2024 Corvette E-Ray | Brutally Fast V8 and AWD

The 2024 C8 Corvette E-Ray adds electric power to the tried and true LT2 V8. We discuss the pros and cons with Corvette Engineers to showcase how this technology works and why it exists. After a deep dive into the engineering, we take it for a drive to discuss if the effort and weight were worth it for a nearly $107,000 price tag.
#cars #engineering #business
Index:
00:00 Intro
1:36 The Story and Engineering
6:43 Mechanical Impressions
7:45 Chassis and Suspension Changes
12:08 Brakes and Regen
14:51 Engine, Transmission, and E Motor
17:37 Calibration and RWD - Sideways
18:12 E Motor and Battery
19:43 Cooling
23:01 Driving Impressions
35:15 Final Thoughts

[@Ari--d]

No wonder mark hates corvette. I see this Nissan hat. How much are they paying you? SHILL

[@savagegeese]

Nismo gave me a body kit for my Altima for free, so I wear the hat.

[@Freddy_Confetti]

@@savagegeesemust have been a happy import boy on that day

[@obsidian....]

​@@savagegeeseLUCKY! Fastest car ever made

[@chiemekaa]

@@savagegeese Nothing says BAE like a free body kit!

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Mark also hates blue, he is not "da ba dee, da ba di" like Jack

[@JStryker7]

I’ve already had my pot of black coffee and mowed the lawn. I’ve laced my new balances and clipped in my phone. Now it’s time to watch the KZbin on my Gateway computer and see if I can drive this to the golf course

[@gikigill788]

Are you wearing the regulation shorts?

[@ImOldGregg]

My lawn is better kept than yours peasant

[@Boostedtaco]

Gobbles

[@viscountslappy5085]

False. You should be clutching your pearls and burning those same New Balances in protest of an electrified, mid-engined Corvette.

[@JStryker7]

@@gikigill788 the other pair got some grass stains, but thankfully I have more. I also had to make sure I tucked in my corvette shirt because I’m not a slob

[@scotchbingeington6761]

I appreciate that Mark had the restraint at 23:40 to keep his speed capped at precisely 65 mph

[@JeffManseau]

It's a testament to the Corvette's engineering that it can keep revving up while maintaining a constant and road-legal speed.

[@Swiggityswagger]

@@JeffManseau They are even better than that. A couple minutes after the constant speed Mark floors it and the car actually loses speed. Incredible.

[@camg7960]

New vette confirmed super slow.

[@motofunk1]

@@JeffManseau This is why CVT's are so great. :)

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Seems awful slow for a car than can do a 10 second quarter mile! 😀

[@CarCrazy24]

This is cooler than GM’s internal marketing videos of the E-Ray.

[@BassLegendYT]

Gm has a bad history of marketing, im glad they interview the people who worked on it.

[@lukewalker1051]

@@BassLegendYT They lie. I worked at Chevy Engineering.

[@svgPhoenix]

​@lukewalker1051 yeah and I work for the CIA

[@cbotten106]

perhaps you should keep that on the DL@@svgPhoenix

[@BaldKiwi117]

​@@lukewalker1051you lie. I worked at government motors

[@203132]

The speedo hovering between 58 and 65 during full acceleration killed me. 23:27

[@jissanhuq3792]

lol saw that too. Effin hilarious.

[@jissanhuq3792]

Lol also gave themselves away by stating that the synth sound goes up at 90/100

[@edman79]

​@@jissanhuq3792They clearly stated that those speeds were only reached on track or in Mexico. 😉

[@johnh1932]

wtf

[@retrocompaq5212]

i thought it was the power ratio front/back

[@pipe_dev_null]

Every time I start watching one of these videos, I think.. "there's no way this one could be better than the last one". And then it is. Please don't ever stop making videos. Even if Mark is out on the street and Jack is turning tricks to pay for his low T treatments, please keep it coming with these videos.

[@floodo1]

It’s insane the quality and all the little gems

[@dielaughing73]

Especially then!

[@michaelumhoefer9597]

Couldn't say it better. This channel is what I and the automotive internet need. Detail, nuance, opinion and a bit of subtle trash talk. I love the channel for what it has become the last few years.

[@Viper3048]

I have it on very good authority that one of those things has already been happening for a while now. I won't say which one, you can figure it out for yourself.

[@waynebrinker8095]

Send money.

[@andrewfriedman2572]

I love hearing from the engineers who developed these vehicles. Thank you for your excellent work doing these videos!

[@jackholmes8105]

❤

[@sanhawdang7732]

I dont think you guys have a competitor, the way you do it is so pure and genuine. Keep it up

[@qx4n9e1xp]

Clearly WhistlinDiesel is their competitor. They channels are (Mark's voice) LITERALLY the same! I find myself having to choose between one or the the other when I'm trying to decide which reliable tank to buy.

[@shakethedrummer2351]

​@qx4n9e1xp thats interesting. I looked up whistlin diesel. None of their videos look remotely like Savage Geese. Like comparing apples to steak....

[@jonnyj.]

@@shakethedrummer2351 I mean he's right. When im looking at differing opinions on reviews, I make sure to check out whistlindiesel for a informed, reasonable second opionion on my tank purchase.

[@dillonmealey]

Throttle House maybe, but these guys go way more in depth where as those guys are more fun and quirky. Both great in their own ways!

[@johnshaw3208]

Love the input from the engineers. You guys have a corner on the automotive KZbiners. We love nerding out with the tech details. Please don't stop.

[@vr4787]

The “Like a Rock” @23:40 brought back classic chevy vibes. Would like to see this type of hybrid drive train catch on, breath new life into V8s.

[@HighHorsepower220]

0 to 60MPH in 2.2 seconds, Insane! Best value Sportscar/Supercar on the planet, and I'm a big Porsche fan. 😲

[@jissanhuq3792]

I think they got to 100 in 4-5

[@FreeHazelNuts]

They never got there after hitting a speed limiter set at 62 mph on the B road

[@nafnaf0]

It will be interesting to see what Porsche does with the next 992.2 911, which is rumored to be available as a hybrid for certain trims

[@jmmch3358]

​@@nafnaf0hopefully a 992 GT2RS

[@saltyfloridaman7163]

​@@jissanhuq37920-100mph is 5.8 seconds.

[@adamyahya4638]

I have no idea why people complain about you guys. Aside from hands down one of the best production quality car channels ever, the dry sense of humor is fucking hilarious. I dunno, feel like you guys just keep outdoing yourselves with every new video. Love it!

[@truantray]

It's well done, but SavageGeese is infomercials.

[@Doug-mc3dd]

I always found them both just annoying. Not sure why. Probably because they talk and whine to much. They will say the same thing over and over just in different sentences.

[@otterpods]

@adamyahya4638 agree I find them both hilarious. There’s a scene with Jack drifting in some V8, can’t remember what, where mark goes: “Oh, it’s the Jack Singapore Jungle Gym Machine” Fucking hilarious

[@AndrewB383]

Some people don't get dry humor, so when you do dry humor with them, you just sound weird and annoying. SG has their audience though, and we love it.

[@brianfeeney3936]

​@@Doug-mc3ddthe. don't watch it

[@TheTopher]

that 65-58 mph acceleration tho!

[@undergroundoutlaw411]

Thanks for including the teams input. Really gives the vibes that a passionate, skunkworks style team worked on this car. Shows that this car got a lot of love during development

[@0Freguenedy0]

Love how you included the control engineer. As a pwt calibration engineer I cannot even imagine how difficult it was not only to develop the softwares and codes for the drivability but to calibrate it and have performance... Of course it took years and years and countless hours driving it

[@Carrera_S]

Wow, I’m actually impressed! When I first heard talks about an E-Ray, I immediately thought it was going to be garbage. After watching this entire video, my mind has changed. This will be a really good daily!

[@oneonlyxram]

First off, as an engineer I appreciate the type of depth you guys get into. The E-ray has been a car I'm rather interested in, I have been looking at the nsx, but the lack of tunablity and the v6 are my only draw backs (yes I've driven them). This c8 being a v8 is so appealing.

[@GoGoggansGo]

I think it’s great and it’ll also help with anyone who wants a Z06 because you’ll have cross sale but man if you want a daily driver sports car the E ray is fucking hard to beat they nailed it

[@oneonlyxram]

@GoGoggansGo totally agree, besides there's other cars that are so much better track cars, so that would be a great weekend/daily car I agree.

[@ribbiel]

My personal problem specifically with the NSX is how I feel Honda didn't spend the time to make the car significantly unique. I understand their approach was to make the car extremely approachable and daily driveable, but I've spent time in the NSX and it doesn't give me the "fizz" as Clarkson would say like the original NSX or S2000. I'll absolutely agree that the visibility and driving position is fantastic, but beyond that I have very little interest at it's price point. The Z06 E-Ray (obviously newer) is more entertaining on a drivability standpoint, but also better tuned to give you the fun with approachability. Plus, it helps that cockpit is more bespoke than the NSX.

[@oneonlyxram]

@RobertLe_Sama oh the interior even on the type s is far below where it should be. But having driven them, they are incredible to drive and are the daily "supercar". It was May that says "fizz: 😜

[@laundrieshanging9077]

And cheaper than a nsx……

[@jonathanb1987]

This is the only Corvette C8, let alone electric performance car that entices me. The Corvette E-Ray team kept the fun of a V-8 and added the benefits of the electric motor. It's a win win.

[@carl4737]

Now we understand the purpose of the center console shape and size: battery location. Great job to GM and to you guys for this detailed pres👍

[@Michael-ge3eo]

The purpose of the tunnel in the middle of the car was not for electrification it was to keep it always a removable hardtop and keep the structure incredibly rigid. It turned out that during development it was a very convenient place to put the battery and other electrical accessories needed

[@make_it_nashty7206]

"Little Red Corvette" playing in one of the shots was a nice touch. This video is amazing, thank y'all for your time and energy.

[@thegooddoctor6719]

Great Stuff Guys !!!!!!!!!!!! I loved how you overlayed a fake MPH screen footage over the real one during the test run. Your editing guy needs to work on that a bit more - LOL

[@dmcharley64]

Absolutely...hats off to all the Engineers, Designers, and yes, GM for allowing the public to have a kick ass machine. Props to Savage Geese, nice work gentlemen.

[@JurisKankalis]

This has turned into some defacto high level of automotive journalism TV channel - without the TV part (without stupid ads (well..) rushed interviews and uninterested hosts). Amazing to see how the savage geese humanizes (a goose humanizing... woow) the people behind these (and many other) cars - if previously Ford or GM was just a giant corporation with no face except for the sign on the office block - now we get the opportunity to see people, their motives and explanations behind the cars that we love... or hate (or neither in case of the new Toyota BEV piece of.. something or other). Thanks to savage geese for the videos - keep up the work - from Latvia.

[@markspence3750]

I freaking LOVE Sarab!! He is like a NASA engineer working at Chevy. Chevy got lucky to get Sarab.

[@dawnpoint]

The combo of V8 roar and electric whine is actually sick.

[@faheemabbas3965]

It’s like a supercharger. New Challenger hellcat replacement?

[@brandodurham]

The electric motor even sounds awesome. Amazing car, and now I feel even more at home coming off my golf cart

[@justjeff5096]

Almost a Dodge Hellcat supercharger vib with that wine...when you hear it you know the fun is on!

[@MT-rc3gn]

it is fake sounds played through the cabins speakers lol

[@stupidmonkez]

The detail and care in these videos is amazing. Having like a rock and little red corvette playing in the car on the B roll is something I’m surprised I even noticed and they don’t even have to do but do anyways

[@gtronin2631]

This is exactly how the electric motors need to be implemented into the automotive industry. Perfect street car, that 0 to 60 destroy anyone at a redlight speed is a massive sales point. Great video by the Canadian top gear team, keep up the good work!

[@GOLD_FEVER]

If you want to drive a toaster who's only upside is the speed, sure.

[@IReahpZz]

Will take on most things other than full evs but it’s truly incredible what they’ve done with so little and the price they are coming in at

[@davepaturno4290]

Sadly, non-EVs will soon be banned from being sold. Doesn't GM understand this?

[@wemakecookie]

​@@davepaturno4290Not until 2035 I think

[@davidschmill8250]

Absolutely great, consistent production! And, you give honest, genuine reviews and call it like it is, good or bad.

[@TMM6900]

The speedo is always at 65mph. Pretty cool

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

​@@brownwhale5518it was actually measuring how many miles of a gap it put on your car 🥱

[@mamapapaxp]

Totally. Not to mention that the electric motor sound, which had already been mentioned as kicking in around 90mph (until the motor disengages at around 150mph), seemed to be whining at the 50-65 mph or so that they were travelling. 🏎 You guys... 😁

[@Beer_Dad1975]

The only thing more impressive than what GM have managed with the E-Ray is the quality of this video! Killed it again, Savagegeese!

[@thevanmancan4850]

You guys just had way too much fun working your absolute asses off making a full-scale movie. Holy production quality.

[@BarbWaltersMusic]

Mark makes such a good point, Savage gets people from all jobs from these manufacturers that we usually don't get to hear from and that is so important the audience.

[@rondail5675]

Thanks so much Mark and Jack. Really enjoy the supported tech-talk, engineers.

[@spazzman90]

This guy's videos are on such a level or even 2 above the mass reviews that show up out there. Keep it up. You are on your way to the top.

[@babogam]

thank you Sarab, Trevor and Keith!!!

[@colin-nekritz]

It’s amazing how the faster you went on the backroads the slower you went. Great video as always.

[@mamapapaxp]

True. And yet - somehow - the electric motor sound, which they already stated as kicking in around 90mph (until the motor disengages at around 150mph), seemed to be whining at the 50-65 mph or so that they were travelling...

[@krrk6337]

Always like the tech talk with engineers. Please keep doing that.

[@panamera53]

Ya'll the only KZbin channel I've known who give great documentary videos on the newer automobiles. Keep up the great work we all appreciate it....

[@MR-sx3zz]

I’m sorry, these guys are some of the best out there. The fact that we hear from the engineers with so much detail. I learn so much from these videos. I am able to geek out on all the tech explanation, but your passion for these vehicles still comes through. Thank you!

[@ethandavis204]

I loved the small edit you did to the speedo. Thanks for all you do! Cheers.

[@egonpax]

I wasn’t sure about this E-Ray, but you both convinced me to aim for one! Keep up the amazing work

[@GRSEMETROMALL]

I do appreciate it. It’s the reason why I watch this channel. It’s always been the reason why I watched this channel. The breakdown of the engineering even though I’m not an engineer even though I’m not going to go anywhere near that the more I understand how our car works and why it works the way it works, the better off I am. It’s one of the reasons why I watch Camissa. Horsepower and torque and the numbers, eh, you can you get that from anywhere. I swear to God AI hasn’t helped voice to text. The editing after the speak is still fairly heavy.

[@mobiusalpha]

The long form, in-depth segments you produce are much appreciated.

[@robertseely4469]

Thank for another amazing detailed review of a real departure for Corvette. No one else has done this! Thank you and All who contributed to the production! Well done.

[@srkvhozite2424]

This channel has brought me from not caring about the Corvette at all to it being one of my favorite vehicles with the introduction of the E-Ray. Amazing video

[@rafamierzwa1801]

I simply love the way you test cars and talk about them. 😊 Thanks for another video! Regards from Poland 🇵🇱

[@chevyracing1080]

Wore my jorts and NB’s to work today driving my C7 Z51 - then watched this. Today is a good day..

[@apwurst]

I waited to watch this video on my theater system and was not disappointed! By far this is the best auto KZbin channel! Thank you guys for doing this video and recognizing the engineers who made this product!

[@bryanpaulgilbert7308]

love the content, guys! Also, I want to give props to GM for the amazing engineering they are putting in to some of their recent vehicles 👏

[@Alejandro_BoniIIa]

I love the e-ray for its sound. Having both a great engine and an electric motor mixing their sounds reminds me of listening to a symphony with different instruments. I’ve yet to drive or hear it in person

[@andoniades]

I like the fact they upload early. It's a good listen on the way to the site.

[@gauge1127]

Loved the little "Like a rock" drops. Gave me a good chuckle. Another great video guys!

[@marksuave25]

This is a DAMN good video! Great job guys! Thanks for letting us see and understand where the engineers' heads were when they made the car.

[@joseroldan9247]

You guys are amazing! Please keep up the great work!

[@DIYPrecisionTool]

Another EXTREMELY well done video! Thanks guys!

[@vladberbece]

Thanks! Excellent video as always. The passion of what you guys do really comes through.

[@talkingwithcars]

Definitely cool to hear from the ones who actually helped design the car. And the passion they have is 100% evident ! Hats off the all those creating this 1st generation ERay. Congrats!!

[@zzzfffccc]

Mr Geese’s cinematography is top quality compare to other car-related channels!!! Respect for the work you do!

[@_Makanko_]

Well done. I very much appreciate you guys bringing in the voice/opinions of the people behind the development of this car. Thanks to all involved

[@JumpSquadAuto]

AMAZING review and breakdown of the E-Ray!

[@jswizzlestick]

Damn, that TSP premium footage must have cost a pretty penny. A true display of your dedication to the craft.

[@alexford5214]

Your description of the launch sounds exactly how my GT-R felt. It was something that I felt made the launches feel less visceral. Having been in a cars with lots of RWD torque monsters, the take off felt less “pinned to your seat” with AWD. Even at full bolt on performance, the effect never changed, just the launch/ quarter mile times.

[@thomashussey5159]

So glad you highlighted the importance of the engineers behind the scenes of these amazing vehicles. Too often it’s some marketing executive that is the face of these rollouts. Thanks for all your hard work on these videos. Your dedication is apparent.

[@smurf9857]

Excellent again gents! Always appreciate the engineering/ engineers content. Keep it coming!

[@sbg.peacemaker]

Thanks to both the engineers and savagegeese for making this content possible. You guys seem to have the right approach with incorporating the people who are behind the scenes and never get the time of day to talk about what they did during the cars process. I think its beneficial to the consumers who are interested in any make/model, to hear input from people working on the car directly. Not just the people who market it, and tell you all the things you WANT to hear. This was great!

[@jackholmes8105]

Our goal in these sorts of projects is to connect the viewers with the engineers. I think these people have a tremendous wealth of knowledge and getting to absorb just a touch of that is a great experience.

[@screenPhiles]

Thank you, savagegeese for giving the engineers, designers, etc who do the actual work, credit.

[@ThechronocrosserII]

As always, the production on these videos is fantastic!

[@air-headedaviator1805]

I do appreciate being able to here from the engineers and the minds behind the creation of these cars. The true weeds of development revealed

[@RyanKristoffRacing]

Beautiful video and love Saurabh’s input and passion for the eray controls🎉

[@cutthroat795]

As someone who doesn’t pay much attention to what’s coming out anymore, this is a complete surprise. Very interesting development like the hybrid hypercars

[@the_jason_factor]

One of the best automotive videos I have ever watched. Great job guys!!!

[@shmuelmashiah]

got to put it on here before i go to sleep thank you for a lot of fun moments.jack i am sorry i thought you less than the other guy years a go when i register to the channel you winn hands down.the best car engineer stuff in the world much love thank you

[@pan4632]

you guys rule, please never stop giving us this level of detail!!!

[@jspadanu]

You guys do the best car reviews. So much detail and such high quality production value.

[@willmix5044]

I would say this is some of your best visual work yet! Way to go!!

[@Gardian_915]

What an awesome video and the craftsmanship that went into the video and the eRay is terrific

[@kayakkevin]

Mark really enjoys his Nissan Rogue! He even has the hat! A true automotive enthusiast! 😍

[@johnranalletta9249]

Nobody creates like you guys. Great work! Surprised auto makers haven't approached you to do their visual content.

[@robertdavis9736]

Been watching you guys for a while now and you are simply the best! Another great show!! Thank you!!

[@AhammedAbdul]

excellent video really incredible to know the dynamic nature of this vehicle. enjoyed the input of the engineers.

[@corystansbury]

For what it's worth, like many I got 4 simultaneous notifications and this was my first stop. I knew the nerd out would be strong and I was right. This is the C8 I've been most excited for. It's the 911 Turbo equivalent to me. Shame the car really flatlines over 65 mph.

[@daviddavis1322]

It just gets there and stays there. Probably that darn DCT robbing all the power.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

Needs the Z06 engine or plaid-like motors that don't flatline

[@a1lebedev]

“Flatlining at 65” is a joke about speedometer edit around 23:00. You can see and hear car accelerate but speedo stays bouncing under 65

[@jkliao6486]

@@a1lebedev Him saying it "flatlines over 65 mph" is him getting the joke and render it in his own joke.

[@TommyPickIes]

​@@a1lebedev false!

[@Michael-ge3eo]

I'm just happy during your acceleration test you didn't go over 65 miles an hour. I would say you guys deserve a kudos for responsible driving and leading by example😊

[@cbotten106]

And you need to spot video that has been hacked. 🤣🤣🤣

[@jnichols959]

Another great job technically but also adding both of your personalities and personal takes, which are essential 👊

[@woody4041]

Thanks for the technical specs and diagrams explaining it all.

[@HarryTwatter]

The v8 and electric motor sound so cool together

[@genzigzag]

Great segment, the new E-Ray looks to be a great year round performance car with better pricing than a Carrera 4.

[@BERZERKERSV4]

Buahahaaaaa…if you can read .. look up the word “depreciation “….

[@JollyGiant19]

@@BERZERKERSV4If your personal buying choices factor in depreciation, you can’t afford it.

[@jordanplays-transitandgame1690]

​@@BERZERKERSV4C8s don't depreciate you Porschejunk clown 🤡

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

@@JollyGiant19 found the guy with a 10 year 5 year old tesla lease who thinks hes now part of the elite

[@jissanhuq3792]

@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0nlol dude stop it, its a vette not a bugatti. You think you’re part of the elite? That’s embarrassing

[@davevan9150]

Great video guys, once again giving us the juicy details.

[@Markus56165]

What a kick ass video. Thanks guys. Well done!

[@danielmelendez9943]

These two geniuses, never cease to amaze audiences. Superb video editing, through visuals that provide informative data in a conceptual manner to deliver an amazing visual and surround like experience. My ine question is do you guys think GM, took a look at what the NSX is like under the hood. Seems like they have been sitting on the works for a sports car that would have electrification as part of the dna of the engine. I now have to wonder can this E-ray be better than a NSX? Maybe we can stay tuned for a video that puts bith cars together in the track and delivers the answer we are all waiting to hear…🎉😂 Truly awesome video, i always look forward to the next video eagerly.

[@-Enginerd]

16:11 Yes! Thank you for going straight to the sources of truth that typically live behind the curtain. I can attest Marketing departments are full of BS. Often not even checking with the Engineers and instead posting incorrect specs to the public. It's very frustrating.

[@kelseykelderman6509]

Another fantastic video covering a pretty epic car. Well done!

[@Michael-ge3eo]

So impressed with this video and collaboration I'm going to watch it again right away

[@ZEPRATGERNODT]

Savage Geese and Jay Leno doing the E-Ray on the same day. I had to come here first.

[@corystansbury]

Yeah, I got 4 or 5 notifications at 9am EST

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

Media embargo

[@AWDCorvetteERay]

Me too!

[@shaunlunney7551]

Love that it exists! take this recipe and move it across the lineup GM. Hybridize the great ICE engines they have! Im staying on the Z06 allocation list though!

[@conditionone2320]

I literally got goosebumps during the intro, no foolin'.

[@jankydriveway4694]

Love this video and the interviews with engineers. Incredible presentation.

[@442jetmech]

It's so cool to see and hear the GM nerds discuss the development of systems they've dedicated portions of their lives on. This should be all the marketing GM needs. If you've got truly passionate, motivated engineers working on the platform that have pride in what they deliver, then the product is going to be amazing.

[@aspecreviews]

I appreciate all of the engineering insight that this channel gets into. It does not bore me to death. Question though: how is the internal combustion engine started? Is it an old-fashioned "chug-chug-chug" starter, or is there a dedicated motor to spin it up to idle speed instantly?

[@GoldenCroc]

Hmmm whats the difference in practice? I dont see any. A starter is just a "dedicated" electric motor after all. I guess you might be asking if its more powerful, perhaps with other gearing than a normal starter? I would guess it isnt.

[@aspecreviews]

@@GoldenCroc 12V vs. HV (200+ volts). If you search "KERS Kels" you'll find a starterless, clutchless 350Z race car with an electric assist system which also starts the engine from a dig.

[@xaviermelendez2639]

Holy smokes, what an incredible bit of engineering. Kudos to the Corvette Team, love seeing an American car company bringing the heat. Oh, and still one of the BEST car channels on YT, great review guys! Now if someone would bring the E-Ray to Nürburgring and lay down some hot laps. LFG!!!