The BEST Answer to Where Cain Got His Wife

One of the most common questions Ken Ham gets asked is, “Where did Cain get his wife?” Fortunately, the Bible has a lot to say about this topic.
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[@cl5080]

Just yesterday I noticed something… while reading the genealogy about Cain, it mentions names, but never mentions how old they were when they begat sons, or how old they were when they died. But the genealogy of SETH, all that was mentioned. I think it’s because Cain’s ancestry DIDN’T MATTER. It doesn’t even matter if Adam and Eve had many children when Cain killed Abel. THEY ALL DIED IN THE FLOOD. Noah’s genealogy came through SETH. And when we consider all of us today, that means that our common ancestor was NOAH, and before him, SETH. Fascinating.

[@stlouisix3]

That makes us all Sethites/Sethim.

[@roberthunsberger5327]

Yes Adam had a son who was made in his imagine.. Once u understand the Parables of Jesus the word becomes alive

[@radfordsmith2773]

That is genetically incorrect. Our basic genetics originated from a primary source. With introductions of mutations along the way. With the original source DNA not bothered too much by genetic match similarities. However , over a period of time without the introduction of uncommon genetic source materials mutations (harmful) to life begin to appear. Although creationists ignore this fact common biology and investigation can attest otherwise. In other words , without strong evolutionary patterns our species would've died out millions of years ago...But , creationists say our current genetic line is directly from one(1) source..... IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!

[@arcanum3882]

Assuming a global flood, yes

[@radfordsmith2773]

@@arcanum3882 It is a known fact a "global" flood has NO geological historical evidence that it occurred. Also , it is a physics impossibility due to the fact the waster had to of gone somewhere. The amount of surface pressure can presuppose the earths outlying crust absorbed most. However , that would've led to tremendous crust upheaval. Leaving the planet uninhabitable for centurie(s)......🤔

[@bluemarble2458]

Speaking of male and female, how do evolutionists explain the origin of sexual reproduction (male and female) in detail? For an example, how did the first male and female managed to co-evolve at the same time and retain "both the mechanical and genetic compatibility"?

[@IronCavalier]

Randomly? Probably next to impossible. Then know what to do with it.

[@oestephoto]

ET phone home !! 😅😅😅

[@Jomartproducts]

Great point! Never heard that one.

[@MikelRC70]

With some exceptions, populations evolve into new species, not individuals. So there was no one male having to have sex with one female. In fact, there are some species today that contain both male and female parts. There are also some species that reproduce both asexually and sexually. Hope this helps.

[@e.k.4203]

They don’t have an answer for that. They would have to be evolving independently from one another and yet evolving in a way to be compatible with what the other is evolving into. Give me an absolute break. 🙄

[@Badger85]

I think people also forget to mention that both Adam and Even lived to be hundreds of years old (like 900 or so years) meaning despite having the same mother some of his siblings were centuries apart from him. Also the fact that neither Adam nor Eve had any flaws within their DNA to cause deformities, all that started when sin came to be and humans became more and more susceptible to disease and death.

[@davegaskell7680]

You're going to quickly get into trouble if you start talking about DNA as being some part of the Creation story. What we've learned from DNA is overwhelmingly supportive of evolutionary biology so my suggestion would be to drop any mention of it if you're a believer in a literal Adam and Eve.

[@elibennett6168]

@@davegaskell7680 And yet DNA researchers have traced back to a man and woman, and the same goes for a number of animals. Personally, DNA to me seems like great evidence because it is programming code, and information like this needs an author.

[@elibennett6168]

I don't think we can claim they were perfect since death is inherited. They were corrupted - though not to the extent of modern man. I once heard Ken Ham speak and it became clear that creationists and evolutionists believe in the opposite effect of generations. This is very broad brush, but evolutionists indicate the addition of information through helpful mutations. Creationists see the loss of information in each generation and mostly unhelpful mutations over time. The gene pool gets smaller and one day will not be viable.

[@davegaskell7680]

@@elibennett6168 Oh dear. Methinks you are getting your DNA education from Answers In Genesis!!

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

You know what I've always wondered? If all(or at least much) of our problems today, including violence, crime, drug use, disease, injuries, pain, etc. can be attributed to how much our DNA has "degraded", and the number of mutations that have arisen since the "perfect" genomes of Adam and Eve, then how come the very first person born into this world, from previously "perfect" parents, ended up being a _murderer?_ And not just a murderer, but someone who killed their own brother, and for the most silly and petty reason?

[@juleswins3]

I’m not an atheist but Cain didn’t marry his sister. The Bible says he went into the “Land of Nod” to take a wife. He also was worried “that all who found him would kill him.” And that was after he was banished from home, not before. Who was he worried about?

[@Rattlerville]

He killed the father of a family, a family member, Abel. Mind you, it would be the first time a human was "killed" rather than an animal (sacrifice) The shock of that would have be tremendous. The knowledge of that heinous act would have traveled through the population very fast. Cain took a a wife from another settlement of relatives. it could have been a sister but it also could have a niece.

[@loveemotion4080]

I came to this conclusion intuitively. 🥰 I think it was God making it clear for me, as I tried to understand. All Glory to Him. 🙏🏻

[@denisemaxwell51]

@denisemaxwell51 0 seconds ago As a Christian. Ken Ham is completely off the mark. Cain did not marry his sister, That atheist was right that would be immoral. God created all the races in Genesis 1.:27 Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. The earth was already populated when he (formed) Adam or (Aw-dawn) Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul Adam is (The Man having the Article) You should know the difference from school. the man, having the article. (Adam) for a special purpose= to till the ground, and this is the. line that Christ would come through. God would not have Cain be intimate with his sister (that's sick) have you never read Leviticus Chapter 18. v9 says this. Lev 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. Nakedness = meaning to lay with (Below. is from the strongs concordance. עֶרְוָה ‛ervâh er-vaw' From H6168; nudity, literally (especially the pudenda) or figuratively (disgrace, blemish): - nakedness, shame, unclean (-ness). Ken Ham needs to read (Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.) I pray that God will open his eyes.

[@loveemotion4080]

@@denisemaxwell51 I know all the Scriptures you are talking about, but it seems to me you are the one not understanding what Ken Ham was trying to explain. And to say that Adam was not the first man is contradicting Scripture and is also a free interpretation of the mystery.

[@Diana-xm1dm]

@@denisemaxwell51 1. God created Adam and Eve and told them to be fruitful and multiply. And, up until Moses was given the law it was okay to marry within your family. 2. Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister. Genesis 20:11-12 And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. 12 But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. BUT: Leviticus 18:6-9 Expanded Bible 6 “‘You must never ·have sexual relations with [L expose/uncover the nakedness of] your close relatives. I am the Lord. Please read all of Leviticus 18 for further explanation. God Bless.

[@Diana-xm1dm]

@@loveemotion4080 Denise is confused, because: Genesis 5:2 King James Version 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Eve's name is not Adam; therefore, Adam here implies Mankind as in NKJV Genesis 5:2: Genesis 5:2 New King James Version 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. Moreover: Genesis 5:2 1599 Geneva Bible 2 Male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name [a]Adam in the day that they were created. God Bless.

[@saul2paul540]

@@denisemaxwell51 Agree

[@ianalan4367]

I had the honor of working with an Orthodox Jew that was a scholar of the ancient Hebrew Texts. The questioned I asked him was on a different subject but his answer applies here as well. If it were anything intended for us to know it would be written in Scripture. Every word that is in the Bible is intended and has worth. Every word that is not in the Bible was intended to be left out. If God wanted us to know He would have included it. It’s not like He ran of space, didn't have the time, or forgot to include it. So, basically if the mother’s identity is not disclosed in Scripture that would mean it’s not relevant to the message. That leaves us to speculative theology. Nothing wrong with that, and in fact it can be entertaining and fun to do so. Be careful though and let us remember that’s all we are doing; is speculating.

[@YaHzDizciple]

Amen, awesome response! I feel folk's get distracted from what holy scripture is trying to teach us. What color was Yeshua (Jesus), who was Cains wife, where was the garden of Eden? How do any of these questions teach us how to live obedient to Elohim's laws and commandments? They don't, amen.

[@oldgolfer7435]

Sounds like a cop out to me! After all it is. Anything that cannot be explained, they simply say it is "Gods Will". It is amazing that in this day and age there are some that still accept this.

[@markferguson5652]

@oldgolfer7435 Cain married a 6 day girl.

[@rdkirk3834]

I disagree. "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they reveal knowledge." -- Psalm 19. Also: "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." -- Romans 1. So, Creation itself is designed to give us information about _itself_ that is not included in scripture as well as essential information about God for those who do not have scripture.

[@empowerimpact6324]

This subject of Cain's wife is not compared to say a missing name concerning Lot's wife This is about a hole missing in storytelling that makes no sense that for even some believers may subconsciously discredit the Bible in their minds & breed a nature in them of not believing it word for word So to explain this hole by the anointing & revelation of the Holy Spirit within in a way that is in Harmony with Scripture is a good thing Cain & Abel were born in pairs of male/female twins the female twin being Cain's wife of course not mentioned just as Lot's wife name was not mentioned Genesis 4:17 simply mentions Cain making love to his twin sister wife not that he had to find a wife first as she, his twin, was always with him as they were paired & already had that inseparable sense about them as most twins today still have The harmony of scripture in that time that qualifies this is how Adam & Eve too were inseparably related being that Eve had Adam's same blood within her as she carried his rib

[@rumpolstilscin]

Another thing that might be taken into account, Adam and Eve were much closer to "perfection", physically. and as said, genetic mistakes grew greater as time passed. So, brother-sister mating was not dangerous as it later came to be.

[@amyrenee1361]

You guys will jump through the most mental gymnastics to make the stories of the Bible true. I hope you never serve on a jury, become a lawyer, or a judge - because you will fail to serve justice.

[@jeremywheeler2122]

@@amyrenee1361There are no hoops to jump through. There's a reason that you can't marry your first cousin in most places either.

[@MAKExEVIL]

@@amyrenee1361 What facts do you base your faith on? Show us proof of life coming from non-life. Given the state of the scientific evidence we have today, to hold that life emerged on our planet spontaneously by chance is, in itself, an act of faith. It's been over 70 years since the Urey-Miller experiments were done and the only conclusion that can be drawn from all the scientific research done on abiogenesis is that life is so complex, even the simplest life form, that is crazy to claim that inanimate stuff could have organised itself into a living organism. The Athiest Fred Hoyle once said that it is akin to believing that a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a functional Boeing 747 from the materials therein. What was that about mental gymnastics again?

[@stephenpeppin5537]

@@amyrenee1361 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:19-21 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother Zechariah 7:9

[@StanleypeterDickinson]

Type 2 Diabetes Symptoms Excessive thirst Tiredness Thrush Mental Gymnastics overcome the anti-christ tactics. Burnout Happens! What's The Sound Of One Hand Clapping? Drastic Weight Loss. Dai Daley Welsh/ Irish Guy Aboriginee pygmy goats My Boomtown Rats Gotta Go Pied Piper Of Hamblyn? Where have all the flowers gone Long time passing Where have all the flowers gone long time ago? You shall reap what you sow What you've planted it shall grow. As you sow shall you reap What you give away? Cast your bread upon the waters. . . Easterlings Scarborough Fair Winds? £ Sterling Red Herrings National Debt National Lottery God is no man's debtor my mother used to say, Take your time young man! My mother used to say. 'Save your Coppers' What do you mean Public Servants? Some of them told me that they belong to 'The Crown' Is that the public house they frequent?

[@e.a.r.9155]

Simple: The Bible doesn't record every possible event in history.. but only that which we need to be forgiven of sins and make heaven our home..! THE REST WILL FIND OUT WHEN WE GET THERE.

[@Augcliffe]

I’m always baffled why this question comes up so often. It’s clear as day from the text.

[@user-re9vl8gg2k]

This gentleman was very interesting and spot on in calling out secularists who have no basis for their alleged moral judgments. I never watched him before, but I gladly will watch him again.

[@lionzion1879]

This guy is a creationist from Australia. He's actually brilliant at stumbling around his own words,and making claims without any evidence. He's the Aussie version of that American guy from living Waters, that used a banana to describe God's creation 😂😂.

[@Makeaocbartendagain2]

​@@lionzion1879 You are referring to Ray Comfort, the "bottom of the barrel of Christian apologists" as he's been called.

[@SincereFaith5.0]

His name is Ken Ham. He is (I believe) one of the best Christian thinkers when it comes to Creation. At least in the area of making practical connections; general studies in the area of Genesis. His staff also does a wonderful job at discussions on issues like the Flood; the Tower of Babel stuff like that.

[@user-re9vl8gg2k]

@SincereFaith5.0 Hello, thank you for the synopsis on what he covers, I appreciate it. I could definitely benefit from his teachings. Take care and may the Lord bless you with His true peace and joy.

[@Trollsagan69420]

Our morals are based on the principle of minimizing suffering. And unwittingly so is yours. It’s not that difficult.

[@cubbiescorner190]

Thank you, Mr. Ham. I appreciate your ministry!

[@susanpendell4215]

Thank you Dr. Ham for making sense with your explination.

[@sherryhaines4818]

Love this simplisticity Thank you brother Ken...

[@cyrilnorrie8450]

That is an excellent answer to that question. We all need to remember that our creator is the one who makes the rules and He doesn’t owe us an explanation for the way He rules His creation. Read the book of Job.

[@josephclancy3528]

Well if the creator believes in all this in-breeding he needs to have a good look at himself ! He can ask himself why he is selecting all the gay and pedophile priests as well !!!

[@faithbishop1444]

So He changes His mind?

[@BradyR95]

⁠@@faithbishop1444not sure where you could be getting the idea that anyone suggested God changing his mind. Seems like you are just looking for things to argue about

[@gabriellegiovanni7899]

This is a contradictory answer. It’s Dr. Ham, who is filling in with extra biblical analysis.

[@BradyR95]

@@gabriellegiovanni7899 he is not building doctrine off of “extra biblical analysis”. This is simply one possible solution to explain that the Bible isn’t contradicting itself. The Bible doesn’t give us a front to back encyclopedia on the origin of the earth and all mankind. It’s ok to say “this may be what happened”

[@inokesoroverebasaga139]

Thank you so much for answering this question sir. God bless you.

[@elroyfudbucker6806]

Ken Ham is Australia's gift to America. He's where he truly belongs, in the land where religious superstition dominates both the personal & political landscapes like in no other western nation. Let's hope he's taken up full US citizenship & renounced his Australian one.

[@rickn8or]

My question to you is "What did America ever do to Australia to merit such treatment?"

[@elroyfudbucker6806]

@@rickn8or Nothing. Ken Ham voluntarily moved to the U.S. precisely because fundamentalist christianity dominates life there so pervasively, unlike in Australia. Put simply, hardly anyone in Australia was listening to him, so it was a natural consequence that he go to where he could be heard. And building that ridiculous ark in Kentucky certainly got him noticed, by the fundamentalists & by the state & local government authorities. Ken is where he truly belongs.

[@Servant_Of_Yeshua_HaMashiach]

Very interesting point, thanks for sharing this with the world. 🌎

[@carterbishop2935]

Ken always puts things in perspective and speaks to the lay person, thank you.

[@davegaskell7680]

He speaks to the unthinking person.

[@ntkmw8058]

@@davegaskell7680Jesus Christ lived, died, and rose again. Also why is it so hard for you to believe in an eternal omniscient God

[@davegaskell7680]

@@ntkmw8058 it is "so hard" because the evidence just isnt there so there is no reason to think it is true.

[@kathleenking47]

Abram & Sarai were half siblings...same father Moses dad, got with his aunt

[@TyronSmith-yo5tt]

@@ntkmw8058 because the bible does not even represent it's god as omnipotent,omnipresent and omniscient.

[@dogboymalone11]

THANKS KEN. SAW YOU IN WINCHESTER, ENGLAND, ABOUT 21 YEARS AGO. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. GOD BLEES YOU SIR.

[@JonGrove-ub8cv]

But it still makes it morally wrong? If you have objective morality, something like incest, which we now consider so bad as to be a crime...why was it allowed? Objective means it's universal and is unaffected by context or opinion.

[@amishgirl1000]

Excellent. Thankyou Mr Ham

[@PastorBillwillard2147]

Exactly, thank you Dr. Ham

[@denisemaxwell51]

@denisemaxwell51 0 seconds ago As a Christian. Ken Ham is completely off the mark. Cain did not marry his sister, That atheist was right that would be immoral. God created all the races in Genesis 1.:27 Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. The earth was already populated when he (formed) Adam or (Aw-dawn) Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul Adam is (The Man having the Article) You should know the difference from school. the man, having the article. (Adam) for a special purpose= to till the ground, and this is the. line that Christ would come through. God would not have Cain be intimate with his sister (that's sick) have you never read Leviticus Chapter 18. v9 says this. Lev 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover. Nakedness = meaning to lay with (Below. is from the strongs concordance. עֶרְוָה ‛ervâh er-vaw' From H6168; nudity, literally (especially the pudenda) or figuratively (disgrace, blemish): - nakedness, shame, unclean (-ness). Ken Ham needs to read (Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.) I pray that God will open his eyes..

[@JonGrove-ub8cv]

Exactly what? It's still incest...

[@PastorBillwillard2147]

@@JonGrove-ub8cv wrong its not incest until God Says its no longer necessary to "Marry CLOSE Relatives" due to birth defects. According to you my friendand your logic it would still be incest today since we ALL marry a relative in the human line, we all come from ONe Set of parents.

[@alantasman8273]

Ken you and your ministries have reaffirmed the scripture accounts and impacted the lives of millions of believers. Thank you for all you and those affiliated with your calling have accomplished and continue to accomplish.

[@hansoak3664]

Very concise and spot on. Thanks.

[@hannahesinamkwawukume7317]

Thank you soo much Sir for this.

[@michelleduncan9965]

Such a great treatise Mr Hamm! Thank you. I will listen to this again a few times. I've wondered about this a fair amount over time since my career & education were medical & bio science based. A few years ago it occurred to me that the entry of original sin would certainly alter & damage the genome, AND, that God would allow only a certain amount of damage or alteration within His plan at specific points in time. I love that the answers are in the Word of God.

[@markb3786]

If God could allow as little or as much damage as he desired, then why have any damage at all? Why does perfect God want to make his creation imperfect? Makes no sense at all.

[@aigkenham]

Why Didn't God Make the World Perfect? - Answers in Genesis answersingenesis.org/blogs/bryan-osborne/2015/11/19/why-didnt-god-make-world-perfect/Posted by moderator

[@lindaduncan5541]

@@markb3786 He did create them perfect, but they chose to sin and go against the will of God. Therefore, God gave us free will, so we could choose to follow Him or not. We brought sin and imperfections into the world, not God.

[@diligenceeke3023]

​@@markb3786 Did you completely ignore the fact of the original sin which introduced the first imperfections in the genome, albeit gradually?

[@mrscience1409]

@@diligenceeke3023 Source? I could not find if and how the genome is affected by sin in the bible? I know how the genome is effected by radiation, chemicals, mutation, and genetic drift, but I could find nothing about the effects of sin. I couldn't really even determine what "sin" is. I guess it must involve eating some fruit from the wrong tree? Was there some chemotherapy in that fruit juice?

[@chastitydedmon6876]

Thank you Dr. Ham! Love you so much! I enjoy your teaching!

[@joshuadecker4512]

Does Ken Ham actually have a doctorate?

[@ari3lz3pp]

The way I read Genesis seemed to imply that there were women that were created by other means separate from Adam and Eve. So Adam and Eve were the first and there was lineage from them, their sons married daughters of men from outside of their own line is how I understood it. I am surprised that Ken Ham did not come to this conclusion. So it is worth explaining the possibility that they were related. Can ham has understood that there are things like the possibility of dinosaurs being described within the Bible but since we did not have the same entomology to describe them, It's simply not obvious. As well as the fact that the Bible obviously does not explain every single detail as we would not be able to even comprehend it. There's a lot of genealogy within Genesis but they do not describe the genealogy of other nations such as many of the people in Egypt. I just finished reading Genesis, I like to compare about five different versions of the Bible starting with the oldest that I can understand. I cannot yet understand Greek or Hebrew enough to read any of the originals. But at least not sticking to the last few centuries alone. I was pleasantly surprised to finally realize that we all descend from Noah's lineage. Gentiles and Jews descend from his children's offspring. I do not see anything that definitively states that there were marriages aside from cousins within the book of Genesis. Somebody mentioned the fact that Adam and Eve would have been the most pure and so they could have possibly not had detriment with siblings having intimate relations. But I truly did not get that from reading any version. And though it was not until Levitical law (I think ) , It does state pretty clearly that people having close blood relations are not to be reproducing. There could have been an allowance for this earlier for all we know. But that seems inconsistent in my opinion. I don't know of any other circumstance in which the law defined later insinuates that it was okay to do those things beforehand. Such as murder for example. The first murder, of Able by Cain was obviously not ok. Just as the sins of those that washed away with the flood.

[@grimlund]

​@@joshuadecker4512Yeah. He is a doctor in delusion.

[@joshuadecker4512]

@@grimlund lol, I’m not comfortable making claims about history that’s that ancient but I went to the ark encounter and it was kinda cringe honestly.

[@joshuadecker4512]

@@grimlund lol, I’m not comfortable making claims about history that’s that ancient but I went to the ark encounter and it was kinda cringe honestly.

[@DroseMr]

Intresting🎉Thank You

[@kaitiscarlett9022]

After a few generations passed, the proximity of relations began to spread out, so brothers might not have had to marry sisters; they could have married cousins several times removed. This was entirely possible because they lived significantly longer than we do today.

[@caseiriks7169]

Couple of things to consider, 1, Cain was scared everyone was going to kill him after God marked him when he killed Able, if there was only him and Adam , who were all those he was scared of?. 2, Cain went to the land of Nod and built a city, Nod interpreted is Nomad, so there must have been nomads already there, that's why he built the city for and got his wife from.

[@cowel8734]

I agree. Its seems odd that people could instantly build and fill cities. Where did Cain's descendants learn all of these skills?

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@cowel8734 Dr. Ruth.

[@mikeheckman4995]

I believe that Cain’s response of fear was based upon God’s directive to “be fruitful and multiply…” Also, the lifespan was much longer prior the great flood. It wouldn’t take much time to build a large enough population to construct a city. And finally, Cain may have married his sister, but he may have also married a niece or a descendent a few generations down the line that was much younger than he was.

[@drscience243]

@@mikeheckman4995 That explanation does not work if you follow the narrative of the story. That is all ad hoc coping to make the story fit your belief.

[@mikeheckman4995]

@@drscience243 What doesn’t fit “the narrative?”

[@apterachallenge]

Adam and Eve were genetically perfect at creation, so their offspring were also largely free of genetic blemishes, therefore intermarriage of those siblings didn't create genetic defects in their offspring. It was only in later generations that genetic imperfections would have crept in and therefore Moses was given the law that prohibits intermarriage of close relatives.

[@michelleduncan9965]

I quite agree Apter. That makes sense. Also & above all ... God was in charge & deciding how much consequence of sin (genetic errors) to restrain as time went on.

[@drscience243]

Modern humans existed for over 200,000 years before adam and eve would have existed. And there was never a man named Exodus and Moses was not real.

[@ljss6805]

Yeah, that's not how genetics works... lol.

[@ndjarnag]

lolz

[@apterachallenge]

@@ljss6805 Wow, I found a genetic scientist randomly in the KZbin comments section. Explain to me, oh genius scientist, enlighten me with your insights and I will bow down to your superior knowledge. Or maybe I will trust the science I know rather than the stranger I don't know.

[@rdkirk3834]

Very good discourse. Thanks.

[@malcolmthompson8529]

Very good explanations.

[@sandycheney660]

This may have been stated already, but just studying the generations of Egyptian kings and pharaohs shows how they declined by intermarrying. It shows also in the history of the British royalty that intermarried. The descendants were so badly affected by it and lived very sad lives.

[@chrissingletary2876]

So were several other royal bloodlines because they refused to intermingle and kept marrying inside the royal family. The genetic malformity is a curse from God. He is not the author of incest (which He would have been had Cain been required to marry his sister) and it doesn't extend to Cain and Seth but they would have had to inbreed among 1rst cousins. THe truth is that Genesis 1:26-31 are not Adam and Eve but a separate creation of humans. I have proved this in a podcast I did myself on it.

[@krazzykracker2564]

Yes. Its not talked about in scientific communities because it disproves evolution. The fact is we all are degrading not evolving. We have a finite amount of generations until we cannot breed. We try to slow it down by not marrying family.

[@alwayspooh1588]

That explains Prince Harry!!!

[@canuck81]

@@alwayspooh1588 explains all of them

[@thedogrunner]

It's wonderful to see you. Subscribed. Great lesson. Very practical.

[@donnastormer9652]

Thank you for clarifying that biblically

[@Terabapu3156]

Thankyou Sir.❤

[@seeker3349]

Jajaja the way he is answering the question like he is tired 😅😅😅. Is true, spiritual blindness os a thing and he is very patient

[@bscroll]

Like he is tired? He doesn't look 20 years old to me...

[@johnthreefifteen]

As I was looking at Ancestry’s recommendations for relative, I can across a relationship that mirrors what is stated here. In looking at the family tree of a distant cousin, I found the name, “Mary Little Basket” which was on my tree. In looking at his wife’s tree, in the same five or so generations back was this same “Mary Little Basket”.

[@daniellimbeck3473]

Good word!!! 👍👍🙌🙌

[@ryansamuel1868]

Great question Something i have pondered about myself

[@RickV-tn4qc]

Best comedy channel ever!!!!!

[@garymacdougall4465]

Yup. He's a joke and absolute Farce!

[@MFizzle777]

I'll also add that they lived for houndres of years so a given couple could have many children increasing the odds for Cain to eventuality find even a gran niece to marry or someone of a later generation!

[@pfknob]

That's exactly what Cain did - he married a niece.

[@davegaskell7680]

@@pfknob It's only a story, a tale, a parable, allegorical. Not meant to be taken literally.

[@pfknob]

@@davegaskell7680 I disagree.

[@davegaskell7680]

@@pfknob It's a pity that there's no way of knowing how to tell whether the talking snake tempting Eve to eat the apple, for example, is supposed to be taken literally, or whether it's supposed to be a message / parable / allegorical tale? My view that it's a parable/story etc. is based on the complete disconnect between the things stated in the story and what we know about the universe we live in.

[@pfknob]

@@davegaskell7680 I agree that it is certainly a challenge. I try to let the Spirit lead, coupled with common-sense. What has been a tremendous advantage is to read wide and far in various sources, i.e., Pseudepigrapha: Life of Adam & Eve, Testament of Adam & Eve, Discourse on the Abbaton (the best!!), etc. With those additional resources, you can begin to see patterns and connect the dots better. One thing that I am completely decided upon is that man did not evolve from a lower life form. The earth, and all of its inhabitants, in various stages of development, were around for perhaps millions upon millions of years - however long it took to get the earth ready for the introduction of the human race. Adam and Eve were the first humans, formed in the image of God, male and female. Another suggestion for you is to consider using the Atonement of Jesus Christ, the plan of salvation, and the temple ordinances as a common reference point throughout scriptures. All the best.

[@TheBibleDefenders]

You are a great man, Sir. God loves you and so do I! I thank the Lord also for men like Henry Morris and his son. Kent Hovind id an UNSUNG HERO of the FAITH too. He suffered false imprisonment and much shame for his service, he will be blessed and IS blessed I'm quite sure he would say despite his hard road. Your ministry has been maligned so hard it's unbelievable. Did God promise you a good time, peaches and cream if you wanted to do things in HIS NAME and for HIS KINGDOM? NO. We all knew, those that FEAR the LORD that there is a COST for serving HIM. But GOD gave you the SPIRIT of a LION, even though you are outwardly gentle and kind and in real life I suspect also. So I have only one word left you and I don't say it to many Preachers. Godspeed

[@jayjackson1562]

Excellent! ❤

[@blakepwoods]

Doing a lot of logical gymnastics to come to this conclusion. I’m sure Ken Ham would not call God a moral relativist in any other context, but he seems happy to come to that conclusion for this particular problem.

[@sjackson9264]

It’s actually a simple answer he gives

[@lydiawhitting5406]

My mother asked this question in scripture school as a child .. I'm nearly 64.. she was told to keep quiet😂. Whilst she was a believer she never felt the need to church go because i don't think she had faith in their ideas.

[@philiprobinson2011]

You don't have to believe the nonsense in the bible to believe in God. The bible is the work of man and does not stand up to even the briefest scrutiny. You only have to realise that scholars and religious leaders have been arguing over the meanings in the bible for the last two thousand years or more and there are as a result many different branches of Christianity, all believing different things.

[@kathleeningram3880]

​@@philiprobinson2011the bible is the true word of God written by man with the divine interpretation from the holy spirit. Always has been and always will be no matter what you think or say. I will say a prayer for you 🙏🙏

[@philiprobinson2011]

@@kathleeningram3880 So you say, but of course there is absolutely no evidence to support any divine involvement, although I do agree with you that it was written by man. I would also add that if the Holy Spirit, whatever that is, did influence what was written, then why is it so ambiguous, contradictory and factually incorrect? Surely, if it was written with divine intervention, it would have at least been simple to understand and it would not have required clerics over two thousand years to interpret and argue over its meaning?

[@chamberlainmiller2991]

Keeping it simple and biblical, love it

[@dystar112]

Thank you 🙏

[@outsideview9052]

I just wanted to make the suggestion to you that Cain and Abel were not necessarily the first children born to Adam and Eve. They were just the first ones specifically described in the bible. This doesnt make any big difference in doctrine but it is an interesting fact to think about.

[@christophertaylor9100]

God told Eve that as a result of the curse, giving birth would be painful -- how would she even understand what that meant or what the difference was if they'd never had any children previously?

[@outsideview9052]

@@christophertaylor9100 You are talking about consequences of the "Fall" of Adam and Eve rather rather than the "curse" on the Earth that caused it to produce thorns & thistles rather than spontaneously produce food bearing plants. All God said to Eve is that he would "muliple her sorrow and her conception" in bringing forth children. Adam and Eve never did, nor could they, have children before the Fall. They had many children and then the Bible describes the birth of Cain and Able because of the importance they end up playing in the history of this dispensation.

[@christophertaylor9100]

@@outsideview9052 There is nothing in the Bible that says that Adam and Eve could not have children before the fall, it just doesn't say.

[@outsideview9052]

@@christophertaylor9100 It does say that if you recoognize it. They were immortal in the Garden and so 'innocent" that they didnt even know they were naked. That carnal knowledge of "good and evil" came after the Fall. The Fall was actually necessary for us to fulfill the purpose of our creation which was for us to live by faith on this earth where we could accept Christs Atonement and become perfected so that we could return to our Father in Heaven. Just living in the Garden of Eden in the presence of God with no temptation etc makes no sense and provides no purpose. I just thought I would share my thoughts about the good questions this girl asked in the video above. Realizing that Cain and Abel were not necessarily the first children born ads some insite into those questions. Best of luck to you.

[@alantasman8273]

@@outsideview9052 In Genesis 1:28 ...God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Procreation was not considered sin by God...because he designed man and woman to be able to procreate. "Carnal knowledge" was encouraged by God.

[@garytakvorian6204]

Simply superb and superbly simple. Praise the Lord

[@JD-yq3dd]

Well said!

[@melanievierth6120]

well explained...🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@stevenbrown7852]

That's awesome thanks

[@gregblake2764]

People seem to overlook the fact that Eve was the first human clone (that's how God made her). For every human being that has ever existed, the cells that make up our bodies are the offspring of those first human cells God created when he made Adam. So indeed, we are all tightly related.

[@cowel8734]

If she was a clone, then she'd be male and look like Adam I imagine there is more to the story that we aren't told

[@bscroll]

I don't think that anyone needs more information about it. Only God-haters want to force to get some infos about literally everything, or "they won't believe." You can answer 10000 questions, but if you can't answer 1, then "Christianity is stupid." Try to find the logic.@@cowel8734

[@wogeibe]

I took Eve naming Cain "gotten" as a subtle hint that she had already bore some daughters prior to him. She was excited that she finally bore a boy that she said she had "gotten" a man from the Lord.

[@pamelamorrisonn]

Very possible

[@Sum-Ting-Wong71]

Was that quote from Eve not in reference to Seth's birth?

[@wogeibe]

@@Sum-Ting-Wong71 Seth's name means "appointed," because God appointed her another son after the death of Abel.

[@jasongates-]

@@Sum-Ting-Wong71 I know what you're talking about. Yes, Eve was happy to have Seth because he replaced Abel after Abel's death.

[@scottcooksey5284]

You are overlooking what is right in front of you.

[@AE-Psalm91]

Truth ! Thank u❤

[@rf6255]

Powerful amen so true you explained this so Bible amen

[@jasongates-]

People forget about Seth, too. I've always pondered why people think Adam and Eve only had the ... (you mentioned Seth, too, but) ... the people I've heard think only the two sons (Cain and Abel), just because the Bible doesn't expressly mention the sisters in particular, outright, or name them specifically, like it does Cain and Abel. (People think "content" and they forget "context"). It's like, where do people think Cain got his wife? Aliens? Duh! Adam had more than just the three sons. People don't think ahead or outside the box. The other reason is because, like you mentioned, incest. People are so into "Oh, that's incest, and that's disgusting," that they forget that the first people didn't have any choice but to do so. Again, who else were they going to marry? The Boogie Man? So, once again, "Duh, people!" We would have gone extinct at Cain and Abel if people today were the ones around back then (at the time of Cain and Abel). While we will never know exactly how many children Adam and Eve actually had, because the Bible does not tell us exactly how many, I counted that they had at least nine children. Five sons and four daughters. Because of the verse you mentioned, that says "Other sons and daughters." So, Cain, Abel, Seth, it mentions Cain married, it mentions Seth married (so, that's five), and then the verse that says "other sons and daughters." So, that would be at least two other sons (cause it's in the plural in that verse), and at least two other daughters (cause it's in the plural in that verse). That's how I counted a minimum of nine children that Adam and Eve had (five sons and four daughters). So, if people want to say they only had nine (five sons and four daughters), I would say they're safe assuming that, since the text says what it says, and it leaves it at that. But we will never know, for sure, how many Adam and Eve had. By the way, I once looked through Leviticus 18 in order to find out how closely we can marry, biblically, and it mentions every possible relation that is banned, but it leaves "cousin" out of the list. Because, like you said, we're all related. I wanted to know exactly how far removed before we could marry, based on Bible. And because Leviticus 18 completely leaves out "cousin" entirely, that told me that the Bible might allow for first cousins to marry. Because, we're all technically marrying our cousin, and because that chapter did not mention "cousin" at all. It's just our preference as to how close we want that cousin to be. So, different places have different laws on how close the cousin can be. But then different cultures also think differently (separately from laws). Some places might still go second or third cousin (Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip were third cousins, and Virginia law allows second cousins). While other places might think 50th cousin is too close (most people in the United States). But if you go out and ask people "how close before you're willing," they might all shut you down and leave, cause they all think "ew" to it, even if it's 50,000th cousin. Cause all they see is "That's incest." Well then, they won't be able to marry, at all, with that mindset, since all humans are related to each other.

[@MGAF688]

It sounds like you're from Shelbyville.

[@jasongates-]

@@MGAF688 Never heard of Shelbyville.

[@mr.b2107]

Ever read the Bible??? It gives a record. Have ye not read how God created man and woman and all the races on the 6th day. Adam and Eve were a separate created family after God rested on the 7th day. Cain easily found a wife in the land of Nod. Just as the Bible says. She was part of the 6th day creation. Eve is the mother of all living for a important different reason. And that is Christ would be born of Eves seed line and be the savior of all. What is with you guys? Can't you read scriptures?

[@mrsupchurch2987]

@@mr.b2107whoa. Where did you get these ideas? Adam and Eve created AFTER the 6th day. Please share scripture for this idea.

[@codymadison9993]

When you’re told to be fruitful and multiply and you also happen to love over 900 years, that’s a lot of people being created as it spreads out.

[@johnnyllooddte3415]

GOD provided her.. HE could have even made other people.. but most probably she was a sister.. and back then they were genetically pure and perfect

[@blukas76]

I've always wondered about this verse after Adam and Eve ate of the fruit. "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children." What did God multiply it from? Were Adam and Eve already having children before Seth? Multiply thy sorrow from what?

[@baxbax8701]

Absolutely right! How in the name of all that is holy did we all get here if not for this type of relationship when it was necessary?

[@DonovanJ95]

Genuine question: When Abel was cast out, he says that people will kill him. Where did the populaces of the cities they went to come from? How did they get there? In the first books of Genesis it makes mention of several instances of them living in populated areas, and marrying women who werent begat in their genealogy. Where did the other unrelated people come from?

[@grimlund]

Those people were the sons of Odin.

[@Augcliffe]

They lived for hundreds of years

[@DonovanJ95]

@@Augcliffe Yes, but where did they come from? lol you know, the bible actually says in Genesis 1, before Adam and Eve came on the scene, that God made Male and Female, and commissioned them to be fruitful andmultiply, and that their food would be the fruits of the Earth, etc. It kind of answers this question in that, and this is my possibly erroneous understanding, there were actually people on Eath prior to Adam and Eve, He just chose them for a specific purpose. It doesn't actually say that they're the only humans on Earth

[@Augcliffe]

@@DonovanJ95 Genesis 1 is the generic Birds Eye view of the 7 days events. Genesis 2 goes into the specifics about man’s creation on Day 6. That’s how I read it.

[@albertsautter4077]

Cain was cast out after killing Abel. The other people he’s worried about would be the other descendants of Adam and Eve Adam was 130 when Seth was born(which I’m theorizing happened around 9 months after Cain was banished) There’s no way of knowing how old Adam was when he was expelled from Eden, but assuming he was maybe 20-30, that would mean by the time Seth was born, Adam and Eve would have been having children and their children having children and so on for 100 years

[@billygoat5091]

Jacob had two wives,maybe because of the deciet of Laban. But this did occur.Probably others had a wife plus concubines, such as David and Solomon.I have heard many dark reasons that were non biblical guesses, but yours is the most truthful according to what we know scripturely about marriages of Adam and Eves kids.

[@mammasrose5525]

I’ve never understood why this was such a “gotcha” question.😂 I knew the answer when I was 6 or 7!

[@NathDataScientist]

This answer is spot on. Each time there seem to be confusion the best way to answer is to use the scripture to interprete scripture Acts 17 vs 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

[@Exegesis66]

Too bad there is no such thing as "scripture interprets scripture." It's only your presuppositional worldview interpreting scripture then applying that to interpret other scripture in order for it to affirm your original presupposition. I.e., confirmation bias. Atleast, 99% of the time, that's how I see christians applying that principle.

[@MultiAlphaZ]

Yes I've been saying this for a long time 👍👍... And Seth was probably born within a year or so of Abel's death (murder) by Cain, so Adam and Eve I find difficult to believe that logically they only had TWO children in that first 130 years! But people seem to make assumptive conclusions based on 'omissions' in Scripture. But if we read it ALL it ALL connects PERFECTLY 😊🙏🏽

[@Exegesis66]

Oh now you care about logic, but that gets thrown out when e.g., putting dinosaurs on the Ark? God saved all the dinosaurs just to let 99.9% of them die immediately after? Admitted by Ham man. Or faced w the reality of light from distant stars and the age of the earth? Lol. "Logic" is not a trait of fundamentalism.

[@MichelleNovalee]

It’s so short sighted to say that others who are secular don’t have a moral basis.

[@davegaskell7680]

I agree, but it's futile to try to persuade religious fundamentalists that secular people are capable of having a sense of right and wrong.

[@user-ei6ci4cy2r]

We agree you know right from wrong. That's the basis by which you'll be judged. Your morality however is not based on absolute truth. It's based in cultural dictates. Those vary drastically

[@davegaskell7680]

@@user-ei6ci4cy2r Presumably the biblical morality is supposedly based on absolute truth? The bible gives guidance on how to keep slaves. Is it an absolute truth that it's OK to keep slaves or was it just a cultural dictate of the time the bible was written? The bible has many examples of God issuing instructions to carry out genocide of entire groups of people including children. Is the genocide of peoples including children an absolute truth or was that just a cultural dictate of the time the bible was written. The moral lessons from the bible are quite horrible when considered in our current times and culture. Morality is relative and changes over time.

[@user-ei6ci4cy2r]

@@davegaskell7680 God is the standard for absolute truth. You don't have to like it, but you will have to bow to it someday.

[@davegaskell7680]

@@user-ei6ci4cy2r The biblical God might be your standard for morality but I set my bar higher than that.

[@kathrynkathryn2571]

The word of God is so important in the world. it guides us, it blesses us, it teaches faith and in most of all we learn the greatest of all through the word of God which is Love. I thank God for blessing me with the grace of spotting opportunities when I call on him. I am blessed with the $16000 for my daughter's surgery. I will worship God forever and thank you all for joining hands in praying for me as God has provided for me, he will provide for anybody here in need. Amen

[@gabrielrousseau958]

In agriculture they use seeds that are closest to the mother seed to produce seeds for planting crops. Mother seed is preferred because it would contain less mutation defects. Therefore applying this principle of creation to humans it's perfectly understandable that brothers could marry sisters with minimal or no mutation defects, being so close to the original created humans.

[@drscience243]

but by now, we would all be mongoloids. In order to maintain unfatal genetic diversity, there must be a population of at least 500 individuals.

[@johnnybigg7772]

Not all just some, like you 🤣

[@davegaskell7680]

You are absolutely 100% wrong. Just do some very basic research into how seed producers create seeds from open pollinated crops.

[@gabrielrousseau958]

@@davegaskell7680 better than that I worked with seed producers.

[@gabriellegiovanni7899]

It’s not hard to answer, it’s just hard to get a good answer. Noticed that these seminarians never tackle the question of, “Who were the men who were going to kill Cain if he didn’t have a mark protecting him?” Or, “Why did Cain build a city for people who did not exist?” They never seem to have difficulty coming up with explanations that are extra biblical, though.

[@chrissingletary2876]

You are spot on. It is because they did exist and that is where Cain and Seth got wives from. They are the Genesis 1:26-31 people which were not Adam and Eve.

[@douglasharbert3340]

​@@chrissingletary2876So, you think God created people other than Adam and Eve and just happened to not mention them by name anywhere in the Bible? 😉

[@chrissingletary2876]

@@douglasharbert3340 Absolutely. The only people whom the bible really follows is through the Adam bloodline. Adam was the patriarch and Eve was the matriarch of humanity, but they were not he progenitors of it. The messiah would come through what amounts to the royal human bloodline. They are also not totally ignored but alluded to throughout the early writings. Why did Cain build a city named after his son Enoch if there was only 5 people total on earth? Genesis 4:17 17, And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Also that is who the "sons of God" are in Genesis 6 that have been falsely attributed to angels. 1, And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3, And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4, There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5, And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them. Notice that God was destroying MAN for the wickedness of MAN's heart, not angels. No human can resist an angel. One killed 185,000 assyrian soldiers. This wasn't about a polluted bloodline with angels, this was about MEN. sons of God (not THE Son of God), is a term given to created beings. It was applied to angels in Genesis 6 because if you believe that only Adam and Eve were the progenitors of all mankind, then they had to come from somewhere and the rest of the OT. that IS who they are talking about. So why do I say that Genesis 6 are humans? Because the men of Gensis 1:26-31 are created beings. The men of that creation were polygamists and "taking" wives of "ALL" of which they chose. Luke chapter 3 calls Adam what? A son of God because he was a created being. He was not an angel either but he was created. Same with the Genesis 1:26-31 people. Luke 3:38 38, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. The daughter of men are just the offspring of the created men. Just like Seth was a son of man, these daughters were "sons of men". This is talking about offspring. sons of God references the original created men.

[@CamirrasKitchen]

The men that were going to kill Cain would be his other brothers or relatives. the bible doesnt tell you that Eve didnt have any other children after Cain other than Seth. So it could have been Cain, Able, a bunch of other kids, then after Cain's death Seth. Also, Able could have been married to a sister and had kids. so It also could have been his nephews. We also dont know the ages of Cain or Able when Able was murdered. It very well could have been the they were both up in age, thus Able could have had a whole family line going by the time he was murdered

[@chrissingletary2876]

@@CamirrasKitchen You are making assumptions. That is exactly how bad interpretation works and false traditions are born. I have already laid out the case that 1) Adam could not have been the people referred to in Genesis 1, and 2) Incest was, is, and will always be a sin. God did not AUTHOR incest so if you want to attribute that to him you take that up with God that he is double minded then since it is plain it is a sin.

[@bonnieyates140]

Eve was once inside of Adam part of Adam's skeleton a rib bone. So she started out a physical part of Adam, so they were one and God separated them and breathed life into both of them the brothers and sisters for put together, still all from one person Adam. The blood was still pure an uncontaminated so when the brothers and sisters breeded the breeds were still pure

[@davegaskell7680]

What stopped them being pure?

[@katie7748]

I've heard the same asked about after the Flood. Only 8 people left so...Sweet Home Alabama it was!

[@Sarah-psalm127]

Although after the flood there were at least cousins to marry. Because the sons had already had wives that were not of their family. Not quite the same.

[@mrscience1409]

There was no flood.

[@James_Hough]

Ham Shem and Japheth were already married and their wives were on the ark, so.....

[@davegaskell7680]

It's a story. It's allegorical. Genesis is not meant to be taken literally.

[@Sarah-psalm127]

@davegaskell7680 Genesis literally reads as a history book. You may make the argument for the first few chapters of creation, but it is incredibly clear that the rest is intended to be taken literally with genealogies and everything.

[@donn07]

AMEN ❤

[@tedpatriot2963]

Sin is carried in the genes, a very interesting concept.

[@alwayspooh1588]

If true, then it can be edited out by gene editing. Imagine the possibilities - no sin = God like, and immortal in the flesh!

[@tedpatriot2963]

@@alwayspooh1588 it's indelible!

[@alwayspooh1588]

Not so. If it is in a gene, which it is not as it is part of our 'nature' then it could be edited. Jesus had the same genetic make up as any human, but was without sin. Why? He did not inherit a sinful 'nature', just the genetic make up of DNA that all humans have. If sin were a gene, it would have been eradicated eons ago.@@tedpatriot2963

[@cadentingelhoff2575]

I’m not sure if you are saying that you think sin being carried in the genes is actual a possibly, but if you are I would just like to warn you that it would mean that God created us evil. Us just existing would be evil because our bodies are carriers of sin. Which, doesn’t really make any sense. Sin is an act, and while you can be in a state of sin, it is not something carried by our bodies. And if it were indelible, we would have no chance for redemption as we would also be carrying sin, or whatever you mean by sin being carried in the genes. By the way, when I say state of sin, I mean opposed to the state of grace which is obtained at baptism through God working with man through the sacrament. When we become a new creation after the seed of sanctifying grace is placed in us along with the indelible spiritual mark that comes with it that we have been baptized.

[@alwayspooh1588]

Baptism does not equal salvation. Imagine the thief on the cross, did Jesus say to him "well, if you could get down, and get baptised, then you would be with me in paradise. However, as you cannot, you're going to burn". No, what must I do to be saved?? Believe in the heart and confess with the tongue! That is it, and to be honest, everything else can be reduced to not as needed.@@cadentingelhoff2575

[@hanichay1163]

Since people lived so long a man could have married a sister he never lived with in a family situation. Just a thought.

[@blusheep2]

That is an interesting thought.

[@AndrewPriscott-pd1zv]

Ken can I ask you a question back in them Biblical days of Cain and Able marrying their sisters did they also play the banjo ? (Deliverance style)

[@theduck1972]

There may be also a design factor not being considered that might not just apply to other animals, but us as well. I saw a study mentioned years back that certain species of gorillas, when the population become very small for whatever reason, interbreeding occurs with no detrimental effect. Then after the population grows the females start to leave and search out other bands of their species and others start showing up to that community from other bands. What signals this is what has them baffled.

[@sorinankitt]

Very true. Yet, what is strange to think about is that Adam and Eve and each one of their children never had grandparents, aunts, uncles, or cousins and they are the only ones in history with that aspect. After their generations, every person, even if a single child with no siblings, have grandparents and cousins and at least a great or great great aunt and uncle.

[@davegaskell7680]

It's a story. It's not meant to be take literally.

[@user-pz5jp6fc8j]

Oh there's so much more. The Hidden Realm of the divine council, the Nephalim, the giants in the land. Look into Dr. Michael Heiser.

[@timojazz6829]

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

[@karenhall4645]

I'm so glad to hear a rational answer to this question without turning into some huge problem like suggesting a Biblical conspiracy.

[@MrKillahippo]

it could have been their nephews and nieces were there to marry Cain, since he was an out cast for a while Living 900 years could get you a pretty big brew of sons and daughters , even to the 3th and 4th gen before Cain ended up with a wife. don't have a problem with that.

[@drscience243]

Except, humans can only live a maximum of 125 years. And if humans lived that long, it would negate the ability to adapt into the many varieties we see today. a 900 year old human claim should be enough to dismiss the entire story as myth.

[@mrscience1409]

One problem. A woman is born with a million eggs, all she will ever have. She slowly loses them over a period of about 25-30 years. If Eve lived 930 years and bore all these sons and daughters, she would have needed to carry 36 million eggs. Her ovaries would be the size of a basket ball. Humans lifespan is fixed at a natural limit around 122 years.

[@JimKalpa-qd9zr]

As I read it, within 100 years he fathered Cain, able, Seth and many other sons and daughters. They were all adults too with their own families all inside 100 years, but those 3 were the main characters in the story. This happens all the time in our short lifespans. I have children, they grow up get married and have my grandchildren. I know people who got married young and even saw them have great-grandchildren. And Adam lived over 900 years as they all did back then. This is a no- brainer.

[@JimKalpa-qd9zr]

​​@@mrscience1409like Adam, eve was genetically perfect. I don't believe her reproductive ability was anything like today. Living 900 years her body and faculties did not break down like us today. My mother's great-grandmother from the old country lived to 110 and is documented by the government. My wife's mother was 99 and was sprite physically and mentally and walked liked a running child. Her sister was 101. So imagine at 101, eve was like a 20 year old today. Even at 500 years old.

[@mrscience1409]

@@JimKalpa-qd9zr No one lives 900 years. This is a bed time story. Since it is a bed time story, we need to treat is as such. In the 3 bears, there was Papa Bear, Momma Bear and Baby Bear. We do not consider that Bears have cubs once per year and often twins, so we can't assume there were many more bears in the house but they already ate their porridge and went outside to doodoo in the woods. The reason we know that until Seth, there were no other children is because the story doesn't say there were.

[@jessezandee9282]

The more important question is who is Cain afraid of? The sibling hypothesis doesn’t make sense here

[@jessezandee9282]

@@pamb5186 and if the text said that, then that would be a fine takeaway. All it says is “whoever.” Which brings me to one of the main flaws in Ken’s thinking. If the text does not authoritatively state something, then we are just trying to fill in the gaps

[@pamb5186]

@@jessezandee9282 I had deleted my comment but appreciate your respectful response. I went back and read it - my interpretation is that Cain and God were referring to any siblings that might take retribution for murdering Abel. I believe this because the Bible does not tell of God creating humans apart from Adam and Eve and their descendants.

[@Kunoichi139]

I dropped out of college for a reason. And i went to a pretty "conservative" one. I recommend Weimar for anyone who wants to go to an SDA college.

[@carolcole570]

KEN, were you ever located outside of Atlanta…….years ago ?❤️

[@robbennett3704]

I don't think copulation ever took place among closer relations than Adam and Eve--she was taken out of his side! Nobody tends to think it was weird or gross when they "knew" each other. While I understand the instinct to ponder this inquiry in the physical realm, let's be honest: if we believe the creation account in Genesis, it also would not have been too difficult for God to create women for Adam and Eve's sons to marry. That said, due to the finality of the creation account, the fact that the Bible clearly says Adam and Eve continued having both sons and daughters, and other Biblical clues tied to the timing of direct commands God gave man in Genesis, I am persuaded that they married their sisters as well.

[@333Cherubim._.]

We tend to take the work of our own hands more then GOD'S, we don't come out the rib anymore😮 In Gen 1:26-31 GOD gave instructions to them and said all trees are for you, in genesis 2 LORD GOD said the tree of KNOWLEDGE was off limits. While you can imagine scenarios i recommend sticking with logical scripture

[@davegaskell7680]

It's quite obviously a story, a metaphor. None of Genesis is meant to be taken literally.

[@Stevelemontrudy]

You win the gold medal for mental gymnastics.

[@gabriellegiovanni7899]

Back at you. Love the Corinthians quote. I think we have a huge problem in Christian leadership today. Does the Bible not say few should seek to teach? I think there are way too many seminarians trying to justify their keep by claiming to know everything. I don’t claim to know. I just seek further enlightenment every day.

[@nathan1sixteen]

I’m still waiting for someone to give me the Bible verse that says “one man with one woman”. It clearly says it needs to be man and woman, and it says a woman shouldn’t have more than one husband, but it never says a husband can’t have more than one wife. In fact, there are numerous Old Testament instances where it appears that having multiple wives was a good thing!

[@lonecrusaider]

This comment section is disturbing.

[@garymacdougall4465]

Sheeple are ever so easily led astray! The blind leading the blind!

[@e.k.4203]

100% correct. Thank you, sir. Well said. As mankind grew in wickedness, sin infected them more and more until abnormalities started appearing. Now Yahweh steps in and says, “Ok, no more of that.”

[@michelleduncan9965]

Actually Yahweh says: "Ok, I've told you countless times .... but you keep sinning ... so enough ... I'm giving you over to it, & you will have to deal with the consequence of your sin & your ongoing lack of repentence & real change."

[@Golden_writes550]

Good old Tradition... This what the Church teaches, Scripture, tradition and church father's.😇

[@oldmangames6593]

Amen!!

[@Diana-xm1dm]

Of course it's not that hard, if you considered that Eve came from Adam's rib. And, Adam came from dust. Jeremiah 32:27 New King James Version 27 “Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me?

[@MikeJones-ti1cb]

My thoughts are as Ken said sin has caused a lot of problems, on top of that with the great flood there was a genetic bottleneck.

[@johnryan6658]

There was no worldwide flood. If you think there was, maybe you could explain it to the Egyptians and the Chinese.

[@juniorjones169]

Very sad interpretation of what happened in the garden. Good thing the Bible says those that hungry and thrust after his righteousness shall be filled!

[@nkululekokhoza3139]

Amen

[@t222fox4]

Why do we not consider that Cain could have gotten his wife the same way Adam did?

[@Crustee0]

Because its more unreasonable and require more leap of logic. Nowhere in the Bible said God created other humans by His own hands, but Adam and Eve had multiple childrens. It requires less inference to guess that those childrens marry each other, than God somehow creating more sinful humans. Why does God create sinful humans? How many did He create? Etcetc, requires way more information to make sense than what the Bible provide compared to the alternative.

[@ifyouloveChristyouwillobeyhim]

By your logic, maybe we should assume that there's nothing special about the creation narrative and that God just spontaneously generates new beings whenever he wants to. Does it occur to you that there's a reason we're told in detail about the first man being created, the first woman being created, and the first baby being born? Does it occur to you that the beginning of the world is necessarily different from the rest of its time span?

[@radfoo72]

​@@Crustee0God didn't create sinful human beings. They were not sinful prior to the fall of mankind by way of lucifer.

[@Crustee0]

@@radfoo72 exactly? Read carefully what i said. Im saying if we interpreted God creating other humans, not Adam and Eve childs intermarrying then we have to assume God created sinful humans after Adam and Eve, which isnt written in the Bible.

[@radfoo72]

@@Crustee0 You are the one making that assumption but your assumption is flawed. Adam and Eve's descendants would be born into sinful nature but if God created more humans, they would have no former lineage, they would have new and different DNA from Adam and Eve essentially being perfect creations as Adam and Eve were before they sinned. But I'm being contrarian drawing this out, I do agree with one of your prior statements in which I believe you were referring to Occam's Razor- We should avoid stacking information in order to prove a theory if a simpler explanation fits the observations.

[@dianecollier7177]

I believe it would have been his sister

[@grimeybeast1465]

There's a phenomenon that occurs even today where parents and siblings who've never known each other, meet later in life. Unaware that they are related they fall in love. It's only when they go through the process of trying to get married that they find out the problem. This can occur with only a decade or so of separationg. Pre-flood humans lived for centuries. It's entirely possible to imagine brothers, sisters, and cousins who've never even seen each other, meeting and forming bonds within those vast spans of time.

[@davegaskell7680]

For the women that lived for centuries back then, how many years do you consider them to be capable of bearing children?

[@grimeybeast1465]

@@davegaskell7680 I have no idea. Any guess would be pure speculation. But for context, a few years ago, a friend of the family, who is a a great-great-great-grandmother, celebrated her 102nd birthday. She was born right after WWI. She and her husband married when she was 15, and she had her first daughter when she was 16. She had her last child, a son, when she was in her late 30's. She had a total of 13 children. Who themselves had children, who then had children, who then had children. There were four or five generations - nearly a hundred people - who owed their existence to that one woman. Pretty amazing. They were scattered all over the world, and it was a herculean act to get them all together again. The finally tally didn't include the 20 or so who had died along the way. Whether the Biblical reproductive cycle was longer than ours, or just as short, a couple of people can still generate A LOT of offspring. Add in polygamy, and one guy with 4 or 5 women could generate 40 or 50 children in a single generation.

[@richardburgett3858]

Also Eve was made from Adams rib, so that is closer than brother marrying sister meaning it was God's decision that brothers should marry sisters and it was ok at the beginning, but was not later on.