion, i think im gunna stick with spreist tho since the change to use you're void form when ever you want to is so fun enjoyable and rewarding into one little amazing package

[@MarkLee1]

Everytime he confirms his main prior to a new expansion launch, he changes his mind couple months into it.

[@TheFreddy136]

where the warlock !!!!

[@ech0six]

What part of "melee" didn't you get, dunce?

[@TheFreddy136]

Its joke from the wod video

[@scollumbell]

Hahaha #rekT!

[@danielskrivan6921]

The Metamorphosis Demonology Warlock was right in the middle of this video. It was cool in one specific spec, but the other talents weren't very fun, according to Preach.

[@mmokej]

melee m8

[@robertt8163]

Great content, I really appreciate the effort you put into supporting the community, I think I've watched all the class previews since starting in MoP to learn what was for me

[@sarphog]

Was a main rogue in WoD, and boy am I salty. At least priest and lock looks cool oh and DK

[@robingasser2496]

But rouge is very cool I think

[@iSouleyx]

same, hoping for some minor tweaks to the rogue because i dont want to throw my rogue away after 10~ years

[@toomuchstarbucks6787]

Saaame here.

[@sinklar7946]

I like the subt rogue. The idea of being an edgelord with shadow magic is cool, and it still retains the fundamentals of WoD subt but with just a faster playstyle since you have three short Shadow Dances rather than one big Shadow Dance.

[@firedrake110]

Priest does look cool, as long as you aren't looking to be disc lol

[@josh_on_gosh]

I'm relatively new to WoW and I thought Death Knights were really cool looking so it was nice to hear that it was very strong. However, I looked up a video guide for it and the resources and whatnot looked really complicated. Is it actually difficult or is it easy to learn? Thanks for any help.

[@inferno876]

I agree with preacher on everything said about dk to me all 3 specs look fun and feel good to play. Comparing it to my pally it's just night in the day on which class blizzard put more effort into and made interesting .

[@Cortic]

I cannot find your Frost Death Knight Beta Complete Preview video. There is one from Alpha that runs for ~45 minutes, but you seem to have done updated videos for all the melee except frost?

[@buzzboy199]

Furious Slash is the worst ability I've ever seen. I NEVER use it. I would much rather use Whirlwind. Furious Slash does less damage than Whirlwind, and even if you use it like 3 times (which is 3 wasted attacks basically), it still might not cause your Bloodthirst to crit. Of course Blizzard decided that for pvp, to make warriors use furious slash, they made it so we have basically no crit chance at all. This ruins the fury warrior entirely as a pvp spec. Luckily there is a pvp talent which can be used for fury. Though they need to enrage once for it to work at all. Really, if they want it to be used, they just need to make it do more damage than whirlwind, and perhaps they should make it increase the crit chance of all attacks

[@filip1301]

Fury was deleted as a PVP option the moment they added the 30% (20% if talented) additional damage while enraged. Meanwhile arms is getting access to much more flexible and controllable sources of both pressure and burst with talents like Focused Raged and MortalCombo while still having defensive stance.

[@IPIay01]

not knowing about the 300% haste fury warrior build.

[@Konde1]

I played fury warrior on the alpha pvp realm and it used to self-heal a shitton to make up for the 30% more damage taken

[@nemobla1]

play arms.

[@jrex3]

All you have to do is BT>RB>FS>BT>RB>FS and throw in Rampage when you have enough rage or it procs. If you have a single target. The increased chance of crit is much more of a payoff long term than a whirlwind on less than 3 enemies.

[@danielvanhooser8329]

I watched this video and greatly appreciated your honest opinions. The attempt at being as unbiased as possible is hard for anyone to do and you did it well. Will you be making a ranged DPS comparison video as well? I've been healing/tanking for 10 years now and want to make the leap, but I want it to fit before I commit.

[@Omfgseriouslyyyyyyyy]

People fail to realize this is his opinion, what he finds fun you might not, idealizing and basing an entire "well since preach hates x class, i'm not going to play it". I'm rerolling back to rogue just for legion, just because I LOVE the idea of having a melee class you have to micromanage dots with for maximum DPS. It's on his shit list, but at the moment, mut rogues are one of, if not the highest damage dealing classes in the game, and they might not even be fully optimized when doing so. I get you're on vacation preach, and I have literally nothing against ya, just wanted to let these guys know "what's bad for me" doesn't mean they'll hate it too. >.>

[@JohnnyFiction]

I agree with a good portion of your opinions, but you are WAY off on the Outlaw Rogue. Since you mainly raid and don't PVP, I can maybe understand where you're coming from, but you clearly did not get enough time or practice in with the Outlaw to appreciate it. Some of the coolest looking new attacks, the combos, the speed, the Dreadblade artifact weapons, the theme and the utility, all combine to be by far the most fun and interesting spec in the game. People that complain about damage forget that we're still in beta and numbers can easily change. In battlegrounds and arenas though, it's a thrilling beast of a spec, and you really need to give it a second glance.

[@SalvLav]

Nope, fuck that shiet

[@JohnnyFiction]

Ya know BM Hunter is my main in live and I didn't see much in the new Surv that I liked. Testing it, the functionality worked well enough, but the rotation was bland and the mongoose bite mechanic was.. alright? I haven't tested it in pvp yet, but you're saying all of that becomes way more fun out there?

[@asho78]

Outlaw may be fun in PVP but it sucks if you're a serious arena player. Roll the bones is too RNG it can make or ruin the arena for you. If you pick up slice and dice instead, you have no potential burst. The only decent rogue spec I have found in arena is assassination. But that may just be me. There's no doubt rogue is going to be strong in PVP. As for this videos his issues with the rogue seem to be he doesn't get it or it doesn't fit. That has no bearings on if the rogue is actually good in pve.

[@JohnnyFiction]

From all the testing I've done in pvp beta and all the number crunching I've seen, Sub is going to dominate arena for the rogue class. However, in Battlegrounds, the teamwork traits and talents that Outlaw boasts have made them top or near top damage in Many instances.

[@taylorsturgill9177]

I even love it in PvE

[@godsilla94]

Similarly to WoD I actually chose the same favorite spec as Preach, going from a Rogue main in WoD to DK Main and Enhc Twink in Legion. I'm so damn pumped! Thanks for the awesome content, Preacher!

[@DraphEnjoyer]

Sorry Preach but the WoD Ret Paladin is quite literally complete garbage and the changes now are much better. Also people abandoning specs because of prepatch balance and early beta balance is hilarious. Half of these "fun" specs are going to be bashed with hammers once Blizz starts getting live raid data Its both cute and sad seeing enhance shamans getting so excited as if they're unaware of how Blizzard hates shamans and how enhance is probably going to be dumpstered 3 weeks into the expansion

[@AlvinEarthworm]

WoD Ret Pally = Whack a Mole

[@Graymen99]

It's a called a priority system, some players don't like them, that's okay. A lot of players however do.

[@benlahcakes]

what's interesting is WoD ret is very rng on procs and I thought preach hated rng, legion is very much use abilities to charge up holy power and then use your big fuck off spenders, It's not restricted by too much rng proccing and I find it quite fun. A lot of classes work the same he likes ww monk but it's the same as ret pally. I just don't get his analysis. This video is super negative and it really doesn't help when it's meant to be a comparison between the classes not between what's bad about all the classes.

[@SiberdineCorp]

I think many raiders who raid hardcore for hours get mind-meltingly bored with the Rogue-style, 1-1-1-1-1-2 "big fuck off spender" gameplay

[@oximofo9]

Agreed. I think its much better to reset the base of Ret AWAY from Set Bonuses and RNG Proc Priority. It's a good start IMHO.

[@Gosumoni]

Hey Preach, you are one of the few people I know who have actually played pretty much every spec in the legion alpha/beta, so I got a question regarding about them: which specs woud you say are the easiest ones to play in raids/5mans in terms of "rotation" and things like that? Got quite a few rusty returning players joining us on Legion, mainly for our nm & hc runs and as I have only looked into the specs I plan to play I got no idea which specs to recommend for them. Historically Melee is the role with least mechanics to worry about, but some of the specs (such as WW) tend to be really punishing if you aren't able to play the spec properly. In MoP the go "newbie" spec was frost DK, in WoD many would argue Ret pally to be the one. Both are your usual durable tanky melee spesc with strong defensive skills and/or self heals, which have made them great in inexperienced hands in the past, but has some other spec passed them in Legion, particularly in terms of easy rotation? Bonus points if the spec also has solid aoe capabilities.

[@TjPhysicist]

Does this video (like many class guides out there) talk mainly from a "end game, progression raiding" POV or are you also considering gameplay related to other types of gameplay like soloing, levelling, worldquests, and so on?

[@Gravyon]

That feel when DK looks legitimately awesome, but your raid group could really use the Commanding Shout from you playing a Warrior. I'll see how both feel at lvl 110 then make my decision, I think.

[@adamshinabarger]

Did your bromance with Bay get stronger with your gushing over Enh? ;) I'm conflicted between frost DK and Shadow Priest for Legion, so I'm really looking forward to what you have to say about Shadow. Great video.

[@RipsaltyTV]

God man, I couldn't agree more with the Fury spot. As a Fury main in WoD (first time maining a DPS since Wrath) I had an absolute blast, but even with the few steps back that it has taken in the beta recently, I am still looking forward to maining one again. Preach, are you planning on maining as a DPS again on Legion?

[@rocket_wolf6114]

Navigation for the different classes and speccs: 1:56 - Ret Paladin 3:02 - Survival Hunter 4:33 - Arms Warrior 6:04 - Rogue (in general) 8:01 - Feral Druid 9:03 - Fury Warrior 10:43 - Havoc Demon Hunter 12:40 - Enhancement Shaman 13:49 - Windwalker Monk 16:23 - Death Knight (in general) Legion hype!!

[@Weerknuffelbeer]

About feral: The way the spec plays actually comes pretty close to how an actual great cat hunts. They patiently wait for the right moment, then pounce in a short explosion of furry fury. However, they also tire pretty quickly which explains why the spec is generally pretty slow and methodical with short spammy periods during the opener, tigers' fury and berserk/ incarnation. Anyhow, I also really like the DK. Both specs have a really satisfying flow to them. It's fast without being GCD locked, it looks a lot better with the new melee animations and it rewards using your resources wisely, and it gives you the flexibility to switch between them as needed. And it just feels awesome to get a 35 second Breath of Sindragosa off in 680 template gear already :P Pity I can't try Apocalypse on the PTR already, seems like such a cool ability. DK also gives me a tank offspec for when it's needed (not a tank main but I'm no stranger to it either) so that's good as well. I'm just concerned about their lack of mobility given that I've always been a feral main except for Warlords (fury warrior which are also pretty mobile) and I've learned to rely on that to get out of shit or stick to people during PvP.

[@julienblais4314]

Hey Preach, are you going to do range as well? Although I'm pretty much set on Spriest or UDK, I like the input. Keep it up!

[@zenkayne2647]

Did you do a complete preview of the frost DK except for this? I can't find it on your channel. Anyways, awesome series as always Preach!

[@John_Conner222]

do you have a video like this for casters/ ranged dps?

[@shade3385]

I main both Unholy Death knight and Enhancement Shaman, played more Enhancement so its my true main. Very happy with the changes to both of these specs, and looking forward to playing them in Legion!

[@ummthatminecraftguy]

You seem to be quite fond of the survival hunter in your preview video so why is it in the 'shit specs' section? I thought you would put it in the 'ok specs' part. Just curious to why you changed your mind on survival so quickly.

[@ducktitanmcduck859]

Since the beginning of burning crusade, rogues have been one of the highest burst/single target DPS in the game. I agree that subtlety is trash and and outlaw is just a reroll of combat spec, I maintain that mute(assassination) rogues will maintain one of the highest burst/single target DPS in the game. I think it's an interesting concept, make rogues more dependant on bleeds for sustain damage much like the d.o.t.s of an affliction warlock. And since rogues generate 7 energy each time poisoned targets take bleed damage with generous wounds....and we have exangunate, making our bleeds ticks 400& faster...along with the artifact traits of the king slayers...I see high potential for assassination rogues to stay highly effective as melee DPS in raids. I think with the elusiveness talent...30 % reduced damage from all sourcrs while feign is active...evasion...cloak of shadows....and our own heal, assassination is most likely going to be viable in PvP, as bleeds can't be cleansed..

[@OmegaSoypreme]

I'd already decided on my shaman as my main long ago. It's such a spectacle to behold. And like Preach with his dk, even if elemental becomes more effective than enhancement I will happily play it instead. The sound effects are just so good. The cracking thunder and the dull smack if lava. It feels powerful.

[@Kusaji]

Thank you Preach, I will still be leveling a pally, but more than likely as a tank. The new melee animations and sounds just make ALL of the classes so much more satisfying imo.

[@TreeFolkDruid]

is he going to do healers after this? or have he allready done that and I am just blind?

[@InsanityReborn]

'The final change to storm, earth and fire...' *_HEED MY CALL._* The only thing that went through my head.

[@Interrobang212]

I fucking love these class comparison videos. Helped me decide to main a mage in WoD, and my "main alt" being a Blood/Unh DK.

[@SeraphinaRivera]

is there a ranged version of this video or are you making it later? not sure if i missed it

[@Damnation1989]

Im sorry bout i find your comments about rogues completey wrong, Currently 13/13M with about 150 hours on beta at 110 as Assassination/sub With the removal of the exacute dispatch they did it to all classes, The bleeds are indeed the key about the spec but managing 3 bleeds with multiple cool downs is more enjoyable then spamming ambush within a RNG trinket proc. Assassination atm is so fluid an smooth to play in legion it dose lack in aoe dps but it is extremely strong in Single Target an Cleave/Council Fights, Aldo did you have rank 34 artifact to complete the spec? or was it just based on first golden ?

[@theVoidyTv]

in WOD video preach said "paladin have too many buttons doing all same shit" in Legion Alpha "ret is best, super talent tree many choices" and nowe a massive U-turn on all of this and "i hate choice in talents and too few buttons" :D For reals ?

[@jaggerkenyon6495]

I main fury warrior and I love the way he plays, I got the talent where Raging Blow can be used all the time and I'm loving it. I no longer have down time and I think that what makes him better than WoD fury war

[@acegamestv]

Can some one link his main character? I'm having trouble finding it. Thanks in advance!

[@Benrage321]

Hey mates, what is the addon called to display the debuffs right at the enemies name plate? Would be great to know for a few classes.

[@ianolivier9908]

Just a question for anyone who has played the beta, does the artifact weapon make the classes play a little faster, especially on the melee side cause with patch 7 the classes specifically melee seem to play just a tad slower so will the artifact fill in for that slight gap?

[@MrAdamAnty]

In general yes, and although I haven't played all melee specs enough to know if this is true for all of them, for many classes (such as Arms Warrior) the artifact ability helps fill in some of the gaps and speed up the rotation.

[@griffknox]

Preach, would you say the changes to rogues would be deterring even to long time rogue players? I've mained mine since BC, but WW and Fury are looking mighty tempting...

[@catmartinez4022]

Really satisfied that enhance is at the top for you. I started playing one in WoD and was decently satisfied with it, but seeing the legion changes got me super hyped. Seeing that you enjoyed it makes me even more excited to play.

[@TheChaoscontroll1]

I am really excited for the Havoc spec and I'm rather glad you enjoyed it too, Preach :)

[@themasked-bandit6984]

Hey preach I literally watch all your videos ive watched every video the past year and a half. I was wondering if you are going to do / have time to do a ranged final look as there been a lot of number changes in the past 3 weeks. I been looking at affliction warlock as a main, mainly cause it seems like 90% of legion content is in the open world and it will be nice to have healing a affli lock has for no down time. seems like picking any class with no sustain will be hell to do the legion content if you have no healer around. so from playing them i'm considering affli lock first and unholy dk 2nd as a main. you have an opinion on this? or does open world sustain really matter?

[@daedelus76]

You posted a video back in March singing the praises of the Ret paladin - what changed that put them at the bottom of the barrel?

[@MidwayPaladin]

Please, could you review the Brewmaster Monk now that the changes appear to be definitive? I'd love to hear your opinion on regards of this specs performance in the Legion Beta, knowing that it was excluded from your tank ranking video back in the day :) Thank you very much, love your videos :D

[@Gurrafe]

My main right now is Survival Hunter. I am new to the game, and used to play way back in 05, but I don't remember much from then. But, yeah, it was fine up until like 40, then plrrrrp. Toss that shit. Just wish it had more flair or something. It just feels like a lot is missing. I wish it involved the pet more often than like 1 attack. I felt it would be pretty cool to make survival hunter based around say Pyromatics and lots and lots of traps, and even maybe implementing jumping attack animations rather than pokes and spins, I feel like animations can go a long way, but overall the class brings nothing but single target damage. I usually am on top with DPS but not until we get to a boss, it's best to pick a class that does both, so im trying out new things. Hell, I don't know. But I agree with what you and basically everyone else has said about the survival hunter, it just looked so cool, and it's too bad it isn't. This video is helpful for me, so thank you!

[@swordoflorn]

You have such a unique perspective on classes, Preach. I don't agree with your opinions most of the time, but I still enjoy hearing them... for some reason. Thanks for the vid!

[@ClaWs369]

A question about the Warrior, back in WoD I wanted to roll a Warrior just for the Gladiator stance, Protection was absolutely a blast for me so I thought Gladiator Stance would make It even better, but I notice It's missing from the Protection Talent tree. Does that mean It's done for?

[@RobertSmith-ch9jj]

Thanks Preach. Cannot wait for the caster comparison!

[@ZugZug99]

I'll be honest, when fury had CS, it was my favorite that fury had ever been. I loved the idea of pooling rage properly and then blowing it all once colossus smash was up, and I think it added a little more skill to the spec regardless of the fact that there was still RNG involved in terms of resetting the CD on the ability.

[@l0lhei541]

As a WW Monk main since it's arrival in World of Warcraft, I am so damn happy about the changes. We feel so fluent and much more cool to play with the new animations and all. Sure, I do miss the stun on my FoF, and how the old Storm, Earth and Fire worked, but all in all? This is great.

[@ZeusMasterson]

hello preach very good video bro :) Let me ask something: is the casters version coming anytime soon or u wont do it?

[@chrisp1669]

Enhancement has been my main since BC. I have played it on the ptr and it is fun. My only gripe is the lack of shamanistic rage andpuppy heals for survivability and the lack of range for frostbrand. Can't wait to stormlash my melee brothers and sisters.

[@LinkenLorko]

I'm really happy with how arms is. I'll play it.

[@psdjklgfuiob]

I love the quality of your videos, I just wish you played pvp because I can't find any people making videos about legion classes as high quality as yours judging them in the light of pvp

[@erinopheim1125]

I'm so happy with the changes to melee. I thought all dk specs were boring, spammy, just faceroll but this is utterly amazing! Good job Blizz and thank you, Preach for the hours and hours you've spent to bring us this joy

[@mrbenoit444]

WE MADE IT WHOOOO, enhancements looks so good I'm happy people feel the same way

[@jeroendhaan]

Is that Grid on the left? What addon is the healthbar below your character? :)

[@IcyDeadGaming]

Preach you going to do a ranged list like melee? I've seen people like Final boss ranged stuff but I feel you're better at getting the 'are they fun' side down. Currently playing Warlock and they look ok but melee's all look much cooler currently.

[@dracopalidine]

So the three classes I cant decide on are your top three, shaman, monk or dk. Shaman looks slightly more interesting to me but I don't know if I could give up having a tank. Did they do anything to improve DK mobility? I'd do feral main once again if it wasn't for the ae. It really did make dungeons just not fun to play.

[@Tackomeil]

Soo.. my 3 favorites are on the top, guess i will be having fun in Legion :D (Enhancement, Windwalker, Frost)

[@grzegorzt6987]

Hey Preach, do you think that making DK first and second was caused by some sentiment to that class? I wonder.

[@004947]

i know its obv but range comparison coming soon ?

[@foodslayer17]

What is the background music called? Like at 2:25. Plz

[@GraemeWatt]

I've been so split between playing Rogue or Mage as a main recently, I thought I had decided on Rogue but having played both on the beta and now hearing your thoughts Preach I guess I'll have to wait to see the Ranged comparison to decide.

[@RajSingh-li4xh]

Assassination has by far improved a lot since WoD. The gameplay required to maximise DPS is so much more involved, especially if you go for the Hemorhhage Exsanguinate build, and Exsanguinate, if done correctly, feels as satisfying as Shadow Dance in WoD. Assassin class fantasy and bleeds aside, this spec I think deserves at least the middle range Preacher.

[@Joeyfield0]

Okay, before the video starts, let me make some predictions: feral druid will be in worse, because people keep complaining that it's more for pvp and not pve, and people always wanna nerf it, and I don't wanna hear it. Although for me, probably in moderate since they got around to putting skills on talents, which means a second option for a difference in burst, small multi-target buff, and well, you're playing a cat. But I'm being bias for that since I go into combat, then press /dance over and over again. Outlaw rogue is the only class I tried. Assassination and sublity I found too complicated to put together in 30 minutes. Love the roll on dice, double strikes, and those are without the talents. I would put this as fun to play, but with the rng, I cannot see this to be viable at all for raids, so in the worse again. Monks on to the 2nd category. I found the rotation had very little down time (since it is encouraged to use different abilities), but unless I was playing something off incorrectly, the damage wasn't something exciting. Quite fun though. Fury warrior. All I did when playing was spam bladestorm over and over again. It was fun swinging the swords, so he'll but this on the best category(Arms I didn't understand and skipped it.) Enhancement shaman. I spent 3 hours on it in the ptr, and have been using it in pve environments for hours after release. Single target, multi-target, moving in, moving out, jumping in, summon wolves, throw lightning, empower enemies while shocking others? Yeah, this is probably going to be his favorite as it is mines. DK: Least time I spent testing. Even though I could not get the rune cooldown correctly, I found changing talents was amazing to look at, and I could figure out what was going on. Couldn't find that giant protection thing people kept showing off in wod, maybe it disappeared, but it was rather smooth. I don't know how to judge it, except that it's not bad. Also, I forgot DK sound different vocally, and speaking voices while fighting is also cool. Now we're back to the video You being a very experience raider has given me hope I might try feral druid for raiding. Thanks for making me feel better. Thought i'd be stuck with being resto and boom all the time. (Guardian I still need to figure out) Well, I guess me not figuring out how much fun the class is or the rotation speaks for itself, because you thought all three specs were trash. I guess I'll use my rogue purely for utility than raid, and maybe save her for leveling another time. Monk, windwalker. I should've spent more time on multiple enemies, because you mentioned and showed it a few times. I don't understand class fantasy, but I'm glad we see that the talents in there were good choices. Yeah, I'm a warrior, but it was nice to know you liked Fury. You also answered my question for arms: it appears the colossus smash was what I was suppose to have done to make that class work. Good to know, even if I may or may not touch that. Enhancement shaman, all the talents and all the flexibility. Not to mention it still looks cool, but maybe now I'll put more time grabbing some agility gear. I like it for the looks, you like it for the talents, sounds good. Death Knights: And they told me not to select breath of sindragosa. Let's go back and do that again. It was fun to play, and I hope to maybe level one because of your enthusiasm. Still don't know what happened to that shield in wod, but I'm sure it doesn't matter. Let's summon ice, or make enemies get attacked like we're playing beast mastery with plagues.

[@danielskrivan6921]

Question for those in the Beta: how much of your class do you actually use in Legion? How much variety is there in what you do based on what's going on in the fight? In other words, how much is just doing your rotation (be it single target or AoE) and how much do you actually use your utility abilities, like stuns, interrupts, CC, etc? Do you get a lot of opportunities to make the most of your class, or does it mostly boil down to how well you can DPS?

[@WilliamRexen]

This video is extremely accurate. Having been someone who also clocked hundreds on hundreds of hours on legion testing specs for dps, i could not agree more. some specs i had special emotional attachments to their success (survival, arms/fury, outlaw), i fell in love with enh, monk, and frost/unholy. Ended up ultimately spending way more time then i ever expected on frost. Spot on over all. Exactly my opinion. Well don Preacher

[@dhelo9583]

i rly appreciate the work u put in this video, helped me out alot since i stopped playing wow after 6 months of hfc and i'm now trying to find a proper class. i was wondering, does ur review include the legandary items and all the perks or is it the just the raw class gameplay. also, what do u think about the tier sets in regards to gameplay changes ?

[@camilamoesia870]

Preacher, is the healer comparison coming soon? Wanted to know your thoughts about it :)

[@volrag]

I remember when i first started playing unholy DK on the beta, i read through the castigator talent and thought it was boring. God i was wrong, it's so good since each component of scourge strike can crit individually, so it can pop up to 3 wounds at once. Really made festering wounds an interesting mechanic for me.

[@AGuy565]

It's like WoW developpers are just lowering the skill cap of classes for the third expansion in a row. What a surprising trend

[@envelopedangel7505]

PSA: Ret is actually VERY fun to play. People (Preach) have a tendency to get a wild hair about a certain class and let it cloud what they're really seeing. The spec flows

[@pontuslundgren2038]

Idk man. I've always loved my ret pally as an alt, ended up gearing it up most expansions. Was planning on going ret in legion, went on alpha/beta/ptr (all 3 yes) to try the retri, but.. yeah.. it's really really dull to play. Not only does it feel clunky as fuck but the talent tree blows, there's legit nothing interesting in there, at all. They had the opportunity to revamp the spec and give it new life, instead they gave it the smash window.. which has been a hated mechanic since forever. I'm so utterly disappointed that i almost lost my will to play Legion. Was really looking forward to retri, now? not so much.

[@Stone_Stronghold]

dude look up any video of ret right now, they get focused down and kited in legion by DK's, numbers wise at best we are lower middle pack, which you would think would be better if blizzard actually followed through their stated design plan, we have zero mobility, close zero to utility greater blessings is some of the worset designed shit i have ever seen in the game and to top it off to bring it back to damage, even with the recent nerfs tanks are still beating rets in single target damage we have no aoe so our "best" damage type is beat by tanks, no ones is going to bring a ret to a raid over any other melee and in PvP we are only ever going to see ret in gimmick comps. Retribution is easily one of the worst designed specs in legion, seriously feels like they put no effort into it what so ever.

[@envelopedangel7505]

Yeah I don't know what to tell you. The AOE talent setup for Ret is BONKERS. The best AOE ive done on a toon in a long time. Very satisfying.

[@ThePessimissed]

"Arms Warriors are the kings of execute." Um no, that would be Fury Warriors.

[@inferno46n2]

Will you be doing a caster/tanks/healing version of this as well?

[@warkoto4919]

no idea what hes talking about with the surv hunter, its actually really fun if not maybe too difficult to play effectively. Rogues feel great minus sub, only issue i have with outlaw spec is it can really fuck you or make you a god

[@SalvLav]

wut

[@dodoontherocks]

Those where the good old days 😭😭😭 still remember it as if it was yesterday. Thank you legion for all the good memories. Gaming will never be the same 😟

[@rickysweatman7194]

@preachgaming are we gonna get a caster version of this video anytime soon ?