Responding to critics of Star Wars "The Acolyte" (the twins aren't Immaculate Conceptions)

[@BecomeTheKnight]

6:58 of course I still mess it up myself smdh

[@michaelrigney9682]

The sheer amount of awful that Disney has put into the Star Wars Canon has made me just make my own.

[@dhrevrogers]

I'm not Catholic, but as a Protestant pastor and trained theologian, you made an excellent summation of these Catholic dogmas, some of which overlap with my own convictions. Great job! Thank you.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Thank you 🙏 And I appreciate the fairness to accurately describing the opposition's position!

[@darkdudironaji]

I feel like I missed something here... Which band were you recommending?

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Bahahaha

[@Jimmy9298]

Infant Annihilator

[@theopinson3851]

@@Jimmy9298Rotting Christ

[@thefgcsensei4482]

Dream Theater (passively)

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Damn, i never expected the Acolyte to pop up on this channel. Truly a cultural phenomenon...of shit.

[@BaneOfXistence4]

One could say this is one big Immaculate Misconception.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Lol

[@olivierpeartnoy]

As someone who's a pretty clear Atheist, meh on Star Wars and absolutely tired of the discourse/arguments surrounding it, I found this very quite interesting. + sign for me

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Thank you!!!

[@jakenail99]

Great video! Even as a Christian myself I learned some stuff from that 🤘🏻Btw just calling Disney SW mediocre is being very generous lol

[@trumpflavourednugget9325]

VERY😂 it sunk into mediocrity with TFA, at this point idek.

[@blakekettler9277]

I didn't think I was going to get a religious dogma video relating to Star Wars. But I'll be honest, this was kinda cool

[@Bedrockbrendan]

Lol. An unexpected clarification video on Catholic theology. People misuse this term all the time. Enjoyed the surprise of you covering it here

[@jacobfischer8385]

As one of the few Catholic Metal heads out there who also happens to despise disney, thank you! 🎉

[@Rattlehead-gy9ct]

We need more catholic representation out here, too many pagans are running around

[@Guyvermectin]

Lol what? There are a lot of us

[@jaded9234]

Despite being from England, Black Sabbath is basically "Catholic Metal" a bit of the time. Even if I'm a pagan, I'd say that you guys came out good in that regard.

[@MattStormage]

This video was way better than I thought it would be, and I say that as a long time subscriber!

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Thank you 🙏

[@MattStormage]

@@BecomeTheKnight ✝

[@tymekpearsall524]

wasn't expecting a metal chanel to talk about star wars let alone mention chatholic dogma, this was very intresting thank you

[@Owlr4ider]

The only thing I don't understand is why you kept talking about Anakin himself while you clearly explained that the concept of Immaculate Conception refers to his mother rather than himself... Basically you didn't clearly explain why Anakin's *birth* wasn't an immaculate conception as you didn't talk about his mother at all, just his own sins and with that implied that the term is wrongly used.

[@GeneralMiller92FIN]

It would be cool to have sometimes some TV series content. What you think about Fallout TV series?

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I don't watch a ton of TV so idk how well that'd do for me lol. That and as you can see, YT isn't serving my content to my existing audience if I talk about anything other than traditional metal so... I've played around with the idea of making a second channel for it, but idk to what end. I really don't have the time atm.

[@garylaverty6607]

You're spot on Mike. Conflation of the two terms is common, but they're not the same. I think it's important to be precise with language in order to eliminate ambiguity. Arguments with imprecise language are easily torn down. A bit different to your usual content, but appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to do this one. Rock on brother.

[@ryanshinermusic]

This is a good video. I’d want to add that this show still doesn’t break lore. So in Episode 1 the movie they suggest that being birthed/conceived from the Force could be a sign of the Chosen One. But really what set it off was Anakin’s “midichlorian count” being so high. And in Episode 3, during that scene where Palpatine is explaining “The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis (spelling?)” he explains how the Midichlorians can be manipulated to create life. And the implication was to give the viewer the idea that Force healing could exist, but also that maybe Anakin’s birth was created as a result of someone else manipulating the Force. In the show The Acolyte, one of the witches explicitly says to the other “if they find out what you did” about how the twins were born. Meaning the witch manipulated the Force to create them.

[@danielhayden3665]

Dude at 2:40 the church you show is my diocese’s cathedral! I actually know the deacon holding the gospel!

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Of the......Immaculate Conception 😉

[@davidfields8518]

Good stuff Mike 👍. oh and “the Acolyte “ does not get a plus sign 😁

[@BecomeTheKnight]

You heard it here first, folks!

[@thomasdevries8558]

Bravo! This needed to be pointed out.

[@graverob1910]

Awesome video, sir. The history, theology and etymology was pretty fascinating, and…yeah, fantastic argument. If we nerds want to complain about the minutiae of canon, we should try to communicate it properly.

[@delix787]

Thoughts on Chris about breaking the Internet about Madame Webb? 🗣️

[@redsr9990]

Was not expecting this kind of a video, but really enjoyable. I think they were using the term as more secular understanding of what immaculate conception means. It gets thrown around 😅

[@oldmangimp2468]

"... and a Knight shall come forth and take the people to school; not to lecture, but to TESTIFY!" . ... (steam) ... . I'm pretty sure that I just misused the word 'testify'. I guess that means I'll be the one staying after class...

[@totallynuts7595]

Let me express my shock at the fact that "The Music Snob" decided to snob all over a crap Star Wars show of all things. Let me express my shock again at seeing the pfp's of youtubers I enjoy, that have nothing to do with music, in the thumbnail of this video. Let me express my gratitude that you aren't trying to crap on the critics or, god-forbid, defend the show (for a second I nearly thought that you were going to do that, based on the title and thumbnail). Feelings expressed. Have a great day!

[@eweng903]

After The Muppet Show's Star Wars episode in which Mark Hamill stars as both himself and Luke Skywalker you should know that almost anything is possible in the Star Wars universe and it has been that way since 1980.

[@brutongaster859]

Ave Maria gratia plena!

[@Aknight292]

You know, I'm used to this being a music channel. Never thought i would see a video about star wars and Christianity at the same time here

[@patriarch739]

Hey this is a kool video idea I want to see more like it

[@mattchamp1541]

Well youve subverted my expectations, who knew the extreme metal head would be such a Catholic

[@diegochipi8383]

As a die hard Catholic who came to your channel through the metal, enjoys your content and couldn't care less about star wars (for better or for worse) this was ABSOLUTELY GENIOUS. P.S. "Canon" is another concept poorly borrowed by Star Wars fandom from the Catholic Church

[@matth63]

Hey, Mike, are you Catholic? I’m Catholic and enjoy the Christian themes in many Dream Theater songs. I think John Petrucci is Catholic, which would explain many of their more directly Catholic themes. Would you consider doing a video of Christian themes in Dream Theater? Also, do you have any other recommendations for Christian bands? Most of the Christian music I’ve heard isn’t very good. Thanks for helping me discover Dream Theater; in a way, it has helped my Catholic faith.

[@reginaldcampos5762]

He's apparently Italian, if that answers your question

[@PyramidsAreOverrated]

it was at 7:03 i realized, wait this isnt music

[@PyramidsAreOverrated]

mountain standard time

[@morgothbauglir906]

Well this crossover was... unexpected.

[@mg682]

Well this is a video I definitely didn't expect.....and I'm here for it lol.

[@daokayestguitaristunder2061]

I was not expecting Catholic theology in a musicians video about Star Wars. What a day.

[@chriscray9305]

Well, I'm not sure about Virgin births either. I will accept miraculous conception or good old fashioned "Clone and Carry".

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Totally acceptable term 👍

[@blakestonetablets3467]

Haha didn’t expect this video from you. Good on ya

[@Ralkaneous]

I always love when turbo-nerds get into super minute details and then use some terms incorrectly and get all defensive when called out on it.

[@Jihavoh777]

Why are we talking about something we haven’t actually watched? Lol

[@wallybonejengles5595]

Algorithm dude cmon

[@symmetricasymmetric9154]

Well, he is not talking exactly about the show, he is talking about Immaculate Conceptions as a term and it misuse. The only point of connection with the show is how critics refer to the twins a that, but you dont need to watch it in order to explain terminology

[@Jihavoh777]

@@symmetricasymmetric9154 I immediately tuned out when he mentioned a show he hasn’t seen. Did he say immaculate conception is when the aliens impregnate a female? Lol 😂

[@symmetricasymmetric9154]

No, he is explaining the term use in theology and why is not the same as virgin birth, and why using the term to refer to the twins is misusing it.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

You should probably watch the video. You'll learn something

[@GloomTombProductions]

Yeah unlike Anakin, Catholic acolytes don't kill younglings, they just.... I'll see myself out.

[@jimberjamber8540]

My big issue is the power that the witches used to create the twins is derived from the dark side. It's the same power Darth Plagueis attempted to gain which in-turn caused the will of the force to create Anakin to counteract and destroy those perverting the force. For some reason, this coven believes they are "misunderstood" and only they truly understand the force. Absolute rubbish.

[@KilroyWasHere83]

Mediocrity? Disney Star Wars broke through the bottom of the mediocrity well years ago. Now they're digging through the sewer line underneath.

[@korohmnel]

that white maria and blond blue eyed baby jesus picture is hilarious

[@BecomeTheKnight]

MJ ftw

[@joelancon7231]

Welcome Home Brother

[@RobertJohnson-kg3pu]

Disney just can’t make a good show or movie loosely based on Star Wars. I gave up on greatness from them after I saw “ the force awakens .” Bad acting, horrible storytelling. Virgin birth or even immaculate conception is the least of their problems

[@JHAN1212]

I feel like objectively minded metal dudes that watch EFAP and Become the Knight videos is a whole subgenre of human nowadays.

[@Roadiedave]

A "Vergence" birth

[@xravenfeederx]

I appreciate your analysis and insight into Catholic typology, but I disagree that the Acolyte undercuts the symbolism of Anakin's virgin birth in the Prequels. While Anakin exhibits messianic characteristics, The Force is never shown to be a 1-1 comparison to the Christian God, and the original script leaves room for Anakin not to be the only example of conception via The Force.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I appreciate the comment and pretty sure I understand your pov. In the interest of time, I will respectfully disagree. Thank you!

[@kingofthegutter8259]

Forgot you were catholic, it took time but I realize now only true based pulled takes cone from non-protestant persons. I lean more orthodox myself

[@ClassicallyReformed]

Immaculate conception is not a uniquely roman dogma. It's also taught by most of the eastern traditions as well.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

As far as I've seen, Eastern *Orthodox* do not agree with the Immaculate Conception. They either don't teach on it specifically or just say that Mary only had no personal sin in her life but inherited original sin. If you're referring to Eastern *catholic* that still falls under the broadly catholic umbrella I said in the video

[@ClassicallyReformed]

@@BecomeTheKnight I did have one orthodox friend that tried to convince me of the immaculate conception, so someones confused about smth idk. But the orthodox do not believe in original guilt at all from what i understand, but rather teach that adam made it to where we have a tendancy to sin but no guilt that isn't personal. Most of the easterners i've seen can't stand augustine or the western conception of original sin. I am a confessional Presbyterian so i don't really know all that much about the exact claims of rome or the east but i am a hardcore believer in original sin.

[@adamwheelerproductions1607]

I am not a religious person whatsoever, but I wouldn't call Christianity or any religion "fake" or "made up." This video was very informative.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Thank you! And I appreciate the open-mindedness 🙏

[@Seeker118]

Fake i don’t think so fake implies that everything in the book is fake when it isn’t I’m sure there are plenty of stories that have a bit of truth but to say that everything in it is true I doubt it

[@m00rons]

It is probably made up, but who cares? Religion, like music, is imo made up. But it enriches lots of peoples lives and gives us a feeling of something greater than our selves. Fake is not a word I would use unless I'm arguing with someone telling me that we need to teach the bible as a substitute for science in school. Religion is more like philosophy. It's not there to answer questions, it's there to make you think about the questions and do your own interpretations

[@Seeker118]

@@m00rons unlike religion most music doesn't tell you to worship it might also stem from real events that occurred in the past or a hope for the future the Bible itself has never once asked a question regarding its authenticity only people who believe in or don't believe in it do while I do think the Bible has stories that can teach us lessons I would say take anything that it claims to be true with a grain of salt

[@m00rons]

@@Seeker118 I agree with what you say, I only brought up music as a comparison in the sense of how people feel when having a "spiritual" experience with either religion or music

[@fabianofmanyinterests]

One video I did not expect you to make 😂

[@alistairsmith2901]

Don't care for Stars Wars (don't @ me) don't care for religion either so i cant understand why i found this video so interesting and informative. But there we have it.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

That means a lot! Thank you 🙏

[@J1O2C3K4E5S]

Become the knight talking about film all of a sudden? Go figure.

[@Jerome616]

THANKS.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

YOURE WELCOME

[@MrMrsBellamy-or7if]

They are only identical twins when they grow up lmao what a joke

[@manhattanmike6959]

Titus 2 verse 9-10, slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything. They are to be well pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith. Any book that tells people to be "good slaves" is evil. Stop cherry picking 😂😂😂

[@NerdyFrames2000]

Wow you went biblical on the critics! :)

[@ZeBubba]

Catholic dogma and the Acolyte script are equally plausible. Hail Mary and Mickey!

[@BecomeTheKnight]

There's more scientific evidence to support Catholicism and Christianity more broadly than actual fantasy. That's all I'll say on the matter. If you don't think so, then that's your own willful ignorance or dishonesty.

[@ZeBubba]

Sure there were actual people and places in the bible, but the talking snake, virgin birth and sky jesus are pure fiction.

[@AlexpPresley701]

Niice video!

[@Roadiedave]

I disagree with your assessment. Anakin is not the focus of the Immaculate Conception, it is Shmi. Shmi was come upon (umm...phrasing?) by the Force as a vessel for a midichlorian fertilization. Anakin is irrelevant to the argument, as is Jesus, aside from variations in their origin stories. Their mothers are Immaculate. Also "Immaculate"=/="Virgin" technically speaking. Both mothers were vessels pure enough to be inhabited by and to give birth to the Spirit with the intent to fulfill a prophecy. Both successfully, I would argue. The Jedi having a rather Light biased definition of "Balance" when there were enough Jedi to basically be their own branch of government across the galaxy when the Sith were reduced to the point of myth by the time Anakin was born. Anakin's turn to the Dark Side was thus the proper fulfillment of his prophecy. Yoda, by comparison was the first to teach Luke to cast stones, while JC, what with all the footwashing, was apparently not a fan of sand either.

[@thebubonicj]

Based 🙏

[@marcinmcula99]

It's baffling to me that the people who crap on this show and say it breaks the canon also worship the (luckily now non-canon) EU which broke canon all the time, it was basically fanfiction and was declared as such by Lucas himself. On the other hand most people who review bomb don't even watch shows, they watch youtubers and can't even form their own opinions

[@spicefactor9604]

Ur right about immaculate conception being incorrect in the context of starwars. But you probably should watch the show before making a video about it lol

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I appreciate the sentiment, but me watching the series is not particularly relevant to my video. Nothing in my video changes or is more validated by me having watched the series.

[@spicefactor9604]

@@BecomeTheKnight Correct, however I think if you watched it (particularly episode 3) you would find that people aren't exaggerating too much about the shows quality.

[@Strombolini]

Catholic and a metalhead? So based

[@CYB3R2K]

I think both are stupid, religion and star wars. Where's my cookie Mike? Oh I guess my oath.

[@Seeker118]

I’m sorry to say this Vader is not anakin they are completely different from personalities to thought process in vaders words he killed him and once he killed his first child we hardly ever see anakin all that’s left are echos until Luke of course

[@BecomeTheKnight]

That's a take, sure. But that still doesn't invalidate my complaint lol

[@Seeker118]

@@BecomeTheKnight well it wouldn’t because it had nothing to do with your point my point was to bring up the fact anakin and Vader aren’t the same in terms of mindset,values and direction

[@Seeker118]

@@BecomeTheKnightI don't think there is anything wrong with your base argument I do have one problem around 2:18 you bring up the fact that for the Catholics the Bible is real in their world view but we have to remember a few important things there's no evidence to back up any of these claims and it was so long ago that human error has affected or change the story of virgin marry while sw is a fake story it comes with the caveat that we don't believe it's real therefore we don't need to argue about the science or laws gorge Lucas created but we do get to argue with crappy writing Ps: I hope you understand this sorry if it's incoherent I'm a little tired

[@williamlanger9229]

That’s figurative. They are not literally different people unless he literally has a mental disorder (a mental disorder which probably doesn’t exist). And if they are literally different people in canon, thats dumb and is not displayed in the movies in any way.

[@basicbias1885]

Gotta say I can’t stand religion generally, but I’ll also admit some of it is fascinating. Thanks for info Knight!

[@GeraldH-ln4dv]

I find that most of the hate directed at Disney over the Acolyte has its roots in political and social bias. RWNJs tend to go looking for reasons to hate to hide their real reasons. It's a thin veneer over bigotry, whether that bigotry is social, political or religious. Maybe if they were more honest with themselves, they would be more honest with their viewers. But then self-delusion is a basic part of bigotry.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

I'm not a fan of the milking of the hatred from critics. It's a lil gross tbh. Certainly not healthy for discourse or society.

[@giovannibahena3322]

What is this video. I am confused. Is he christian now.

[@gerardesc7221]

Dude, how are you gonna critice something if you haven´t seen it. I stopped at the 40 seconds mark, see ya.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

We can't all be stupid, but thank you for bearing the load for so many of us 🙏

[@gerardesc7221]

@@BecomeTheKnight Nah man, I usually enjoy your videos but this is pretty much willful ignorance on your part. I haven´t watched Star Wars in many years but I´m not gonna say something is bad if I haven´t taken the time to see why.

[@gerardesc7221]

@@InfamousTub The same would apply with something good, how would you recommend a good restaurant if you haven´t tried it?

[@BecomeTheKnight]

You should probably watch the video. And realize how stupid your comment is.

[@gerardesc7221]

@@InfamousTub neither was the shit plate you propossed is what is being discussed. One thing is something you know won´t be good for your health and another is a TV show made by new staff. Even if Star Wars hasn´t had a good streak a lot of people are liking it, you may not have seen or read those people. So that raises the question, if a lot of people are saying the show is bad, why does some people like it? The only way to get that answer is to watch the show.

[@lunavioleta001]

The type of hate this show is getting is absolute luncay. Even calling it the worst show even before half the episodes were released. Even a movie called the Acolyle, nothing to do with this Star Wars show, has been getting bad scores out of nowhere. So far, it's just a mediocre show. And no, it has nothing to do with characters being black or gay. It is just about the direction, writing, and tone.

[@Guyvermectin]

The show sucks