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Jason Whitlock, Marcellus Wiley, Mark Schlereth and LaVar Arrington talk about the allegation made by Cleveland Browns defensive end Myles Garrett against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph.
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Whitlock & Wiley disagree on the allegation made by Myles Garrett | NFL | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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[@SpeakOnFS1]

What are your thoughts on Myles Garrett’s allegation?

[@TooColdYT]

I think if Rudolph really said something racist garret would have been said something i think he's full of shhh

[@lawrencemerriman8768]

@@TooColdYT same

[@robertleo7486]

Its miked up for the league to check--Nothing. If that racial slur was said, Garrett didnt speak that at all afterwards until he stood before the commissioner. Of course Wiley, cant see through this--get passed it bro.

[@SOUL8732]

WHITLOCK IS A COWARD

[@GregarringtonArrington]

Speak For Yourself Marcellus right on point LaVar Arrington right on point back to the study wow OG Arrington

[@ironcitylite]

“I don’t have a reason NOT to believe Myles Garrett” Except none of the other 21 players nor any official heard this. Fantastic.

[@syuhaguawuwhapwb6124]

Have you heard of the concept of volume. Mason didn’t necessarily shout it at him maybe it was whispered.

[@TweaNation]

@@syuhaguawuwhapwb6124 ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

[@syuhaguawuwhapwb6124]

@@TweaNation never said he was guilty i just said this wasn’t the be all end all

[@DajuiceMain]

If the helmet don't fit you must acquit

[@IHATEJEREMYMOCK]

Should have 1k likes... surgical af.

[@Bruss813]

🤣🤣

[@173jaSon371]

Brought to you by Trent Williams and Antonio Brown

[@And1one757]

🤣

[@AFunnyWayToDie]

hahahahaha best cmmt i read all week

[@kennypowers1910]

"My blackness won't allow me to give an honest opinion." -Wiley

[@lexingtonconcord8751]

Good summary

[@CoreyT127]

Imagine being I such a mental prison that your afraid to speak honestly for fear of being called a sellout?

[@kennypowers1910]

@@CoreyT127 well put

[@voz3704]

@ Nolan Gleason If blacks are tribal I guess whites are clan-like

[@choice12ozborne]

I know more Marcellus but I haven't talked to him since we were in early twenties. He didn't act racist then at all

[@saltyschmitty7]

Them saying that Rudolph looked so angry he would say a racial slur is pretty messed up lol

[@Bazookastreams]

Are we just gonna ignore the fact that the guy in blue just admitted to twisting someone’s manhood in the bottom of a pile? Lmfao

[@jsunh98]

it was right after he got finished suckin on it

[@alienatedbean12]

He never said he twisted nuts and dicks! He said he would grab their stomach and twist. Nasty acts. I mean I've pinched ppl in the gut and kidneys in piles but never twist guts or grab nuts

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

The Real Reason no and the kick in and of itself warrants a suspension. Also running after Garrett also caused an escalation of the fight but nothing justifies the helmet swing.

[@jacobw5995]

The Real Reason you’ve obviously never played FB

[@steeler4life]

Wiley is a f'n tool

[@danielteblink9156]

Mark is smart letting all the black guys hash this out 😂😂😂

[@bretlanshelvin8628]

that's the best thing for him to do.

[@parrogakaparadise9477]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Minoritynomad]

I recognized that also.

[@jamesdennis8186]

While at the same time does not pull a Max Kellerman

[@MrJduke40]

There is only two black men on the set.

[@jimmymac4559]

Schlereth wanted out of there. I’m surprised he said anything.

[@dougdavis2477]

LoL. But he should have it is open conversation sensitive but open. Mark can take care of himself and he can comment his opinion as well. Like arrington said it goes both ways

[@coleeason6007]

Being from Idaho and we know how they feel I the potato state

[@lacenikks708]

@@coleeason6007. Lol. Yes we know

[@johnblakewatson7083]

Lavar Arrington on here looking like Rodney Peete.

[@foxwoods8990]

Yo LOL a young Rodney Peete

[@ossier2796]

Come on man. If that QB called him the N word we would’ve heard that on day one.

[@trwwn3804]

..more like right there and then..whether that word or any other slur..

[@cannotwaittoseedavanteadam4301]

I don't think so for exactly what Whitlock said. People like Whitlock would automatically say that Garrett is trying to play the race card to justify his actions. Also, I don't remember Garrett being allowed to say anything that wasn't already prepared for him. It would make sense that the organization and his lawyer wouldn't want Garrett to freely talk in public cuz it could be used against him in his appeal. So, to me, it makes sense that he waited (most likely on advice of the org and/or his lawyer) until his appeal to fully explain his side of what happened. You cannot make overarching generalities cuz you cannot speak for every single person. If you think you can then you're dumber than I thought you are.

[@cemarz]

Garrett and his HC insinuated that something was said immediately after the game. Then Garrett waits until and official meeting, closed doors, with a league official, under oath to let the league know what's up. As anyone with a sense of responsibility and respect for the league would do, as an act of not escolating. It gets leaked and now everyone's getting pissy that he didn't shout off the rooftops as the entire media world is condemning him. The same people who are ripping him for going through the proper channels would have ripped him for not going through the proper channels.

[@wildsillyman47]

@@cannotwaittoseedavanteadam4301 you sir, are doing the exact thing that you in your closing paragraph say people cant do, that is funny, and hypocritical

[@cannotwaittoseedavanteadam4301]

@@wildsillyman47 You don't make any sense. I didn't make any overarching generalities. I am assuming you are referring to when I said "people like Whitlock" i.e. the people who are saying the same thing as Whitlock. I am not talking on behalf of every single person. Do you even know what constitutes an overarching generality? Explain how what I said was hypocritical. When you fail to do so, be prepared to be made fun of mercilessly.

[@Dash277]

Wiley: I have no evidence but I believe him 100%.

[@ambrosiod605]

A black guy believes a black guy with no reasonable cause and some people are surprised. No way

[@simuljustusetpeccator5547]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@raymondbacon1741]

That's exactly why y'all white people believe the white person. Nobody knows who's telling the truth but the two players

[@steveprefontaine5977]

Wiley is a racist

[@peace-yv4qd]

@@raymondbacon1741 You are making the same exact same assumption. He' s black, so why would he lie about hearing a racial slur? It works both ways.

[@theoyancey]

lets be real, if Rudolph said what Garret said then there is no way Garrett would of apologized

[@KRocksU]

Wiley sticking to his guns even though everyone poked holes all over his logic.

[@michaelangelogarland2140]

KRocksU elementary logic. He’s way off here- sounds like a complete fool.

[@Ephesians-rz7zp]

Marcellus “Facts over feelings unless they’re my feelings” Wiley 😂

[@Superdimensional]

Brad T dude so true

[@sweetmusic846]

@@Superdimensional I don't respect Wiley anymore.

[@expendable4h002]

Sweet Music he always been an emo.

[@cowboysmania1672]

Brad T I agree

[@walterjenkins4536]

Good one bruh!!!

[@taylormajors5677]

Wiley is up here bragging about playing dirty AS. No wonder he agrees with Garrett

[@rhuttrho88]

Exactly! Hopeing blood is drawn. What a effeminate man.🤦🏿‍♂️

[@mauriceyoung3211]

Everybody play dirty in the trenches

[@HotdogJuice]

The NFL has the entire field mic'd why don't they pull it up.....hmmmm

[@00ghostcobra]

Rudolph helmet didn't have a mic in it..

[@maxwelljacobfreedom]

Marcellus used to be entertaining now he sounds like every other girl on ESPN

[@choice12ozborne]

Lol

[@joesalazar2634]

Man I ok if they use logic and facts to prove a point, but this dude is arguing just to argue!

[@fetishb]

Man shut tf up

[@joesalazar2634]

Marcellus sounds like Greg Beez!!! Lol you go girl

[@bcoh8741]

@@joesalazar2634 And she don’t even sound hot...

[@dov9455]

Wiley could have just skipped all his BS excuses and cut to the chase: "I believe Myles Garrett because he's black and Mason Rudolph is a Trump supporter."

[@zbrown187]

Except Wiley is a conservative.

[@scatpack_3925]

Dov 😂😂

[@ian_does_cool_things]

Wiley is a conservative. Also he's correct that both men have reason to lie. And while Myles behavior is indefensible, Mason has clearly contradicted reality and shunned any responsibility for the escalation - he lied so save face (it happens). I'm not saying I believe anyone-there are three sides to every story, which means there is the possibility one or both of them are being dishonest. No matter who you "believe", if we can't all do that, our emotions and biases are getting the better of us.

[@MalevolentElephant]

Or you could say the reverse, which is that you don’t believe Garrett because he is black and you believe Mason because he is a Trump supporter

[@boricuafrican1]

Wiley never said he believes Garrett, he said he has no reason not to believe him.... and he also said that Garrett seems more believable than Rudolph right now because Rudolph has already lied about what happened.

[@israelendalk]

as a black person this is an totally an embarrassment.

[@selig7]

israel endalk How so? Were you on the field and hear him not use a racial slur? Or do you just believe what people want you too? Did the NFL release proof that Myles is lying or did they just say they couldn’t find he was telling the truth? Big difference.

[@og4372]

Truth may never be known, are they needing to record all players in every game similar to cops needing body cams?

[@jebalbert5903]

@@selig7 u seem a lil upset like dude didn't say he believed either side didn't speak on it at all. I think he meant that as a black person the spectacle as a whole was embarrassing.forgive me off I wrong

[@TedD94]

@@selig7 Lol that's not how this works... Just like in court, you have to prove the other person did say/do something, not the other way around.

[@bodax1069]

israel endalk I think the whole thing is. Hand out suspensions (including Rudolph). Leave it be haha

[@servant72]

Mason Rudolph said, "We usually beat the BROWNS!" Garrett took it the wrong way...

[@matsuwd-emethdaath4002]

Lmao

[@CoreyT127]

Nice!

[@CoreyT127]

Nice!

[@krusher027]

Lmao

[@choice12ozborne]

I don't think Rudolph said it because if he did he would have had a bunch of Brothers jumping on his Fanny

[@paulhb]

Mason Rudolph yelled “This is MAGA country!” Aaaahahahahaaaa!!

[@jenniferduncan4966]

Yeah, Make America Great Again has become a racial slur. Typical

[@paulhb]

Jennifer Duncan - Sad, isn’t it? And for the love of god, don’t do this! 👌 You’ll be permabanned from Cubs games.

[@AlfredJones10Se7en]

Mason Rudolph aint no angel...people at Oklahoma State didnt like him because he use to start stuff on campus

[@paulhb]

Alfred Jones - Like what? I’m an OU fan and followed OSU reasonably closely. Never heard a word about Rudolph being a bad guy. He was definitely aggravating this situation by pulling at Garrett’s helmet and doing a push-kick to Garrett’s crotch (watch the video. It’s there). The stuff about the N word... no. Not buying it. And I’m very sorry to see Garrett go. Amazing talent and he’s going to lose almost everything for an out of character reaction. Back to it. I haven’t ever heard anything bad about Rudolph. He always reminded me o OSU’s version of Landry Jones. Squeaky clean. Almost a great player. No killer instinct.

[@MDMamba]

Listen to you idiots

[@jasonwistaff]

Myles Garret is lying. He never would’ve issued an apology without mentioning that he was called a racial slur. This is a pathetic attempt to lower his suspension. What an ugly day for the Browns.

[@xxtooshiestyxx8756]

Facts

[@ryanedwards9763]

@@cordelljohnson1060 Jesus man, were you there? Do you know for a fact that it was said?

[@xxtooshiestyxx8756]

@Frank B Parker Whiteboys tough asf on the internet 🙄

[@MICHAEL_MAY8]

Josina Anderson should be fired!

[@Kevin_747]

@@xxtooshiestyxx8756 Everybody is a tough guy on the internet, skin color not withstanding.

[@GappyHilmore]

Myles is lying. If somebody called me the N word I wouldn’t apologize the way Myles did.

[@shanepleasants6280]

Exactly

[@gabo8954]

He was forced to. In the post game interview he didnt show any signs of regret.

[@bokimrain5301]

Miles didn't apologize his PR team did and they apologized before they got his side of the story this is an inside guy talking to you now so now... closet racist racism is in everything y'all do nowadays you can even look at video and see this guy's foot in the man's crotch and still pretend it didn't happen why because white folks can always look the other way on Extreme things and make no mistake this is not extreme this is a dude who got everything he asked for because he got the bad end of it he's now our victim and you like that victim never the less he had his lineman holding the man's arms he ran up on somebody and got all he deserved and y'all want to victimize him he didn't get cut he didn't get a concussion he threw his arms in the air like a b**** and you like that guy I bet you have a lot in common with that guy

[@siddasquid8573]

If you like making millions you would

[@Twoofus0525]

U say that but u don't have millions on the line neither 💯💯

[@iomis2001]

It took him a week to say this. I have a hard time believing he said it.

[@rooseveltjones2738]

How do you know it didn't happen there are people who been victimized and didn't say a word for years now hitting him in the head may have been overboard but the Quarterback isn't innocent either.

[@stun2187]

It was in an appeal hearing. That’s why he didn’t say anything previously

[@whitneyevans6764]

Ummmmmmm ... different profession yet, the same theme... how is it that Garrett espousing that this nobody QB used racial slurs several days after the incident but, white women came forward decades after the fact to accuse Cosby and they were totally believable.... lmatfo!!!! Typical of Mr. Charlie.

[@djangojenkins7019]

Nah....he went to the league and they leaked it out. Garrett actually said he wanted them to release the audio.

[@Anti-Ignorance]

Of course you do.

[@Fidelis1776]

6:40, He's absolutely right. The night of the game, Garrett was heated and let his emotions take over, leading him to do something stupid. 6 days later after writing an apology, he realized what "rest of the season" actually meant and did something dumber. If I'm wrong, I'll come back here and apologize.

[@alfredad12]

7days to remember been called N word! Come on Wiley!

[@williamaaronberryiii6538]

William Aaron Berry III William Aaron Berry III 1 second ago It is not what they call you it is what you answer to! Myles Garrett is a punk!

[@daultontansil3618]

That's what I say. C'mon man!

[@BlackzSparrow]

question though, did he say it to the coach after the incident. I remember that the coach gave a statement that Miles Garret told him what happened but that would remain between them. If the Coach collaborates the allegation, does that give it more power?

[@alfredad12]

@@BlackzSparrow As a black person if someone calls me the N word and I react, that will not be the end of it, because I will love to let the world know about it. 2. I will also not apologise to him but will apologise for my reaction, if i over did it. He has been coached to use that as a get away card to reduce his suspension and that is so coward of him! Respect lost here for him. If there was an N word I'm not sure that his team mate will shh about it. Not a single person said anything until 7days later.

[@DJiNstncT]

@@alfredad12 good to see some one actually using some common Sense on this subject. It's completely ridiculous to think he wouldn't of called out Rudolph for being a racist IMMEDIATELY after the incident. IF....big If , he had used that slur and Myles didn't report it immediately, then shame on him. But we both know it never was said ..

[@Ralph_Sandwich]

I heard Myles Garret just announced Rudolph poured bleach on him too.

[@pep590]

And tried to put a noose on him too. That Rudolph will try anything.

[@pep590]

Toodank2bunderstood Classic!

[@zachmrazik5207]

🤣🤣🤣😂🤣

[@kemdaman159]

Ralph Sandwich Myles Garret swung the helmet at Rudolph just cause he said “Eat fresh”

[@AlexanderLupo]

Took his Subway sammich too even

[@randyayo2846]

Wiley goes into preacher mode which is typical of someone playing the race card.

[@Gr8estRPer]

Once again Whitlock is speaking facts again.

[@Eldorik]

This dude seems like he wishes there was actually a slur used.

[@openthemind1244]

To all you idiots, Myles didn't just "come out with it" 2 weeks later, he waited to go to Roger's office and tell him PRIVATELY what happened. The NFL just leaked the info. So re-think your racist viewpoints about "crying racism"…

[@clos6613]

@@openthemind1244 do you actually believe that? Seriously? He waited a week to come out with this when he had every chance to use this as defence for his own inappropriate actions and clear his name a bit right from the beginning? No way man. He was apologetic after the game and said himself that there's no place in the game for that and that he felt ashamed of what he had done. And he even wrote a letter of apology to Rudolph. Nah man. I dont buy that.

[@zackattack635]

Open The Mind it would have been the first thing he said... “he called me the N word!!!” Would have been all he could say after the game. He used the race card because it’s word against word... and he wants an excuse for doing something dumb. To suggest otherwise is silly.

[@stamina4357]

@@openthemind1244 you need to change your name here son because your mind looks closed asf. Disingenuous.

[@jeffmiller5709]

@@openthemind1244 your an idiot miles used this as a scapegoat so his suspension is lessened.

[@SikhJedi]

Myles Garrett out here lying like Jussie Smollett hahahahahah...

[@evalynelston2438]

I agree....I don't believe Myles Garrett either, but Jason Whitlock is still trash!

[@Ruatsanga13]

Smooyay

[@ROFO79]

Robert Butler you have to prove someone guilty not innocent. The Steelers QB is innocent until proven guilty

[@grill9067]

Why did he get so upset his team was winning the game? Mason Rudolph didn't take swing at him. He had to have said something

[@stanjones9643]

@@bretyeilding9215 Robert didn't lean towards any side.He made reasonable assumption.dont know what happened

[@dominoslim1210]

Our nation needs a serious talk about racial slur hoaxes

[@TrademarkTheGod]

My problem isn’t Whitlock’s opinion it’s the way he interrupted the guests he disagrees with.

[@oldmanmob4659]

Well at the time it was his show. Everyone how has a show dose it

[@RatchetTownUSAx]

If he did that he would of expressed that after the game

[@williamaaronberryiii6538]

It is not what they call you it is what you answer to! Myles Garrett is a punk!

[@MarioHartson]

@@williamaaronberryiii6538 shut up GEEZER.

[@JayTheRealest1]

*Lmao you don't know what he would've done. None of us do.*

[@gabo8954]

He clearly inferred something was said & he showed no signs of regret so... Who knows only Idiot smashed brain Rudolph, Garrett & maybe DeCastro &Pouncey

[@robertbishop3707]

I believe Rudolph called him an n word and don’t blame garret at all plus he was defending himself when Rudolph charged him. The helmet swing was bad on his part but in the heat of the moment did it cause he lost his cool when Rudolph tried to come back at him - coming from a white guy

[@Diddle1414]

Wiley: "I'm going to choose to believe him and then bend all the facts to support that belief instead of going with the common sense explanation that he's lying."

[@braidonutley8938]

@Jay Rush you must have never lived in reality

[@dollarsignjody]

How’s it common sense

[@Loganbub]

joelil thrash it’s common sense Garret is lying if you even have the slightest bit of self awareness and ability to decipher behavior.

[@MayMay-vc2dz]

Bend what facts?

[@cameronsuter7082]

When your reality and common sense is shaped by your misguided perception of reality then believe what you want . But regardless of when he would have said this accusation people like you would find it a convenient excuse. There are no facts to support if he did or did not say it. We only know Rudolph lied about being slammed and his hand being caught in his helmet and he didn't make the situation worse. There is no evidence to prove Garrett lied anywhere about his horrid actions or what led up to them.

[@sergeiyzerman7240]

4:00 "Racial slurs go both ways." So then why is it that only the ones toward black players get punished?

[@zutrue]

Because of American History. Because of the WHITE racism. Blacks never made Jim Crow Law. ...now did they!?!

[@sergeiyzerman7240]

@@zutrue what does this have to do with what I said? Are you saying racial slurs towards whites are ok and should go unpunished?

[@zutrue]

@@sergeiyzerman7240 It has to do with the racial history. The social structure. And the over all effect. This ridiculous attempt at distortion of FACT crumbles in consideration and comparison to the above. Your slurs were codified into LAWs. And justified as LEGALITY. So use your preposterous attempt at distortion on RUMPLUCKERs like yourself. Not on someone who is WOKE.

[@sergeiyzerman7240]

@@zutrueLotta big words, but still avoiding the question (woke tactic). Is racial slurs towards whites ok or not?

[@zutrue]

@@sergeiyzerman7240 There is no question that from a strictly moral point of view, NO...using racial slurs toward whites is NOT ok. That was not my focus in the first place. For me, there was never any question about the fact that it was wrong!!! Just as there is no question that RUMPLICKERs use it, slurs against white, reverse racism, ect. as a distorting tactic to HISTORY of RACISM in America and WHO is the primary perpetrator of that history.

[@JSalonsky]

Wow this just got really bad for Myles Jessie Smollet Garrett

[@choice12ozborne]

Hahahah

[@thomasmaddox1733]

Amen!

[@veritas93]

Jason Whitlock. Preach. The perpetual ethnic victimization needs to come to an abrupt end‼️

[@timsgilable]

Check out Glen Loury or John McWhorter. They are people who talk about the victimization subject.

[@tracythomas1576]

You should be ashamed of yourself for the stupid comments you just made ! Wow brother really!😪

[@RUTHLESSMAC]

Preach what? I really want guys like u and whitlock to be with your master and get away from the rest of us!!!!

[@tacohombre3648]

Garrett wasn't trying to use it as an excuse ... It got leaked out ... Believe me when I say this : Rudolph started this ... 💯💯💯 sure ...

[@tacohombre3648]

@abc def I've been in a situation just like this ... I'm far from racist ... One of my favorite historical figures is John Brown because he was a legit abolitionist ... He was a middle class white man that fought with slaves in Kansas and Harper's Ferry ... Chill with that racist stuff because you do not know me ...

[@phife90]

Wiley: Let me explain why OJ had to do it!!!

[@pep590]

Classic!!! Lol!!!

[@AztroZ-cz5js]

Hahahaha

[@rooboo614]

j'amuse

[@emiromiranda1214]

Basically...

[@_barriosmusic_]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Whalers860]

“You waited till now this is the first time your telling this story”!! Lmao 😂

[@sir_nicks_allot_8902]

If I got shot in front of Wiley, he'd blame me for being white.

[@gabrielmezaali]

Wiley sounds smart but I don’t think he has common sense.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ronaldkregar7139]

na, he’s def a high IQ guy....but somebody’s gotta be the contrarian

[@billsmafia1stlt.907]

Ronald Kregar I think you're right, they probably said that the desk had to have different takes. Cause Marcellus' take, was just I'm listening to Myles cause he's black and not mason, cause he's white.

[@JoshuaKimbrough]

@- Cicero he literally went to COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY with a 4.0 GPA. Obvious racist comment 😂😂😂😂😂

[@futurekillerful]

- Cicero idk about low IQ... he went to Columbia didn’t he? That’s an IV leauqe school. But I agree he lacks common sense at times

[@theconservativeliberal6967]

@@JoshuaKimbrough "There's no God at Columbia which is why there is no wisdom at Columbia". He's probably knowledgable but it's not wise to just believe any kind of allegation without proper evidence.

[@danj001]

He didn't call him the "N" word. If he had we would have heard all about it immediately, not 6 days later

[@robertmoss4210]

Nah. Necessarily! That would've been the first thing out of his mouth. That would've been his justification for what he did and he would have damm sure told all the rest of the black players that night.

[@robertmoss4210]

@Phil Alexandre Maybe you and I just know different types of black people. Good day.

[@boricuafrican1]

@@robertmoss4210 that's stupid...being called a name isn't justification for possibly killing him...if the first thing out of your mouth is "well, he called me a name" then you have the maturity of a 8 year old.

[@robertmoss4210]

@@boricuafrican1 I tell you what, go around calling people the n-word and see how close you come to actually losing your life.

[@robertmoss4210]

Being black isn't a justification for being killed either oh, but it's happened more times than we can count

[@jimmymac4559]

Jussie Smollett and others like him makes me not believe Garret.

[@jimmymac4559]

Mike X so the hoaxes are justified in your eyes.

[@JeremiahJai]

am i the only one that comes back to old random debates just to see how much has change? lol

[@JamesJones-bl3fo]

If Rudolph called Garrett the n word Garrett would have said so immediately

[@Gottiline_Ace]

Exactly!! It wouldnt take him catching an indefinite suspension to make that point. He didnt think he was gonna get burned, and when he did he tried anything he thought would gain him sympathy. Which today is nothing more than the race or religion card.

[@Mrbamis22]

How Do You Know That?

[@arthurjohnson2924]

Not really...

[@kyj060792]

Jay Glazer was actually reporting about it immediately after the game he stated he knew right after. Just that Myles wanted it to be kept under wraps

[@soulsearch1234]

Not necessarily

[@swagmoney5075]

Wileys takes have been awful lately, dude is just becoming annoying

[@MaxXxLiesMadder]

Swag Money I appreciate him keeping the conversation lively. It’s necessary to have diverse opinions to make a show good.

[@sancho8441]

@@MaxXxLiesMadder it's a Bayless move. Be a contrary just to be .... No substance.

[@cowboy4life233]

This is most likely not how he really feels, every show needs at least one person to disagree with the majority

[@VicDamoneJr82]

Now What Bayless has substance

[@TheyCallMeGator]

@@MaxXxLiesMadder I understand that, but he's reaching way too hard with the theory he's trying to use.

[@docriley79]

Wow this deserves a 30 for 30 documentary! I dont know how to go with this!

[@garbanzobeans7984]

Even if he allegedly did, does that change his responsibility in his own actions???

[@kaikawasumi]

No, not a good point. The point was never Myles shouldn't be suspended. The point is that Rudolph should be punished sufficiently for his own actions, and that the NFL has a contract with the NFPA that includes players not being able to be suspended indefinitely for on the field actions. But you probably already knew that and are just feigning ignorance. smh.

[@josephmc5049]

@@kaikawasumi it was a very good point.

[@kaikawasumi]

A point that's obvious and that nobody is arguing is a good point to bring up🤔

[@StevenJ399]

Nope

[@verdman54]

I think his agent or lawyer told him to say this.

[@Bdiggidy1]

VERDUCHI MAN exactly

[@justinusberger3933]

Jew lawyer.

[@rockykimpel]

This actually makes the most sense...good point

[@Composer19691]

Here’s Wiley’s logic: Rudolph says he didn’t escalate...his apology was six days later... scripted... insincere...THEREFORE....he used the ‘n’ word. Brilliant.

[@mattsbjjjourney5601]

And when whitlock presses him how does that make you believe he used the n word? Wiley: BECAUSE!

[@mmarchetti7997]

And the b word. 🤦‍♂️

[@zaq91068]

No what he is saying is show me a time that Myles had lied. Now show me a time that Rudolph lied. Oh you can't show one for Garrett but you can for Mason? Well in that case I'm going to take the side of the person who has a more reliable personality

[@bodax1069]

Paul Schuster I’d love to leave a like, but you’re already at 69. So here’s my like lol

[@travish2113]

He’s saying if you’re lying about one thing... what else are you lying about

[@jjbeerj]

Public: “I don’t believe Garrett because he waited 6 days to say talk.” Wylie: “ I don’t believe Rudolph because he waited 6 days to talk.”

[@chuckrambo4401]

jjbeerj Lmao

[@darryltaylor9916]

..Was Rudolph supposed to forsee the garret lie?

[@kethansanford2074]

Whit and wiley need a show together. Audiences like real debate wit attitudes and a bunch of "cutting u off "

[@joeforte7829]

Marcellus Wiley has been married 20 times he will buy anything

[@ericwhitley9974]

😂😂😂

[@DD-sw1dd]

Joe Forte 😂

[@bholaoates1542]

Where did you get that from? I can't find anything to confirm he's been married more than once. Not cool to spread lies about people.

[@seaningram5041]

Would love to know Schlereth's inner thoughts watching these three black men argue over this....

[@robertgray2734]

@Toodank2bunderstood 😂

[@HereIsWisdom1318]

4:43-Wiley says: You can still hear. Just like a third party can hear the caller on a cell phone NOT on speaker phone.

[@leroysanders3564]

Look at Whitlock lying and tap dancing around the situation... he don't even know what players were involved🤔

[@kevinlee3487]

Black people never use racial slurs: according to the NFL, the media, politicians; and everyone else in the world. If your afraid to discuss the truth, it makes it difficult to heal from crying victim.

[@kirkdogg007]

@Clint Redmon u mean prejudice.

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

@@kirkdogg007 No. Racist.

[@UprightCaucasoid]

kirkdogg007 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH word games don’t change the meaning and understanding that we all have. Prejudice against someone’s race is racism, period. Wtf are you even trying to say, “they are racist but it’s not actually racist because they are black and weak, not worthy of criticizing”? You’re the racist

[@deman714]

prejudice is a “preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience,”. Quite simply, it is a pre-judgment that one makes of another that is not rooted in their own experience. Prejudice refers to a preconceived idea about a particular group, while racism involves an unequal distribution of power on the basis of race. Sociologists have found that racism has led to a wide range of detrimental outcomes for people of color, including unequal access to jobs and housing, as well as an increased risk of being a victim of police brutality.

[@jeffmiller5709]

@@deman714 except this isn't prejudice because there is not preconceived opinion in this matter what garrett did was racist

[@williamaaronberryiii6538]

None of this is worth even speaking about!

[@DrLove-vy4so]

Facts either let them fight or stop talling about it.

[@itscork]

Oh, he said a word? A WORD, you say?? Oh....then he clearly has the right to physically batter another player.

[@choice12ozborne]

Well no I think they all agree that even if the do did say that word that's not a cause for the way Myles Garrett acted out against Rudolph

[@RevelationMinistries114]

Nolan Gleason, I just want to ask, are you a black man? Because that is not all black men. We are not all violent and we do not do drive-by when we are mad. That is something that the media has engineered to perpetuate a culture for black men that is not true.

[@delharris4785]

People guess who has the most violent history across the world Who traveled to other places and murdered millions of people mmmmmmmm? Who happily minding their own business Oops they called it discovery , but how can you discover something that what was already there long before you and the so called barbaric old world came killing Foolishness

[@00ghostcobra]

That is far more than just a word; and white bigots made it so.

[@itscork]

T. Rizbone No man. A word is simply a word. Speech is speech, simple as that. You can call my any word you can imagine and I won’t fly into a fit of rage. Why? Do I possess some magical ability due to my skin color? No. I just choose self control. I decide to control impulses and be rational. See? It really IS that easy.

[@chadhansen9504]

I don't care if a racial slur was used or not! That doesn't justify physical violence period!

[@bigtravis6159]

If he said that would his black teammates come to his defense?

[@greggorysteward8915]

Some would some wouldn't. Remember what Whitlock said he was called one and nobody did anything at that time.

[@giant8644]

Bro no one is coming in defense of Whitlock. Even if he was from DC, NYC, South Central and various urban areas.

[@daa_97]

Big Travis cuz it was him and his white teammate on the pile so they wouldn’t of heard

[@ronaldwilliams6244]

Big Travis said the same thing

[@DANIEL_eltravieso]

@@greggorysteward8915 *you said it. Some would some wouldn't. That right there would clear it up. But nobody hesitated for a moment. Proves he didn't say it(according to your theory)!🤔*

[@RamsonOpoku]

I dont disagree with Wiley, but I completely disagree with him on this topic

[@iphoneemail493]

These are all opinions and not facts. That’s what makes it hard to decide. The minute a audio recording comes out one could either be completely right or completely wrong.

[@boricuafrican1]

I don't know how...Marcellus and Lavar are actually using logic...Whitlock is using emotional frustrations as his reasoning.

[@JTorr]

@@boricuafrican1 What video did you watch?! Wiley is using a bunch of contextual BS! He believes Garrett using what facts?!

[@boricuafrican1]

@@JTorr that there's no reason to NOT believe him....that's exactly the point that you or Whitlock can't seem to understand...that's logic.......to say you DON'T believe him because Jussie Smollett lied or because it's 7 days later or etc is NOT logic.

[@boricuafrican1]

@SteelCityBL!ZT what? no one is accusing Rudolph of saying that but Garrett who said he heard him say it....wtf are you talking about?

[@CorviustheCollector]

We got actual players saying yes you can hear on the field. And a dude who ain’t ever played in the nfl saying no you can’t

[@UpChuckTheBoogie]

Every time a black dude gets in trouble he cries racism

[@jaredwatt9846]

Im sure if it was said, dude wouldve told every man on that field what he said and the situation wouldve been worse

[@led_farmer]

Especially the two large black men that were involved on the other team trying to subdue other black man

[@steeler4life]

Lavar tells his story, remembering all of that but then cant remember if he told his coaches or anyone else....f'n bs... 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@stun2187]

STEELER 4 LIFE he’s trying to say that you can temporarily forget about in the moment

[@steeler4life]

@@stun2187 bs

[@ksatpati]

You could see the tears in Wiley's eyes. He is too emotionally invested in this to be credible. Take a step back man and relax.

[@anthonybiamonte472]

Garrett issues verbal & written apologies to Rudolph (and never mentions "slurs" for 6 full days). Browns issue formal apology. NFL investigated slur accusation - finds nothing. CBS reviewed all the audio - finds nothing. Half a dozen players around them - heard nothing.

[@MCamp-ll9mf]

Wiley can’t let that “brotherhood” go. Come on. A week later?

[@Dontbefooled560]

Why does it matter when it came out smh

[@whatthecel7555]

M. Camp Garrett didnt lose himself all over a guy trying to take his helmet off.. lets cut the nonsense hes twice the size of rudolph.. Garrett probably felt pressured after the game and didnt want to make it about a race thing and didnt want to make the situation even worse than it was

[@fonz1776]

If all else fails, play the race card.

[@fonz1776]

@jjosephdubya yeah, that makes sense.

[@karrenjohnson585]

B.S HE SAID IT...MYLES BEING A BLACK MAN N AMERICA DNT HAVE CHANCE. . OF COURSE HE SHOULD KEPT HIS MOUTH CLOSED.....QUARTERBACK ALL INNOCENT STRAIGHT BS

[@jayd.b.9729]

@@Listening4n0w go back to Africa then and enjoy all the modern conveniences there.

[@Listening4n0w]

@@jayd.b.9729 LOL... Hey Devil you sound angryyyyyyy!!! Grrrrrrrr 😈

[@MalevolentElephant]

Or just dismiss anything about race that makes you uncomfortable, like most racists who use jargon such as “the race card”

[@Regionalize_tech]

now we all know at some point the NFL audio is going to get leaked from this game, QB's are always mic'd up and recorded (helmet also has green dot on the back) so everyone just hold your comments and wait and see what was really said.

[@PNWRideAlongs]

The QBs mic and receiver are turned off a few seconds before the snap.. and not every player is mic'd for game sound, it's usually the center and a defensive player

[@Regionalize_tech]

@@PNWRideAlongs you work for NFL films?

[@jakemanges259]

Have a good year buddy @myles

[@smellthis4597]

Wiley is really pulling at straws here to defend Garrett

[@jesusjones1024]

He speaks like a lawyer. A bad one.

[@mrkeels89]

whitlock said something interesting he mad at garrett playing the race card. but not mad at rudolph calling garrett an bully. throwing more dirt on his name when he started everything but couodnt finish it. he still hasnt apologize for those lors he told on camera like he was so innocent

[@JoshuaIS1]

@@mrkeels89 you killed your argument with bad spelling and confusion.

[@TheyCallMeGator]

@@mrkeels89 calling someone a bully (whether it be a lie or not), & someone clearly lying about being called the "N" word are two totally different things. You can't compare those at all

[@gabeg2364]

You compare bully with a racial slur

[@OmegaSupremeWCheese]

Wiley, holding onto that race card, can't let that crutch go.

[@TitusT21]

When black people get reparation will stop using the race card

[@stephenperry9042]

@@TitusT21 No they wouldnt.

[@OmegaSupremeWCheese]

@@TitusT21 Well lets see 40 years of social safety net targeting poor and low income, affirmative action, preferential grants, loans, and treatment in education see weighted SAT scores. Give a flat dollar value, and it will be too small. No matter what, for some nothing will ever be enough

[@calberrynet7]

Crutch you Caucasian fool you're the one with the crutch leaning on the treacherous wickedness of your ancestors to build your wealth but a reckoning is coming blood for blood eye for an eye lol haha

[@lukehoffman877]

Never

[@MrMaxxRated]

How Whitlock gonna tell professional football players they can't hear at the bottom of the pile?

[@battleofhastings7586]

This is incredible. This is a discourse of a generation. There is so much at stake.

[@RavenSylum]

Marcellus Wiley is out of his mind on this one.

[@megankeksey8313]

He's an idiot. What classes did he take at Columbia

[@Iwillroastthesocksoffyoass]

He's out of his mind on a lot of takes

[@tacohombre3648]

@@megankeksey8313 what did he say that was wrong ?

[@jlabdullah]

Of course he's wrong....his commentary opposes the little white narrative that you pale males and your black sycophants like to tell yourselves about equality and merit.

[@cheekynffc8096]

Aren't QB's usually mic'd on Thursday nights? NFL films probably knows if he said it or not.

[@jsunh98]

great point

[@Andysnyc]

Cheeky Nffc Right. Which means if the word was really said during the game, one of the mics would have picked it up.

[@choice12ozborne]

I know Marcellus from way back in the day when he was on spring break in California. He's a real cool guy believe it or not. He may have changed over the years

[@melloyello6464]

Mason Rudolph fallin faster than a reindeer in summer

[@garyjohnson7626]

He is no longer a starting quarterback anymore

[@N0TYALC]

“We caught him on camera saying the ‘b’ word.” So what you’re saying is that the cameras and mics at the game are capable of recording things that are said? And yet there’s no evidence whatsoever of him using a racial slur? Very interesting.

[@seankiesling2054]

Excellent point. Wiley has CTE going on or something after listening to his take on this

[@JesusIsAlphaOmega001]

Lol very sharp remark

[@papaandnanahomestead1467]

exactly

[@inoyvst6786]

N0TYALC If there was audio to negate the league who is going through a racial crisis would def put it out

[@joshuachristopher5181]

He pushed him from behind what are you supposed to say ?

[@kensingcd]

This might be the dumbest position Marcellus has ever been forced to take

[@Earthad23]

Christian Kensing arguments for ratings, let’s never agree and get rich !

[@Ezdoesit0127]

Marcellus sounds like an idiot

[@kensingcd]

station4hiphop me or Marcellus? I had forgotten the Kap quote, that’s up at the top too

[@kensingcd]

station4hiphop ummm... ok....

[@kharisma92]

@@javonttewilliams8663 This is the only response thats true! FACTS!!!

[@my-back-yard]

When you hit someone with a weapon (helmet), you've taken it to another level, even if words were said. There's the difference between battery (hitting) and assault (talking).

[@vernonwhite7422]

Who else thinks Jason Whitlock looks like a toony from Bill Cosby's cartoon from way back?

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

There's literally no way to know either way, so people should just reserve judgment and shut up about it.

[@Superduperreverb]

Aaron Humphrey except Garrett apologized to Rudolph in a statement and never told the media or teammates about the alleged slur. We can use logic when looking at the circumstantial evidence and make reasonable inferences.

[@dislikebutton4981]

@@Superduperreverb Shhhhh 🤫

[@aligaines8476]

QBs are miked right? Players were standing around them, right? Stadiums are loud, not that loud.

[@jameshart264]

You dropped the balls on this one Marcellus. If someone called me that, I would have let people know during my press conference

[@tonypj11]

Whatever Rudolph said, whatever Rudolph did, it still DID NOT warrant the hit with the helmet on the head. Now if Rudolph made some racial comment to Garrett during the incident, if Garrett took a few swings at him with his fist, I'd be okay with that as sad as they may seem.

[@lenbrian9484]

people on this round table are making me sick!!!

[@markdastrup2220]

Wiley debating this subject like he's a member of the Democrat party.

[@ApolloSkillz]

Mark D Lol he probably is

[@tommy9303]

I bet Wiley subscribes to Identity politics

[@blackpinkslave9969]

He's just playing devils advocate, it's all for show for people on these "debate" shows to disagree. They have both sides here too, which makes everyone feel represented lol.

[@adgee5401]

Mark D You would move the goalpost I’m the argument regardless. If I slapped you 7 days ago and you didn’t tell anybody for 7 days, does it change the fact that you were slapped 7 days ago?

[@baltimoregetup9537]

why are you bringing up identity politics you tribal psychos put a party under everything.

[@Superdimensional]

Wiley and the other dude think Jussie is also telling the truth 🤣

[@asiantrick24]

lmao

[@richardcampbell5762]

I agree!!!

[@realrobh]

Neither of them were mic'd up? Did any broadcast mics pic it up?

[@joshverrett6340]

As a black man listening to Marcellus and Lavar make me feel no hope for the Youth of the black community if their elders respond to violence in this way. As black men and women we have to understand that words do not warrant physical assault or abuse. Black people get whooped when they are children for saying things not only for actions. Those are good teaching moments to help a young child understand what they're saying is wrong, but instead of majority of us got whooped instead. No white person ever whipped me, the only whipping I got came from a person look exactly like me. Lesson here is a real man keeps his composure no matter what is said. You can never justify your violence because someone called you a word. Try that in court or to God and see where that gets you. Marcellus and Lavar it's time to grow up and evolve. Think of the message you send to the children.

[@SHA8UTIE]

Josh Verrett great comment!

[@joshverrett6340]

@@SHA8UTIE thank you, happy I could weigh in

[@jayraz8047]

Marcellus"smollett" Wiley.

[@JSalonsky]

Jay Raz LMFAO

[@lacenikks708]

Lol

[@williamsalazar2536]

When all else fails, pull the race card.

[@smokesgtp]

@greenlantern699 he'll be the one locking up Obama and his cabal

[@kent1391]

I try to keep a full deck of race cards with me at all times

[@wilsonfamilymedia5857]

White supremacist

[@sneakypete139]

When in doubt blame the black man.

[@williamsalazar2536]

Pink and Gold glitter kitty When all else fails, blame the white man.

[@maddsweetmickey]

Jason Whitlock sounds like he’s hiding pickles under his tongue 😂😂

[@logicalthinker7832]

maddsweetmickey Jason not Michael bro .. Jason Whitlock

[@LivingGood777APS]

Wiley - not an attorney but he plays one on “Speak for Yourself”. 😂

[@RedHoodFH]

Nobody: Wiley: "Joosey Smooyey is innocent"

[@jey4908]

It's Juicy Smul-yey, sir. lol

[@bodacious117]

Lol yep basically

[@chadsullivan4409]

Red Hood lmfao

[@furious79]

Subway? SANDWICHES?!?

[@briankampsky8156]

in case of emergency break glass and pull out race card .wiley still believes jussie smollett

[@colinmartucci6369]

@R J drop your sociology class lol

[@TheDeven1000]

Kendrick Moore if you want to judge a group of people for the actions of others, especially people from a different generation, don’t then say you shouldn’t judge black people on the actions of others ie crime statistics. You can’t have it both ways. You can judge as a group or you can judge as an individual. You can’t have both

[@jay-uu3sc]

@R J tell us more, racist coward.

[@MikeLoftus_]

Do words justify physical assault with a deadly weapon? Answer: No

[@MikeLoftus_]

Donny Tate words are just that “words”. Physically assaulting someone over words is how you lose a job / court case / your freedom. EVERY TIME.

[@MikeLoftus_]

Donny Tate if they don’t have self control they get exactly what they deserve.