The $50,000 beer: why very attractive women aren't on dating apps

[@psychacks]

This is the second part in my three-part series on why successful men use escorts. There is a reason very beautiful women aren't on dating apps. Much like very successful men, exceptionally beautiful men are priced out of the sexual marketplace as traditional dating becomes increasingly expensive for them. The $50,000 beer exemplifies how opportunity cost can influence behavior among these populations to a greater extent than can intrinsic personality factors. Differences between scarcity and abundance mentality are also discussed. Pre-order my book: amzn.to/3UlsTsY Book a paid consultation: oriontarabanpsyd.com/consultations Subscribe to my newsletter: oriontarabanpsyd.com Social Media Facebook: facebook.com/profile.php?id=100090053889622 LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/orion-taraban-070b45168/ Instagram: instagram.com/psyc.hacks Twitter: twitter.com/oriontaraban Website: oriontarabanpsyd.com Orion's Theme: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaO7c62HZ613e7M Thinking of going to grad school? Check out STELLAR, my top-rated GRE self-study program based on the world's only empirically-validated test prep system. Use the code "PSYCH" for 10% off all membership plans: stellargre.com. Become a Stellar affiliate and earn a 10% commission for every membership purchased by a new student you conduct into the program: stellargre.tapfiliate.com. GRE Bites: www.youtube.com/@grebites4993 Become a Psychonaut and join PsycHack's member community: kzbin.info/door/SduXBjCHkLoo_y9ss2xzXwjoin Sound mixing/editing by: valntinomusic.com Presented by Orion Taraban, Psy.D. PsycHacks provides viewers with a brief, thought-provoking video several days a week on a variety of psychological topics, inspired by his clinical practice. The intention is for the core idea contained within each video to inspire viewers to see something about themselves or their world in a slightly different light. The ultimate mission of the channel is to reduce the amount of unnecessary suffering in the world. #psychology #dating #relationship

[@JoseChung21]

This truly requires a 10 hour podcast to completely flesh out. Perhaps an economic argument can be made to legalize this taboo profession not only with respect to its impact on GDP but also it's ability to be taxed to fund projects and spending for public good.

[@kungfujoe2136]

allso why sattel for an Amateur when you can have a pro

[@ll6216]

@@psychacks where's the citations?

[@KS-ij2oz]

This video seems anti-relationship and very cynical about both sexes. What about emotional connection, respect, friendship, intimacy, partnership, support, companionship? I have learned a lot from watching you, but this one really bothers me. I am a 59 year old very attractive (no plastic surgery or filler 😅) woman, a high value women most would say, and I don’t sleep with a guy until I get to know him. You are basically saying that all men only date for sex. I don’t think it’s true but if it was, it would be very depressing. I was on a date last night with a man (55) who is extremely sexy, smart, attractive, successful. We have another date scheduled. He was nothing but a gentleman. He is a father of daughters and is very protective of women. To me it was perfect and he expressed that he had a great time and is excited to get together again, despite no sex (yet). Is he an anomaly?

[@ZackLongdick]

I have fallen in love with 19th century women!... I can't help it, I find such comfort and beauty in them! Such sweet little muffins 😊! But what can I do? For they're All Dead and gone. The most that I can do is read history books, watch documentaries, visit the various cemeteries, go to historical locations, ect. I think about them constantly!... I wish to call it love. But at the highest, it's probably nothing more than a high admiration. Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I could have lived in her time! To be around her sweetness. Her mannerisms, vocal tonality, dress styles, the complicated hairstyles,.... Oh! just everything about her! I love 19th century women! I will be constantly studying them... For there is nothing else... Oh God! I was born in the wrong time period 🥺.... Well,... I'll just make my money, study my dearly beloved favorite ladies, and use modern-day females for sex. I really don't care for the modern-day female. But I don't hate her. I'm just in love with 19th century women! I have no hatred in me. I guess you can say that I am.... A blue pill guy in the red pill section. Or... Maybe purple pill. I don't know. I'm just so happy for 19th century women! I'm hoping that this is love 💕. I'm not sure. I don't think it's coping. Otherwise, why do I get a complete Joy reading about the old time ladies? It's hard to explain. But yes, I'll just hook up with the modern-day female. I'm not waiting for things to change. I just wish that I could time travel. I know, the 19th century was not all peaches and cream. It was tough! What does a man, I would have to test myself in that time period! Men been taken risks for thousands of years! Why stop now? And that time period, I might die within 5 months, tops. But at least I got to live through the time period that I wish to live in. Ain't got to be surrounded by 19th century women! Oh dearly beloved! How I wish I was with you! The best that I could do, is read history books, watch documentaries, stand in the places that they stood, make my money, and hook up with the modern-day female. I will be alternating through these three until I pass.... Good luck out there gentleman! Cheers! ♥️💙💜🎩

[@josephoduor2358]

"Women, if you make men wait, you will end up with the men with time on their hands."

[@InsipidRoustabout]

4:14

[@roberthawkins3106]

Best quote

[@hurrikane1449]

Will go over 95% of their heads lol

[@kargs5krun]

Logical women, albeit the few, understand this quote already. And ironically, so do the few(?) who don't care. Because they have a different agenda in mind for what to do to with "time on their hands " situations.

[@NeverSarcasticMan]

Retired wealthy men?

[@joaomaria2398]

"Why very attractive women aren't on dating apps?" Because they are on Instagram! LMAO

[@ArmyWolves]

💥 and on Instagram they have KZbin celebrities, successful men, talent scouts etc all sliding into their DMs. . .

[@jambajoby32]

😂

[@simontmn]

Sometimes they are on both. I met an Instagrammer on eHarmony.

[@your_royal_highness]

Or onlyfans

[@JonathanVachon777]

Right 😂

[@kenndavis8680]

"Always Cheaper for a man to stay single & always cheaper for a woman to stay in a relationship"... that was gloriously poetic & blew my mind. Simple yet elegant.

[@Kim-vw4nx]

Stop listening to these stupid analogies. Men live longer with spouses . Women die faster with spouses that’s hardly breaking even . Men get a maid , sex worker , therapist, baby sitter and an incubator what do we get some that can pay rent .

[@VladimirVladimirovich1952]

@@Kim-vw4nx Kim, think a little deeper sweetheart. We both know you’ve never changed your own engine oil. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt assuming you know how to change a tire.

[@rkkrkkrkkrkk]

Stay single

maybe do stuff that doesn't cost a lot of money, save a buck and save some dignity for a person that really matters - how sad

[@StanLoo-y5j]

​@@Kim-vw4nx s t fu. That study doesn't show divorced men. Divorced men who had everything taken away from them are far more likely to k!ll themselves because of their vindictive ex wife. Also single middle aged women are the biggest consumers of anti depressants. Just cuz happily married men live longer doesn't mean all married men do.

[@mystykalmn4434]

For Men is cheaper to be single and for women is cheaper to be in relationship

[@gregorylatta8159]

That is what I tell my wife 😆

[@mick776gold]

lol

[@PaulClark-l4h]

That sums it up so accurately!

[@melenico4512]

😂😂

[@rocstarang5747]

​@@gregorylatta8159same 😂

[@feralandroid]

Being single and not chasing women for the last 5 years after my divorce, I have saved more money then I thought possible. There is a huge price to being in any relationship with a woman.

[@rayrwyr]

How did you meet your zexual needs, assuming you have some?

[@bennettjohnson2631]

Sometimes you just gotta go without especially if you have standards at least I do

[@M0viLover]

@@rayrwyr Hit a s3x doll site, and buy a torso for 600 bucks.

[@JosephKelly-uj1zo]

I would have retired ten years earlier if I had learned that lesson earlier.

[@summmmmmable]

Same here! Dating scene for middle age man is just too expensive. I don’t need a woman beside me and boss me around and make my life miserable

[@tiomoidofangle102]

"Women make rules for Betas, and break rules for Alphas." -- Rollo Tomassi

[@ikevin127]

✅ Verified statement.

[@stevendavidson8733]

@@tiomoidofangle102 did he come up with that in high school? It sounds so high school to me.

[@Unhinged29]

@@stevendavidson8733 doesn't make it wrong though.

[@goazer2]

Yeah the issue most men have with women sleeping on the first date is that if you do it for the chads you should be doing it for the regular guys you're serious about. Because otherwise that's just stupid and unfair. However you shouldn't be sleeping with guys on the first date in the first place.

[@michaelmarchanda]

nailed

[@advaitchougule242]

Your thumbnails designer should get a raise!! I first discovered your channel because of your unique thumbnails. I always love your thumbnails. It looks like I'm going to read a novel

[@ATORI_ENZO]

Are they not AI generated? They are beautiful.

[@yuris6125]

They are Art Deco-inspired, I love them, too! 👍🏿

[@Bricecenturion974]

Same here, very interesting one !

[@2yoober]

Hear, hear! 😎

[@phoenixmonkee]

@@yuris6125 Indeed!! Love them as well!

[@revolutionaryhamburger]

The truth is the woman won't wait if she wants it. If she doesn't want it, she's not going to be worth the wait.

[@rmsfootball63]

@@revolutionaryhamburger BINGO!!! If you have to guess at all about the girl liking you, then you need to move on.

[@RecreationalUseOnly]

She wouldn’t make Chris Hemsworth wait.

[@jeffreycfmok]

Word. Women who actually want you wouldn't make you wait. She would be making herself wait... and what woman has that kind of discipline these days

[@redpilljesus]

She'll wait when she thinks it will secure her more investment.

[@Khan-rz8qi]

Yup, I’m not married, but the women who’ve given into me the fastest, ended up getting the most genuine and generous sides of me. Mainly because at that point you know she gave in cause she REALLY likes you, which increases your motivation to reciprocate more, at least for me. When you see them tilting towards making you “wait” you already know it’s BS and cause she sees other traits in you that can benefit her long term, not cause she views you in a very sexually desirable light. Because best believe, most women have slept quickly with a guy before, simply because of pure unadulterated attraction.(I would know, I’m a very attractive dude myself). Thats what most men want, that security of knowing she views you as number 1, that boost to your ego makes you wanna go all out! Especially when you pair this up with a woman that has a very kind soul and cheery personality.🙏💯💯

[@tallest-man6309]

I think there is a flaw in this analysis. If someone is dating for marriage and children, the escort certainly can’t solve this problem. I’d argue that even being with the escort some nights is going to reduce the man’s drive to find a “non escort” woman who might be wife and mother material. Thanks and love the content!! So what is a guy to do who is looking for a wife and not just sex?

[@lornayeo3303]

I vote this argument up! I’m also interested in this question…what do super busy guys who want to marry/have a family do? This talk only focuses on sex in the short term, but some rich men surely also want to have a family? Would they also consider the escort for this??

[@kennedyhair8434]

Dude, come on. You know the answer. Lol. Just go on normal dates. You're watching weird KZbin videos as an excuse to not use common sense. Dating advice on KZbin is only relevant to 1% of peoples lifestyles.

[@SunshineCalifornia]

@@kennedyhair8434 Spot on

[@4theloveoffashion959]

He’s not promoting escorts. He’s bringing clarity to reality. Blue pilled beta males are not ready to accept that. They want the fantasy. Biologically all we’re here to do is have sex and reproduce anything more than that is your desire to be in the matrix. Like he said romance is a guy thing so to answer your question if you still wanna be a blue pill beta male hopeless romantic that falls for the fake Disney World fairytale, then sign a prenup, cross your fingers and pray for the best and always remember that when it’s time for divorce It’s always two against one her and the government against you and nine times out of ten you’ll never win. Your kids will also be against you too, depending on how far she wants to take it. Most men are not honest with themselves and that’s the problem. lack of self-awareness.

[@jaeaur]

If a man is dating for marriage and children in USA or Canada, he's not an intelligent person.

[@1989Mordwin]

I have always found it baffling, that so many women have the attitude of wanting to be appreciated for their personality instead of their body, while at the same time being so entitled that they feel they don't have to sell their personality.

[@redpilljesus]

A woman who likes you will talk you into her. Literally.

[@ThomasFaller]

And at the same time, being obsessed with their looks, clothes, hair, makeup, etc.

[@mediocreman2]

And they want you to be attracted to their body and they dress in such ways to garner attention to their bodies. But heaven forbid you express that you're attracted to their bodies.

[@jacquelinee1220]

We appreciate compliments on our bodies and our personality. I think a woman should be excited to know that the man she is with or dating finds her sexually attractive but for most conventionally attractive women, they hear it very often, it doesn't impress them. Also, alot of women assume men's standards for sex is lower, so the compliment means nothing. Perhaps they only get annoyed if they're not attracted to the guy making the compliment.

[@VaronPlateando]

good point. seeing through them renders personality irrelevant anyway. if even moderately ‚appealing‘ (while faked up) xx.s have bd.cnt >> 10(0). there‘s abundance in zombies with prospect on rel.ship.wreackages around. and those 9..10s in escort mode | as likely alpha widows are included here. be they gone wherevever, pass left (x). gents actually don’t have to settle for any xx.s at all, ever.

[@nicolecleric9405]

All the happiest relationships I know literally just met someone and clicked with them. It should be that simple. I think the problem is that most people of both genders are not prioritizing genuine connection. Everyone is so poisoned from online dating discourse that they can’t approach dating innocently and lose the ability to distinguish genuine affection from survival instinct. As a woman, my feed is always giving me “dating advice” and urging me to automatically reject any man that doesn’t automatically treat you like a prize just for existing. I never see anyone question, “do you even like him?” It’s just about what you can get out of them. The truth is when you approach dating like this people can sense how poisoned you are. It makes your personality and spirit unpleasant and unfeminine. I believe in traditional roles, but this always felt so dehumanizing and infantilizing to me. Its disrespectful to both the man and to ourselves. This is just an example, men have their own versions of this poisonous rhetoric. We’re all being spiritually poisoned and broken down for the same reasons.

[@Lex_Lugar]

Great comment. Can’t believe any women bother with this content and I like a lot of his stuff but this just feeds angry men online

[@nicolecleric9405]

@@Lex_Lugari get recommended his page a lot and sometimes lurk, I’m really curious about this stuff

[@renardbennett75]

This is a GREAT take! You said that so much better than I could have. Human connection isn’t a commodity to be traded in an open market.

[@carlospita6442]

Treat you like a prize but the men you're going out with is probably talker, stronger and makes more money than you, so if he's better than you on must aspects how're you a prize ?

[@csmith9699]

​@@renardbennett75 Yes...meet partners in the real world, not much different from meeting friends. Connection can't be overstated imo. It seems that's of no interest for the most part on this channel

[@sergiolozano700]

Thanks!

[@FloridaManConstruction]

“I didn’t pay them for sex, I paid them to leave” -Charlie Sheen

[@peaceonearth8693]

Wasn't he the king dork though?

[@gregorylatta8159]

With HIV.

[@MrBendacorna]

@@peaceonearth8693 what’s your point?

[@MrBendacorna]

@@gregorylatta8159your point?

[@peaceonearth8693]

@@MrBendacorna The point is that if someone is a fool, then their 'wisdom' is worthless. What C.S. said, sounds like him bragging that he was so in demand that he had to fight women off. Which would put himself as so much better than regular guys. Someone with that attitude is a dork, imho.

[@BodyByBenSLC]

Women think if they have to make men wait so they will see her inner beauty. Problem is most women don't work on their inner beauty.

[@elinope4745]

Inner beauty is a requirement for outer beauty. Outer beauty requires discipline, it requires dieting and exercise, it requires regular maintenance of several body and hair care routines and requires this all be done while still young. It requires inner beauty to maintain outer beauty. The whole idea of beauty only being skin deep is just a dumb idea to help ugly people cope. The beautiful people have better personalities than they do but they don't want to admit it.

[@1989Mordwin]

@@elinope4745 Equating inner beauty to discipline is a cope. While discipline is a practical personality trait, it doesn't make some fun/interesting/pleasant to be on a date with...

[@roses6564]

True dat.

[@ArmyWolves]

The make-him-wait strategy works if 1. Hookup culture is not an option where the prospective man may not be swayed to go and get pleasure elsewhere 2. She has always maintained the same standard even in her past not not easily slept with men she dated

[@edwardduarte7393]

that's a great reply

[@schahrzadmorgan]

You completely understand! Great video.

[@tucobenedicto1780]

I think keeping sex work illegal has only helped married women. It gives men a much lessened chance of finding outlets for sexual relief. While making their wives the only (legal) game in town. It kills the sexual "supply," while the demand only grows & grows. If escorting became legal everywhere, then married women would lose their tactic of not putting out for their husbands, because he could find some tail easily elsewhere.

[@torachan23]

Bingo

[@elinope4745]

Keeping it illegal is oppressing women to help women. Older women are constantly doing that to younger ones.

[@BestInImpact]

It has helped all women.

[@2yoober]

Vegas, baby... VEGAS. 😎

[@kayc7442]

Unfortunately prostitution, like hard drug use, is detrimental to society and the community in general, but it is true that the main voices for criminalizing prostitution were house wives.

[@johannesdolch]

The most insulting thing is that you have a 30 year old who was easy when she was young and hot but now suddenly wants to be treated as a lady. No comment.

[@hurrikane1449]

Our dating market in a nutshell my friend

[@estuardo2985]

yep the ran through alpha widow who will treat the next man as second class at best wants an even higher value. Yep makes sense.

[@detroitvcw]

Automatic disqualifier. Most women nowadays, especially if she has kids. She's simply looking to funnel ALL the benefits out of a man, while she holds her bargaining chip

[@alexmuenster2102]

@@detroitvcw >>simply looking to cipher ALL the benefits out of a man

[@mAyaraisa5849]

@@johannesdolch I don’t get it? - If she was a hoe in her twenties she MUST stay a hoe for the rest of her life otherwise she’s a hypocrite ? - do you feel entitled to her body just because she had sex before ? Wouldn’t it be easier to just leave her alone? And isn’t this how women’s body count keep doubling in first place ? This reminds me of kids who sell flowers in the streets of poor countries, if you buy from one of them you’ll have to buy from the rest of them.

[@RoubenDO3]

I’m a high value man and I’ll tell you first hand paying for it is not fun. It takes all the joy of the hunt, finessing your skills, figuring out how to find a great woman who will be someone that will enrich your life. Women are a lot more than just a hole to stick your thing in. It’s sad that we have come to this as a species where all of the skills we have built as men to get women are now solved by a few dollars. Supposedly. Let’s not forget that the women that trade their bodies for money are highly skilled in stripping as much money from you as possible. And often come with men, who may rob you, scam you or end your life. If you let a certain side of the world into your life, he prepared for the consequences

[@schweinhund7966]

You are a rare experience on this site full of very jaded men! After nearly 34 years I am still happily married to my first and only wife! Marriage takes work. “It ain’t easy” but as long as both parties are committed to trying to make it work it is worth the effort. I think a lot of men have unrealistic approaches to finding a keeper wife. The host never mentions the consequences of paying for sex! Men get attached to a good woman too but who would marry a prostitute? Who wants to risk HIV? I found my wife as a neighbor. We spoke casually while washing cars and such… we had the ability to converse and laugh… similar ambitions but enough differences to give us “space.” She is the only woman who said she wanted to have kids with me and here we are 1.5 score later. So sad to see so many deeply jaded men out there. If my wife passed away I’d remarry if I found the correct “chemistry.”

[@nalianalianalia]

Exactly. One, the doctor is continually suggesting the only asset a woman can give to a man is sexual favors (in reality it is much more than that, like she can be a friend, a mother, a career advisor, a supporter, a kind critic, a muse, a motivator, a hair stylist, wardrobe stylist, cleaner, tax advisor, accountant, advisor of social cues and unwritten norms, a person who knows what a gift would suit for a specific occasion, etc.). And two, while counting cost of prostituting females, he doesn't take into account probability of STDs and ensuing costs of curing those, or emotional toll a MAN has to bear for using this option, or loss of self-esteem of a man, loss of reputation (and even contacts) at/with his mother, siblings and more conscious friends, sometimes also at his work, etc. Some things cannot be undone.

[@Muswera]

@@nalianalianalia The things you mentioned men can easily get that from other men. Men in general deal with women for sexual access. If you’re not offering that, we have zero interest being your friend or anything else you have to offer. You’re more likely to get an STD from a regular woman than a prostitute. A prostitute; you will wrap it up, but a woman you’re taking on dates,you will most likely hit raw 😊

[@iamyoda1980]

@@nalianalianaliathis.

[@WarpDoomer]

Needing skills to find a woman is something new (for most of history you'd get a more or less arranged marriage with a girl from the nearest town) while prostitution has been around for millennia. This comment you've written represents a situation that will only exist for a short glimpse in the history of humanity.

[@Juan_Olmos]

This "economics of relationships" mentality is so freaking harsh for us romantics, but sadly so REAL.

[@MVProfits]

Count on women, especially do called "good ones", to crush the dreamer out of you. Sad, but it is what it is. I'm a "half-Chad", and Ive been treated waaayyy better as a player, except for the infatuation period.

[@madslasher18]

Wayyyyyyuu better as a player by a long shot

[@lilbroomstick7914]

Honestly it’s freeing to hear. You no longer have to operate under this guise of love and romanticism, operating under the laws of economics and practicality is much more approachable

[@fallen546]

I agree, it's disappointing at first, but i've come to realize romance is for women. We create emotional experiences for them to make them feel good, which can feel fulfilling. Unfortunately it means the magic trick is ruined for you personally because you know how it's done.

[@onemillionpercent]

It's harsh for us romantics, we can just check out from this and talk to real, normal, well adjusted people (who also tend to be romantics)

[@krisjohnson2435]

Awesome video! Part 1 and part 2 are so on point. Can’t wait for part 3!!

[@MsLilflyer]

He makes a good point, forget about world-class beauties, even just a normal pretty girl with a very fit body will get hit on anywhere she goes, there could be a guy asking her out while she steps out for a cup of coffee. why would she need to use dating apps?

[@dobsok84]

Easy, because dating apps give wo.en access to men that they wouldnt just stumble across. Think going to a walmart vs browsing amazon. I knew 2x 19 year old girls that just browsed dating apps/DM'd on insta until they found a professional athlete to fuk. No way they would just stumble on them in real life.

[@Tie509]

That is mostly true. Lots of pickup artists who sell their dumb courses make the argument that attractive women get approached less because men are intimidated. They sell this argument as proof of their unparalleled wisdom. Reality is if you ask really attractive women, most will tell you they get hit on almost every single place they go to in public.

[@Diamondsandpearls.]

This is not true, many beautiful women dont never ever get approached.

[@delawarehistory1675]

If this is true- I never see it. I see tons of hot women who are flat out ignored now because men are done with it. Literally saw a hot woman try to pickup a guy at a gym. She'd chose a machine next to him and try to talk to him and he'd switch machines. It was great.

[@saylolcool]

I disagree! As the described women, this never happens to me, maybe a handful of times in my entire life. I also have very attractive friends and it doesn't happen to them either. Men have this false belief that women just get hit on everywhere we go... NOT TRUE! the location/proximity does matter tho as mentioned by another user

[@BaseRealityVR]

This Is why Men should never lead with money or take women on expensive dates. if she is annoyed about some coffee or walks in the contryside , bowling dates She is Not worth any investment Expecting expensive dates just to get to know someone is a HUGE RED FLAG

[@csmith9699]

@BaseRealityVR Why are so many of you guys paying for everything? Most women today have careers and can easily split costs with you and actually would want to. Maybe you haven't met those many women. Too bad. Also takes communication around the subject. I forgot...advice on this channel is basically not to talk to women much in a relationship. Whatever...

[@razzendahcuben]

Speak for yourself. You probably don't make much money, so the idea of spending 100-200 on a date is jaw-dropping to you. But for some men that's pocket change. Most women will r*pe you in divorce, if given the chance, regardless of what you make. The only way to mitigate that is a prenup, or don't get married at all (and never live with a woman) if a prenup doesn't seem safe enough to you.

[@csmith9699]

@razzendahcuben In state I live in is NO fault. 50/50 split

[@csmith9699]

@razzendahcuben A lot of men and women I know split cost of dates, dinners, trips, concerts...

[@Elisabetta.10980]

​@@csmith9699 Losers.

[@redtiger7268]

😂😂 Has the Dr talked to my mother? She is a 63 year old two time divorcee that is now saying she will not have sex before marriage

[@cic6002]

Well, I guess it’s over for her

[@mikey92362]

Well, technically she's right then.

[@ORflycaster]

How many cats?

[@melenico4512]

The issue for sex for women is that they know many men it's a driving force. So they believe that holding sex will land them a better catch. Many older women engage in this strategy.

[@MH-jp8en]

daaamn aha no man gonna marry her to get some of that old tuna

[@MiamiBeachMatters]

Thanks!

[@krashdummiez007]

If she’s attractive and has Instagram she doesn’t need a dating app. (Because Instagram is also a dating app). Rare to find an attractive woman who doesn’t have any social media

[@catvergueiro8905]

@@krashdummiez007 in my experience even linkedin is a dating app. and one with very respectful suitors may I add.

[@EC-yl7xk]

@@catvergueiro8905 thanks for the tip.

[@fallen546]

@@catvergueiro8905 Hitting on women on linkedin sounds like a very dangerous game to play. haha Do you want additional HR training, because that's how you get it. lol

[@Elisabetta.10980]

Not all men want a lady without social media. She may be seen as boring or not as desired by other men as he would (implicitly) expect. There are also men who enjoy being there and cannot live without social media.

[@krashdummiez007]

@@Elisabetta.10980 I never said that that men prefer women without social media. But since we’re on the topic MOST men would not think a girl is “boring” without social media that’s how women think. I think most men would actually prefer it.

[@marriagecausesdivorce7540]

All men pay. But Chad and Tyrone get the biggest discount. The scarcity-minded beta male will have to pay the most, i.e. marriage. The scarcity-minded beta male will also lose the most, i.e. his money, house and kids in divorce. Chad and Tyrone get the best treatment (same night lay) for the least amount of investment.

[@HelpMeFindTheseSongs]

White women love BBC. They're the ultimate alphas.

[@BBWahoo]

I want to bottom for chad and tyrone lol

[@koehh4652]

Exactly. Men need to start waking up and arming themselves with knowledge. Marriage is only to have a family, and only with a girl who showed 100% interest in you when she was under the age of 22 and you are able to maintain complete frame.

[@wanderingdoc5075]

I've dated all over the world, from experienced women to virgins, from conservative to liberal. And I've always went to bed with the women date one or two. I'm very bold and move fast, but I haven't found a huge variation in this.

[@akhilmanoj-9]

Chads>tyrones Being yt is law

[@Mari-gl2tk]

I’m a woman and prefer coffee dates, walks, doing sports together, basically free or low cost dates. I just want to get to know someone and build a genuine connection, expensive dates aren’t required for that. But no way will I sleep with a guy on the first date, or sleep with every guy I date, that’s disgusting and hard on a woman’s soul.

[@juliea.]

So well-said. These videos are ridiculous.

[@tdaye6978]

@@juliea. They're only ridiculous if you live in a fairytale. It's fine not to sleep with a guy quickly when you're young. But by a certain age, we all know you've done a lot for little or nothing. We know what you'll do for the guy you like, so we know how you feel when you don't do the same for another guy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[@juliea.]

@@tdaye6978 Keep telling yourself that.

[@skyeeesss]

@@Mari-gl2tk seriously…like whatever happened to having genuine connection with someone. That is something I crave

[@valdi7777]

​@@juliea.Thanks! Finally a sane comment in this section

[@sbrooks904]

even as a man i have to disagree here. a woman waiting for 3 dates to have sex isn’t a big deal if she’s serious. thats like a month of getting to know someone. if a man’s very busy obviously that’s different but i’m speaking on average.

[@andyfranks1575]

I just can't get over the fact that Orion is ignoring "girls who put out on the first date" as a red-flag. Unresolved daddy-issues are not date-worthy.

[@carlospita6442]

Bro she probably f someone else on the first date and the fact she's making you wait just means she doesn't find you that attractive. Weak up

[@valterpsicofelicita9631]

3 dates is not much... when things end well. But most of the time they do not. As the Dr. said: "Most dates are "first dates": this means that the most likely outcome is the man having paid a sizable amount of money to feel frustrated and disappointed at the end of the night". Since the man doesn't know the outcome in advance, the logical consequence is investing as less as possible.

[@joeybob8196]

Must not be very sexy if you can’t get laid on the first date, and rationalizing it as “only low-value women (daddy issues) put out quick” which is (obviously!) what women do when they know you’re too sexy to wait multiple dates ensures you never will be.

[@encounteringjack5699]

Keep in mind he’s talking about very high status/valued people. Not your average joe.

[@TheLostBijou]

Any man who spends 5200 dollars a date is an idiot, no matter how rich he may be. Such men need to consider the difference between being filthy rich, and being 'filthy stupid'.

[@neomatrix4412]

what If she is hot

[@gasphynx]

He's saying that's how much they guy's time is worth.

[@imcool338]

Appreciate ya Orion

[@douglasauclair3086]

I learned scarcity vs abundance from my wife, who is Pinay. Her family doesn't have a mechanical dish washer and washing machine, they have a maid, who also cooks for them. When we got married and I went to mow the lawn, my wife asked me, 'why? How much do you make in an hour? How much does contracting that out cost?' We have our house cleaned and our lawn mowed, and I keep making more and more per hour. So: instead of losing $50 to have somebody else mow our lawn, our family has made millions over these past five years because I pay somebody else to mow the lawn, and, with that time, I concentrate on building our business.

[@GearZNet]

Based Pinay wife.

[@rizzamaeong]

I'm Filipina. But you didn't even have to learn that from her. Its simple: OPPORTUNITY COST

[@douglasauclair3086]

​@@rizzamaeong I did. You see, you know that, foundationally. But I learned an entirely different lesson from my dad: he learned how to fix cars, so he wouldn't have to take them to to the shop. He cut his own wood and had a wood-burning stove, so he would pay less on the heating bill. He cut the grass, because: to pay another person one red cent? The thought was anathema. No: the thought didn't even exist for him. He fixed bicycles that he would fish out of the landfill, and sent 100 of them in a container to Africa. Whatever my dad did, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and got to work, saving $5 here, $10 there, and he built his fortune that way, owning 3 homes, 2 rented out (which he managed), and retired at 50. He hasn't worked for pay a day since. That's what I learned from my dad: "If you're going to do something, do it yourself, and do it right." So, when my wife suggested we hire people to do work that we could contract out? That blew my mind. It took a lot of adjusting to see that "A penny saved is a penny earned" isn't the only way to look at life and labor.

[@sgbawg0]

Opportunity cost is a thing. As you get older, your time becomes more and more valuable. Not because you're making more money... but what little time you have in this world is even more precious. Doc is spot on. Again !!!!

[@chrisbunka]

As a dude in my fifties myself, your point hits home!

[@angelapaules-f1f]

Since men judge womens worth somewhat on body count, this is terrible advise for women. Look for high quality men not necessarily high earning men..not the same thing. That is.. if you are looking for marriage at any age.

[@JosephKelly-uj1zo]

I would never waste an evening on a date with a woman I pay for. My time is $1,000 per day every day and I would rather do some yoga or read a book than listen to some dumb chick blather on about nothing.

[@Muswera]

@@angelapaules-f1fhigh earning men = high value men. There are plenty of men out there who will treat you like a queen and have good character, but women don’t want them due to income impediment. 🧢

[@mreese8764]

16:30 Women: "I am the prize". Orion: "Most men have to settle, at least sexually" (paraphrased).

[@Michelle-White]

Most women settle as every single women would like to date a wealthy man but those are in very limited supply.

[@SkylarDeRouen]

Moving to Brazil 🇧🇷 while earning USD is the cheat code. There is not a lot of men here with money, so you win mathematically.

[@ma2000]

Same goes for most countries in Latina America or South-East Asia

[@Grumpollion]

The Brazilian men will rob and kill you though.

[@user-ew3hh1mv9l]

The one the only Skylar. Nice to see you here watching Orion material. Orion is the goat. U guys should do a podcast episode or yt collab.

[@christopheramaro333]

​@@ma2000 the US dollar goes far in many places? Wow. Who knew? Jesus fuck

[@oomeshramrekha2595]

It's not only about the money my friend. Richardo and Francisco will still be King and you would simply be the simp.

[@razer0072073]

Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait. - Rollo Tomassi

[@dominique7269]

Does he teach this to his daughter too?!🤣

[@razer0072073]

@@dominique7269 I believe she's married

[@ShonnMorris]

@@razer0072073 They always come with the SIGN language

[@JustinColletti]

Men should be suspicious of women who give it up on the first date and make a point of not continuing to date these women or take them seriously for an actual relationship.

[@buki3009]

I think making you wait until the third date which could take one month is fair play, come on guys, she has to allow you in her body, a normal person should think and evaluate the situation. Well if you ever discover that she let a man bone her 1 hour after meeting him then dump her, but you should give her the benefit of the doubt just in case she has never done that

[@d3r4g45]

Flip the script. She sold off a potential life long partner and father of her children, just for the price of a vacation in Dubai. She sold long term future for a price of a vacation.

[@IMYOURMAJESTY92]

Renting her is always the best option . Only a fool buys and owns the car (depreciated item)

[@d3r4g45]

He says she bought a beer for the price of a vacation. While in reality she bought a vacation for the price of a long term relationship. And that offer from Dubai is to rent her.

[@psychacks]

See "Romance is for men"

[@edheldude]

@KennethFabritius So you just gotta find your LFA or Porsche 918 Spyder?

[@d3r4g45]

​@@psychacks Long term relation and making children is not "romance" or for men only.

[@FA9082]

8s and 9s aren't on dating apps bc they are MONETIZED. They are all dating rich men, either as GFs or sugar babies, and a lot of these rich men have multiple women 🤷‍♀️ I know this bc I am a rich man, and the women I can get on Tinder, Hinge Bumble are FAR less attractive compared to the women I can get with my money.

[@FA9082]

​@njerseydavid no not escorts. as wives, gf and sugar babies. I have 3 sugar babies and a gf and I give them money / spend money on them. Lots of rich men have multiple women.

[@trudiamond30]

Question to you as a rich man. Is beauty really in the eye of the beholder or is there an actual standard of beauty that rich men prefer? I’m asking because I have seen that some men don’t necessarily choose highly attractive women. Not all the time. I have a few wealthy uncles and their choices in women (as far as looks goes) were kind of questionable. But that was their life and we didn’t judge. But there also wasn’t apps back then either so maybe things have changed. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@suefleming]

​@@njerseydavid Some escorts are beautiful but they are very rare. Most women out digging for gold, hopes that they will marry the man even though they are incredibly stupid for thinking that. 😂😂😂

[@unapologeticanti-feminist3205]

Yes was going to say this.

[@suefleming]

​@@FA9082 Girlfriends and sugar babies are capable of very devious actions and may try to trap you. You didn't need me to tell you that though.

[@SquarishLink]

im not successful but i agree with Orion here, at 60$ per hour for my wage i cannot justify wasting my time on 4s and 5s on shitty dates that go no where. Dating apps and what not consumed a good 5 hours of my free time a week, which admittedly is scarce given my side job and gym routines. I met my current gf outside of dating, outside of that whole context completely. I recommend to any bro needing a date to meet her in the ether through friends, activities and gyms etc. I met mine at a church board game cafe.

[@smokingcrab2290]

The thing about meeting women is you need an actual real life reason to talk to them besides how attractive they are. That's the only real way connections actually happen. You need some kind of mechanism to relate to each other with. It's even the same for your friends and family. If there's nothing to relate to each other about then you simply cannot connect. And the kicker is she has to WANT to relate to you.

[@Lex_Lugar]

@@jth_printed_designsrelying on friends is limiting. developing game and cold approach is much more sustainable. dating apps were great in the 2010s for attractive men. All bubbles burst…

[@Lex_Lugar]

Sir, less than 5% of men in the entire world make $60/hr and those 5% don’t all have girlfriends. Distorted world view you have.

[@Lex_Lugar]

@@smokingcrab2290false. that’s a skill issue. you don’t have game.

[@gregorylatta8159]

No man should waste time.

[@shatakshipandey8014]

Honestly, engaging in today's hookup and dating culture is an embarrassing and an aweful way to live. Men worry about money, women worry about safety. Be nice to the people you emgage with. Sometimes patience and politeness also gets you what you want.

[@goazer2]

Yeah giving the advice to women that they should put out to guys they're after without a lot of qualification is spectacularly bad advice because it just results in getting used by guys who are out of their league or don't have an interest in them then by the time they figure out what they're doing wrong they're so screwed up emotionally and traumatized they'll need 2-3 relationships in a row of men willing to put up with a massive amount of abuse being punished for all the previous relationship failures to recover. And the number of women who can get that is not very high. This is one of the main reasons so many women aren't getting married today, men would rather leave the country or not date at all then deal with this.

[@rizzamaeong]

​@@goazer2No one ever said dating and mating would be easy. All genders must adjust expectations.

[@goazer2]

@@rizzamaeong Yeah but the chances the high level guy will actually date or commit to them is like 5% according to the numbers I've seen. And in a lot of cases it negatively affects future relationships. So this is not good advice.

[@Stopthismadnessnow-t4l]

No thanks. I’d rather keep my soul and dignity by going on slightly less “expensive” dates.

[@blackspiderman1887]

She will gladly take those away from you after the divorce

[@stevenlee9064]

Orion is so clear and logical in his assessment of human behaviour.

[@BbTenn]

I’m so glad I’ve always worked and made enough to take care of myself. I can enjoy the company of men that I like without feeling that I need any of them.

[@Ystrly]

Then you're in the dilemma of the man you like and want to have a relationship with being a small minority and them generally not wanting to have a relationship with you at your age, unless you're 10/10, you'll disagree but we all know it's the case.

[@jasminealexia]

@@Ystrlywhat do you mean at her age? She hasn’t disclosed her age

[@jasminealexia]

Yes 🙌🏽🔥🔥

[@Kb-yb7ot]

@@jasminealexia I think everyone knows it takes time to get money…it’s a coping mechanism

[@ForrestMystic]

Women get attached through sex. We need to know who we are attaching ourselves to.

[@Muswera]

🧢 why don’t they take time to know losers before sleeping 🛌 with them and having babies with deadbeats 🥴?

[@amandahaataia5505]

@@ForrestMystic bingo! I love sex but if I don’t know the character of the man I’m with, it’s extremely risky. If he can’t at least somewhat enjoy my company, then he should find another woman! I’m looking for a mutually good fit not to “catch a man”.

[@onemillionpercent]

Yeah, agreed. But bear in mind that not all women think like this and the ones who don't are the type of women that are being discussed in most of this channel's videos

[@tylerdurden3722]

@@amandahaataia5505 How has that strategy worked so far? How has it worked for every other female you know? Here's why it doesn't work: Women base their assessments of the world, things and people on how these make women feel... because that is the biological nature of women (and it's the best part about women, from a desirable guy's perspective)... In romantic situations, women make assessments in that way, instead of employing logical methodologies based on objective observations. If you attempt to assess the man's character based on how you FEEL about his character, you will fail every single time...and the more arousing the guy is, the stronger the "heart on the sleeve" effect is on the woman will be, which induces her to Basically, if you're a female, you can't trust yourself or your own brain when it comes to men. Against your own brain, you WILL lose every single time. Most men are experienced veterans at removing emotion from things like making assessments...we're built for it. Thus the most reliable pair of eyes for assessing a romantic candidate are the eyes of a father or brother of a female. Male friend's assessments most times can't be trusted (there are reasons). Female friend's assessments are even less trustworthy (it's not intentional). The most reliable assessment is from a father. The worst possible assessment, is by the female herself (because any experienced man knows, if she adores him enough, it becomes as if he can do no wrong in her eyes, she becomes blindly loyal, blindly trusts, blindly follows to hell and back,...none of it is earned, it just automatically comes for free attached to love.) (Us men are not wired like that, love does not induce trust or respect or loyalty, etc...those emotions need to be induced into us independently, aka earned one by one). Dealing with omen is easy...maker feel arousal+safe = bam!!, she just magically and bindly follows, trusts, respects, admires, loves, etc you.

[@rory6984]

​@amandahaataia5505 I'm a man, and I think the third date is perfectly reasonable. If you're looking for a long-time partner, it just makes sense to ge to know the person. If you put out after the first date then maybe you will get a relationship but maybe he will just leave in the morning. Maybe that's too much for a rich busy man but if you're a genuine guy you'll get why a good long time partner has some self respect.

[@freditorials]

You are the ‘best ‘ bro! There is nothing like your clips on all of KZbin. PERIOD

[@mmnotes95]

Love this series but I recommend you put part two in the title so we know that it's part two of a three-part series bro Good job keep going big fan

[@ohdear2275]

Thank you. I had no clue where $5200 per date came from.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

Nice analysis Doc, thank you! One thing I do have to point out however, is that this entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates. Hiring an escort doesn't add marginal progress toward finding a life partner, while going on a regular date just might. I'd like to know your thoughts on how a desire for long-term companionship fits into your economics-based analysis!

[@paulcolin9071]

Well it is the main reason if not on the first night

[@dc99999]

@@hoi-polloi1863 I agree there. I think the Doc sometimes takes the transactional nature of relationships too far and ends up with incogruent results. Hey, but no harm no foul, that's what research and exploration are for.

[@hoi-polloi1863]

@@paulcolin9071 Just between you and me, I'm playing the long game. I want to find a good woman, marry her, and install her in my house. Mileage varies, of course!

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>...entire argument is predicated on the idea that having sex is the one and only reason guys go on dates...

[@detroitvcw]

Thats because sex is the initial and primary desire for a man in most cases, and less of a "life partner", and if you couple that with climate of women in today's society, it's even more profound. Most guys dont go on dates, primarily, get to know someone...if ever. Sex is always on the table, and if its not for the woman, then there's no interest from the guy to continue "dating". The auxillary thought is that finding a life partner is not the primary interest, if at all...especially for the caliber of men he used in his example.

[@estuardo2985]

Absolutely makes sense. I have seen stories on the flip side of that of when an escort/onlyfans tries to get a "real" relationship and runs into difficulties.

[@rayrwyr]

S3x-workers are avoided by most men for relationship for good reasons. S3x-workers lose their ability to pair bond with a man. They will cheat and leave.

[@JJ-vp3bd]

how could that happen

[@zachariah380]

While all of that is true about why successful men use prostitutes, that does not translate into it being a good idea for women to sleep with men sooner. Women do not benefit long term from sleeping with unvetted men who are not interested in long term commitment, regardless of her age. When she chooses to sleep with a man should be based on vetting his personality & character, life situation, and intentions. There's no benefit to a woman to sleeping with a man before she has this information. While I get that a woman "holding out" isn't the best method either, because she's not really considering the right things if it's about a certain amount of *time* vs a certain amount of information. And she better actually be feeling the desire herself, otherwise everyone looses in the end. The fact is, young women can wait longer, and that's good, as they should, to better vette the partner. The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting the partner's character, life circumstance, and intentions, as she will not actually benefit from sleeping around as an older woman trying to get picked. She should instead focus her attention on how to vette men properly. The real actual solid advice for women for the benefit of women is: vette men before you have sex. And if they are young women, it's: don't even think about having sex until you're sure he's vetted and in for the long game, and you're sure he's the one you want to do life with. Use that power properly while you still have it.

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>The fact is that older women don't have the same amount of power, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't also be just as interested in vetting

[@BestInImpact]

You lost me at "vetting his personality & character". Character is the *last* thing women of today are checking for. They are looking for everything BUT personality & character, lol. What they ARE doing is exactly what you describe -- sleeping with men who are not interested in long term commitment. Those are the men they tend to be attracted to.

[@zachariah380]

@@BestInImpact what the general population are doing and what is best for them are often different. It's the responsibility of anyone giving advice, especially from a professional pulpit like a therapist to tell people what would actually be best for themselves, not reinforce societal behaviors that are 100% not beneficial and in fact harmful to themselves. People do things because either: They have been taught to, Or They haven't been taught not to, and why. If the Doctor is going to be teaching people, it makes sense to teach them the things that they obviously haven't been taught, or taught well enough, that they should have been taught for their own well-being.

[@zachariah380]

@@alexmuenster2102 right, so if a woman can't, for whatever reason pull a man who has the character and intentions that match what's best for her long term, then she shouldn't be choosing or sleeping with men anyway, so, my point stands. She's genuinely better off not sleeping with any man unless she has vetted the ones expressing interest. If they don't vette, she's dodged a bullet, which may also mean she stays single forever, which, if a man's character and intentions don't match up with what's best for her, single forever is more beneficial, or at least less detrimental.

[@mediocreman2]

Sure, but the problem is these women only start vetting men after having bad experiences with Chads. So you're getting the scraps and having to wait for it.

[@cottagestreetgirl3761]

First date: Man and woman meet at a medical lab where both have blood drawn so a battery of tests can be performed to detect every venereal disease known to man. Second date: coffee and donuts as both parties await results. Third date: share lab results with each other; then decide if it's the bed or the door. OK, got it

[@jys117]

1. There is a MASSIVE social stigma against paying for sex. High-valued men simply cannot openly do it. They have to go through the charade of having "girlfriends" or wives - even though it's costly. Because the reputation damage is ENORMOUS. You will lose the respect of your employees or followers. 2. Those are the rules of society, and most self-respecting WOMEN know this, instinctually. And so they play the game accordingly. 3. Transactional sex becomes increasingly depressing and unfulfilling the more you do it. It is basically the same as a COCAINE HABIT. Just a quick meaningless dopamine hit. That's it. And god help you if you become attached to one particular sex worker b/c then you will be paying to keep her happy as much as you would a "normal girl"...with the tremendous social stigma costs that come along with it. So a LOSE-LOSE-LOSE scenario 4. Personally, after all these years, I think maybe the key to an actually good relationship begins by removing $$$ and sex out of the equation altogether. Can you two actually get along without these things?

[@johndamascus6039]

I've posted on this many times before, but we're in the chaos situation we are in because of first the population boom and then the cultural propaganda that came along with it during "peace time". If women don't recognize or admit that their window of attractiveness (to MEN, since that's all that matters) is at what is considered a very young age (only now), and offer that to a quality man, or one with virtue and a future, they will not be fulfilled in life. You can't substitute fun and career for family, we've done the experiment, and it doesn't work. But we all know the reason they do, which is that they are backstopped by having at least nominal jobs, parents with money and/or the government to support them. Thus, their is no survival or reality check to force this decision. You can wait all you want but men aren't attracted to you at older ages, and it is also insincere as they detect that you weren't serious before, so why should they take you serious now and bail you out for bad decisions? Marriage was always a net loss for men, what's funny is that women can't even figure that out, and clown world now even has anti-dowry = women's loans/debt. The inversion is complete.

[@clintpot8521]

Where do morals and ethics play into this conversation? I've never heard most religions say that its ok to have sex on the 3rd date or less, and a transactional economy seems to leave many people feeling exploited and empty.

[@BanditsandBusiness]

There's another thing I wanted to add about escorts. If you're a sufficiently high-value male and play your cards right, the escort will charge you LESS over time. You can end up saving even MORE money.

[@cecee3480]

Why are you getting these guys hopes up and lying to them. Once a man starts offering less the woman will pull away.

[@Strafeyy]

He's talking about escorts. Return business at a reduced rate is better than few and far between and regular rate.

[@Muswera]

@@cecee3480you do not have to tell the escort that you’re a higher earner, if she charges more than the market rate you simply call one with reasonable price. It’s cheaper than taking a regular woman on endless dates with no guarantee of sex.

[@cecee3480]

@@Strafeyy Return does not mean lower rate. Unless he is tripling the amount of times he’s sees the escort in a week she might consider giving him a reduced amount. He would have to see her more and be a decent customer combined.

[@JPIndustrie]

@@cecee3480ya he’s likening and simplifying the process to something like when you have a ‘regular bartender’ comping drinks but we all know it’s more complex than that 😊

[@strategic1710]

Opportunity cost is not something many of us take into account in these situations. Jesus Christ what the internet and global communication has done to dating.

[@kennedyhair8434]

Dating is fine. The Internet has just made it profitable to talk about how bad dating is to the incel demographic. The best dating advice is to stop consuming content and start expanding your social circle.

[@EriPages]

Please stop using our Messiah's name so cheaply. People need to stop saying "Jesus!" and similar to exclaim their points or exclaim their emotional reactions. It's cheapening to Jesus Christ, AND to the person doing it. Just say what you want without using His Name like that. I no longer do it myself.

[@strategic1710]

@@kennedyhair8434 You know what that’s probably a good point. Kind of like what cable news does to political divisions in that creating division and anger is profitable. It’s probably worse than what it was pre-iPhone, but nowhere near as bad as what people who profit from division make it seem.

[@hurrikane1449]

Dr Orion you have helped clear up alot of conflicting thoughts Ive been juggling in my mind. Thank you.

[@RichardTurlington]

Hold up. Had to stop the video at 3:40 - WHO TF is going on $5k date nights??!!!??? Did I miss something on why he chose this figure to be representative of the cost to date a woman?

[@clarkjamesdigital]

I was also confused, I think he was relating that time spent dating was time not spent working? So effectively income lost. But if so by that logic watching a movie would cost you 5k, going to see your kid’s theatre play would cost you 5k, going out to eat with a buddy might cost you 15k

[@Matake2007]

This is why he said watch part one. He’s talking about high income men.

[@clarkjamesdigital]

@@Matake2007 the problem with this is that it equates time to income lost, by that measure going for a beer with friends will cost you 20 grand. Sure if all you want from the date is sex then it cuts out the middle man to just pay for an escort, but I think most people (busy or not) enjoy the chase and the up and downs of dating and just getting to meet/to know someone new

[@Matake2007]

@ I see your point but also think it’s not the same as the beer example. If I go out with friends, I already want to be around them and there is no expectation beyond what is pretty much guaranteed to happen (drinking + talking). With dating, you have to spend a lot of time/money just to get in front of a woman you may be attracted to and then spend more time/money to move things forward, which is not guaranteed.

[@ophirmayer1]

You missed this guy being a hack who has very little knowledge about what he claims to have.

[@uumlau]

I'm wondering if you're circling around a more fundamental point. A huge part of the problem with modern dating is that sex has become a commodity, but relationships shouldn't be treated as commodities. How can we expect to be treated like human beings if we have to think like mercenaries for dating purposes?

[@tombe5791]

Yh but sex is what makes the world go round. Grow up.

[@smokingcrab2290]

For real. I'm so tired of being treated like I'm not a human being. It's about the heart connection, but people are completely ignoring that these days it seems. I'm so tired of always having to strive to be in the top 1% of a pyramid scheme I didn't create, all to impress people who couldn't give less of a shit about me.

[@smokingcrab2290]

@tombe5791, its what makes YOUR world go round.

[@johnfarmyguy1]

The vast majority of people’s. You’re in the minority my friend

[@mudblood9699]

You don't have to think like a mercenary, you just have to understand that if a gal has true desire for you, she'll be willing to have sex as fast or faster than she's had it with all the men before you. If she doesn't have true desire for you, you can't have a healthy relationship with her anyway.

[@stephanie7572]

This is one series that, while I understand the doctor's arguments, I disagree with them. There is an emotional component to relationships which he doesn't seem to understand. If a man wants to be loved, wants a woman who is devoted to him, etc. he is not going to find that with an escort. If he wants a family, a mother for his future children, he is not going to find that with an escort. The doctor is talking about finding sexual gratification, not finding love. Just something to be aware of.

[@SallyChanArt]

That seems to be the core disagreement I have with his content too. It is all analyzed from a trading standpoint and not the value of love and connection, while that is what most humans are truly craving in their heart, whether they admit it or not.

[@pmaitrasm]

Stephanie, emotional component cannot usually be found, except for some rare cases. The divorce rate is evidence thereof. Taking all into account, an escort is CHEAPER and SAFER, because: 1. A man does not lose his children. 2. A man does not get thrown in jail. 3. A man does not lose half his wealth. 4. A man does not become homeless. 5. A man stays alive.

[@cor.tenebrarum]

There is no such thing as love xD we're animals.

[@1989Mordwin]

The thing is... For a man, lust comes before love. Women can't comprehend the value sex has to a man, because it's easy for you to get.

[@SallyChanArt]

@pmaitrasm I think this kind of tradings definitely can fulfill specific needs for some people. Male or female. However it is different from what relationships are supposed to be for. For instance, I guess if a man is rich, he may be able to pay someone to have his kids but most of the time, only a fulfilling relationship will be able to provide support, connections, family and more, especially after the golden age. Yes it is a huge risk for both sides, as he said it is a gamble. There is a recent clip from a famous divorce lawyer that explains that very well on how to protect oneself and also able to success in marriage based on the foundation of love. I think balance (and preup) are the keys.

[@TylerGeffeney]

Women say they want to be appreciated for their personality and not their body but all social media posts by them are flaunting not their personality

[@ferindies1]

The women you follow gooner

[@kristeng.6504]

Not all women flaunt their bodies on social media, Tyler

[@dustsky]

I used to think that leaving money on the dresser on your way out was demeaning for a man. However, given the current state of dating, it’s hard not to see its advantages.

[@jackdeniston6150]

super witty, leave a tenner.

[@jacquelinee1220]

I find it more of a compliment if they do that. As a previous sb I think I've had more luck with this than finding viable option for commitment lol

[@smokingcrab2290]

Don't ever pay for sex. Make the girl buy her own food, drinks, etc. Go Dutch on every date and never ever ever pay for sex. Might as well just jerk it and save the money.

[@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286]

@@jacquelinee1220 If a woman can't find a man "viable for commitment" that is entirely her problem.

[@calibre_au6183]

Better to leave it on the way in 😉

[@alexandertye3244]

"The high-priced escort is probably more attractive than the average woman on a dating app." The psychology of S3X without love is emotionally draining. She might be s3xier, but a long-term relationship with a woman who is sexually active without getting stupid attention all the time in return is more desirable. Also, emotionless S3X can be very damaging in the long run. I understand you're examining the escorts topic as a salvation from the hell that a traditional relationship can cause. But, the effects of prostitution are real, and it might be the reason for your downfall. Most men who rent an escort they go for cuddling and cries. Did you know that? Men crave love also. Even a high value successful man will reach a point to settle.

[@53Strat]

THis is so true

[@2639263926392639]

Absolutely true. But what makes you think you'll find emotional support, respect and or trust with and from the one you settle for? Both options are dreadfully harmful. Its just the mechanisms of how this toxic invoice is created.... none toxic low invoices? Disneyland only.

[@btchiaintkidding7837]

why would you assume that ultra-high profile &scorts are gonna give you a shallow boring experience ? i am sure as sh&t they are amazing conversationalist and sharp minded and provide mental and emotional catharsis too. even if we go back to history at the middle ages br&thel or h8gh profile ple&sure houses, the top girls were always extra-ordinary, they were treated like princess by 0.1% of high status males and treated like an untouchable unreachable g0ddess by common man. they could sing and dance incredibly well , write and read poems, or even entertain by playing or being really good at regional indoor games (chess/shogi/mahjong etc.) at least incredibly excel at something.

[@dippin1523]

Who wants a long term relationship anyways? lol

[@4theloveoffashion959]

He explained in another video that romance is a guy thing so basically you’re arguing against biology for the sake of a Disney World fairytale that doesn’t exist or even worse ends up in a divorce that brings you right back to biology

[@jerryrichardson2799]

What he's saying here is a key reason why a lot of men check out of dating altogether. I quit dating because I realized the cost to play the game was no longer worth it. What's funny is the way some single middle aged women have treated me over the years. I've had widowed and divorced women, who _knew_ me be snotty to me, because I was around and didn't make the _same_ mistakes they and their ex-partners made. I made _different_ mistakes. Jim Morrison said it: People are strange.

[@seangaw6429]

Reason this channel is gaining traction is because all you hear is fact and not just opinions.

[@lilbroomstick7914]

Honestly the fact he’s getting critical information to men through a KZbin algo that usually blackballs this info in the algo rather quickly is SUPER IMPRESSIVE and CRITICAL for disabusing men in the modern dating market

[@seangaw6429]

@@lilbroomstick7914 yes specifically using men as lottery scam in divorce courts.

[@petercampbellmusic3782]

Precisely why the first date, which is really a first meeting, should be brief and inexpensive.

[@neilt6480]

With 'should' being the operative word.

[@NVD84SW]

Thank you! Talking about the social dynamics and the reality behind it needs courage and wisdom. The biggest problem in the modern life is there is not enough time.

[@georgia_swann]

Throughout history the average guy never had access to women unless he went to a brothel. Having a woman was reserved for men who had the wealth or property that would allow him to take care of a woman and family. The brief time in history when the average men had the economic ability to get a wife are over. And women would rather not have a family than settle for an average man who will only have them struggling through life.

[@roses6564]

This time cannot come soon enough. A world of high SMV men each married to a bunch of mutually supportive women would be an absolute dream for the female of the species once the practice is culturally legitimized and institutionalized. Jealousy would make no sense and the "queens" would have a blast having top notch genetics for their kids and a a solid support network. A lot better than being married to the passive, emotionally inept, disconnected, poor communicator bores so many are forced to marry for lack of better options. Of course, the bores would be left without partners in a world like this but who says the species needs those genes passed down?

[@autoclearanceuk7191]

God point Georgia. ignore the attempted troll.

[@janem3575]

psssst. even the married men back then went to brothels!

[@autoclearanceuk7191]

@@janem3575 - what percentage ?

[@proudatheist2042]

@@georgia_swann remember that throughout history, girls and women were married off to men with no choice of their own. History wasn't kind to girls and women, either.

[@JimClark-m7j]

Little confused on this one. If they sleep with a guy to fast,people say “ why buy the cow, if the milk is free” and how do you get to know someone other than sex. On the other hand, if you don’t sleep with them fast enough, then they become an expensive dates. This one is not making sense.

[@blackspiderman1887]

If she is a virgin, that's different, but most women has already giving it up to Chad and Tyrone for free and then expect you to wait. Well you won't keep him around if you don't satisfy him in some way. I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying that's how it is. Also if she actually likes you then the dates should not be expensive. Walk on the beach or just talk on phone. Then no sex required. But if she expects you to wine and dine her, their has to be a pay off

[@pardus8panthera5]

Just this from your VALUABLE post: "People with SCARCITY MENTALITY......." versus people with "ABUNDANT MENTALITY....! (at 17:39): WOW, so well stated! I have seen this in many aspects of life (am over 65 y.o.) The people who WASTE thousands to save 10's of dollars are far more numerous and poorer than those that invest their TIME in living for the many of thousands/millions, and forgo the petty saving of a few notes. BTW, Thank You! Am Subscribed...

[@dmitrypetrov1753]

As an economist I think that doctor's analysis is not full. Woman do not search for the best man in the moment but the best man in long term relations. That includes not only the quality of the man but the probability that the man stay with the woman long enough. Woman can get a top 1% man into a bed but the chances to keep such man is very small. Thus, it is optimal for a woman to construct non material obstacles like time spent on texting and meetings to cut off man with low probability to keep the relations.

[@tavar16]

I've tried telling men that 8s and higher aren't on dating apps because they don't need them.

[@ViolentNin]

And almost all of these successful men will never be able to quit once they start.

[@Kb-yb7ot]

So what’s the problem with that as long as he has the money?

[@nazart7830]

He's talking about the 1% of the 1% who are extremely succesful, even between millionaires are levels of millionaires

[@kennedyhair8434]

His advice isn't relevant to 98% of men watching this video.

[@MachineLChronicles]

But Orion, you also said that successful men have more optionality with dating. Isn’t it the case that successful men rarely have to resort to escorts because women throw themselves at these men?

[@pmaitrasm]

Not the hot ones.

[@tomyoung8563]

Depend on how successful and how you bill your time.

[@MachineLChronicles]

Understand me. Orion’s video is speaking in generalities which is important to make a point. So my question is, generally speaking, the more successful a man is, doesn’t that translate to the less need he has for an escort, and the more easily he can acquire sex

[@pmaitrasm]

@@MachineLChronicles, It becomes easy for him to find a parasite, err, I mean a pretend wife.

[@-glitch-8195]

Good point. Successful males can attract women with money, therefore leading to a longterm relationship or marriage. However, those women do not find them s*xually attractive. Options are not outcomes.

[@amanawangnao345]

Women, pls dont have sex with every men you meet..its better to live a toxic free life, focussing on ur goals instead of hopping from one bed to another in the hope of keeping a man...physical intimacy weakens a woman and makes u clingy and over emotional, qualities that will only make the men 🏃‍♂️, if he's only after that, which is what it looks like according to this narrative, unless its worth it, just steer clear..peace of mind is priceless! Also looks like he is talking about a specific type of man, whos only after one thing, not all men are like that!

[@DianeFerrier-y8b]

@@amanawangnao345 Thanks for voicing this so well … both parties need to take time to get to know one another socially , emotionally , intellectually , before they get to know their genitals … a lot less heartache , especially for women .

[@JulioRad954]

I got lots of work to do to break that $150K year threshold, but i tell you i rather put in time to make money and enjoy my hobbies over dating. This video highlights opportunity costs quite well..

[@emanuelnicolescu5015]

Looking forward to the third part

[@dippin1523]

very well said. As I look back on my life this is spot on.

[@yveje9720]

This guy is like so close yet so far away. How the hell would a woman even discern who the right man is by being “sexually generous” early on? Any man will go for that but only the right man would wait. That is how waiting works it doesn’t change anything about any man. It doesn’t make a man want marriage it simply weeds out the wrong men. The wrong men will not wait. The right man would. Now obviously it depends on how long the wait is and the cultural climate etc… in 2024 waiting for marriage would result in perpetual singleness (even for young women) but waiting for exclusivity or even a few months works fine.

[@scottanno8861]

Indeed. The conclusion is societal collapse

[@JJ-vp3bd]

@@scottanno8861 is it because people are not patient

[@SplendidMisanthropy]

Lessons like these should be mandatory in school.

[@destinyandfate2]

"Women should be very secually generous with the men they are trying to catch." .... said the man who has never had to date men.

[@Zayden.Marxist]

Can you elaborate please? Why was he wrong to make that statement?

[@skyeeesss]

For reals 😂

[@KeyaCares]

@@Zayden.Marxistmen do not respect what is given to them easily. Sex has never kept a man, so offering it up early is a recipe for that man disappearing and leaving women heart broken. Then these women turn into “bitter Betty’s” that yall can’t stand simply because she had sex with every man who asked her out because the good Doc says “you need to freely give sex to the men you want”. That never ever works.

[@ayoutubecommenter7494]

This assumes you know what you want and are not trying to catch assholes who will use you. In this case it stands

[@destinyandfate2]

@ayoutubecommenter7494 "Men should be very financially generous with the women they are trying to catch." Based on that logic, this rule applies successfully, too. How well has this worked for every man who has tried this approach?

[@Yoolee01]

Ah, the promiscuous times we live in. For me, no ring, no sex and that's that.

[@JustinColletti]

You are wise.

[@wisp7753]

I was married and divorced without any sex. Still no sex since then.

[@Rick40years]

Good luck with that.

[@ShaferHart]

Is that what you said to the 5 previous guys too?

[@JustinColletti]

@@ShaferHart you know, there actually are exceptionally decent, entirely chaste women out there. Statistically, they are roughly 10% of the population, maybe slightly higher. You probably won’t end up dating any of them though, based on your comments.

[@kin-of-orakio]

I've been doing it all wrong. The cost/benefit analysis supports what the doc is saying.

[@rachelw1349]

Sex is not equal to a relationship.

[@DanielFenandes]

Sex is a requirement for a relationship to men

[@RobertLenior]

No, but it is part of it

[@wiseonwords]

@rachelw1349 - It's a pity that many women don't realise this obvious truth!

[@GudInformation]

Yeah, its better. You don't get any of the bullshit.

[@JohnSmith-lm9gr]

If you are a God fearing woman looking for a God fearing man, wait for marriage. If you are a virgin wanting to maximize your marital bliss (man or woman), wait. If you are a high body count woman playing games, that is when you should listen to what he has to say.

[@northernguy8860]

Seduction Economics, excellent content today.

[@fashionspy96]

"don't sleep with men on the first date if you want to be perceived as high value. It cheapens you" "DO sleep with men on the first date if you want him" So... You should only want to be perceived as high value if you're NOT interested in them? Make it make sense, Orion...

[@psychacks]

Easy. Disregard the first statement.

[@fashionspy96]

@@psychacks right... So what happened to "if she does this with me, she must do it with every man she meets"? Again: make it make sense

[@ForrestMystic]

​@@fashionspy96you can't. Men are hypocrites.

[@johnnonamegibbon3580]

@@fashionspy96 It was never a real talking point. The reality is women sleep with men they truly like on the first date. Everything else is a romantic cope from men. It's why, and let's say it all together, *none of them are virgins.* The logic only applies to virgins.

[@KingsguardRP]

​@fashionspy96 "doing the right things with the wrong guys". "Dont make the right guy wait and the wrong guy gets his fun, while hoping that the right guy will think higher of you, when you dont deserve to be thought higher off based on your actions". In the age of social media, women as solipsistic as they are, exposed the game themselves. Even, the most hermit of men, now see the female sexual strategy. Some men have adapted to play the game to win, others dont see the point. I believe you call the latter, incels lol.

[@Timber1205]

As a successful man, I would never in a million years even think about Marrying a woman who gives it up in less than 3 dates 😂😂 God only knows how high her body count would be 😂😂

[@andyfranks1575]

I'm practically screaming EXACTLY THAT at my computer right now. Even the comments section. I thought it was common knowledge that you can't trust a girl who puts out on the first date. Everything he's saying makes sense up until he shits on the (very standard) 3-date rule. It's leaving the important "SLUT WITH DADDY-ISSUES" variable out of the equation. It's watching someone well respected and educated say 2 + 2 = 5 and 99% of this comments section is agreeing with him. It's giving me a migraine.

[@victor7143]

Successful mean you got all your objectives done?

[@JustinColletti]

Agreed. I never committed to any of the ones who slept with me on the first date. Why would I control myself for a woman who has no self control? If my wife slept with me on the first date, she wouldn’t be my wife today. It’s a bad strategy for women, and I doubt @psychacks would actually recommend this strategy to his daughter, if he had one. This advice really strikes me as someone trying to justify their current proclivity to see others in an instrumental kind of way. It seems like the words of a man who has seen his income and status increase, but is annoyed that he is still expected to prove to women that he doesn’t just see them as a means to gratify his hedonistic pleasures. The instrumental outlook on human beings is borderline sociopathic, and I hope Orion doesn’t play in this swamp for too long. I’ve been there. The hedonistic life of having multiple partners trying to win you over with sex seems like a teenage boy’s fantasy, but it’s actually pretty empty, pointless, and I had to be one a borderline alcoholic to even engage in it. I’m glad all that is behind me now. The irony is that I’m also hotter and more successful now than I was in my twenties so it’d probably be even easier! But it’s not remotely worth it.

[@kylefrisby]

It's because you are a successful man but not an attractive man.

[@kylefrisby]

You clearly don't think you are attractive, you just think you are successful.

[@zion495]

I think there are also risks associated with having sex with escorts. For example in the UK there are 80k escorts and 2million men patronise them; considering this ratio is not evenly distributed, one escort could be servicing over 100 other men. That’s something I personally wouldn’t want to deal with as a successful man myself. And that’s what disgusts me about the idea of using escorts

[@csmith9699]

Does it bother anyone on this channel about prostitution and escorts being tied into sex trafficking? That's cool to whom? Also prostitutes and escorts have much higher rates of being raped when they were girls...look at the stats. Guess it depends on what each man's values are

[@ShekaGolden]

Great video as usual!

[@donhansen1175]

This whole thing is nuts. Looking for a mate is looking for someone who you will mostly be talking to for the next 40 years. So will she. Sex will be the least of your worries if you are not very cautious. You are better off not having sex. Don Hansen

[@eronpaulo23]

Today the series should be called "Not-so-short talk"

[@madslasher18]

17 mins for GOLD. Stop crying

[@eronpaulo23]

@@madslasher18 It depends. I agree with most of what he has to say, but not with the ones about dating.

[@artawhirler]

Excellent series of videos here!

[@nick0lino]

Europe 2010s, first years of Tinder, I stumbled upon a stunning typical beauty from Nederlands. Asked why she needed to be in that app, she was world-class Heidi klum like. The answer in the last picture: a black child like 3-4 years old. There's ALWAYS a reason.

[@JJ-vp3bd]

is she still single?

[@Brian-zc2ip]

This mindset is depressingly transactional, and it is not the complete truth, that love is real, and when love walks in the room, none of this stuff matters. May you all find love... and make some babies.

[@wisp7753]

Love is real, and it's great when it walks into a room. It's also very expensive when it walks out.

[@Brian-zc2ip]

@wisp7753 Unfortunately, yes, especially if you're a man and married when love walks out. I just can't do it any other way.

[@kylefrisby]

Good luck finding a woman to love you genuinely when she knows your bank account is in the millions. Her mind will surely be on your money more than it will be on you.

[@Brian-zc2ip]

@kylefrisby again, another valid viewpoint, and i know from experience how bad men can get burnt. Im only speaking for myself here. I don't have random hookups because i dont enjoy sex with condoms and I don't have romantic relationships unless I'm ready to fully invest emotionally. I'd rather be celibate until I'm ready to take that chance again. This other detached approach isn't for me and would rather be alone.

[@Doberman_6773]

Love is grand; divorce is a 100 grand.

[@kansasscout4322]

You are really something! Glad I found you. Well done.

[@BenX74]

This is not how it works. There are beautiful women who are not even on Instagram. There are drop-dead beautiful women that are married to mechanics. Babes that are together with their college sweetheart. If you however talk about chicks with 18-25 plastic surgeries who optimize for "trophy wife", you might have a point. But who REALLY wants a woman like that?!

[@johns6331]

Dr, an escort isn't a real relationship.. it's a fake one. Your executive might be "saving money" but he's not building anything.. he's just shooting his load and that's it. You're not placing a value on the very high worth of building a relationship with someone who knows you, cares about you, loves you. And if you've ever had sex with someone you love vs. some floozy you don't give a damn about, you know there's no comparison there either. So, I reject this whole analysis.

[@roses6564]

This is true. On the other hand, how many couples who go for that goal end up in loving relationships for the long term? 50% divorce rate, another 20-30% of expired intact marriages where the sex is anything but emotional. A few manage a great relationship long term but those are rare.

[@johns6331]

@@roses6564 I guess it depends on what your parents modeled for you. My parents had a loving relationship their entire lives.

[@roses6564]

@@johns6331 Stats talk.

[@SozjeCat.]

For men who just want to bust a nut it's cheaper and less money wasted to visit an escort. For men who are looking for more, they will eventually find it.

[@tdaye6978]

@johns6331 Considering how MOST marriages turn out, having meaningless sex is a FAR better outcome than getting into a relationship/marriage that has, at best, a 20% chance of being a lifelong net-neutral or better. The majority of marriage that stay together (which is a shrinking minority already) are only together because the man knows that is he leaves the bad situation, his life is effectively ruined beyond any reasonable repair due to the family court system. And these are people whose parents were in living relationships. My parents are still married, but we aren't raised by our parents as much as we are by society. And seeing our society for what it is, and knowing the laws, I'm simply not dumb enough to put myself in a contract that the other party is socially AND financially incentivized to break at my expense. My life is far better than all but one of the married or divorced millennial men I've ever known. ONLY ONE is in a positive situation that a reasonable man would accept. You can reject the analysis, but understand that our entire culture is built off of rejecting the truth because the truth isn't pretty.

[@erikdeca]

Wow, so impressed by this. My eyes have been opened.

[@nanomia]

more like you found a way to stay single your whole life. good luck banging escorts don't catch any diseases 🤣

[@pirateofpacific]

Flaw of your theory is that you assume that successful men make money 24 hrs a day. Like in your example, the lawyer who makes 1200$ an hr. He does not make 1200 $ an hr 24 hrs a day 265 days a week. So your theory is based on wrong assumptions.

[@FedPut]

Successful would mean he turns away work, if he worked 24 hours the money would fly in for 24 hours. Obviously he needs downtime, but he doesn't need to jump through hoops for some unpleasant woman

[@pirateofpacific]

That is not true. In most cases, there would not be work available to do for 24 hrs even if he wanted, That is the reality.

[@13thxenos]

He was talking about why highly successful men turn to escorts. The assumption is that they already turn to escorts and are highly successful, so you can safely think about people who have little downtime. It is more likely that their downtime is spent in something they really enjoy, and the time ( and mental energy) they spend to pursue a woman is taking away from the time they could make money.

[@jadioj]

Bro what??? Lol you think people only get paid by the hour?

[@runningoffinstinct]

Love your videos There is a raspiness to the audio quality check the mic gain.