‪@FOXFACTORY‬

[@mepnababan]

This guy yea, hands down for his explanation. All the videos I've watched with him in them, are very clear, and objective. Well done!

[@ShockSurplus]

Wow, thanks!

[@btrswtluvltr]

Dude look at old boys videos. He hypes Bilsteins. Then in the comments people point out they are too stiff, and he admits yeah, people find them too stiff and Fox's are better offroad shocks. Shouldn't he mention that in the videos if he's objective and not biased/pushing a product especially when the product is, you know, off road shocks?

[@k1assic]

I've had both, done years of research and don't really find any of the uniform qualities people say all that accurate. a) Fox shocks dont wear any faster than any other like size piston monotube USED THE SAME WAY. 5100s, rancho 7000s wear out just the same except not being rebuildable they are deemed "still good" until run into the ground where a Fox is deemed needing a rebuild because it's not like the day you took it out the box. And I have seen test in "normal" driving where the shock sent to be rebuilt didn't need a rebuild at all after 50k miles. Be cautious of set in stone maintenance schedules for anything there's money to be made off of b) Fox 2.0s don't perform head and heels better than 5100s just because you paid more money.. Some may like the Fox 2.0 better, some will prefer the 5100s. Fox 2.0 are generally tuned softer and run less gas pressure out the box. Obviously being aluminum bodied heat dissipation is the REAL Fox 2.0 performance advantage. But that doesn't mean you are going to like the out of the box tuning better. It's not like Bilstein doesn't know how to tune shocks or Fox is defying physics with fractionally larger piston and bodies (except for heat dissipation).

[@ShockSurplus]

You said this quite well. Both are great options and as stated, everyone is different and want different things. We like 5100 on our vehicles just because we use them for day to day driving and do tow with them or just want a slight firmer digressive ride. Fox is great but they are a tad bit softer on the road but handle much better on off-roading then the 5100s.

[@livingadreamlife1428]

I drive my 2019 Toyota Tundra Crewmax 4x4 truck on paved roads daily. It has 18” Nitto Ridge Grappler tires. In the Fall, I hunt using a combo of paved and dirt roads. I do t do any off-roading. As an aside, I don’t tow a trailer enough (4-5x annually for short distances) to make that an imp criteria. Given that you’ve owned both, which shock would you personally recommend for my particular truck and my driving needs?

[@liljohnny210]

@@livingadreamlife1428 5100

[@g1205509]

That’s a lot of words to no conclusion

[@Youtubeiswoke-p7i]

What so you recommend for a 2000 silverado z71 4x4..I have a 1400lb truck camper and go boondocking w wife here in Florida. No budget..what would you put on my truck. I have hellwig helper leaf spring for 2000lb payload. The starcraft truck camper weighs only 1400lbs. What should I buy? Front and rear..

[@christovelasquez9595]

I ran Fox 2.0s on my lifted Superduty and they made the truck fell spongy at higher speeds. The 5100s are definitely firmer and do help control a larger or heavier vehicle especially those with diesel engines. Fox 2.0s are better off-road.

[@ShockSurplus]

That would be correct. Fox are going to feel soft for daily and firm up in off-roading but aren't great for towing or hauling. Bilstein 5100 are great for towing and hauling but does make the ride a bit firmer for daily and firmer in off-roading.

[@chefntoast]

Very informative and exactly the info I was searching for , cheers

[@ShockSurplus]

Glad it was helpful!

[@btrswtluvltr]

You shouldn't get you info for infomercials.

[@chefntoast]

@@btrswtluvltr you should maybe get some spelling lessons from infomercials

[@btrswtluvltr]

@@chefntoast Haha personal attacks on deh interwebs. What a great personality. Cheers.

[@jimclifford1241]

Bro ... thanks for the great, no BS video explanation on the difference of the two shocks I am considering. I'm going with Bilsteins and I'm buying them Shock Surplus!

[@ShockSurplus]

The pleasure is all ours! If you need help or have any questions, please let us know.

[@btrswtluvltr]

Dude is a shock salesman pushing a product. They guy selling knives at the country fair isn't educating you on knives. Look in the comments, he admits Fox shocks are better offroad shocks, and that people commonly find Bilsteins too stiff.

[@jimclifford1241]

@@btrswtluvltr maybe so, but I've had the Bilsteins for a year and they are money!

[@livewithnick]

I have the 5100's on my 1996 Bronco with a 4' lift and 35" tires. I absolutely love them on and off road.

[@tavo7089]

How’s the ride is it smooth? I have the same set up other then my shocks but I am planning on getting getting some 5100

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

5100 Sounds perfect for me. 90% highway, and I've got a bad back, so I really just want to keep the back end from popping up so much on me.

[@ShockSurplus]

It's pretty good for a lot of people.

[@Wicked_RotF30]

This is absolutely what i needed. Looking to upgrade and level my Suburban Z71. Thanks for the info. Bilstein shocks and Kryptonite components for my suburban with a set of KO2s, should do me nicely.

[@ShockSurplus]

Glad to help! You will definitely be happy with that set up

[@Man.Values]

I just put on Eibach 2.0 pro truck shocks and man what a difference. They ride so confident and smooth.

[@ShockSurplus]

That is great to hear!

[@thomasroseman575]

Do you tow

[@Man.Values]

@@thomasroseman575 yes

[@ThePackDad]

Super info !! Thank you. Can I expect any noticeable difference going from Rancho to Bilstein? Bought a 2017 F350 gas 6.2L w camper/snowplow pkg (3:73), 35" tires, 18" wheels FX4 with Ranchos in Sept 2020 with about 45K miles on it. It's been 2.5 years and I've put 15k on it with 5-8 camping trips 50-180 miles towing our 6400# travel trailer. One 1000 mile trip to the beach (east coast) each August and the rest is driving 5-10 miles to the hardware store... or gas station once a month. Only got the 350 because it was underpriced so I'd like to soften the ride some with shocks if possible. Will upgrade to a newer 250 eventually so not worth spending more than something I need replace anyway like shocks.

[@ShockSurplus]

Massive difference between the two. The Bilstein are a bit firmer, so more confidence in the handling department. But also much better rebound, so you dont have that body roll, and heaving / slop after bumps and driveways. If you want to maintain a lot of the comfort, but improve handling, Fox 2.0 is a solid option as well. www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-0-performance-series-shocks-set-for-2017-2020-ford-f350-super-duty-4wd?variant=32323118530609

[@TransparentlyReal]

Thanks for the great video. I’ve got a build coming up on 2018 Jeep Wrangler JK. 2.5" lift. 35" tires. Will mostly be daily driver, occasional off road on beginner trails. First-ever upgrade. Sounds like you’d recommend Bilstein, ya?

[@ShockSurplus]

Sorry we're late to the response here. Short answer is Bilstein for better handling, which could be a factor if you're running a lot of gear, but sometimes too firm for people's on-road preference. Fox 2.0 would be for daily driven comfort, and better bump compliance on rocky trails (softer overall compared to Bilstein).

[@georgentais9224]

Great video! I have a jk 2.8 with 2.5" Rough Country lift. I want to upgrade the shocks and I'm thinking the bilstein 5100. I want to have control of the car, use 80% daily drive 20% offtoad

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100 is a great option for those looking for an upgrade form a factory point of view but still want to be capable in some off-roading. Nothing complex or technical but like entry leveling or beginner.

[@georgentais9224]

@@ShockSurplus thank you for your reply. The truth is that we plan one over landing offroad tour every month due winter time, so I was wondering if this monotube shocks are good for what I want or it's better to go with the fox. Thank you!!

[@ShockSurplus]

We would still go with Bilstein since most of the year, you aren't really doing much.

[@useryggfdcc]

Currently my 2021 Tacoma TRD have Bilstein 6112 with Bilstein springs in the front. Rear, Bilstein 5100 and an ICON AAL SETUP. The original plan was Bilstein 5160 in the rear BUT so far happy with this setup. Time to test with serious off roading. 😊

[@ShockSurplus]

Definitely pay attention to the rear of the vehicle, rear traction in easy dirt stuff going 15-30mph, there's going to be a difference between the 5100s and 5160 in that scenario. We think the rebound in the 5160 is a bit different than the 5100s

[@useryggfdcc]

@@ShockSurplus Different enough to be a problem or just inconvenient? My Bilstein 6112 come from ShockSurplus.

[@span2413]

Great, honest review, thanks!

[@ShockSurplus]

glad we could help

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Both of these are great but for the cost the 5100 is a must for a 3rd gen Tacoma no more nose dive and no sag when you tow

[@ShockSurplus]

5100 is a great starting point.

[@andrejsavin4814]

Getting a Cognito leveling kit for my 2015 2500hd gas, Pleasantly surprised fox shocks gonna be softer on road, though opposite. To me huge difference is 3" rise instead of 2" or 2.25" with other brands for the same money. Softness will be a good help with more cranked torsion bars as well

[@mikestralkowski2020]

currently need shocks for my 2007 4 door jeep wrangler with 3.5" rock krawler triple rate coils on 37" tires , steel winch bumper with 10,000 pound winch and rear steel bumper with full size spare tire. inside the jeep is always loaded down with tools , onboard arb compressor , cooler, speaker box with amp , offroad recovery items and coolers. i also typically have 4 people in the jeep. the jeep is a daily driver on some pretty crappy roads from back roads to long highway commutes seeing roughly 15k miles per year. It does get used offroad from gravel haul roads to full on rock crawlin. i am stuck between bilstein 5100 , fox 2.0 , falcon 1.1 and falcon 2.2. i currently have shocks from rubicon express that i was told were made by bilstein but do not know if what model they are comparable to. they are a monotube shock. these shocks have 60,000 miles on them and i feel a good amount of body roll and the ride quality is very harsh and all around horrible. i have 3 herniated discs in my back and 2 buldged discs in my neck i just want a smooth ride with good handling. please help!

[@coddizzle]

Thank you for the comparison. I've gone from 1.5" spacer and 34.5 to 33 and icon 2.5 to 33 stock tire size and 5100. It rode the best on 34.5" and spacer for my offroad which is logging roads and easy trails. The icon were complete garbage under say 40 mph on gravel. Speedbumps and and sharp bump was extremely unpleasant. On highway it handled like on rails. 5100-meh, not good not bad. Sharp abrupt bumps are still unpleasant but at a fraction of icon price. I'm up to 245k miles and probly needing new struts and shocks again and the fox 2.0 have been on my mind

[@ShockSurplus]

Digressive shocks like the Bilstein 5100 and Icon 2.5s definitely sacrifice some small bump sensitivity at lower speeds for the sake of control and improved handling. A more linear shock like a Fox will definitely be a lot more comfortable at the expense of some additional sway and float, so if you wanted the handling of the Icon with much improved ride, you might consider a 2.0 with CD or low speed compression adjusters or the 2.5s with the dual speed compression adjusters.

[@KennethLeake]

2019 F250, I recently put on a set of 5100s and love them for basic daily driving. When towing, I get a lot of up and down bounce on roads with dips and such. I didn't have this issue with my older 2008 F250 with the same shocks. What would be a better option for more control while towing for the rear? Pot holes and rough roads aren't the issue, it's mostly dips and such that starts the up/down bounce almost like seeing a car with no shocks just bouncing along.

[@ShockSurplus]

The Bilstein 5100 should not be bouncing around. It should be stabilizing relatively quickly. If you purchase this from us, please contact us directly for assistance.

[@KennethLeake]

@@ShockSurplus I agree. Unfortunately I didn't buy from you, and I have put about 8k miles on them. I can't say they are completely loose feeling, because they are better than the OEM's that had 100k on them, but it's definitely not as controlled as my 2008 with the same trailer. What would be the next step better than a 5100 to control the "riding on a balloon" feel?

[@trailbosschrispayne5454]

just replaced my ranchos on my trail boss for a set of bilsteins and dam what a difference

[@ShockSurplus]

That is great to hear! We also did that as well and it was such a massive improvement.

[@donknicker8110]

Did you notice if it road firmer

[@trailbosschrispayne5454]

@@donknicker8110 much firmer. Just ordered the fronts. Can’t wait to replace those next.

[@hectorarias5034]

Can you please recommend a leveling kit for 2023 trd off road Tacoma that would not void warranty on it ? I don’t want to compromise the MPG and OEM suspension. I know that dealer sells a kit that is tune by belistans but I need to keep the budget. Thanks in advance and I really appreciate all the education that you provide on your videos.

[@ShockSurplus]

Anything aftermarket that alters lift height technically voids the warranty, unless obstained through Toyota/TRD, at least as far as we know. Bilstein does make a Bilstein 4600 that is meant to improve upon the factory suspension, at factory ride height.

[@larrycarpenter-yt4ot]

You can change the valving on the Fox's and dial them in. Why wasn't that part of the information?

[@GabrielRamirez-y2j]

My truck is a 2018 1500 sierra denali. Daily driver absolutely no off-roading and no towing . I have other vehicles for that . All I want is a 2” level and a very comfortable ride . Witch one do you recommend?

[@stanley4200]

Glad I came across your video on shocks. I am a novice on all things with tires and Shocks. I have owned a 2016 Ram 2500 for about almost 2 years 90325 miles. I use it on our farm and on my day to day travels with work. It rides like it's really rough. My wife doesn't like to ride in it. I am checking into shocks to see it it helps? What if any suggestions you might have? I would really appreciate. Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

I think for your case, the Fox 2.0 would be the best option. On the day to day portion, the Fox 2.0 will feel more soft and smooth for your daily driving portion. When you're driving on your farm and the roads are a bit more rough, the Fox 2.0 will get more firm and allow the vehicle to handle that condition much more.

[@logenrogers967]

@Stanley look at sulastic shackles. If you can get over the price it is a huge improvement to the harshness of that trucks rear end while unloaded/not towing. Other than that a dual or triple rate coil in the front would also help

[@stanley4200]

@Logen Rogers Thanks for the information I will check them out. 👍

[@highwayhydroponics5823]

My dodge 3500 drw rides like a tractor.

[@tallmike6598]

How does the finish on the 5100's hold up in climates where a lot of salt and chemicals are used on the roads in the winter ?

[@ShockSurplus]

We haven't heard of much concerns in heavily salted areas. We do have customer we are further protecting their suspension with an additional sealant or protection spray.

[@Ren_O_72]

Great video! Thanks! I have a 2022 Ford F-450 with stock shocks, wheels and height. I do have a 2.5" leveling kit in the front, however that is all. I am wanting a smoother ride when not towing my 21,000lb 5th wheel. Is the Bilstien the best option, or is the FOX 2.0 PERFORMANCE SERIES REMOTE RESERVOIR FRONT SHOCK a better option? Thanks in advance.

[@ShockSurplus]

Fox 2.0s certainly ride great, but unless you go for the CD adjustable shocks, they are a little weak under a load. The Bilsteins will be a little firmer, but should still be an improvement in ride and do killer under a load, at a fraction of the cost.

[@elli003]

That settles it. Fox factory 2.0 IFP ! Thanks !

[@ShockSurplus]

That is a solid and excellent choice!

[@clifblake]

Thank you ! Just saved me a lot of money.

[@ShockSurplus]

Glad it helped!

[@LoneStarSwirl]

From what I understand, Bilstein come with a lifetime warranty whereas Fox do not. Is this correct?

[@ShockSurplus]

Not all Bilstein are limited lifetime but most of their parts are. Fox is a 1-year warranty then they are full rebuildable.

[@tomfrantz]

Thank you.

[@ShockSurplus]

You're welcome!

[@randychamberlain6350]

I have the 2.0 fox shocks might just switch over to bilstein shocks which do u think has a smoother ride?

[@ShockSurplus]

It depends on what you're trying to do or using the vehicle for. Bilstein 5100 are better for daily driving and towing/hauling but are still capable on some light trail usage. Fox 2.0 are better for off-roading and geared towards those wanting there truck to feel better on he trails and other scenarios.

[@ojbarberena7090]

Thanks for the video. I have a question I have Fox 2.0 NONE reservoir shocks can I add a reservoir to them? Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

In some cases it's possible, you would contact Fox and see what they can do as it's case by case situation.

[@thomasroseman575]

Chevy 2500hd towing 14,000 lb camper what is the best compared to factory rancho stock no level kit or lift

[@ShockSurplus]

best for towing - Bilstein. Best for Comfort - fox 2.0 (on a budget). KYB Gas-a-just have also gotten good marks in between bilstein and fox

[@Checo1]

I am new to the Jeep community, I recently bought a 2019 jeep unlimited sport altitude, I came with 255/70R18 all-season tires, I would like to put a little more aggressive tires on it, I am not into rock crawling, only light trails is the plan for now. If I put spacers 1.5 or 2" high, I understand could fit bigger tires, but would I lose comfort when driving on the road? If this is the case, will Fox 2.0 or the Bilstein 5100 shocks help me get a smoother ride on the route? Thank you.

[@ShockSurplus]

Going with bigger tires will impact ride comfort depending on the load rating and size. If you're adding more sidewall rubber and not changing wheel size, then that is more comfort in most cases. Less sidewall = less comfort, generally. The 2" spacer on stock coils can affect ride quality slightly towards the negative, new coils are typically the better option. Fox 2.0 will be a good solution for maximizing comfort onroad and on the easy trails, Bilstein is more suited for better handling and load hauling. Still good comfort with Bilstein, but Fox is better if its in the budget. www.shocksurplus.com/products/fox-2-0-performance-series-shocks-set-for-2018-2020-jeep-wrangler-4wd-rwd-jl?variant=32323143729201

[@smoothwake]

I had a Jeep WJ with Bilstein 5100s and it was awesome, so it seemed a no brained when I swapped it for a 03 Silverado Quadrasteer. The 5100s only last about 2 months with the heavy Quadrasteer axle. I looked at going to the 5160 series, but Bilsteins website specifically excludes ALL Quadrasteer models. I don’t generally off road, but it feels like I am on some of the bad roads where I live. I can feel the truck bouncing all over the road. I’d love to see somebody talk about the relationship between unsprung weight and sprung weight and how it affects the shocks, and if reservoir shocks would actually help a shock last more than 2 months.

[@ShockSurplus]

we're surprised at the life of those bilstein, did you submit a warranty claim? what shocks came on that thing from the factory?

[@smoothwake]

@@ShockSurplus I didn't try warranty because Bilstein's website specifically excludes Quadrasteer vehicles. I didn't realize that until I started researching why they stopped being effective so quickly. The OEM shocks were the Electronic Ride Control Shocks, which had already been replaced when I bought the truck. The Quadrasteer axle is pretty heavy and it seems like its just burning out the fluid in the shocks.

[@jasonguy6572]

I’m confused. In other videos from shock surplus, they said the linear nature of the fox 2.0 made it ride softer for daily commuters. And now you’re saying the 5100 rides smoother. I am really really confused now.

[@ShockSurplus]

Linear shocks generally have better small bump compliance however since there is no separate circuit or provisions at the piston for separate low speed compression tuning, they often have to stiffen the whole curve to get the low speed compression valving required to control unwanted body motions and improve handling. That means they have to sacrifice some comfort in the mid and high speed compression range of the curve for more stability from the low speed compression side

[@JimmyDevere]

For Fox progressive shocks, what is the difference in vehicle performance between the 2.0 Performance monotubes and the ones with reservoirs? I understand the reservoirs have more fluid and will release heat more efficiently, but will you gain performance (all things being equal) for driving fast on a dirt or rocky road? Also, I have a JLUR and I want to retain the stock ride height. Are the factory springs good or are there other options for improving higher speed off-road performance? My main issue with the stock Rubicon is that I have to drive about 15 mph on an uneven dirt road and get tossed about in the cab whereas my truck with King coilovers I can easily do 35 mph or more in the same section of dirt with much more comfort. Again, I am not interested in gaining any additional height. Thanks!

[@ShockSurplus]

You won't notice much between a standard shock to a reservoir unless you're off-roading. They are valve pretty much the same if you're looking at the 2.0 series. If you want to keep it in stock, then don't change the springs and keep the stock ones. The JL won't feel the same as your truck with a King coilover. Solid Axle vs IFS provides different feelings for comfort and control.

[@greg925911]

I have a 2018 F150 XLT crew cab with 2.5 in the front to leave it out and Air bag in the back to leaves that out again, I tow a small trailer about 3000 pounds, I still have factory shocks on it at 94,000 miles today, i really don't do to much aggressive off roading, I have no rear spacer to match the front end, that's why I went with the air bags to avoid the sagging rear, will Billstine work for my needs

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein are great for towing and hauling so that should help you out.

[@martech360]

2 different Off-road shops told me to go Fox Adventurer on rear & 5100’s on the front of my ‘23 GMC Sierra AT4 2500HD. 98% On road. Drive with sled deck, tow trailers….thoughts?

[@ShockSurplus]

The Fox Adventure series has been discontinued for awhile so I am not sure where they are getting those parts from, but for something that is mostly on the road and is towing a Bilstein or Eibach would be the better choice to run at all four corners and especially the rear since their digressive valving will help manage loads better.

[@martech360]

@@ShockSurplus Thanks for that info! I know the one shop had the Adventure in stock (prob why they wanted to sell to me) I think I’ll stick with the 5100 all around.

[@peterdragon6367]

99 super duty diesel. 3” lift. Don’t really do any off-roading. Think the bilstein would be the better option?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein is a good shock for daily driving and towing and hauling. It can handle some light off-roading but nothing complex or technical.

[@peterdragon6367]

@@ShockSurplus awesome. Thanks for the reply

[@johnford3761]

Thanks, great video. I have a 2001 Jeep TJ, I’m planning for a 3.5” lift. Want to go with the bilstein 5100. Will these go good with a metalcloak coil? Or what coil would you recommend?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100 are offered in two version for your 3.5" lift you are planning to do. OE/Short Arm: www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-b8-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-for-1997-2006-jeep-wrangler-4wd-w-3-5-4-lift-short-arm-1 Long Arm: www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-b8-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-for-1997-2006-jeep-wrangler-4wd-w-3-5-4-5-lift-long-arm-1

[@jimcatanzaro7808]

Did you get them ?

[@gman0812]

No off roading except camping days(2 times a year) and lake days. Only hauling ill do is a 8x10 coffee trailer, not too heavy. I’m in Texas where it’s flat. 5100 all the way or different route?

[@ShockSurplus]

The Bilsteins are a great choice for sure especially if you like something a little firmer or prefer a little tighter handling. If you like something a little softer, but also still want something tight under a load, Eibachs are a great choice as we well if available for your application

[@gman0812]

@@ShockSurplus Could you compare 5100 and Eibach Pro lift shocks? Online Eibach says up to 3” ride height up front, could you confirm that as well plz?

[@ShockSurplus]

We actually already did a comparo on those last year. These are for a Silverado but a lot of what Jeff mentions here is applicable for just about anything else. Lift height depends on what vehicle they are going on, but Eibach is usually pretty much dead on with their advertised lift heights. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYqQoWepgcujrNEsi=pVNWxe6fM2akgCeo

[@fernandoalmanza831]

I just got a 2006 Silverado 2500 diesel it’s lifted like 7 to 9 inches not really sure but it every times I hit a bump or small hole the truck feels really bad it currently has some Bilstein I think those are toast already I’m looking to install new one I don’t have plant to tow anything I will just use it to drive around not daily use any suggestions please I want some fox 2.0 but I need someone to point me in the right direction thanks

[@briangc1972]

The Bilstein shocks have a lifetime warranty against leaking seals (defects), the Fox shocks only have a 1 year warranty. That alone swayed me to buy Bilstein. Why pay almost double the price for almost no warranty?

[@ShockSurplus]

the performance is different between them, the ride quality is different between them, the intended audience is different between them. The Fox can be rebuilt over and over again, and that's intended. One day we'll put bilstein 5100 head to head against fox 2.0 in an endurance test to get a better sense of performance gains from an offroad aluminum shock compared to a sealed steel body shock

[@briangc1972]

@@ShockSurplus The cost to rebuild the Fox is almost equal to the price of new Bilstein shocks. I have rebuildable Penske shocks on my race cars, but for street applications, there is no need for a rebuildable shock; especially a pick up truck.

[@ronaldkulas5748]

I put new 4600 Bilstein's all-around my 2011 4Runner because the ride was too soft and the nose-dive was insane on new Toyota shocks. The difference was remarkable, but I still would like - if possible - to get rid of the nose-dive as much as possible. Would it help to put Bilstein 5100's on the front? Or is the basic problem have more to do with the 4Runner's suspension? I have noticed that this is a very common complaint on Toyota 4Runner forums.

[@ShockSurplus]

The Bilstein 5100 would be a bit firmer than the 4600 and better for towing/hauling. We find that the Bilstein 5100 do help out more in nose dive, body roll, and stability than the 4600. The Bilstein are an OE replacement part which is not 1:1 to OEM but Bilstein integration of it. These are also different than the factory yellow Bilstein shocks that some Toyota come with.

[@JimmyDevere]

Which shocks are most like the OEM Rubicon shocks on a 2020 JLUR? I am at 38k mi and my OEMs are starting to weep a little. I like the ride of the OEM. I know they are not the best off road but they do the job for me and the Jeep is a daily driver for my wife so I don't want too harsh of a ride or too soft where the Jeep feels unstable at highway speeds. Would you suggest sticking with OEM shocks or a different manufacturer? Thanks.

[@ShockSurplus]

I would definitely go for a set of Eibachs or Bilsteins. They will probably last longer than the 38k you got out of the stockers and ride and handle a heck of a lot better than the stock Rubicon Reds in just about every situation or condition.

[@JimmyDevere]

Thanks for the reply. @@ShockSurplus

[@armandoveloz5644]

So getting ready to do a leveling kit on my 23 elevation with the 3.0. Been seeing a lot of guys using the bilstein and replace upper an arm. Is that a good way to go about it. Factory ride feeling like an old 70’s boat cars. Wanting a good ride out of it. It gets off the pavement but no Baja off roading by no means

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein is definitely a great choice and really fixes most of that boaty feeling these trucks have. That additional dampening actually really helps ride comfort as well since they are so underdamped from the factory. Although not required with the standard 6112s or 5100s in most cases, the stock arms and droop stops will limit a little droop travel so many people end up making the upgrade. If you are looking to upgrade the UCAs and want 2" of lift or more, that also opens up the option to run the Trail Boss/AT4 specific 6112s. They offer a little more travel and have three settings from 2" over non TB/AT4 height, 2.6" , and 3.2" at the highest. They are also specifically sprung and tuned for the 3.0 Diesel and 6.2 Gas trucks unlike the standard 6112s which are optimized more for 5.3 trucks.

[@nicholasdufresne504]

I got a 14 Silverado with 7” rc lift and 22” on 35” mud tires with 4:56 gears. I don’t mud ride too much but roads out here aren’t the best but do a lot more city miles. Should I roll with the 5100s? Rn when driving with my rc shocks I can feel the bed slightly bouncing the whole ride and they’re fairly new

[@ShockSurplus]

The 5100s would be a massive difference compared to those RC shocks, and almost always for the better

[@JuanPerez-yw7xy]

Have a 2006 GMC Sierra 1500 4x4,has a leveling kit with 33 inch tires!Its my daily driver,it does see a little bit of off-road here and there,nothing major!What would you recommend?

[@ShockSurplus]

Leveling can be a 2" front 0" rear, 2.5" front 0" Rear, or 3" and 1" rear. Provide details and we can help you out. Please contact our sales team directly via our phone number or email.

[@davefox8948]

My 97 Toyota 4Runner still rode and handled like new with 288k on the factory Bilsteins. And no, those weren’t all highway miles.

[@timdavison2417]

Great video, I have a 2010 ford f250 extended cab long bed and was looking at the fox 2.0, but for price i am thinking the bilstein 5100 would be a better choice. It is stock tire size and no leveling kit, I pull trailers bumper pulls and fifth wheel. It's mainly used for daily commuting. What would be your choice? Thank You!!

[@ShockSurplus]

If you're mainly concerned with towing, handling, load hauling - we'd definitely recommend the 5100s. The Fox do improve handling over factory, but not as good as Bilstein. www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-set-2005-2016-ford-f250-super-duty-4wd

[@darkestralkwt4568]

Would u recommend the Bilestin for Ram 1500 Classic Express 2020 2wd ? The shocks for front and back

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein is a good starting point.

[@2AMech]

LoL the difference is i can't find the fox 2.0 for my lift height like I can for the 5100. but I hate my 5100s off road. they're too harsh on every little bump. 05 sierra 1500 with 1-3 lift front, 1 in rear

[@ShockSurplus]

Yeah that's not offered by Fox unfortunately, you could run shock extenders, but will be compromised on bump travel.

[@DDFJ1230]

I've got a 1991 Ford Ranger 4x4 with a 2" lift (Skyjacker) and i am wanting something that soaks up bumps a little easier but also have a bit more control feel than the Skyjacker BlackMax shocks that came with the kit. I've had them on one trail ride so far and washboards and potholes are rough and whoops/alternating humps in the road really make the truck jump around a lot. What is your recommendation?

[@ShockSurplus]

Skyjacker Black Max are Hydro shocks are are really soft. If you want something to handle the trails and such then go to the Skyjacker M95. www.shocksurplus.com/products/skyjacker-m95-monotube-gas-shocks-set-1983-1997-ford-ranger-4wd#part-numbers

[@DDFJ1230]

@@ShockSurplus would you recommend the M95s over Bilstein 5125s?

[@ShockSurplus]

It depends on what you're aiming for. A Bilstein 5125 is a universal shock which if you're looking at you're now wanting a specific length and valving and ultimately up to you one what specs you want.

[@acethe_2nd405]

Ive got a mostly stock 1991 jeep yj, im leaning towards the 5100s as i am going to give it a 4 inch lift, the jeep as of now is a short distance commuter that will likeley be a 70% commuter and 30% offroader, would you still recomend the bilstiens?

[@ShockSurplus]

Since you are not turning a lot of miles with it a Fox, definitely becomes a more viable option as the additional maintenance will be less of a concern. With that said the more you drive on the road, the more the Bilstein becomes the better choice and vice versa. The improved stability and handling of the Bilsteins really helps a bunch, particularly with modern traffic, while the more plush ride really helps the Fox be more livable, particularly at lower speeds off road.

[@acethe_2nd405]

@@ShockSurplus thanks, im going to go with the bilsteins since i expect to be on the road more often than off, however i might pick up foxs for later down the road when i have a different vehicle for road driving.

[@echristianh]

I've been OK with the stock shocks on my 2019 Wrangler Rubicon JLU, but now two are leaking. If I'm probably not going to lift it but do want a really good dependable quality shock that can handle off roading, including a rooftop tent, what do you think the best option would be? Thanks!

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein has a set of 5100s for stock height vehicles that should work great for the application. Few shocks last as long or are as dependable as a Bilstein.

[@titoperez1327]

Where to buy please. I’m in Puerto Rico and insist have them in stock

[@ShockSurplus]

We ship to PR, and have a ton of stock. Check our site - www.shocksurplus.com or email [e-mail] and we can help you out.

[@victorgranados3276]

what would you recommend, I have a 2000 f-350 7.3 8 inch lift, 37s tires rides like a dump truck

[@ShockSurplus]

Contact our sales team directly with your shock measurements and we'll assist you there. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry

[@goride365]

which one would handle rear bounce/jitter in a tacoma with an rxt pack @ option 1 on the freeway? I guess thats be small bump compliance? I just installed 5160's with the rxt opt 1 and its super stiff and jittery on bumpy fwy's... thinking about trying a fox set up...

[@ShockSurplus]

What shocks are you running with this setup?

[@dashcam3098]

i read a lot of reviews and most of them say that on an f250 the Blitstein are rougher riding than the fox 2.0 but here the opposite is said. Which do you buy..

[@ShockSurplus]

hmm we dont say the Fox are rougher than Bilstein, dont conflate handling and performance with comfort or bump compliance. Fox is a more forgiving and softer shock, its just science based on their valving type. Bilstein is a digressive shock giving more feedback on the small bumps, but this produces better handling and better predictability.

[@christopherhernandez9115]

What will be good for a leveled 2003 Silverado z71 4x4 on 33in tires it’s my daily and from time to time my weekend off road truck? Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

1500, 2500, or 3500?

[@sour5947]

How will the fox 2.0 compare to the Bilstein 4600 for over the road hauling with a ram 3500 dual rear wheel?

[@ShockSurplus]

That is two different genre in parts. Bilstein 4600 are OE replacements ONLY. Fox 2.0 are performance shocks and offer lifted accommodations.

[@protemps1]

Bilstein 5100 and 4600 have the same internal valving and parts I thought? Only difference being that the 5100 allows for lift.

[@RUDYR-y4s]

I have a 2012 F350 dually with a leveling kit and 22in. It has a set of Fox shocks on it right now. It's my daily work driver and I do go to our hunting property at least once a month which has some pretty rough terrain. I recently changed out my corroded body mounts which helped. But I am still looking to make the truck ride better. What would you guys recommend.

[@ShockSurplus]

If that leveling kit was just a set of spacers or pucks you can get a huge improvement in ride from switching to a dual rate or progressive lift coil spring like Icon 2.5" coil part number 62510.

[@jamieeisenhower1560]

Which one does it all with 33-inch Baja Tires on a Jeep Wrangler JL and smooth on Highway bumps and cracks

[@ShockSurplus]

Both really, that is light work for either of these shocks. I might go Bilstein as although they may be a little firmer, they offer a bit more stability on the road and last a heck of a lot longer.

[@johnnybergeron1471]

what BILSTEIN 5100 do I need for front and rear for chevy 2012 4X4 1500 Silverado WD crew cab

[@ShockSurplus]

4WD or RWD? Contact our sales team directly for assistance. www.shocksurplus.com/pages/contact-us-general-inquiry

[@benjamin07420]

I have. 2013 Silverado 6.6 2500hd with a 7” cognito lift on 35x12.5x20’s and will be driving mixed highway which are usually shitty with pit holes and left to right bumps, then gravel roads with washboard and bumps/potholes. Can’t decide wether 5100, 2.0 or the ebiach would be best. Any suggestions would be appreciated thanks.

[@ShockSurplus]

The Fox 2.0 really is going to be your only choice with that lift. Neither Bilstein or Eibach have anything long enough, however with that said they are probably the most comfortable option of the bunch. They can be a little loose under a load, so if you tow or haul some serious weight, you may want to consider the CD adjustable option.

[@BrandonRivera-e3k]

Which would be best for my 2018 Silverado crew cab? Im out in the desert on occasion, and out camping a few times a year. Also looking at putting 33s on the truck.

[@ShockSurplus]

The Fox will certainly be the more comfortable choice, however they will likely need serviced every 30k with how you are using it so the additional maintenance may not be worth the additional comfort. If it is something you are driving every day I might consider a Bilstein 6112 or Eibach Pro Truck instead.

[@BrandonRivera-e3k]

@ShockSurplus OK, I'm definitely looking into it. My tuck sits during the day and gets used on the weekends. Will the 6112 clear 17s on 33s with no rubbing?

[@joeytonetti2519]

I have a 98 jeep Cherokee xj 3.5in Rubicon Express lift with31x10.50 tires, right now i have Bilstein 5100 shocks,they are getting worn out,what shock would you recommend for it, it's a Daily driver and a little off-road and i live in NYC

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilsteins are definitely a great choice for a daily driver especially since they offer such good handling and last a heck of a long time. If you wanted something a little softer the Skyjacker M95s are a great option as well. The Fox 2.0s like we show in this video may ride a little better than both, but they need a to be rebuilt fairly often, which may not be ideal for a daily driver.

[@Juan-qq1rb]

Welp, may return the Fox 2.0 and buy the Bilsteins

[@ShockSurplus]

If you purchase them from us, we offer a 30-day return policy and all parts must be new and not installed. You can use the link below to being the return process: www.shocksurplus.com/pages/free-shipping

[@Cristian_Rangel1621]

Ive got a 2004 yukon denali short (None XL) with a small 2-3 inch lift/level with Keys up front and blocks on the rear I want a smooth ride, i dont tow nor offroad. Should i buy bilstein 4600’s or 5100’s?? Thank you

[@ShockSurplus]

You stated a Denali, if you have the factory magnetic ride, unfortunately you would not be able to run any parts we offer unless you have a bypass kit or a delete kit.

[@mrburban556]

I have a 01 suburban with a rough country 6" lift and it came with n3 front shocks and bilstein 5100 in rear!! i think the n3 are too bouncy!! Look for somthing stiffer for front! Can you recommend??

[@ShockSurplus]

We would match it with the same rear shocks you have, Bilstein 5100. www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-5100-monotube-gas-shocks-front-pair-1999-2006-chevrolet-silverado-1500-4wd-w-4-6-lift

[@edwardkareem6446]

I have a 13 f150 with 6-in rough country lift I did upgrade it to 5100 for the 6-in lift so basically a longer shock in the front I still have the rough country rear shocks my tires are 37 s my PSI is at 35 all the way around and my truck still rides very stiff what do you recommend

[@ShockSurplus]

You are running two different products that operative or feel differently which probably doesn't make it ride great. Also the higher your lift is, the less comfortable it will be.

[@edwardkareem6446]

@@ShockSurplus you are correct but I was told that a four-wheel drive shock or strut when I fit on my two-wheel drive but it does so I'm going to order Fox with reservoirs front and back

[@ShockSurplus]

As long as you have the correct measurements and mounts.

[@danielmolloy5675]

Hello, l’m installing a 4”bds lift and 37”x12.5 x20 on a f350 gas I’m a daily driver, highways, regular roads possibly minor off road. Please point me in the right direction Bilstien or fox Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein if you are still towing or hauling with it, Fox if you want a soft ride and you are mostly running unloaded

[@andrewjackson630]

What would you recommend for a Ram 1500 on 20inch rims I do tow with the truck

[@ShockSurplus]

If you are towing a fair amount, the Bilsteins are definitely your ticket. Although the Fox is great at everything else, they are a little soft under a load, so although they will still work great, the Bilsteins will probably be the better choice.

[@firesorcererfs6029]

I have a 1997 Cherokee on 4.5 inch lift w/ 33’s but I don’t do any off-roading just using it as my daily for work and school and the ride it shit so for a daily driver would it be worth it for me to buy the fox for a more softer ride on ride cuz rn stiff but I’m also replacing all the old steering components and most of the suspension to more heavy duty cuz it’s all OEM

[@ShockSurplus]

Fox is definitely going to be comfortable, but will require a fair amount of maintenance, so they may not be ideal for a daily driver. If you like a softer ride I would recommend a Skyjacker M95 for sure. If you have 4.5" of lift on stock front links, you geometry is probably pretty bad, so even if it does not improve ride I would be upgrading those parts to correct for the lift just from a safety standpoint.

[@firesorcererfs6029]

@@ShockSurplus yes that’s what I’m doing I’m buying everything little by little then take it to a shop to get everything installed

[@professionalchimp]

Can you run the fox 2.0 on a 2007 Ford Expedition regular model not EL?

[@ShockSurplus]

Technically Fox does not make anything for the Expedition, but you can technically get away with running the coilovers from a 2009-2013 F-150 up front. You just end up with around 1-1.5" more lift than what is advertised for the 150s. So if you were to leave Fox 2.0 part number 985-02-006 how they are set out of the box you would see closer to 3-3.5" of lift rather than the 2" lift they would normally provide on a 4WD F-150.

[@professionalchimp]

@@ShockSurplus and for the rear?

[@albertrivera5443]

Need advise for shocks... 06 silverado with a 6" lift.. daily driven no offroad.

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100s would be a great choice then

[@albertrivera5443]

@@ShockSurplus will do !! Thanks for the reply

[@rickjames5998]

What does it mean the shocks are tunable? If i buy the fox 2.0 can i put it on my jeep out of the box?

[@ShockSurplus]

They are still vehicle specific shocks so they are tuned for the vehicle and should work great out of the box, however some people have builds or preferences that are far enough out of the norm that they might need something custom tuned or valved for the application. Since the Fox shocks are serviceable, that also means they can be taken apart to be revalved or have the shim stack changed to better optimize the shocks for your particular use case. Will most people ever need custom valving with their bolt on shocks? Probably not, but there will always be some rigs and some drivers that do not fit in the boxes that most off the shelf tunes are optimized for. With that said Fox usually gets just about all you can get out of the base tune on their 2.0s, so it is hard to retune them to further optimize them in one avenue without making sacrifices in another.

[@FofoSolis]

Which shock would you recommend for a 80 series land cruiser? Im currently using OME Nitrocharger Sport with a 2” lift and 33” mud tires, and those shocks seems to be to soft, as if they were the oem :-/ I ride a lot and fast over moderate to bad terrain as I work as a civil engineer

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein would be the closet with the 5100 series. But if you want more, you can look into Fox or King which are both designed more for off-roading.

[@808drgreenthumb]

What would you recommend for a 5th gen 4Runner? Just want a basic entry model? Fox, eibach, or icon. I went a smooth ride with better handling. Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

Depends on what you're trying to do. Like build goals, driving style, truck usage and etc. Bilstein 6112 and 5100, Eibach Stage 2, Fox 2.0 are all great options to start.

[@celardo]

Will fox 2.0 still run smoother around town and rough fireroads for a 2021 F250 superduty diesel?

[@ShockSurplus]

That would be correct. The run softer on normal day to day driving and will get firmer when you off-road.

[@highwayhydroponics5823]

What do you suggest for 2015 dodge ram 3500 diesel dually mega cab that tows. Mostly used on road and has stock height with k02 tires.

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100

[@heyttsguy]

I have a 2020 Ram 3500 DRW with factory rear air, stock tire size, and stock height. I put a truck camper in the truck bed which is pushing 5000 lbs of added weight when loaded. I'm looking to upgrade the factory shocks to add more control when driving (minimize body roll/minimize bouncing) while still offering a reasonably comfortable ride when the truck is unloaded. What do you suggest? Thx.

[@ShockSurplus]

We suggest going with Bilstein 5100 as they are a great option for towing and hauling.

[@heyttsguy]

@@ShockSurplus I don't think they offer the 5100 for stock height do they?

[@jeremymcafee3553]

No they do not, I am having this same issue right now.

[@TrippyWoodStock]

Is it normal for the blue cover on the b4600 series to have a crimpled look to it? Just had both front and rear installed at a shop on my 96 k1500 gmt400. they look like they’re slightly squished on the rear (the blue cover) they don’t seem to be malfunctioning tho just didn’t know if that’s normal for their look after install. And there isn’t anything poking out or broken sorry if this seems like a silly question but this is my first time replacing shocks.

[@ShockSurplus]

yeah its normal, bilstein basically uses 1 for many lengths, so they can get squished, even with the accordion form.

[@TrippyWoodStock]

@@ShockSurplus awesome thank you for the reply much appreciated!

[@luisantonioramirez8561]

Hi What shock do you recommend for a 2012 ram rt for dirt roads greetings

[@ShockSurplus]

Eibach Pro Truck with the rear reservoirs or Fox 2.0 as any iteration.

[@SergioluisPerdomoVieyra]

i have a Hummer H3 2006 daily driver overlander off-roader which would you recommend?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100s for sure, the Fox is great, but if you find yourself loaded down like most overlanders, the digressive valving of the Bilsteins will do you a lot of favors.

[@Post_Oak_]

So 2.0 is too harsh but smoother with small bumps, but 5100s are better daily driver but stiffer? I’m confused I though that would be the opposite

[@ShockSurplus]

The 2.0s are definitely more plush over wash board roads and unmaintained surfaces, but they are a little lacking in the stability department and can feel a little boaty on the road. The 5100s can certainly be a bit firm over smaller bumps at lower speeds, but most paved surfaces do not have the same chatter that you would find on a dirt road, and you are generally going much fast enough where that extra firmness you feel is generally eliminated. Their additional stability and surefootedness make them a lot easier to live with every day, and they can easily last twice as long as a Fox. Even under strict road only use on the smoothest surfaces a Fox 2.0 will need a full rebuild as soon as 40k miles, whereas the Bilsteins will easily make it 80k or more under the same circumstances. If you really like a soft ride the Fox works great, but if you are strictly daily driving on the street, the increased stability and longer life of the Bilstein makes a lot more sense, especially when the conditions they are less comfortable in are much more rare on the road.

[@Post_Oak_]

@@ShockSurplus thank you for clarifying

[@kbcamfam]

Which bilstien shock is comparable with the fox 2.0 adventure?

[@ShockSurplus]

We would say either Bilstein 5100 or Eibach 2.0 series.

[@aaronduncan6038]

My TJ got 150,000 km from my Bilstein 5100's, just replaced them with Bilstein 5160 series shocks.

[@ShockSurplus]

That is pretty impressive! Great stuff!

[@ramliibrahim6193]

Which one do you recommen for velvo xc90 rear absorber?

[@ShockSurplus]

All we'll have is OEM replacement parts.

[@havencooper9389]

2005 2500hd duramax which is shock is best for heavy payloads and/or heavy towing. Don't care about anything else. thanks man

[@ShockSurplus]

Either Bilstein 5100 or KYB Monomax which are both towing and hauling shocks and considered more for heavier usage.

[@chadwallo8026]

What shocks would you guys recommend for a stock height 21 f350 fx4?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 4600 or Bilstein 5100 would be our recommendation.

[@dashcam3098]

blistein don't make the 5100 for a superduty stock front suspension only the 4600 and that shock color turns me off.@@ShockSurplus

[@rusmarsabornido3315]

Fox shock 2.0 Ford F150 I don't like either I got corrosion with my bolt and hard to remove, I'm not recommending!

[@ShockSurplus]

You can contact Fox directly and they can help you out.

[@charleswachta5010]

Can you install fix 2.0 one up one down on rear ??

[@ShockSurplus]

Not sure the question, if you mean going +1" in the front, and then -1" down in the rear (shackle), yes you can do that.

[@charleswachta5010]

@@ShockSurplus on rear axle one shaft up and the other shaft down

[@charleswachta5010]

@@ShockSurplus one shaft up one shaft down on the rear

[@dgw6448]

Linear spring rate does not increase as the shock compresses. That's that's what a progressive spring does. So are you saying fox are progressive ? As opposed to linear

[@avenmiller7597]

Ok so which ones is best for a truck being used to hotshot

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein for sure! It is hard to beat the ride of the Fox, but they are a little loose under a load and would need to be pulled off and rebuilt 2-3 times during the life of a Bilstein. They are great for a daily driver with some moderate off road use, but if you are really using your truck like a truck, the Bilsteins are definitely the way to go.

[@avenmiller7597]

@@ShockSurplus which model?

[@avenmiller7597]

@@ShockSurplus took your advice and man am I in love. No sagging! It’s a lil bumpy when empty but loaded I’d think I had air bags! thanks brother

[@benoroarty4207]

😊😊

[@kevinglainez8151]

I have a stock 1990 F150 RWD No lift kit no leveling kit But I would love run on fox shocks or a least the 5100 without adjustment setti g

[@ShockSurplus]

You have a separate coil and shock up front so there is not going to be a 5100 or Fox coilover that simply bolts in stock height. With that said, it is a Twin I Beam Ford, so the world is your oyster if you have the money or fabrication skills.

[@autoshaman4319]

92 wrangler with a 4 inch lift and 33 inch tires. I don't think anything will help the ride this thing puts out . Mostly around town and pot holed back roads of Vt . Think the 5100s will help ? I have 10 year old skyrockets that aren't doing anything I presume but I don't think anything will smooth out a leaf sprung jeep.

[@ShockSurplus]

yeah it's going to be hard to recover the ride on that thing, fox 2.0 seem to do well to help oversprung lighter vehicles, but we understand they may be outside of some's budgets. You could also find a Rancho RS7MT shock that would work (based on extended length measurements from cross-apps). We hesitate to recommend Bilstein if the ride is already too firm

[@luisalonso3314]

Wich is better for my Ranger?

[@ShockSurplus]

It really depends on what year, what trim, and what you're using the vehicle for. Please contact our sales team directly.

[@luisalonso3314]

Is 2017 model i want confort in off road

[@mz1906]

fox