Qing China - Modern Civ Theme | Civilization VII Original Soundtrack

[@paulf5538]

0:58 hitting different

[@snufflebunny539]

Paild5538 single handedly saving the comment section amen

[@swigo]

Damn it really does hit different

[@jianfongyaw]

It kinda depicts an alternate, modern Qing that still survived to this day.

[@sammybugajski]

In case some people might not know, the Qing Dynasty was the dynasty that immediately followed the Ming Dynasty, which is the civ for China in the exploration era, so it's great for playing in terms of historical accuracy

[@jianfongyaw]

It fits the theme of old civs to represent the start of the Modern Age. America has Franklin and Harriett (someone who helped slaves escape), France has Napoleon, and India starts as the Mughals.

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

Yes you came back. I was getting worried civ 😊😊😊

[@pablor.sepulveda9929]

They had holidays...

[@jesusavalos3431]

@@pablor.sepulveda9929 It's a joke bud. We just glad.

[@alexnderrrthewoke4479]

@@jesusavalos3431 thank you lol

[@de6212]

The Manchus (Qing Dynasty) were ruling China until 1911, and just 20 years later the Manchu homeland was a puppet state of Japan. History can be wilder than anything you can do in these games.

[@Knizzle10]

Been waiting since 2024

[@ДмитрийИванченко-э6щ]

Been waiting since Civ 6 😅

[@H-ME2003]

Emperor Ming ascended to the throne and ushered in an era of peace and prosperity. 78 million people perished.

[@brenatevi]

That's like a Tuesday for Chinese leaders.

[@rhettjohnson-wp8sc]

China: Exists Casualities: Yes

[@_jpg]

@@brenatevi Xi has a lot to catch up

[@brenatevi]

@_jpg if he really intends to invade Taiwan, then he will have his chance.

[@Lakhshamana]

But what about the cannibalism

[@ara654]

the original song is called 惜黄花

[@ara654]

原曲的名字：惜黄花

[@nathanapplegate5374]

Uh… sorry, I can’t read stick figure script.

[@FilAnd01]

For people who are confused as to why they chose the Qing dynasty, the reason is simple - any other choice would have been too political. Choosing something from the republican era might run the risk of having the game banned in China (though that being said, something like naming the civ “China” and having it led by sun yat sen would likely be fine and might honestly have been a better choice) and after the Republican era you only really have Mao and Deng Xiaping to pick between. In civ 4 China could actually be led by Mao (and Russia by Stalin funnily enough) but iirc civ 4 was actually banned in China because Mao was in the game, specifically they didn’t appreciate that you could declare war on and defeat Mao. Picking Mao would also be extremely upsetting to Chinese people who are in the diaspora, Taiwanese people, and so on, and would likely face backlash from other sides too. Chiang kai shek would have the opposite issue, with mainland Chinese people being offended by that, and also risking the game being banned for implying that the ROC is more legitimate than the PRC. TL;DR, because of Chinese censorship and recent Chinese history being very politicised and divisive, the Qing empire is possibly the least bad choice

[@tiga8032]

The game will finish around after WWII era. My guess is that Contemporary era will be a DLC and modern China will be there

[@hlibushok]

@@tiga8032 Very unlikely for the reasons outlined above. Plus, I have no idea where you found the information that the game will end shortly after WW2 when one of the staple victory conditions of the game is to colonize another planet.

[@cousin_of_dora]

@@hlibushokThe devs said end of modern age is end of ww2. Further ages would be DLC

[@ryansinbela6396]

Or maybe it’s just techs that would be dlc

[@hlibushok]

@@cousin_of_dora Was this said on the Modern Age livestream? I don't recall anything like this.

[@kevting4512]

Vibing to this with my mandated queue.

[@drg-dg6cq]

what a great choice for a modern civ! and the theme is awesome! really captures the qing in their era and as always amazing artwork!!

[@topsmug3409]

I might be wrong, but I think this is an instrumental rendition of the Qing national anthem; which they got to enjoy for all of 4 ish months before the empire collapsed.

[@Drakelx55]

@@topsmug3409if you’re thinking of the Cup of Solid Gold, it isn’t that.

[@ricebro7044]

We never getting Sun Yatsen😔

[@MSMUN2009]

They could still use him as a leader, but I had definitely convinced myself that the "modern" China would be "Revolutionary / Republican China"

[@jonathanbowers8964]

​@@MSMUN2009the modern era for civ 7 is 1700-1950.

[@Abbas-hp8hl]

I love Taiwan....

[@bradenbirbara9370]

I am getting a lot of The Last Emperor vibes from this

[@urinnakayama4082]

我看到了清在游戏中的设定，感觉一些部分可以做得更好。 十全武功和闯关东传统相关联感觉还是挺违和的，一方面十全武功本身含金量欠佳，另一方面闯关东的主体是山河四省（山东、山西、河南、河北四个行省）的汉族平民，以山河四省汉民的迁移活动作为清廷的传统感觉不够有代表性吧？ 更何况武功和人口移动之间的联系也很小，感觉传统换成军事相关的九进十连环更好。或者索性搞得再魔改一些，换成东北大鼠疫？毕竟东北大鼠疫的形成跟清廷最初的不作为有很大关系。

[@theodoreroberts8242]

Ok when will we get Live Gloriously in Spotify?

[@9pmInTokyo]

Show even more modern civs! I know you're hiding Meiji Japan! I hope Emperor Meiji is a leader, as well.

[@incoherenot]

He's not. Himiko was already revealed.

[@williamhumes7332]

​@@incoherenotBesides, there are laws.

[@9pmInTokyo]

@@incoherenotMeans nothing. America has 2 leaders currently.

[@incoherenot]

@@9pmInTokyo Seeing as there's only 6 more leaders to announce (Including Himiko, not including leader personas) I highly doubt Japan will be the other Civ to get 2 leaders.

[@9pmInTokyo]

@@incoherenotNow France. Napoleon and Lafayette. In fact, can even be considered a 3rd leader for America.

[@LakaMoz-j1x]

After a long hibernation... Why you did that late bro? Waiting for Mughal 💚

[@t.wcharles2171]

I personally think that the Marathas would have been a better fit.

[@LakaMoz-j1x]

@t.wcharles2171 That doesn't matter anyway

[@t.wcharles2171]

​@@LakaMoz-j1xYeah, it just feels a little inconsistent with the period they're going for. As the Mughals had already entered their decline.

[@andrewklang809]

​​@@t.wcharles2171 The Marathas were only around for about a century and were never as dominant as the Mughals at their height. Also, it might come off as an ugly statement to have three Indian civilizations and yet not a single one representing the 700 years where the subcontinent was dominated by Muslim dynasties such as the Ghurids, the Lodi, or the Mughals.

[@t.wcharles2171]

@@andrewklang809 That is a fair point, although I will mention that for the period they're going for (about 1750 onwards), the Mughals did nothing but decline with Afghans, Marathas, and the British taking vast chunks off of the empire. Which is why I would have preferred the Marathas, who reached their peak within the period, even the Sikh Empire would have been a better fit in my view.

[@baku_m_salti3128]

Roland Rizzo and co. continue to cook 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@jeff-nz3ij]

*roland rizzo

[@baku_m_salti3128]

​@@jeff-nz3ijOop yea good catch

[@ProphetoftheMachines]

inb4 Han nationalists rage about the Manchurian dynasty representing China in the modern era.

[@scaramuccie]

It was either this or the ROC or the PRC, this is the most neutral option for modern China.

[@zxcvbn-i3e]

其實現實生活中沒那麼多。清朝和蒙古人的元朝不太一樣，一般中國人都會理所當然地將清朝和滿族人視作中國和中國人

[@000-c6m2k]

@@zxcvbn-i3e Because government of PRC had erased identity of Manchurian in ingenious way. Just they suceeded in Manchu but failed in Tibet. And they are still working on HongKong. They would do same thing to Korea or Indochina if they could.

[@tempestmars123]

⁠@@000-c6m2kwe were just like any other malleable invader rulers. We ruled and we were assimilated. Happened long before PRC.

[@ruedelta]

@@000-c6m2k Please don't inject Imperial Japanese colonial narratives here, thanks.

[@moctezumadenaranja2245]

Mi civilización favorita china❤

[@kma3647]

Suerte para ti, puedes jugar los chinos en cada uno de las 3 eras en Civ 7.

[@000-c6m2k]

Manchu is not Chinese civilization. They should be independent civilization.

[@Jerrymouse500]

Still wait you reveal Siam 👍

[@jianfongyaw]

Me too! I love Thai culture!

[@alexlogiudice9395]

Was really hoping for PRC China

[@halorecon95]

Thank God they didn't do that.

[@Jason-gq8fo]

@@alexlogiudice9395 information era maybe?

[@alexlogiudice9395]

@@halorecon95 why not?

[@alexlogiudice9395]

@@Jason-gq8fo any alterations to the Age system will almost certainly be done in an expansion that alters/adds to the core of the base game. Even then it’s more likely to consist of expanding upon what each Age includes then an entirely new age

[@gladiatorone9023]

​@@halorecon95why not?

[@WolrdInIn44]

I like Ming Dynasty because Hanfu clothes is Beautiful, Gorgeous, like an angel in heaven. But I also like the Qing Dynasty especially the clothes and accessories are very luxurious, especially the women from somewhere in the world fascinated by ancient Chinese culture

[@rocketlaunchjr]

Fun fact: The Qing Dynasty was actually run by minority Manchurians rather than the dominant Han people, who were responsible for the other two dynasties in the game, The Han Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty

[@ZakharPro_YT]

Well done, Firaxis, for not forgetting about the past rulers of the Civilization series, for example, the Qing Empire (which you link to this version of the composition) was created by our beloved Qin Shin Huang, uniting the whole of China. I'm waiting for Japan and the USSR in the seventh part. I note that your game not only entertains, but also shows the culture and history of other countries.

[@s-man5647]

A simple reason for the choice of Qing China is that the Qing Era represents the Early Modern period of China that was still opening up to the Western powers. If you think of the Early Modern period as that period of time where Enlightenment ideas were only starting to disseminate and with a few countries taking the lead in making them a reality, it lines up very well with Revolutionary America, France, and newly-independent Mexico. Republican China, whether PRC or ROC, is way too late and would be out of sync with the heretofore revealed Modern-era Civs.

[@s-man5647]

Put it another way, the Qing dynasty were the ones that led China as they encountered the Western powers, which again makes sense as a narrative follow up to the Exploration period.

[@eric0892]

Sun Yat-sen

[@thatoneflygon8291]

Context??

[@alexlogiudice9395]

@@thatoneflygon8291he was the first president of China’s first republic after the Qing were toppled. The post basically wants that guy to be a leader of China in the game It’s interesting because in Civ 4 they had Mao AND Stalin as leaders but nothing like them since

[@eric0892]

@@alexlogiudice9395 🤟🤟

[@jacobabrisz9272]

@@alexlogiudice9395 I mean, sort of? He was the provisional president but the presidency fell to Yuan Shikai, who I'm very certain no one would like as the leader for Modern China.

[@andrewklang809]

@@jacobabrisz9272 Sun Yat-sen makes more sense than either Benjamin Franklin or Harriet Tubman. And he would be a pretty non-controversial choice, since both the PRC and ROC hold him in high esteem.

[@tatakirkth6806]

Pls do Siam next 🙏🙏🙏

[@jianfongyaw]

It was shown in earlier livestreams, so its feature and theme will come soon.

[@joseluisguerrero2290]

Si hay algo que amo de los temas modernos es como hacen para que suene que las civilizaciónes suenen industrial para afirmar que aqui ya estan en la revolución industrial

[@The_TinesJathian]

I agree! They feel so grand!

[@leanalopez8182]

I'm really hoping to see the empress dowager as a possible leader

[@AuraofMana]

Ew, gods no.

[@annaairahala9462]

@@AuraofMana Why not?

[@AuraofMana]

​@@annaairahala9462 One of the most selfish leaders - deciding to spend money on her gardens and such instead of using it to fund the government. Was power hungry and prevented the actual emperor from ruling, and that guy wanted to westernize but never could seize power to do so. She just made bad decisions after bad decisions. The Qing was basically going to fall soon anyway, but her decisions didn't help. There were a smudge more chance for China to westernize faster had she had the foresight and/or discipline, but she didn't. One of the most unpopular leaders in Chinese history.

[@TechieWidget]

I don’t know about that. Most Chinese ppl including myself have a negative view of her, because of her actions that contributed to downfall of Qing dynasty and hurt China during the “century of humiliation”.

[@annaairahala9462]

@@TechieWidget Civ has never only been good people...

[@zxcvbn-i3e]

音樂好好聽啊

[@nathantallar8967]

It would be great if for Asian nations for Civ 7 DlC we got for example the Ainu, Tibet, Joseon, Champa, Vijayanagara, Nepal, Afghanistan, Seljuk, Judah, & Nabataeans, and bring back some old fan favorites like the Ottomans, Hittites, Assyria, and Babylonia,

[@phesachahawahacha2174]

If they add DLC it would be great. Various periods of Japan such as Yamatai (antiquity age) and Tokagawa Shogunate (exploration age) It would be very reasonable. Because Japanese history is straightforward. and has the most individuality And if it would be better if you added "Emperor Meiji and Saigo Nakamori" were the leaders of Japan It will be very good It's much better than Queen Himiko. And she is in ancient Japan and has nothing to do with Meiji Japan or Emperor Meiji. And because right now no one knows her identity. We still don't know if she really exists or not? And I would be very angry if I played as the Ming Dynasty--->Japan. Because doing so would be playing as an enemy trying to invade Korea in the next era.

[@Phlegethon.]

I mean, the leader and civ is seperate anyways. We can have meiji japan but still have himiko. Also even if she's a mythical figure we still had Gilgamesh in civ 6.

[@phesachahawahacha2174]

​@@Phlegethon.I know, but I want a real person, not a mythical figure.

[@MainiacBrainiac]

Whats the original melody for the theme?

[@andrewklang809]

Bumping for the reply.

[@wasylek7725]

Cup of solid gold, I guess? It was a Quing national anthem, though only for a few months; similiarities are audible around 2:30 and 0:57.

[@Drakelx55]

@@wasylek7725possibly? But I don’t see why they’d just compose a song inspired by it instead of just using Cup of Solid Gold.

[@jts1702a]

@@Drakelx55 The Ming theme was a simplified/truncated version of Youyuan-Jingmeng, so using phrases of Cup of Solid Gold (Gong Jin'ou) is in line with everything else done here so far. Although to the Chinese ear, this theme is noticeably more transparent and character-less.

[@wasylek7725]

@@Drakelx55 basically every civ theme was heavily simplified/altered comparing to the source material. You could even hear this in American theme, where the source melody is way less complex than this one

[@andrewklang809]

Oh hell yeah. Having China represented in every era is a big unfair from a gameplay perspective (though it makes sense historically), but I'm not going to turn down a third theme based on Classical Chinese music. Mighta been nice if the third had a more Shidaiqu feel, but I know that wouldn't have lined up with the Qing. Anyone here know what this is based on?

[@The_TinesJathian]

What do you mean that its unfair from a gameplay perspective?

[@ProphetoftheMachines]

I think the composer borrowed some melodies from Cup of Gold, the Qing anthem (for three months before the revolution).

[@annaairahala9462]

Why would it be unfair from a gameplay perspective?

[@andrewklang809]

@@annaairahala9462 It's the only civilization (in the traditional sense) that can be played throughout the entire game. Unless the put the Mughals or modern India in, which I doubt.

[@kjimmet7918]

@@andrewklang809 They confirmed Mughals in PAX West panel.

[@kelifonium_5989]

숭정숭정 울면서 들어왔다

[@SeoulMan]

Their wonder is the Summer Palace.

[@jianfongyaw]

Praise the Emperor!

[@DennisLaursen89]

I would love to see a Tibetan civ too in Civilization. Not only will it add to the games cultural diversity, but since Tibet had a major impact in history, especially duing the 8th and 12th century, it will fit perfectly in the game together with other great empires duing the history. And since Tibet has been overlooked in all previous Civilization games, it will be evident to add Tibet in Civilization 7.

[@indigopotatoe]

Their religious bonuses are probably going to be cracked.

[@hansbass8119]

That's a sure fire way to get Civ banned in China

[@xyrocknirmou8699]

Its a good idea with Songtsen Gampo as leader but i don t think the game gonna be sell in China i dont know

[@DennisLaursen89]

@@xyrocknirmou8699 : Yes, that's probably true. However, I hope the developers value gameplay over revenue.

[@centseighty5100]

wait? Qing china for modern civ? so no the mighty PRC as modern civ?

[@Knizzle10]

The Qing Dynasty is more in line with their “Modern Age” timeline, it seems

[@ArchAngel_M81]

The civ modern timeline seems to be focused on the 19th century and early 20th

[@jellehoogervorst7870]

I believe the current age "ends" at WW2. The PRC came after.

[@Twilightblade7]

They're treating modern era as it is in textbooks. Late 1700s - roughly the World Wars

[@henrikchristoffersen5876]

@@ArchAngel_M81 said in their modern live stream that the age roughly goes from 1750-1950.

[@HARDRAADECB]

when vikings?

[@vivone7671]

Waiting for siamese theme!!!!!

[@phesachahawahacha2174]

Will it be very strange? If I play Persian (achaemenid)--->Mongol---> meiji Japan How strange would it be?

[@ACamelEmoji]

🐪

[@qingrex]

I would like to critique your background image, as it does not align with Chinese historical context. We rarely see such architectural styles.

[@PaladinOVER]

I pre-ordered the founders edition and I'm really excited about Civilization. But I just have one wish - don't forget about the Russian Empire (I'm not from Russia, but I like that style)... ✌🤞

[@blue_jellyfish9691]

Elon Musk bought Qing and changed its name to X😂(look at those shop signs).

[@vivone7671]

Soical credit -1000000000000

[@ccg4713]

@@vivone7671 social credit scores don’t exist

[@vivone7671]

​​​@@ccg4713and this is joke

[@communistcomrade6177]

PRC would've been nice as modern...

[@cumunist2120]

People’s republic wasn’t in power yet hopefully in the Information Age when the time comes I would also like to see Soviet Union for Information Age if not for modern

[@vavhv]

More like 4th age

[@RobertLey60]

REMOVE DENUVO

[@softbread2809]

com'on why qing instead of Ming? they did nothing good

[@TechieWidget]

Ming China is in the game’s Exploration Age

[@softbread2809]

@ the thing is I don’t think it’s a “improvement “ or “level up” from Ming to Qing, rather use republic of China 😗

[@asasnat342]

​@@softbread2809 the Civ7 team probably wanted to avoid legitimising either of the Republican governments, since: - legitimising the People's Republic of China would've likely been met with disapproval from the Chinese diaspora - legitimising the Republic of China would've likely gotten the game banned in the People's Republic of China

[@jy1813]

좀 이상함. 차라리 청나라 말기나 중화민국이 나았다고 봄

[@louischen1280]

Qing... not what I had in mind for 'modern' era, it's like calling the Ottomans 'modern'.

[@alexlogiudice9395]

Ironically the Ottomans lasted into WWI so they’d be a good candidate for wither the Exploration or Modern Ages in an expansion or DLC

[@conquestyoutube]

Modern era is 1750-1950. The information era will be a DLC (confirmed in the modern age livestream)

[@alexlogiudice9395]

@@conquestyoutube wait what’s in a DLC?

[@VossMarionette]

@@conquestyoutubedon’t you mean information age and not exploration?

[@luckydrag7273]

@@conquestyoutube did they confused industrial era with modern? cant call 1960 to 2000+ as future era can they

[@FriedrichBarb]

Not Communist sounding enough -9000 Social credit score

[@PatGunn]

Don't buy this game if it has Denuvo

[@Retnetixe]

We won’t buy this game if you use Qing to represent Chinese civilization

[@leandrosolis4183]

There are three civilizations representing China, one per era (Han China, antiquity; Ming China, exploration era; Qing China, modern era).

[@DarthDaddy-cg6ro]

Furst Cuv gane I will skip since 1991. Forcing players to switch nations is an arbitrary limit on player freedom and is immersion breaking. But it does let them claim to offer a lot of civs without having to do the work to carry them throigh each era.

[@Nicolasrockman3]

🚬🗿 a Winnie The Pooh le gusta esto

[@linuslundquist3501]

Here before this comment gets deleted by the CCP

[@estvanduke6496]

Qing Chong Chin~ But still nice melodies,no offence:D