Tecnam Displays P2012 Traveller At NBAA-BACE

[@LM-47]

This plane is going to be an absolute game changer for more than just operators like Cape Air

[@socomon69]

Be curious to hear how the numbers compare against something like a Caravan or Kodiak.

[@Ichibuns]

@@socomon69 The operators are choosing twins over singles because engine failures. Its better for insurance and passenger comfort to have a twin engine fleet. Other than that, the Kodiak will out perform this Tecnam and the Grand Caravan if you break it down into operating costs.

[@socomon69]

@@Ichibuns . . . But the failure rate of a pt6 versus a (what is the tecnam a diesel?) and the single engine performance?

[@Ichibuns]

@@socomon69 Its not the fact of the reliability or single engine performance. It's that if an engine is lost, the Tecnam can still fly.

[@socomon69]

@@Ichibuns that's in part what I was getting at. My impression had been that piston twins had a higher fatality rate after losing an engine than singles and turbines had a lower failure rate than piston engines (much fewer moving parts, etc.)

[@BoB4jjjjs]

That looks an interesting concept. You didn't mention (or maybe I missed it) the distance it needs to take off and land fully loaded and the maximum payload. Nice you thought of the passengers comfort. Most just want to squeeze in as many as they can.

[@schillaci5590]

Looks great. Well done for the customer tailored approach. Looking forward to some in-flight videos!

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

Italian fantasies. That is a stupid airplane to fly..

[@Maloy7800]

@@feetgoaroundfullflapsC Someone is aaaaaaaangry. What do you fly? An American flag?

[@82hawkerpilot]

Beautiful piece of engineering and a pilots airplane. Congrats. 👍🏽

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

REally?? Show me an engine failure from 100 agl on take off -full gross on that pig. Like to see that

[@82hawkerpilot]

5feetgoaround fullflapsC150 / This airplane is FAA certified, this means it was demonstrated than all the numbers published in its AFM and with a properly trained pilot at the controls the airplane should perform as published.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@82hawkerpilot How do you know all that is true?? I would like to see a video proving those points for real. I had 2 engine fails on take off on piston twins. 100 feet agl, and another at 300 agl. at 80 90 farenheit.. None performed to factory levels. Barelly made it back with tricks i know because i practiced those emergencies every few weeks. None were at full gross but at around 80%. its all BS..

[@PicklePilot]

Ha! The guy said “not the most seasoned pilots” will be flying it. Definitely not a video for the passengers to see lol

[@gregoriodelgado9457]

@kabfighter Yeah but the viewers dont know that, and the passengers dont either. So this PR guy from tecnam blew it.

[@marksmith2738]

@@gregoriodelgado9457 Agreed. He needs to scrub that from his vocabulary and come up with a better explanation for "out of limits" protection like "less workload for the pilots, increased engine protection and added safety for the passengers". In marketing you should always emphasise the benefits, not the risks.

[@lefthandedhardright8839]

200k for the motors 100k for the props 100k for the avionics 2.1 million for the airframe. It'll be fine.

[@hdaviator9181]

Airframe doesn't cost that much. They are trying to pay off cost of development and certification.

[@feetgoaroundfullflapsC]

@@hdaviator9181 - Or for the label that says "Made In Italy".. like a prone to break down Italian made car. Now way Guido!!

[@TRPGpilot]

@@feetgoaroundfullflapsC You are not particularly intelligent are you? Is that genetic or did you just learn 'stupid' from your parents?

[@jjthomas2297]

@@feetgoaroundfullflapsC Let me guess..Trump guy?

[@akarandompilot]

You forgot they traded pilot viz for fine Italian leather and fancy stitching 🤦‍♂️

[@ch64621]

Nice aircraft. This would be great for short haul island hopping flights here in Vanuatu 🇻🇺🇻🇺🇻🇺🇻🇺🇻🇺🇻🇺🇻🇺

[@Bravo21]

Dunno why but I would love to see a version of this with a modernized ' Westfalia' type interior, short field mods and a bit more range. A four to six passenger, Air-Camper' version would be awesome.

[@marcog.9530]

Fantastic...

[@Maloy7800]

Can I have another one for the other foot?

[@travist7777]

Cool, and good for Cape Air! I'm sure, if you can suffer a critical engine failure and not die, in a 402, then you can do the same in this. Question for anybody who has flow a FADEC piston: do you have to stage-cool this? Is FADEC real just like an automatic mixture set-up? How long until they offer a PT-6-powered version?

[@davidedmundson8402]

Is the orange-peel paint job optional?

[@davejohnson8960]

F-ING COOL AS SH*T!!!!!

[@saratogapilot6100]

Only eight years in development and a low price for a mission-tailored aircraft. This is a great accomplishment. However, even at sea level, this thing is way underpowered in my experience as an owner of an aircraft with an IO-540 engine that weighs only half as much as this one.

[@blegi1245]

Saratoga Pilot it has two turbocharged 375 horsepower engines. What would be sufficient in your opinion?

[@L123Alpha]

Cape Air is the worlds largest operator of Cessna 402s. They know a little bit about flying piston twins.

[@Bartonovich52]

Dump your Saratoga and get a Cherokee 6. Ran cargo in one and would never describe it as underpowered even when loaded to the gills.

[@saratogapilot6100]

@@blegi1245 Ooops. I missed the turbocharged part. My problem is my home field is at 5,100 ft. Climb rate sucks. Thanks.

[@jjthomas2297]

Wait a minute..8 years to develop a small piston twin? Where do you get your engineers? 'Need to light a fire under them..

[@carrellblack1014]

I own a Grumman AA-5 Traveler but there’s only one “l”. And why not PT6 power plants?

[@dryan8377]

$$$, plus, no type rating required for this plane.

[@Justwantahover]

Would a Pilatus RC-12-NGX Single engine turbine plane cost any more that 2.5 mill?

[@niio111]

The NGX is $5m.

[@argekay1960]

I’ve heard Cape Air has been having all kinds of maintenance issues with this aircraft. Why would you buy something from a country that builds the Fiat? Italy always has quality control issues.

[@gregoriodelgado9457]

So basically this guy is saying that Cape Air Pilots aren't good or seasoned! Thanks . I mean, is this guy even a pilot himself? Because as a PR/Salesman, he aint doing a very good job.

[@pongokamerat8601]

Exactly my thoughts as well!

[@Maloy7800]

Is it pressurized?

[@dryan8377]

no

[@la_old_salt2241]

Doesn't need to be, they don't fly that high on short hops.

[@patlevv7382]

@@la_old_salt2241 or fast

[@walterjohnson5552]

Soooo....with a full load of pax and luggage, will this thing fly if you lose an engine at V1?

[@tforest9841]

Good question I doubt it tho haha

[@rv7ator]

Walter Johnson it’s disappointing because this is yet another terribly underpowered twin. With a gross weight of 8069 lb and one engine out, the power loading is quite poor at 21.5 lb/hp. That is not much better than a Piper Seneca. They advertise 160 ft/min climb on their website which sounds about right, and it’s about all you’re going to get with that kind of power to weight ratio.

[@walterjohnson5552]

@@rv7ator thanks for the info. bottom line is this thing is just as dangerous engine-out as most other any other light twin...booooo....

[@ictpilot]

Yes it will. But like all smaller piston twins single engine performance isn't great.

[@Bartonovich52]

No guarantees. It doesn’t have to meet net takeoff flight path or segmented climb performance or balanced field requirements. The second engine is there to make people who don’t know any better feel warm and fuzzy. One PT6 is a safer solution.

[@ColtonRDean]

Has this plane been used for medical transportation?

[@gasfiltered]

The two you saw in the clip are the only two in the country. The plane was only certified in the last two months and the first 100 are already promised to Cape Air at a production rate of 5ish/month. No one will besides Cape will use them for anything for several years.

[@formattable1]

Actually it was also designed for med Tran and cargo. They can be adapted to cargo from passenger by 2 people in 20 minutes.

[@martylee5299]

Fully e-planes. Rechargeable battery fast charge for aviation application is a very long way away. Got to make the batteries smaller. Got to charge batteries faster. Years away for aviation In my opinion. With this in mind. Why wait! Batteries we have today are good enough, if we switch em out. I really like the switch out rechargeable battery concept for aviation. Low hanging fruit = Flying schools and fun flying. High hanging fruit = short haul commercial routes. Switching out the battery pack efficiently and reliably is the trick!!! Engineers will be lining up to get this done. Easy!

[@chris22capt]

Tecnam P-Volt on the way based on this P-2012, with the very same concept as you mentioned..

[@Windtee]

Get ready to work!

[@slavasandsglam]

3,5 millions is little bit expensive....

[@ictpilot]

2.25 million.

[@jeanpierregenit3255]

Still way too expensive for piston powered engines

[@ictpilot]

@@jeanpierregenit3255 Might not be for that category depending on the market an operating costs.

[@TRPGpilot]

C`est une bonne chose.

[@pongokamerat8601]

1:19 FADEC is not there so you can have incompetent pilots in the cockpit. Who gave you that idea.....? Do airplanes have fly-by-wire for the same reason? Come on!

[@rob379lqz]

Cool. What are those tiny little white bumps all over the airplane body? I saw a Cirrous plane and no little bumps.

[@web1234dash]

Rivets. All aluminium aircraft have them. Cirri don't have rivets because they are composite.

[@thesteammachine1282]

@@web1234dash Which type is superior as airframe life ?

[@christophermoreira6198]

Please mention speeds in miles per hour, the average person watching this probably doesn't have a frame of reference for nautical miles.

[@alh4899]

Christopher Moreira just multiply knots by 1.151.

[@christophermoreira6198]

@@alh4899 I think we're missing the point of my comment. The average person won't know about the multiplication and shouldn't have to convert knots to miles per hour anyway. Most people are not aeronautical/sea persons with that sort of knowledge.

[@Xanthrochroid]

Christopher Moreira If someone with a supposed interest in aviation is too lazy to figure that out on his own, well, then maybe flying is not for him.

[@christophermoreira6198]

MALL it isnt about wanting to fly. It's about consumers like me who heard about the purchase of this plane for a nearby airport and was interested in it. Buttface assuming smarty.

[@Xanthrochroid]

Christopher Moreira , wow, childish ad homina; you really make a strong case.

[@occasionalenthusiastrobjon5066]

This is a crowded market with manufactures offering better value for money?

[@BoB4jjjjs]

Maybe, but it is a nice aircraft and may even appeal to those wanting short flight private aircraft. It is a little on the expensive side, but given the choice, would you rather pay $5 more for your ticket to have this comfort?

[@bigc208]

Crowded market? Nobody else builts a 9 passenger + 2 pilots piston twin. They have the whole market for themselves! This aircraft is going to be a giant hit.

[@Bartonovich52]

There’s a reason nobody builds a 9 seat piston twin. The market disappeared in the 1980s. Yeah, if they could make it for $125,000 with 10,000 hours on the clock and the paint oxidized and faded it would be a hit. Cape Air is only one customer... and a very odd one considering 4xx Cessnas in commercial service are becoming like the dodo. .

[@BrianOgilvie79]

Thanks for the advertisement from technam.......3 min of my life i will never get back

[@davejohnson8960]

So...you don't like airplanes?

[@Ichibuns]

They never said they were reviewing it. Just showing what they saw. RELAX

[@BoB4jjjjs]

You didn't have to watch it. The adverts on KZbin are more annoying!!!

[@BoB4jjjjs]

Brian, go take a chill pill lol.

[@nowayoutstp4]

Lol still interesting AV news, however you won’t see me flying it. I like flying the PC-12, and KA200, give me a PT-6 please. And where’s my fadec?

[@nowayoutstp4]

Not impressed, needs Fadec PT-6 BADLY! Twin otter maybe? Give pilots what they want or admire your new airplane from the ramp because you don’t have pilots to fly it.

[@bigc208]

You madd? A Twin-Otter is complete overkill for Cape Air. Almost three times as expensive and a bit slower also.

[@nowayoutstp4]

@@bigc208 Kinda, just speaking up for the other pilots lol I've got 1500 hrs in 300/400 twin piston Cessnas, 650 in the PC-12, and about the same in the BE-200. Cape Scare flies out of all the same airports I do and I hate that these guys are low and slow in the cold with a piston airplane that only starts above 0. Seriously, been there done that and it's not super fun.

[@Bartonovich52]

Lol. We run pistons up in Canada at -40 or colder. 0F “cold”. ROTFLMFAO.

[@gersonpriante4031]

Ideal npara operar no Brasil jsvtem representante no Brasil

[@LC-jy8mj]

One word Embraer

[@Ozgrade3]

This aircraft must really irk Americans. For all my 30 year career as a GA pilot I was told "No one will ever design another piston twin", not Cessna, not Beechcraft, not Piper. Then along comes a little company from a 2bit company from the ass end of Europe and does precisely what the US giants of GA said couldn't be done. It surely must be a wake-up call to US industry.

[@patrickwarren264]

Totally agree. The Baron and Seneca are well past their prime. No amount of avionics updates can make them into competitive modern aircraft.

[@ictpilot]

@@patrickwarren264 They're good aircraft, but for this business model they just don't carry enough people.

[@bigc208]

Nobody said it couldn’t be done. They were just not willing to do it. The profit margins on turboprops and corporate jets are larger so that’s where they put their developement recources. Also, in the US, they’re a bit slow when it comes to designing new aircraft. Don’t fix it until it’s broke. PC12 is a good example. It took 30 years before Textron woke up and designed a competitor for the PC12. Kudos for Tecnam picking up the ball and running with it. Cape Air is a happy customer because the aircraft is custom designed for their needs. That’s pretty extraordinary for such a small airline.

[@ictpilot]

@@bigc208 Somebody told Ozgrade3 that. And I believe the Caravan was out before the PC12. But I'd have to check.

[@bigc208]

Yep, Caravan came out in 87 or 88. The PC12 was early nineties. Can’t compare the Van to the TBM or PC12 though, different horse. PT6 and that’s where it ends. The US was first with the Single Engine turboprop Van but dropped the ball after that. There should’ve been an American PC12 and TBM competitor within ten years of the Swiss and French showing there was a market for a single engine King Air 90 and 200. The Piper M600 is getting close to the TBM but that’s thirty years after the 700 showed up.

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

Worthless. 140-160 knots? Might as well have a caravan

[@superchargedpetrolhead]

yeah, with three to four times more maintenance cost...

[@scottbravo3]

Not to mention the aircraft is extremely underpowered, like almost scary underpowered. Their products are honestly slow junk

[@beardedbarnstormer9577]

@@scottbravo3 Tecnam's or the Caravan?

[@danielwalton4563]

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[@lsx001]

She speaks very forcibly, trying to hold back a laugh or something.

[@Bonanzadrivin64]

Shaoxuan Li Kate knows more about airplanes than you forgot! And she’s having fun while doing it!

[@ElohimElite]

probably the biggest piece of crap i ever seen in 2019. good luck selling this garbage for 2.5mil

[@patlevv7382]

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