A Tier List Of (Problematic?) Musical Theatre Couples

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Welcome to our channel! Today, we're back with a tier list of musical theatre couples!
There are obviously a lot of musical theatre couples out there, so let us know if you want a part 2!
We hope you enjoy!
Sam & Ryan

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

We all know jd and Veronica are the problematic couple we all hate to love

[@tiffany02020]

Those harmonies 😭 like just kill me it’d be kinder haha.

[@hailee9620]

*literally shoots someone* …. I worship you Everyone: AWWW

[@greylikehearts]

Jd and Veronica are that couple that we love and want to be like a standing ovation but can’t because of Jd

[@jer9grant]

I wish you had a tier for "Rescue this person" because the way Eliza would slot right in there.

[@ohhmangos]

Same for Veronica tbh.

[@AudrieSaint]

“We can’t give it to the ice lesbian…” BAHAHA we need a tear list of Ryan quotes because now they’ve slipped into my daily conversations😂

[@sorrynotsorry6]

Omg yess

[@kenadiepercival]

NO FRRR

[@Becca_TheWorm]

Ha yes we do

[@lauraelizabeth1117]

Fav Ryan quote yet

[@kenadiepercival]

@@lauraelizabeth1117 fr 😭

[@unique_handle_]

Tier list ideas: Disney couples, villains in musicals, parents in musicals, and costumes/style in musicals

[@ashleydavis1611]

I would love to see their tier list of parents in musicals

[@emalaw1329]

​​@@ashleydavis1611 my mind immediately went to the Wormwoods in Matilda, and for wildly different reasons they could be equally placed in top and bottom tier. Also it'd be funny to throw in the parents from Rent in there and have the representative image just be an answering machine.

[@musicalfrog6143]

So ready to see the tier Veronica and JD get placed in 💀

[@kaitlyn.444]

That Abraham Lincoln joke was too good 😭💀

[@ihaveanamexd4466]

I audibly gasped

[@bibatskingdom]

I'm tempted to send this to my us history teacher because he likes musical theater and we are studying Lincoln right now.

[@kaitlyn.444]

@@bibatskingdom You should that would be so funny

[@emalaw1329]

My respect for Sam as a person and entertainer skyrocketed at that moment, I wanted to shake her hand thru the screen

[@margaretschafer8587]

I wish Ryan would explain why he doesn't like Aaron Tveit, I desperately need the tea

[@jadesavvy]

I would love a Part 2 with Evan Hansen and Zoe Murphy, Jeremy Heere and Christine Canigula, Cady Heron and Aaron Samuels, Seymour Krelborn and Audrey Fulquard, and so on :D Thank you guys for the amazing content, you two are so sweet and entertaining at the same time!!

[@cursedkaleidoscope]

Ooh yeah! And maybe Orpheus and Eurydice, Roxie and Amos, and Raul and Christine

[@yana.mp3]

Yes please!!! Also maybe dimitri and Anastasia, Katherine and Jack, dr pommeter and Jenna, Vanessa and usnavi!

[@ohhmangos]

@@cursedkaleidoscope Yes!! I really need to see where they put Orpheus and Eurydice-- their songs are too good it makes me love them way more than I should😭

[@cursedkaleidoscope]

@@ohhmangos Orpheus and Eurydice are my favorite THEYRE SO GOOD

[@wuttatota148]

I was actually rooting for Alexander and Eliza but purely because of Eliza. She deserves to have her love reciprocated and to be treated with the same love she gives Alexander. She's such an amazing woman so i was rooting for them to fix their relationship and for Alexander to change for Eliza and the kids, but the moment Alexander changed and realized his mistakes he died wtf at least let them be happy 😭

[@toriwilliams4170]

You should do this again with more couples!!! I’d love to hear your thoughts on couples like Jenna and Dr.Pottimer (waitress), Anastasia and Dmitri (Anastasia), Tracy Turnblad and Link (hairspray), Penny and Seaweed (hairspray), and Evan Hansen and Zoe (dear Evan Hansen).

[@Shae29]

Ooh Evan and Zoe are a great one to do!

[@danielrobinson7350]

@@Shae29 really problematic.

[@CecilIsDrowning]

Also Whizzer and Marvin from Falsettos

[@lemonmoonlavender]

how is anastasia and dmitri problematic??

[@AndaraBledin]

Audrey and Seymour from Little Shop of Horrors would be great, too.

[@DempseyKDrawing]

The way I’d put JD and Veronica above standing ovation because I’m a heathers Stan and I think that If he wasn’t an unaliver they would’ve been cute

[@bryannarook976]

Hear me out but I think he's better insane....

[@Lea-gb2up]

I am absolutely in love with the whole Moulin Rouge production, especially Aaron's Christian. 💞 But everyone has their own taste. Love your videos! 🤗

[@allyssadanieli5951]

Ryan is so valid for shipping Alexander and Angelica (from the POV of the musical I’m not talking about historical accuracy) Eliza was just a perfect house wife for him but I think Angelica would’ve been such a better intellectual match for him not that Eliza wasn’t intelligent she just wanted to find love whereas Angelica wanted to see change in the country same as Alexander I think if she stayed in America and her and Alexander fought for these things together they could’ve done so much

[@WelcomeApathy]

I do wonder what they would have accomplished together. But at the same time, Eliza is basically the reason we know of him as much as we do, not to mention all the other things she did and the other people she recognized. Alexander and Angelica easily could have just burnt each other out. Eliza was the stable force that Alexander needed to keep coherent, after a life of instability. Consider what a hot-head he was. It's shocking he didn't die during a duel much earlier. Or just work himself to death. She was the reason he was the man he became, even though it seemed like she was in the background. Also, historically, I'm pretty sure Angelica was already married when they all met.

[@DizzyStrawbeary]

they could’ve done so much more if they only had time!!

[@s_murphy]

i am dead at sam with the lincoln joke and hitting her mic😂

[@caitlynblocklinger373]

Personally I absolutely love Moulin Rouge broadway (more than the movie) so I am so curious as to why they don’t! Also curious as to why Ryan doesn’t like Aaron, because I just think he is amazing!

[@anastasiaocejo7829]

I’m wondering the same!!

[@toby_thee_bee3895]

Jd and Veronica are the couple we all want to work out but can’t because of jd’s ways

[@lauraelizabeth1117]

My daily dose of Sam and Ryan. Always makes my day better ❤️❤️❤️

[@Jasminecasa02]

I NEED TO HEAR THE AARON TVEIT TEA RYAN!!

[@gerwigcore]

PLEASE!

[@iheartbohoboys]

As a dedicated Tveitertot who also loves this channel, part of me wants to know and part of me very much does not.

[@anastasiaocejo7829]

@@iheartbohoboys exactly how I feel lmao

[@emalaw1329]

Personal theory no one asked for: simple envy. It's clear Aaron and Ryan both get typecast as the sometimes sweet, sometimes broody heartthrob (both JD and Christian were even originated as roles by the same person, on the West End), and Aaron has been in the business longer and, to this day, gets more recognition for it in the Broadway community. I'm also guilty of this when it comes to certain famous/local musicians, being one myself, so I wouldn't blame Ryan too much for it, but I feel that at some point game should recognize game. I see their point about him being a little too sexy for certain roles tho, Gabe from N2N comes to mind.

[@Readwithbrooklyn]

Ok we need a whole video on the Aron and Ryan tea

[@quietkidinclass]

What I want out of this world is a happy ending for Veronica and JD, those harmonies need to live on 😩😩

[@lingling8964]

I. KNOW. 😭😭😭

[@matthewlamb5380]

I love this and need a part 2! A few shows to add: Waitress, Les Mis, Spring Awakening. I’d love to hear your thoughts on those shows and their couples. 👍🏼😁

[@ballerinamadi2686]

Satine and Christian my beloved ❤❤ I would love to see your ranking of either musical theatre opening numbers or closing numbers

[@loganwiginton7686]

🎶Creepy Stalker, hiding in the shadows makes girl sing using way too much vibra-a-a--ato. Is he there to hurt her or be her vocal teacher, and why does it always happen late at night? How did this ever seem alright?🎶 Phantom of the Opera in a nutshell (btw this is a parody of Music of the Night by Straight No Chaser)

[@matthewmorris4797]

pleaseeeeeee I need to know why you dont like Aaron Tveit!!!!!

[@ellielovegood6307]

Marvin and Whizzer would’ve been perfect for this

[@PrincessMeggala0913]

“Me and Jessic…I meannnnn Fieyro and Elphaba!” 😂

[@Betsymcdonough]

I am personally a huge Kristanna lover! Kristoff: a guy who doesn’t show his emotions too much and often pushes his more vulnerable emotions away. Anna who isn’t scared to show her emotions and would do anything for those she cares for. They’re perfect because of the lack of type of love and nurturing they both needed growing up. Yes, Kristoff’s troll family was supportive and loving but he didn’t have humans to bond with, and so he was left with a little bit of an attitude towards most people. Anna was shut away all her life and the only thing she desperately wanted was human connection. I don’t know, their stories crossing were meant to be and i just love their characters together.

[@AlixDrawz]

agreed!! and i think they were so cute in the song 'what do you know about love'

[@kinseyhallam8750]

THE LINCOLNS i cannot

[@Leon-pg3qt]

ALWAYS A GOOD DAY WHEN SAM AND RYAN POST!! :))

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

Elphaba and fiyero are my babies no one can touch them 😭

[@alilura1882]

A Couple of Ideas that may be good for TierList but maybe betters as brackets: - Opening Acts of Musicals (Or Finales or the Act One Closing. All are good options) - Chris Pratt Roles - Portrayals of Mental Health in Movies/Tv

[@kenadiepercival]

yall are so cute 😭😭

[@Ghostaroni]

YEAH SAM AND RYAN UPLOADDDDDD

[@bethanyquesnell9316]

Thank you for calling out the problematic couples! As a person who was dealing with a stalker when the Phantom of the Opera movie came out, I am so sick of people stanning a literal villain.

[@brooke____]

I only simp for one JD and that’s Ryan, c’mon this man can SING

[@paigemorabito4770]

When sam said just like Abraham Lincolns head i died laughing and almost spit my water out

[@danielrobinson7350]

Needs the ultimate Standing Ovation couple Nick and Diane from Come From Away. (Except it’s CFA so they make it so you can’t do standing ovations).

[@MountYourHorsesDrawYourSwords.]

Absolutely love the Tier lists! Love ur content. Y’all are great. Also…I think jd and Veronica deserve a standing ovation for how problematic they are. A video idea that I think would be cool would be ranking the people y’all have worked with as actors in theater or television

[@amberdawn5372]

Yes! Emmett and Elle are so great and that show doesn't get nearly enough love! The only change I would make would be putting Alexander and Eliza in rooting for you or possibly power duet. Their reconciliation is just so beautifully done that it wins me back over.

[@trex2259]

I know this isn't related to the video but I performed "meant to be yours" in my school and it was amazing for me, I think it wasn't for the rest of the school.

[@jagodley]

the only one I disagree with is Alexander & Eliza. they would be “we’re rooting for them?” for me ONLY BECAUSE eliza deserves the world! like, alexander is pretty trash and does not deserve her at all, but I want him to change and make things right for her sake 😫 everything else?? perfection

[@_im_THAT_band_kid_]

i know nobody cares but I was watching a random guess the musical and when I saw ryan as hans I screamed “OH MY GOD THATS RYAN MCCARTAN” in the middle of math. my teacher was very concerned.

[@peachsimmer513]

No no no!! you see, we don’t simp over JD because he is dark and mysterious. We simp over JD because he is ryan ❤❤❤

[@KaiOpaka]

I don't know why I clicked on this hoping for tea on people like Sutton Foster/Christian Borle. 😂

[@juliiiv.]

do a tier list of all your tier lists

[@karltrag]

me and my girlfriend are elle and emmett rn in our production of legally blonde, 10/10 tier list

[@ysabella33]

❤❤ Tysm for posting!! Your my comfort channel

[@hannahpaul6805]

Aaron Tveit won the 2020 Tony award for Best Actor in a musical and received a 2020 Grammy award nomination in Moulin Rouge

[@thesparklesquad2142]

I need to know why you don’t like Aaron tavit how can you not love him

[@localdumb_blonde]

I love you guy’s channel and you guy’s are my favorite KZbinrs. You never fail to make me smile and brighten my day😃

[@Nauta222]

the issue with eliza/hamilton is that their relationship is based on a true story, set in a time period where Eliza was just trying to do right by her children, and so it's not really asking us to root for them at all, it's just trying to present every aspect of their relationship and each of their personal and shared traumas. It doesn't quite fit with the other couples because it wasn't scripted by someone in that way :)

[@adelacarrillo7508]

Can we get a part 2??? I need mean girls, Hadestown, in the heights( both Benny and Nina and Vanessa and usnavi) plsplspls

[@ihaveanamexd4466]

First: I absolutely LOVE the theatre tier list videos, they're awesome! Second: I definitely agree with the choices you guys made, but I also had the Falsettos couples in the back of my mid the entire time 🤣 Anyone thinking of other couples? And yes, I am aware that it doesn't encompass all of theatre before anyone says anything. Not a complaint, just genuine curiosity of what everyone else thought.

[@idontknow-xi1tw]

Falsettos is my favorite show so please I love act 2 marvin and whizzer

[@ihaveanamexd4466]

@@idontknow-xi1tw ABSOLUTELY! I love Charlotte and Cordelia and all, but they're so adorable!

[@idontknow-xi1tw]

@@ihaveanamexd4466 i don't like mendell and trina though, i just don't like mendell

[@ihaveanamexd4466]

@@idontknow-xi1tw Same! Whenever I say that everyone rushes to defend him but he's a generally annoying character in a majority of the show

[@idontknow-xi1tw]

@@ihaveanamexd4466 he straight up marries a client of his, who is divorced and has a kid with another man, BOTH OF WHOM ARE CLIENTS OF HIS!

[@IrishElf]

I just realized, oh, my God, it’s Ryan McCartan. I am blind, so, I can’t see peoples faces, and I realized when he said Barrett and I did such a good job.

[@cbells__]

i would want to see Nigel and Portia from something rotten, Jack and Katherine from newsies, Trina and Mendel from falsettos, and Seymour and Audrey from lsoh!

[@bethanywilman486]

It be cool to see this with Disney couples

[@EnnaOverland-xc8qu]

The ONE thing I will say about JD is that I did lose my brother when I was a teenager and I can definitely sympathize. OBVIOUSLY I am not supporting homocide and all the other shitty stuff he does. But he does lose the only stable person in his life and then finally finds someone else namely Veronica to trust and that can form some attachment issues (obviously with JD it's really exaggerated) that's it

[@jimbekind83]

Most people thought AT would win a Tony one day, but it has to eat guys like RyRy that he got it for MR with zero competition. It became an anointing versus a win. Not AT's fault -- blame Covid. I'm sure AT himself would have preferred to win in a field of peers.

[@katekat109]

I was honestly SO confused when I saw Wicked on stage for the first time. I had only ever listened to the Broadway album. I was hyper-focused because I didn't want to miss anything! The running commentary in my head: "OH YAY! Fiyero and Elphaba meet! AW cute they can't stand each other! *me waiting for the character relationship development* Wait. They're singing As Long As Your Mine... WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN!? Did I miss something!? When did HE fall in love with HER!?🧐🧐" 😂😂😂

[@abiclemmons3503]

Love this! You guys never fail to make my day! 😊

[@Asher_Goblin]

Yours never fail to make me laugh and I agree with them all

[@cinnamonrollsandbooks1393]

I respect your opinions except the ones about moulin rouge

[@hannahpaul6805]

The duke is not sexy to me. The song is called Sympathy for the Duke. The Duke introduces himself properly to Satine to the tune of Sympathy for the Devil, You can't always get what you want.

[@your_favorite_person]

i find it sad now that we have to remind people to not glorify murderers just because they're hot... what has society become lmao

[@VictoriaGazzillo]

Thank GOD someone agrees me with me about Christian and Satine in the musical being SO LAME and NOT conveying of the relationships in the movie!!!! Thank you Ryan!

[@ajthebandit]

i ship veronica with therapy

[@LelandMcKinney_]

Ryan doesn’t like Aaron Tveit and won’t explain why? Lost all respect for him.

[@kaitlyn.444]

I love tier ranking videos so much

[@FrancisMabborangOfficial]

I want more of these

[@matthewrandell5055]

Please do another with Curtis & Effie/Deena, Maureen & Joanne, Roger & Mimi, Marius & Cosette, Tracy & Link, The Baker & The Baker's Wife, Tony & Maria, and Charlie & Lauren.

[@theicyfox3600]

NEEDS A PART 2 WITH FALSETTOS

[@annabelle-tv]

Love this sm! You guys are so funny, don’t agree w everything but it’s ok lol

[@lolbitmybeloved3675]

ranking musicals main characters bestfriends maybe??

[@hannahpaul6805]

the musical is based on the film and also the character of Christian he is a romantic, creative, a gifted writer and extremely emotional just like in the Broadway musical. The duke is actually the antagonist in the musical and also in the film

[@brittancandela]

I think a funny tier list would be ranking trendy things people do in LA that aren't as common other places. Examples: eating avocado toast or green juice, going to the super popular restaurants like Nobu, the casual stance on cosmetic procedures/the pressure of appearance, the nightlife scene, looking for photo ops everywhere you go, always going to "events", etc.

[@anoopmenon5571]

Ohhhh yes❤❤❤

[@hannahpaul6805]

Moulin Rouge won 10 Tony awards for best musical and scenic design, costume, lighting and sound design

[@Cadhlathequeen]

The most problematic relationship is Zoe and Even Hansen

[@user.sammyvanityfan]

Haha lmao I'm so impressed by how far you've come! We really appreciate your hard work and effort to make these videos!!! You are an amazing, talented people... we appreciate you so much!!!

[@hannahpaul6805]

he didn't ruin the character of Christian

[@belllllaaaaa1392]

“That butt-“ - Sam 2023

[@SprinkleStar_73]

0:49 “my parents, the Obamas, us” 😭😭

[@kenadiepercival]

tier list of ryans highschool/college productions?

[@isla3048]

I feel like no matter what the actors that play Veronica and jd are always so attractive l feel like that’s part of the audition progress

[@AlliIsNotaGirlkisser]

Definitely. I checked out a few pre-audition description things (idk what they're called) where it's a description of the character and the vocal abilities the hypothetical actor has to have, yeah, JD always has "attractive" or similar adjectives im his description.

[@ellie6475]

Hear me out…… put JD and Veronica in Standing Ovation

[@sanegiyuu_mybeloved]

I feel like there should be a tier just for the people that need to be saved from the other chaotic one (eliza and veronica)

[@hannahpaul6805]

the duke in the film wanted to kill Christian in the movie but not in the musical. the duke storms off out of the cabaret as the couple complete their song. The Duke walks away from the Moulin Rouge finally when Christian and Satine defy him and do their ending.

[@rubytreviss919]

WELL DONE SAM AND RYAN ON 100K

[@angelicalicari8355]

100K live stream? plz?

[@Sophie-kn9zs]

Now I'm so curious what other musicals he was referencing when he said that murderous men falling in love with a woman is the plot of like 9 musicals. Any thoughts? I can't think of anything and it's bugging me

[@Shae29]

Since I’m obsessed with the angels in America revival, here are the ships I’d put into the list: Prior and Louis Joe and Louis Joe and Harper Prior and Harper For Prior and Louis, I had a hard time with them. I wanna say “Power Duet” bc they *are* endgame and we’re supposed to root for them in the end. But at the same time, they don’t share a scene from the ending of Part 1 Act 2, to then the beginning of Part 2 Act 2… For Joe and Louis: Tbh I liked them a lot more than Prior and Louis when I first watched the show. I’d put them in “We’re rooting for you?” Bc they left their partners for e/o and have that bit of intimacy, esp in the beach scene. As for Joe and Harper, it’s straight up “problematic” bc Joe is emotionally abusive, and hiding the fact that he’s queer from Harper for so many years. Adding to the fact that she’s in love with him and he only loves her as a friend, PLUS he’s only “in love” with her bc he finds ways that she’s wrong (ex: the man with the knives). And yes, I’ve over analyzed their relationship way too much😭 Now although that Prior and Harper are never romantically involved, they *are* best friends and are there for each other when they need to be. I’d put them in “Power Duet” bc the other person has an objective look at the other’s relationship, they joke a lot, give each other great advice, all that jazz ❤

[@astrofluffypaws3247]

If you ever do make another couples tier list, I’d love to see Evan and Zoe from DEH, Jeremy and Brooke/Christine from BMC, and May and Francois from & Juliet. amazing video! musical theater ships would also be a fun one lmao (prepare to unleash war in the comments)

[@graysonrae]

ryan: i dont like him :( ... sam: i think hes sexxyy ;D ryan: :((

[@turnipcrazy]

I am whole heatedly feeling Sam's comment about the Duke in Moulin Rouge. I saw the touring production when they came to Seattle, and when I saw how tall and hot the Duke was I was like, can I even hate him? He was so hot I actually had the thought of, Satine has a hard decision here.

[@hannahpaul6805]

let's do compare and contrast in Moulin rouge the Broadway or the film

[@bellarc321]

And of course for all my great comet fans, there’s Natasha and Anatole.

[@Missmoo1994]

As soon as I saw the picture of JD and Vericona. I said problematic

[@hearts.4.felix_yongbok]

For everyone waiting to see JD and Veronica’s rating, here’s the time stamp, 7:35

[@blue_musicals]

there are like 5 problematic ones in itw so if there isn’t at least one i’ll be surprised 😂

[@K_Schmidt]

I think the movie Christian and Satine would still be middle. Christian is way too jealous over Satine doing her job cause she needs to, not because she wants to. Chill bro. Also the "I've paid my *soup*" scene is so BAD. Like in public, ON STAGE, he did her so dirty. That ain't standing ovation worthy imo. Maybe power duet if anything. Ewan is phenomenal but Christian is kinda problematic.

[@Heathersproshotedits1989]

I’m not in love with JD , I’m in love with the actors (not gonna say who ) who play him 😂❤