Range Rover P400e PHEV review. Are hybrid cars better than pure electric in the real world?

Is a PHEV hybrid better than a pure electric car in the real world for most people? That's what I'm keen to find out and in this video I also explain why there will be a tsunami of PHEV and BEV arriving in car showrooms from 2020 on.
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[@Britishshooter]

This is by far the most practical real world review of this car. Excellent job Harry!

[@vortex_un]

you are the best car enthusiast who has a youtube channel that we can follow.

[@jpgmccabe]

I second that with a simple question, how much power was regenerated?

[@johncollymore1697]

Superb video as always from Harry-The-Best. And I love the way Harry always revels in the "science and the maths"! I'm a car enthusiast, and I like EV propulsion, but hate charging points and never want to go near another! Ergo, a PHEV with a decent battery, reasonable range for pottering about locally (say a genuine 60 miles) (there's only one or two that do this at the moment), plug in at home every night, and an 'economical' engine to keep me out of trouble (I don't mind carrying round an engine with me that will hardly ever start up!). But we're talking very great expense, depreciation, complication and built in obsolescence - so I'll have to stick to my car... Cheers.

[@calmills4843]

@john collymore - the latest Merc GLE 350de PHEV has a claimed 60 mile EV range. And a diesel engine. Just press the EV button when you get in and you have an electric car for your local driving.

[@mty1957]

Yes, Harry is the best car enthusiast. And always he is also great with his enthusiastic explanations of the technicalities of things - be it future Euro 7 legislation or the yield per acre of corn! Keep it up Harry - many thanks for your content.

[@julianevans9548]

Many people who live in cities don't have a garden - they live in flats (apartments). These people cannot charge their car at home. Ergo, electric cars of any kind are virtually useless to them, as using charging points is time-consuming, inefficient and often quite expensive. In short, the infrastructure isn't good enough. One very big change that would help with all this is to stop needlessly driving SUVs. A lighter, more slippery car would make a huge difference, as Harry stated with the Tesla. That applies whatever the car's propulsion system is.

[@colinashby3775]

Most enjoyable of all car channels. No loud music, no talking at high speed . I would only get an electric car if I need to go to the shops. Which is better than starting a car to drive to the shops. A la grannies car driven to the shops and never over 30.

[@jimmybob3756]

You would have to own an electric car for for a very long time to even break even if you cover low mileage.....the cost of a EV is very high....and I would say the EV will cost you more if you only cover low mileage due to battery life.

[@artureff3046]

u'd be better of taking a taxi cab….for a lifetime….

[@stephen300o6]

You folks do not understand why cars are going electric. Clue, it is nothing to do with money.

[@jimmybob3756]

Stephen, it is all about money. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[@colinashby3775]

@@jimmybob3756 exactly. They want your taxes

[@goshanchongling9052]

Thank you for your videos Harry, your passion and enthusiasm for all things vehicular is inspiring keep up the great work and seasons greetings from the Caribbean mate!

[@e-gadgetsfreakITA]

I appreciate an honest and a thoughtful review of this PHEV car, based on your personal experience and test and not under some sort of vendor or brand pressure. Well done!

[@joetacchino4470]

Honestly Harry, given how far from London you live, and the weather you get (cold) where you are, I worry that you may be frustrated by a pure EV. Especially if it’s not a Tesla, as the range of the e Tron and iPace are quite a bit shorter. Plus the charging network is not as robust. I’ve owned a Tesla for a year in TX and done 28,000 miles and gotten to grips fully with living with an EV. Range is king and range drops precipitously in the cold. You could lose 40% easily if you are doing a lot of highway, as the cold air is more dense and the battery must be kept warm. Plus the cabin heater uses juice as well. If you are using it locally, and can live within the range circle, you’ll probably enjoy the EV more than the PHEV. Having the full welly from electric with no petrol is really quite wonderful for day to day driving. But your comment about going to see your Espada is revealing..... EV’s are great, if you understand the limitations and can live with it. You CAN live with them and drive them everywhere, if you plan ahead and are willing to add the charging time. I just drove mine from Houston to Dallas and back in one day. 425 miles and I stopped twice to charge for a total of about an hour. Not much penalty but I know the route and where the superchargers are. Be very interested in seeing what you conclude.

[@koko56]

40% range loss sounds very severe. What temp was that in? In UK winter a Model 3 LR gets maybe 10-15% loss on motorway, in 2C-5C. (About 36F-40F)

[@zaphodsbluecar9518]

Forgetting of course that the Tesla uses a resistive heater, whereas the I-Pace uses a heat-pump... As for range, that's only true for LR models, not standard ones.

[@Padoinky]

Your nuanced and introspective assessments are what separates your channel from the others - intelligent and thoughtful/insightful assessments make your channel the gold standard - well done as usual

[@wotrulke5868]

Fasaniting stuff, best car reviewer on KZbin that I've found in my opinion! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@davidnimmo9933]

I really like watching your reviews about the cars they are very honest and you enjoy driving different modes of transport 👍

[@gerrywatson261]

Very impressive! Thank you Harry for the brilliant presentation as usual.

[@HarryHound1]

Hi Harry and Happy New Year Credit where it’s due, I have just bought a 12 month old p400e in part due to watching your review It’s great to see and hear unbiased and honest car reviews Keep up the good work Michael

[@AAJJCCSS]

how has the car been? thanks for any comments

[@HarryHound1]

@@AAJJCCSS hi Adrian The p400e has been a big disappointment, the first one I bought was returned after 3 weeks in the dealership trying to fix it, I persevered and bought another but after 10 months with various issues and ev range sometimes as low a 12 miles (hardly worth charging) and petrol range on a journey only 21mpg I gave up and went back to diesel, the phev is a good idea but not yet perfected . Michael

[@garywilliams9810]

I really want the Range Rover but because of issues I e heard about like yours I’m going for an X5 prefer the range but the X5 is better IMP

[@hakimvlogs6579]

@@garywilliams9810same.. I want a Range Rover but every car expert I know is telling me to go for a Porsche cayenne or Audi q8/sq8 because of reliability issues.. that’s my biggest concern I don’t want to buy something and then have it be in the garage so many times spending so much on repairs..

[@firminshepherd4834]

Another outstanding, real-world video. Thank you, Harry!

[@MrsHenneh]

This video has been so insightful and very detailed! Thank you!

[@carlvincent78]

Thanks yet again mr Harry another brilliant, no bullshit review. I do like a nice Rangy!!

[@grahamcoffer9220]

Best motor channel by miles!No irritating giggling,just genuine ,relevant comments.,a great selection of cars too.

[@billbligh4547]

Great vid with practical driving concerns addressed with clarity. Now looking forward to seeing how livable the I-Pace is.

[@MehdiJ-zw7dz]

Thanks for the video ! It would be nice to see a review of the facelifted TDV8 as you are a Range Rover expert. Keep the good work !!!

[@alfonsodriver1324]

Fantastic video - great info, science and enthusiasm, and great presentation as always - ace. Will much look forward to the next two videos - the iPace, and the conclusion. And Hydrogen - and it's infrastructure? Or the Cobalt/copper production of the lithium battery manufacture? All good fun. All good stuff. As you say, the modern SCR diesel engine - shunned, but actually quite good solution for C02! And the ethos of changing a car every 2-3 years! Many thanks indeed Harry for your editorial professionalism, and video editing. Best wishes for Christmas.

[@brendanc5519]

This is a monumental mistake, because in around a decade there will be a shortage of sec hand cars, because hybrid or full ev won't last not like a diesel for pure hard work and huge mileage.

[@crttft9203]

+Brendan C5 - interesting prediction. But in ten years time, we don't know what engineering solutions - or social changes - may have taken place...

[@sgtc4538]

@AlfonsoDriver - Harry's way of explaining things is fantastic. He goes into the technicalities, but does not confuse us! He is an experienced reviewer and editor from his Evo Magazine days, and for car-nuts, it is a joy to listen to his expert words of wisdom. Thanks so much for your channel Harry.

[@VolkerHett]

Cobalt is needed in refining crude oil, too. There might even be a little copper in some accessories on a diesel engine. The more comfortable ones have an electric starter motor nowadays, I've heard. And some people even say, that there is a little pollution where oil is produced. On the other hand, Nigeria is not Kongo, or is it? Just recently the Keystone Pipeline leaked some 385,000 US gallons of crude oil in North Dakota, which is not Kongo too. If you want to avoid all those, you'd better walk or get a horse and buggy.

[@mty1957]

@Volker Hett - agree entirely. I like your cynical and satirical style. Yes, underwater 'volcanos' and such are releasing earth pollutants continuously, etc. Diesels engines are attacked from all sides. Petrol cars use benzine, a known carcinogenic. Power stations for EV's pollute at source; manufacture of solar panels pollute. Wind farms pollute the countryside, are inefficient and don't work in calms. The Greens would just make us walk - no good for the disabled or infirm. Bicycles are dangerous, the infirm can't use them, and trucks run bicycles over. A horse and cart pollute. The developing nations want to move forward, and they want a big SUV; but hypocritically, we say they can't have them! "How dare you!" - says a certain young person from Sweden. Cheers.

[@stephenlane9127]

Nice review Harry, informative as always, always enjoy your videos

[@richardmahoney9415]

Ain’t nothing better then waking up and checking KZbin for a new Harry’s Garage to be waiting in the inbox. Keep them coming from your biggest fan across the pond

[@andybliss6538]

Really excellent balanced review on the upcoming electric car scene. I think Harry has got this absolutely right. Interestingly, I’ve watched a few of these films in this channel and wondered if it was the same Harry from EVO. I now know it is.

[@patdwyer6274]

Enjoyed that. Very informative!

[@kramnam4716]

Happy Holidays Harry and thanks for all your fab films this year.

[@scottgregerson-dahle5280]

I saw this newest video available a couple of days ago. I wasn't excited about watching it at all. I decided "it's Harry and I should watch it". Just finished it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks Harry

[@keithhughes2104]

Love to see you test the Merc 350de GLE, great real life reviews, keep it up,

[@subarnosinha8042]

Damn this RR Sport looks super classy in this shade of red. Top stuff as usual, Mr. Metcalfe.

[@arjunapattapola7742]

What a useful practical review. A proper real world test that answered the questions that I had ! Brilliant thank you for helping me make my mind up as I am about to purchase one.

[@brucekennedy5274]

Really nice video - excellent assessment, great production and presentation. Your emissions target explanation was great and it perfectly illustrates that a car like this has nothing to do with the environment, little to do with fuel economy, but everything to do with guarding profit.

[@MadDocLive]

Excellent review. You're right about having to keep on top of the charging. I can see a lot of PHEVs not being plug charged and not running to their maximum and environmental efficiently, unfortunately. I had a 530e as a courtesy car and I charged it for two nights and it was a novelty for that, but I don't have a driveway so I was constantly checking on it to make sure no one fell over the cable where it went over the path outside my gate and no one had touched the plug. I see BMW have a wireless charger option to go on your driveway though.

[@TekAutomatica]

Lithium based batteries aren't environmentally friendly - that's just media / political #greenwash

[@Davidrobertwhittaker]

Great video as always, Harry, thank you. I’m waiting for the PHEV version of the new defender before making the switch - think that should be fab!

[@prabjitprabjit]

Yup.

[@sijoyce5549]

A great sensible and easy to listen to review from a user perspective. You get the message over really clearly. Thank you

[@simondavies5444]

Another informative and highly watchable vid from Mr Metcalfe. Actually it was incredibly helpful as we are looking at changing our diesel XC60 possibly for a PHEV so many thanks for a timely post.

[@toms_garage]

That Range Rover Colour is awesome, great video

[@PhilbyFavourites]

Having read nearly all the comments - I know “spotter”. There is one crucial thing about this car. It’s actually impossible to park in any UK town now. It is a behemoth of the greatest order, it’s pushing 5 metres long and the world is just not designed to accommodate such a size. Line up each side of the divide and play nicely....

[@andyrbush]

In the USA where I sometimes live, the Range Rover is a small SUV.

[@Rob-cv3vh]

Thank you for this, it’s the exact question I’m facing at the moment, the two JLRs here are on my very short shortlist. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the iPace too. Have a wonderful Christmas and thanks again!

[@theoriginaloneminutesketch7892]

Really good video and makes the whole phev thing easy to understand! Thanks Harry

[@mateogalguera9089]

I can’t wait to see the iPace video! I find those cars very compelling and I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how it fits into your use case as I have a similar one. Cheers.

[@Thecrazyvaclav]

Mateo Galguera nip over to hub nut channel,he's tested an ipace in some depth

[@philipwatson7883]

Mateo Galguera The i pace grossly inefficient and range terrible for such a huge battery. There are far better electric cars

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I tried one but the local Jaguar Dealer didn't charge it up so seven miles wasn't really a great test hence getting the Zoe instead, a lot less but does the job fine

[@V8_screw_electric_cars]

What's compelling about electric junk

[@chrisp4170]

[Spoiler alert] Oh dear. You are going to be disappointed, then.

[@simpleasliam657]

Best explanation I've ever heard of the EU regulation

[@TekAutomatica]

Only UK towns starting idiotic diesel bans just when diesel NOx is nigh zero on Euro 6d

[@johnturner4400]

Luke W. Apart from the diesels that are not....

[@jamesdanielholmes]

Luke W they may achieve this in the lab, but even the latest diesels put out up to 1000 times the legal limit during cleaning cycles on the road www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/some-diesels-may-emit-over-1-000-times-regulated-particulate-emissions-1.4138323

[@jett118]

Thanks Harry great presentation and very very helpful,a Hybrid is now on our list...All The Best.

[@damianblockley2724]

Fantastic review again Harry. Keep them coming.

[@stephenhull9880]

I have this car Harry and have to say its a great all rounder. Albeit expensive when I got it last year. Love the channel, keep up the good work!

[@harrysgarage]

Good to hear

[@zeferreira3316]

I personally don’t own one of the hybrids but I test drove one and I must agree they are lovely,unfortunately like you said they are very expensive,here in France they start at 125-130 thousand € (standard wheel base) if I remember correctly,the car itself is worth it(personal opinion) but out of my budget

[@453421abcdefg12345]

The big problem with the price tag is that on the second hand market it will be worthless, so it is a buy it, and throw away option, which of course what the government/manufacturer wants.

[@tagg8233]

@@453421abcdefg12345 If you're referring to battery life, you're somewhat mistaken. Current battery life is expected to be good for around 500,000 miles, with Tesla aiming for 1 million miles (we find out in April how close they are). That is engine rebuild territory for ICE cars, so it's essentially the same, except for the rate at which battery costs are dropping. Likely in the 8-10 years an EV needs a battery replacement, the cost of it would be majority labour costs

[@swaddiswaddi]

Really enjoyed watching that video. Informative, interesting and good presentation. Cheers.

[@wouternagengast8452]

Again a perfect honest review, really enjoyed it!! Thanks!!

[@disco324]

Another first class review, you really do know your suff. Thank you.

[@georgebicket5701]

Interesting and well balanced review, i look forward to your conclusions.

[@lesbrook]

I love the way you consistently say Hi Bread. Thanks for the Iain Tyrrell videos and for any influence you may have had over his decision to embark upon his own channel.

[@mikeowen1819]

Thanks Harry, this is really helpful. The second part to this is, however, the plethora of different fee options for charging: regular contract and free top-up, or pay as you go or entirely free (provided by the supplier). Finally, in rural areas we still have too few charging points to allow reasonable distance travel. Great help though!

[@joshhtid]

This is the first video of your's that I have watched, and I must say, what an absolute joy it was. Financially I would never be able to afford this car but I'm currently lost in the abyss of KZbin and came across your channel! I think you will see me here more often! Thanks

[@matthewoconnell6291]

JoshBall who says you’ll never be able to afford one? You! Remember, the surest way to fail is never to try ;)

[@BLX187]

That explenation at the start was good.

[@markmywords791]

Very important video. Having driven a hybrid for quite some time I can say that many PHEVs tend to have 3 basic modes. Full electric, Eco/auto and Save. Eco mode, where the car manages the consumption doesn't work well. It's much better to manage consumption manually and it's NOT a hassle to do so, in fact it's fascinating. Full electric in town, then use Save mode on longer journeys, which is pure engine, but the battery is fuly charged up at the same time, whereas Eco mode tends to trickle charge and not very efficiently. Our Mini PHEV will fully recharge in about 80 miles on motorway where we then manually manage the elec/ engine usage. Phevs are obsessive, but it's utterly compulsive, you really do change the way you drive. Our Mini has consistently delivered over 70mpg combined, and it's only that low, I feel, because you need max engine power to get mad acceleration (guilty pleasure alert). We're well used to plugging in now, and well used to manually managing charging. It's EASY. Sorry Harry, you underestimate people's will power to adapt. In town we sometimes use no fuel for a month at a time, imagine that folks, the fuel savings alone are astronomical. In fact, its only when the man drives ie me, that any fuel gets burned at all, but that's men for you. Absolute game changer. Don't forget, that battery technolgy is improving massively ALL THE TIME so EVs will only ever IMPROVE. They all accelerate like bats out of hell (boy racers listen up!), and over the cars entire life cycle (not just the build stage, before someone chips in with that cherry picked nonsense), you're producing up to 70% less co2 emissions than a regular diesel or petrol. Fossil fuels are dead people, accept it. EVs give all you window shoppers the chance to actually own performance cars,instead of just having to salivate over Harry's car collection. The world is literally on fire people, do your bit for the environment

[@harrysgarage]

Interesting stuff, look forward to investigating next time I have a PHEV in for review

[@MegaGouch]

People like you need to accept that not everybody lives the same lifestyle as you. It's great that your PHEV works for you and you are able to make the most of it, but not everyone has the same life situation as you. I commute 120+miles a day and in my days off am either towing a trailer, doing long journeys or miles away from civilization where there are no electric chargers. I'm far better off sticking with a diesel vehicle as Harry has shown on the longer the journey the less efficient you are. EVs and PHEVs are great, but there are cases where they are not the best choice. My 20 year old 300tdi Discovery probably has a smaller carbon footprint than the P400e for the type of driving I do.

[@TekAutomatica]

70mpg combined ain't true - car uses electricity (some of it fossil generated) and fossil fuel. Just looking at one side of the equation is #greenwash

[@TekAutomatica]

We can do a lot more for the planet by not buying new PHEVS and particularly SUVs. I've just replaced complete pack on a BMW i3 - 95% of Lithium packs are NOT recycled. Folk need to look deeper into total impact of their purchases / leases. Far better to maintain an efficient car for 20 years than replace it every 3. A new simple ICE SUV is 60,000 miles of petrol hatchback driving pollution equivalent just o get it built and delivered to a dealership in UK ! All diesels should be run on HVO made from waste like Helsinki buses for higher mpg and hugely lower emissions. Bigger, fatter cars (anything over 1000kg) should pay more tax due to higher energy consumption and Road contact based particulates (2/3rds not from exhausts). The world does not have the resources to replace all cars with EVs and PHEVs: www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2019/june/we-need-more-metals-and-elements-reach-uks-greenhouse-goals.html Even if it did we are destroying rain forest in DRC to get Cobalt often using child labour and evaporating underground resevoirs in Chile and Boliva to make Lithium: www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/07/mining-and-electric-vehicles-lithium-nickel-cobalt.html UK does not have the grid to accept peak charging: www.electricnation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Electric-Nation-Trial-Summary-A4.pdf

[@RichiePhillipsmusic]

Great video Harry - this is the first one that my partner has watched with me (in full) and she's a fan now too!

[@seacronos7303]

Awesome review Harry. Thanks.

[@tomburton8239]

Yes, I was grappling with the “should I go electric?” and “plug-in or pure electric?” - as owning a diesel Disco near London was becoming penal. Pure electric didn’t cut it (maybe in a few years) as I drive over 100 miles quite often and charging points are scarce, with queues sometimes. I ended up getting a Volvo XC90 T8 - a 407bhp (incl. electric) plug-in hybrid. 11Kwh battery, 21 miles range. What an absurdly small range I thought... BUT... I do 17,000m pa, and drive pretty much every day. So the first 365x21=7665miles are all electric i.e. 45% of my miles! And if I charge it at home (3-4 hours, regular 13A plug) the electricity costs 13p/Kwh - which works out at less than 50% of the cost of petrol per mile. Driving my Volvo is very like your video of the Range Rover in so many ways incl. weight, behaviour, etc. ... beautifully quiet on electric, serene. Everything the same - could have been driving my car. Plus I can use the app to pre-heat the car incl. setting up the seat and wheel heating. And I once saw 350+mpg on a short trip (I must have been using almost pure battery). BTW, this car delivers about 2 miles/Kwh - but the going rate for pure electric cars is 3-4 miles/Kwh, even when they weigh much the same as my car. Why the big difference?

[@joetacchino4470]

A few reasons why. 1. The XC90 isn’t as slippery aerodynamically as most pure EV’s. 2. The engine is on the smaller side to be pushing that much weight. It’s not operating as efficiently as a pure EV where the electric only power / weight is designed for that one drive mode only. And 3. The system overall isn’t as efficient. You’re lugging around a gas engine, and when driving your Volvo in EV mode, you are getting all kinds of friction from the ICE powertrain up front. Remember, 1 gallon of gas contains the same amount of energy as 33 kWh of battery. So your 11 kWh battery is only 1/3 of a gallon of petrol of energy! Therefore, any inefficiencies if the powertrain are really brought to light since you don’t have much buffer to use in less than ideal conditions. I hope that makes sense.

[@philipwatson7883]

Tom Burton you should have bought a model x

[@martyndavies1482]

Either you drive every day with the 1st 21 miles pure electric, in which case your total journey is 47 miles and a BEV will be totally suitable; or your drive 17,000 miles p.a. with longer journeys more common in which case the your average journey on pure electric will be less than 45%.

[@geoffnewman3109]

You need a Tesla model 3 LR. The 3rd most popular car sold in the UK. IT IS PRACTICAL AND FUN.

[@TheAlexingram]

Tom Burton Same thoughts as you when watching with respect to my recent purchase of a XC60 T8

[@DanielSadjadian]

Should be interesting to see their future V8 Hybrid models. Especially as most competitors are going V8 Hybrid for their top models now.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

toyota replaced the v12 1GZ-FE of the toyota century and they have been using a v8 hybrid for almost a decade now in japan, and i think it was a great idea

[@DanielSadjadian]

​@@carholic-sz3qv Epic powertrain for sure!

[@sidewaysdanny]

It'll be a BMW engine and hybrid system

[@DanielSadjadian]

sidewaysdanny indeed. It was reported recently that BMW M have started working on a new downsized V8 Hybrid powertrain. So I guess that will be used on future SVR models as part of upcoming deals between BMW and JLR.

[@Neojhun]

AMG 73 series is going to be very interesting. Their 53 series with the Straigh 6 engine is wonderful.

[@damiancox7276]

Spot on my RRS infuriates pulling away at roundabouts, good to hear this could solve that and give me much better fuel economy - great review

[@Z4coupeuk]

Lovely review Harry. I watched the X5 vid before this and now onto the iPace :)

[@danielp28]

Yes. The prius was decades ahead of the trash available today because it was functional even though there was no infrastructure.

[@matgee8892]

It gets a lot of hate but the Prius was remarkable given how long ago it came out.

[@danielp28]

@@matgee8892 It's true, I drove one daily in 2005 and it felt better than today's hybrids.

[@DAGATHire]

the prius put hydrogen fuel cells in the grave because celebs bought it and made it popular. Bottom line is... lithium batteries were always a shit solution and still are to the energy/ecological problem. But as all things.. the industry chose the EASY solution. Rather than the correct solution. Unless battery tech has some sort of magical change... its never going to solve the problems. Meanwhile... BMW had a hydrogen car running! 20 years ago abandoned.. cos... popular culture WRONGLY decided that horrible polluting lithium batteries were fucking good idea... cos' your fav celeb was soap boxing in a fucking shitty prius... so people just HAD TO HAVE ONE... history will remember that monumental mistake.

[@onoff314]

Now the Prius has become the trash! They were innovative that is for sure though

[@andyc5155]

@@DAGATHire Well said!

[@williamr3840]

"It's a hundred and seventy miles there... and a hundred and seventy miles back!" :0)

[@yamahonkawazuki]

polite way of saying i dont feel like staying overnight

[@stevenbarrett7648]

and a game of two halves !!! hehe

[@K1lostream]

Reminds me of Murray Walker's "This is an interesting circuit because it has inclines, and not only up, but down as well!"

[@davidallen7977]

I cant check as my bloody phone has died.

[@StationGarageSt]

This is the best motoring channel there is. So well presented. Excellent ur doing EV.

[@pod9538]

Aaarrryy. love the car's love the channel keep up the good work geezza..

[@adammelville1077]

Great video and insight into the EV, PHEV and internal combustion debate. It’s inevitable that we will all have to go down this route at some point as you have mentioned but the main factors I can’t understand and even though I sell cars including PHEV’s for a living (I work for Volvo) I find the biggest concerns for me if I was considering to purchase a PHEV or EV is .... 1. The range of PHEV’s is pathetic, 24 miles for the Range Rover, an XC90/60 T8 is around the same give or take 3 miles. 2. vehicle cost. How much is the same specification petrol version Range Rover ? An XC90 is about £10k more than the Petrol version of an identical specification, and let’s say the average customer keeps their car 3 years. Are they really saving any money in the long run ? I doubt it. Unless as you mention it’s purchased as a company vehicle for tax saving purposes. 3. Grid capacity. It’s rumoured we are at 95% of what the grid can take, so where are all the charging points going to be ? What if you live in London, and your property doesn’t have the facility for an outside charging point ? There’s also the debate of how many charging points will be allocated to car parks and supermarkets etc ... because at the moment there’s not enough. Whilst they’re a very nice driving experience and a relaxing way to cover a distance. The battery range is just not quite there yet for people to make the switch. If the range was between 50 and 75 miles, then I think more people will take note.

[@davidd4531]

It would be interesting to get your views of what is going to happen in mid and long term with the ICE vehicles second hand market.

[@mikey9999]

Great video and information. Good work Harry

[@mrmima0211]

Brilliant summary, very informative, thank you

[@Kaleemofadia]

Great video, well done. Does the PHEV regen as you drive, so extending the range a little or does it go completely flat?

[@steveworth544]

Love your stuff Harry. I cannot believe the number of distractions they are allowed to fit to modern cars- screens, info etc. Seems as bad as being on a mobile phone to me.

[@paultaylor701]

Quality review, many thanks.

[@autoworld100]

Always enjoy your videos harry

[@MrGTO-ze7vb]

To bad this Range Rover is still a heavy tank. If the engineers can reduce the weight by 800 pounds and add a longer range battery to go 40+ miles then that will be way more efficient....

[@MrGTO-ze7vb]

@alanrtment porter do you have a clue on how much steel is on this tank? nope

[@Trubshaw2]

Mr. GTO Are you being stupid on purpose?

[@nigelstarkey9399]

@@MrGTO-ze7vb - Actually not a lot - look up 'Aluminium' ..

[@DanielSadjadian]

Emissions regulations aside, the performance gain with Hybrids are very exiting indeed. AMG/other have 800+ hp V8 hybrid powertrains incoming, should be interesting to see what JLR does with their SVR models.

[@DanielSadjadian]

Jon a if they can reduce the body weight to make up for the hybrid weight penalty, it will be fine.

[@DanielSadjadian]

Jon a haha true. But then they wouldn’t meet emissions. So hybridisation is the only way.

[@DanielSadjadian]

Jon a oh yeah lol. To be honest even with a lightweight hybrid, you’ll still end carrying dead weight when the battery runs out, so I guess you’re right, it’s not good. And recharging the battery with the engine surely increases emissions, so it’s not that effective either lol

[@Neojhun]

@@justafish-bd8kw Mild Plug Ins are NOT Half a Ton you fool. A 15kwh battery and motor system can be a 150kg addon. But that can add 250lb/ft of torque in the low end. Stop with the Lies.

[@Tom--Ace]

@@Neojhun an ICE engine is about 150kg too. On its own. These things are rarely "on their own" affairs. The proof is in the pudding - comparing conventional vehicle to electric to hybrid vehicle weights is very telling.

[@gmr409]

Good review, Harry. Thanks.

[@BobbyDeniroX]

Great review. Needed to see this car close up like this

[@808GT]

Looking forward to the day when we look back incredulously at this phase of driving 2.5 tonnes for "great visibility" and safety on school runs.

[@DinosawrsAreAwesome]

mvh808 I hope we get that far

[@TekAutomatica]

Lost my 9 year old nephew to an SUV doing 20 in a 20 zone - very poor over bonnet viz for close in subjects like children as with all of these energy guzzling obese SUVs.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

mvh808: I could dance with glee at your comment. And I thought it was only me. But then I’ve never done a school run in my life. In my day (he said adopting a Yorkshire accent) we used to walk to school. Kids today, they don’t know they’re born. Sorry I got a bit carried away. Can I suggest you watch Harry’s iPace video. There’s another one you wouldn’t pay your own money for!

[@TekAutomatica]

@Lee Turnbull except there are no lightweight EVs. Even the BMW i3 pack weighs 1/4 tonne. Wasn't that long ago cars were under 1.8m wide, under 1.6m tall and weighed no more than 1000kg. Much more manoeuvrable and there was space to give cyclists a reasonable berth.

[@dudley7540]

I keep seeing all the political news, and then I run to Harry for a bit of civility. Never disapointed!

[@yianfam]

Thoroughly enjoyable, mature and intelligent assessment, as always.

[@robinpratt1541]

Excellent as always. A much better understanding of electric. It confirms I am not quite ready but I will have to, quite soon. Keep up your outstanding reviews!

[@georgecostanza2695]

The Tesla is actually 3X more efficient than the P400e's electric consumption. Having said that, PHEV's make a lot more sense for a lot more people, especially those who use one car for all their transportation needs. For example, if your daily commute is within the vehicle's electric range (effectively doubled if you have access to charging facilities throughout the day), you won't have to use a drop of gas throughout the work week. Then for longer journeys on weekends and holidays, you can lean on the gas engine; minus the range anxiety, and without having to plan the route around charging up. Besides, it really sucks the fun out of a road trip if you can't spontaneously go exploring, take the scenic route, or even turn up the heat when going through an unexpected patch of cold weather... all for fear of running out of juice. Because the nav system has you arriving at the next charge station with just 5% of charge to spare, and if the batteries die before you make it there, AAA wont help, even a Good Samaritan with a truck full of jerry cans won't help. EV's still require too many concessions be made in order to use then as a 24/7/365 all around vehicle. But to be honest, they do have more pros than cons. It's just that their cons are so significant, what few of them there are still outweigh the pros.

[@alexmckenna1171]

Get a Tesla :-)

[@ppeou5190]

I drive the 2019 porsche cayenne e-hybrid, plug in daily at home, I can go to work on full electric. On the way back (no charger at work) and only use hybrid mode for the last 4-6miles, love it. Only have to get gas once every 2-3 months. I do wish the battery was a bit larger, I only get 22-24 miles on electric, wish it was 40-75miles.

[@elta6241]

Tesla has been cooking the books on their headline performance and range figures to the detriment of reliability I'm afraid. Chickens will be increasingly coming home to roost on that one.

[@trialsted]

I mean, that's great you say it's 3 times better but the model s P100d... 100kwh/250 miles is 0.4kWh/mile and the RR is 13kWh/31 miles is 0.42 kWh/mile. Actually, the useable of the RR is less than 13kWh. Maybe just do some quick maths before you start.

[@georgecostanza2695]

Rory The Red yes, shrinkage... applicable on so many levels 😂

[@MotorsportbyMario]

Here I am, genuinely interested in watching this and liking it before doing so even though I hate this kind of car. Only Harry to pull this off!

[@James-hb6ee]

Harry, thanks for these real world reviews. I really hadn't paid much attention to any electric cars in general because of the range, but then the other day I heard that Tesla's stock valuation was worth more than GM and Ford combined. Plus, I've been noticing more of the Tesla Model 3's around (a LOT actually!) and I thought maybe these things are getting feasible, finally. After seeing your iPace and now this Range Rover review, I agree that possibly a hybrid is the way forward for now, at least in Texas where I live, as things can be quite a distance away, it's a big state! Looking forward to more!

[@Wishwader]

Very well explained and presented. Keep rockin'.

[@davidkenyon4570]

Really interesting review, could you check out a BMW X5 45e, as I would be interested in your take on it.

[@marc_aussie]

Agreed, 45e looks like it will have enough range for most short trips, without range anxiety for long ones. Gateway to fully electric and would use considerably less fuel than pure ICE

[@DanielSadjadian]

Just wait and see what SVR does with V8 Hybrid for the top end models. If they can reduce the body weight of the car, that could make up for the Hybrid weight penalty.

[@chazzftw9313]

Daniel Sadjadian I know someone who works for JLR as a prototype tester, he gave me a ride in an SVR over a year ago and it was the V8, however on the dash it said ‘hybrid mode’ and most definitely felt faster than another SVR I had been in

[@DanielSadjadian]

ChazzFTW sweet! Exciting times ahead 🔥👍

[@chazzftw9313]

Daniel Sadjadian but it didn’t come from me 😂🤫

[@DanielSadjadian]

ChazzFTW don’t worry your identity is protected, hopefully JLR won’t send assassins 😂😂

[@chazzftw9313]

Daniel Sadjadian hope not😂

[@Xircom10]

Holy Molly an hondts review. Im going to buy either the Velar or the X5 and was looking around for a review like this one. Brilliant +++++

[@robi4387]

Thanks Harry for another thought provoking video.

[@paulsansome1628]

I have a Tesla Model X and a Range Rover P400e (L405) PHEV. Both have their uses and their applicability will depend on your usage pattern. The Range Rover is my station car. I do a sub 20 mile commute in it on all electric. But it is also my shooting car. I need to drive 250 miles with dog, guns and ammo. I don't want to stop to charge. And I need to go off road when I arrive. The Tesla couldn't do that.

[@victortamini847]

Paul Sansome USA here, that was the most British reply I’ve ever read. I don’t know what a station is,you are going shooting(birds)(shotgun),driving it off road to get to the shooting place. In a Range Rover. You have painted a great picture in my mind of what life in England is like. Thank you!

[@Coxy002605]

@@victortamini847 By station, I assume Paul means train station.

[@victortamini847]

Coxy002605 Ohhhhh ok! That makes sense. Are you in England also?

[@Coxy002605]

@@victortamini847 I am, indeed.

[@victortamini847]

Coxy002605 How convenient is the train? Can you go anywhere in the UK easily bye train? What about going to Italy, Germany etc?

[@bokkenrijder172]

The 'quite nice noises' that that 4 cylinder engine 'makes' come from the car speakers Harry. 😉

[@Tom--Ace]

Which makes you wonder.. why not pipe in noise for full electric cars? Would make them a little more exciting at least.

[@vc8160]

Incorrect!

[@maxflight777]

I met Harry once, in Hatton, where he kindly tried to help me open the misbehaving fuel tank lock on my R1200GS motorcycle.... a complete gentleman! Great channel. A good use of your time to watch his videos. Incidentally, I’m very close to purchasing a Tesla 3performance, the Tesla supercharger network means I can’t ( as a “long Range” user) even consider the iPace or other Marques (much as I admire them) . Tesla are so far ahead of other manufacturers it’s astonishing.

[@alanwayte1688]

Excellent informative content as always

[@stevenbarrett7648]

We've leased one of these p400e's as the 20 odd miles electric covers my wife's daily run then we have a decent tow car for the caravan on the weekends all in one vehicle. We also have a Renault Zoe for the family run-about which does about 160 mi to the charge (we have a 7KW charger at home). I would have loved a Tesla X but couldn't get a reasonable 36 month lease plus the build quality just isn't there compared with the RRS. We have the granny cable and a type 2, they don't come with the type 2 cable as standard, excellent for charging at the freebie places such as large supermarkets who want your business. We average over 250mpg when the p400e is electric only or 40 to 50 mpg when in 'mixed' soon drops when the electric element ceases though !. Every time the car returns home its become automatic to plug it up, its not a chore and off it goes charging up whilst we get on with our lives.

[@kuddin9021]

Same here, there’s amazing lease deals on. Had it for a month now probably only used £20 in petrol, charge it up overnight (3 pin standard plug) and getting anything between 20-25 mile range.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

I’ll let you know the MPG come spring when caravanning is back in season!

[@domtdoodar99]

looking forward to the pure EV episode, you should review the Tesla Model X

[@Neojhun]

Gawd no over saturated. Would love to get Harry's opinion on the MG ZS EV.

[@simongibbs3936]

Came back to this video 2.5 years later and Harry, for me, you are Nostradamus. Spent just under a year in a Tesla, no issues with the car itself, but in the next couple of days will be changing it for a Range Rover PHEV.

[@1MrErling]

why ?

[@andrewhill9513]

Really interesting, before i started i thought oh no half an hour of range rover to watch, but the time flew by, i really enjoyed watching it. Its interesting times with car propulsion

[@jn904]

At least it's not a "Range Over" EV.

[@raymundhofmann7661]

It is still a sham when the EU accounts electric driving with 0 emissions when it actually is similar to a efficient diesel when a proper assessment is done. I expect this environmentally pointless and commercially devastating EU EV/BEV tyranny and the renewable energy tyranny to fail.

[@John_Wood_]

@@raymundhofmann7661 Well said.

[@Erich2142]

@@raymundhofmann7661 Thats because they want everyone to take the bus, or stuck buying expensive cars, stuck on the side of the road because they ran out of charge, or at home waiting to get full charge, while the elites drive around in their RR and Bentleys running on V12s. Its Liberalism 101. Just look at The Canadian PM for example.

[@Erich2142]

@Boosted Benis All cars will be fully electric. duh!

[@oliver5976]

Your shit is pure gold!

[@morgman43]

There are times, when I'm sat in heavy traffic on a hot day, feeling the engine trying to deal with its own heat, where I'd love a small electric motor to push me forward slowly. On the other had, in this weather, do hybrid cars really get a chance to warm up properly? Normal driving means pottering around the back streets or lanes when leaving your home in the morning, warming the engine up ready for a boot full on the fast roads. With a hybrid, the engine will spark into life stone cold and have to haul up to high speeds. Seems at odds with conventional wisdom on engine maintenance.

[@damieg82]

This is where car makers need to do a couple things: either need to change the logic controlling the hybrid system, or give drivers the ability to override the standard mode with say a "winter mode", and place a clutch between the engine and electric motor. Why? These changes allow the engine to run separate from the forward motion of the car, so the engine can be keeping itself warm by staying on and at idle speed, while the electric motor propels the car at highway speed. And when more power is needed or the battery is getting depleted, the clutch engages to now have the engine propel the car as well. I believe a previous generation Honda Accord Hybrid operated this way, but it doesn't seem to be norm with Hybrids. Not sure why though... maybe it's more complicated and expensive to build?

[@benc8386]

The original Prius (and probably the newer ones as well) stored the coolant in a thermos to keep it warm so as to get the engine back up to temp as quickly as possible.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Doesn't matter if the engine doesn't last, these things are designed to be disposed of in 5-10 years, the manufacturers want you to buy a new one and this one to be recycled at enormous energy cost with anything that can't be recycled going into landfill, and consumers want the latest model to show off. So ecologically beneficial! Thinking you can consume your way out of global ecological disaster is humanities latest insanity.

[@stevenbarrett7648]

works though

[@fenflyer]

mitsi phev overcome s all these things, because it uses a 80 kw engine driven generator to charge the battries ,it's ECUs controls electric heater and battery thermal management which eliminates all these worry's, unfortunately the Mitsi phev is years ahead of this P400e , and the Mitsi is so unbelievably reliable . ( from die hard Landy fan) kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3S8lKahaZV5gtU

[@mojomumshusband6378]

Great, practical review ... as always. Thanks

[@DavidBurroughes]

Great video ,when you explain things i understand.

[@robp8218]

Are you sure some of that 'growl' isn't piped in? 🤔

[@DIGGER9287]

Great review..... completely put me off buying a Hybrid car. Are they worth it.... NO

[@martindavidson7647]

A self charging hybrid might be a lot better. Toyota for example.

[@mlx564]

I loved Harry’s review so much I bought one!

[@williamjenkins7694]

Great vidio, you have given a very good account to anyone wanting a hybrid, have seen your EV video and prefer a hybrid for my use looking fwd.to your next review