Tesla Cybertruck Climb : Analysed & Compared F-150, Rivian

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Tesla's Cybertruck has been filmed doing a bit of offroading...are the critics right, or are the fanboys correct? And what of the F-150 and Rivian filmed doing the same thing? In this video I take a look at all three to see what we can learn.
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[@omg_tesla]

I’m the driver of the Rivian. In the video I purposely drove like that to compare as much as I could to the Cybertruck. I stopped and slowed down because some people commented on my Twitter posts saying that the Cybertruck stopped and I should do the same. In a different video I showed the way I normally climb Stair Step is with momentum. In the video from behind you saw the brake lights while climbing up is because I’m using the two pedal method, accelerating and braking, using braking to control torque better. Hollister Hills is my home OHV park and I’m always there with the R1T. Very much appreciated you taking your time analyzing all 3 trucks.

[@L2SFBC]

Thanks can you post the other video here please? Appreciate that comment!

[@omg_tesla]

I dont think KZbin is allowing me to link the video@@L2SFBC

[@L2SFBC]

OK can you send me a link here l2sfbc.com/contact/

[@L2SFBC]

Just checked out your channel. Very cool; offroading in an EV, and tracking one! Would you be available for a Zoom interview, be fascinating to hear your perspective!

[@omg_tesla]

@@L2SFBC let me connect with you this weekend, getting ready to head to GIGA Texas for the delivery event

[@GavinEarnshaw]

Ta Robert, as a fellow 4x4 instructor, this is a good take. Watching those cybertrucks and how they were driven suggests that they were testing and tweaking. I can't imagine that the test drivers were that bad...

[@mammutMK2]

Even in combustion engine cars you will notice when the esp was trained well or the just used the besic program of the shelf. Had a car where the esp the was working with me and you could even go sideways as long as it detected you're still in control. And some the work against you like mommy and daddy sitting behind you ready to take control. So you need to bring it to the max to train the computer all possible situations. The rear end going sideways could be compensated with the rear steering...as it's all ECU,you just need to tell him what to do. Even Nissan made it was with the gtr 34, the rear wheel steering was turning against to get tighter turns at slow speeds, at higher speeds it was turning with to make smoothe lane changes and cornering, plus when the car got unstable it counteracted the wobble from the rear to straighten the car back out

[@gloredon]

That's exactly what the Tesla engineers have said it will do, against at low speeds, with at high speed (over 40mph) and using smaller angles (2-3 degrees)@@mammutMK2

[@Phil42069]

Absolutely not a normal KZbinr. He is highly knowledgeable. I learned something in this video. Thanks

[@adampoll4977]

A voice of reason amongst the flood of extreme opinions. Good job as usual.

[@L2SFBC]

Thanks, something about "Tesla" and "cybertruck" sends people mad...

[@CSAFMedia]

This high discharge 5:55 for Rivian during aggressive climbs was very noticeable during the historic Rubicon Trail. This extreme accomplishment for Rivian (first ever production EV to complete the Rubicon Trail) resulted in a 80% battery pack being drained to less than 10% after about a 12 mile trail.

[@L2SFBC]

Thanks!

[@CallsignVega]

If you ask someone that was there on the trail that day, the Rivian was rock stacked, dragged across the Rubicon, and took every bypass. The Rivian support vehicle R1T even broke a tie-rod and was blocking the trail. That's why there is no video online, only a few pictures. Dragging a 7k lb SUV across the Rubicon isn't something you'd gloat about too much.

[@kradius2169]

​@@CallsignVega... It's only a matter of time before we get video of a Cyberstuck that has bottomed out & is up in smoke ... just hoping the passenger doors have a mechanical release.

[@L2SFBC]

That surprises me...I'd have thought it would have been quite capable?

[@liuwang2201]

yes finally a truck that says I'm vaxed and boosted

[@keithgillette9537]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the very rigid suspension setting on the Cybertruck. Its main issue appears to be a huge lack of articulation (no droop!). It has air suspension, so the worst driving mistake of all was simply selecting the max height setting.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes, could have mentioned that, did look a little stiff

[@DILINGER0]

A HUGE weight and a lot of perfomance, need to be controlled. It's a difficult compromise.

[@blueplanet1048]

Exactly right because it has little to no no flex and that setting

[@bjorngve]

This is an issue, because sus has to be on its highest to even match the standard F 150. The "Cyber truck" is maybe meant for cyber space but not for off road driving.

[@aaronlabertew7739]

@@bjorngve F150's standard ground clearance is anywhere from 8.3 to 9.4 inches, Cybertruck is at 17 inches at its highest setting. In order to get close to an F150's standard clearance, the Cybertruck has to get into its lowest settings, which brings it down to 8 inches...

[@g0fvt]

Well done for an excellent video that stands out for impartiality. RC rock crawlers are a great learning device and usually difficult to break.

[@jonahfastre]

Those in the old Jeep really knew how to do it

[@GavinEarnshaw]

At the Cybertruck launch Musk said the truck had front and rear axle diff locks. So as we thought this video shows them test/configure of the brake traction control.

[@hoyks1]

The cyber truck looks like the suspension is way to stiff for the application.

[@paulelledge8977]

It looks really ugly too. 😂

[@2URLex]

The body itself looks stiff.

[@hoyks1]

@@paulelledge8977 Yeah, not just touched with the ugly stick, fell out of the tree and hit every branch on the way down.

[@hoyks1]

@@2URLex Its meant to be stainless steel construction and stainless doesn't like flexing much. It work hardens quickly and then cracks. All the welds separating is not a good look.

[@2URLex]

@@hoyks1 yea you’re right, I saw no articulation either. That couldn’t have been comfortable in the driver seat.

[@Jay-me7gw]

The quad motor R1T didnt do so hot on TFLTrucks recent video. A $38,000 Colorado Trailboss with a simple G80 made it look silly.

[@bc4198]

This is easily among the very top automotive analysis videos in the history of KZbin - well done!!! 🤩🤩🤩

[@L2SFBC]

Thanks, please share!

[@funvangroovn176]

Terrific analysis of the vehicle capability and correct driving technique! However, the high light of the video was your mention and shoutout to Wrangler owners!😂 Awesome work as per usual!

[@L2SFBC]

Thanks!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

I doubt that bumper is production ready. There's so much uncovered space which is very bad for aero.

[@michaelsecomb4115]

Excellent comparison. Can't understand the Cybertruck. Who would buy it - what is it's target market?

[@L2SFBC]

I'm not sure

[@donhappel9566]

The market is people who want to be seen. Certainly not people who want a truck.

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

30 000 fanboys will buy it at first. Then no one. I doubt there is a market for a truck that can't do any truck things and looks like a prop from a 1980s scifi movie.

[@MotoGPatrick]

In salted winter roads the stainless is a plus. I have a gas hog wheeler but the awd model 3 is a great daily car and superb awd on icy roads.

[@fredrik3685]

✅ In salted winter roads 🔲 🔲 🔲 🔲 🔲

[@timmo971]

I’d suggest too that the tyre selection and pressures were a huge factor in all the vehicles were not paid attention too. The obstacles on that hill were pathetically basic

[@L2SFBC]

Not really, more about being able to maximise the available traction by sending the appropriate amounts of torque to the right wheel at the right time

[@JBean_COCR]

Great info, thanks! One other thing I noticed, is that it appears that both the Rivian and Ford had their tire pressure set lower (at least I saw more tire flex). From my experience this could also affect traction in this hard surface with sand/gravel/dust and dry conditions.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes lower tyre pressure would help to some degree but it is a hard surface so not so much as a soft surface.

[@MotoGPatrick]

One thing that is missed is this was not the first cybertruck to go up that. One went by after going up before they filmed the second one. Like the Rivian or even a 2010 LR3 the cybertruck has brake traction control. The rivian quad motor has an advantage but Rivian has updated their BTC on the dual and tri motor models. The dual motor version of the Rivian wasn't so good until the update. There will also be tri-motor cybertrucks too. An offroad menu with more offroad modes than land rover's terrain response is as easy as an over the air update. Open differentials or lockers off on a rover with terrain response in the right setting goes up the hollister stairs just fine on brake traction control alone.

[@CallsignVega]

Actually that "old" technology of having a center and front/rear locking differentials IS way better for off-roading than what these electric trucks are doing. So much in fact, that Jeep said their future electric off-road vehicle will have a transfer case and locking differentials.

[@L2SFBC]

To some extent I agree; for ICE vehicles I've not found anything better than a lockabke c/d. However for electric I think IWD would better.

[@luigifranceschi2350]

Rivian doesn’t need to brake the spinning g wheel, because, having 4 indipendent motor, one per wheel, not connected with the others, just cuts the torque to that wheel. But the fact that is spinning doesn’t effect the torque on the other wheel, because they have their own motor and there’s not a differential that transfers the torque from one side to the other.

[@MotoGPatrick]

It depends on the rivian. Some have four motors, some have two.

[@L2SFBC]

exactly

[@bripgilb]

This is such a great technical review! Great job!

[@andreaspum6553]

Great video! one thing that came to my attention is that the Rivian driver might have not used the brakes on the climb. In EV’s when you release the pedal enough, it will trigger the brake light. This is obviously for safety purposes in regular traffic. So maybe this setting could automatically change in an offroad mode. That would make an analysis like yours easier. ;)

[@L2SFBC]

Rivian driver has just commented see pinned post

[@christophercharles3169]

Great analysis. Too many allowances made imo for the Cybertruck's lesser performance considering the amount of time they've been developing it. I do believe they advertise this as an off-road vehicle.

[@L2SFBC]

to be fair it is still in development doing development things

[@christophercharles3169]

@@L2SFBC Why does it always feel like Tesla is reinventing the wheel?

[@aaronlabertew7739]

@@christophercharles3169 Because no one else makes the wheel they want to build. And then they build it, and everyone else scrambles to catch up.

[@christophercharles3169]

@@aaronlabertew7739 Now that wouldn't be reinventing would it. I mean a stainless steel car is not new. Neither is bullet proof although when you're windows are not I fail to see the point. What does the Cybertruck offer that one really needs?

[@gloredon]

@@christophercharles3169I've seen this point made so many times about the lack of bullet proofness to the windows. Does everyone making these comments honestly think you wouldn't squish down in your seat and drive the heck away from a shooter? The doors on the CT have a VERY high sill, for almost everyone shorter than Kareem, there is plenty of room to duck down and drive away. Turn on the front camera and you could even do it and retain view of the road. A regular car is absolutely as effective as a sheet of paper for stopping any sort of round through the doors. The only safe place behind a car from normal fire is behind the engine or wheels, outside the vehicle. Someone opens fire on me, I'm speeding away, like a "not idiot". The CT will protect me from basic fire for 70% of my body, and if I duck down, all of it.

[@Chris.Davies]

9:11 - Holy Crap. Even in this low quality video, you can easily see that the drivers door is drooping, and the panel gap isn't right. You are amazing, Tesla! Your manufacturing prowess knows no bounds!

[@nifty6486]

great vid, just a quick FUI though is that the lightning had the bottom of its bumper taken off for it to be able to get enough attack-angle

[@RobertPitas]

My take was that they were calibrating the traction control and simultaneously gathering data on how the 4-wheel steering impacted the hill climb. I think the one thing not being mentioned that is probably the most important factor is the number of motors. The F150 is literally just an ICE F150 with to electric motors, so uses mechanical diffs to transmit torque between wheels. Cybertruck is either a dual motor or Tri-motor, so needs a mechanical diff on the front too. Rivian is the only 4-motor that can actually change torque at each wheel electrically.

[@MsAjax409]

Rivian also sells a two-motor R1T.

[@L2SFBC]

Is that still current and was the same true of the R1S?

[@brieflyjr]

The cyber truck will struggle to pass safety regulations in many countries. It's simply an razor sharp torpedo in wheels. With no steering rod am not sure if electric steering

[@gardenhose590]

Visibility appears to be much worse with the Cybertruck.

[@L2SFBC]

I agree but it probably has cameras

[@MsAjax409]

Objectivity is such a rare thing these days. Good job!

[@L2SFBC]

I appreciate that, thank you

[@fredfredw9366]

My preference for off road EV trucks for 250K$: 1) 4 motors 2) 42"+ tires with bid locks and adjustable air suspension 3) off road front bumper 4) military Humvee narrower body design high from bottom, low from top. So, it won't flip easily. 5) Back of vehicle very close to rear wheels so it wont hit the ground while vehicle climbing front obstacle. 6) No traction control system instead a radar based AI system that can see what obstacles approaching vehicle: water, sand, rocks, snow. 7) moving and turning in water and water proof. 8) moving side ways for tight parallel parks and tight u turns. Basically, add these 8 features to Cybertruck.

[@ericstephenson9924]

very informative! I learned some things today.

[@jerrymyahzcat]

I don’t think the Rivian driver was necessarily braking. So many modern vehicles now flash the brake lights when traction control or Stability Contol activates, some brake with cruise control downhill, EVs brake lights go on with regen it’s entirely possible the driver never took their foot off the accelerator and the vehicle was flashing the brake lights. ***turns out the Rivian driver was using 2 foot driving. Also the CyberTruck uses steer by wire and that’s the explanation of the rapid and jerky steering. At slow speeds it only takes a half rotation of the wheel for full lock so even tiny changes in steering angle have a large and fast response. It’s not ideal for accurate delicate steering control.

[@MastroAdventures]

That is a super basic obstacle. I climb obstacles way steeper with my 21 Stock Bronco.

[@gloredon]

The CyberTruck is equipped with a locking front diff on the 3-motor version, and locking front AND rear diffs on the 2 motor version. That is now known. They are undoubtedly electronic diff locks that may be either manually or automatically engaged via the terrain selection screen. My only real concern will be the breakover angle and how tough the armor is on the bottom. Can I slide it over rock projections without damaging the battery pack? Someone is already offering a bottom armor upgrade, which will help. It has a smaller turning diameter than my JK Rubicon Unlimited, with the rear steer. That's impressive to get better turning from a 143" wheelbase compared to a 116" wheelbase.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes all explained now in my EV Powertrain video

[@brendanpells912]

Drag-racing on flat asphalt seems to be more important to Tesla, probably because the fanboys have a short attention span. What would be entertaining is to bring these trucks over to the UK and try them out on a Land-Rover test track, taking on a Land-Rover Defender, or even a HiLux

[@JoeIsOut2lunch]

The second I heard of electric vehicles that have off-road capabilities. My first thought was that they should have a digital dial that can literally adjust the throttle response as slow as you want it.

[@L2SFBC]

I agree with that!

[@gloredon]

That would be sweet! Especially since there is no transmission or transfer case in a Rivian or a CyberTruck.

[@robbyg3989]

Nice video Robert, do these vehicles have skid plates for the battery? Maybe flexible battery mounts of sorts are in the future.

[@L2SFBC]

I hope so as damaged batteries are a fire risk. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ6ai2uCqM17gNk

[@MotoGPatrick]

@@L2SFBC Awesome, facts no bull.

[@2URLex]

Higher battery discharge from climbing on a trail isn’t good. Thermal runaway in the wilderness is extremely bad for a scenario where the battery can’t cool enough.

[@L2SFBC]

It's just the battery needing extra cooling, not a fire risk. The car would have failsafes to shut down before that, like an ICE.

[@2URLex]

@@L2SFBC The Tesla that went into the lake from the boat ramp accident had the failsafe too but it kept the flames going while underwater. I just can’t trust them.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@L2SFBCactually it's not the battery it's the electric motors and inverters that needs alot of cooling since the vehicle isn't moving faster and the electric are been heavily used. I've seen alot of tesla and Rivian Offroad and they were even much louder than the ICE they were together.

[@micke3035]

Pure insanity to drive something that POSSIBLY can catch fire, but can't be extinguished, into the wild. Hello wildfires that we don't need!

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

Would love to see my 4Runner with ATRAC attack, no locker engaged.

[@alertbri]

Makes you realise how useful a 'surround ground' camera view would be. Would be good to know how the cars give that info to the driver?

[@kahuna1247]

Brilliant work! Love these videos 😊

[@L2SFBC]

Glad you like them!

[@dannyhull8007]

It looked like the Bronco wasn't in 4 wheel drive. No action from the front axel.😢 Also, see any of the Matt's Off Road Recovery videos for airing down and climbing everything!

[@Jay-me7gw]

The Lightning actually seemed to do quite well considering it seemed to have the least aggressive and probably smallest tire of the group. I know the Rivian is a 275/65R20 vs the Lightnings 275/60R20 and I had heard the Cybertrucks were on "35's", whatever that means. The Lightning can also probably fit a set of 315/70R17's off of a raptor if someone wanted to completely destroy their range, just like any F150. I know the Rivian cannot go to a much smaller wheel than a 20". Not sure on the cyber truck. But that is also a significant advantage to the lightning if you really wanted to offroad it. It lets you air down nice an low with lots of sidewall. You can't air down much when you have a 7500 lb Rivian with 20" wheels.

[@gloredon]

It means 285/65/R20 which is a sort of skinny 35 (Compared to my "little" tires I run in the winter on my Jeep which are 35 x 12.5 x 17s).

[@lumikarhu]

amazing job, Robert

[@HeyCoalCat]

A fair comparison would match tires and pressure

[@3DThrills]

Here is what you missed. Pull up a photo of the F-150 Lightning. Ford had to removed both running boards and the front valance to climb the same hill as a Cybertruck. LOL. #disqualified

[@The_Crazy_Monkey75]

This is a very technical offroad review. Good job!

[@eudaenomic]

And Rivian is having stock issues. Hope this helps them.

[@pascalbruyere7108]

Any mountain biker knows this basic stuff about going over a ledge, wheel base and pretty much everything else. When you use your legs you get it pretty quick 😄

[@patrickcox61]

A jeep would go right up without spinning the tires!! That’s not even an obstacle. Do the Rubicon trail!

[@L2SFBC]

it's enough of an obstacle to learn something. Unfortunately I don't have a Rubicon video on which to commentate.

[@Espiritiv]

Cybertruck baby! Keep em coming

[@tareskisloki8579]

To be honest, it's a moot point anyway. The Cybertruck will likely never be used off-road outside of the media. The cost of repairing any damage to the sheetmetal of that vehicle would be too exhorbitant to risk it.

[@L2SFBC]

fair point!

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

No crumple zone

[@donhappel9566]

One of my friends who's a Tesla employee insists he will take one through the Rubicon with us when it comes out. I'm hoping to hold him to that!

[@donm2255]

That stainless steel is a lot thicker and harder than the stamped sheet metal in all other vehicles. It takes a lot to scratch or dent it. A lot! Most things that would cause damage to a painted car, won't make a mark on the CT stainless steel. And if it does get scratched, it's pretty easy to sand out. The stainless steel exterior on the CT is much more durable than traditional stamped steel. It will take a small caliber bullet and will never rust--it's much better suited for off road use.

[@donm2255]

@@jamesmcmillan2656 Really? Do you honestly think that the company making the safest cars on the planet would design a truck and not put in crumple zones?

[@saiello2061]

So Jeremy Clarskon was right, "More speed! More power..!".... 😂. Joking aside, the biggest factor denying a fair test is using different drivers in each vehicle. Having said that, this is actually the very first time I've ever seen footage of a Cybertruck pitted against the competition off road. It's as if Tesla was deliberately trying to avoid publicity on this one.... 🤔. Amazing 👍.

[@zipp5398]

I don’t know if I’m right about this I don’t really do rock climbing for me. It’s more about snow and off Roading in those conditions but with my diesel, I actually have three settings, a low throttle response, medium throttle response, and high throttle response that I can adjust accordingly, I would think a diesel electric would have about the same capabilities in someways due to the high torque, which would allow them to climb just about anything. If done correctly. The other thing I would guess with rock, climbing from what I’ve observed from other people is tire pressure all these electric cars look like their tire pressure is way too heavy and need to be softened up to spread the tire a little bit. But certainly the most observed thing I’ve noticed is what you just said in the video about acceleration accelerating at the right time giving that extra momentum could be that these people are scared a little bit which intern tends to make people drive more cautiously to the point of not driving fast enough for conditions there’s a happy medium it’s the same for driving through deep snow. Anyway, great video really enjoyed it. I’d give it two thumbs up if I could.😊

[@andyd5492]

Nothing was mentioned about the types of tires on each truck.

[@L2SFBC]

Wouldn't make a big difference - that hill is about sending torque to where it needs to go.

[@andyd5492]

@@L2SFBC You are kidding, right? Of course the type of tire can make a difference.

[@L2SFBC]

not in that test

[@casekocsk]

I don't own truck but this video is very educational!

[@dhackos]

I don’t think you can compare these vehicles without fitting them with the same tires. Traction depends on tires, vehicle weight, and torque. I’m not sure about the Cybertruck tires, but often EVs are sold with low tread tires to try to lower tire noise, which is much more noticeable on an EV since it is not drown out by engine noise. Anyway - without using the same tires, this comparison is silly.

[@L2SFBC]

It's not silly as the problem is sending torque to the right place not grip of the tyres. If it was tyre grip then all four wheels would spin. Once the torque is sorted, all cars make the climb.

[@mikecarr1484]

I want to see all three up against my 1998 Jeep Cherokee

[@cyclemoto8744]

Thanks Robert

[@Shopsmith10er]

The 80 years difference Jeep kicks ASS over the new fangled tract & susp. Lol

[@windsolarupnorth7084]

Result is embarrasing for the CT however you put it. That looks like a real easy hill to climb, any 4WD could do that better than the CT did. Even random city SUVs. Tesla has absolutely no idea how to build a 4WD.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Thank you for mentioning Wrangler LOL

[@pat9125]

Excellent video!!

[@L2SFBC]

Glad you liked it!

[@chaselarson4224]

That's not a private property on a purpose bank track Pippy neighborhood's vehicles where I go off routine at giant rock. But they have a competition called king of the hammers, not guaranteed that 1 of those vehicles. No matter how gently you drive it will make it through it

[@MondayMorning-yv7nf]

Wondering why you did not mention that old jeep in your title....... 🤔 it just hammered those other three vehicles into.......

[@rangerhawk]

Getting momentum at the proper point is the key. Knowing when to apply power and when to let up. Also, the multiwheel power train technology in the Cybertruck is amazing. My problem with the Cybertruck is not it's performance. As demonstrated in multiple scenario's it is more than adequate, often exceeding counterparts. My problem is current battery technology (its inherent dangers, fire, explosion and waste disposal) combined with available charging stations. These issues are not going to be solved any time soon. Don't get me wrong, the technology and performance are incredible, however no matter what the Whitehouse's agenda is on this topic, these issues need to be resolved before I believe it can or will become mainstream.

[@rangerhawk]

Sorry, had to edit that to refine the thought.

[@gloredon]

The waste disposal problem is already being solved, if you've checked into that much. Lithium Ion battery packs are 97%+ fully recyclable. There are at least 3 companies I know of (one right here in Colorado started by a former Tesla Engineer) that are perfecting the process. By the time the batteries really start failing in numbers, it will be ready and running. And contrary to some people's beliefs, the lithium is fully re-usable to make new batteries, thus lowering the pressure on Lithium mining, brining, gathering needs. There really is no explosion danger (like taking L-Ion batteries on board airplanes and subjecting them to extreme pressure differentials, we don't generally do that with our cars). the fire potential is there (no worse than gasoline, which is far more flammable than anything in a L-Ion battery) but the trick is putting out ANY metal fire once it starts. Notoriously hard to do. But mostly that will also be solved with solid state battery tech which is coming soon. 5 years or less. Solid state also removes the formation of the dendrites that cause degradation of those batteries over multiple recharge cycles. The dendrites can only form in the liquid spaces between cathode and anode, like icicles reaching from one to the other. Solid state removes the space for that to happen, plus a lot of the fire danger. It is all coming.

[@kensmith5694]

In a well designed electric drive the RPM of the wheels will do the right thing and the torque will be adjusted to make that happen. When the vehicle is straight onto the simple hill all 4 wheels should turn at the same speed. When one wheel or one set of wheels is on something steeper that wheel needs a bit more RPM. This is just a little better than a lock diff.

[@donhappel9566]

In theory better, but in reality you have to wait for tires to start spinning and the computers to then make adjustments. The benefit of lockers is you can engage them prior to spinning tires and avoid slipping off your line in the first place. That's the same issue with any brake-based traction control - it will never be able to match a locker until it can preemptively intervene.

[@kensmith5694]

@@donhappel9566 You seem to under estimate the speed with which electronics can do stuff. Brake based traction control is always going to be much slower than an electric motor based one. Actual mechanical stuff has to move. With semiconductors, in under a microsecond,, 500V can be applied to a winding. Also, an electronic system can preemptively intervene to do the increased speed on the wheel that is traveling a greater distance. I am not saying Rivian does this because I didn't design it.

[@donhappel9566]

@@kensmith5694 Again, in theory it sounds great. In practice we've all seen them struggle - waiting for a tire to start spinning then applying correction. If you are doing any sort of technical driving you know that spinning = bad as you quickly move off the correct line and just an inch can often be the difference between making it up or not. Brake based TC can't do anything about this but individual wheel electric drive could if there was basically a "locker" switch which would force each tire to work together and could be engaged prior to attempting the obstacle. There is much potential for electric in the crawling world but thus far it hasn't been realized. But the possibilities are substantial.

[@kensmith5694]

@@donhappel9566 You will notice if you go back and read my comments you can see that I stated things as what an electric system could do if engineered correctly. I tend to do that, being and engineer. Yes, I presumed something told the electronics a hill was being climbed. In a machine as expensive as the Rivian, sensors and cameras and the like could do that for you.

[@nafsucof]

Does your analysis change knowing that the Tesla has front and rear locking differential?

[@L2SFBC]

No it does not as IWD is better anyway

[@nafsucof]

@@L2SFBCthe one in the video was not showing g the locking differential but the press release and tesla both state locking diffs on the dual motor and cyberbeast.

[@artpost854]

The conclusion from what we've seen is the following - you don't need to be a very good driver to drive a Cybertruck, even a prototype and incomplete one, the truck will still take you out simply due to brute force and the superior size of all the parts. 😁

[@highlanderc]

exactly.

[@darrylweidenhofer]

Unless it does 750km on a charge no one here in Australia will by these expensive heavy vehicles

[@timmo42]

I’m intending to buy one in Australia and I’m only expecting 500-600km range.

[@MotoGPatrick]

Its only about 1000lb more than a raptor

[@kradius2169]

... John Cadogan ordered one, I believe.

[@timmo42]

@@kradius2169 I find that highly unlikely.

[@kradius2169]

@@timmo42... 🤣

[@luboso239]

You say that larger wheels are better for offroad. What I understood that 17inch wheels are better than 20inch for offroad. Maybe I missunderstood. Please advice . Thanks

[@L2SFBC]

Good question...I was referring to tyre diameter, not the rim size. A 32" diameter tyre with a 17" rim is better offroad than a 32" tyre with a 20" rim. For more on the evils of low profiles please watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqrGaXuPr6qNhqc

[@luboso239]

@@L2SFBC just watched it. excellent explanation. 👍

[@MotoGPatrick]

I'm running 17 beadlocks and 35s on a raptor. Mustang wheels fit a model 3. It would be cool if the cyber had 6x135 like the F150.

[@ChristianKelly-rr3vr]

You never mentioned the difference of tire tread between the cars.....

[@L2SFBC]

All all-terrains.

[@robertwright2311]

or use the rear lockers on the Bronco

[@351tgv]

great video thumbs up.

[@Diceilsaggio]

15:33 the BEST!

[@ilonggasasardegna4831]

What if a Jeep Wrangler with the nice settings make it?

[@No-thing-ness]

I read a report that said the Cuber truck weight it close to 4 ton. If this is true then that’s amazingly bad

[@mikaelangeloh2316]

It’s a little bit over 3 tons. It’s actually lighter than the Rivian, despite being bigger and stronger.

[@mallkrawlerz620]

Rivian is amazing

[@nickgir]

Yeah. 7 tie rods to finish the trail. amazing.

[@mallkrawlerz620]

@@nickgir that’s any independent suspension. I tacos breaking tie rods all of the time on the trails

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

Rear wheel steering on the back will bring more broke part numbers scattered all over the ground 😁

[@obijuan3004]

The problem. You may never face a hill like this but the cost to insure a Tesla truck is outrageous and no collision center will fix it.

[@shenamariscal6200]

Making things up to strangers on the internet huh? Bold choice

[@aristotle_4532]

I like the low budget scifi look.

[@L2SFBC]

ha love that expression!

[@JokerInk-CustomBuilds]

i looks like the throttle/torque is a bit jumpy in the low end making it hard to control a smooth ascend... it also seems to have a rigid suspension...

[@Chamieiniibet]

Is it me or could all 3 EV drivers have just mindlessly floored the gas and jump up in one go like that old Jeep did, they just didn't want to test THAT, but more of how the traction control and the tires could handle that ascent?

[@L2SFBC]

The Jeep was not "mindlessly floored" but driven with skill, and it was able to avoid the ruts due to its narrow track.

[@Chamieiniibet]

@@L2SFBC I'm sorry for the confusion, I didn't mean the Jeep was driven mindlessly. I meant that flooring mindlessly would enable the EV drivers to drive up as fast as the Jeep did.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes. Except the Jeep was narrower so it could miss things easier.

[@mattsstuff1268]

Great video, Robert. I love the RC demonstrations and other visual aides. This video was also a good reminder of why I drive old Jeeps off road instead of $100K EV's. ;-) Good point on the throttle control. My wife and I both have EV cars as daily drivers. The throttle mapping and gear ratio, along with instant torque, works great for the street, but would be a disaster for an off road vehicle. For example, I have real difficulty getting them onto car ramps where you have to drive up an incline and then over a hump in a controlled manner. I would suspect throttle mapping specific to off road use would be a necessity for any EV intended for off road use. Rivian seems to be taking off road capabilities seriously and has probably already worked out those details. It's less certain if Ford and Tesla have.

[@L2SFBC]

Yes, throttle map is SO important and easy to do in EVs. A low crawl ratio would be great for that climb and not need any jumping to/from brake to destabilise the vehicle and risk a roll-back like the Tesla.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

The Ford lightning is not an Offroad centred truck and it's also the least powerful of the group! The Rivian has 4 independent electric motors and it struggles alot compared to even 100hp ICE!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@L2SFBCit should have been great to include range rover for example! Or even Toyota! They have amazing Offroad capabilities and the crawl control system too.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

​@@L2SFBCwith the crawl control system you can choose at which speed you wants to go, up or down! No need to use the pedals just steering

[@Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần]

when Battery tech gets 3x better then I will get the lightning. For now Model Y and Gas F150 for towing :(

[@L2SFBC]

Yes I think 3x energy density is what we need

[@drsus0]

and the rivian consistently does poorly ( or lesss smoothly) on trails when compared to traditional off road platforms.. so that's where that puts all these EV trucks so far.

[@whoguy4231]

Cyber Truck is a Classic like the De Lorean.

[@TroySavary]

Abd will be about as successful as the Delorean.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

The Cybertruck tires are not offroad tires

[@4upkoB]

All those electic SUV/Truck are Extremely Heavy. Maybe it is ok for rock climbing. But it is no good for mud, deep snow, sand and especially for swampy roads.

[@L2SFBC]

Actually weight isn't always a massive disadvantage offroad, and in some cases, more weight can work to an advantage. But yes generally light is better.

[@4upkoB]

@@L2SFBC agree, in shallow snow and in shallow wet mud with proper tyres (with deep structure) weight will be beneficial since it will push away the snow and mud for wheels to touch the understructure. But here in Russia and in Eurasia in general we have muddy, swampy lands which is poorly suited for those weight monsters. Even the paved roads will suffer from all these EV mass moved on four weels...

[@memememine1]

​@@4upkoBI competley agree with the weight issue. I visited my friends in my old home state. I rented a stock Gladiator Rubicon. At 4650 lbs it was significantly lighter than many of my friends modified rigs which can easily weigh over 6000 lbs. The trail we went on was covered with dense wet early spring snow. While many of the other vehicles sunk in the snow and needed to be winched out the lighter jeep could easlly just drive mostly ontop of the dense snow and was easily the most capable vehicle out that day.

[@donhappel9566]

@@L2SFBC other than very shallow snow or mud with a hard base under it, when would more weight help off-road? It could certainly be beneficial say as a tow rig but I'm not sure where it would help off road (?)

[@dennismason8156]

You know just in case you get a random step mountain right in the middle of a highway lol 🤦‍♂️

[@JaiUneGuruDeja]

Release Candidate CyberTruck at 8:16

[@icedout2322]

All 4x4 guys know this. I have seen so many people critique the CT that have no clue what they are talking about , I just ignore their ignorant posts. you cant normally change stupid peoples minds.

[@L2SFBC]

Know what?

[@icedout2322]

@@L2SFBC how to drive off road , ive been teaching my nephew. The physics of it were described in this video the old MB driver showed how its done . I fail to see how it's not obvious.

[@godzgr8]

That jeep is also 1/3 to half the weight

[@GOVAUS1]

too many non-car related variables here: driver skills, different approaches, non controlled paths, different tires. Normalize this and perform a test at the same time to get meaningful result.

[@Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần]

by "not want a hair trigger response" you must mean the need for 4x4 Low? :p

[@L2SFBC]

No, I mean offroad/rocks accelerator calibration!

[@Shopsmith10er]

Thank goodness for Amazon saving Rivian. Welcome to the 'jungle'.

[@DazzaOnGoogle]

I still find the Tesla to be a visual abomination.

[@L2SFBC]

I don't think it's a practical shape, but I don't mind anything different

[@bradkark]

I think its an ugly shape but my bet is that every tradie who wants to stand out from the crowd will buy one.

[@GoldenMinotaur]

The fact everyone hates it will make me love it even more, but I really only love it because of the engineering behind it

[@FriedChairs]

@@GoldenMinotaur Same. I’ve never thought pickup trucks look good at all so I just assume people that like the look of traditional trucks dislike the Cybertruck and that’s fine.

[@SB-xu8pi]

I hate the peaked roof, it increases the roof height at the worst spot. Often when entering or exiting a parking garage there will be an elevation change. As the vehicle rolls through the entry or exit of a garage the change in elevation will make the vehicle height effectively higher at the same time you want clearance for the peaked roof. People will be bashing headers of parking garages all the time. It’s pointless. Your head won’t be in the space, nothing will, it’s only going to be a problem.

[@AquaMarine1000]

With such a low driving position in the Tesla it's a wonder the driver could see where to go.

[@L2SFBC]

A good point!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Wrong! The tesla actually has a much better ability to see Infront of him with that front shape of the vehicle plus those cars have front cameras to see everything.

[@AquaMarine1000]

@@carholic-sz3qv The driving position is low.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@AquaMarine1000 how can you claim that!? Did you measure it!? Didn't musk said that it's going to have the best ground clearance "ever" lol!!

[@AquaMarine1000]

@carholic-sz3qv It's just an engineer's perspective. The driver's position looked very F1 like, contrary to the usual off-road driver's posture.

[@lidieri]

I like the Tesla truck. It looks awesome.

[@Espiritiv]

Cybertruck baby!