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[@joseroshe1059]

12:00 The US is supporting Saudia Arabia's war/proxy war in Yemen. If the argument is that it's because the US is supporting Israel, it just doesn't hold up. Where are all the protests against the Yemen war?

[@michaelkulman7095]

Good point, it's not even close to being a cause celeb. People will say but they aren't a liberal democracy as if that's some kind of argument. Our participation is similar though either way. It's a strange argument. Is it really an argument or just a cloak?

[@mohamedgoldstein5565]

Nice to see you again Glenn!

[@deathbysloth]

Good to see the gentlemen back together again!

[@richardfeit8296]

Glad you are feeling well Glenn. Need your sober take on things.

[@py_a_thon]

He is very much possibly not sober right there. He is cognitively rational tho. Maybe he should not use heavy machinery. That is his choice. (Ad Hominem or meaningful statement? Your choice.) Why do people say logic inversion is racial ethno supremacy? Idk... Logic is logic. Real is real. Power is power.

[@Banana04218]

Glenn! Wonderful to see you. Lots of love to you and John. I'm excited to watch this.

[@laurelsternberg5861]

Wow, Glenn. Glad you made it through that challenging ordeal with your wit and humor intact. God bless you.

[@caedrewan]

very happy to see Glenn back - I hope your recovery continues smoothly!

[@holtblvd]

The dynamic duo is back

[@sunnyla2835]

Yaaay! The Dynamic Duo together again for their epic discussions. So glad to see you healthy and well, prof Loury 💖

[@robd9026]

Glad you're back!

[@achipinthesugar]

Great to see Glenn back in business. Legend.

[@mjm5081]

As always, thank you Gentlemen! Glenn, so glad you're back and feeling better. Wishing you a full, speedy recovery. Also, congrats on the new book! And blessings to Peter for taking such good care of you 🙏

[@steeltrap3800]

It's a great privilege and pleasure to be allowed to watch and listen to the two of you discussing anything. Thanks so much for sharing it. Prof Glenn, it's great to see you're back as your back has improved. Cheers from Aus.

[@Tamara-qd5dc]

The issue goes well beyond anti-Jewish wave on campuses. These students seriously believe that by giving what is now Israeli land to Palestinians they are going to free the entire world.

[@geekylove3603]

Sir. You sound like a barn animal.

[@concilium1]

“The issue is not the issue. The issue is the revolution.”

[@africkinamerican]

"What is now Israeli land" -- you mean land Israel stole and is stealing while brutalizing and ethnically cleansing the inhabitants in a way that has never been done to Jews since WWII?

[@boatbutch]

The irony is if Israel disappeared tmrw the region would probably kick off WWIII. Palestinian civil war cascading into Sunni vs Shia into the powers backing them.

[@aidananstey9848]

@@concilium1 "the issue is never the issue, the issue is always the revolution" - James Lindsey

[@MikeTheD]

Appreciate it, as always, gentlemen. I'm largely in agreement, so these conversations help to crystallize my thoughts without much effort, from men I respect and trust who have given it great thought.

[@CPAdayz]

Love these guys

[@shokuchideirdrecarrigan7402]

The “protestors” performed “haters hating” with egregious arrogance and supreme self-righteousness. If these folks cared about Gazans they would be there feeding them, rescuing them from the rubble. Instead they set up summer camp on the lawn and demanded to be fed. Oh yes, I think they also had a creative dance performance and art projects and practiced their chanting. So cute!

[@RandiNarkevic-u5o]

No one is allowed to enter or leave Gaza

[@KenTheWise]

If these students don't like how the universities are structuring their investments, then they need to transfer to one they agree with. They should have done their due diligence and evaluated these universities before applying. They are entering a pre-existing structure, and demanding that it changes to suit their desires, sounds like colonialism to me...

[@robe4314]

Bravo. This comment wins.

[@concilium1]

…and every other ideas associated with “whiteness”.

[@danjones9589]

That's clever

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

The thing is, these lemmings didn't even know what they were supposed to be offended by until they were told by the media/tik tok that it became the current thing. They are sheep.

[@BigHomieSteveTheMetalHead]

The thing is, these lemmings didn't even know what they were supposed to be offended by until they were told by the media/tik tok that it became the current thing to be outraged about.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Great episode! Good to have you back Prof Loury, I prayed that you surgery goes well and God answered.

[@acbower4468]

If students want to protest, that’s fine…however, it seems most students don’t have the civil wherewithal to articulate why they are even protesting…they don’t like the way a war looks is pretty much the sum total of what they got

[@dandylion188]

Exactly. Optics are the only thing many (young) people are concerned with.

[@harshca1]

Hell yeah, the man is back! Great to see Glenn

[@sunnyla2835]

Be well, Beautiful Glenn💖 💐And, yes, John did a stellar job in guest hosting. We’re grateful for that, and for your return💟 And, yes, Tyler and Clifton both awesome and immensely interesting guests🙏❣️

[@garretboyer458]

"The anti-semitic aspect made it awkward". I wonder if black students were being berrated, harassed and discriminated against by protesters, would these guys have a similar attitude?

[@PuletuaWilson]

GOD BLESS you professor educate us all about hard times our country faces, best wishes and health to you both.

[@tmcleodjr]

I'm praying for you, Glenn.

[@wiredawg1]

Glen, I'm glad your back and doing well post-surgery!

[@listenup455]

I value and respect you both so much I hesitate to rush to criticism when I find a point of disagreement, but I would challenge the assertion that ending the war now without the IDF going all the way into Rafah and utterly destroying Hamas's ability to rule Gaza doesn't necessarily lead to less loss of Palestinian lives. In the very near term, a ceasefire certainly would lower the looming death toll. On a longer time horizon, however, leaving Hamas to retake Gaza seems to me very unlikely to be good for the Palestinians in any way shape or form, and will inevitably lead to another major military confrontation. I could of course be wrong, but I believe that's the broad consensus of much of the Israeli leadership (and people), and I happen to believe it's right.

[@mannmusica]

You sir are correct. But there are thousands of other Muslim terrorist groups. Hamas is just one of them. Something this planet will learn the hard way very soon

[@matty922117]

So glad to see Professor Loury back on the show and looking healthy. What an absolute UNIT of a man!

[@acetufu9449]

John, the damages caused is less of an issue. The truth is why did that act happened? You need to truly answer that question yourself. I think you are smart enough to truly answer that question, then stand firm on it independent of the consequences.

[@YT2024Hayward]

It’s good to see you both. Best regards from East Bay (SFBA).

[@plyboard9]

Love listening to you both! This podcast is truly special - no posturing or politicking, but genuine friendship and real dialogue. You help me think and reason through these difficult subjects. Kudos and respect!

[@mikem4984]

So good to see you back, Glenn!

[@AstralAquarium]

Glad to see Glenn back! I love listening to you two.

[@PuletuaWilson]

Great job guys continue your honest discussion on knowledgeable issues of our time.

[@ryanparker8760]

Glenn I really hope you are feeling better

[@wrlord]

Glenn is one of the great minds of our time. He continues to disappoint me with his persistent failure to educate himself with regard to Israeli history and the current situation. I actually do expect better of him.

[@xDonJuanx]

What would knowing "the history" change?

[@kap925]

The issue to me is that Glenn seems to be driven by emotion as opposed to logic and reason on this issue. This is both surprising and disappointing. What I had always appreciated about Glenn was that he (IMHO) has generally been a "facts over feelings" type of guy, sadly, not here.

[@shamsam4]

Glad you're on the mend.

[@LMarkWeeks]

Congratulations on the book being published, Glenn!

[@PLdemorygray]

What an amazing discussion. A few days ago I watched the short that featured John's discussion of his John Cage dilemma. Hearing what he said made me cry then, and it made my tears flow again today. You two are treasures.

[@kouthao7581]

Good to see you back Glen. John thanks for what you do.

[@jonnash5196]

The discussion about Gaza didn't touch on how barbaric the attack by Hamas was or how they said they would do it again as soon as they could . It didn't mention that Hamas has lied about the number of dead and how they have used the civilians in Gaza as human shields . The discussion didn't touch on the fact that Hamas could surrender to Israel and give the hostages back and stop the war . It wasnt mentioned that over many years Hamas has taken millions of dollars of aid money and spent it on tunnels and weapons .etc etc

[@OhGibZ]

They actually did.

[@anthonyg24]

Maybe listen to the episode before you start chastising people for not sharing your fanatical view

[@jonnash5196]

Omg that's not a fanatical viewpoint Those are facts If a group like Hamas had done that to the US how do you think the US would have responded ? How many civilians died in Iraq from the boycott by the US and our invasion of Iraq ? This kind of urban warfare does result in a lot of civilian casualties but Israel is taking steps to minimize civilian deaths

[@OhGibZ]

@@jonnash5196 Israel is not taking steps to minimize deaths. They are consistently grabbing more land in West Bank. They disrespectfully rebuke US at every opportunity. They have taken this way to far. If they want to continue, that's another conversation, but insisting the US continue along with them is ridiculous.

[@anthonyg24]

@@jonnash5196 Are you touting the Iraq War as a success? As a justification of Israel's response? The Iraq war? Absolute cognitive dissonance

[@robe4314]

Glenn, it sounds like your issue is with Hamas and not Israel. Perhaps they should release the hostages and stop telling civilians to stay put when Israel repeatedly warns of incoming attacks.

[@geekylove3603]

Gaslighter.

[@carlosgaspar8447]

certain groups take prisoners that were involved in combat; others take hostages.

[@SashaUK-tl9nl]

@@carlosgaspar8447What a complete lie. Which army has EVER taken babies hostage? No army - only subhuman terrorists do that.

[@WhizzingFish12]

​@@geekylove3603 The statement is factually accurate, so how is it gaslighting?

[@africkinamerican]

The hasbara never ends.

[@AjaxDGonzo]

Just got my copy of Late Admissions in yesterday, first book I’ve ever preordered. We love you Glenn, and we’re happy to see you. Thank you.

[@agmvcc]

US involvement aside, John and Glenn, what do you suggest that Israel do under the circumstances?

[@pennyadrian7774]

They want Israel to lay down and play dead like good little Jews. No other country in the world except the Jewish state would be condemned for defending themselves against a genocidal death cult. As Dara Horn wrote "People Love Dead Jews". It's a great book which I highly recommend.

[@OhGibZ]

US should step aside. That would help clarify Israel's choices.

[@africkinamerican]

iDK... Stop committing genocide, stop the war crimes, end the illegal occupation that nearly the entire world condemns?

[@michelelocker3691]

everyone has something to say, but no one has a plan.

[@OhGibZ]

@michelelocker3691 The plan (and action) for the US is to stop funding, arming, and defending (including diplomatic defense) Israel.

[@bencharles311]

It is great to see you back Mr Loury. I hope you recovery continues at a pace. Warm regards from merry old England sir.

[@samiamgreeneggsandham7587]

Has Hamas surrendered unconditionally? Has the population submitted to a program of de-radicalisation? In WW2, the allies demanded unconditional surrender of Germany. Germany did not give it, and then suffered total conquest. A de-radicalisation program (I.e., de-Nazification) was then imposed. Why is Israel not allowed to do the same to Gaza?

[@EdoKwin]

Because we don't have the stomach for harsh realities in 2024.

[@lesweizman388]

not just gaza....the entire pa

[@Rabbithole8]

The same was true with Japan.

[@TheMwegasShow]

Because Israel and the west are the agressors. Also this is not war.. This is colonization. Now, I remember a few decades ago when my country was under British colonialism...there were people who thought like you. Yet the people fought on and today we have a semblance of autonomy and freedom

[@lpadron13]

"Deradicalization"? Believing you have a right to the land your people have been in for hundreds of years is "radical"? Because that's what Israel's definition is.

[@jruss609]

Welcome back, Glenn! Best of luck with the rest of your recovery.

[@izzykhach]

My problem with the argument that Israel should know better or resentment at the US funding Israel is that a lot of these protesters believe that Israel should be dismantled. They've taken it to a whole other level.

[@OhGibZ]

How do you argue with the folk who just want the US to stay out of it? US Congress seems extremely compromised.

[@izzykhach]

@@OhGibZ I'm fine with isolationism and non-interventionism

[@TheMwegasShow]

Well, if they believe that Israel is doing evil things, it is not far out of reach that they would want it dismantled.

[@izzykhach]

@@TheMwegasShow so then those people shouldn't pretend they're holding Israel to a higher standard because it is a western country. They're basically saying that Israel is as bad if not worse than what is going on in Syria, Yemen, Sudan or Iran. I think that it is an intellectually dishonest opinion to have but at least let them say it.

[@TheMwegasShow]

@@izzykhach I can see that. It is a nation's army with foreign backing terrorizing people. Ofcourse the nation will use what it can including labeling those who oppose it as terrorists. People also pretend that everything started October 7th. They also call it a war... A war is what Russia and Ukraine is currently engaged in. Two nations duking it out... I have heard a quote that I like (I do not know its origin) 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'.

[@ericpeterson5935]

Glenn, I consider you one of the great thinkers of our time. I will pray for your recovery. And I look forward to reading your latest book. All my best!

[@ggusta1]

Great to see you both back on. Best of health to you all

[@ConshisKreetchurs]

So happy to see that smile on your face Glen:) Hope you start feeling better soon sir. Lots of love.

[@DavidHenry-bn6jk]

Love these men.

[@davidbardsley7760]

You look and sound well @GlennLouryShow. I'm so glad you're up and about, and it's great to hear your perspective again.

[@theshrubberer]

so glad to see you back Glenn. Fellow back surgery veteran here.

[@roberthumphreys7977]

Great to see you back and in form, Glenn. John, few people read with comprehension these days, so writing with clarity does not help much. Most people are good for 140 characters. 280 is a stretch. More is hopeless.

[@gnqan00]

It’s interesting how no one talks about the full history of Israel and Palestine. It’s a 70 year dispute but ppl only focus on what has happened since the 2000’s. Rarely do you hear discussion of how all this turmoil came about. No one can be in a 70 year dispute and have done nothing wrong.

[@vibesverily]

glenns audience is surprisingly uniform in its subservience to a foreign nation that routinely subverts american interests towards their own ends. ironically they probably also heavily overlap with that population of people that would most readily and loudly proclaim themselves to be a "patriot"

[@danepaulstewart8464]

Children. Teenagers, who know nothing more than typical sheltered teenagers know. Why are they being taken as seriously as experienced, educated adults? It’s a fools errand..

[@vibesverily]

lol

[@danchiappe]

I love these guys!

[@Pachemz]

So GREAT!

[@mikebalis9963]

Glenn, glad you are back.

[@agsmith001]

you guys for President!

[@brian782]

This show is excellent

[@johnblake8555]

I love honest discussion and you two usually are great exponents, but this time the most honest part of this was the book plug. Glad to see Glen back, and yes you do look well. I hope the results are everything that you hope for.

[@mom663]

WELCOME BACK!🥳❤️

[@SashaUK-tl9nl]

“The students outrage makes total sense” - only if you don’t know anything about the truth of this conflict which, sadly, neither of you do.

[@michelelocker3691]

yup. I was cringing the entire time.

[@1Deep43VA]

The reality is, YOU TWO, don’t have a SINGLE clue as to the history of this conflict. If you did, you’d never have wrote this.

[@michelelocker3691]

@@1Deep43VA ha ha, really? Let me help you.... Palestinians/Hamas want all the Jews dead. Jews are not interested in a compromise. The end.

[@vibesverily]

​@@1Deep43VA im not conservative but i actually like loury (specifically, mcwhorter is an insufferable dullard). that said, i keep tabs on some other conservatives and this is the most rabidly proisrael audience ive come across. which, you know, shouldnt be that surprising i guess, but its a shame because i think loury is a unique political voice that at least deserves an intellectually stimulating audience if nothing else... but such is life anyways, as you say, the commenters here are completely brainwashed. the speed and ease with which they deploy israels obviously absurd propaganda talking points is kind of incredible for a group of people that presumably think of themselves as discerning consumers of political content. i found one sane person though, so hey, not all hope is lost

[@joanr3189]

Miss seeing you two, talking about current events. Keep well, keep modeling civilized conversation.

[@Readabookfoofoo]

The UN reduced by half the number of Gaza’s civilian collateral casualties. Strange genocide

[@geekylove3603]

People are dying unnecessarily. You would feel that as you're a childless, unemployed, uneducated ghoul.

[@Ninoblack88]

This is a lie. Don't be stupid and fall for nonsense.

[@swansonz3534]

@@Ninoblack88 lol

[@TheCruxy]

The number of confirmed deaths is half the number of reported deaths, very standard

[@deborahfreedman333]

The numbers are still fabricated. But, too many people pointed out their impossibility, and the fact that dead combatants were falsely labeled as civilians, so had to be revised.

[@JR-bj3uf]

I think there is a performative/cosplay aspect to this entire process. These students are playing 'revolution make-believe.

[@vibesverily]

the project of "israel" since its inception has been nothing BUT cosplay. hertzl wasnt even a religious jew, but he and the other founding zionists intentionally founded israel based on a religious claim because of its performative value god glens audience is the most brainwashed collection of turds ive ever come across

[@thomascreeley867]

Great to hear you both together again. Glenn, best wishes for swift healing and feeling well again. John, I enjoyed your recent piece on apostrophes though I am one too easily provoked to fury when changes to Standard English are proposed.

[@rustincole_w1339]

Love ya and appreciate ya Glenn

[@gbernardwandel4174]

Welcomeback Glenn! I hope you continue to mend

[@RunBayou]

Bro I've been waaaaiting for this

[@ibikunlebalogun8473]

good 2 have you 2 back !

[@danconnell4723]

As a parent of a University of Michigan student who graduated this year I found myself thrust into some of the madness. As a family we were worried that there might not be a Graduation ceremony and that the same students who didn't have a high school graduation would yet again be left feeling cheated. At the University of Michigan the protestors were not only demanding immediate divestment they were also demanding that the University abolish the Campus Police Department and cut ties with all surrounding Police agencies. These same demands were made in 2023 by the Graduate Instructors Organization when they went on strike demanding higher wages. Its Laughable at best. At one point the protesters at the U of M encampment were seeking donations for "food and supplies". Due to overwhelming support of their efforts they found themselves with excess funds and tweeted out that they no longer needed donations but put a link to a non profit to help those struggling in Gaza. I don't think I have any words for that one.

[@vibesverily]

you mean because you and the kinds of crooks you support wouldve just kept taking donations and pocketed what you didnt need? 🤡

[@michellemartinezjunco5144]

I already bought your book! ❤️👏🏼Glad you’re back! These people were paid and organized by the rich! 🤦🏼‍♀️🤷🏼‍♀️ John, I love how you were sensitive to the Jewish students, I feel almost wrong sharing you because I’m white! I am retired Air Force, and retired Teacher! I saw a black man walk through the VA hospital with a BLM t-shirt on! I felt so sad! He’s my military brother and hates whites! As a teacher I was in the Union but voted Republican! What the union did to students, because I’ve only taught at, at risk elementary schools, was horrible! Great show!

[@kathybrocato5148]

It would be wonderful if one of you would be President and the other VP. Either way would work for me. Best wishes to both of you.

[@ronnieprettyman4818]

Hope your well Glenn stay true to the truth

[@EdoKwin]

I'm glad they shouted out the debate with Coleman Hughes and Bob Wright, but I'm afraid John and Glenn are terminally mistaken in their take on Israel-Palestine. Besides the fact that eliminating Hamas is a non-negotiable, there are still hostages to rescue. People constantly cry for "ceasefires" and "peace." Yet we can't have true, lasting peace eithout attending to justice. I'll close this Glenn Show episode and go to Nonzero instead.

[@OhGibZ]

Non-negotiable for Israel, but negotiable for USA. US is not obligated to share Israel's opinions/evaluations.

[@michelelocker3691]

@@OhGibZ But Israel is the ONLY country we're giving aid to where we're sticking our nose into what and how they're prosecuting the war.

[@TheMwegasShow]

Wow! I bet sometimes in the 90's if we had the internet you would have wrote 'Eliminating the African National Congress is a non negotiable.' And I bet the apartheid regime would have liked and shared your post/ comment. Better yet, you would have posted 'Eliminating the Mau Mau is a non negotiable' and the British Colonial Government in East Africa would have liked and reshared your post. Congratulations.

[@stanzavik]

45:52 -- Glenn ensuring that he STAYS a customer of the American healthcare system

[@olympiashorts]

I think the students' efforts would be more effective if directed to protesting at the offices of their political representatives. Of course that is inconvenient and further from their dorms. What real power do universities have in steering national policy?

[@williambranch4283]

1965-1975 was completely spontaneous ;-) Same thing today ;-(

[@raymoose8568]

We are so accustomed to conducting half ass wars. Beginning with Truman pulling back Gen. McArthur in Korea. What if those WW2 Generals would have gone half ass? Just a thought! I hate war!! At the same time I hate cowardly bullies.

[@therealtoni]

How about the issue, rather than yourselves?

[@KikoCervantes]

Welcome back!

[@CaptainLightning1]

Oh, and one more thing: I was at Rutgers when John was there, lived in the same dorm and had some of the same friends. He may recall that Rutgers was the first school where student protesters forced the issue of divestment from Apartheid South Africa to be debated. I don't remember if John was involved with the he protests but the students did take over part of a building, ridiculously, the Student Center. President Bloustein's response was to laugh and say that it was our building. What actually got the boards, (Rutgers has two), to divest was that the protest caught the attantion if the Assembly Majority leader who was black and he brought pressure as only a state legisltor can to a state university.

[@meshgraphics]

Get well Glenn

[@jdogsupreme]

Get better Glenn!

[@scottgotreaux7235]

How about we are here to learn. One part of being a grown up is not letting things from the outside world dominate you. This is a lesson on focus.

[@vibesverily]

sure, whatever makes you feel better grandpa

[@Stevanavich725]

Hopefully John’s protest chant doesn’t get clipped out of context.

[@psychonautseventen2249]

My favorite black guys!

[@kaboom146]

The token jews at the protests were just that: tokens.

[@dandybufo9664]

Just as there were jewish collaborators during the Holocaust.

[@vibesverily]

the majority of american jews support palestine

[@Time_Is_Left]

Just heard John on NPR re language. Changing terms can accomplish what it is meant to do. Example: too often, trafficked and abused children are referred to as underage, specifically underage women. Call them girls and boys. They are children. Another: Calling their abuse, sex. It isn’t sex. It’s rape. These changes are changing how we see these violent predators

[@jacoboblanco1555]

Ordered the book. Listened to the Freakonomics interview and I had to order the book.

[@mariannorton4161]

I'm so sorry to hear you are in such pain. Try type II collagen suplements, they can really help. Best always and thank you both.

[@TerryMcKennaFineArt]

Can you folks discuss the Roger Forston killling? I say this as an outsider, and old middle class white guy who grew up in suburbia and who rarely saw police.

[@MosEisleySpacePort1138]

The message of the protesters is muddled because many, if not most, are calling for the dismantling of Israel while others are just simply protesting the war. These are two completely different intentions, which makes this feel more like Occupy Wall Street than the singular messaging against South African Apartheid or Vietnam War.

[@mariannorton4161]

Most "thinking" people do agree with you, the problem is the number of idiots who are a direct result of what's become a worthless education system is overwhelming at times. Experience once was the best teacher, but there are so few real experiences anymore. This will be our common experience. I remember the riots of the 60s and 70s, many of them were just an opportunity to be asshats, same is true today. I'm grateful for the student protests, and for the two of you.

[@kaboom146]

I suggest you read Eitan Hersh's research about the experience of Jewish kids on campus this year. Then you will know, Glenn Loury, that the vast majority of Jewish students were deeply affected in a bad way.

[@marcdoutherd3424]

The vast majority of Palestinian children know someone whose entire family's been killed since the Israeli government started indiscriminately bombing Gaza.

[@SamuraiNinjaHonor]

Agree. I was very surprised to hear Glenn’s callous response to the empathy John showed his students. Glenn, you definitely need to read up on what was happening to Jewish students on campus.

[@lcraver4797]

Great episode and am very glad to have Glenn back. Thought John did a very good job talking about his former office - and no question I am completely fed up with the occupations (including the one at my alma mater). As a Canadian I don't have the view on race that you two do but am understanding better even though by our country's standards much of it would be "out there" (hint: Justin Trudeau presents as ultra-woke but that is not the national view) Anyhow, any excellent session and am very VERY glad to see Glenn up and about with far less angst about his hospital experience than I expected. You two are an important part of my weekly listening.

[@Lakelife67]

How would you both respond to what Hamas - terrorists- did on Oct 7 and continues to threaten to do ??