Bible Bombs

If there is any consistency in how Bible translations handle the Greek and Hebrew words behind our English word Hell, it is their inconsistency.
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[@augustosantiago6769]

What an excellent gift he left us with all these great videos! Thank you Gary, when I found all your amazing videos, you were not longer here...r.i.p.

[@calcobb442]

RIP Gary and Michelle.

[@thesaviorofALL]

Thnks for all your work gary r.i.p huge inspiration for all ...🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤

[@guezerahdecree]

Very enCouraging in JesusLoveTruth, Brother. thank you for Sharing this!!!! (you & your wife are in my daily prayers too)

[@davidwilliams504]

F W Farrar pointed out 150 years ago in his seminal work, Mercy & Judgment, that Christ's example of transliterating the Hebrew 'valley of Hinnom' (gey hinnom) into the Greek 'Gehenna' was done for a very important reason: so his listeners (all Jewish, by the way) would have no misunderstanding of what he was referring to - the judgment of God. By it's outrageous (mis)translation (interpretation, really), 'damnation of hell,' of the same phrase, the AV helped conveyed and reinforced a hideous tradition that has polluted Christian minds to this day. Learning the true meaning (etymology) of Scriptural terms is vital to restoring an accurate understanding of Scripture and God's purpose with humanity. Furthermore, it is a profoundly liberating experience (as I discovered several decades ago). Great Stuff and thank you for your efforts!

[@SticksNkicks]

I can't seem to turn my back on a hell believer but the feeling isn't mutual.

[@aaronvaughn7977]

I'm glad Tentmaker gives this perspective that doesn't involve a loving God burning people forever.

[@aaronvaughn7977]

And sheds light on the pagan origins of many traditions.

[@zachariah7114]

Cyber Disciple so in your estimation, God should forgive you of your sins but not all people? It’s good to take a step back and think about why we’d take issue if God did have a plan which could save all mankind... why exactly would that be bad? Are we being prideful or looking down on those that haven’t accepted Christ, or harboring secret ill-will? This reminds me of one of Jesus’ parables: “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place; and to those he said, 'You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.' And so they went. Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did the same thing. And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing around; and he said to them, 'Why have you been standing here idle all day long?' They said to him, 'Because no one hired us.' He said to them, 'You go into the vineyard too.' "When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, 'Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last group to the first.' When those hired about the eleventh hour came, each one received a denarius. When those hired first came, they thought that they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius. When they received it, they grumbled at the landowner, saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the scorching heat of the day.' But he answered and said to one of them, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius? Take what is yours and go, but I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with what is my own? Or is your eye envious because I am generous?' So the last shall be first, and the first last."” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭20:1-16‬ ‭NASB‬‬

[@bradensmith5969]

@Iron Ship Hell does not exist

[@alanwalker4579]

excellent presentation, thank you.

[@bradensmith5969]

I love Gary.

[@Okieshowedem]

May Father YAHweh bless your understanding and show you His Resurrected Son YAHwehShua. Praise Father YAHweh Hallelu-YAHwehShua.

[@carriewood5278]

I spoke to a theologian, a man who revises bibles and he said they will not heed my warnings.

[@mariaomega8452]

Bible bombs. Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.(Proverbs 30:5-6). Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you.(Deuteronomy 4:2). Thank you God, JC, tentmaker777 all GBU:)

[@ConstantCompanion]

The Bible talks a number of times about how The Dead Know Nothing. They are in such a deep sleep that they are completely unaware of their surroundings or any events that might occur. They are dead. I had a thought not long after I came into understanding that this is the truth, the only truth. The Bible talks about Witnesses in the streets that are hated so much that people trample them for 3 days. I always wondered what they could have said that would be so terrible that people would be more than happy in the name of God to trample them. I think I know now. The answer that question, I think is, that there is no hell.

[@davidford15]

"The Bible talks a number of times about how The Dead Know Nothing" Do you think "The Dead Know Nothing"? Luke 16 (NKJV) www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16&version=NKJV 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’

[@bradensmith5969]

@@davidford15 That is a parable, not a true story.

[@Donna-vh5ym]

Gary, do you believe in a separation from God if u die not "walking the walk".?? I spoke to you briefly after my son was murdered at 20 years old last June 15th. I wouldn't even want an everlasting punishment for the ones that took my son from me...just cruel. If someone told me for certain that the God that I worship throws people in a burning hell...I wouldn't worship him.

[@danielbowden5802]

There are christian universalists who don't believe in any post mortem discomfort and there are some who believe that there is mortem refinement that is probably not a fun experience but intended for our own good(rather than vengeance or some strange idea about justice). We all deny eternal punishment.

[@danielbowden5802]

I don't know what Gary believes. I know he is a christian universalist. I think Gary probably believes that God will refine us in a loving/fatherly way.

[@jeffburrows2081]

1 Corinthians 13:7and 8>>>>>you have to have Spiritual eyes to see...I speak in Tongues and interpret>>>>14 years.....I've been converted 18 years....I've also been excommunicated 10 years, for speaking against Jezebel...So that changes everything for me......."Believe all things" interprets in Tongues Salvation is predestined......which means You don't have to believe in Jesus to be saved.....it also means it is a work of God.....no man can orchestrate Salvation......so unless you willingly speak against the Miracles of God OR say an unknown Tongue is of the Devil......you have Jacob in your Heart....yeah I said Jacob....not Jesus....because the Spirit say's "Ba Ba Ba" which means Jacob in Tongues. I hope that helps

[@TIMMY12181]

Still waiting on kjv errors.

[@bjhart9681]

you dont worship Him now because you dont know Him-please be born again

[@CupofCloud]

I love you Gary. You're a brilliant and inspiring brother in Christ. I feel that your focus on the frequency of the word hell appearing in different translations isn't getting to the heart of the matter and could possibly cause doubt and division to new believers thirsty for God's word in scriptures. I understand the purpose of demonstrating that newer translations tend to use hell less frequently than older reformation-era translations can be used to make people think 'why is this?' Great, that's fine but that may be best to touch on lightly instead of making that the meat and potatos of your point. I enjoy your articles and videos, and the tentmaker forum is a great blessing for me, but I've noticed that many times you focus too much on the word hell and the frequency the word is employed in various translations. It may be best to focus on sharing what you explain later in the video of what the words in Hebrew and Greek are and how-even though they're different words with different meaning/connotations-are translated to one word, which is hell, and just as important, the words that have been translated as eternity when it's obvious that in the source manuscripts that it's only for an age or finite period of time. I'm thankful that I came across your work and others like Gerry Beauchemin and Peter Hiett on the Web. What helped clear things up for me was knowing the meanings of the words that were translated to hell and eternity. And once I knew that, the issue of which translation and how many times the word hell is employed didn't make much of a difference. I believe in the same one true Gospel that you believe in, and I read my King James Bible (with a whopping 54 instances of hell) and I still know I'm reading God's word through scripture and understanding it as Holy Spirit teaches me. I realize that the whatever the word is that has been translated to hell is probably just as unfortunate place or state as the modern concept of hell. Gehena Shoel Hades etc will not be my destination in Jesus Christ. They imply separation, which may as well be hell as I know it. Having the knowledge of the words that are translated as hell and eternity/eternal should be enough to redefine the words used to translate them. Anyone with this knowledge and thirsty for reading God's word, should be able to pick up any popular translation and not be worried if it has been corrupted by a eternal hell boogeymen who was on the translation committee. May God continue to bless you and your ministry. Peace.

[@tentmaker777]

Hey, cup of cloud, I appreciate your insights and taking the time to give me your thoughts. waves of grace to you.

[@Donna-vh5ym]

cupofcloud....as for me...it was extremely important to know that the King James version... RRC... was mistranslated... But Gary is saying is that in the beginning the copying of the copies of scriptures... I say that because we've never had the original. he saying that when it first started out being translated hell was not this Everlasting eternity in fire... Now let me tell you why that's extremely important to me. I was always raised with it being just black and white.. You either go to heaven or you go to hell. my son was killed last year at 20 years old while changing a flat tire. He was shot in the head. you always want to know that your kids are okay. My son Jacob was not perfect by any means... I know that he had a longtime girlfriend that he was sleeping with. therefore, me knowing that he is not in a Everlasting burning hell is Beyond any words I can express. I cannot express my thanks enough 2 Gary... it's child abuse... So keep on Gary. everyone needs to know why the church put a burn in hell for eternity in there and it was for control purposes. I want you to keep on explaining to us about hell.... because still don't know the truth. thank you Gary

[@Donna-vh5ym]

+Donna Bowman sorry for the last line being wrong but I was texting too fast... LOL... What I meant was... Gary, I want you to keep on talking about the mistranslations of hell because some people still don't know the truth. so keep on being Gary and sharing these great videos. Thank you

[@Michael-nc9cp]

aeanos.(forever in greek).. is an age... how can it be forever and ever isnt forever long enough, why does it need another ever? my research too has led me to believe hell isnt what we got told, also jesus was a nazarene, they never ate meat, and reading the bible made me quit meat... cos before i even researched into it, just by reading the bible, i got the feeling jesus would have never hurt anything at all... and i know he practised what he preached...isaiah said behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD... Jesus himself said his disciples were not trustworthy, he called one a devil... one betrayed him, another denied him three times... he still chose them.. so... hell is not the only translation error... have ye any meat (which sounded suspicious to me anyway.. if ur hungry, you ask for food, or a meal... why meat?) anyway... seed planted, please look further into it

[@Michael-nc9cp]

aeanos.(forever in greek).. is an age... how can it be forever and ever isnt forever long enough, why does it need another ever? my research too has led me to believe hell isnt what we got told, also jesus was a nazarene, they never ate meat, and reading the bible made me quit meat... cos before i even researched into it, just by reading the bible, i got the feeling jesus would have never hurt anything at all... and i know he practised what he preached...isaiah said behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD... Jesus himself said his disciples were not trustworthy, he called one a devil... one betrayed him, another denied him three times... he still chose them.. so... hell is not the only translation error... have ye any meat (which sounded suspicious to me anyway.. if ur hungry, you ask for food, or a meal... why meat?) anyway... seed planted, please look further into it

[@thewordofgod2010]

He is correct the word "hell" is not in the original language, typically in the Greek it's the word "Hades" which just means the abode of the dead in Greek and was the closest analog to the Hebrew "Sheol". The word "church" is a Saxon word "circe, or circ, or cyric." In Rome a "circus" was where people gathered together to watch the games or for any purpose good or bad. Merely means gathering place, so I don't see anything nefarious going there.

[@7_red24]

That black bird in your pocket is weird and scary.

[@anthonybardsley4985]

It doesn't say what fruit. It was.

[@yogman7630]

Dear Gary, thank you very much for this message!!! Do you have any hints of german bibles without hell and eternal damnation?

[@marcob7771]

Yog Man if you find one can you please text me what the name of that Bible, Thanks

[@robertatavola3070]

Exactly

[@GoldAndSilver988]

An even bigger myth than the traditional concept of hell is the tradition of a literal devil & demons, the residents of the supposed hell. Other huge myths include the pre-existence, deity, and dual nature of Jesus; the concept of Original Sin and the inborn depravity of man; the immortality of the soul, etc. The list goes on. Exposing the myth of the traditional hell is a good start.

[@AC14xSkateOrDie]

Terry Gray can you explain more about this myth (of a literal devil and demons)? The thought gets to me sometimes and I’d love clarification!

[@GoldAndSilver988]

@@AC14xSkateOrDie It's a huge subject that can't be properly addressed on these type of forums. I would suggest you read two books written over two hundred years ago, both of which go into incredible depth about these things. If you want to at least look them up on Amazon, their ISBN numbers are 117044802X & 1140510991. The case for rejecting the literal existence of demons is made much stronger than the case for the one being called the Devil, but it seems to me that the existence of all three (a devil, a multitude of demons, and a literal hell) all stand or fall together.

[@AC14xSkateOrDie]

Terry Gray I will definitely give them a look. Just curious, but how would you explain passages such as Mark 5 where it speaks of demons and them being cast out?

[@GoldAndSilver988]

@@AC14xSkateOrDie I'll type out two statements here to whet your appetite, but I fear they'll be insufficient because of their brevity and so may perhaps discourage you from looking into the sources I mentioned. The footnotes are from the 1808 "The New Testament In An Improved Version," edited largely by Thomas Belsham. The first note regards Matthew 4:24 and "those who had demons." Note: "Insane and epileptic persons were supposed to be possessed by demons, or the ghosts of wicked men, who were thought to have the power of entering into the bodies of living men and of tormenting them at pleasure. And the cure of these diseases is described as the casting out of the demons. The account which the gospel reveals of the state of the dead is so inconsistent with this hypothesis that it was soon exploded among Christians. But, that lunatics and epileptics were possessed by devils, or fallen angels, though it is an opinion which prevailed early, is nowhere asserted or even hinted at in the New Testament, and is totally destitute of foundation both in reason and revelation." The second note regards the case you mentioned in Mark 5: "This man was raving mad and imagined himself possessed by a legion of demons, whose organ he was compelled to be. When healed, he is said, v.15, to be in his right mind, which implies that his disorder was insanity." These two notes are hardly proof in isolation. However, after studying the entire historical, cultural, and sociological background of how these things developed and how this entire situation and background existed at the time and place of Jesus, it becomes quite clear--and very refreshing and inspiring--to see just how great a superstition the orthodox position is.

[@TheAlien101]

@@AC14xSkateOrDie Let's start with Lucifer *Isaiah* 14:12 : “How art thou fallen from heaven, *O Lucifer, son of the morning* ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” This passage was directed to the king of Tyre who had been in the eyes of God as perfect as the *Morning Star* before he let vanity corrupt him. In isaiah we see the word morning star twice back to back as *lucifer* and son of *morning star*. Which just goes to show lucifer is not a name or a title it is a latin word translated from the Hebrew *halel* . It was a reference to Venus but also in ancient times kings were identified as *Morning Stars* too. *Lucifer means Lightning Star, Morning Star, Shining One, The Star of the Dawn* etc all linked to beautiful or perfection. As we see in Isaiah God thought the King of Tyre to be like the *Morning Star* before he *fell* down metaphorically speaking. Yet in *2 Peter **1:19* we see *the morning / day star* was interpreted by early Christians as a reference to *Iesus* : ☆ “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.” The above verses were linked also with : ☆ *Num **24:17* : “ *A star shall rise out of Jacob* ” Latin Vulgate that translated *‏* הילל. In the Vulgate, *Isa **14:12* reads as follows: ◇ "Quomodo cecidisti de caelo *lucifer* qui mane oriebaris corruisti in terram qui vulnerabas gentes." *Notice the fifth word of the text-*lucifer*. It is not a proper name but the Latin word for *morning star* The word *lucifer* occurs four times in the Vulgate: ☆ *Isa **14:12* , ☆ *Job **11:17* , ☆ *Job **38:32* , and ☆ *2 Peter **1:19* . ☆ In *Job **11:17* , the KJV renders the Hebrew word *‏*בקר as ‘morning’: ◇ "Et quasi meridianus fulgor consurget tibi ad vesperam et cum te consumptum putaveris orieris ut *lucifer*" ☆ In *Job **38:32* , the KJV renders the Hebrew word *‏מזרות as Mazzaroth*. ◇ Jerome translated the word as *lucifer-or ‘morning star*,’ which is very close to the meaning of the Hebrew *‏*מזרות: ◇ "Numquid producis *luciferum* in tempore suo et vesperum super filios terrae consurgere facis" ☆ In *2 Peter **1:19* , the KJV renders the Greek word *φωσφόρος* ( phosphoros ) as ‘*day star* .’ Again, the Latin Vulgate has *lucifer* here: ◇ "Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi *lucernae lucenti* in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et *lucifer* oriatur in cordibus vestris" ◇ *Jesus* compares himself to the *Morning Star* too. Christ was the word of God and if you read Bible you will see he doesn't preach about an everlasting Hell cause there was no such thing. Gehena is a physical actual place in Jerusalem where they burned things all the time. In fact to sum up what Christ said is the righteous people will be given a chance to a new life and immortality, the sinful ones will burn in this Earth which will be destructed by fire this time. Literally the sinful ones will die and sease to exist. The whole Satan thing also is false doctrine, and so is the idea of Nephilim being the offspring of fallen angels.

[@volodymyrvolf3889]

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd. John 10: 14-16 23 Jesus replied, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me. John 14: 23-24 Read the Bible, keep and abide in Jesus's Words, do not listen to satan's lies because its the same lie as in the garden “Has God indeed said?" Gen 3: 1

[@jamesfulmer7080]

Go to the KZbin channel ( Perfected By Blood) and these questions will be answered.

[@mdmclaughlin28]

Can you please give A detailed explanation of Mt 7:13,14.

[@guyverslab9864]

Why do u have the masonic phnx on ur shirt? Pretty sure thats not a standard shirt logo..

[@facefact3737]

2000 languages that dont have Scripture in them at all...? I dont get that.

[@carriewood5278]

What's the purest form I have been seeking, I have been researching for 9 years I have had bibles upon bibles on my table relating. Then studying Greek Aramaic and Hebrew I read the complete Jewish Bible. I want pure word I'm not a theologian but I seek the pure truth. I do not follow religiosity.

[@marcob7771]

Carrie Wood what Bible can I get without the word hell being in there what is the best translation from Hebrew Greek Latin to English should I get , Thank you in advance

[@davidford15]

"I have been researching for 9 years I have had bibles upon bibles on my table" The NT was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. Do you have copies of Etheridge's and Murdock's translations from the Aramaic? They're online at dukhrana.com/peshitta/

[@davidford15]

"what Bible can I get without the word hell being in there" The NT was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. Translations by Etheridge, Magiera, and Bauscher of the NT from the Aramaic lack 'hell.' Etheridge dukhrana.com/peshitta/ www.lulu.com/shop/ewan-macleod/etheridge-translation-of-the-aramaic-peshitta-new-testament/paperback/product-23012373.html Magiera aramaicdb.lightofword.org/index.php/en/english-word-search www.amazon.com/s?k=janet+magiera&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Bauscher - Aramaic Bible in Plain English biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/ www.lulu.com/shop/rev-david-bauscher/the-original-aramaic-new-testament-in-plain-english-with-psalms-proverbs-8th-edition-with-notes/hardcover/product-21273790.html

[@marcob7771]

Thanks

[@rodneyevans8790]

I'm confused... didn't you say that hell was in the bible one time... in James?

[@tentmaker777]

In most English translations today, the only Greek word translated Hell anymore is the Greek Gehenna, used 12 times, 11 of those times is in the gospels in Jesus' mouth. Only one time the word Gehenna is used by someone else and that is James where he likens Gehenna/hell as a tongue that set the course of this world on fire. The Tongue was used by James as a metaphor.

[@rodneyevans8790]

tentmaker777. Ok, I see now. Thank you.

[@stuart3753]

Could it be that the no hell translations are false or toxic bibles though?

[@zhariahneville8705]

Louis Tully probably not since they don’t just get rid of the word “hell”. They exchange it with the actual word used in the text like gehenna or sheoul which are two different places.

[@Michael-nc9cp]

aeanos.(forever in greek).. is an age... how can it be forever and ever isnt forever long enough, why does it need another ever? my research too has led me to believe hell isnt what we got told, also jesus was a nazarene, they never ate meat, and reading the bible made me quit meat... cos before i even researched into it, just by reading the bible, i got the feeling jesus would have never hurt anything at all... and i know he practised what he preached...isaiah said behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD... Jesus himself said his disciples were not trustworthy, he called one a devil... one betrayed him, another denied him three times... he still chose them.. so... hell is not the only translation error... have ye any meat (which sounded suspicious to me anyway.. if ur hungry, you ask for food, or a meal... why meat?) anyway... seed planted, please look further into it

[@ZRWF]

Michael a better translation is age of ages like King of kings, lord of lords. Thousand year reign of the messiah.

[@tom7784]

Thank you for your video's they are very insightful. These are my two main stumbling blocks, so to speak, preventing me from accepting universalism: 1. I cannot see how God would allow so many Christians to accept the deplorable doctrine of eternal damnation. The doctrine has caused much unnecessary suffering throughout history, for instance, the Inquisition. Surely if God was all loving and all knowing he would have inspired/construed a bible that unequivocally proclaimed universal atonement so that nobody (or few) could possibly misinterpret or mistranslate the bible as propounding limited atonement! Why would God allow the majority of his followers to adhere to an erroneous doctrine that is so awful and inhumane? 2. If God has already saved everyone, why not just reconcile those who are yet to be saved and send everyone alive and yet to be born up to heaven right now? Given that God is all powerful he could do that in an instant and since he is all loving he would want to do that. If universalism is true I do not see why God would not just open the gates to paradise and resolve all the world problems tomorrow, why prolong suffering on this earth? Universalism doesn't have an answer for the problem of evil Thank you if you have read this far. It would mean a lot to me to hear your take on my arguments Kind Regards, Thomas

[@danielbowden5802]

Response to... 1. Are you a protestant or catholic? If you are a protestant then we are in the same boat. The majority of christians are apparently catholic and that was especially the case for centuries or maybe over a thousand years before the reformation. I don't have an answer to the question itself(I am just saying that it is not a good reason for a protestant to deny universalism) but it is a matter of theodicy. It is like asking why the world had to wait so long(thousands of years) for the Messiah/atonement rather than just immediately after Adam and Eve. I don't know God's reasons. Maybe the Bible tells us somewhere or maybe some people have some good theories but I am content on just trusting there is a good reason. 2. Again, it looks like ECT(Eternal Conscious Torment) believers are in the same boat here. How does ECT make theodicy any better or easier? What would you suggest as a theodicy and how is your theodicy incompatible with universal salvation(if you have a theodicy in mind). I think arminian or libertarian free will theodicies are especially compatible with universalism but many reformed christians (AKA calvinists) also come to believe in universalism(many still identifying as reformed). Evangelical universalists or christian universalists are often basically either arminians or calvinists (or a mixture of the two) who simply disagree with other arminians and calvinists about the scope of salvation. An evangelical universalist who leans towards arminianism would probably have a very similar or identical theodicy to arminians and others may think more like calvinists(except for believing that God truly loves everyone and wills to save everyone).

[@tom7784]

Daniel Bowden In response to your first point that was in response to my first point. That would be a convincing argument however i'm atheist/agnostic, I used to be protestant, if you had made that argument to me when I was a protestant I would have found that a strong argument. However since I'm an atheist I accept that it is just as much a problem for protestants (how catholicism used to be dominant) as it is for universalists (how eternal damnation doctrine is prevalent). So the problem is not unique to universliasts. Thank you for making that argument.I would argue it could make universalism even more problematic since that as protestantism has to explain why catholicism was prevalent throughout most of history, a universalist protenstant must also explain in addition why ECT was a prevalent belief throughout most of history and why God allowed this. 2. Your second point is a stronger argument , however again i'm neither a calvanist, an arminian or anything inbetween. i'm a cold hearted atheist regarding a person good and an agnostic regarding a imperosnal god/ prime mover.So the argument that bcecause these problems are extendable to other theologies isnt sufficient reason to accept universalism, though I concede it would be unfair just to pick on universalism, you make a good point. This problem I mentioned are equally applicable to other denominations/theologies, so therefore why reject universalism based on the problems I mentioned? Good point. this to me isn't enough reason to become a universalists however you have made me appreciate better that that the problem I pointed out aren't unique to universalism. Thank you for your insight.

[@artbyrobot1]

you ask "Why would God allow the majority of his followers to adhere to an erroneous doctrine that is so awful and inhumane? " --- Proverbs 25:2, “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” --- God allowed men to begin to translate the Bible in the infernalist direction and moreso since nobody stood up against it but feared man instead and slowly the truth of universalism faded from the public eye. This was a judgement against man for backsliding, allowing them to collectively begin to view God as a monster whose love will fail for most and whose love will give up on most and whose mercy does not triumph over his judgement and who does not fulfill his promise to never cast anyone away forever. Another element to all of this is: For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. --- now that is not to say no infernalists are approved per se, however, it is one extra clue of who is getting revelations from God abundantly if you are able to see who can receive a more rare doctrine of truth that most have not or will not embrace. Just one more measure of how solid somebody is in truth then. You say "If God has already saved everyone" --- he hasn't. Universalism does not teach that. It teaches the way has been made for everyone to be saved and all SHALL be saved - not that all are ALREADY saved presently. That is just OBVIOUSLY not true. How is someone serving Satan currently saved? You ask "and yet to be born up to heaven right now?" --- because God has a timing for everything and is using the school of hard knocks to collectively humble and teach men in general. Our own folly as a collective is becoming apparent over and over so that all can see our need to just humble ourselves and follow God wholeheartedly and stop trusting in ourselves that we can do it all apart from Christ. He is TEACHING us all patiently this entire time. You say " he could do that in an instant" --- in an instant seems a stretch to me. Not without violating free will and also much punishment is still in order so that would not allow for necessary punishment either with your suggested solution. Really you are putting the overall impatience of men, in the tiktok generation and assuming God must be equally impatient for results. God, unlike this generation, does not have the attention span of a fly. He does not have ADHD. It is foolish to see God that way. You say "since he is all loving he would want to do that" --- not true. God would want to take his time and do it right and work with free wills to bring about willing change through careful and patient guidance through time, not just abusing his power to force change everybody into servants by the snap of a finger. That is not his style nor desire as you so foolishly suppose. You ask "why prolong suffering on this earth" --- suffering is righteous punishment. He says you shall reap what you sew. he means it. You don't seem to grasp the necessary and just nature of punishment nor the need for it as a instructional tool. David said thy rod and thy staff comfort me. This means God's punishments and course corrections comfort him and so you should not despise them. Also, the suffering is directly in part because of man's own folly and evil which God also wants to come out and demonstrate to man his own depravity and own need to humble himself and submit to God. So even allowing man to step into that darkness is instructional and beneficial in the long term. You are looking at all of this so short sightedly and with no careful meditation and rushing to foolish conclusions. You say "Universalism doesn't have an answer for the problem of evil" --- the problem of evil is only a problem for someone who is ignorant to how God has used evil to correct and expose the folly of men and humble men. It is a "problem" that has to be answered for in ANY religion and universalism is just one small doctrine within a massive network of doctrines and the explanation for evil is an entirely separate and distinct doctrine that has nothing in particular to do with any eschatological view like universalism as you foolishly conflate here.

[@colinmurphy4403]

There is no hell! Jesus clearly said fire and brimstone will be the next judgment against ungodly sinners!

[@artbyrobot1]

you say "There is no hell!?!?! Jesus clearly said fire and brimstone will be the next judgment against ungodly sinners!" --- yes amen. Universalism upholds this truth. Universalism upholds there is a hell. This uploader just prefers Bibles use the original Greek and Hebrew terms Hades/Sheol since "Hell" is a term rooted in paganism and brings with it a lot of mythological ideas associated with that word. However, personally I take no issue with using that word. Just want to focus on expressing hell is for the purpose of kolasis and not mere torture as some suppose and also that hell is finite in duration with a happy reconciliation of all things and restitution of all things and all becoming alive in Christ promised on the back end of the fullness of time.

[@ephall63]

I wish what you are saying is the truth. But eternal torment is definitely in the Bible. It is there for all to read. You can't say its a myth

[@artbyrobot1]

eternal doesn't mean infinite as a modern english thinker reads into that word though. Eternal/everlasting/forever all are rooted in Aion which denotes an age or Olam. Some examples of the Biblical "eternal" not being what you may think sir: Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were ‘everlasting’, that is - until… they ‘were shattered’ (Habakkuk 3 3:6). The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an ‘everlasting’ priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is - until… it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18). Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon’s Temple ‘forever’ (1 Kings 8:13), that is - until… the Temple was destroyed. The Law of Moses was to be an ‘everlasting covenant’ (Leviticus 24:8), yet we read in the New Covenant the first was ‘done away’ and ‘abolished’ (2 Corinthians 3:11,13), and God ‘made the first old’ (Hebrews 8:13).

[@facefact3737]

... but Romans 3 clearly talks about the absolute need to believe the gospel, so you will be reborn in the Spirit and walking in the Spirit (Romans 8). What is the gospel? 1 Corinthians 15: Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

[@artbyrobot1]

Yes univeralism upholds this truth sir. Nobody is suggesting here that sinners will enter the kingdom while still sinners as you so foolishly assume here. We are merely upholding the truth that the judgement is kolasis punishment and God will bring all men unto Himself in time and save them all.

[@bjhart9681]

he speaks the words just exactly the way the devil would -he can shake hands with his master-the bird on his shirt is an occult symbol

[@TheAlien101]

And who is the devil mind you ?

[@davidford15]

"he speaks the words just exactly the way the devil would" How do you know-- have you ever heard the devil speaking?

[@grimlund]

Yeah. The guy doesn't believe that people will be tormented forever so he must be evil.

[@Honestman400]

I think you assume to many things. Don't you think that before you start claiming what Jesus said or did, or how the bible should be interpreted, you should first establish beyond any reasonable doubt, first that Jesus, if he lived at all, _(and I am willing to concede that,)_ was the son of god and not just an ordinary preacher with a Messiah complex and second that the bible is accurate in the first place and not a collection of unproven, ancient myths, legends and folktales, which have no more credibility that the Ancient Greek myths or the Norse Sagas of Asgard?

[@artbyrobot1]

this is not an atheist gospel preaching apologetics channel as you foolishly suggest. This channel is for establishing a important Christian doctrine and appealing to Christians to reconsider their view on this particular Christian doctrine.

[@Michael-nc9cp]

aeanos.(forever in greek).. is an age... how can it be forever and ever isnt forever long enough, why does it need another ever? my research too has led me to believe hell isnt what we got told, also jesus was a nazarene, they never ate meat, and reading the bible made me quit meat... cos before i even researched into it, just by reading the bible, i got the feeling jesus would have never hurt anything at all... and i know he practised what he preached...isaiah said behold, the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD... Jesus himself said his disciples were not trustworthy, he called one a devil... one betrayed him, another denied him three times... he still chose them.. so... hell is not the only translation error... have ye any meat (which sounded suspicious to me anyway.. if ur hungry, you ask for food, or a meal... why meat?) anyway... seed planted, please look further into it

[@tiffanyweber3028]

Michael apostle Paul clears this topic about meat. Jesus are fish and told peter to catch fish

[@fayestiles4590]

Michael can you direct me to the source of Nazarene’s not eating meat. I have studied www.all-creatures.org/search.html and they have some great articles. I too believe man’s presentation of Scriptures have mislead us to believe God wants us to kill and eat animals. Upon a closer study God never told man to kill and earth living creatures. Thank you Micheal 👍