Stargate SG-1 - Season 8 - Full Alert - Last-ditch attempt

On the brink of global devastation, Stargate Command tries its best to defuse tensions with Russia.
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[@Ragitsu]

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[@trymetal95]

it's easy to forget that O'Neil here isn't just in command of the SGC but as the commander of the Cheyenne facility he's the effective commander of NORAD in such a situation which is why he's so involved in the process

[@Kez_DXX]

I thought Stargate Command was separate from NORAD upstairs. But in situations like this or when the Goa'uld show up with motherships in orbit, it is good that they're both in the same mountain complex. But we never see who is running things in NORAD so that does make sense

[@dyent]

@@Kez_DXX Yeah, SGC has to be separate from NORAD, because NORAD is a joint operation with Canada. If the SGC was part of NORAD then Canada would've known about the Stargate from day 1.

[@Kez_DXX]

@Jyt yeah That's a pretty important point I completely forgot about.

[@danielk5780]

I would imagine that NORAD would not be in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex in the Stargate Universe. One of the failsafes for backfiring Gate-Operations, such as an enemy invasion through the Gate is collapsing the mountain on it - in addition to that, they had to evacuate the Facility numerous times, or seal it off. Putting Norad in the same facility would just be an easily avoidable security risk. They can easily find another mountain to build a military base into. O'Neill is involved in the situation because Colonel Chekov is there - Chekov is a high ranking Russian Military officer, who has contacts up into the Kremlin. And at this very moment they're in contact with the Russian President - at a time when he probably wouldn't pick up the phone if the American President called. The Pentagon and the NSA are at this moment probably weighing a First Strike against the Russian military, and when Jack asks to call Washington, he was very likely to just report that his hail-mary was unsuccesfull. He is also important because, in case of a nuclear war, the Stargate Facility would probably be the most important location on Earth, as it would be one of two exits from the ensuing nuclear wasteland. So they need to stay up-to-date and prepare for the arrival of perhaps the president himself, preparing to a safer location - even though it might be safest to beam him up to Prometheus when shit starts to go down. Either way, Jack would have the job to facilitate the survival of the human race post-nuclear war. And considering the severity of the situation, it might even be questionable if the Cheyenne Mountain Complex would survive such an attack. A logical strategy here would have been to beam up the Stargate and the organizational staff into the Hangar-Bay of the Prometheus and conduct operations from there, to prevent the Gate from being lost for good, should the shooting start. I'd imagine that any "survival"-plan would be based upon beaming up qualified people and supplies and sending them through the Stargate to their off-world bases. But then again, it's a TV show. They're involved, because those are the characters the viewer knows and the show needs to keep the viewer in the loop somehow.

[@Techburn997]

@@danielk5780 I imagine they would have unofficially moved NORAD out of Cheyenne after the first couple of incidents at the SGC similar to how it is now in real life.

[@bangscutter]

Stargate is one of the very few shows from the US that portrays the Russians in a positive manner.

[@cjcarus921]

To be fair, back then there was hope we could get along and grow as friends in peaceful coexistence. The last decade has put that idea to bed for the forseeable future, unfortunately.

[@johng.1703]

incompetent is a positive thing?

[@DawgBreff]

That's science fiction for you

[@Okada_Caelun]

@@johng.1703 To be fair, I don't think many on earth outside SGC are portrayed as "competent", and incompitent is better than malicious and scheming.

[@Ragitsu]

Eventually, anyhow; at first, this show exhibited an obvious Anti-Russia streak.

[@jBKht931]

At the end I can imagine Jack saying "forget calling Washington, somebody order me a pizza" 😂

[@ff3player]

Most likely the best booze they can get

[@Experiment632]

Colonel Chekov probably adds in "better make that two".

[@wsconsn]

If you don’t see the villain die, he’s not dead.

[@BladeOfLight16]

Sometimes not even when you do see it.

[@marco002]

Stannis Baratheon likes that

[@Sybrakos1]

​@@BlackDiamond2718 Apophis?

[@FaultlineSurfer]

I always appreciated how this scene mirrored the one in Icon when the two nations were on the verge of nuclear war, the only difference being that the Russians managed to fight off the traitors and retake the silos.

[@Taospark]

3:17 "Why are we not returning fire?" 20 seconds later "Oh, that is wh-"

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

Only thing you're missing from this set of clips from this episode is O'neill announcing the upgrade to DefCon One. Was always a great "oh fuck" moment.

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

On a different note, anyone else think that Goa'uld Kinsley somehow managed to survive?

[@Ragitsu]

@@GreyhawkTheAngry They _did_ leave him a way out, so...it is certainly possible he's still out there.

[@brownro214]

@@Ragitsu Of course he survived.

[@epiendless1128]

@@GreyhawkTheAngry According to Gateworld.net, Ronny Cox certainly thought Kinsey survived. He was expecting to play the role again. He supposedly helped himself to an Asgard transporter operator, which I suppose is that wrist thing at 1:43.

[@claian12]

@@epiendless1128 He did take the modified hand device, which had control of the Asgard beaming tech on the al'kesh. So I believe he beamed himself down to Earth.

[@Rob8729]

This episode showed us there were other heroic teams out there in this universe saving the world besides those of the SGC.

[@alancasallas1501]

The Sum of All Stargates.

[@Bearmauls]

always confused me how the al'kesh didn't blow up immediately. The Prometheus wasn't packing the same heat the 304's did (even pre beam-weapons), but an Al'kesh is unshielded. We've seen death gliders take them down, and the Prometheus is supposed to pack heavy railguns and naquadah-enhanced nukes. That thing should go up like a firecracker

[@Rezinstance]

Yes, but you're ignoring the dramatic element of.................................... suspense.

[@icer1249]

Yes and no, the alkesh strength has always been dependant on the plot. The first time we see one it's unshielded but tough (survives a direct hit from a hatak aswell as several death glider cannons Before going down) later it becomes sheilded but only as the plot needs (like continuum). In this episode it appears sheilded given it took quiet a few hits before being destroyed. The only consistent then with the alkesh was it's poor weapon placement and it's cloak

[@thomas.parnell7365]

@@Rezinstance that and fireing enhanced nukes in near earth orbit might be detectable by non Stargate command read in nations who might assume the worst.

[@halo-cn3ku]

Also I believe Osiris’ Al’kesh had shields on it.

[@redfive2008]

@@halo-cn3ku She worked for Anubis, and he really liked shields.

[@mitche5007]

Amazing set design and technical detail, script, acting etc., I miss SG :)

[@flashlightfreek]

Great show Need to rewatch it sometime

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

Kinsey got exactly what he had coming!

[@Camman010]

The funny thing is that I know Garry Chalk and actually read lines with him for Stargate.

[@Ragitsu]

Cool!

[@TheRealTerranMarine]

I can totally hear Optimus Primal but russian when he speaks. Thats wild

[@robwilliams6753]

oh but of course you do! *slaps own knee jovially*

[@halo-cn3ku]

I always loved this episode, cuz I have watched so many films about nuclear war. Makes me wonder what was being shown to the public about the potential conflict brewing between US and Russia.

[@Ragitsu]

1:25 When Jennings says "We were merely...", he sounds so much like The Many from _System Shock 2_ .

[@RustBunny]

Imagine if the Annelids were Goa'uld instead.

[@Ragitsu]

@@RustBunny Worms and snakes/eels? Close enough.

[@jimtaylor294]

A System Shock 2 fan... *a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one* .

[@Ragitsu]

@@jimtaylor294 More like an enthusiastic spectator :-P.

[@blackterminal]

A great show

[@JettMann8]

The best

[@walkoff2]

The Prometheus’ weapons officer played Helen Smith in Man in the High Castle.

[@Ragitsu]

Neat!

[@kirishima638]

She did not age well...

[@Ragitsu]

@@kirishima638 Uh oh.

[@bigpoppa1234]

Has "Nazi Milf" ever been a good look on anyone?

[@wattihrvolt-pn3pf]

Ah Stargate, spaceships and fax machines.

[@Everything28208]

I didn't think of this at the I was watching the series but, imagine if it was putin on the line 😅😅😅😂

[@benitier254]

using the fax as high peak technology to send urgent information xD ah yes, ye gud olde tymes xD

[@user-jt5vm3mi1w]

A single laser pointer, well-targeted, could blind the Captain through the window

[@Ragitsu]

Doesn't that violate some federal aviation law(s)?

[@Experiment632]

Alternate ending is obvious - a very despaired Walter announces multiple confirmed missile launches. Then we have two scenarios one northern hemisphere is destroyed the Goa'uld occupy southern hemisphere OR two we have an Amerika Remake with the Russians ruling the world with the Goa'uld running things from behind the scenes.

[@hemmojito]

phew....

[@mbalcik1811]

it is just show i know but still,when oneill want call washington and then they said :the silos are closing and the Russian bombers turn around and return to base, I always have that weird feeling like escaping death....

[@Ragitsu]

10k+ views in a little over a week? Why did this video (seemingly randomly) blow up?

[@CaptainAwsome]

stargate

[@Ragitsu]

@@CaptainAwsome Still, this clip in particular?

[@CaptainAwsome]

@@Ragitsu that's just KZbin

[@drockjr]

10k views isn't much bud. A lot of Stargate fans. Know your audience

[@HFFCANADA]

Watching videos hearing people talk the old Soviet Russia seemed to be somewhat of a solid entity with patriotism and respect for other nations like the US. It als had to do with the Prussian heritage of duty and honors most adhered to. Unfortunately when the extreme leaders like Stalin came to power they killed alot of the old gaurd/officers and destroyed alot of Prussian cultural items and locations trying to erase that history. Not alot of people know how much the Russians have been fighting to keep it a sane country for. Too bad Putin made that virtually impossible and brainwashed millions of their independence

[@yevgenekisourreyes8652]

Gotta be a season 11 to 15 of Stargate sg1

[@Bushcraft-xz6xd]

These shows were made before woke was a thing and ruined everything. They had diverse casts, great storylines and broached difficult subjects fairly. If they were made now they would very likely be trash. I do wish we got a few more seasons of SG1, Atlantis and Universe at the time but if i'm honest SG1 was becoming a bit same old same old by season 10. The other two shows still had legs tho. Maybe a plot line with the mighty Furlings could have been fun?

[@Ragitsu]

@@Bushcraft-xz6xd "woke"

[@kenp7814]

Based on true events from "Operation Solar Warden"

[@zacharysheetz3701]

Back then we hoped we would one day be friends with our rival. Now it's June 2022. WW3 looks so close at this moment. 😢

[@Ragitsu]

It could still happen, post-WW3 or otherwise.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

If Putin is gone, that's a big possibility, Russians are decent people, not Putin...

[@Ragitsu]

@@MihzvolWuriar The cultural homophobia isn't so nice, however.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

@@Ragitsu That's leftovers from communism, as is Putin, with that MOFO gone, that part will fade out faster. BTW, I have a lot of millennials Russian friends, none of them are homophobic, but maybe that's my "niche" of friends though.

[@Ragitsu]

@@MihzvolWuriar You mean the encouragement of "tradition" that he fosters?

[@elisaeclercy1086]

what is the season and episode

[@Ragitsu]

Season 8, Episode 14 - "Full Alert".

[@raven4k998]

@@Ragitsu I guess he can't read as it does say seaon 8 in the title muhahahahahahahahahaha

[@magatrone100]

In…. In… In… In.. In… Indeed.

[@ilmistico90]

We need a spin-off with the return of Senator Kinsey, maybe it turns out he was a tok'ra all this time. I wouldn't mind seeing him leading some secret stargate expedition or project. Just to see a more cynical side of the stargate, because the senator wasn't really bad after all.

[@tomgl6684]

What?! He was written as a pompous politician you love to hate. Name one redeeming quality of his character.

[@ilmistico90]

@@tomgl6684 He was smart and defended his nation in his own way. The characters must be seen from many sides, not just from the side of the protagonists.

[@tomgl6684]

@@ilmistico90 Defended his nation? The entire point of Kinsey's character arc was that he only cared about Kinsey - and that his outward pretence of patriotism was just for the cameras. O'Neil on Kinsey: "You're a piece of work, Kinsey. Try to shut down the SGC, you make this big speech about how much you hate secret organisations and then you jump in bed with the NID. What is that?" The President on Kinsey: "I've got enough on you to have you shot." Kinsey on Kinsey: "Given the chance half of all American citizens won't even vote and the half that do vote are too stupid to know what they're doing." He's not a good guy, dude. He's not even an antihero.

[@ilmistico90]

​@@tomgl6684 Superficial criticism, but Kinsey is right on the votes and wins on Jack's accusation, before having a symbiote he was trying to destroy the trust organization. Then let's face it the whole sg1 team is a facade, they are bigots, they do not understand that they are used by the US government to obtain alien technology for their benefit while hiding information from the population that pays for the project without the possibility to vote on how to use the stargate and assign the recovered technology. Only in the last few seasons have other countries managed to get some technology and the use of the stargate. Kinsey is the expert politician, who plays outside the rules, wants technology but at the same time knows that it is a danger that affects the balance of forces within the planet. Much like Maybourne but a little less selfish and more patriotic, he plays at a higher level. He plays the bad guy but actually keeps them at bay.

[@tomgl6684]

@@ilmistico90 The Trust?! Mate, you and I could debate whether his motive in attacking them was genuine public interest or, as O'Neill posits, motivated by revenge after they tried to *assassinate him* (hint: it's definitely the latter). But why does the Trust even exist? If I recall, it was the offshoot consisting of the remnants of the NID and the business interests that wanted to acquire alien technology for profit first, national security second. Who was the politician that got into bed with the business interests that put profit before national security? Oh yeah, it was Kinsey. Tell me again how he's a patriot and the SG teams are bigots? Also if you're defending a character who's presented as a villain - albeit a farcical, political one rather than a physical threat - and who says that people are too stupid to vote properly, it's over. You've lost. There is no point to argue any more.

[@thomasf.9717]

A reasonable Russian president, now that is Science Fiction.

[@Ragitsu]

No.

[@jimtaylor294]

Depends upon what one defines as reasonable. Even Soviet era Premiers had the sense to de-esculate when a shooting war with the US looked imminent.

[@Everything28208]

3:06 I hate that sound 😅 how come no one is bothered by it?

[@tedf1471]

With all the paranoia / fear of the Soviet Union and now Russia, it's suprising to realise that the GDP of Russia is smaller than Italy.

[@Ragitsu]

This bickering is pointless. We ought to be exploring the vast expanse of stars.

[@christopherg2347]

Russia is place 6. Italy is place 13. And has fewer Nuclear weapons.

[@tomgl6684]

@@christopherg2347 IMF 2021 estimates place Italy 8th, Russia 11th, so Italy's ahead at least in terms of GDP. Latest official World Bank figures are Italy 9th, Russia 11th. I suspect where they sit in the nuclear stockpile ranking is a different story...

[@christopherg2347]

@@tomgl6684 2021? In the middle if a pandemic? I look at somewhat older figures for reliable data.

[@tomgl6684]

@@christopherg2347 Italy was one of the worst hit countries by the pandemic, dude. Any covid impact on GDP is only going to hurt their position, not help it. (Also, FWIW, the 2019 figures still put Italy at 8th and Russia at 11th.)

[@GregTheReaper]

This aged well lol, I wonder if they'd still have Russian's in the stargate programme now.

[@Ragitsu]

Yes.

[@GregTheReaper]

@@Ragitsu Obviously they're not gonna write real world events into a show but the networks might not like the writers giving Russian's any sort of prominance.

[@Ragitsu]

@@GregTheReaper That would be silly.

[@GregTheReaper]

@@Ragitsu It would, you and I know it's just a show to escape reality for a bit but the networks often can't separate fiction from reality. Do I need to bring up Startrek Discovery, Naomi or Batwoman as examples of how stupid these people can be sometimes? xD

[@wellendowedplatypus9024]

It's kind of irrelevant because a modern Stargate show would probably be nothing like the one we remember.

[@hedgeowlinvest7902]

Didn’t age well

[@Ragitsu]

?

[@stephenfryer3857]

Kensey reminds me of trump 🤪

[@ScorpiusZA.]

Kinsey is certainly as hateable as the orange one, but I would never insult Kinsey by equating the two.

[@raifthemad]

@@ScorpiusZA. TDS is stronk in your tribe.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

I would say he's more like Biden, but kinsey is smart AF, and we all know that isn't a thing for Biden

[@TheFrog767]

Before woke destruction came.

[@Ragitsu]

Stuff it.