Richard Rohr: Wise Sage or False Teacher?

Richard Rohr is a Franciscan priest, author of several books, and the founder of the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in Albuquerque, New Mexico. His teachings are gaining influence, especially among millennials who grew up in the Evangelical church. He is particularly influential in the progressive Christian movement and is referred to as a spiritual father, hero, and mentor by well-known progressive voices. But what does he really believe? In today's video, I analyze Rohr's teachings regarding the gospel and focus especially on his view of the Bible, which he believes does not give a clear theology of God and is full of contradictions.
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[@walkitoff117]

Richard doesn't travel as much lately, due to health, but I wonder if he'd be willing to have a conversation with you Alisa?

[@davidolson8537]

That would be awesome.

[@loretomazzola403]

Yes I would love that!! If it wasn't for Richard I would of thrown it all out!! He's such an easy sweet man to have a healthy conversation with.

[@robertmarriott584]

agree..love RR..

[@ollezimmerman]

That would be really interesting!

[@ollezimmerman]

@Rafael Dean What do you want me to watch?

[@josephsolomon3436]

Wow, Alisa! You put so much work into this. You did a great job of laying out the claims by Rohr, then using the truth of God's word in such detail, that I can't stop being impressed by the Lord's working through you. Rock it, sister!

[@johnbenedict1883]

Solid case for Jesus!

[@johnlewis1078]

"Progressive Christianity" is nothing more than apostasy

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

The Antichrist spirit. Matthew 24:24

[@carissstewart3211]

There's nothing new about "Progressive Christianity." Rohr hermeneutic of discontinuity would have been readily recognized by the ancient Gnostics.

[@MrSASA51]

@@carissstewart3211 aha so you endorse tradition rather than the gospel? ‘According to this view of Pope Benedict XVI, the correct view of the Council is that which interprets it "within the context of tradition, not as a rupture with tradition, and the false view is that which "only accepted as authentic the 'spirit' or progressive thrust of the documents and so rejected any elements of the older tradition found in the texts, which were regarded as compromises and so not binding".’.......... yet penal substitution atonement theory, eternal torment, the rapture, and homophobia are all later additions/developments of Christian thought and belief so in themselves are ‘a rupture with tradition’ ... no connection with Gnosticism a5 all

[@carissstewart3211]

@@MrSASA51 "So, then brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." 2 Thessalonians 2:15 I do not "endorse tradition rather than the gospel"; I endorse Tradition as part of the Gospel. Jesus, in his earthly ministry, did not write an anthology of books; he established his Church. To the Apostles and their successors gave the authority to interpret and to teach, guided by the Holy Spirit. The Canon of Scripture is itself a part of the Church's Tradition. In her controversies with heretical sects, including the many shades of Gnosticism, the early Church cited Apostolic Succession as the basis for her authority. There is a Development of doctrine octrine, as the Church meditates upon Scripture and Tradition and comes to a better understanding of them. That is completely different from a hermeneutic of discontinuity which directly contradicts Scripture and Tradition. Hell, substitutionary atonement, and "homophobia" are not "late additions." They all have a basis in Scripture. (So no, not Gnosticism.) The Rapture (as it is understood by certain American Envangelical Protestants), on the other hand, is not even a Catholic teaching! You're clearly unfamiliar with the subject matter so don't be so strident in your attack.

[@MrSASA51]

@@carissstewart3211 I agree but the traditions AC endorses are not the traditions of the early church. For example penal substitution? 12C from St Anselm, further developed by Calvin 500 years ago, Childers is the ‘progressive’ diverting from the teachings of Jesus

[@elaineleonard9526]

I think it’s great when Christian women age so gracefully. No hair dye, modest makeup, tasteful outfits. Ms Childers is a beautiful woman of God.

[@abbiethomas1999]

Amen!

[@messiahspeople]

Why must there always be comments about women's appearance? It's disrespectful to her teaching.

[@johnp7739]

@@messiahspeople She's talking mostly about how Alisa adorns herself--a Biblical concept. I won't name names, but there are female Evangelical celebrities in their 60s who try hard to look like they're 30.

[@messiahspeople]

@@johnp7739 I can name a few male evangelical celebrities of whom the same can be said. What a pity Elaine didn't think fit to comment on Alisa's teachings.

[@sirstan808]

Completely agree, but her inner beauty (Jesus) shines right through.

[@Glimfeather72]

Thank you Alisa for your powerful insights! Rohr's statement: "The Universe is the Body of God" was just the sort of statement that even Old Testament Israel stood against. According to respected Old Testament commentator John Oswalt: "Pagans insisted that this world was the body of the divine. Alone of all the ancient peoples the Hebrews insisted that this was not true. God is not a part of this world. He is Holy, other, there is a thick distinction between Creator and creature.” Does Rohr represent progress? His statement seems to represent a great step backwards towards paganism.

[@deakhanani]

Mans opinions ( because that is exactly what that is, is his opinion) ARE NOT The Most High Gods ABSOLUTE TRUTHS. Anyone who is calling themselves a teacher, and then charging, and proclaiming that what they say is the truth, is a fraud, a swindler and pimper of the highest order. It is disgusting. The Most High God will not be mocked.

[@messiahspeople]

"EVEN the Old Testament"?? It was the Bible of Jesus and the apostles in case you forgot

[@Glimfeather72]

@@messiahspeople Sorry...I agree the Old Testament was Jesus Bible and it remains altogether precious. I find it to be a wonderful gift of divine revelation. My point was that opposition to Rohr's statement "the Universe is the Body of God" does not originate with Paul or Peter. Instead, it goes back further to Jeremiah, Isaiah, and indeed, Moses.

[@messiahspeople]

Apologies Rob. I didn't read your comment correctly. Thank you for the gracious response. I agree that Rohr's teachings are a departure from Scripture.

[@williamfranz6639]

He is not a pantheist. He is a panentheist. There is a giant distinction. He. Is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. ( Col. 1:15); For in him we're created all things in heaven and on earth,. The visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, or principalities or powers; all things we're created through him and for him;( Col 1:16) He is BEFORE ALL THINGS, AND IN HIM ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER. ( COL.1:15) OR this one: FOR IN HIM ALL THE FULLNESS WAS PLEASED TO DWELL.( Col. 1:19). That is not a mere patheistic image . It does not say coterminous somehow with the physical Universe. It is way more " preeminent than that but it never suggests ," is the Universe." Neither does Rohr. Rohr identifies the obvious. A man who lived in history about 30 years and the 2nd person in the Trinity who obviously is described in ways a man in history cannot be. ( Without the mystery of incarnation).All fullness is intended to be literal, as is being transcendent.

[@curly874]

Ms. Childers, You are a wonderful teacher -Dave

[@carissstewart3211]

Rohr: "Jesus expressly denied anything that was exclusionary or tribal." The Syro-Phoenicean woman: "come again?"

[@ravissary79]

Or more importantly... claiming to be one with the father? Claiming to be the ONLY way, truth and the life? He's the most exclusionary "religious leader" in history that wasn't a doomsday cult. But that's only about himself. And obtaining divine life through himself, in approaching him through "saving" faith, none are excluded except in demanding their repentance... in the proper time (Jesus came to the Jews first because the Jews were covenantally supposes to be examples to the world). Jesus was sent to Israel first. So he rebuffed her. But she accepted this and countered that even the little dogs eat crumbs from the children... pointing out that just because she's not the immediate primary recipient doesn't mean she's EXCLUDED from grace, her understanding of this in humility impressed Jesus, and he honored her request. Jesus is consistently impressed by people who boldly approach him in faith, but in respect to the divine hierarchy... everything is good IN ITS PLACE, and becomes more in faith through submission to God. It's the last shall be first and beatitutes brought to life.

[@ayeshasalier8218]

Yelling

[@RNKittyCat1]

Thank you so much for shedding light on this Alisa! I’m trying to join the Facebook book club but Facebook can’t seem to find the group. Would you be able to link it?

[@stevewentworth3026]

Alisa Childers Critiquing Father Richard Rohr is like a Freshman Art major critiquing REMBRANDT.

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

Alisa-watch the new Disney/Pixar movie “Soul” ...someone needs to do a biblical response to this. I think it has SO much to do with Richard Roar and progressive Christianity, and New Age.

[@anneboyle2951]

Marcus Rodgers has done a Biblical response to this film

[@thesagetraveler7649]

Just watched it, and I agree. Definitely so much New Age there.

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

@@anneboyle2951 Thanks!

[@songsgardensbyjenniferlynn3242]

I made a video to "Soul"! It's only 3 minutes, but it's something: kzbin.info/www/bejne/robFhoOIeb2SgtU and I also found Marcus Roger's video on "Soul" (I don't know him, but what he says here is on point) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIiVlGqmrNapeZI

[@ClauGutierrezY]

Me and my wife tried to watch it last night, we couldn't go beyond the 15 mins mark, just too weird

[@bridgetmccaskill4897]

So grateful for your talks! Where is the best place to leave a review for your channel?

[@trilithon108]

I agree with him that the sense of separation is self imposed. Sin in the original is 'missing the mark' in other words not loving God is to miss the mark.

[@lilyfield7634]

And not loving each other, or our enemies, etc. is missing the mark - along with tearing down another minister - division.

[@KeithGiles]

Where exactly does Jesus himself teach that he died "to take our punishment upon Himself"?

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

2 Cor. 5:21 and extended context (surrounding text) - v. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

I Peter 2:24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” (Please see context and chain references; e.g., use free website or app from BibleGateway.com :)

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

I John 2:2 It is he who is the atoning sacrifice [propitiation] for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world's. Source: bible.knowing-jesus.com/1-John/2/2

[@KeithGiles]

@@user-hi8rg7bl2s None of this is "Jesus himself" teaching substitutionary atonement.

[@user-hi8rg7bl2s]

I John 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Romans 3:21-26, New International Version. 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God(A) has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.(B) 22 This righteousness(C) is given through faith(D) in[a] Jesus Christ(E) to all who believe.(F) There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,(G) 23 for all have sinned(H) and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified(I) freely by his grace(J) through the redemption(K) that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[b](L) through the shedding of his blood(M)-to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished(N)- 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. See link to easily click on and read cross references because Scripture reliably interprets Scripture. Link here: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Romans%2b3:21-26&version=NIV&interface=amp

[@indrawinangun2392]

Alisa Have you listen Yusuf Estes?

[@brittanyfarber7665]

Great work on this piece, Alisa!! I admire you and get so much out of your well organized teachings. Thank you.

[@mamboman2]

Jesus clearly states in John:14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments", Jesus wrote the commandments and gave them to Moses.

[@bobdenney4267]

I thought God gave the commandments to Moses.

[@gobo667]

Yep. Jesus is God.

[@williamfranz6639]

Of course Jesus gave us the Beatitudes and Gospel of Mercy also. And the Trinity is God. Better theology

[@williamfranz6639]

Love one another as I have loved you. This is how they will know you are my deciples. Keep his Commandments including his great Commandment

[@johnhaggerty4396]

I live in Glasgow, Scotland, and the other day (November 15 2021) I noticed 14 titles by Richard Rohr on the shelves of Pauline Books and Media Centre. I could not find any book answering Rohr's many heresies, and the only Protestant bookshop in our city centre (Faith Mission) has closed permanently.

[@yjk5737]

Would be interested in hearing your take on Brené Brown. Have heard a counselor affiliated with church sing her praises and know a lot of friends are fans. What I've read on The Gospel Coalition is mixed with one of the more recent pieces being more critical of the self-focused side.

[@samknobeloch503]

Thanks for your great work, Alisa!

[@HoldToChrist]

Where are the links to where you got the quotes?

[@brianrenk4000]

Excellent video. I am thankful for all that you are doing to expose the dangers of PC. Btw looking forward to reading your book.

[@lindamcauley4728]

I am a mature lady, I would like to study the bible. I have no experience in this field but have always loved Jesus. Can you advise me on the best way forward? I am finding discernment difficult. TIA

[@newdawnrising8110]

Christianity has many different levels of understanding and revelation to its adherence. The blood sacrifice is the lowest most basic understanding. It was mostly told by Paul who was writing for Jews and appealing to their understanding of God. But Christ came to reveal a higher level of understanding. One of “let them become as one as You and I are One so that in this place that I stand they too can stand.” Modern evangelicals follow the most very basic idea that God the Father needed a blood sacrifice. But Christ healed and saved without asking anything except for them to change. There is forgiveness through out the Bible. Jesus was not atoning our sin like a blood sacrifice. It all runs much deeper then that. Look into the early church understanding of the incarnation, the trinity and Resurection. Salvation goes much deeper then blood sacrifice. Like the father said” I desire mercy not sacrifice.” Christ said He had to be lifted up so that then all the world would be drawn to Him. This is just the beginning of salvation. Evangelicals are heretics that are ruining Christianity with their ignorance. At least Richard is kind enough not to put it all that bluntly.

[@ta503da]

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[@CaryHawkins]

Eye-opening. Thank you!

[@ollezimmerman]

If I may ask, who are you? From where do you get your standpoint on God? Are you a religious scholar or...?

[@mkduffy8804]

I don't know where you get the blessing to be preaching like this, and tearing down Fr. Rohr. Fr. Rohr brings up the confusion in strict biblical interpretation in order to promote each person to consider a practice of quiet contemplation for a deeper relationship with Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. And most importantly, to release from dualistic thinking, which divides humans from their fellow humans.

[@toddrenier8226]

I appreciate the time you have spent on this and appreciate your clear explanations. After the last few years, I believe that we all need to spend more time focusing on our own beliefs and how we can learn to love more and focus on how we can come together in unity. You will know them by their fruits.

[@Will1eHill4plusminusmedia]

You will know them by their fruits, RR work does not need any intro and globally acknowledged AC has 132k subscribers, the fruits of your labor is yet to be seen. Hint speak in tounges or hold a rattle snake or what it is you yanks do

[@lisfong]

This was wonderful! Thank you Alisa!

[@donaldjacobson4184]

Excellent review. Thanks so much. I attended a Presbyterian Church for a while. The pastors were enamored with him. I’m back in the Lutheran Church now. So happy I’m in the LCMS

[@robbchristopher158]

I believe in the eventual universal reconciliation of all. However in all my studying of eternal torment I believe the Eastern Orthodox church has the most sensible version of it.

[@inbetweennames4438]

What does your logo symbol mean?

[@marinalina6348]

I first heard of RR when I was exploring contemplative prayer and thought. Also, looked briefly at Thomas Merton. On the surface, it ministered to where I was at at the time, which was a more quieter, still seeking of God, vs the hypey, lou, grandstanding display of faith. I ironically found them after seeing a Buddhist psychologist, who I was seeing for grief therapy and to treat anxiety after my mother died. I had lost my way with God , and was ready to accept help from anyone at this point as my christian friends seemed very closed off from me and tbh, I needed a "break" from the Christian narrative as I needed to really connect with God and Christ in a different way that I had been, or so I thought. I didn't get too into their writings and most people really wouldn't delve into a theological critique. Maybe he has some merit in promoting a metaphysical experience with God, but I fear they can go astray the more they develop their ideas etc. I want to turn to Christ once again WITHOUT a method, or a formula, or hype, or someone else's rhetoric, I need Jesus purely and simply and am repentant for entertaining other philosophies while I was lost.

[@sobrcelt]

I had a similar journey away from and back to Christianity, finding a need to shake the etch-a-sketch or shuffle the deck if you will, starting all over in my relationship with God while dealing with intense emotional pain, so I put Jesus on hold, so to speak, rejecting what I saw as the angry God of the Old Testament, and explored contemplative prayer and some New Age thought, incorporating a bit of yoga and mindfulness meditations as well, but after a few months, I began adding daily readings of the Psalms back into my morning devotions and meditation, and slowly but inexorably, God gently led me back to Himself, showing me that He cannot be just without punishing sin, but that He is also merciful in having done for me what I could not do for myself by crediting Christ's righteousness to me through faith, even giving me the faith to believe through grace, as I did not deserve it, and now, years later, I read only the Bible and related works (like commentaries) for spiritual guidance. I no longer meditate, practice centering prayer or yoga, and instead, I find myself listening to a lot of discernment ministries like this one and my favorite, Fighting for the Faith, on KZbin while I work.

[@jacquilawrence1837]

Just continue to ask God to forgive you for turning away from His Son and grieving the Holy Spirit and wait on the Lord to restore you back to Him. While you wait, speak to Him and fast and pray. I too grieved the Lord and sensed that distance for a few months. But the Lord heard my prayer and restored me to Him.

[@lynneteorten2890]

Thank you for sharing from such vulnerability. I have felt the same way in trying to manage grief. Rohr talks about the wounded Christ, as Jesus, and this helps so much. Compassion and love that is manifest through the cross is the gift of unconditional union with Christ. Peace to you

I love your work sister. I bought and highly recommend your audiobook.

[@gemu41]

Great chapter! Would be very interesting to listen to a conversation between you, Alisa, and Fr. Rohr or one of CAC’s staff members on this. Have you had the opportunity? I have never heard him debating an “opponent”.

[@MrSASA51]

There is no need for divergent viewpoints to be seen as coming from an opponent- unless of course you have absolute understanding of the truth...... at least Paul understood he could only see ‘through a glass darkly’

[@gemu41]

@@MrSASA51 my point was that i would lika to listen to a talk with Richard and Alisa, not to describe them as adverserys. It seems to me though that Alisa considers Richard to be an adversary.

[@MrSASA51]

@@gemu41 a Apologies I misunderstood your comment but agree completely with your observation

[@GratiaPrima_]

As a Catholic now, I get where he is coming from in fighting the caricature of the Evangelical wrathful, sacrifice hungry God, but he’s gone way too far. Why and how does he believe in the Eucharist in communion (which IS Jesus’ sacrifice) if he doesn’t think the sacrificial death of Jesus was necessary AND Jesus’ obedience to God the Father’s Will? Makes no sense.

[@lilafeldman8630]

I hear ya. You would think that, as a Catholic priest, he would believe that. But he doesn't.

[@GratiaPrima_]

@@lilafeldman8630 right?! Offering the sacrifice of Christ is what the Mass is all about. The “holy sacrifice of the Mass.” This man isn’t Catholic, he doesn’t accept Catholic theology. Sad if I, some convert layperson, can explain Catholicism better than a confused ordained Franciscan. Lord have mercy.

[@jacintowilliamson5597]

I converted to Catholicism a long while ago.. should I leave and go back to my Baptist Church roots???

[@rockyblacksmith]

My first counterquestion would be; What were your reasons for converting?

[@davidpaulcarlson8763]

Thank you for all of your research and clear explanations.

[@MizBee28]

Thank you, I read failing forward and was taken aback by the syncretism and conflating Christ with every spiritual leader. His fatherly vibe almost fooled me. Deceptive wolves in sheep’s clothing are a real problem 💔

[@MrSASA51]

Clearly you didn’t read it carefully enough to remember the book’s title as falling upwards not falling forwards- a common weakness of most comments here. Second hand opinions repeated without thought. Perhaps you are the wolf in sheep’s clothing?

[@daddycool228]

@@MrSASA51 matbr, maybe not. Buy instead of pointing out other people's mistakes why dont you offer you own thoughts for comment?

[@MrSASA51]

@@daddycool228 fair comment but I am not really interested in expressing my views on this media since there are many people doing that already and I would encourage others to explore their own views rather than impose my own….however I don’t always achieve that…..🙃

[@charlesbruneski9670]

@@MrSASA51 so. You don't want to add anything to the conversation and instead just want to criticize others? One broad unproven assumption on your part, and you manage to disparage people personally without engaging their arguments and without supplying an argument of your own. In fact you'd rather not provide any argument of your own. That's literally a worthless way to try to engage in discussion. Your 'argument', (what there is of it,) is meaningless. Not you personally, but your argument. Without having to make any assumptions about you, your motives, or whether you read something or other properly, etc. (Which is what your 'argument' consisted of: an ad hominem attack, rather than engaging in discussion.)

[@charlesbruneski9670]

@@MrSASA51 you would rather not impose your opinion? Yet you clearly gave an opinion of the actions of other people that you couldn't know and provided an opinion of them based on your assumption of those actions. I would say you failed in this regards this time. And as your stated method of engagement is to do it this way, I would suggest you may rarely achieve it. And instead merely give a disparaging opinion of people while claiming not to and not advancing the discussion in ANY meaningful way. I would encourage you to examine your own views on this and how you engage in discussion.

[@dylanmilks]

Great in depth study. Thank you!

[@yourheinness9275]

Girly you are on fire for Jesus. I pray that He bless you and yours until you meet Him face to face on day! I am learning a great deal from you! Bless

[@robphillips3026]

It's like getting directions to a destination, but if you have the wrong starting point, you won't get there. So, if as your starting point, you don't believe in evolution or the age of the universe, and you do believe in Adam and Eve, the six days of creation, and Original Sin, you will end up in a different place than me. You are likely comfortable with billions of people suffering eternal damnation. ( Apparently, most of the people outside of the middle east were throw aways.) Note that the Bible was not printed until about 1455 AD, and even then, most people couldn't read! I was born and raised in the evangelical world, (age 68) and frankly there was a comfort in knowing that I was in the right tribe, and all I had to do was follow the rules, but the aforementioned questions were never discussed. I don't think RR has all the answers, but I'm glad he's speaking to questions that have bothered me for years.

[@marshallalbritton9521]

This is excellent. I live in Nashville. Can you speak at our church?

[@peterrietveld5569]

Thanks for your discussion on Richard Rohr. I recently saw a Facebook post by Philip Yancey which quoted Richard Rohr and I wanted to know more about his beliefs

[@MrSASA51]

then wouldn't it be best to read or listen to what he has to say rather than rely on second hand and ill-informed comment from someone else?

[@peterrietveld5569]

I have learned by listening to Alisa that I trust her opinions and research on the subject of progressive Christianity..

[@leannemoir9095]

I just started reading your book, Another Gospel. And am loving it!! I’m so thankful for you spreading truth. 🙏

[@JohnnyMUTube]

I've followed RR for a while, and yes, I can't make the leaps he makes. Yet I also can't just pretend that a minor deconstruction that led to a deeper study of apologetics is license to throw stones. RR's issue with the protestant, evangelical brand is that it leads to this type of self-righteous legalize. Ravi and Sye sounded like this and it is a guarantee of nothing. I know this will offend some, but I'd sooner be a fool for Christ over equipping myself to judge, and win arguments, via an intellectual pursuit of theological perfection. Which imo is what has become of the evangelical institution, and why I left it.

[@DarrylWhiteguitar]

At a time when so many in the Western world are distracted by the avalanche of events and are losing the ability to reflect in peace, messages like that of RR appeal to many that might be repelled by evangelicalism. They have the added advantage of not putting off those who expect any spiritual teaching not to conflict with scientific naturalism, which so many young people accept as common sensical. Let the evangelicals appeal to some and the RRs appeal to others, and be thankful spirituality still gains attention in our overly materialistic, turbulent world. For those that can hear it, if you want to know what the Bible teaches and especially the teaching of Jesus, I recommend Bart Ehrman. To know what has been made of those teachings, read the history of the church (in its many branches) by qualified (preferably disinterested) historians. But know this: Christianity has been changing since its inception, not always for the better, and it will continue to do so. Evangelicalism has been greatly discredited by its own hand and should spend more time searching within itself for spiritual resources and less time deriding others for the forms of their searches. Peace.

[@OEMFlores]

Bravo Alisa! wonderful presentation!

[@Fireplug52]

As I listened to and watched this video, I was struck by the insight and declarations that Alisa was presenting against anything this man Richard Rohr had pronounced. My walk, though one of sin against God, have recently learned that "apart from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" there is no other god" and the evidence presented here in this video made very clear that Rohr is not the way to the one and only God and even the words of Jesus made it understandable to me, when he said, "I am the way and the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me". Alisa's presentation is food to my soul and I am thankful that her knowledge and experiences is now being shared with many. I thank Alisa for all the work she does in defending the faith. Her experiences has been given over to the faith and trust in the Lord Jesus and as well gives the viewer of this video and so many others an small glimpse into the heart of our Lord. The title teacher is one that should be applied to Alisa.

[@marthawissmann8268]

Actually the Cosmic Christ, I think, starts from Thellhard de Chardin ( sp?) from the 1950’s. I look forward to your upcoming video you spoke about. So far I just don’t think you get how mystics look at things. I would also like to hear what are the good things you get from his idea. Anything? Please tell me something good.

[@joeypchajek]

Most mystics I know naively do things they have very little understanding of, do think think can obtain enlightenment through practices made up mostly by channeled beings and take people like Alice Bailey, Annie Besant and LeVay seriously. They also think it makes sense to merge religions that are in contradiction to each other, one example is yoga and Hinduism and Christianity. Basically most mystics I know have naively been lured into things based on how attractive, enchanting and beautiful they sound vs diving and researching the theology and philosophy behind each practice, as well as the history of the teachers.

[@hawktalk639]

@@joeypchajek Sounds like you should meet some better mystics!

[@thebuttersnob]

Another awesome video. I’m so sorry but could someone please direct me to where I could find a place to purchase tops similar or identical to what Alisa is wearing? I’ve been looking for that exact top for MONTHS. I’m sorry for being so random

[@User_Happy35]

If you search for "embroidered peasant tops" you should find similar ones.

[@freeyourglow]

John Mark Comer recently cited Richard Rohr as an influence to his book/course ‘Practicing the Way’. Tyler Staton and Dr. Tim Mackie (Bible Project) have been supportive of Comer’s work. They are all connected through Bridgetown Church. It’s been so disheartening realizing this - as I have followed them as teachers for a long time. It would be awesome to hear your reflections on this!

[@DWCPodcast]

RR's theology is so troubling that you have to wonder what's his appeal. Continued to stand for truth.

[@christopherflux6254]

A ‘non-judgemental’ nice guy Jesus is VERY appealing to the world! Yet it’s wrong.

[@caytieking7642]

Maybe it is your theology and Alisa's theology that are wrong? Who knows?

[@robertgellert1325]

@@caytieking7642 You can know very easily. If they are contradictory both can’t be right. Both could be wrong but both can’t be right. The correct theology is the one that is consistent with what the Bible teaches.

[@MrSASA51]

@@robertgellert1325 so many who express comments like yours assume the is only one interpretation of scripture, their own.

[@rockyblacksmith]

@@MrSASA51 It is one thing to have different interpretations of scripture. It is another to cherry pick it's contents to create a worldview that contradicts the Bible as a whole, no matter which way you spin it. And contradictions are not a matter of opinion.

[@MrSASA51]

Listening again is the speaker saying that in endorsing ‘the scriptures’ Jesus was also endorsing scripture yet to be written? That is, the whole of the NT....

[@marthawissmann8268]

Have you read his book on the Trinity. It’s beautiful!

[@robertdouglas8895]

Alisa doesn't look at all of the Matt 12 passage. In the 7th verse, Jesus says that we are still as God created us, innocent, and we arrive at that understanding through changing our mind, metanoia, forgiveness, not through anyone sacrificing. This looks at mankind as eternal Spirit, not temporary bodies which aligns with Jesus' quote, " Judge not by the flesh but judge by righteous judgment" which is through what Paul calls the Christ mind.

[@richardrice1032]

Alisa, way to go! Many thanks and congratulations for including so many Biblical verses into one video. Fellow viewers, I found the CC, Closed Caption, button to be very helpful, quite useful for pausing the video and looking up the verses she used. I had seen Richard Rohr's name pop up before, but had not taken the time to learn more about him. Not really sure I want to know more about him, to be honest about it.

[@johnc4774]

That was excellent. Thank you.

[@pams51673]

I recently discovered Richard Rohr through my sister. She's very excited about his teachings. Something about it didn't seem right to me. Now I understand why. Please join me in prayer for her and her family. I'm very concerned

[@lkae4]

Same anti-Christ argument as Muslims: Where did Jesus says, "I am God. Worship me?"

[@jasperrahbar-dehghan9744]

Right it’s like read John chapter 1, 1 John, and John 10:30 “I and the Father are one." And God The Father gets worshipped.

[@ryanhikes14ers]

I'm reading through the gospels right now. He definitely says he's God!!

[@whodeytko]

Yup, at its core it’s the same age old doctrine of demons. Man can become ontologically like God or part of the divine. At the core of nearly every other religious system is the same belief.

[@bcw21358]

Early on in his ministry, Jesus chose to SHOW who he is rather than proclaim who he is. In other words, Jesus DOES the things that only God can do, which are implicit claims to his divinity, such as forgive sins (Mark 2:5-12; cf. Psalm 32:1-5, 103:2-3), claim to be Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28), have authority over creation in stilling a storm (Mark 4:35-41; cf. Psalm 65:7, 106:9), take control of the temple (Mark 11:15-19, 27-32), claim his ability to give rest to people who are heavy laden (Matthew 11:28), or even place himself as the “Son” alongside the Father (Mark 13:32).5 A clear example of Jesus choosing to show who he is rather than proclaiming who he is comes after John the Baptist was put into prison and his disciples came to Jesus asking, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” (Matthew 11:3). The reason John’s disciples ask this question is that they, like many of their contemporary Jews, were expecting a royal, conquering Messiah and not someone who, in their eyes, had come to preach and work miracles. How did Jesus answer John’s disciples’ question? Did he just come out and say who he was? No, Jesus didn’t come out and give a simple answer to who he was, but he does it in an implicit way by telling John’s disciples that they would know who he is by the things that he was doing.

[@williamfranz6639]

Short answer, he doesn't say worship me. That is a true statement. He does say follow me.

[@saskiascott8181]

I would recommend the Another Name for Everything podcast to unpack more or rohrs ideas as he is actually very much centred on Jesus. In fact I noticed just now when I was listening to him that I feel called to fix my eyes more fully on Jesus, where I tend to get distracted from Jesus and into works or empty theologising when engaging in more evangelical/fundamentalist thinking such as this channel encourages.

[@grayexperience]

A great podcast. I wish more folks would listen to each side extensively.

[@tamibell4888]

I do not know much about all this stuff or Richard R, but I just started researching info about him an it appears he gets a lot of his stuff from automatic writing 🤔 So I looked up "automatic writing" 😬🤔

[@Tylerstrodtman]

27:45 exactly why I bristle every time I hear someone use the term "Biblical character." Characters are in stories, historical accounts are about real people. Awesome video!

[@PaulWestonEden]

Thank you, Alisa.

[@walkitoff117]

It's not only millennials.....I've sat in conferences with hundreds of Richard Rohr friends and not many were millennials. I've heard probably every kind of Gospel preaching on the menu and for me and many many others, Richards teachings bring us so much closer to God. I often just dial up Rohr's videos on KZbin and let them play in the background as I go about my work.

[@user-xm5le5ok2r]

Thank you! I'm not a Millennial. I'm a borderline Gen X and Boomer. I've enjoyed Richard's teaching, it's been a breath of fresh air for me.

[@loretomazzola403]

100% agree! Richie is a jem!

[@kevinevans8892]

Rohr is a false teacher. Compare his teachings with the Bible and the difference will become obvious

[@dimashdearsdownunder]

I have so much respect for Richard Rohr! His teachings have deepened my spiritual journey and my love for God and others. I would not have stayed a christian without his input. There is a way of understanding God as a God of love and see who Jesus really is. I thank God every day for brave souls like Richard Rohr who help us truly open our spiritual eyes. ❤

[@user-xm5le5ok2r]

@@dimashdearsdownunder Totally agree!

[@jennesset1102]

So well done!!! Thank you for digging into the false teachings of Rohr. God bless you.

[@davidolson8537]

Not false.

[@robertmarriott584]

Not false at all..you maybe just dont understand

[@brendanbutler1238]

If he's a Franciscan I would be surprised if he hasn't been forbidden by his order and the Church for teaching error. But then under the Pope Francis pontificate the Church seems to be going to pot.

[@OpenSafe17.11]

Thank you for this video!!

[@jesussaves6805]

Devil is the father of lies ( deceptive ) mixes the truth with lies with brings deceit !!

[@highlightning6693]

If PBS speaks highly of him then you know right away he's not speaking the truth of the Lord.

[@LouisaWatt]

Anyone who can become a media darling is serving a different agenda

[@ryanhikes14ers]

Ha! Agreed. That's a red flag!

[@loveycat5474]

Opra likes him too.

[@highlightning6693]

@@loveycat5474 there ya go! Another solid clue to his heresies. lol

[@MrSASA51]

@@LouisaWatt like the speaker on this podcast?

[@dollymadison2397]

I'm confused bc Melissa Dougherty highly recommended a book by Richard Rohr he wrote (speaking against some kind of numerology type thing.)

[@jeanwanchen1]

Was this a long time ago? Perhaps Melissa hadn't realized RR's false teachings at the time? False teachers could speak _some_ truth some times, and that's what makes them tricky to figure out. RR would be right to speak against Numerology, but that doesn't make his gospel message true.

[@peggydangerfield9668]

I highly doubt that Melissa Dougherty recommended a Richard Rohr book. I would need to see the link.

[@cherilynlarsen8104]

This presentation is well written and well researched! Thanks so much for the prayer, time and thought you put into this presentation! What a blessing to hear. I was saved after getting out of a yoga cult so I am very sensitive to new age teaching dressed up as Christian doctrine. Thank you for the hard work you have put in, in exposing this teaching. You are protecting uninformed innocents.

[@MrSASA51]

which Richard Rohr books have you read?

[@KosinskiStudio]

I came out of the Roman Catholic Church and it was no less than a wonderful salvation the Lord had done, in saving me alive out of a deep well. Whenever I hear of anybody teaching from within the Roman Catholic system, whatever disorders they belong to, especially any contemplative one, I am very careful in case they are preaching from a New Age philosophy, especially. Thank you for the well researched presentation, most helpful

[@trupela]

He’s not a progressive. He’s a mystic. There’s a difference. Progressives like some of the things he says. They certainly don’t take on all of his ideas. They use him to prop up their own ideology. Richard Rohr is a wise sage. Btw, penal substitutionary atonement is a recent idea that is read back into the scriptures. Brilliant thinkers like WLC do this all the time. We all do this. Doctrine develops and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. We wouldn’t have Girard’s perspective on the atonement if that was not the case.

[@st.mephisto8564]

Absolutely

[@bobdenney4267]

Go onto a Alisa site and it's all "Go Alisa! Right on." Visit a Richard site and it's all "Go Richard. We love your words." The current state of Christianity and our country. I'm saddened by the number of people in their 20's and 30's who have abandoned organized religion, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised. We Christians spread, "Love your neighbor if you agree with them, condemn them if you don't."

[@matthewbaugher8155]

You really should have a conversation with Rohr about these points! It'd be great :)

[@alexandralanier1380]

Genuine question: how does Jesus referring to Old Testament characters and stories mean that he was affirming the Old Testament as historically accurate? I often refer to Old Testament characters and stories because the stories have value and lessons to teach us. But I don’t believe these stories are real history. So referring to and learning from the Old Testament doesn’t necessarily mean taking it as literal historical fact. Of course Jesus used the Old Testament scriptures to teach, because he was speaking their language, teaching them in a way they would understand.

[@Nyny.1000]

If he is denying the exclusivity of Christianity, he cannot mix or add Christianity with anything else because that conflicts with the core of it. Unless you change the definition of most of what makes Christianity align with the Bible.

[@davidstevens6654]

Thank you so much for this!! God Bless..

[@Grace-fc8zx]

Comprehensive research and courageous to call out a 'big man'. There is a difference between fact and wild imagination. A hundred thumbs up!

[@jeremyb4102]

Trying to sell a book by defaming someone. This tells me all I need to know. #noclass #petty #dontbefooled

[@bio.Luminescence]

“So that they might seek God-though they might perhaps grope their way toward him to find him, even though he is not far from any one of us. For in him we live and move and are, as indeed some of the poets among you have said: ‘For we too are his offspring.” Acts 17:27-28 God created the Universe and obviously transcends it, but his spirit is immanent everywhere and in everything. God is all in all.

[@KristiLEvans1]

He is separate from His creation. You might build a hot rod, but the hot rod isn’t you. This is a key difference between Christianity and New Age panentheism.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Divine spark…. Universal Christ….Rohr’s theology isn’t new, it’s just repackaged. It assigns the burden of divinity to man and matter

[@robertbeach6446]

I appreciate your podcasts for introducing me to teachers and concepts I had never heard of but am interesting in learning more about.

[@andrenotgiant]

Lots of self loathing I’m reading in these comments. Imagine living your whole life thinking that your creator only sees you as a piece of garbage.....even after accepting Jesus as your Savior.

[@thomasbassett4905]

A holy bashfulness is better than self-love.

[@andrenotgiant]

@@thomasbassett4905 That's a new term... "holy bashfulness"? Is that what they call self-loathing these days? I don't think you understand that balance can be found in life. Most Christians I know and grew up with live in a very dualistic world. You're either self-loathing or you're self-loving (proud, and estranged from god), nothing in between. You're either in the tribe and speak the same language as the status quo, etc. or you're a heathen, back-slidden, worldly person who is estranged from god. Imagine having a relationship with your spouse or parent, that after 20 years your relationship can only be described with the term "holy bashfulness". I don't believe in a God that thinks so poorly of His creation.

[@thomasbassett4905]

@@andrenotgiant God does not think poorly of creation. He loves it! He thinks poorly of mankinds moral state. God's creation is intrinsically good because it was made by Him. 'Holy bashfulness' is a very old term used a lot by the Puritans and reformers that refers to a deep repentance for one's sin. We are to hate our sin, but respect our bodies and souls as good creations of God. I prefer the term self-respect to self-love because love by nature is reciprocal. The problem is that today's secular culture links self-love to self idolatry. Thus, we have a crooked generation of narcisitic people. I agree, people do take self loathing to far, to the point in which they hate things other than their sin, but narcicism is a more dangerous problem in today's culture. Also, I don't like dualistic thinking either. God bless you.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

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[@miriameicher2942]

Great video thanks for sharing!!

[@zhmw]

I have learned a lot about Jesus and God through Contemplative Christianity, and I have learned from other Christian denominations but I really don't like nor appreciate when Christians critic, misunderstand and then, put down other Christians. There are many different Christian denominations and I support religious freedom -- within Christianity. I believe our focus is be on Jesus and not on judging other Christians and their beliefs and faith. If I want to learn about the Catholic church, I will ask Catholics. If I want to learn about the Evangelists or the Episcopalians, then I'll ask them about their understanding and faith in the Bible. I don't follow nor believe everything Richard Rohr says or teaches, nor do I follow blindly any other Christian leader or speaker, but I do appreciate his teachings about God's love. I PRAY directly to God for His understanding and wisdom. I do believe that Alisa Childers is a woman of God and a Christian. But I also believe that Jesus loves all Christians of all the different denominations who follow His teachings and His two commandments of loving God and loving our neighbor.

[@rainastor4789]

Wise and loving words. I wonder if Christians even begin to understand what this looks like to outsiders? As an outsider myself, I don’t leave here thinking, “Oh! I want to be one of them!”

[@elizabethh18536]

It’s not unloving to point Christians away from unbiblical teachers. It’s the opposite of unloving.

[@rainastor4789]

@@elizabethh18536 unbiblical according to whom? With all the versions of what it means to be “Biblical” what makes you think you are the ones that magically stumbled into the only correct minuscule corner of truth? It’s Biblical to say “Women shall be saved by childbearing.” Its in there. There are a lot of gems like this that “Biblical” Christians ignore. So you are just thumping your opinion, same as anyone else. You just do it in a very proud way. I recognize that sounds harsh and I apologize. But this is a deep soul sickness to me. There is no Christian out there, no matter the “brand” who, upon getting a following that lifts them out of obscurity, are not immediately picked apart by other Christians in a zealous watchdog frenzy. Do you REALLY think this cannibalizing of brothers and sisters in Christ is what Jesus envisioned? Does standing on our particular theological real estate trump love? Is fault finding and nit picking the true Christian calling? I would be afraid to ever write a book or launch a ministry that I felt called to do, not because of atheists, but because of Christians. You all are chewing on a mans life work, with blood on your chins, and you feel so justified. Wow. It makes me feel queasy.

[@elizabethh18536]

@@rainastor4789 Nothing I said was proud, I’m referring to what Bible scholars say. There are many Bible scholars who disagree on certain points but have a lot of overlap in agreement- I listen to evangelical, Calvinist and Catholic theologians regularly and there are core principles all can agree on. If your theology conflicts with 90% of seminarians, it’s probably because it’s unbiblical. And no, women cannot be saved by childbearing. You have to understand covenants and context and not just cherry pick one random phrase. When in doubt look at historical Christianity and what centuries of theologians have determined. Christianity is not just about “loving each other” without talking about sin, because if it were, then the redemption of the Cross would be unnecessary. If we didn’t need salvation, then we don’t need Jesus at all. Jesus is the ultimate example of love and Jesus was not afraid to call out false teaching. I’m not thumping anything, I’m just saying that it’s good to call out false teaching. Christians are not called to be accepting of every teaching or every belief, but that doesn’t mean we can’t show mercy to people we disagree with.

[@franka2743]

Okay. 2 questions: Why does the Bible lay out a protocol for dealing with Christians whom have lost their way? Why does Paul tell us that we *do* have a responsibility to judge each other within the Church but to leave the disbelievers to God?

[@ralphstarling6707]

Love the teachings of Richard Rohr. He showed me that 'God' was so much bigger and more loving than the 'God' I was introduced to in my church. Love his book, The Universal Christ!

[@BaronReed-rj9rz]

Hopefully you will catch up one day. When you're Christianity becomes about you it's no longer Christianity!

[@ralphstarling6707]

Bless you Baron! May God give you what you need most!@@BaronReed-rj9rz

[@praisethenameofyah7644]

Could you please do a video about William Paul Young?

[@richardrice1032]

Alisa used a word that I, and perhaps others, was not familiar with: "hermeneutic", which can either be an Adjective or a Noun for "interpretation".

[@bobdenney4267]

Greatly enjoyed the video. I'm still a big Rohr fan and embrace his views of openness, forgiveness and love, but always appreciate civil dialogue even if we don't fully agree with each other. After all, we are ALL made in the image and likeness of God.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Bob Denney, what could a man say that was more than what the God/Man taught? Actually, Adam was made in the image of God but if you look in your Bible, Seth was made in the image of Adam. We have been moving further and further away from the original with every generation

[@hartmanout150]

@@michaelbrickley2443 I never saw/understood it that way ! Interesting, thanx !

[@thewholemessprinciple]

@@michaelbrickley2443 Richard Rohr is not the inventor of what he is trying to communicate. I knew I aligned with him before I ever heard him speak, because of what people coming out against him are saying! Hahaha. The Son of Man said all that could be said during his time, and even today that message is not heard for what it is. We are finally beginning to figure that out, and Richard Rohr just happens to have found a communicable method.

[@ServantofGOD__]

“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, but I want you to be wise as to what is good and innocent as to what is evil.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭16:17-19‬ ‭ “See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.” ‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭ Richard Rohr is a false teacher and heretic. I encourage you to do a thorough vetting of this man. Pray. Study. Obey.

[@oneman4412]

He also looks kindly on yoga. As someone who was enslaved by new age and suffered greatly from it, I had serious doubts about him after this. Thanks for you insight.

[@sirace6]

Thank you

[@dawnmuir5052]

Very interesting and a defensible critique of Rohr's hermeneutic. I would love to hear your thoughts on the God of Violence in the OT vs the God of Love in the NT and what you believe accounts for the difference, if there is one, or what provides continuity if there isn't. If there are existing discussions on this already, would appreciate knowing them. Thanks.

[@Monpris0590]

The book Another Gospel ? Addresses these subjects, it's available on Hoopla if your local library subscribes to the service.

[@Listening4Gabriel]

Excellently done!

[@jesussaves6805]

The Bible does not mention universe or universal ) mention the earth or world we live in ,I don’t know him but we have to be careful 2corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[@michaelmorais6206]

A very thorough and Biblical presentation that thoroughly refutes a false teacher.

[@keithwiebe1787]

While falsely believing a Jesus of Trump.

[@KeithGiles]

I wish you would talk with an actual Progressive Christian who could correct SO MANY of your wrong assumptions. I'm available anytime and I'm not looking for an argument but a friendly conversation about what Progressives REALLY believe.

[@rainastor4789]

I wish I could hear a conversation like that.

[@matthewdyer2926]

I have had said conversations with progressive “Christians” and Alisa Childers is on point.

[@KeithGiles]

@@matthewdyer2926 I'm an actual Progressive Christian and she's so off base it's unreal.

[@matthewdyer2926]

@@KeithGiles that’s the thing about progressive “Christianity”; once a person has veered from the safety and rock of God’s written word, the errors that that person can fall into are in all different directions. Progressive “Christianity” is a broad spectrum of errors, so your brand of error may not look exactly like the next guy’s. What does unite progressive Christians is their low view of Almighty God, and by extension their low regard for his written word. All the wide array of errors gush from that polluted fountain.

[@saskiascott8181]

@@rainastor4789 me too

[@rainbowgames1]

How’s this for exclusionary? “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” Or: “"How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven." Or when Jesus tells of the rich man and Lazarus: “The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.” Sounds pretty exclusionary. You would have to be either ignorant of or arbitrarily, selectively dismissive of many of the most basic and well known biblical accounts of Jesus and his words to be taken in by Rohr’s claims about him.

[@du0374]

Would you label Richard Rohr as a Progressive Christian or more of a New Age teacher?

[@Brootalisaurus]

Historically speaking, penal substitutionary atonement was popularized by Anselm, which was centuries after the New Testament writings were penned. Redemption and Christus Victor are two other atonement theories that predate the popularity of substitutionary by quite a bit. A final piece to keep in mind is the association between Jesus’s crucifixion and Passover, which isn’t Yom Kippur.

[@mikeb2207]

Thank you for your opinions… They appear heartfelt. Fr. Richard Rohr has been lifesaving in my walk back to God. I am thankful God can speak to us in languages each of us can hear, as my sister told me years ago. I’m not a millennial, and my vote is wise sage. ☮️

[@kevinevans8892]

The God of the Bible or the god of New Agers?

[@joeypchajek]

This entire comment is condescending.

[@keithwiebe1787]

@@kevinevans8892 God of the new or old Testaments? The God of Trump? Which one are you comparing it to?

[@user-xm5le5ok2r]

I struggled for almost 20 years with certain issues in my life listening to evangelicals preachers. But when I changed, all I know is, since listening to Richard Rohr, Michael Beckwith, Wayne Dyer, and Caroline Myss my life has changed for the positive. I’m at peace with God, myself, and others. My walk with God has never been like this. As the man in scripture who once was sick stated, all I know is, "I'm healed." To each his own. So, be careful what you say isn't of God and is of God.

[@theeternalinquirer5462]

I'd also recommend Thich Nhat Hanh and David Bentley Hart. They helped me spiritually a lot and I think they could be useful for you too. God bless!

[@James-itm]

@@theeternalinquirer5462 Wow…I’m practicing daily meditation in my life. Thanks for sharing! Blessing to you.

[@TGuard00014]

Just curious how you define “evangelical”? This word is extremely confusing to me because there is the dictionary definition but that doesn’t line up with how many churches describe themselves (there are many denominations that fit the definition which aren’t generally considered evangelical). Then there are churches that would consider themselves evangelical but other evangelical churches don’t recognize them as such. Then there are churches where the denomination might be recognizable as evangelical but the word is never really used so parishioners wouldn’t recognize the church as evangelical even if it technically is. So when you say evangelical preachers what do you mean?

[@user-xm5le5ok2r]

@@TGuard00014 Evangelical, my definition; Pastors who teach and believe that the Bible is the literal word of God, especially to accomplish their personal view and agenda. I believe God's plan is for us to seek truth that leads to wholeness in all aspects of life spiritually, personally, and globally.

[@TGuard00014]

@@user-xm5le5ok2r Your definition would include the Catholic Church and Western and Eastern Orthodox Church and Coptic Churches as evangelical, as they all officially hold that view of the Bible. So would you consider all those churches to be evangelical?

[@chrisjohnombiga4158]

im always looking forward to watching your videos Alisa, pls don't stop making these.

[@peterroselle7612]

The best commentary on the sermon on the mount that I have found is a book called The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard. I highly recommend it for amazing insights on Matthew chapter 5, 6 snd 7.

[@robertdouglas8895]

Rohr was saying that God is not a god of vengeance like in the Adam and Eve story, giving punishment for mistaking the right lesson and teacher for God, but He is God of mercy in the story of the Prodigal Son. We are all included in God's kingdom regardless what we think because we will all change our minds eventually. The world of the prodigal son gets too painful without God in it.

[@williamfranz6639]

God fassioned clothing for Adam and Eve out of Animal skins. That assistance would not be punishment. And in terms of being cast out, God's concern was becoming ," like us," while within the garden.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@williamfranz6639 So we have the power to change what God created, or when we left the Garden/ heaven, we just THINK we can change truth. The prodigal son made up his own inheritance, one of lies, not truth.

[@williamfranz6639]

@@robertdouglas8895 The Prodical son did nothing righteous. So we agree. Yet the lesson of the parable was given to the righteous son who pointed that out specifically. ( Hint). In terms of change what God created I think Rohr has a good point. Genesis 1 precedes Genesis 3 chronologically. In Genesis 1, each paragraph ends," and it was good, and it was good, and it was good, and it was very good. In terms of change, you can only do that by a return to the original state because all of creation was good. The problem does not begin until paragraph 3.

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@williamfranz6639 The "righteous" son wasn't really where he thought he was. He was jealous and judgmental so he was not actually at his father's home/ inheritance but he thought he was saved. Any time you see yourself better than another you haven't made it home yet, but everyone here is in this state. What the prodigal son did that was righteous was realize there had to be a better way and he wanted to return to God. He didn't already think he was there. We are just remembering what never changed in God's kingdom. It's just a process of waking from the dream. Adam went into a deep sleep (God didn't do that to him). the Bible never says that he woke up.

[@williamfranz6639]

@@robertdouglas8895 Honestly, to me the righteous son was basically what he thought he was. God thought so also. That son was welcome to everything the father had, and always did. His blind spot was that his father loved the Prodical son always and unconditionally. God makes his rain on the just and unjust. That is a hard pill to swallow for righteous men. The Prodical son is starving and eating worse than pigs. His motivation is to eat. His father offers restorative justice rather than retributors justice for his transgressions. Read closely! The father sees the Prodical in the distance. He moves towards him and rejoices before they reach each other.