She-Hulk: Attorney At Law - LOL, Nope!

So the trailer for She-Hulk just dropped. Let's take a look, shall we?

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@jasoncornell1579]

I'm guessing this is one Tatiana u won't be going near right Drinker?

[@derlich09]

100% epic woke fail!!!!! (At least Captain Carter has DD cups. )

[@emmottrosaschi9841]

Does she hulk get a boost of power if she is PMSing

[@AmazingLucasExposed]

Surprised you didn’t Race Bait like you did with America Chavez “Guatemala Chavez” “Venezuela Chavez”

[@vids2002]

@@emmottrosaschi9841 Yikes..

[@TheTsugnawmi2010]

Side Note: In the comics, She-Hulk LOVES her powers and has no interest in being "an anonymous lawyer". In fact, she sees them as a gift because Bruce gave her an emergency blood transfusion which saved her life. Meaning she went from being an aspiring nobody on death's door to a superhuman renowned lawyer (very easy to advertise herself as a "super lawyer" and represent the Avengers). The point is Jennifer's life got way better thanks to the Hulk, but Bruce's turned into a nightmare. This is because the Hulk is a manifestation of one's inner psyche. Bruce is a victim of childhood domestic abuse with repressed rage and fear. And this right here means the Hulk is Bruce Banner's DEFENCE MECHANISM. If Bruce is getting angry or scared, the Hulk assumes Bruce must be in danger and bursts out to destroy everything in sight then run away somewhere isolated and quiet. "Hulk just wants to be left alone!" is one of The Hulk's most iconic lines. This is also why Hulk calls Bruce "puny" - it's self-loathing from Bruce's abuse. Compare this trauma to Jennifer's much healthier pysche with strong aspirations and it's no wonder that their respective 'Hulks' are worlds apart, and Jennifer desperately wants to help her cousin. So, if you change this fundamental part of Jennifer's character, you also change her relationship with Bruce. Yet another example of a female character being someone who girls could look up to in the 90s and 2000s, only to be "modernized" and "fixed" for bitter women. See also: Mulan.

[@scottcross9561]

Yes exactly! Jen was a female version done correctly.

[@Mongoosesummoner]

Rebuttal, Gamma Radiation induced powers have always had a psychological bend to them based on the receiver's various issues. Being turned into the Hulk is in no way, shape, or form the norm with that stuff as The Leader can attest to.

[@lukactj]

You haven't even seen the show yet and considering this an origin story it will very likely end up like that

[@paladinluke37]

@@lukactj Right like chill

[@bankaizangetsu6465]

How about yu let the story play out 1st no one would b okay with turning into a hulk without an adjustment period

[@robothips8159]

In the comics she needed a blood transfusion from Bruce. This gives her the gamma powers of the Hulk but much milder side effects to her psyche. She was timid and meek in her human form but in She-hulk form she was the strong confident person she always wanted to be which is why Jennifer preferred that form.

[@FamilyAcademy1]

I wonder why they changed the back story.

[@madselmvig1457]

@@FamilyAcademy1 How do you know they did? It seems that the car crash we see in the trailer, could be the need for blood transfusion.

[@itmademesignup9508]

@@madselmvig1457 It is modern entertainment...don't know where you've been the last decade, but that is about the safest bet imaginable.

[@nischay4760]

@@madselmvig1457 but she's literally standing straight inside that glass containment, cracking jokes

[@EternalCharax]

@@nischay4760 That's probably Bruce training her on how to use/control her transformation. You don't step into a chamber with fucking circular saws in it to gain powers...

[@nathan1507]

Female characters *can* be memorable. You just have to- you know- actually write them.

[@GangstaStan010]

Have you ever read She-Hulk?

[@swerzye4472]

@@GangstaStan010 nope, he hasn’t. Most people in this comment section haven’t

[@richards1708]

@@reyes8143 Except the way she was portrayed on the Dr Strange movie doesn't really work. She basically killed of dozens of people to get to her make belive children and specifically children who already have a mother instead of you know going to a universe where they are orphans or maybe adopting someone else's or maybe making them? Did they ever address why she can't make her fictional babies in her universe but somehow made them in others? I also saw a video about a number of things she's done in the comics and the long story short she isn't really much of a hero she's more like someone who has superpowers that means well but often ends up making things worse and killing people in the process. Then it feels likes she's a villain but no one will be able to properly control her as a threat.

[@reyes8143]

@@richards1708 yea she kinda wasted as a villain but her development is still great nonetheless. She could be the next biggest threat in the avengers saga since she’s far stronger than thanos. If anyone is wrong, its the MCU. Her character is fine.

[@richards1708]

@@reyes8143 I wish I had the link to that video with me of that is how she is in the comics she's not fine at all. Maybe in the movie world before multiverse of madness.

[@amcconnell6730]

Me: Wow, that was a pretty savage review from the Drinker, for someone who hasn't seen the first episode yet. *Watches Frist Episode* Also Me: Wow, the Drinker went pretty easy on this garbage.

[@jaredt5127]

Oof stones:

[@gramer3593]

How did we go from The Incredible Hulk to …this?

[@jakenguyen1150]

@@gramer3593 money

[@RouxTheKitsune]

I was gonna say, He didnt even watch the show He said that Jen wants these powers because *REASON* She got in a car accident in THE FIRST epasode that gave her hulk powers by accident She didnt ask bruce to give them to her

[@andrewi.crocker8675]

@@RouxTheKitsune yeah, it also shows he doesn't actually give a shit about the comics, because this is a 40 year old character, who ALWAYS got her powers from a blood transfusion from Bruce, it was never voluntary. This video makes it obvious he's never heard of this character before, and thinks Marvel just came up with her because WOKE!!

[@weebiron]

She-Hulk and Bat Girl aren't bad characters. Modern media just can't adapt them in a way that doesn't seem garbage because they have to stay in line with THE MESSAGE.

[@CordellPotts]

There are no bad characters, only bad writers.

[@Launchpad05]

And for people to get excited for NEXT PRODUCT!

[@fireboltaz]

She looks like Fiona from Shrek

[@pandaman1331]

Isn't that pretty much the case for every modern movie?

[@stijnvdv2]

uuuh question.... is this She-Hulk or has Fiona from Shrek gotten herself her own movie? Seriously I can't tell...

[@antonnurwald5700]

You know what the worst part is? A story about a lawyer who cleans up after superheroes is actually a great idea.

[@tba113]

That pretty much sums up my view on an awful lot of media over the past couple years. Genuinely interesting ideas, but so thoroughly ruined by putting them in the hands of all the wrong people that no one else will risk touching them for a decade or more.

[@normadgarmez7026]

It is... That's why She Hulk could've worked as a show. Besides being the typical Superhero show, it also adds in the court case drama.

[@malaimaren10]

Like the Boys??

[@philillustration8424]

I was just thinking that. Something like Suits crossed with The Boys could've been cool.

[@jonathanferguson7791]

I had the same thought, like there's an angle, you could explore that. I'm sure there is LOADS of creative depth there. But nah, fuck that.

[@crimefightingspiderling9798]

“Is there anything worse than dating in your thirties” has the same feeling as, “you think your life’s tough? Try being a girl wearing size 11 Nikes” so I have absolutely no hope for this mess

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

You remember that movie too?

[@kri249]

She chose the life of a career woman so suck it up.

[@CursedWheelieBin]

Who you trying to convince? lol You’ll still watch it

[@TheManWhoErasedHisNane]

I won’t especially since this looks less like She-Hulk and more like Fiona. EDIT-Also it might be shit.

[@sianais]

*when you wear a size 12 in shoes* My life must be absolute sht then...

[@magicat9705]

"Hulk transform and his shirt rips off. She-Hulk transforms and only her shoes break. That doesn't seem fair, does it?" -Scarlet Witch

[@doomslayer8641]

I’m so tired of every single Marvel character being a cocky, arrogant, overconfident, narcissistic, jokey, quirky, and borderline sociopathic moron that says nothing but quirky quips and one-liners in every situation. I hate it.

[@thebigcheese8948]

I feel you on that one

[@TheStupidrule]

Avengers made a lot of money, so now all studio heads think the key to comic book adaptation success is to make every character a knock-off Joss Whedon character. These movies and shows will have to completely flop before they change direction.

[@Jashtvorak]

And EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVRYONE is talking at the same time and really fast.

[@stelmaria-mx]

That's actually a real character trait She-Hulk possesses

[@WickedParanoid]

@@stelmaria-mx "That every single one of them possess" FIFY.

[@sparkmaker9638]

“Anger and fear…are just, like, the baseline of any woman existing.” So I’m guessing she’s an attorney without any experience representing men in Family Court.

[@Jummugest]

Its not even an absurd thing for a girl to sayI don’t know why people are focusing on one shitty quip.

[@CmogVT]

@@Jummugest because it implies that men don't experience the same thing on a daily basis and perpetuates the victim mentality that feminists weaponise with everything they come into contact with.

[@OrthoLou]

@@Jummugest it hilariously sums up modern feminists, so..

[@slave_to_cinema]

Its true for men as well but women are more open and intuned with it. I thought the line was funny.

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

Why do I feel like any new female jedi would say that when her master explains anger and fear?

[@cinemint]

"Superheroes are just narcissists." *Proceeds to act arrogantly and only do things that benefit herself.*

[@Zac_Frost]

Yeah. Captain America totally threw himself on a dummy grenade in training to help himself, and was willing to give up his life at the end of that movie for the good of the world because he'd gain something from it. Totally a narcissist, am I right?

[@andrewwibel819]

Yea. That's the point. Its called a character arc. You know where they learn from their experiences......holy fuck...are you 12?

[@luchomscyfy]

Peter Parker in Spiderman 2: "Am I joke to you?"

[@Rinksiderips]

@@Zac_Frost Captain America was a man. And white. That's the definition of narcissist if I have my woke psychology right...

[@kennethsatria6607]

Clearly she has never known any of the Avengers. HELL THE HULK puts his life on the line on many occasions for the greater good even when he thought himself a monster and hated what he is and the people that hunted and feared him. DOUBLE HELL Black Widow sacrificed herself as well to save the lives of millions, Tony, Thor, Spidey, Strange- Every fuckin one of em has made the hard decision. She better have a character arc to be humbled by what it means to take up the mantle of a hero. But in this day and age that is unlikely.

[@bambamnj]

My understanding is that they changed her origin story from the comic books. I am a long time Marvel comic book reader, I quite way back when they started with all the SJW, Feminism stuff. Yes I hated Ms Marvel/Captain Marvel and continue to hate the character today with her bloviated abilities that make no sense. Anyway, in the comic books Jennifer Walters, the lawyer is shot by a bad guy. Bruce Banner is forced to do an emergency blood transfusion in order to save his cousin's life. His blood then alters her into the She-Hulk. In the movie it appears the Bruce and Jennifer are in a car accident and Jennifer pulls Bruce from the wreckage. Which makes no sense since any thinking human being would have thought Bruce would have changed instantly into the Hulk, just as he did when he tried to kill himself. Anyway, during her "rescuing" of Bruce apparently his blood somehow magically seeps into her body. (another almost completely impossible event). Not only that but enough of his blood gets into her body (not being attacked by her own white blood cells) to change her into the She-Hulk. Even putting aside all the stupidity involved in this new origin story, the big question is WHY? Why was it necessary to change the origin story? What problem did She-Hulks Marvel cannon origin story create that made it necessary to change it? One final comment: I guess Marvel doesn't understand that young boys/men are the ones who primarily read comic books. In my entire life, and I am not a young person, I have found very few women who give a sh*t about ANYTHING related to comic books. Not saying there aren't any but come on, what maybe 10%.?

[@nothanks9407]

Female comic book reader here. There’s lots of us! Just wanted to clear up that in the show, Bruce was wearing his ‘inhibitor’ device to keep himself in human form. So that’s why he didn’t change to Hulk, and also why he bled.

[@Walt305]

I agree it was a perfectly solid origin story I dont understand why they changed it

[@kitsune8460]

She Hulk : I'm a lawyer. It's a demanding job. Daredevil : First time? She Hulk : I have a frustrating family. Daredevil : You have a family?

[@SK008]

Unfortunately they are about to ruin Daredevil.. whatever movie or series comes out with him, they will nerf him down..

[@tric5122]

deadpool and his girl conversations, would actually be hilarious to see these 2 going at it like that.

[@Jose-se9pu]

She-Hulk: "I dont *see* why are you so upset about this" Daredevil: "...really!?"

[@Jose-se9pu]

@@SK008 They turned Kingpin into a joker, and what little we saw of Daredevil in NWH...yeah. Rumour is he will have a cameo in this show, he will basically just show up to get fucked by Jennifer.

[@pickle6583]

@@SK008 Daredevil is easily my favorite show because its gritty, honest and actually builds the characters and leaves the audience to decide whether it's for better or worse. Best part is that its not preachy at all. At first I was excited to see him in Spiderman, but now after seeing these new shows and movies, I'm horrified.

[@Hila2205]

"the transformations are triggered by fear and anxiety" "That's like, the baseline of having a Disney+ subscription nowadays"

[@chrisprilloisebola]

Lmao

[@QuestionEverything562]

@@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe Not even a movie, bro.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe lol keep spamming the same malding bs kiddo

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

Smart people cancelled their Disney + and use free websites for that rare 1 out of 100 shows that’s half way decent. I wouldn’t pay a dollar a year for Disney + lol

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@JesusGonzalez-kg2fe aNd tHoSe oF kArEN. Lol goofy kid, keep simping for marvel ig. That is why you are a little kiddo.

[@saqqaramizrahi3321]

All I could remember when watching this trailer was the heartbreaking line Bruce gave when he told the other Avengers he’d attempted suicide because he saw no way out of everything that being the Hulk was. That line punches me in the gut every single time. And now he’s just…putting another human being through that so casually? What the cinnamon toast fuck-

[@gregorywalpole8442]

Clearly he changed his mind after Jen told him it couldn't have been as bad as dating in your thirties.

[@mffmoniz2948]

In the comics he had a choice between saving her life but giving her powers or... letting her die. She could transform at will.

[@reignman30]

Well he perfected hulkdom and learned to control it, so it's totally different now. I mean look at her, she's completely normal as hulk. To me, that's the dumbest thing about the hulk character now. There were consequences when he was a mindless rage machine. This would have been better had she not been able to control it, having the idea blow up in Bruces face.

[@blechb5317]

@@reignman30 She-Hulk’s always been in control of her stronger form, it’s something that’s separated her from her cousin throughout their histories. It’s essentially her but with all inhibitions shed. She’s strong in her own right, but she’s not nearly as powerful as her cousin.

[@Delimon007]

Originally she was on her death bed apparently which makes one hell of a difference. . .

[@ironybob]

Kinda weird how the Hulk actually makes sense anatomically speaking, his limbs are trunks and he’s massive which fits super strengyh She-Hulk however is just… tall green girl

[@justforever96]

But of course just as strong as he is in spite of still being physically feminine and much smaller. Because that's definitely how muscle works. I guess they are just magical muscles that bear no relationship to their physical size. Which begs the question, why the hell does Banner need to physically grow to enormous size? Why doesn't he just suddenly turn green and assume enormous powers while his body stays the same? Or just a much smaller more agile size at least. If the strength has mount nothing to do with physical size, why do we need the enormous body and bulging muscles? Just to look more intimidating? Sure, right.

[@THX..1138]

A bad sign about the quality of this show is the fact no one including the Drinker even bothered to complain about the totally crappy CGI 🤣

[@Dani_77709]

....wait you're right. Oh man.

[@deathpie24]

It's a meh

[@tgd02]

aint too shit looking tbh

[@bryank971]

Shrek re-imagined Brought to you by Marvel

[@DMPthebox18]

Yeah its not that bad .

[@arandompasserby7940]

"Your transformations are triggered by anger and fear" "Those are like, the baseline of any woman just existing." I'm glad that no man goes through life filled with feelings of fear and anger ... we just play golf, drink beer and point at boobs all day, every day.

[@atimelongforgotten5166]

Honestly playing golf seems like a good way to relax given the hectic nature of these last couple of years,might be nice to try out one of these days

[@gunstarhero8028]

That sounds like heaven

[@DexDexter0]

Male privilege, high five!

[@ninjaturtlefan2003]

Sssshhhhhh! You can’t tell me what our lives are actually like! Do you want them to find out?

[@cyberdelicxp9125]

😆

[@kyguy3242]

"That is for billionaires and narcissists, and adult orphans." The irony of how narcissistic that line sounds...

[@ankitprasad2016]

All they have to do is have a follow up line from the other character, "You don't Say' "I guess you fit the Bill", Etc It can be pulled off

[@TheFranzkfk]

Superior not narcissistic.

[@iTeacupPanda]

I mean she isn't wrong. She's saying it's for people who feel the need to prove something and want to show off. She's like " I'm 30 and cry into my cereal at midnight because life kinda sucks. That's not me. " Which isn't narcissistic. Her life isn't where she wants it atm. It's not dramatic and she doesn't fit the bill or have the personality type. She's just some lady with powers now and no aspirations that line up with them.

[@kyguy3242]

@@iTeacupPanda I get what you're saying, but at the same time, so much of this trailer was her "showing off." And to top it off, she said that line in a super condescending and prideful way. I'm sure there's going to be a moment of humility for her, in realizing her potential and personal responsibility, but based on this trailer alone she was nothing but narcissistic, in my view. So, it just seems ironic that this is a stipulation for her.

[@leonardodornellas8304]

Narcissist that sacrificed himself to save the universe .

[@agx8447]

To be fair, I have a cousin 32 years older than me so that’s definitely not the most unrealistic part about this show

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

My mom has an uncle thats 15 year younger than him

[@olivercrespo2329]

That adult orphans and billionaires line is hilarious, obviously it’s in reference to Tony Stark and Batman, which is funny to me because the main narrative of the McU is Tony stark learning to become a selfless man, great way to discredit him, Batman was never a narcissist, if anything he’s self loathing, to an unhealthy degree. Also which one of the others avengers cast qualifies in those categories? None of them.

[@susragejr477]

TONY SACRIFICED HIMSELF TO SAVE HALF THE UNIVERSE, WHY IS THE SHREK LADY TRASHING ON HIM

[@BWMagus]

What the fuck is an "adult orphan" anyway?

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Lol. no Stark was always an arrogant narcissistic tool. Bruce was always a sociopath out for vengeance

[@HuckOrris]

@@susragejr477 tOnY oNlY dId It FoR tHe FaMe.

[@susragejr477]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 and Batman is a man constantly trying to make the world a better place to the point of harming himself 🗿🗿🗿

[@josephpatterson78]

If they legitimately make Jennifer's transformation nothing more than "Yeah, let me do this..." then I'm absolutely out. Jenn's origin was that she received an emergency blood transfusion from Bruce after an accident (which I assume is the accident we see in the trailer), and it rendered her green, larger, and still completely within her mental faculties. She saw her powers as a GOOD thing, and she became a metahuman lawyer because the supers really didn't have an advocate. This bastardization of both her and the Hulk is...gross.

[@WeirdTale]

I agree. This is character assassination.

[@L4nd0C4lr1s14n]

Honestly as obvious as that is, and with the flaw of the only person able to give her a transfusion being Banner, I’d still prefer that. At least she has thoughts and good reasons, not some vain bullshit like what you’re going to see here. I’m out on MCU.

[@anomaly395]

And now they’re gonna fuck up Abomination even harder than they already did in Shang-Chi. I bet you they’re gonna make him a complete joke instead of the power-lusting, viscous monster he was in Incredible Hulk. God damn it Disney.

[@scottmantooth8785]

*“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.* *those who know the source of the quote have exceptional geek cred*

[@SunwardRanger83]

I just love how one of the key points they seem to be pushing is just how depressing and difficult dating is for a woman in her thirties right up until she has an elective medical procedure that changes her physical looks and size. I don't know if that's the writer's own personal experience or just their bias, but either way I find it hilarious.

[@RodneyBryant39]

Yea noticed that too lol

[@NexusKin]

I'm in my 30s, and I've taken good care of myself, so I can easily pass for someone in their 20s. It's sad how some people think that if you haven't dated by a certain point in your life, then you're a pathetic incel who has passed their expiration date.

[@dianebrooks1859]

Maybe she shouldn't have done a ton of cocaine in law school haha. Am in 30s and still pass for 20s. Regardless, been having loads of fun in life taking trips, going out, doing things. Definitely have more money now that I'm in my 30s. Other people I know spent all day crying on their 30th. Ok whatever I took a 3,000 mile road trip for my 30th. You do you I guess 🤷

[@dacksonflux]

I found that to be pretty funny too. I'm hoping she wasn't even close to being serious. I think women should be sarcastic and comedic too. It's just difficult to judge based solely on a trailer.

[@dacksonflux]

@@dianebrooks1859 seriously! I'm approaching 30 and a phenomenal trip with my bestie sounds amazing. Stealing this idea right now Anyway, it's 2022, we don't even hit our prime until we're 40. Change my mind. Before, it was when you're best to have kids. That doesn't define us anymore. Why are we acting like this is 1560 and I'll die of old age by the time I'm 50?

[@StrangeUncle01]

"I'm sure their wives' boyfriends must be very proud of them." The lines man, the lines. Killing it.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Total swipe.

[@justforever96]

That's not even very original, I have seen the same used plenty of times. Well executed but I don't think he can take credit for that.

[@allantidgwell5624]

Feminists: "stop saying women are too emotional" She-hulk: "anger and fear are the baseline of women existing"

[@CorePathway]

Dude, learn to read the room: Blacks can say -igga, Jews can joke about Jews and women can talk about other women. STAY IN YOUR LANE and never mind the insanity.

[@ryand6906]

Also men say "nice ass" they get punched for toxic masculinity women says it "you go girl!!!!"

[@DrCruel]

@@CorePathway If we've learned anything from Ricky Gervais, it's to always tell the hard truth to their faces and politely invite the lane minders to kindly piss off.

[@Esperologist]

@@CorePathway I think that joke was delivered a little too dead-pan. Almost sounds like you are serious.

[@mrshmuga9]

And the writers are supposed to be progressive, lol.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

The problem isn’t the character, but the writers. Back in the 1980s, John Byrne wrote “The Sensational She-Hulk” and it was a funny, well written series that had Jennifer Walters as a funny, likable character. If we didn’t have incompetent, ideological writers writing this show (along with so many others), She-Hulk would be just as good a character as she was back in the 80s.

[@Apeiron242]

I loved that series!

[@nateh1135]

How was it different? Jc.

[@simos6jipros154]

@@jibzzzzzzzzzio where she sounds about as charming and fun as a dead squirrel

[@frankficcle7081]

@@jibzzzzzzzzzio The purpose of a trailer is to make people want to watch the product. If people don't like the trailer, whose fault is it? And how can you blame people for talking about said trailer?

[@mew10521]

Was it a popular comic on the 80s?

[@jarrettgreen1948]

The fact that so many writers can’t create good female lead movies without horribly blasting and dehumanizing any male character says a lot.

[@superdave8248]

One thing I can honestly say. I have no understanding at all where this phase of Marvel is going. I can't claim I have watch any series other than Moon Knight in its entirety but a collection of these new generation of heroes joining together to fight some global menace such as ending the threat of wet paper bags just seems so absurd. First they give us The Eternals and give us a poor explanation on why they weren't in End Game and then they give us Egyptian gods and goddess and their human representatives and they don't even mother asking the question where these gods were during End Game. Hell, it might as well not have even happen at this point. They keep wanting to give us the next " "bestest ever" while bashing white men. As a prime example. They wanted a new Captain America so we get ex-falcon to take his place. You need a new improved falcon, so Moon Knight gives us female Falcon 2.0.

[@randompoorlydrawndragon3076]

The only good ones right now are from cartoons

[@ConorJTobin]

That’s what was great about Wonder Woman - she stood on her own merits in the movie, alongside Steve Trevor, not despite him. He had his own strengths. I feel like there’s a lot that writers could learn about their dynamic.

[@hellogoodbye4061]

@@ConorJTobin Alas, feminist writers can not think outside their "men evil and toxic, women stunning and brave" mindset. Sadly, we're likely in this woke era for the long haul.

[@matteomastrodomenico1231]

@@ConorJTobin I'm still surprised the first Wonder Woman movie was free of any of the modern feminist rethoric, especially considering that it came out in 2017, when it was at its peak. And that just makes more infuriating how later female superhero movie turned out. They literally had a perfect template and chose to ignore it.

[@MortSalazar]

I liked She Hulk from the 90s Hulk cartoon She wasn't pushing any agenda or anything Just one, confident, charming character Also having 20 years gap between cousins is not unheard of

[@watchoutbinzillazabout5960]

they could be 2nd 3rd 4th 5th cousins , there could be a much bigger gap lol there is between me and my 5th/6th cousin Rocket Ron Haslam

[@Kureemy]

I’m a high school student that has a first cousin that already has a husband, one son that is a year older than me, and a daughter. It’s definitely not unheard of.

[@petewisdom1984]

"I just want to be a normal, anonymous lawyer." Which is why she signed on to take cases involving super heroes which will obviously be highly publicized and involve tons of exposure for her but whatever.

[@SunwardRanger83]

Well, it does seem to speak to the mindset of women who dress to show off every inch of their bodies, then complain when guys look.

[@arkainjalex12]

Most career-focused people go where the money is. Higher profile jobs usually pay more.

[@jimdotbeep]

The trailer implied she wasn't given a choice.

[@SergeyPupkoMusic]

Should have just says "I just want to be a contradiction" and I would have been like "finally, a bit of honesty."

[@jimdotbeep]

@@SergeyPupkoMusic She-Hulk got her powers from an emergency blood transfusion. The blood needed to come from a blood relative and Bruce Banner was the only relative she had available in the small amount of time she had in which to have the operation.

[@oscaro3157]

Gotta love how it took Hulk like a decade to gain control of himself, and she-hulk does it in 20 minutes. Just like how Rey in star wars just immediately becomes a master with zero training.

[@datboiashy2957]

Welcome to THE MESSAGE of Hollywood

[@noelordz7813]

Exactly

[@CamReeds]

it's because her situation is different she is ment to be a inverse that's how she exists in the comic

[@TheWizardGamez]

Well… technology?

[@tylove7992]

She-Hulk's been like that since the 80's

[@Zac_Frost]

The thing that's truly sad is, this could have been a really good buddy cop-style superhero story with Hulk and She-Hulk. In the comics, Jen got into an accident and needed a blood transfusion. The only person available was Bruce, who hesitantly agreed not knowing what the side effects of his Gamma-infused blood would be. She got a much milder version of his "Hulkness" allowing her to stay in control of herself at all times while transformed, and with enough training, became able to switch back and forth at will. She initially didn't like it, but eventually came to accept and embrace it, and grew into the role of a true hero. This on the other hand... just looks like content.

[@blackmage6842]

That's all it's meant to be...Content

[@ambtax1]

..but we can't have a man saving her now can we. No matter how fantastical or true to source the reason.

[@Zac_Frost]

@@blackmage6842 True, but I'm sick of "Content" I want something good for once. All of these new characters they've ruined right from their introduction could have been great if any of them gave a solitary fuck.

[@blackmage6842]

@@Zac_Frost Yeah, well marvel is doing well enough that they can pump out "content" and it does well. No need to change.

[@doc_eh2747]

I mean, they only half-did half-skipped-over the buddy cop thing twice already, I have no hope for them to do that formula right.

[@tjp72675]

Disney has turned the concept of Hulks into a joke. Back in the David Banner/Bill Bixby era, when his eye color changed, you knew the shit was about to hit the fan, watching that as a kid scared the shit out of me, and that was the point, Hulks are supposed to be scary. Then comes along Disney, and first we have Hulk not wanting to come out in Infinity War, then in endgame, they turned hulk into a comic relief with Half Banner/Half Hulk. Now, She Hulk is just an Ally McBeal or Sex and the City sitcom, why not just add a laugh track to the show, too?

[@manavpreetsingh5154]

the laughing track would improve the show

[@alessandromannucci8663]

I'm just here to say this: I'm a 47 years old tv writer from italy and every time Marvel or a Major Hollywood Studio drops a trailer I'm really happy, but not for the movie or series itself. It's because I know that The Critical Drinker will make a video about it. Seriously, thank you for what you do. Mannucci

[@ClaytonNeuner]

This is so true. I’m the same way and he gives me more entertainment than anything. I never watch anything but his channel I always watch!

[@Ben-rz9cf]

As a fellow screenwriter i often find myself wondering why none of my personal scripts get optioned when garbage like this sells. Only scripts I've ever sold was people hiring me to write their own concepts, no one wants to even read mine. I was once at a really fancy cocktail party and had a chance to chat with a big name producer and he said they were starved for good writers, i told him its super easy to find good writers, i know plenty. He said where are they hiding, i said you know you guys don't even accept unsolicited scripts on your website right? The first step to actually hiring competent writers is probably just not screening them out at the front gate.

[@SardonicJosh]

Same, somehow I like watching Drinker and other people’s reviews on modern cinema than the shows and movies themselves

[@badconnection4383]

@@Ben-rz9cf The reason you don't get accepted and garbage does is because you aren't attached to a brand.

[@FullMetalB]

@@Ben-rz9cf if everyone is rejecting you....where do you think the problem actual lies?

[@OrthoLou]

I personally appreciate that they're being upfront now instead of tricking us with the bait and switch. Saves me a lot of time!

[@ZimCrusher]

Still waiting for the New Warriors TV show. :P Maybe we will get a Squirel girl movie soon, as well.

[@chpsilva]

Wasn't working anyway.

[@L4nd0C4lr1s14n]

Friendly advice, if it’s an MCU release, save yourself time and just don’t watch nowadays.

[@OrthoLou]

@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n eh, I'm not as critical as many others, although I understand the anger and distrust of Disney. No Way Home was great (Sony, mostly, I know), and I enjoyed Black Widow, Shang-Chi, WandaVision (until the end), and even Hawkeye. I like Doctor Strange 2, as well, and even made me forgive WandaVision a bit more since Wanda was evil. Loki I heard enough awful things about to not even watch, didn't see Eternals and don't plan to, Moon Knight started off interesting and wound up being a big disappointment, and Falcon and the Winter Solider I hated more than any MCU project before it (including Inhumans). I also won't be watching Love and Thunder. I judge each project individually.

[@malicethedevil]

MCU Execs: "We need women to like Comic book characters!" Fans: "There are women who do like comic book characters." MCU Execs: "But they're not Feminist enough!"

[@steveouk90126]

Feminists everywhere: "There have never been any women in comics!" [Wendy Pini has entered the chat]

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

men and women have their areas of interest. there's probably a lot more men that like comics than women and that's fine. when my aunt was a teenager she read a lot of x men comics. now she mainly reads manga. if women want to read comic books, there's nothing stopping them.

[@benedictcucumberbatch4447]

@@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife said women aren’t feminist enough.

[@missmarbles6980]

Woman here. I like **MALE** comic book characters. Why the hell would I want to look at females?

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

@Robert Monroe if marvel want more female fans, then they should make more original female heroes with complex characters don't have the sole personality trait of smug.

[@Tartags]

“Female characters aren’t the problem. It’s how their depicted” quoted by a video that a saw not to long ago. Some of the female characters like bat girl or bat woman isn’t bad, I actually like a few of their versions but it’s how they are now depicted is the problem.

[@dantheman759]

As soon as she says “Bruce, I don’t need you too mansplain everything” I’m tipping my cap and waving farewell to the mcu.

[@budmelman7134]

Yep. With this series and the current condition of the M-SHE-U, I fear this is the last time we'll see the Hulk.

[@CC-zw9ku]

Good lmao

[@mroctober3583]

sensitive incel levels off the chart here

[@dennisrounds1996]

For some reason any time a man discusses something passionately or in depth it’s called “mansplaining”, When a woman does it, it’s a Monday. No , it’s anytime they open their mouth.

[@thetallgrass]

You haven't already?

[@AnomalyINC]

I have an old She-Hulk comic from the 80's. She grew into one of my favourite Marvel-characters after a time. She was different enough from Bruce to provide her own appeal. She could control her own transformation, but she did not get stronger the angrier she got or anything. It was a fixed power level. She did keep her intellect, though. She was playful, sarcastic, flirty and had a habit of breaking the fourth wall a good decade or so before Deadpool came along. She was a bit of an 80's non-radical feminist. You know, the strong independent woman who was secure in her own sexuality? Not the angry, spiteful harpy that tells everyone how independent and powerful she is while throwing tantrums when she doesn't get her way. Walters was an interesting character. She had hit the superpower jackpot, she wasn't sulking around and bemoaning her tragic existence, she punched bad guys, made bank as a lawyer, and was notoriously fond of men, with the occasional nod to the audience and/or writer. It wasn't overly dramatic or tense, it was mostly just fun. Leave the pathos to the X-Men and Spider-Man, girls just wanna have fun. The opposite of modern, "All-New" Marvel.

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

_She could control her own transformation, but she did not get stronger the angrier she got or anything. It was a fixed power level._ Well, I just found this out and it's kind of interesting. Apparently, her powers amplify her own natural strength, which basically means that if she trains and gains as Jennifer Walters, her strength as She-Hulk will increase _exponentially._

[@mrliteral9347]

The 60-issue run of Sensational She-Hulk from John Byrne IS a great comic and WOULD make a great show!! However this does look like a sad woke modern adaptation. Apparently we can't just have complex entertaining characters who possess strength & confidence as well as human insecurities & struggles; they need to upset the establishment and save the world through being better than everyone. Oh well.

[@otarthelazy63]

The incels are going wild with she hulk

[@The_Mighty_Fiction]

@@otarthelazy63 Dude, it's the 'Wonder Woman' pilot all over again and you _know_ it eats.

[@revenantical6930]

Do you know who the writers were? And illustrators if you may?

[@elitegamer9310]

When she said "being a superhero is only for billionaires, narcissists and Adult orphans", my interest died.

[@elitegamer9310]

Oh, great. A bunch of bots.

[@john_squatson]

By billionare-narcissist did she mean Tony Stark? Tony Stark who literally sacrificed his life to save the universe?

[@craz7644]

Yeah,same here

[@meatpuppet5036]

@@john_squatson These are female heroes, sacrifice and struggle aren't in their lexicon.

[@FireJach]

@@john_squatson because the show is before Endgame

[@Blacksoul444]

I honestly thought Disney learned something from the reviews on star wars. Creating a super-powered-woman by gifting her all the skills and immediate abilities where she is without training instantly better than the male counterpart, while also making all the better jokes and having the more interesting life, is not realistic at all.

[@Jay-og4yb]

Apparently in the comics that's how it was and if that the case then fine. My gripe is they contrast it with hulk being a fucking goof. Can't have strong female characters without degrading the male ones

[@nothanks9407]

Damn, does NO ONE read the comics?

[@jessicaluk74]

If want realistic watch documentary or something not superhero show

[@Blacksoul444]

@@jessicaluk74 superheroes need to believable as well

[@DisturbedGeneration]

You're wrong on one part. Rey never existed before hand. And never was gonna exist. Shehulk has exist as a comic for a long ass time. So at least shehulk didn't just pop up out of nowhere, as the granddaughter pretty much satan

[@lance134679]

"The transformations are triggered by anger and fear" "Those are like the baseline of any woman just existing" - well, the writers, for sure.

[@Tyler_W]

That must be a really sad and depressing existence...

[@gabrielboorom2683]

If you ask me, the transformation must be triggered by insecurity and entitlement. Things that are the baseline for "strong empowered women" living with first world problems.

[@MSinistrari]

I am beyond sick and tired of that constant statement of women being constantly angry/afraid. It misrepresents all of us women.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

@@Tyler_W I know a lot of women that are like this. Totally a coincidence that those are the ones I avoid...

[@landrysaathoff2418]

In my humble opinion, it’d be better if she said “Those are like the baseline for ME just existing”. Telling people that they are scared and mad all the time is less effective than seeing a scared/mad person overcome their fear and leverage their anger.

[@CdrChaos]

The minute she disrespected every single hero who came before by calling them narcissists and adult orphans I knew we were not in for a good time.

[@arisel0v360]

No shit...I chucked the TV remote so hard at the screen, a freaking wormhole opened up. 🙄😑

[@jackmrsich3178]

@@arisel0v360 You watched it on your TV? And not like your phone or computer or laptop? Edit: Ok I get it, but is the She-Hulk trailer really worth your TVs time, better yet anyone or anything’s time.

[@veggsbacon1891]

@@jackmrsich3178 Streaming on tv, duh.

[@veggsbacon1891]

That's cuRRenT amurican geek CULTure right there. It's disgusting how these people can't do things right nowadays...

[@arisel0v360]

@@jackmrsich3178 I had just bought my Dad a new 75". Hopefully he kept the receipt. 😅

[@patrickrunyan4410]

One more thing: "What's more depressing than dating in your 30's?" Serious answer: Dating in your 40's, 50's, 60's, etc., which is something people who ask that question tend to find out as a result of being the kind of ungrateful person who would ask that question in the first place. But I get that's the kind of character they're making her out to be: shallow, insecure, and getting in the way of her own happiness. It's basically a female comedy trope at this point.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Its hilarious how they always try to appeal to minorities, but made a terrible job at it...they just told all women in their 30s who are still single that they should be depressed.

[@MrTaxiRob]

Hey bro, I didn't ask to be born. And the type of women I USED to be into all have green or purple hair now. I certainly didn't ask for THAT.

[@jasonrick6148]

>Women >Being funny

[@jonnyg9865]

Old school She-Hulk started off a wallflower before becoming Queen Green. Maybe here she starts off a cynical and jaded spinster before embracing the She-Hulk persona? Considering Marvel's awful track record of late I don't have high hopes.

[@vojacked305]

People are just in denial and upset about finally someone surpassed that tall zombie lady. Better be cradled to smoochie time by a smokin green hot chic than a tall pale lady probably smells like a corpse that turns out to be a giant flying rotten flesh. Besides, death by snu snu is the best way to go, right? 😉

[@mtheg671]

I think X-23 gets a pass because she's Wolverine's daughter, and her origin story and current story doesn't try to spread THE MESSAGE

[@tednolan]

The thing is that in the comics, She Hulk has been a really good character, especially when drawn and written by John Byrne: Attractive, smart, and fully aware of the fourth wall. The version from recent comics -- I can't even.

[@Ariescz]

Didn't they quickly scrap the "man She-Hulk" after they got blasted from all sides? Last I heard, she was back to looking like she used to

[@boneman9751]

See it’s not impossible. My first reaction to ultimate Spider-Man was oh cool, black Spider-Man. Then Spider-verse made me think differently about him. His story paralleled peters, but it wasn’t a copy, Peter’s was about responsibility while miles’ was about expectations. A character might seem like a trait swap, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t be compelling or interesting. Now when I see miles I don’t think black Spider-Man, I think hell yea it’s miles Morales. I changed my mind on him because I could relate to him on a personal level and I was invested in his story, and shocker, I’m not black. His race was never a driving force in his character in that movie. It was all about his personal struggles, which anyone can relate to regarding of race. That proved to me that he wasn’t just black Spider-Man, he was so much more. But when writers don’t put effort into their characters and have their race/sexuality/gender dictate their character, it’s hard to see them as anything more than those labels. If you make a show about batwoman and the entire time all they talk about is how she is a woman, it’s really hard to not look at her as Batman but a woman. So yea I agree, it’s possible, just so much damn pandering keeps obscure characters who happen to be minorities from shining. Ruins their potential. Worst of all, they’ll never been see as anything more than a black Spider-Man or female Batman

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

@@boneman9751 Eh, for me Miles was the weakest part of Spider-verse. His story boiled down to the same milquetoast message that they keep giving to the 'minority' characters: "Just believe in yourself more and you can do it!" I liked Miles in Ultimate Spider-Man because he had to deal with feelings of inadequacy and worried he wouldn't measure up, especially after Peter died. But they just keep trying to shove him and Gwen Stacy into everything and it doesn't work 99% of the time.

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Sexy and Smart

[@mffmoniz2948]

I got to know She-Hulk a lot more when she was in the Fantastic Four for some time. I liked her. Hot, smart, confident. Both as She-Hulk and as her alter-ego. There was this one story where she was sunbathing in the roof. Topless. Some paparazzi in a helicopter took pics. When the pics got published (even her lawyer self couldn't stop it)... wait for it. They colour corrected. Instead of green skin, it was "corrected". So now no one would believe it was her in the pics.

[@kd9749]

Now, I’m not a woman, so I asked my wife if she lives in a constant state of anger and fear. She responded by letting out a deep, disgruntled sigh and and asked me “what feminist bull-shit have you been reading now?”

[@hoppa_2184]

That is hilarious. xD Hope you showed her the trailer. ^^

[@etsequentia6765]

Your wife obviously has a serious case of internalized misogyny 😂

[@debbiehenri345]

Spat my tea for laughing, and then tried to think of when I was last angry or fearful. I couldn't even remember.

[@TomFynn]

You, Sir, are one lucky husband.

[@burtknighten1873]

She's a keeper

[@SparkY0]

"She's a strongly written character because she can be punched 100 times without dying" -somebody who gets paid more in a year than I will in my life

[@johnniewalker7499]

The Punisher: pathetic

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

@She- hulk Thank god! Finally...

[@darkseid6898]

Nasty woke trash. Only sheeple keep on paying for Disney's leftist propaganda.

[@theserpent8667]

How unfortunate.

[@nestormentoso]

"somehow he returned" describes movies/series writers these days

[@sqwalnoc]

when I heard the line about anger and fear being a womans baseline, my eyes rolled so hard they almost fell out of my head

[@RogueFox2185]

I would unironically have more faith in Saul Goodman being my lawyer if I was a superhero over the MCU She-Hulk, her comic counterpart pre-2016 was an amazing character and drop-dead gorgeous before they turned her into Gigantor.

[@FriskuStrife]

Facts, Saul is an amazing Lawyer

[@tinycmo]

There are some instances in this world, that Saul might be the better choice.

[@skylx0812]

...Gigantra

[@e.t.1947]

Hi, I'm Saul Goodman. Did you know that you have rights? The constitution says you do! And so do I. Conscience gets expensive, doesn't it? For a substantial fee, and I do mean substantial, you and your loved ones can vanish. Untraceable. I want it in a money order and make it out to Ice Station Zebra Associates. That's my loan out. It's totally legit … it's done just for tax purposes. After that we can discuss Visa or Mastercard, but definitely not American Express, so don't even ask, all right? You're a high-risk client. You're gonna need the deluxe service. It's gonna cost you. If you're committed enough, you can make any story work. I once told a woman I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it. I never should have let my dojo membership run out. Better safe than sorry. That's my motto. As to your dead guy, occupational hazard. Drug dealer getting shot? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say it's been known to happen." Don't drink and drive, but if you do, call me.

[@RyanTh3Great]

Saul Goodman is honestly a pretty capable lawyer

[@thedarknessmagician5234]

Hulk: “The transformation is triggered by anger and fear.” Me: “You mean the two most prominent emotions people who like good stories feel when Marvel makes a new show or movie nowadays?” Hulk: “Exactly”

[@slevinchannel7589]

All this will definetly hurt Real Woman. Gender-Swapping and making Everything Female is so f-ing weird. No problem with female Superheroes but Wokeness is just S-it.

[@thepizzafoogle5481]

@gas the bikes Damn bro

[@ravenironwing]

It's a pretty stupid and sexist line really. Women are not all angry and afraid.... I am rarely either.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@ravenironwing Yep. Funny how se-ist Woke often are.

[@marcelostalker]

At least those are emotional reactions. Star Wars fans have already crossed to the point of apathy.

[@Ciberbuster]

Actually, She-Hulk is a well-fleshed-out character in the comics and a nice spin on the hulk concept. While Bruce is an intelligent, sensitive man with trauma who transforms into a Violent Savage, Jen is a shy, meek woman who transforms into a confident reliable Bombshell. While Bruce hates and is at odds with the hulk, Jen loves and becomes too dependent on She-hulk. In both cases, the main arc for these characters is to close the gap between their two inner persons, to become full beings.

[@cityguard4847]

Exactly. Now, I don’t like Drinker’s first half the video. Seems to be a faithful interpretation so far.

[@scarlettcaporn8765]

Love this comment

[@shen5533]

Yeah, but these guys over here think that She-Hulk is just another copycat of Hulk

[@TehThespian]

@@shen5533 Right? He read She Hulk's description like she hasn't been a character that has been around for over 40 years at this point. Honestly I think these guys are just mad the MCU isn't gritty and like to pretend the MCU before Endgame was way more serious and dramatic (fyi: it wasn't. The only real drama in those 10 years were the Cap movies and Infinity War/Endgame

[@langbo9999]

She HULK in the 90's hot hot hot 👍

[@CUSELİSFAN]

This show is actually really funny if you think about like this: it is a social commentary on how modern women see themselves vs the reality. Jen believes that the world is holding her back, while she is the one who is a failure. She thinks men are the problem, while it is clear that women hold her back more then women. 🥳

[@CUSELİSFAN]

Consider this: the show's villian is a woman, yet Jen is a feminist. 🤔

[@justforever96]

I don't care if you can actually find some humor in it, I'm worried about the intent.

[@stefanhoppe9280]

Old comic-Shullkie is actually pretty awesome. She’s fun, loves life and her powers, and used to be Marvels resident 4th-wall-breaker (her spads with the artist about her „costumes“ are legendary) before Deadpool. I still fondly remember the Marvel Heroes game designers running completely wild with her lawyer theme (with her skills named things like „Objection!“).

[@makurei6888]

That would be VERY cool if it was an "Ace Attorney" reference, especially when Phoenix Wright is in the Capcom vs Marvel game.

[@X-Posed23]

I have to say when I saw the name of the show I was excited, it reminds me of the old school She hulk days.... I loved her when she was in the FF as well "hey what is big and green and has a staple in her navel" one of my favorite covers.

[@RionE23]

I started a drinking game with “the drinker” Every time take a shot: - THE MESSAGE is mentioned - Tyrion Pukes - Don’t know guy makes an appearance Sh&t I’m already drunk.. still.. it’s better and more fun and entertaining than watching the actual show or movie the drinker is talking about.. Hats off to you mate! 🍺

[@jonnyg9865]

LOL "Don't Know Guy." My favorite.

[@Blackness101]

After that shot of her holding the guy like a baby, I think this show is someone's wish fulfillment

[@gelibeanz_]

When I was a kid and I saw Edward Norton as Incredible Hulk I thought, “oh my god, this is it they’ve found the perfect hulk actor and just like the others he did such a good job they’re gonna keep him!” My heart was broken when I saw Avengers and it was mark ruffalo. I was actually sad. Marvel, you made a 14 yr old cry!!!

[@SHEGradon]

In She-Hulks origin (whether we get this or not) she is in an accident and needs an emergency blood transfusion, and Bruce is either the only one on hand or the only one who is compatible, I forget which. So the powers of Hulkiness are kind of thrust upon her so she can survive rather than her just choosing to become "a Hulk" In the comics her main struggle is initially not wanting to be noticed as She-Hulk, but eventually embracing She-Hulk as her alter ego as she realises it helps her get ahead in life, in hulk form she becomes more assertive and driven, she even uses it to gain male attention, her carrying a hunky man into bed is very her. I was actually surprised this trailer leant on her sexuality at all. However she eventually comes to realise that this isnt "the real her" and has to strive a balance between Walters and She-Hulk. She-Hulk is a pretty good legacy character, and as a fan of some of her comics, what's shown here hits the beats of her character quite well. Having said that like many others I haven't enjoyed much of the MCU in recent years and I don't have much hope for this either. I have everything crossed for it, but I have little faith.

[@chileanyways196]

Exactly.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Yup, but cant wait to see them fucking up her origin story, or her being mad at her cousing for saving her life without her permision.

[@AndrewThoesen]

Wow that would have been amazing if we could have gotten ANY of that from the official trailer that cost millions of dollars to put together instead of conjecture from nerds in KZbin comments

[@jirdan4870]

Yeah. People hate the carrying the guy scene but I thought that it was one of the scenes that were really old she-hulk.

[@obi-onekenerdi]

Very well put. There seems to be this disconnect between those of us who are actually fans of the source material, brainless idiots who will consume everything with the word Marvel or Star Wars on it, and then the general audience aka normal people. I want these things to be good not because I’m a pea brained simpleton but because I love these characters so I genuinely care about how they’re perceived in popular culture. Comics are awesome, there are plenty of stupid ones but the medium itself is great. Superheroes are awesome too, it’s just like a lot of things though the general public will lose interest after a while and I think that has happened to an extent with the MCU now. Many people will see ‘she’ hulk and think it sounds stupid like it’s just some woke thing, when in fact she’s quite the opposite. To be fair Marvel is shooting themselves in the foot with this marketing, this wasn’t a great trailer, but then again it is just that, a TRAILER. Some people are so overly and needlessly critical of something they don’t even know everything about yet. Anyway, here’s hoping the ‘messages’ of this show aren’t too ‘girl-power’ heavy and more center on Jen’s struggle to balance her true self and her greener other side.

[@Krazzy88]

The problem with 'Strong Female Characters' is they always try to make other characters feel small. Instead of showing that female characters can be just as good as male characters.

[@maryasuestark5208]

Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids. #Brandon2024

[@user-hz2mk8fh7h]

Like women ususaly do to men when they want to feel better....

[@ShinzoX90]

I mean they cant 😂

[@anjo1726]

↑ he's right, you know

[@Us3r739]

Women can’t be physically stronger than men. This character makes no sense

[@thedragon8355]

Thank God you got to this... I just don't want to damn my soul by exposing myself to such evil.

[@slipperyeel9206]

Shows with awesome kick ass women that both men and women can root for: Ghost in the shell Crouching tiger hidden dragon Terminator (1&2) Matrix Red dawn Resident evil There are more but the point is that they are female characters which are powerful, inspiring, educated, intelligent, etc…so this isn’t a “woman hating” thing. The problem with characters like she hulk is their non stop whining coupled with simultaneous unearned bravado and topped off with snooty and holier than thou wokism which makes even the strongest of stomachs churn with illness.

[@kristopherhayes486]

She-hulk: "those are like the baseline of every woman just existing" Me: naw that's just every feminist on twitter

[@WarlockX4]

What a miserable existence right? To be angry and fearful all the time. No wonder these women have permanent "resting b***h face" whenever you see them.

[@kristopherhayes486]

@THIS why do you show me a video to a dumpling video?

[@r_quiem6288]

@@kristopherhayes486 Why would you click the link!?

[@kristopherhayes486]

@@r_quiem6288 err... Curious I guess.

[@user-BadUsername]

@@kristopherhayes486 dude you doomed your feed

[@papermelon]

Her statement about fear and anger with women feels oddly sexist for a studio of people so desperately trying to spread “the message”.

[@ncamachoguy]

Yes, but anger and fear because of "patriarchy ". 😆

[@Odious_One]

Its a sad attempt to try and show its not just spewing the rhetoric they always do. That's why its in the trailer.

[@shawerful5209]

She is woman, her entire existence is *"THE MESSAGE"*

[@funonoldwheels7150]

I'm surprised that they didn't align her transformation with her period

[@0912sooli]

Well, strangely as a woman I resonated with the "fear" part

[@TZ587]

The best and most nuanced female characters are strong in their own way without being strong in EVERY way. Once upon a time, screenwriters even remembered that.

[@victorkaranja1420]

if you mean in the physical sense that thats abit unfair to the screenwriters considering she was made decades ago and was also mainly comedic

[@meesironman]

Lmao, I love how he roasts tf outta these shows without even seeing anything but the trailer but his predictions always come true

[@chromosomedcollector]

Drinkerdamus

[@osmanyousif7849]

Well he may be a drinker, but he’s not an idiot.

[@justforever96]

Most of them. He was off about her volunteering for the procedure. But the actual events were even more ridiculous so that's okay.

[@twyx6928]

I love the idea, that the implicit message of the show is, the only way women can make it in this world, is if they become as manly as possible. Empowering isn't it?

[@Six_Gorillion]

"Strong woman" is just a man with a cunny? Always has been - Feminists.

[@ichisirus]

You can say that with "Trans" women in females sports, but I digress.

[@peachy_lili]

@@ichisirus that's quite the opposite of digressing, "Ichi Sirus"

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

With the help of a large, muscular man.

[@nugget3687]

This isn't meant to be a message about women in general, its just about a lawer who gets super strength, I guess a women can never get super strength super powers without someone like you saying it's trying to give that message

[@puma51921]

I have no issue with strong female characters. You just don't need to make the male characters emasculated mommy's boys, to show how tough the female characters are.

[@space_pollution]

This comment made me think that maybe the people who write like you described do not think that a woman at full femininity can measure up/be equal to a man at full masculinity. I’m not saying I believe this, because I don’t, but maybe that’s what the writers unconsciously think or believe

[@kathycoleman4648]

@@space_pollution That would make sense, given that feminism has spent almost a full century trying to convince people that anything feminine is inherently worthless.

[@timyumichuck9262]

Keep your racist opinions to yourself

[@Strikerkong]

Most of these "strong women" characters are just jerks.

[@willcresson8776]

Zoe and Kaylee from Firefly come to mind.

[@LydiaKrow]

"That's just the default state for women" - really? I'm sure someone intends a certain message with this, but to my it just reinforces the old "women are hysterical" stereotype. Way to go, progressives!

[@etsequentia6765]

The message is "women are emotional wreck because they have to live in a male dominated world, so no female failure is their own fault but it's the patriarchy's fault". The standards misandric feminist message we've been fed for the last many decades. Rinse and repeat.

[@gamemediafan1714]

And don't you love the timing of this trailer when you have people like Jada Pinkett Smith and Amber Heard being exposed? Yes, I'm 100% sure that it's women always living with fear and anger. Not the men who's lives can easily be ruined with false accusations and biased courts.

[@Emarella]

I hadn't seen the trailer yet and had one of my guy friends playfully asked me "So as a woman, is it true that the default state is anger and fear" and my immediate response was confusion. I told him no (and half-jokingly followed it up by saying "It's more depression now") but as soon as I watched the trailer, it made a lot more sense where the question came from, haha. Even after watching the trailer, I still don't really get what they were going for. If the line had been "Emotional is the female base-line" or something of that nature, now THAT I could get behind as true from my experience!

[@LydiaKrow]

@@Emarella Ha, well said! Yeah, I feel like I have an idea of what they are going for based on other narratives I've seen, but they missed the mark. Oh well, it's Hulk not Hawkeye. :D

[@LydiaKrow]

@@gamemediafan1714 For real... no more one-way streets. We get on so much better with our men when we're in this together. That's true for so many things!

[@insectslayer1374]

Fem Hulk: "I'm not a superhero - That is for billionaires and narcissists and Adult Orphans" Iron man: "superheroes? Like wise, intelligent, and capable individuals?" Batman: "I think she meant 'successful human beings' " Superman: "she's referring to 'selfless and kind hearted people' " Deadpool: "uh oh fatherless behaviour" Spiderman: "take it easy man- her cousin's right there" Hulk: "no no- I don't feel angry... just a little disappointed"

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Dream stans

[@dr.downvote]

Groot : groot

[@ballerinaonamusicbox]

what

[@rafferdx]

She Hulk is one of my all time favorite heroines, and even though I’ve come to understand and appreciate Eric July’s criticisms about tokenization, Jennifer Walters was always more than that. Gamma radiation affects everyone differently in the comics, so while Bruce has a Jekyll/Hyde dynamic around pure rage, Jen’s dynamic was more a shrinking violet vs powerful femme fatale charisma. Bruce hated the hulk because of how powerless and out of control he felt with his condition. Jen would literally never change back because she liked the power and thrill of being She Hulk over her normal self. They showed her as using her powers as an escapist power fantasy that was going to her head rather than the feminist power fantasy of “Yaas qween, about time the outside matched the inside,” but they also gave her an irreverent, 4th wall breaking personality that wasn’t just “me good, thing bad.” I knew I was going to regret them bringing her into the universe and this trailer has only affirmed my fears.

[@Dimmary]

This is EXTREMELY CRINGE

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

She at least in the MCU didnt come earlier pre 2016 so unlike so many that are still going post Endgame getting ruined, she has no previous film version to completely dump on. So they can be as stupid as they want with this interpretation

[@AnthologyOfDave]

Who tf is Eric July?

[@cuttingchai8231]

Good to see that there's nothing to miss about "modern" entertainment.

[@jjcoola998]

Marvel fans are seriously the worst

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

@minij hooi She didn't exactly set the bar high

[@darkflame1254]

Yep,tear it all down

[@flavourruling2162]

You know what I do miss? Trees. Grass. Nature. Camping. Tubing. Being stuck on a gravel bar on the river for 5 hours trying to push a 1 ton jet-boat by hand with two people and a log. That’s what I miss. Modern entertainment can’t compare. 2000s - 2010s did, when I was single digit ages but now I’m in my 20s? Nature is so much better

[@daviddavidsonn3578]

entertainment? it's all propaganda!

[@From-North-Jersey]

There was a print run of she-hulk done by the artist, writer,genius, Canadian John Byrne that was absolutely amazing. Everyone loves Deadpool with his 4th ball breaking shenanigins. Byrne did that back in the 80's with She-Hulk. Think of the old bugs bunny vs animator cartoons and extend that over a 5 year period in comic form.. The book was drawn with a lot of "cheesecake" as they used to say (especiall the covers, to this day I want Sensational She-Hulk Issue 40's cover as a poster.) The human persona was a thin mousy plain girl who felt invisible and alone, and part of the reason she loved being She-Hulk was because she looked hot and guys paid attention to her. She sort of becomes addicted to being She-Hulk and doesn't want her human life anymore. I am pretty sure this show will suck, but the Byrne run is some of the best "Crazy 80's stuff" ever printed.

[@From-North-Jersey]

I meant to say 4th wall but 4th ball made me laugh.

[@memtub8782]

I feel like the trailer is not doing the show justice AT ALL, like it's confirmed the crash is part of the MCU she hulk yet they barely show the crash, instead treating she hulk as a slice of life comedy,

[@Jose-se9pu]

There is also the "Green and Single" run, which was pretty good, Jennifer is just a horny 7 ft tall green single woman who is also a lawner, the comedy writes itself. This trailer seems to hint at them adapting that room, but with a poor script, and 1999 CGi.

[@Danishdrums]

I liked her when she replaced the thing in fantastic four too. No need for preaching woke crap, she simply showed by her actions and general sassy personality, that she was a badass female superhero.

[@Krysnha]

Please today, today writers cant make you laugth even if theyre life depeended on it

[@bosstoober8782]

you can have a 30 year age gap between cousins. Heck, you can have an uncle who is a good few years younger than the nephew

[@jonathanryan9946]

If we go back to who they were as characters before THE MESSAGE took over film/show adaptations and the comics. I'd argue She-Hulk, Spider-Woman (Original only), X-23, and Batgirl really are very good characters in their own right and fairy different from the characters they're based on. That said, most of their modern adaptations are terrible. In some cases, for example, it's almost a running joke in the comics that Spider-Man and Spider-Woman have nothing to do with one another and have very different powers, origins, and pantheons of characters they hang with. Spider-Woman was nearly an Averager from day one, Private Eye, and Agent of Shield; while Spider-Man was never an Avenger (at least for his first 40 years) and just a street-level crime fighter who occasionally teamed up with The Fantastic Four and X-Men (the more successful comic lines until the MCU). This of course all changed with Brian Michael Bendis in the 2000s, basically he wanted lots of minor heroes (which included Spider-Woman, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist) to reform the Avengers with Iron Man and Captain America but back then that was a team of nobodies, so threw on Spider-Man and Wolverine on the team too boost sales... and it worked like mad. Anyways before that point Jessica Drew was basically just Jessica Jones but also working for Nick Fury and hanging with Ms Marvel (before she got hijacked herself and renamed Captain Marvel) back at this point though she actually had character and personality while being super flawed and far from a Mary Sue (my how times have changed). Anyways it was just after this run that both Spider-Woman and Ms Marvel got ruined by THE MESSAGE, they used to be incredibly good and well written characters.

[@whoisamp620]

That makes me sad. I like the idea that THE MESSAGE is supposed to promote equality and whatnot, but it feels like the older (better written) characters were more capable in achieving that by creating individuals could actually empathize with. it seems THE MESSAGE's is counter productive today because it reduces characters down to one dimensional beings, defined by what makes them oppressed, yes it can be a factor but not the ONLY one.

[@arczero1623]

Yeah I actually really enjoyed the 2006 run of She-Hulk and can't even look at the modern comics. Ms. Marvel I actually like for her shapeshifting/growth powers. I fucking love size changing and shapeshifter/fast healing powers. So when the trailer for Ms. Marvel made it clear they're doing some crystal bullshit and completely invalidating the trials and tribulations Kamala went through with some stupid bracelet, I cannot be assed to watch that show. However, if this one keeps the original She Hulk intact, that the Hulk form is largely a boon for her career, she gets stronger/buffer in Hulk form if she does weight training in human form, and some Fantastic Four run-ins or cosmic shenanigans, the show will be all I want from it. I'm a sucker for literally stronk woman, not stronk woman TM. The forced stuff about women all having anxiety is so cringe it actually wraps around to being based. The dating over 30 message is actually relatable and relevant for women that shit isn't all peachy if you just pump and dump men. So the message of this could actually be good!

[@StephenHampton_DesignDesk]

Agreed. I loved the character of Spider-Woman in her early days. Unique, Hydra-linked spy stuff. Tied in nicely with Captain America as a bit of a super-powered Black Widow character and had nothing at all to do with Spider-Man. Now she/zee/zer/zem/unicorn is just angry, pregnant and man-bashing. No thank you... sadly.

[@Ytomany]

The original batgirl is not a good character barbra was better as oracle her as batgirl isnt interesting cause she is just a normal girl who wanted to be superhero and in comparison to anyone else in the batfamily she kinda stinks, cassandra was wayyy better as batgirl way more interesting actually Stephanie brown was the worst.

[@kittenluvzu]

THE MESSAGE is a joke. It is synonymous with entitlement and privilege. Real women work their asses off and produce great stuff people want to read like the Harry Potter series.

[@chadsaturday3300]

Couple things I thought about after watching the trailer 1) Dating at the age of thirty isn't depressing, especially if you're gorgeous so i don't think her dating options are so limited Not to mention she can turn 7feet tall so there shouldn't be a shortage of dudes who're more than willing to get Snu snu from her 2) Bat Girl, Super Girl even She hulk aren't inherently bad characters in the beginning it just depends on the iteration and yeah there were some bad ones that came along even today 3) Why the hell would she *willingly* undergo the same procedure Bruce did to become the Hulk especially when she she wants to be normal? The original backstory for her back in the day made much more sense in context 4) That "baseline for all women existing" dialogue speaks volumes about the type of people writing the fucking farce 5) Never seen Shang Chi (unfortunately) but I was fucking surprised to learn that Abomination was still around in the MCU 6) I feel like animated version of her as well as the Sensational She Hulk iteration I'll bet is a much better portrayal of her character than what was shown in the trailer 7) Why the hell would reporters try to hound her? Given the amount of shit that's happened in the world they live in the news of a lady hulk walking around shouldn't really be considered front page news... 8) If she's a prosecutor that deals with Super hero predicaments why didn't she try to bring Wanda to justice?

[@virianelui8628]

Shang-chi was good actually go watch

[@natejb06]

Shang-chi actually wasn't bad, it was way better than the eternals and black widow.

[@joelcomer]

shang chi was pretty good just wacky

[@chadsaturday3300]

@@virianelui8628 Really? It was? I should probably go check it out right now

[@virianelui8628]

@@chadsaturday3300 ok

[@Rurik_Luci]

If I remember correctly in the comics the reason she becomes She-Hulk is when people are trying to kill Bruce she gets injured and to save her life he does a blood transfusion with his own blood which gives her a lesser version of his power Why can't they do that again? Why couldn't they have it be that she was injured and to save her life Bruce gave her a blood transfusion? Oh yeah he's a dude and he can't be doing things that are heroic or smart or not stupid

[@Cyberleader672]

How do you know that's not what's going to happen. We haven't seen what exposes her to Gamma radiation yet. We've only seen Hulk trying to trigger a transformation after she's already exposed

[@darkoale3299]

Are you dense? Did you not see the scene with the car crash foreshadowing what you just wrote. Bruce also says in the trailer that she didn't ask for this.

[@scottcross9561]

Im fairly certain that is what happens. Notice the car crash. Fairly certain that the bad guys try to kill Jen and she needs cousins blood to save her life.

[@newtpondskipper]

Doubtful they would do this as it doesn't show it as "her choice". That would be something inflicted on her by an outside effect, can't have that.

[@PhilipAlexanderHassialis]

This. Her comic origin story is REASONABLE and LOGICAL. Plus, before the incident, she was a decent lawyer in active practice, therefore a (at least to an extent) reasonable person able to face legal and other challenges in a calculating and serious way - she had the skillset for that. Dunno if it ever happened as a team up but I would love to see a classic SheHulk vs Matt Murdock court drama comic. What I *WOULDNT* want was to see this shitshow of a show :S Edit: my opinion is, some people in Disney want to give some of the "Messagers" some B/C-Tier characters so they can do their Messaging stuff without frigging up the heavy major players. God bless RDJ and Chris Evans quit, at least we will not get a perversion out of the classic versions of the characters. Hopefully. Not in the near future. LIKE PLEASE GODS NO.

[@ralfvandeven3155]

Not only she-hulk can think and talk normally, but the hulk can as well as he creates the she-hulk. What social justice isn't accomplishing these days. It's a miracle I tell you, A MIRACLE!

[@SycrosD4]

That’s not She-Hulk… Dang. She’s such a fun character in the comics and cartoons…

[@dokuganryu1565]

My only real exposure to her was thanks to UMvC3. And even then I can tell you're right.

[@Breakaway-ic5gj]

Yeah man that's Shrek's wife

[@Daemon1995_]

how inaccurate is this then?

[@dominic9585]

bruh people already shitting on the show before watching it.

[@TheMightyMidget]

@@dominic9585 The trailer was dog shit

[@Mythos1981]

“Anger and fear…are just, like, the baseline of any woman existing” In Defence Of Amber Heard? LOL

[@jibzzzzzzzzzio]

wha-

[@virianelui8628]

Oh bye

[@Ancient_Tribesman]

😂

[@unicron99999]

Some of yall are taking that line way too seriously... If anything, that was the exact opposite of a feminist remark, and a funny jab at female emotions.

[@Mythos1981]

@@unicron99999 could be both actually and judging from what path Marvell has taken lately i don't think it was making fun of women, more like excusing their behaviours because of this.

[@ms_rifle_spiral]

Personally I really love She-Hulk, at least before they turned her into a big green brick. Personally I think she's a pretty good, funcharacter and the spin of her keeping her intelligence and rational thought unlike Hulk make her more than just a CTRL +C then CTRL + V job But then I saw the trailer for this series and I am incredibly disappointed in the direction it's headed. They just watered her down into "haha aren't I a relatable adult woman haha". Like if my memory serves correctly Jen became She-Hulk involuntarily after getting a blood donation from Bruce, but in the trailer it's like she only wanted to become She-Hulk because she wanted to be tall and strong and that's about it? It speaks volumes and it feels so much more shallow to me

[@darkseid6898]

Nasty woke trash. Only sheeple keep on paying for Disney's leftist propaganda.

[@plzletmebefrank]

And then regretted her decision she made voluntarily.

[@iasked147]

@She- hulk duuuuuude😐😐😐

[@chileanyways196]

No that’s how she gets her powers. Did you not see the car crash?

[@teh0wnz0r76]

big facts bro. another creative, cool character ruined by the agenda

[@LVTHORAscending]

She's basically just a tall Fiona from Shrek.

[@xikungao2376]

"Fear and anxiety are the baseline for a female just existing" And lady that's why you're still looking for a date in your 30s

[@tottallyok]

“Fear and anxiety” at least sounds somewhat sympathetic. But she said her baseline emotions are “anger and fear” which sounds like someone I would avoid.

[@ldorman]

No, she choose a job and career and then with 30 she realised that her biological clock is now ticking louder. I know a lot of women in their mid 30s / early 40s what where not sleeping around but worked hard. You all remember the: be a strong, successful independent woman thing? Well, they realised that no-one gives a damn about their big house, fancy car and making + £ 60.000 plus bonus a year. On the contrary, the most men don't care or don't even try to compete with them. I meet recently a woman, she's 40 now. When she found out how much I make, her response was 'only" - and I was thinking - I don't know a lot of people what work in IT & Security making what I make - in what world does she live - turned out she earns 10k less then me. This 'high' expectations, their behaviour pretty much disqualifies them of meeting someone.

[@SolidSnake240]

@@ldorman Hypergamy in full effect lol

[@ruffusgoodman4137]

@@ldorman Dated 2 girls around their 40's. One was really apathetic towards sex, but craved lots of attention and caring (which drove me away eventually). The other was bipolar. Both didn't have kids. The cougar spirit was trying to break lose on both, but everytime you'd ask them what they're looking for in a relationship, the classic answer would come: "I don't knooooow....."

[@jayclearmen411]

@@ldorman sheesh is this what i have to look forward to..Yikes i’m exhausted just thinking about it yeah; No thank you..NEXT! i’d much rather just keep on getting 1-nighters till im tired of getting laid an work an travel till i die

[@jonbradley4044]

Glad you called out Mark Ruffalo for being the epitome of "I support the current thing"

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

I always thought he was a good choice for Bruce Banner. He's one of the few people who hates himself as much as Bruce does.

[@AverageInternetButterfly]

If this was a parody, then maybe I would accept it. But considering this is an actual MCU show, not gonna lie, they should've stopped at Endgame.

[@lore2587]

They can't...got to get even more money..even if they are a 50/50 chance they fail

[@KratosisGod]

They'll keep churning out shit until people are fatigued of MCU and they stop making profit

[@tomasgrant2506]

I mean atleast we got no way home and moon knight, it's not like they are super good but still i think they are cool

[@gliizee]

Yeah ngl i used to love Marvel but they seriously peaked at Endgame and now everything is woke and politically related with ass writing and corny lines. It's kinda sad to see how far the MCU has fallen.

[@Age_of_Apocalypse]

For me, the great run of Disney/Marvel ended with Avengers: Infinity War! 😭

[@paulbecket7399]

I thought it interesting how they changed her origin. In the comics she is injured and needs a blood transfusion and the only person near enough to give it to her is her cousin Bruce Banner ...so she gets her power from him.

[@mehanich4891]

Why does The Incredible Hulk looks much more realistic than THIS, even though it came out 14 years ago?

[@derlich09]

Because this show is shit without pornography.

[@aeternusdoleo4531]

Because, in order to please fans you have to deliver quality.

[@rotimigbadebo9609]

I think it's because ironically she hulk looks more normal ....hulk to some extent is a monster so we overlook some off things....but she hulk is just a big green lady so we notice more.

[@houstonhelicoptertours1006]

Outsourcing the VFX to god-knows where

[@SeanWickett]

The She-Hulk CGI isn't done. .....I hope.

[@jamesR1990]

She Hulk looks more like Shrek than the comic book character she's supposedly adapted from

[@JonathanGaeta]

Or Princess Fiona

[@jirdan4870]

I mean, She-Hulk is there since 1980 and was a comedic 4th wall breaking character that was a lawyer for superheroes. But I just don't trust Disney what they will do with her.

[@Spider-Complexion]

You just gave me the idea that MCU could potentially have an Ace Attorney inspired episode with Jennifer as a defense lawyer but I honestly don’t think the writers are that creative..

[@domino_201]

don't trust anything they're cranking out I swear

[@chileanyways196]

I think she seems great. I think it’ll be a lot of fun

[@africaisacontinent2149]

@done running Stop 😬😬😬

[@brettdyer472]

Sir you are an absolute master of your craft.

[@johnmartin4152]

"The baseline of any woman."- how you say you've never met a normal, stable human female in your life. But, in fairness to the character (not this version which looks awful) the comics from the 80s were in fact funny- written by John Byrne.

[@riatsila144]

If this followed something like The Sensational She-Hulk, it would be hilarious. A small part of me was happy to hear about this series, but then sense made me realize what was about to happen. Now I'm sad.

[@ktgiffin8147]

Demolishing stereotypes by reinforcing them. Way to smash that glass ceiling, Marvel.

[@sj-kp1ks]

I don't think I ever *have* met a normal, stable human female.

[@not.acommentbot]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaHPZINtpJ2Lj80 finally it's here

[@arkainjalex12]

@@sj-kp1ks Stereotypes exist because they’re true more often than they’re not. More importantly, I don’t think the quote about fear and anger is very far off the mark in an era where women are having their reproductive rights taken away.

[@roshi98]

Having just recently rewatched Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon after not seeing it for nearly a decade I just have to shake my head in bewilderment at how both Marvel and DC struggle to portray female characters. In that film, we got two of the most compelling action characters who HAPPENED to be women ever seen on the big screen. I say "happened" because the fact of them being women was quickly and decisively put to rest by the quality of their performances, their development as characters, and their ability as fighters. They didn't have to make declarations about being women, about how hard it is to be women, how much better they have to be compared to men, how stupid men are, etc. What we got as audience members were, well, really strong, inspiring, kick-ass women. It would be brilliant to see that happen in the superhero franchises, but, alas, we'll probably keep getting these pap, superficial, and ultimately undermining caricatures of what Hollywood sees as "strength", which, unfortunately, is more about the messaging than the content of the characters.

[@KevinOnEarth_]

One of my favorite movies and truly before it’s time.

[@frenchyroastify]

Add T2 and Alien.

[@chilasohai9446]

I really recommend you a Korean TV series called "My Name" its on Netflix about a girl who got beaten the shjt out of her and no characters on the show give no chill about her being a girl

[@jacktonsauron8185]

@@frenchyroastify T2 and Alien were famous because of Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Xenomorphs. No one cares about linda Hamilton and sigorney weaver on the planet. When you speak of alien, you remember xenomorph,not Ripley, and when you think of terminator, you think of Arnold and john connor, not Linda Hamilton.

[@jacktonsauron8185]

@Tommy Taffy a progressive film? Good thing i didn't watched it, many of my chinese work friends told me its liberal garbage made to appease to pussy whipped man and middle age woman. I thought they were joking but then i saw some clips of that film, and oh boy i dodged that bullet. Thank God i didn't watched that garbage and big thanks to my Chinese colleagues. Wtf Ang Lee was thinking. Making a film to appease to westerners and insult the conservative traditions of the east. I see the underlying political message. Hulk 2003 was the only good thing from Ang Lee and life of pi too.

[@Rusty_Raine]

The original character in the comics was amazing. She was cracking jokes and breaking the 4th wall. She had her struggles but came to like herself as She-hulk. She-hulk was fun because she wasn't a carbon copy of hulk. Her journey was a great story that was engaging and fun to discover. Ultimately Jenny decides to permanently stay in her She-hulk form because she has come to accept it and it makes her feel good but that took time. I am with Drinker with this one, They are not going to have any of that in this show because that would require competent writing.

[@Matthew-Anthony]

If She-Hulk is "not a carbon copy of The Hulk", why does she have the same powers, green skin, and part of his alias as her alias? Shouldn't her character be something more different than simply a female Hulk?

[@Rusty_Raine]

@@Matthew-Anthony If she wasn't green and large, she wouldn't be she-hulk they would have called her something completely different. There is association but her hulk powers don't operate the same as the hulk. The creation of professor hulk is based off of how she-hulks powers work, not the other way around. You obviously haven't read the original comic books or you wouldn't be asking these questions? You should check them out and you will see what I mean by she-hulk not being the same as hulk.

[@The_Oracle_58]

Bruh only the trailer is out how do you know this?

[@Rusty_Raine]

@@The_Oracle_58 I have been talking about the She-hulk comics. As for my view on how she will be in the show, I have watched the trend of the MCU and Disney. Big corporations run off of formulas. There was nothing in the trailer that suggest that Jenny will be making wise cracks while talking to the audience. If the trailer happened like Deadpool then I would be more hopeful for the show to be true to the comic.

[@Matthew-Anthony]

@@Rusty_RaineShe is just a female version Hulk with a different personality. It is not like comparing Superman and Wonder Woman. That is my point.

[@paudiedaly22]

Marvel went from The Incredible Hulk, to the Incredible Sulk.

[@scttlewis02]

Og she-hulk is smart, cunning, and funny. She had a lot more jokes in her comics and yes she was able to control and talk normally as she isn't as strong as the hulk. But one cool thing that a lot of ppl forget is that she breaks the 4th wall like Deadpool, she is just more sensible when she does it

[@David8n]

An important thing to be aware of is that a lot of these subsidiary characters only existed in comics to protect copyright. So Superman spawned Supergirl; Spider-Man gave us Spider Woman; Batman gave us Batwoman. And so on. They only existed to stop the opposition from producing them. Most of the time the characters were awful, but sometimes they were good, like Batgirl. And, weirdly, She Hulk. She was a comedy character, and, weirdly she knew it in a fourth wall breaking self aware manner. The character could translate really well to the screen but given the talent on display from current writers I doubt it.

[@mexicanjesus8672]

she hulk would be a cool female deadpool

[@OZTutoh]

Apparently in the comics, She Hulk shagged Juggernaut. Even Wolverine gave her shit about it.

[@mffmoniz2948]

@@mexicanjesus8672 Exactly. I remember she was fun to read, especially in the Fanastic Four. She wasn't afraid to use her brain or muscles, she knew she was hot and she owned it, she made me laugh and she laughed. And there was some angst there too.

[@mexicanjesus8672]

@@mffmoniz2948 i don't think the writers have ever touched paper comics

[@drb4074]

Yikes. Just... yikes. "DO YOUR WORST, SHE HULK!" Fear not, my inebriated friend, they will.

[@praisegod3267]

You're videos have me dying of laughter lmao God bless

[@Ruylopez778]

The real irony being we've recently witnessed the power of a bad ass attorney who is highly competent and inspirational, and she's not even fiction; Camille Vasquez. I wonder if her 'baseline is anger & fear'?

[@toob1979]

Shulkie was once one of the best comics around. She was sexy, she was funny, she was confident -- and she knew it. She was everything Jennifer Walters wasn't, which is why she chose to be She-Hulk all the time. She needed Bruce Banner's blood to survive, and the Hulk powers were a byproduct.

[@josephbeckett2330]

The She Hulk wasn't bad. She was sort of like a family-friendly Deadpool, believing her comic writer was out to get her. In a lot of ways, she was a female character treated like a male one, who had flaws, had to fight, lose, etc... It was sort of a oddity why she was able to be Hulk, but not a different personality or intelect, but it is what it is.

[@josephbeckett2330]

Fuck, I actually just watched the trailor. Fuck everything I just said. It is Disneyfied, and I have zero, (because a feminist would actually question what "I have o interest" and think that is a Vote for Harris, and then Biden), zero interest in this piece of shit.