Arceus vs Giratina - Pokemon Platinum

[@kayoh9364]

"Yawn was the reason Giratina had so much trouble with Bertha!" Oh, so you put on a Chesto Berry next time? "So I took like 5 blackouts and then got a crit." Ah.

[@captainboose8788]

this 😭

[@Dolph1nRacer]

But Scott, you failed to mention that Venomoth can change its type at will too.

[@InciniumVGC]

Yeah, its even in the TCG

[@92thorstein]

I opt to cheat in multitype as an ability for venomoth for its platinum run.

[@T____W____7777]

It’s been a Fairy Dark-Type since Gen 1. What are you talking about?

[@92thorstein]

@@T____W____7777 but in gen 4 it was Ghost-Fire

[@inventiveusername5191]

That's kind of a myth actually. It's always been Cosmic/Goblin, but the fact that neither of those types have ever been programmed into any game make its typing's behaviour weird and volatile so it seems like its changing.

[@beebobber546]

The reason Gardenia was such an obstacle was Leech Seed. You used Pokemon with base 120 and 150 HP. While that takes a fixed percentage from every Pokemon, the more HP means the more an enemy gets back for itself. It was funny seeing Cherrim get like a quarter health back every turn haha

[@rc4780]

Scott: I being literal God and literal Satan to the Sinnoh region. Gardenia: What is a God to a non-believer?

[@DovaGaming52]

Still God.

[@lenlimbo]

Still God, it just needs a few more levels.

[@RandalfElVikingo]

That "Satan" thing is something virgins always like to repeat.

[@stephentoothman7852]

I do think that you're overlooking the Choice Specs as an item option for special attackers in Platinum. It's in Celestic Town from an NPC and locks you in to one move in exchange for boosting your special damage by 50%

[@TheJdkeyes]

Thing is, with limited PP, he’d want to be very strategic to avoid stopping at the Pokecenters constantly. It would be interesting to see

[@porquenao7822]

Waiting for the 16 arceus types vs video

[@pokemontrainerharryghost]

Diabolical 😂

[@e-heromanny4348]

You’re looking at 2 hour video at minimum………..I want it

[@dii3218]

Type:Null and Genesect vids next plz

[@dragonslayerz2220]

The Blank Plate originates from the Legends game, where there's no held items. The Blank Plate can be used on Arceus to turn it back to a normal type there.

[@nyambrosial1244]

Plus it's just cool to have all the options available, and ties regigigas to the game's story. I do kinda hope that the legend plate or at least Unown's unique hidden power does appear again in the future

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

@@nyambrosial1244 I don’t think hidden power will work like that in the future unless their battle system is like pla. If it did I feel like unown will be the only Pokémon to get it instead of a lot of Pokémon by TM for balance reasons. Literally so many Pokémon would have a move that’s super effective on everything and while that can be good coverage, I feel like it would make hidden power broken.

[@nyambrosial1244]

​@THGMR-ox7sdI was thinking just for Unown, I hate "do everything moves" like how hidden power and return are, they don't have a place in modern Pokémon thanks to mostly everything getting real movesets and I think it'd be really sad to go back to IV-type based hidden power if Unown does come back since it's a really fun "glue" Pokémon to use in PLA.

[@AdamEspersona]

9:36 Rock Smash gets even better on a Pokémon with Technician as it then becomes a 60 BP (base power) move. And guess who has both Technician AND can learn Rock Smash to counter its 4x Rock weakness? _Scyther._ I specifically breeded one to use in Battle Revolution's Little Battle mode. And it served me well.

[@Nick-yl4qp]

Just run superpower

[@krisc1684]

​@@Nick-yl4qp Scyther doesn't learn Superpower in Gen IV. But it does learn Brick Break, which is 75 BP, and I think I'd take the BP lift over the 50% chance of a defense drop.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

The Scyther/Scizor runs in Gen 4 are going to be hilarious, that thing is a monster ingame in Plat and HGSS. Scizor with Bullet Punch, X-Scissor, Wing Attack, and Rock Smash cleans house, and Scyther can fit a filler move in over BP if it wants.

[@AdamEspersona]

@@TheShinyFeraligatr Those two are why Technician is one of my favorite Abilities.

[@perkypenguin1663]

Leaving another comment to say that Choice Specs is a very good item that I feel like could help a lot of Pokemon. It’s a time based item, specifically you talk to an NPC between 4:00-9:59am in Celestic Town, so I’m not sure how accessible that item is with your software as it currently is. It’s at least worth considering for special attackers, especially against Bertha. (Also some part of me kinda wished you named the Arceus Tom, considering the original Giratina soloist was named Jerry.)

[@myklsteel8486]

I would love to see how origin form Giratina would perform throughout the game in this format. Of course that would mean that you’d either have to mod it to always be in that form, or start the game with its orb, but I think it would be really interesting to see how it differs from regular Giratina, since I believe it is slightly faster and much more offensive, rather than defensive.

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

The Griseous Orb is a really, really good item. Like, legitimately great.

[@scoobiusmaximus9508]

I feel like modding the game to have it always be in that form is the better option because the orb also gives a 20% boost to both of its STABs which would be a massive advantage no other pokemon gets. Maybe as an easter egg the modded Giratina only goes back to its normal form for the Cyrus fight in the Distortion World.

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Origin giratina isn’t slightly faster. I think it just swaps offensive and defensive stats

[@ktvx.94]

Wouldn't Natural Gift solve Gardenia? Pretty sure I saw Natural Gift be a fire move in Eterna Forest before that battle. Also imagine being Roark, testing this new kid and he brings frickin *GOD*

[@channierichardson8440]

Could of sworn that’s what he kept natural gift for smh

[@rypato1992]

Down side is couldn’t hold the Draco Plate for Arceus

[@baileyBLIGHT]

Shoutout to patreon member LavitzDies, you can't hide a Legend of Dragoon reference from me LMAO. Very good video! I'm impressed Arceus managed to catch up and have such a dominant performance over Giratina.

[@NevG27]

That thumbnail is just, *chef's kiss*

[@rontheauraknight9606]

23:54 note they added the blank plate because the only game it’s from, Pokemon Legends Arceus the plates are key items and you constantly use them to swap around Arceus’s type, without the blank plate you can’t change Arceus back to normal type

[@llSuperSnivyll]

As usual, Legends making things worse.

[@rontheauraknight9606]

@ I mean it’s an legends only item same with the legend plate. They aren’t useable outside legends

[@tanalincia6314]

​@llSuperSnivyll Well thats certainly a spicy and unpopular opinion.

[@KeithTheGeek]

Hey Scott, noticed while watching the Cynthia battle that Return's base power isn't properly updating with Arceus' type. 47:36 showing as 153 vs Garchomp, so the overlay is still calculating stab for it even though Arceus no longer is a normal type. Ultimately didn't end up mattering here though, and I'm not sure if there's another Pokemon besides Arceus this bug would effect in Platinum. Maybe the Porygon line using Conversion? Enjoyed seeing all of these videos though. I think in the future it'd be cool to revisit these Pokemon and see how they would do with their signature tools. Arceus starting with Judgement and Giratina with its Griseous Orb. Thank you for putting so much time into this!

[@PotatoOnionPizza]

Depending if you eventually do a secondary Arceus run, I would recommend saving Seismic Toss for Gardenia. At level 20, you will be able to guarantee a three-hit KO against the Cherrim and Roserade that both have 59 HP. Not to mention that the HP ranges wont proc Gardenia to use Super Potions either. EDIT: I've just realised that Cherrim may use Leech Seed and the Roserade has a Sitrus berry so it may not be the most viable option, oops!

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

12:14 and 17:12 for the draco plate 18:20 and 21:04 for the spooky plate 20:16 for the insect plate (also oooo 69 nice but scott missed it.. sort of) 20:30 for the dread plate 21:36 for the not picked up mind plate 23:27 for the not picked up fist plate 24:15 for the not picked up toxic plate 24:30 for the zap plate callout; 24:39 for the mining mini game 26:28 for the not picked up meadow plate (mostly due to waterfall and backtrack required) 28:02 for the not picked up iron plate 36:51 for the icicle plate 39:06 for the sky plate 39:42 for callouts of: earth plate, stone plate, flame plate, splash plate

[@pokemontrainerharryghost]

23:47 To explain this, in Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Arceus doesn't actually need to hold any Plate to change its type; the Plates are a Key Item. So, if you change into, say, the Fire type using the Flame Plate, you cannot change into the Normal type by 'removing the held item' because that mechanic doesn't exist. So they introduced the Blank Plate to allow Arceus to change into the Normal type. Also, despite there being data for it in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, you cannot obtain it legitimately. And, no, it does NOT boost Normal-type damage.

[@jameswhite2308]

Man, your animations are beautiful, I love them!

[@eshasunrise]

I wasn't expecting Godslayer Gardenia, but I am happy it's a thing.

[@perkypenguin1663]

On the twenty-third day of Christmas, Scott’s Thoughts gave to me… Twenty-three godly showdowns, Twenty-two transformer…Mew, Twenty-one cicada fams, Twenty Swords Dance backports, Nineteen mid tadpole swirls, Eighteen mid bell peppers, Seventeen backported legends, Sixteen evolution tests, Fifteen Kanto kaiju, Fourteen starter redos, Thirteen rare Normal girls, Twelve bear v bull fights, Eleven Gen 1 backports, Ten pounds per pink puff, Nine resists when evolved, Eight Belly Drum badges, Seven years with Psywave, Six slow squad solos, Five mid starter flings! Four Eevee runs, Three years post redo, Two Grass/Ice types, And a Hitmontop in Gen 3!

[@david-yw7gv]

How does this not have more likes 😭🙏

[@Known_as_The_Ghost]

"What if Eternamax Eternatus was in Pokemon _____" I don't believe this will happen. But I would definitely enjoy seeing what pure stats could do.

[@silver_was_found]

A Giratina-Origin playthrough could be very interesting, I would definitely be invested in that. The rules would have to be tweaked (potentially have it always holding the Griseous Orb), but I hope it happens someday.

[@Skipatronic]

God vs Satan

[@ironleegaming8227]

It's why we celebrate Christmas

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

*in before the lore-crazed fans swarm in to try to explain how Giratina isn't Satan*

[@psio4213]

​@@shinigamimiroku3723 "lore crazed" it doesn't even take 5 minutes to read the wiki my guy 😭

[@Arqadeshadow]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 God vs Satan 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@darrellmurray4928]

2 days before Jesus' birthday

[@o0camy564]

It so nice to see how far pokemon evolved. From the first Pokemon God and Normal Ghost Dragon type Venomoth to theese cute little guys you played with this time!

[@llSuperSnivyll]

I was expecting more Natural Gift use in the playthrough, but I guess it's too cumbersome. 23:03 But Giratina isn't evil! It's just a loner that wants others out of its -lawn- alternate dimension, and that it has been unfairly represented by both fans and a recent retcon that is best forgotten.

[@Witzwo1]

This is the reason, why the Extreme Killer Arceus is such a good Pokemon and since its release it is one of the best in single battles. though is sort of is more of an Returning killer or an Quaking Killer in the Solochallenge Format

[@thomasbailey226]

Also, been following and watching since your very first vid. I watch them when I drive home on liberty (active duty military) and I love them! Keep it up bud

[@silver_was_found]

Huge props to Brian, that thumbnail art is AWESOME. Probably the best one yet imo.

[@Cheef.SteveX0]

I’ve wanted this video ever since u started playing platinum let’s goo 🔥🔥🔥

[@UpHillCow]

I love getting done with work and having a new video to watch everyday

[@yamiryushi]

The pinnacle of "I HAVE THE POWER OF GOD (and satan) AND ANIME BY MY SIDE!"

[@anthonypeterman959]

Setting up Cosmic Power on turtwig could help arceus survive long enough to knock out roserade at a lower level.

[@N12015]

No it won't. The problem is not grass knot, it is leech seed alongside low damage output.

[@rooislangwtf]

16:59 just a reminder: Grass Knot is a 120BP move thanks to how heavy Arceus and Giratina is, it's no surprise they had a hard time vs Gardenia even when resisting the move. Garchomp is lucky, for it it's only a 80BP move which probably made Scott complacent.

[@rooislangwtf]

Regarding rare candies, I think the main issue is that you're saving them, if you just used them as you got them (while skipping the really slow ones) Arceus could probably still get a better time, collecting them, but letting them rot in the bag was the main blunder

[@salamense6791]

Some facts about Arceus. 1. Only in gen 4 Arceus has a ??? type form. 2. Arceus was only distributed at lv 100. So that means it was impossible to get more than 100 evs in a specific stat In gen 4.

[@chrisdaignault9845]

Can’t you recalc a Pokémon’s stats by depositing it in the PC? Or do level 100 Pokémon not gain EVs through battling all?

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@@chrisdaignault9845 In Gen 3 and 4, you only gained EVs from battles if you gained EXP from them, meaning the only way to get anything was the first 100 from Vitamins. That got changed in 5.

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

COME ON, SATAN! I BELIEVE IN YOU!! *wait....*

[@nich6200]

I think a fun eventual send off to the four god pokemon would be to do a race video like this but where all four are at full power. Giratina in origin form from the start. Backport dialga and palkia’s origin forms from legends with their appropriate stat changes. And if possible backport the multi-type plate from legends for arceus so he is all types, if that’s not doable then start the game with all plates in your inventory already.

[@ChaosWindScar99]

The "God" Pokémon vs. the "Satan" Pokémon A fitting finale indeed. Fitting its at the top of the food chain... for now.

[@Riftrender]

Oh adding to request for Alolan Raichu in Yellow I would like to see Hisuian Typloshion in Crystsl as a backport.

[@alvarodurantorres6916]

When you see that thumbnail, you know it's going to be an epic video.

[@Alchemist1194]

I literally said yesterday. I wonder when he’s going to do Arceus. Nice!

[@dragonknight1560]

If you think about it, if Scott used the Toys R Us Arceus gift Pokemon... there would be no completion even if you change its Level 100 to 1. Like it would be scary.

[@Lunar365]

Really thought this was a Origin form run. Would have loved to see it.

[@mobi2289]

Against Bertha with giratina, why didn't you replace shock wave with energy ball? Shockwave by that point was pretty much useless. Think energy ball would have let giratina blast through all those high def ground types with no problem. That probably would have allowed giratina to keep it's lead over Arceus.

[@7highstraight]

Kinda feel bad for Barry in this one. He lets you pick your pokemon first and you get god while he gets a monkey.

[@andrewbartlett4997]

The scizor trainer’s name is Cesar? That sounds a lot like scizor…

[@frankieinjapan]

Wow arceus really impressed despite being almost 10 minutes behind at one point. Can't wait to see you clean up the play and get under 2 hours

[@tysonpestner]

You’re the man, Scott

[@poketrainernob15]

Cant wait for Scott to do the Toxicroak line in Platinum, with learning nasty plot, access to swords dance, and the decent coverage it gets

[@tantani6078]

23:53 the plate also boost arceus moves, so basically giving arceus 20% boost in normal form

[@bradynbrunson6038]

I'd love to see a Giratina Origin Form playthough (where you hack in the orb at the start) Then maybe compare to this playthough Edit: also, because of Levitate, i would probably say the Empoleon team for the origin playthough

[@T____W____7777]

For Gen 4 onwards, I hope you can make a new rule where Pokemon that change form can stick to that form from the beginning. In Giratina’s case it gets the Orb (and must continue holding the orb) from the beginning. Then do a play through with both. Other formed Pokemon like Deoxys and Rotom would be better with this rule and I think seeing a Giratina-Origin comparison would be great. Probably more of a 2026 thing when you start getting into Platnium more, but just a thought for the future.

[@rypato1992]

I disagree, because if it has to hold the orb, that’s the downside of a more aggressive Giratina

[@T____W____7777]

@@rypato1992it’s not about being better or worse. It’s about seeing a comparison.

[@belodie]

I disagree. The way Pokémon change forms is central to their identities, and if they can't get the forms until later in the game (or ever before postgame), or if they have to go out of the way to change forms, then that's a disadvantage they have to live with. It's a similar reasoning for the concept of not disabling encounters in the Pokémon Mansion (slow level curve mons get slowed down by encounters or have to pay for repels) compared to most areas of Red having encounters disabled (so that variance in number of encounters doesn't impact run length of a comparatively short game).

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

@@rypato1992 That orb is an upside, like, a massive upside for Giratina. You lose berries in a few fights but gain permanent 20%+ to your STAB options that applies multiplicatively with STAB.

[@shootingstardust97]

Fundamentally it will change how Giratina will play in it's O-form since it is meant to be offensive as compared to altered form. It also allows for more content which is gd for us. We can have both Giratina-A and Giratina-O rated to see how different they are, with Giratina-O having the disadvantage of being locked to it's signature held item

[@GeneralCDragon]

@Scott's Thoughts It would would be awesome to see an Arceus playthrough where it starts with Judgement. It's its signature move and unlike like the Sinnoh trio, we'd never see it in a normal playthrough.

[@Nixoth]

Fun fact: theres an in game sprite in platinum (and gen 5 games i think too) for a typeless arceus. Its horns around its body are a pretty cyan color as i recall. Too bad its unused

[@sopadumacacoumadelicia5]

I opened KZbin, this was the first video that appeared. Not even 2 seconds later, I got the notification for the video lol The thing I'm most curious about these playthroughs is how Scott is going to use Arceus' ability

[@Silvitewolf]

A giritina vs. match could be fun. Theoretically, the offensive form has the advantage, but item holding might give the normal one advantage.

[@FrostGhidorahEX]

I've always loved Arceus. Something so majestic and regal about it. Sure it is basically a llama stuck in a fence but that's the charm of it all Also I know the tier list is based on Gen 1 hence Surge and Bruno But I would love if for each region you relabel the Surge and Bruno tiers with the worst trainers of their respective regions So for Sinnoh I guess they'd be the Byron and Volkner tiers I dunno just a way to add some charm to each list

[@Nick-yl4qp]

It's a horse

[@PaiDiMat]

Ohh the renaming tiers advice sounds so fun. I second that

[@offsedd8520]

sick as distortion world thumbnail

[@PillzmansFox]

22:10 always weird to see old pokemon designs with new ones, especially color changes

[@chrisjoseph3883]

For Pokémon with even offensive stats I feel as though a special attacker set is always best since 1) no worries for intimidate 2) no worries for burns There’s no special equivalent to these two mechanics in that no ability lowers special attack n no status lowers it either… Moves like fake tears have very limited distribution if any at all during play throughs and physical walls are more common like rock types….

[@spacedoyster7686]

Having a Flying type move for Gardenia is pretty really nice! Good thing you can get Pluck before Gardenia. You did get Pluck, right?

[@AdamEspersona]

The battle of gods. The angel and the devil. Who will triumph?

[@javadkhusro]

I've seen 360Chrism do Arceus plate bingo, where he tries to get a bingo on a 4x4 board of all the plates purely through mining. The VODs are 6-7 hours, getting 1.4-1.6 unique plates per hour. Please don't try to get a specific plate like that.

[@rooislangwtf]

13:47 it's always funny to see how different we thought about moves as kids. Kid Scott is like wow leech seed doesn't do any damage it's useless, while kid me went wow I can cheese almost any fight thanks to how busted leech seed is 😅

[@IsuKen]

“Heaven. Hell. Let’s rock!”

[@mmpsp693]

Thanks for the great clip

[@Epsilonsama]

Pokémon Platinum is so hard that even God himself can't breeze through it😂

[@bettyunicorn6132]

The more I look at Arceus the more divine it looks. The Alpha pokemon indeed this pokemon is majestic and it deserves its s teir placement.

[@AdamEspersona]

Early prediction: with balanced stats and access to Swords Dance, Arceus will come out on top. That and Multitype will be a factor. Giratina may be a beast, but with a lack of setup moves and a more constrained movepool overall, it's just gonna fall behind.

[@captainboose8788]

Ah man, Bertha killed Giratina right at the end.... It was neck and neck

[@browncow5210]

I'm not sure which helps Arceus more: the fact that he's Pokemon's God, or the fact that he gets swords dance. Nearly every mon that gets that is excellent in solo runs, regardless of generation. Except the Nincada family.

[@megariderfire1994]

29:02 Haha, sure he's ONE OF THEM but are you sure you can say he is worse than VOLKNER in these Platinum solo runs?

[@Alowishius]

Isn't cosmic power + punishment pretty good? 200 damage sweeper move seems good early, surprised cosmic power got replaced so early

[@gregorymcafee4946]

Scott, are we going to rank each kind of pokemon individually, like Giratina Origin and each Rotom (like Fridge)?

[@dxjxc91]

I've always considered arceus to be mid compared to other legendaries. The individual base stat average for legendaries is around 114, so all of arceus's stats are barely above average. And literally the only legendary pokemon without a primary attack stat over 120 is Giratina who is bulky. Mono type also tends to have a disadvantage to dual types (less STAB and weakness coverage).

[@Dark-Aclyss]

I know this is a very minor and niche thing but your overlay is calculating stab for return with the sky plate equipped during the league. Honestly probably not even worth the headache to fix it but just wanted to point it out.

[@blockchords5197]

Seeing Giratina in Origin Forme sweeping through Platinum could be fun

[@shadowknight9345]

Heaven or Hell! Let's Rock!

[@mMmMarvin]

Love your videos. Any particular reason for TM01 being oddly misplaced in the Movepool list?

[@malcanater007]

14:10 screams in pluck 😅😂

[@PrimalSlime]

Definitely interested in a griseous orb giratina run

[@silver_was_found]

Seconded.

[@ChrisNelson93]

Ah yes the 😇 vs 😈 of Pokemon, should be good

[@gus439]

Any chance of a venomoth video with multitype?

[@AntiKira20]

I'm trying really, really hard to make a Warhammer40k reference.....but I can't think of one that fits this category!

[@T____W____7777]

Horus vs the Emperor.

[@UnsoberIdiot]

Merry Christmas, fellow nerds. :)

[@PrincessGoth574]

Id love to see a run with the griseous orb just for fun

[@nich6200]

I think Scott hasn’t played any of the newer games if he’s confused by the blank plate

[@1stDragonlord]

Poor Giratina, being forgotten that the second playthrough wasn't counted here Are you only ranking first playthroughs in that list?

[@Itachiduden]

I know its immature. But I can't help to gigle everytime PP problem is brought up. "It has a PP problem, it has a tiny PP"

[@WillowEpp]

Praise the God Llama, Ar-say-us! 🙏

[@henry5274]

I hope you do a Giratina run with its origin item from the start sometime

[@ell7991]

Scott forgot the chesto berry again😅

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

11:51 and 14:43 and 19:02 ooooo 69 nice 13:30 perfect run disappointingly ends here for arceus (16:41 for the giratina), F in the chat Press F to pay respects 31:45 ooooo 69 NOT NICE!!!

[@ProfessorWFS]

Thank you GOAT

[@nadelhexequiteria2227]

41:32 That's not an advantage, that's a skill issue...

[@Rodriguez_way]

Oh good I ran out of videos during my 9 hour drive. Happy holidays!

[@Quacamole__]

If he would’ve done a second arceus run right after, i predict it it was easily be near or even below and 1:50

[@SameerKhan-nf3no]

But can either of them create bubbles?

[@mateushevski408]

You should use special attacks against Bertha when playing with Giratina