the weird inner workings of random crits - a comprehensive explanation

[@shounic]

---- nov 28th ~~ the random crits series ~~ 1. how it works, very technically: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKupmmOfe9R_pbc 2. fake crits: kzbin.info/www/bejne/manZgIKorq6fsMU 3. crit cheats: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKOYqINrrth1jtk ---- nov 4th hello, sorry it took so long (again). this video was really difficult to plan and script, mainly because there was just so many variables and concepts to try and organize into something coherent. i hope the video isn't too confusing. technically speaking this video was also a lot more complicated than ones i've made in the past since i wanted to expose the workings of the game with the console so you can see everything directly. hopefully that was worth all the trouble. this video was also meant to cover 2 more topics besides just how random crits work. there's definitely going to be at least 1 more video about random crits next, and maybe 2 depending on how things go. reminder that there's a channel tracker i made for situations like these :) trello.com/b/L3B65jUX

[@xiutxui1689]

first

[@hrismann]

It is just an amazing video, as always ! Keep up the wonderful work, bud

[@hellcatanalian]

Thank you shounic for explaining why does the Medic Uber saw have a 100% crit chance

[@recurvestickerdragon]

One thing that may assist is a segment near the start like "there are several different checks for damage in the process, each one with different criteria for what counts and what doesn't" as a heads-up that there will be several similar-sounding but mechanically distinct steps ahead. Then maybe a graphic showing the three "how much damage have you done" checks that we can gray out until we reach them.

[@Guaporacer]

@@hellcatanalian but he actually did not, the medigun doesn't builds up crit chance, which is the thing that most people tought it was the reason for the abnormally high crit chance of the ubersaw, so now there is a weird mistery revolving those damned random crits

[@matthewwhiteside4619]

"Afterburn and bleed damage works as you would expect." Honestly, at this point I have literally no expectations about how things should work in TF2.

[@mysitcowl4574]

The spaghetti code is a sacred thing, one must not question how it works since it is too hard for us to understand it

[@attilagama168]

@@mysitcowl4574 we are normal people, but gaben and shounic are higher beings that can understand the ancient code of the tf2 files , and thus they are our only hope

[@LieseFury]

yeah that line kinda pissed me off. i'm watching this to learn, not to be told i already know something.

[@ponponpatapon9670]

@@LieseFury you're the original starwalker

[@nm3k511]

I would expect to work as: > Initial damage (that will trigger bleed/burn) can be crit boosted, but rest of remaining damage caused by the status effect cannot be boosted by Crit. > Status Effects can be boosted by Mini Crits tho. As is as far my knowledge goes.

[@InappropriatePolarbear]

Spy told us about the bucket. He even told us there was more. But this is not what I expected.

It contains the dying wish of every man here.

[@karlbischof2807]

@ lol

[@John_Smith_Dumfugg]

No...

[@bread6811]

Bread.

[@ItsYee64]

This is now My favorite comment.

[@pumpkeenhead]

"i fired a random crit, but HOW did i fire a random crit" *vsauce music starts*

[@youdontknowme3935]

*"i fired a random crit, or did I? Ey valvesauce first thing first let's count to ?. Come on now just follow my lead 1, 2 .... ? There are optical illusions, audio illusions, temperature sensation illusions, even tactile illusions but the number ? seems to be the most illusive of all. Our brains never needed to develop an understanding of the number ? It's pretty freaky and cool and a little humbling, because it shows the limits of the accuracy of our calculations and a wall we will never ever surmount no matter how many 9 years of development pass."

[@lugiagaurdien773]

I was just about to say that

[@Pllid]

Lmao

[@Holek2]

Hello, vsauce! shounic here!

[@Marix-ue5hc]

lmao

[@pulledpork9778]

For those wondering about the infinite crits on sandman/wrap assassin balls via a glitch, the reason it happens is because the crit seed is only generated when you *left click* and not when you right click, meaning that their alt-fires will not re-roll the seed, thus guaranteeing a crit on each ball thrown

[@shounic]

lol wtf this actually makes sense. i've read about the glitch but even after making this video i never put 2 and 2 together. your theory could very well be the explanation 🤔

[@SnivyVonDerpPhuckI]

This works with the Scorch Shot's taunt too. If you fire a random crit normally, then immediately taunt a bunch of times, they'll all be crits.

[@shinydewott]

hmm... does this work with the Heavy's fists? If I random crit while punching, can I use Left Click to get random crits constantly?

[@StupendousIdiot]

@@shinydewott because that is the few instaces that re rolls

[@алексейЦыплёнков-ф6о]

@@SnivyVonDerpPhuckI this desnt seem broken at all, gona try the glitch in a pub later, not like crit scorch shot spam will be all that usefull without mobility anyways

[@sidknoop6381]

The entire 'multiply by crit to normal shot ratio' is actually a pretty clever way to keep random crits random, but prevent them from happening too often in a row.

[@VickMcbread]

fuck robin walker for adding them to the game. he sucks shit

[@ghoulbuster1]

@@VickMcbread mad?

[@sparkling925]

@@ghoulbuster1 he probably got crit by a medic he was trying to butter knife

[@LordVader1094]

@@VickMcbread Okay Uncle Dane fan, cry harder

[@VickMcbread]

@@ghoulbuster1 pieces of shit like you make the community worse

[@BlazingShadowSword]

So the medic crits really are just bullshit. While engie wrench crits are working as intended.

[@calebwirt2703]

From what I've heard, the Medic's recent damage modifier (that first 1-4x) is always maxed, which is why the Ubersaw crits so often - most medics use the ubersaw, and many use it as often as possible, so that 60% chance happens a lot

[@calebwirt2703]

I'd still say that medic crits are some hot garbage - you shouldn't lose a fight because you successfully flanked or caught out a support class and then get punished for stepping in melee range

[@zera1266]

@@calebwirt2703 Why not? The medic should still have a way to win? Otherwise people wouldn't want to play the support role because you basically get screwed by your team.

[@Ripheart789]

@@zera1266 Have you played uncletopia? No random crits and I can promise you there's always a medic, unlike pubs

[@percher4824]

@@zera1266 Because the Medic is strictly a support class and should *NOT* have an instant get out of jail free card. Medic already controls the entire flow of the game with his invaluable Übercharges and healing. A pocket 195 is complete bullshit no matter what way you twist it.

[@Brown95P]

@11:03 >"Dying doesn't reset your crit bucket" So _THAT'S_ why getting crits immediately after respawning is so abnormally common...!

[@gisopolis77]

no, none of the parts of the crit audit should affect you in normal gameplay, they only matter if you're trying to crithack

[@VickMcbread]

the chances of that are 2% since you've done no actual damage (the crit bucket is not the same as the ramp chance via damage)

[@chrisjuan9249]

@@VickMcbread but you dont need to deal actual damage at the moment of getting the ramp amp, it counts in the damages done from last 20 sec.

[@kolerder]

Kinda late, but crit bucket has nothing to do with the chance of it happening, its a wallet, so it insted prevents it from happening if youre cheating

[@PumPuum]

This explains why cheaters with crit hacks 100% crit with melee but not always with ranged weapons. I assume (I could be wrong) that the cheat changes what command number its sending to the server to one that it knows it will guarantee a crit, and the reason they don't 100% crit is because of the 3rd check of damage ratio

[@Reezgo]

It uses the bucket. When its full you can force out all your stored crits.

[@Lethal_Spoon]

i figured that out in like 2019

[@obrezman1668]

You can crit 100% of the time using hitscan or projectile weapons with cheats. I just tested (aimware).

[@imgladnotu9527]

@@obrezman1668 perfect crit hack is public now afaik lmao. Surprised tom didnt paste it in his joke of a cheat, what's worse is that NC's also is still the same as the last update, AW, idk polak's smoking crack somewhere with his "ferrari", CH's is pretty solid for something being free lol, even though the entire cheat is one huge fucking mess full of estrogen induced coding and fake fur sheddings.

[@p.100]

@@imgladnotu9527 >estrogen induced coding

[@davymachinegun5130]

Now we know why Soldier wanted that bucket.

[@ADonutMan]

He stored x2 amount of crits in there!

[@24kingofcards]

soldier being an interdimensional creature that knows the power that the bucket holds seems totally in character

[@Sethilliano]

Need Crits!

[@Ronicalter]

now you’re implying he knows more than we do

[@swethy25]

This is really interesting-- it seems like they're deliberately designed to "feel" exciting and random rather than being purely, stochastically random. You get more crits by doing more damage, firing your weapon more, switching between melee and ranged weapons and not rolling too many crits previously.

[@LordVader1094]

I honestly think it's quite well designed! I hope it's not removed eventually because of naysayers

[@lamb6276]

​@@LordVader1094 That would imply some sort of balance update or something. Do you remember what game we're talking about?

[@awe9217]

i would make a fair and balanced joke but wow holy shit i didn't realize how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[@VickMcbread]

yes it seems random crits are actually as fair & as balanced as the devs intended them to be....... but robin walker STILL sucks shit. fuck that guy & the original TFteam who designed tf2. they added random crits into the game IM MALDING. tf2 needed better devs >;c

[@HoodedStatue]

Well that is source spaghetti for you

[@Mantafirefly]

In most cases the rabbit hole only goes as deep as the recent-damage multiplier. All the other stuff is just anti-cheat stuff.

[@festiveobeliskus]

Your console copy-pastas have not gone unnoticed, Shounic.

[@Pllid]

Tea

[@UsernameDell]

Tea

[@RadMadLad]

Coffee

[@dotquack1]

Cheetos

[@gamer_TM]

chicken

[@wojtekpolska1013]

2:24 i love how the soldier *drinks the jarate*

[@vepply]

You gotta grip it and sip it

[@commscan314]

no he's blowing bubbles

[@mrfrog0913]

Wait, I wonder if it's the same animation with the mad milk. Don't drink that soldier, that isn't really milk! Oh no...

[@gdttdeggegdh5471]

The video title: how do random crits work? What I expected: take base crit chance, increase it depending on your recent damage output What I got: This... is a bucket.

[@DragonaxFilms]

This is incredibly cool. Your motion graphics are top notch and really elevate the quality of the videos. This video, much like TF2, was worth the wait.

[@AngryCaesCorporation]

And it didn't even need 9 years in development.

[@MarlowPreston]

The Gabe art to clear the console is great.

[@thelunaticcultist5157]

“How do random Crits work?” - Fair and Balancedly.

[@TheTrashman9]

random Frits

[@thelunaticcultist5157]

@@TheTrashman9 fuck, it’s fixed now

[@TheTrashman9]

@@thelunaticcultist5157 your sins are laid bare

[@elbowremovalservice]

no they dont work dont lie to people am proper uncle dane wannabe he said they bad dont you know that theyre bad can you not misinform people its stupid valve please just do something so i can stop typing this reply please i mean gaben we all want it except for the dumb ones i mean come on.

[@TheTrashman9]

@@elbowremovalservice Your meds, schizo.

[@probablynotalatexshork5495]

valve: "This.. Is a bucket." crit hackers: "Dear god.." valve: "There's more." crit hackers: "No!"

[@dclc]

so hackers were actually soldier tf2 all along

[@Mixa_Lv]

Even though the crit bucket has the minimum cap of -250, can you ever go to negative values? Your crit is rejected when it goes to negative values so it shouldn't be possible, or is it then a thing with the automatic weapons because they get the 2 second crit time instead of a single shot? (edit: was the 2 second crit time mentioned in the video?)

[@zitronenwasser]

Well you cannot go below 0, hardcoded in the game, valve forgot the cap can be, and is negative

[@NintenGunner]

This might be the biggest “oh my god” moment I’ve had with this game yet.

[@emred4653]

I remember getting 3-4 crits in a row with holy macarel in the mediaval game mode, it was beautiful.

[@roketgamer333]

that happened to me with the skullcutter, someone tried to kick me because they thought i was cheating

[@Sethilliano]

lmao

[@OldSchoolTF2]

As usual, excellent presentation! Thanks a lot for doing these videos, they really help everyone better understand this game we so much love!

[@pakiprime9158]

no

[@Artician]

@@pakiprime9158 yes

[@macrohotline8834]

Now we need mini mod that shows counter damage dealt in one life on hud

[@TwoAgainstNature]

Are you asking about non critical damage done in one life or total damage done in one life?

[@sgas]

You mean in the last 20 seconds?

[@recurvestickerdragon]

Achievements, strange parts, even

[@dumblenutz5561]

That could probably be a script you can use to know your current crit chance.

[@macrohotline8834]

@@TwoAgainstNature ye just damage

[@lynxovski]

Are you able to explain how the Wraped Assasin and Sandman 100% projectile crit glitch happens?

[@caleb_artzs2533]

I guess since the balls are always doing constant damage

[@drago5819]

Actually, this guy is referring to an actual bug, not the feature you guys are talking about. There’s a bug that causes all wrap assassin and sandman projectiles to crit no matter the range. I forget the setup, but u can look it up.

[@maatoangeleri2913]

@@drago5819 you shoot a random crit with a weapon, then switch and only shoot balls

[@lynxovski]

@@lipschitzlyapunov That's not what Im talking about mister.

[@lynxovski]

@@drago5819 Correct.

[@kevinb3831]

Finally a proper and in depth explination

[@Octoooo]

Farming damage for what is basically a guaranteed melee crit? This is VALUABLE information shounic. Thanks for going through the trouble of making the video as detailed as you did.

[@awsomebot1]

the damage counter as seen on the console seems to be lagging behind the actual damage dealth. is this due to the script, or is that how the crit multiplier works (i.e. counts damage from 1-2 seconds behind)

[@shounic]

crit checks are all run as soon as you click before you even fire. so console output will always have to "wait for the next cycle" to update the numbers

[@SSM24_]

Also worth mentioning (it was mentioned at around 0:46 but it might be easy to miss), the crit bonus multiplier is only based on damage done within the last 2 to 20 seconds, so that's why there's a delay of a couple seconds during that part of the video.

[@Awhmanlol]

Thank you for your hard work, the way you explain the source spaghetti makes it easy to understand

[@MiquShiro]

Weird how uber saw is known for critting constantly and yet medic doesnt get the bonus from healing

[@Nikkibuh]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYG6lntnnZWiiJI He might actually

[@alexstewart9592]

Uber saw is a melee weapon with random crits. ALL weapons like that have an inherant 15% chance to crit with no prior damage. And 20 seconds can be a long time in TF2, so if there is a crossbow shot or two or a prior melee attack in there, you crit fairly often.

[@MiquShiro]

@@alexstewart9592 Thing is I cant hit crossbow hits and when I do its not on enemies and it still crits

[@MiquShiro]

@Blackout (except spy and demoknight) Im talking about how its weird that medics uber saw has a whole stereotype that it always crits and yet its most often only 15% crit

[@holdenroberts6973]

​@@MiquShiroprobably because they a: don't expect to lose to a medic so it sticks out a lot more in their mind and b: most classes don't fight with their melee that often with their most common playstyles. So even though all melee weapons are like that, you see it less often.

[@TKsh1]

It's amazing how random crits have a rather complex mechanic for such a simple result: you died just because funny enemy clicked mouse and got lucky.

[@FatCatCooper]

I love mae!

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

No f*rries

[@FatCatCooper]

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v bro you got a anime PFP you ain't got any right to talk

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@FatCatCooper VTubers aren't cartoons, and mine is literally on the ADL as a hate symbol. Incredibly based.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@FatCatCooper Oh, wait. You're also a f*rry. Reported to PETA and the UNICEF.

[@wahatda8944]

They work like this: Get a kill streak Someone new joins the game and picks demoman He throws a crit sticky and kills you because it's funny.

[@blitzn00dle50]

Crit stickies are destructive

[@keerf255]

This explains why I would have seemingly more "random crits" than regular hits back when half zati still had random crits! Thanks!

[@SamFreelancePolice]

You're like the TF2 Vsauce. The console logging was a nice touch. Great video!

[@toadbros5295]

it’s so weird how much thought towards balancing went into such an inherently unbalanced mechanic

[@DJL3G3ND]

the only thing that makes it unbalanced really is the fact that you dont know when its gonna happen

[@moronribbons5774]

12:34 so that's why I just random crit flames when I'm spychecking so damn often.

[@jaysbadatgaming]

I couldn’t figure out what the ASCII art was until around 4:58 when I figured out is was our lord and savior gaben

[@YourLocalRaider]

So, you're telling me that if i deal enough damage as a Scout, i can get a high crit chance while i whack people with the Sun-On-A-Stick or the Wrap Assassin? Nice.

[@Scout-Fanfiction]

Comprehensive and informative. Thanks for putting in all the effort that you did for this vid and all the other ones :).

[@Leffrey]

It’s incredible how much effort went into a system everybody hates

[@circuit-2925]

i love your videos, its weirdly fun seeing exactly how the game works this way

[@ViggleTheVirgil]

The only way I've found I've been able to actively follow math in my life and it's calculating when your gun gets a glowey damage boi in the silly cartoon hat game

[@dragoon5815]

The fact that someone took the time to figure this out is impressive, good work.

[@youraveragedom2378]

1:50 That poor Heavy :(

[@squishybrick]

This actually perfectly explains why the ubersaw and pan apparently crit so much more often. Because they're being USED so much more often. I've experienced this myself, as, being a medic, I use a strange solemn vow and repeatedly try to melee people, and that thing will end up critting quite often. Turns out ANY melee weapon will crit a lot, if you just use it a bunch.. Go figure.

[@milliondollarmistake]

Something I've always been curious about is how crit hacks work. I understand why you probably don't want to explain how people do it but still lol

[@hayond656]

10:43 It took me this long to realize the wall of text is art of Gabe

[@StarUndrscre]

random crits work when you're doing really well in the game and a f2p hits you with a crit rocket

[@why3994]

whats wrong with f2p players

[@Lerre]

@@why3994 Nothing wrong with them, would feel equally annoyed if any bad player won a fight against me with a stroke of luck.

[@Gotmilk0112]

@@why3994 f2ps are bad

[@mentosvagabond]

@@Lerre I once panic air blast 4 rocket with 1 rm, 2 of them are crits, my first ever team wipe.

[@StarUndrscre]

@@why3994 i have nothing against f2ps, i just needed something to put there and f2p players were the only thing i can think of lol

[@knavenformed9436]

So a full bodyshot from Sleeper and then jumping on the enemy team with the Kukri works every time 60% of the time? I like those odds.

[@skullgamer7T]

I remember getting 4 crits in a row, i got so many points from it, it was when i was still new to the game

[@Teku69420]

7:48 *Well that escalated quickly...*

[@aftsfm]

7:53 sad

[@aqua2k210]

This explains everything. I have always wondered why Medics and Engineers always seem to have melee crits

[@razumikhim]

this game has a more complicated random crit system than anti bot system

[@Mletto]

Thanks for precious knowledge

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

Joined a payload game on the side of a team that was getting stomped defending. Went heavy and went on a 40 kill rampage. A soldier with no cosmetics and a level two badge joined and fired a random crit that ended my streak. We lost right after that. True story. The hell with random crits.

[@frixzanub2632]

Imagine the soldiers reaction to ending your ks lmao. "Jose_Gonzales 2007 HAS ENDED Epic_Heavymain'S KILLSTEREAK 40>"

[@TheOsamaBahama]

If your team relies on 1 good player carrying the team to win, they don't deserve to win. The random crit balanced the situation.

[@SamuelTrademarked]

@@TheOsamaBahama the enemy team shouldn't rely on a trash player getting blessed by the rng gods to win either lmao, the crit wasn't balanced.

[@The_D_ray]

Shounic carefully explaining the mechanic while I keep thinking: "Hehe, Gabe ascii art."

[@coenisgreat]

‘The medigun doesn’t count’ So the one main theory as to why medic melee weapons crit so often isn’t true? huh….

[@RepostCollection]

Crits are awarded to players doing a lot of damage, making the teams even more unbalanced than they already were

[@MeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowMeowww]

First they bitch that random critz are bad, cause they reward for no input. Now they bitch that random critz are bad, cause they do reward for input. Seriously, this is just stupid.

[@LordVader1094]

Yeah, so what? They're still fun. Play a no crits server if it bothers you

[@chrisjuan9249]

Its quite readonable. If you r constantly maxing out damage, that means there is just more and more people out there you couldn't kill. Doing 800 raw damage in 20 second is not hard to achieve. But hard to maintain. Take rocket launcher as an example, to achieve 800 raw dmg in 20 seconds. first you will have to do 11 non-stopping shot(with reload). And you have at least direct hit 9 of those, basically aim bot accuracy. And somehow you didn't kill all of yout enemy.

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

Years late, but this is also, kind of the point. In addition to rewarding skill, it's done this way to help avoid stalemates. You ever notice that there's quite a few official maps where BLU on offense actually has _shorter_ respawn times when they're already winning? Same idea.

[@Ori_Ovadia]

I always thought that the medic gets higher random crit chance after healing teammates for a while, since using the ubersaw always seemed to have higher crit chance than other classes that use melee. Guess its been debunked :|

[@AnjoSoy]

PC: "Dearest server, My wife left me, HELP, I died. Regards, Thanks."

[@largeoctahedron]

Imagine if mediguns counted as a negative crit chance multiplier

[@falxie_]

This makes them actually seem "fair and balanced"

[@Woodland_Adventures]

Personally, I'd like to know how the script kiddies and bots can get (almost) guaranteed crits, especially since there are at least two things that seem to counter-act guaranteed crits within the crit check systems.

[@GogiRegion]

It basically just gives the server the highest possible random value generated by the client so that when the data is sent to the server, it ends up maximizing crit chance or something like that.

[@blukat9903]

if you look close enough at 7:27 you can see that the engineer blood is about 10% radioactive piss

[@S4tan1a]

Its funny how cheaters can overpass that "checks" and have random crits when they want and i can reflect his crockets and use them as toys for my entertainment

[@S4tan1a]

@Blackout there is a meme video in my channel of a chater being counter-attacked by his own random crit, in that match, he was always getting crits including his medic, i have the question, how they can do that? How they manipulate the game to always get a crit?

[@ombricshalazar3869]

@Blackout a maximum of 8% rolled 10 times in a row? i can believe it happened once somewhere, but when it's past 10^-10 it becomes harder to believe on a routine basis

[@chrisjuan9249]

@@ombricshalazar3869 they can bypass the random roll which is not a rule, but not bucket check.

[@moronribbons5774]

2:55 so rushing down and successfully beating a vacc combo actually offers way more benefit to your crit chance since the registered damage for your boost is way higher than what they'd likely sponge with shields Is this how valve excuses the vacc? It grants more random crits to a pyro or heavy that spams them down so it's totally balanced

[@AshnSilvercorp]

this explains why I've seen crits come out, and they aren't crits.

[@burnedgrapes]

oh so thats exactly why i sometimes hear crit sound but it doesnt actually crit

[@AshnSilvercorp]

@@burnedgrapes yep, I've heard and even seen the crit clientside, and it just turns into normal damage.

[@hoffer_moment]

this has never happened to me on valve servers, only community, leading me to believe it's a server plugin thing

[@burnedgrapes]

@@hoffer_moment it tends to happen to spy's revolver, sometimes you hear the crit sound, you hit the player and no crit damage

[@ChatookaMusic]

The random chaos of the universe: _look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power!_

[@distorted_heavy]

I can't wait until people start trying to manipulate RCs in casual

[@GogiRegion]

If there was a TF2 speedrun of some kind and a random crit would speed it up, you know they would find a way.

[@Sethilliano]

@@GogiRegion ...and abuse it

[@NicknineTheEagle]

It's worth noting that the crit bucket and damage types ratio check were not in the game at launch, they were added a lot later. Additionally, base crit chance on ranged weapons used to be 5%, it was lowered to 2% in 2009.

[@LoneWindtheWolf]

shounic: This is a crit bucket TF2 player: dear god shounic: There's more TF2 player: no...

[@TehNoobiness]

Soldier using the Buff Banner animation with the Jarate is cursed.

[@Blu-Meanie]

I don't know what the likely-hood of this being seen, but I have always noticed that when there's a lot of enemies in front of an opposing sentry gun, the sentry tends to switch from target to target, whether or not the target dies. I'm a bit curious if this is something that's done at random, or if there's something more to it that determines who the sentry targets if there are multiple targets

[@H.A.L9000]

maybe it depends on distance to target?

[@Z2Obsidion]

Pretty sure it does

[@argothgods]

Crits and some mini crits are when the doctors heart monitor skips a beat and spits out energy towards your hands and weapon As per the words of Heavy many of the cosmetics are often just cosmetics Hats are often just hats

[@doctortwilight]

Crit lore

[@MooshBoosh]

Fascinating as always! I never knew about the crit bucket, or how insanely high the melee crit chance can get to. I don't quite get the random number generator part with the "random seed." Not only do I not understand it, but from what I do get of it, I don't know know why it would be needed since it sounds like a weird way of just making it more unlikely.

[@benismann]

isnt it just a randomizer?

[@DrMonty-ng5fo]

This is going to sound weird, but believe me, it's true. Computers can't decide things randomly. Seriously. The reason the whole random seed thing exists is because the game (and all computers in general) can't decide things randomly. So, how they programmed it is by having a clock spin up at super high speeds, and then whenever you shoot, the game looks to see if the clock number is below your crit chance, and if it is, then it gives you a crit. Ta da! "randomness". It's not random at all, you just can't notice the difference. Different games use different ways to determine randomness. For example, some games actually use the TEMPERATURE OF THE CPU to roll for "randomness". It's kinda fascinating.

[@benismann]

@@DrMonty-ng5fo ye, but i mean, all this random seed stuff happens just so a random number can be generated, isnt it?

[@MooshBoosh]

@@DrMonty-ng5fo Ah okay. That makes sense.

[@commscan314]

@@DrMonty-ng5fo Some applications use microscopic atmospheric measurements that will never be the same because of chaos.

[@bobbyferg9173]

Medigun healing doesn’t increase random crit chance? So you are telling me that the Medics who run at fully revved Heavies with the Ubersaw and get 2 random crits in a row don’t have some additional crit chance on their side?

[@AlanStryman]

full on art of rally ost now? massive prop for that

[@thedoctordallin]

>Medigun doesn't count towards the damage bonus. So wait, why do Medic melees crit so much then???

[@burnedgrapes]

i think medic crits are also based off how much healing you have done and overheal probably does not count

[@daedliy963]

As stated in the video melees have a higher crit chance

[@Guaporacer]

@@daedliy963 yeah but only 15% at base, which is in no way the average ammount of crits a medic deals with his melee

[@daedliy963]

@@Guaporacer but you're completely disregarding the damage buildup probably harnessed by both primary and the melee itself, the ubersaw is a favorite over its extra damage after all

[@Guaporacer]

@@daedliy963 its stated in the video that the medigun doesnt builds up crit chance, and a medic that has his primary out for more than a couple seconds, specially for dealing damage, is not doing a good job, and we talk about competent medics here, also they tend to just one shot you with a crit before they even get the chance to realistically build up damage

[@zunlise2341]

Lesson learnt: 3 melee hits before exiting spawn.

[@grimreaper1542]

So you’re telling me, if we have 2 friends on the other team w/ FoS heavy and Vacc med, you could essentially farm crits with them?? Too bad I don’t have 2 friends :(

[@FED0RA]

@MetaruPX that applies to ubersaw too

[@rocwolfe2498]

What about if a taunt kill kills more than one enemy at once? For example: The Soldier's Kamikaze Taunt, it can kill a group of nearby enemies. "Gentlemen, this is a Bucket" "Dear God" "There's more!" "No!"

[@nddragoon]

if damage from healing someone doesnt count, then how come the ubersaw ALWAYS crits?

[@blitzn00dle50]

magic

[@SirNarax]

2:15 presumably this includes the crit bonus of the flare gun. I wonder how this would work with the Dragon's Fury if it could crit. Since the damage bonus is actually the normal damage and a negative damage modifier is applied.

[@cerocero2817]

How did you monitor the variables through the console? I would also be interested in an explanation of how to interpret the source code, how to find where the crit calculations are and all that. Guess the bucket may be why some people were under the false impression that crit chance bonus didn't deplete.

[@GogiRegion]

Honestly, when there’s a source leak of a game, it’s way easier, but still hard. You basically just have to look through code, usually using comment searching if comments are involved in the leak, and find a method or variable that looks like it’s responsible, then just look at all cases in which that variable is used or function is called to see what happens. It can be very tedious to do, and with something as big as TF2 it would be hard even if it was nice and organized code, but spaghetti code is a nightmare. Some games like Minecraft are easy as hell to mod since everything is super organized and well commented, though (which the TF2 code leaked shows it isn’t). If you don’t have the source code, you’re a bit fucked and it will be way harder, but you start off by looking at memory addresses during specific points in gameplay, and then you see which variables have or haven’t been changed. Then you can look at the game’s assembly (notated machine code) and see where that’s used. Sometimes code can be decompiled into an easier to understand programming language in a coherent way, but sometimes it can’t. In general, you need decent coding and computer experience to do so, and sometimes it’s easier just to test things out in game instead of trying to look at code.

[@FrenchineerGaming]

It would be fun to have a hud that display the crit bonus so that you know when you can go melee crit killstreak.

[@Gman3346]

So wait if the medi gun's assist damage isn't counted towards the damage bucket, why do medic melee's crit so often?

[@thunderspark1536]

Melees have a much higher crit chance, and since medic doesn't use his melee often, when he does swing he will often crit.

[@techoeastveld]

I love the Gabe newel face you made with all the letters and stuff in the console lmao.

[@gangrene9897]

Damage done through Patients doesn't count for the medic's damage buff, but does healing injured teammates count?

[@puddin555]

No

[@edq3]

nope, it's only affected by the medic's own recent damage, as seen in 5:55

[@gangrene9897]

That's overheal. I'm interested in base healing

[@puddin555]

@@gangrene9897 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYG6lntnnZWiiJI

[@alik250]

Ah yes, my favorite quiet video editing youtuber

[@Shiorevi]

Never realised how sad the Heavy looks after taking damage, 1:48 it genuinelly makes me want to hug him and say he'll be ok.

[@skipmanghondarg]

*"You'll be okay"* *proceeds to turn on femur breaker with damage dealt counter and bonus damage counter

[@Zetawavez]

@UCMUSe1PC4LtnxPeRT_cOLEQ Heavy death noise.mp3

[@marioman1242]

@@skipmanghondarg "Don't worry, femurs grow back"

[@serioussponge6416]

"Ohhhhh it is saad daaaay!"

[@bardofarmagh]

same his face looks so depressing

[@micahnightwolf]

I'm honestly stunned that anybody can have such a deep comprehension of the Source Spaghetti Monster.

[@walterbrink5391]

Random crit gameplay: haha rare high moment in tf2 go brrrr! Random crit lore:

[@th3e_m4ng0]

I do not like the man hat appears whenever you open the console, he's spooky

[@th3e_m4ng0]

oh my god it's gabe newell im so sorry

[@ADonutMan]

@@th3e_m4ng0 Well he is a hat man)

[@Henrix1998]

This left so many questions about how this works in practice

[@ulyssepersonne7899]

Random crits, it just works. Todd coded them obviously !

[@megawalrein1824]

7:53 dearest server, my wife left me. regards, thanks

[@calebwirt2703]

video starts "How do random crits work? In short, they don't." *15:50** of silence*

[@boionketamine6359]

No hoovy was harmed during this video.