The Big PS5 Pro vs PC Debate: The Digital Foundry Take

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[@IanAllans]

whatsinmy AI fixes this. PS5 Pro vs PC debate summary.

[@s777tb]

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[@thedropman]

if you buy a new phone in less than 4 years you shouldnt be complaining.

[@AB-gi3qy]

I dont think $700 is all that bad, £700 on the other hand is an absolute joke.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Agreed. $700USD is up there, but it's not extreme. £700GBP on the other hand... Pro will be about $1300-$1400AUD 😮

[@slyman15]

In this economy, $700 is a disaster.

[@ChrisJohannsen]

​@@fcukugimmeausernameIt's $1200 AUD. We already know this.

[@Blag_Cog]

@@slyman15 I don't think its out of line given the specs you get in return. But I understand feeling its too expensive. But I think its fine as an option for the people who can afford it and want the upgrade.

[@StarkeksLP]

PS5 Pro + Disc drive + vertical stand = 950€ in the EU....everyone trying to defend that needs to stop their copium intakte immediatly

[@rayder3543]

Will PC have the same graphics/performance of a PS5 Pro at the same price? Most probably not. Is the PS5 Pro worth it compared to a PC costing the same? Most probably not. What most people, mistakingly, do is reducing PC to a mere "better graphics, better framerate" when it's actually much more, even without getting out of the gaming sphere: - All peripherals are compatible; - Games cost less; - Online play isn't locked behind a subscription; - Cloud savegames aren't locked behind a subscription; - Retrocompatibility is granted therefore you'll always keep games from previous generations without having to pay for a remaster; - Modding can completely change the way you play a game, whether it's for the better or even for fan games such as Fallout London, GTA RP or Skyblivion; - With emulation you can play exclusives from any console up to PS3 and almost PS4 (Switch included) with better graphics, framerate and controls; - You get better multitasking, better and easier to use forums, better communities and reviews; - You can play modern Playstation and Xbox exclusives on the same platform without having to choose between one or another (or having to buy them both). But to credit consoles, is a PC easier to build, use and maintain than a console? It is not; Is it difficult to do? If you have even a tiny bit of passion, it is not. If you care that much about comparisons or even Pro models, and you probably do since you're reading this under a Digital Foundry video, you probably have what it takes to daily drive and maintain a PC, just inform yourself on forums, Reddit etc.

[@ajdaniel8128]

If PC gaming was the best way to play, then consoles wouldn't exist

[@southsidetherealest2860]

​@@ajdaniel8128Consoles would still exist everybody cant handle PC

[@ajdaniel8128]

@@southsidetherealest2860 Everybody already has a PC in 2024 for other purposes but many of them do not need a gaming pc

[@bootybandit56]

I mean, you honestly probably could for 7-800$. And for 1k you could build a machine that shits on the Pro. For 800$, the gap is closing between console and PC prices, it has me starting to think more about PC in place of upgrading to a PS6 if Sony's current trajectory is anything to go by. If they are going all digital, may as well make my home base Steam where the digital refund policy isn't shit and I don't have to pay 80$+ dollars a year to simply play games online. I also guarantee that price will be even higher by then. Consoles are becoming less appealing by the year.

[@MarcoHernandez-nb5dc]

@@rayder3543 so the conclusion is : get a ps5 pro

[@rover1374]

End of the day, it’s a matter of pros and cons and depends on the experience you want. PS5 Pro is not bad in terms of pure cost for what you get, which is also dependent on global location. A PC will always have the potential for more raw power and the ability to customize. PC games are cheaper, PS just works hassle free. PC you can update and upgrade as you like, PS you are guaranteed a certain standard for a generation with games optimized. PC is more for people that like building, customizing, benchmarking etc PS is more for people who want the lounge room experience of just switching something on, pausing it, returning 3 days later and it’s still there. PC you can do more than just game, but you also have more issues. PS has a number of good exclusives that take a while to port. It just depends what you want and how far you want to delve into things. Some people spend half their time benchmarking and pulling things apart, some people couldn’t give a Sh!t how much vram or cache something has and just want it to work to enjoy gaming in a hassle free way. Either way, each to their own.

[@Frank-li8uj]

I don’t think optimised games come as standard anymore, if your talking first party games then that’s true but third party games right now is a gamble on whether their optimised for either platform. Just look at Jedi survivor, great looking game but questionable performance.

[@ExerciseAndColdEveryday]

The weakness in the ps5 or the pro is not cpu or gpu, it is that the games are locked by the devs. That is why i have to play rdr2 on 30 fps or alien isolation at 30fps. I think that there needs to be a new standard that allows console players to edit our system settings in our games. Some people would rather play a game with 4k 30fps while i would want 720 60fps.

[@madfinntech]

Blame this channel, the DF, for that. Until they started preaching about 30 fps caps, games on consoles were generally unlocked.

[@hihihi1q23]

It's not the 90's anymore. Console players know they're getting weaker performance than PC, but the reality is that PC's still can't match the console user experience. Just pressing a button on the controller and having everything turn on, be updated, and work instantly. When I'm gaming, I don't want to have to navigate Windows, Steam, Epic, Ubisoft Launcher, do OS updates, make sure Nvidia is updated, etc. The closest thing we've had to a console experience on PC is a Steam Deck. The higher barrier of entry on console (with paying for online) also means that the community tends to be much higher quality than what you're getting on PC.

[@RyanStorey1231]

Not to mention, a lot of people simply don't want to sit at a desk to play games and just want to lay on their couch or bed and game. Especially if they already work in an office all day. That being said, I did find a workaround for this. My computer is in my living room, and I have a long HDMI cable that I can plug into the TV whenever I want to game on there. Steam Big Picture Mode also does a great job at giving a console-like UI. But I'll admit, this setup isn't exactly the most intuitive.

[@VancouverCanucksRock]

​@@RyanStorey1231Bro, why even say your first paragraph, if you're going to say that in the second paragraph? I had to delete my frickin' comment.

[@RyanStorey1231]

@@VancouverCanucksRock I'm afraid I don't follow? What do you mean?

[@scottwatson7844]

I used to be a pc gamer and it was issues like these that drove me back to consoles.

[@Wr41thgu4rd]

Everything you named is automatic in the majority of cases just by logging into your PC and having an internet connection. Make it make sense.

[@CharlieBurns75]

Anyone that says they're going to PC because the PS5 Pro is 699 doesn't have a PS5 and never intended to get a PS5.

[@michaelgoodwin593]

Amen.

[@christophermullins7163]

Sure.

[@pleasmarryme]

I'll tell you my story, I want to play SH remake, but a PC that can handle it was out of my budget, so I found a good offer on amazon for a ps5 digital (399) and i think thats a fair price, If there was only the ps5 pro option I would definitly go to PC, it is more expensive yes but you are very close to that territory where if you already have a pc with a 2060 and 16, you can very well just invest in the PC

[@lndnfsu2]

neither a 699 PC

[@anssiaatos]

@@CharlieBurns75 Truth has been spoken

[@Cormano980]

I've been a console gamer since 92' and owned most of them, also had lots of PCs along the way and laptops I only play on console because of the ease of it, not because of the performance, don't have the time to fiddle with computers so that's the reason I'm sticking with consoles regardless the brand

[@hectorj.romanp.]

Exactly. Setting up a console is like setting up a Chromecast or a Roku device and they are well suited for the TV room.

[@Aki_Lesbrinco]

It won't the vast majority of console buyers don't care or understand PC gaming.

[@Jaboblu]

Yeah, it's waaaaay too difficult to use a pc.

[@CharlieBurns75]

So easy to spot you PC guys. You guys really think you're always the smartest in the room.

[@jegjrtp87]

😂😂 there's nothing to understand smh

[@Gosu9765]

It's not about understanding, but maintenance. OS updates and dealing with MS bullshit, multiple game clients, dealing with settings so instead of just starting game you have to tweak it for your hardware, partial upgrades. I'm an IT guy, but I simply don't want to deal with PC for gaming. I love the simplicity, ecosystem (Sony built a nice set of PS accessories) and UX of a dedicated gaming machine. Edit: Aaaaaannddd there are of course Sony exclusives which are god tier games.

[@Zy.Blurish]

@@Gosu9765 to be fair all of these things are choices. You can use SteamOS if you want a more console like experience so you don't have to use Windows and game clients are basically skipped over on there other than making an account once. Most games just default to settings based on your hardware or if not you can use a preset and then done just like you would use performance or quality mode on console.. So yes you can make it easy for yourself and the steam deck is the best example since that thing is a PC so you can choose to have the same experience as a Steam Deck on a PC. You can make it more difficult for yourself by going the "traditional" PC gaming route but that is a decision you have to make not something you are forced into as if there aren't simpler alternatives.

[@shadyemanem1]

Short answer: NO!

[@VancouverCanucksRock]

Uh oh, now we got the Playstation 5 Pro, 30th Anniversary Edition....

[@tomoconnell2320]

If the intention was to sell this at $700 launch to kill off scalpers, fantastic. If this is still full price by Christmas or March-25, it is a terrible value.

[@Hussar-fm8iy]

On pc you don’t have to buy ps plus essential $80 usd a year. Five years that’s $400.00 USD you can spend on brand new GPU. Bigger library, cheaper games and you’re not locked to PlayStation ecosystem. Big screen no problem hook up hdmi 2.1 cable to your tv, Xbox or PlayStation controller and you’re done.

[@Bitcoin_hodler92]

Most people don’t need ps plus

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@Hussar-fm8iy You guys always forget that includes 3 games every month that you get to keep permanently. That's 36 games a year for that money and most the time they are games that were released only a year ago.

[@jaredcrane7547]

​​@@Wiiillllson151not permanently, it's as long as the subscription lasts. Playstation isn't running a fucking charity here

[@joseijosei]

​@@Wiiillllson151Should we count Epic Games or other things for PC too? Because those games are actually free (I'm not paying for a subscription), and they are actually yours. You can't access to those games if you stop paying for PS Plus, and no one is telling you that you are going to be able to play them on future platforms. Good luck trying to run GTA IV on a PS5. In 7 years you lose $560. On more expensive games, paying $10 more a week you spend another $3640. You don't have access to over 99% of games. It's crazy how much pros the PC has over the PS5 right now.

[@167CHASE]

PC. = Crybabies

[@WarOmarGaming]

Few will move, most will stay.

[@A5hTriX]

Convenience alone is worth the money for a console. Screw worrying about drivers, settings and all the other BS

[@goldensperm7182]

Lol look at this lazy fool. Acting like it take hours and hours to update drivers or even tweak settings. Just use geforce experience to help you tweak settings automatically if you are too scared to tweak settings. It's for casuals like you who have zero idea about it or simply couldn't comprehend how to do it. It will also keep your drivers updated.

[@Unicornpirate]

Lmao what an uneducated comment

[@chrome3720]

If switching from console to pc you will need desk keyboad & mouse monitor chair thats going to add up way more then $700

[@andyl4683]

or you can use a controller and your tv..... you dont need those things, well expect the keyboard and mouse but the rest are optional....

[@crazypete8888]

If people who can afford a Pro wanted a PC they’d already have it . The Pro is aimed at a very specific customer who can afford a PC but doesn’t want one. They want the greatest experience that’s possible on console though.

[@christophergaus3996]

Bottom line - it's paying nearly a grand for a closed ecosystem box that will be completely obsolete in a couple short years. So, why?

[@FlugeTryne]

I dont get what DF is on about. A 4070 is almost 90% increased performance over a 2070 that the ps5 gpu is equivalent to. Gpu benchmark site also rank it as having 84-90% more performance over all on average scores. That is a hell of alot more than 45% rendering performance jargon that Sony put in the marketing. Here is a quote from a Cyberpunk benchmark "Benchmarks. Starting with Cyberpunk 2077, using the high-quality preset with ray tracing effects disabled, we find that the RTX 4070 is 84% faster than the 2070 at 1080p, 88% faster at 1440p, and 76% faster at 4K"

[@Cedjr88]

At least we can play the most advanced games for those few years. By the time the exclusives come to pc your pc will be obsolete.

[@smurr45]

​@@Cedjr88lol dream on kid 😊

[@chuckgreen41]

Just like open and worthless PC. Console's will always be the top spot of the gaming community.

[@chuckgreen41]

I have an open eco system I'm on a PC that's barley more powerful then a Series s but it's so much better then the PRO.😂😂😂

[@TwinCamChristian]

It's driving them to buy a Switch 2, an Analogue 3D, and a steak dinner, while also waiting for a *PS1 Gray* PS6, *IF* it has a disc drive, stand, and controller, for $699 in 2029.

[@stephenwakeman3074]

You guys never talk about used games when factoring value. Used games from eBay etc are perfectly viable on consoles and means you get a great experience for a fraction of new prices. This doesn't exist on PC unless you pirate and that rules out it being a serious value contender in that sense.

[@jaredcrane7547]

I mean, sales exist on pc. Games lose most of its value about a year or two later. The difference is console players get to own their purchase with a physical release and pc players don't. Nfs heat and unbound go down to 3$ and thereabouts on a sale. You're not going to get that price on a console, ever.

[@joshuam4993]

Doesn't exist on the pro either unless you want to add another 800 dollars to already inflated price

[@joseijosei]

Why would you factor that in but not count piracy then? You know how much money devs get when you buy an used game? $0. You know how much they get when you pirate it? $0. Don't buy used games if you want to support the devs. You lose around $10 a week on more expensive games. No used game is cheaper than a cheap key you get on stores. Those are $3640 in 7 years + $560 you pay for PS Plus. That's not good value at all. Also: you lose access to your games eventually. I'm playing GTA IV right now. Can you do that on your PS5?

[@crashboy0]

@@joseijosei Why are you counting $10 a WEEK? No average gamer buys a $70 game once a week. Like I get your point but your $3640 is a hard reach. Who buys 52 new games a year? lol

[@joseijosei]

​@@crashboy0 If I was talking about a $70 game that would be more like $20. I say $10 because if you game for at least 3 hours a day, in 7 days you have 21 hours, which is enough to finish two games, if not 3 or 4 shorter ones. Those can be either indies or AAA, not $70 full priced games we can get for around $50 on PC. That happens, but not on every week. I get that, but with how much money you save on PC, those are $10 a week on avarage if you're an active gamer. I got a bunch of great deals on HB. Never in my life I found something similar to those in consoles. I don't stop playing AAA games. I do play multiplayer games too, so I never have enough time to play them all, because they're way too cheap, but I do save a lot of money by not being on consoles. Trust me: in my particular case, I'm being nice when I count only $10 a week. I would be spending way more than that on consoles, which is a downside of being in a platform that doesn't have access to over 99% of games. If you don't have time to play, you can count half that amount, and we would still be talking about $1820 + $560 from 7 years of plus. It's just a scam, no matter how you put it.

[@LoneWolf1985BK]

Don’t forget your yearly $80 fee to play online 🤦‍♂️

[@RealGamerReincarnate]

You look at it as a "fee" to play online, I look at it as 3 free games each month which has helped me to build a HUGE library of games over the last 10+ years that I can download anytime! anywhere!

[@joseijosei]

@@RealGamerReincarnate Why are you lying? If you stop paying for your sub, you lose access to those games. How is it different from Game Pass You get actual free games on PC, specially thanks to Epic. Those games you're getting aren't free, because you're paying for them, and they're not yours. You stop paying for the service, and you lose access to them. I got GTA V for free on Epic. I can play it today, and I will be able to play it in 10 years, same as GTA IV on Steam. Try to play GTA IV on your PS5 and see how that goes. From all the games you're getting this month, I only like one of them, and it's an indie I already got for free on PC. You could take the L and move on, but you decide to make a comment like that like if you're saving money. You're getting scammed, even you buy games. You lose on avarage $10 more a week playing on PS5 instead of PC, and those are $3640 in 7 years. Wake up bro!

[@SolidusMark]

You forget HOW MUCH power you need with a Pc and a good graphics card...the minimum is 400W per day Multiply that with a month and you pay more per month for power than a subscription every year which is about 10 cents per day...

[@joseijosei]

@@SolidusMark The PS5 Pro is expected to be 300-350W under full load, with the standard PS5 being ~200-220W. For the PC that matches the Pro that's ~300-350W too on gaming load, and because I'm assuming you're using better parts, you can undervolt the GPU, consume WAY less, and lose only like 5 fps while still being over the PS5 Pro in terms of performance. If you want to save on power, either go for a PC or a laptop, but how much you pay for that depends on where you live. In my case, what a console or PC consume doesn't make enough of a big difference to even cost me $2 a month. BTW: you can't just assume PC consumes power but then ignore the PS5 Pro would do that too bro. What were you trying to do? To trick us into thinking the PS5 Pro gives us free energy or something?

[@SolidusMark]

@@joseijosei wtf...who's trying to trick you...get a hold of yourself ....The PlayStation 5 's Pro power consumption peaks at around 200-220 watts during intense gaming sessions. Comparatively, a high-end gaming PC can easily consume 300-500 watts under similar conditions, especially if equipped with top-tier CPUs and GPUs.

[@DeesBees85]

The idea that console gamers will flock to PC any day now is nothing more than a PC fanboys fantasy.

[@toby2581]

Why would it be a fantasy? Virtually everything - including Sony and Microsoft first-party games - ends up on PC at this point, so it doesn't hurt me that Playstations keep existing. I just have pity for console gamers because they pay more to get much less in their arbitrarily limited corporate walled gardens.

[@SkywardKing]

It's already been happening that people are moving to or also getting a PC. Like me, I used to play on Playstation and Xbox, but with so many exclusive games moving over to PC, and no need for online subscriptions, PC gaming just made more sense and all games have cross hardware gen availability on PC. So it's happening, but it won't hurt console gaming, at this point.

[@MyAnalyser]

@@SkywardKing There is also people like me that used to be PC gamers that moved to console. My main reason was that during corona and working from home I did not want to sit behind the same damn desk that I've been working at all day to play games. I got a PS5 and an XSX and enjoyed particularly on PS5 many of their exclusive jewels. In terms of graphics, the difference is really not that good and sitting on my couch to play on my big oled is really a visual experience all on itself. At the end of the day a PS5 Pro is still a good deal compared to building your own PC so I don't think Sony is worried about PC, although one thing that could work is if Valve build a high end-console version of their steam deck. Nobody wants to fiddle with Windows on their big TV but with an intuitive menu and access to Steam a Steam Console might work.

[@whammy761]

I promise you, pc players aren't fantasizing about console players moving to pc. Most people don't care how you play your games (or that you play games at all). All that said I'm sure there's a non-zero number of people that will build a pc rather than get a ps5 pro but I highly doubt it's a significant number

[@DeesBees85]

@@whammy761 I didn’t say PC players were fantasizing, I said PC fanboys are. Important difference, and yes, PC fanboys absolutely exist.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

Computers are cumbersome for people who prefer to play games sitting on a couch in the living/TV/basement room (that, most of the time, is not the same room where the computer is).

[@onigirimerchant]

Not everyone wants to deal with perpetual windows updates, driver issues, BIOS tweaking, GPU drivers, fan and cooling issues, suboptimal PC games performance at launch etc. there’s always something to troubleshoot and you spend your life in reddit and forums trying to fix and tweak shit. No thanks

[@bluack123]

Windows updates install themselves, drivers install and update themselves, there aren't cooling issues unless you have an overclocked core I9 CPU and then you're an enthusiast that knows what they're doing anyways. There are some sub optimal PC ports but even if it is sub optimal, the experience on PC is still typically just better. The general experience of PC is turning the game on and it just working, most of the time there are no issues, if someone doesn't want to deal with the headache of building their own rig and were to purchase a prebuilt then you have a system more capable than a console that can do more.

[@madfinntech]

One of the reasons I prefer console these days. Got fucking tired of something working tonight but not anymore in the next morning.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

950 euro in Europe. Absolutely not worth the asking price.

[@Longlius]

I've actually had pretty similar thoughts as Alex - the price isn't so much about the actual dollar amount but rather the price class. At 700 dollars, you've already overcome the inherent price floor of a good PC sans GPU which means you're now in the realm of being able to pay whatever you want for additional graphical power. At that point, if you're willing to spend $700, why not just go a little bit further and get a full-blown gaming PC? It sits in this kind of weird area where it's priced for enthusiasts but only for enthusiasts who aren't willing to game on PC. And I don't know how large that segment is. I mostly think this is a halo product designed to drive sales of software and the lower-end SKU.

[@adrienveidt419]

Now this is a good take. Without trying to get in anyones side, this is the critical thinking i'm also doing. It's more of a "barrier breaking" segment, than to look for comparable parts and hardware. It's all going to be decide by the customers who are willing to be part of that margin of the market

[@MAO7891]

Yeah $700 is already part of the way to a decent PC.

[@Wes_Trippy4life]

$1300 minimum to get the equivalent specs of the PS5 Pro plus you have to buy an expensive ass 4K monitor so closer to 2K. Ppl don't realize wtf they are talking about 🤣🤣

[@Longlius]

@@Wes_Trippy4life You can connect a PC to a television.

[@tloz171nfs]

Except most ppl aren't buying a ps5 pro from nothing. So they're either upgrading from ps4 or ps5 and carrying over their library. Myself, I'm gonna trade in my ps5 and already got a disc drive so it'll be 300 to upgrade. That's worth it to me bc I already have 100's of games to play and I really want to play ff7rebirth at 60fps with not terrible image quality.

[@ktvx.94]

There're two key points missing here: 1) PC lets you do so much more than gaming 2) Everyone's comparing the price between a PC and _one_ console, which is short-sighted. When the PS6 comes out, now you're choosing between buying two full consoles and buying a single PC then upgrading a few components at your leisure. At that point the PC becomes _cheaper_ even hardware-only.

[@matthewleadbeater6892]

This right here! Also emulation of loads of consoles with a massive libary

[@bravefastrabbit770]

Their hands are bound, they have to shill for their overlords. It's all part of the game

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

before it was virtually impossible to get anywhere near the price of consoles with brand new parts, the previous pro versions were still priced well but now the price points is so close you might as well invest in a PC. no yearly sub and you're not locked into hardware, people are still running 10 year old GPUs and clocking 1080p 30fps happily.

[@michaellong2439]

thats not the point though. this comparison is for playing games. so you compare the performance of games against the performance of games. you could also throw in that people like the simplicity of consoles, the ease of tv and controller use compared to pcs. the integrated social aspects. you could even add the fact that if you buy a playstation it comes with a $75 controller. but none of this is relevant because were just comparing gaming performance

[@dr.sivavignesh664]

The pc built now with that kind of power would get you to the half of ps6 gen easily. But consoles like pro will lock you out of ps6 games unless the devs themselves release cross gen titles. Lowering settings and VRR display would get you even more life out of that system. Then there are multiple storefronts to choose from when buying software which always have a deep discount and dont have the 33% extra console manufacturer fee. Online is free but on consoles you have to pay for ps plus. Epic freebies everyweek. Instant backwards compatibility, bunch of emulators, xbox game pass along with ms games library and ps exclusives on a later date. [These are all on top of the extra work a pc can do which a console cannot]

[@DEPR188]

Totally agree with Oliemack (guy on the left): - The market for the PS5 Pro is a less price-sensitive consumer, such as Millennials with decent income; enthusiast to hardcore level gamers that want to get the best experience with maximum convenience. The PS5 Pro appeals most to current PS5 owners, specially those immersed in the PS(N) ecosystem. - The PS5 Pro may also appeal to consumers that haven’t upgraded from PS4 (base or Pro), because they didn’t feel that the improvement was enough, or other reasons such as past economic uncertainty, etc. - The pricing argument makes a lot of sense. It’s business malpractice to leave money on the table, which is what Sony observed with the PS5 scalpers. Sony is trying to compete with technology giants, and MUST do this kind of thing to survive. I personally would hate to see this company go bankrupt.

[@General_M]

The draw to consoles I think still has to do with the convenience of a console. Yes I can absolutely put my PC in my living room and play on my 55" OLED, but, I need to ensure I have a wireless keyboard and mouse (lets be honest we all have that same Logitech 2 in 1 keyboard with the trackpad) but navigating Windows from the couch even with that keyboard is a pain in the ass. If Microsoft made a proper gaming focused version of windows that was 100% navigable with a controller and all logins used QR codes and you could connect your phone for a keyboard, it would be game changing. If all of my games were in Steam I'd just boot into big picture mode, but my games are spread across at minimum 4 different launchers, 2 of which (EA and Ubisoft) were not of my own volition.

[@serpentsting357]

Windows 11 and MS Controller connected via MS USB Controller Dongle. I can use the thumbsticks to move the cursor and LT RT for mouseclicks. Works realy well. Give it a try.

[@ConnorH2111]

No it isn't you can use a mini mouse and keyboard to navigate windows then grab your controller to game, i use a Rii I4 an it does everything i need, even has a scroll wheel.

[@oldb3139]

I have two wireless keyboards and two mouses, mouse on the couch works and no swapping keyboards. Gaming with a gamepad. Works a charm.

[@worldwide_wes]

The Logitech K400 guilty as charged 😂

[@easyygo3008]

​@@ConnorH2111 Is a fuckn pain in the ass. Jusst because you are willing to do it, doesn't make it comfortable or convenient at all

[@JF_76]

Living in Japan - yes, it does. I am now planning on buying a rtx4070 super desktop. The price differential between PlayStation and PC - given the ps plus costs and higher game software costs - is just too small/doesn‘t justify the trade off in quality and features (such as modding, upgradeability etc) anymore.

[@SansAppellation]

Exactly right It's really not good for gamers if Sony prices-out their home market. Japanese developers aren't going to support a console if few in Japan buy it

[@leoni7649]

People really forgot how Gen Z and Gen Alpha just don't know how to use a PC.

[@James.Gatsby]

jezuz!

[@LpG88]

Haha you’re right about that, they use iPad for everything

[@nathsabari97]

you dont know the amount fortnite kids that are playing on pc

[@unoriginalyoutubename8761]

You morons realize gen z is upwards of like 26 years old now right?

[@memez_ale]

well i know how to use a pc so..

[@ricepony33]

8:15 Oliver nailed it, as usual.

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

he legit sounds like a console fanboy but hey if you think that thats fine thats just my opinion

[@Oceanandskylinevidss]

​@@gandalfurisotherworldly7909 How can he be a console fanboy when he spent top dollar for his PC?

[@jsullivan2112]

Yeah when he mentioned Sony trying to find out what price they can get away with that's exactly what I was thinking.

[@jsullivan2112]

@@gandalfurisotherworldly7909 Did you miss the part where he like most others prefers not to have a PC in the living room?

[@jonahamechazurra618]

No I will stick on my PS5, cause number 1 its Power Efficient, number 2 Games are Optimized and number 3 I have a big Digital library of games starting from 2013 PS4

[@JyGproductions]

Number 4: ps5 games wil hit the ps5 day 1. And will go to pc after 2 years.

[@christopherbohling5719]

They're still wrong about the ease of PC use on the couch. It's not hard. You just need to have a wireless mouse and mess with the window scaling a bit and it'll be fine. I've been gaming on PC on the couch for nearly 9 years and I can attest that, outside of needing to put a little bit of thought into the initial setup, it is really no more difficult than using a console.

[@Woodzta]

I mean I find that it usually requires a little bit of setup I'll give him that. But yeah it's not rocket science and to say it "isn't a very good choice" is an overstatement if not flat out incorrect. My K400 Plus is also a great suppliment to my HTPC/gaming box and I'll never be able to replace it with just my PS5 alone.

[@southsidetherealest2860]

@@christopherbohling5719 they act like Big Picture mode dont exist

[@christopherbohling5719]

@@southsidetherealest2860 for sure, and to be honest as somebody who is 100% a couch gamer these days, I don't even use Big Picture Mode unless I need it to configure Steam Input. I just have the Windows display scaling set to 150% so that I can see and I use my wireless mouse to just navigate the launcher and open the game. Hell, I even sometimes actually use mouse and keyboard for the game itself just by putting my mouse and keyboard on a board and propping my elbows up with pillows.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

I'm shocked how can they be so clueless. They are far from specialists.

[@christopherbohling5719]

@@stanislavkimov2779 ehh, I feel like they're right about 99% of stuff but this particular area is a major blind spot that they keep getting wrong

[@CyberMonty2077]

Apart from the price, are there any downsides to the PS5 Pro compared to the base PS5? Or is everything just that little bit better on the Pro?

[@documentingordinarythoughts]

I want the best possible experience in my 85” 4k living room tv with as little setup as possible .. I feel like I am the target audience for this 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@paracuja]

I have both put except from CS2 or Strategy Games i only play on my PS5. On PC I'm always falling down the Mod rabbit hole like I'm modding Skyrim for 10hours and play it 10mins. On PS5 i can just concentrate on gaming.

[@shamanahaboolist]

I moved from console to PC in 2012 and honestly when PS4 and Xbox One came out I was very glad I did. No regrets. Overall I've saved a fortune.

[@Cormano980]

What did you buy with that fortune

[@shamanahaboolist]

@@Cormano980 More games :D

[@Cormano980]

@@shamanahaboolist no expensive prostitutes, no Ferrari ? Cmon

[@chuckgreen41]

You are lying to yourself

[@southsidetherealest2860]

@@chuckgreen41 you wish he was dont you pony

[@DPtdryste]

The next gaming console I’m buying will be a sick gaming pre-build.

[@hiawa23]

I have been a gamer since 1980 and have always been a multi-console gamer. I own all of the consoles, so I am looking forward to the Pro. My drive and stand has already come in and I am at a point in my life where I can easily afford it, so I plan to get the Pro and only expect it perform better than my base consoles. I have never been in PC gaming, so I'm fine with the consoles.

[@christophermullins7163]

Sony.. I found your perfect customer and I'm not even mad you're not buying a PC. Console just makes sense for some ppl.

[@gheorghegicu]

Yes me personally I'm thinking to pass to pc not worth to buy a ps5 without driver ,I'm watching movies on my actual ps5 that I have change games with my brother and it is becoming very expensive with that money for the ps5 pro you add a little bit more and you have a good pc

[@electrikoptik]

"Will PS5 Pro's high price drive players to pc?" As Rich mentioned in a previous video, the closest available GPU that matches the power of the upcoming PS5 Pro is the RTX 4070. However, if you're aiming to build a PC with similar performance, you'll likely end up spending significantly more than $699, for a PC with a RTX 4070.

[@MAO7891]

While that's true, you will get a device that can do more than just play games and it will last longer than this generation of consoles.

[@TheLawrence05]

You will however have DLSS upscaling frame gen and future proof and the ability to interchange parts for better parts; and very high FPS. ^^

[@GTA6isWoke]

You can wait a few months for 5060

[@bobjoe5937]

PC fanboys don't understand this. They can't even cope that the PS5 Pro is more powerful than MOST PCs out there. It's hilarious actually.

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

@@TheLawrence05 which is also what the PS5 will be relying on lol. I do like how when people quote DF they have selective hearing. PS5 Pro is speculated to be an underclocked 4070, it's only mentioned due to software which OP seemingly forgets.

[@lordmaster2562]

Lol no. I stick to my most powerful console with a disc drive in the world. Series X

[@mattzun6779]

For most people the choice isn't between a 700 dollar PS5 Pro and 800 dollars worth of PC parts. Its between a 450 dollar PS5, a 700 dollar PS5 Pro and a 1500 dollar prebuilt with a 4070 Someone buying a cheaper OEM PC doesn't really have the same upgrade options as a PC you build yourself Cheaper OEM PCs often come with custom 500 watt power supplies that can't be replace by standard units, custom motherboards, cases with poor airflow etc.

[@easyygo3008]

This is quite true. Also, most PS5 owners WOULD NEVER move to PC as they have LARGE libraries they won't be willing to rebuild on PC

[@christophermullins7163]

Yeah you're right. It's wild the amount of copium from console players who have never spent any time attempting to find good PC parts for cheap. You most certainly can beat the PS5 pro with less than $1k. I think that anyone with a brain can realize that a PC is a machine for work that can also game better than a console. It is intimidating for the less savvy. Right now you can get a 5600x full tower with decent power supply on eBay for less than $300 from a reputable seller that you can trust. 4070 is a little less than $500 if I'm not mistaken. But console boys don't want to face that fact. No.. "it costs $1200 to match a pro" right.. this is called copium in case you hadn't heard what you sound like from the PC gamers perspective.

[@lupolinar]

You don't need a 4070 - a RX 6800 base model is more like what you'll get with the Pro.

[@mattzun6779]

@@lupolinar I don't think you can get a 6800 in a prebuilt PC. You can get the significantly worse 4060TI 8GB or a 4070. The fact that it is hard to get a prebuilt with a clearly superior low to mid range AMD GPUs is one of the problems with PC gaming.

[@Woodzta]

Sony like to act as if GBP equates to USD, but after looking you can easily get a prebuild here by a verifiable company with a 4070 for £950 (and easily upgradeable components if you wanted that) so your comparison looks unfair from that perspective. What you're describing may be the case "for most people", but that's only serving as a justification for Sony to raise prices without giving anything else in return. I wouldn't hold it against anyone for getting a PS5 "Pro". It may be the correct decision for their situation. However, DF viewers aren't "most people", and Sony could have definitely given better value here, so I don't understand why you would support their decisions.

[@chumorgan443]

It's not necessarily the PS5-Pro that has has me looking at PC instead. It's loss of faith in the brand. This generation of PlayStation software doesn't hold a candle to the one's that came before.. I'm convinced the ps5-pro (and the ps6) will be used to play PS4 games while selling PS4 remasters in place of original titles..

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

A lot of pc gamers assume console users have the same behavior as us. _"If consolers do [this many costly things], it'll be more expensive"_ has far too many caveats. Most consolers won't have most of those, if any. Btw, Ps+ is $10/mo or 80/yr. Consolers generally: 1) don't sub perpetually, just ad hoc for the month's specific games they'd wanna try and rather not buy (3 mo/yr avg). 2) higher ratio playing 1p games 3) far lower ratio playing MMOs, MOBAs, Gachas, etc. 4) aren't upgraders, most Ps4 Pro owners were 1st time buyers. Even assuming 20 $70 games ($60 on pc) + 3mo/y avg subs over 4 years: _Ps5 Pro $700 + 20 games $1400 + $10(subs 3mo x 4yrs) = $2220 (+$80 w/disc drive)_ _Pc=Pro $1100 + 20 games $1200 = $2300_ If 10 games, it's pc $1700 vs pro $1520 (+$80 w/disc drive)

[@jaredcrane7547]

All of this doesn't really matter. Playstation is a household name now. Their products will always sell regardless of what they make. Their fanbase will always buy the new shiny toy for themselves. And even if PC was directly cheaper than console. No console owner, atleast the average Joe Console owner is going to buy a pc. They want a console, an experience they are familiar to. Pc is uncharted territory. Something that takes a lot of time to figure out and build. Everything about PC when it comes to gaming is a chore. If I had the money, I'd always go console. I'd never even think about PC. Cause plug and play is more appealing to me than making the game look sharper when I can't even tell the difference between a Ps4 and ps5 gams

[@ninele7]

As far as I understand, if you cancel subscription, you lose your cloud saves. And even 2tb of disk isn't enough to keep all 20 games installed. So, for example, if you are playing Elden Ring or Cyberpunk 2077, finish it, but then want to keep playing same character after 2 years when DLC drops, you need to keep game installed or pay for subscription for all that time. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

[@bluexpressov2]

@@ninele7 You do not need to keep the games installed and you do not need to keep the subscription. If you keep your subscription game/character saves on the console, they remain there permanently even after you cancel subscription. Whenever you reactivate subscription and want to play those games, you can download and install the game again and resume the game with those game/character saves, unless you had manually deleted the save data from the console, which is not easy to do, or done a factory reset to wipe the console. Cloud saves are kept for a period after you cancel subscription and some users claim their cloud saves are still there even when they reactivated the subscription after more than 2 years - but that's probably too risky and reliant on Sony goodwill policy which can change.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

@@ninele7 The saves are on a separate folder, same like pc. There's an nvme expansion slot so you can use any generic ssd (up to 8tb) from amazon and have multiple ssds. The sub's mostly just a ticket if you like that specific month's complimentary titles for $10 and multiplayer server just happens to come with it. It's like a time limited all-you-can-play pass arcades had back in the day. The cloud save feature is just a tertiary benefit to do whatever you want.

[@ninele7]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki so, saves are stored on a console even when games are deleted? Talking about installing additional NVME drives, we are getting dangerously close to maintaining PC.

[@theCRYSISgamer]

As a person who has NO console and has been waiting literally a year BEFORE PS5 released for the PS5 PRO (since my OG PS4 RIP’d), I gotta say I’m seriously contemplating saving my money for a base level PC build, or just waiting for the PS6. Which is insane😐.

[@michaellee2786]

Games are more portable than ever. If exclusives still mattered, this would be less of a joke. Also, it's hypocritical to leave consoles because of a lack of physical media. PCs haven't had a used market in decades.

[@lupolinar]

But PC games are also cheaper and you don't pay extra to play online.

[@joshuam4993]

It's ignorant to say that and not illustrate the differences. PC games have massive digital Libraries that have far more options. They don't require you to wait for a developer to patch your game to mess with graphics settings and they aren't all controlled by just one company (Sony) as such there are always cheaper deals and methods of acquiring games. There's also mods and emulation. Means of acquiring games that aren't restricted. You also don't have to pay extra for any online services

[@martytorres2441]

What’s the cheapest 4070 build. Like how would I go about it. Cuz right now best I’m seeing is like 1200$ open box price at Best Buy. Any tips. Should I have someone build it. Or just buy a prebuild?! I’m basically tryna get a 4070 build around 1000 bucks. To me a 4070 is a nice boost to justify the extra cheddar. But what’s the cheapest way to go about it?

[@XINTSUAI]

I want to play Warhammer SM2 at 4k/60 but I can't afford a PC (despite not liking to play on PC), so I'll buy a PS5 Pro.

[@joepeglegmorgan3015]

I have a OG PS5. Bought it on day one. Disc version. Gonna buy PS5 pro day one and sell the PS5.

[@telerobotic]

The problem with WH40K SM2 is how heavy it is on the CPU. Those hoards are legitimately animating and modeling each enemy individually. It pushes a 5700X3D to 87% usage across all 16 logical cores at times. All that to say, the 5 year old CPU in the Pro is likely going to be a persistent bottleneck for 60 FPS performance in upcoming games. That said, the visual clarity will be there.

[@seraakk]

I’m playing it now in 4k 60fps on a 1060 3Gb with Geforce Now Ultimate (4080 rig). GFN is the best.

[@thefilmdirector1]

@@seraakk Not if you like native resolution and zero bitrate artifacts its not.

[@Filthyfrank_17]

my thoughts are if u have the money to buy both, you have to make sure what you want more in terms of features. If you want higher frames, good resolution (1440p), graphics, and a overall balanced system, go with PC(I wouldn't recommend buying it now wait until the new gpus come out bc it will end up having better features than the current gpus and the ps5 pro). The ps5 pro is a 4k only system which means that your gpu will be used at 100% in 4k, that's the major flaw of this console. I think pssr is great (not as good as dlss) but it's a weird benefit because it will allow you to get more frames, yet you will be using a lower resolution which will end up bottlenecking the cpu which limits performance. I like ray tracing as well but pc has so many advantages over console on ray tracing. Ray tracing on pc can be used with afmf+hyper rx (amd gpus)+ fsr 3+frame generation and dlss 3+frame generation (nvidia gpus) while the ps5 pro will only allow you to pick one, you can't have both at the same time. 4k support won't last long on the ps5 pro and you will eventually have to drop the resolution (again the bottleneck). There's too many pros and cons but overall if you want a balanced system get a pc. If you want to sit on your couch and dont care if your system is balanced then get a ps5 pro

[@busfare5660]

If you already have a ps5 and a gaming pc, just keep your ps5 and upgrade your pc. First party exclusive titles will always be rock solid on the base system.

[@ynumikol]

I bought a PC in 2016. I have an i7 7700k which is the highest level CPU compatible with my motherboard and a GTX 1070. If I got a significantly stronger GPU my CPU would bottleneck it. If I was to buy a new motherboard, CPU, and a rtx 4070 it would cost far more than the PS5 pro. I already get all the non gaming functionality out of my PC so why would I spend far more money to upgrade my PC?

[@gandalfurisotherworldly7909]

itll also be rock solid on pc lol

[@user-ye3qn8bj9c]

This is what I do but I have a steam deck oled. I'll get a pc in the future.

[@Gamer-vs3xl]

Rebirth is NOT rock solid. 1080p burry mess or higher res clear like how the game is supposed to look but choppy 30 fpskzbin.info/www/bejne/nHu9Z6GaeaZ2fZosi=pafr4mTCzjanE2VL

[@VancouverCanucksRock]

Who are you to tell people what to do? LMFAO......😄

[@cynic5581]

The question is non sensical. That’s like saying “Will the Mercedes E Class’s high price drive people to the bus?”. If you don’t want it then don’t buy it. Do you often buy an alternative to something you don’t want? Use your brain and don’t let your emotions control what you do.

[@joesaiditstrue]

a PC isnt a gaming-only device, so of course it would be more expensive. it does infinitely more tasks than what a console can do

[@RYzE_B3Y0ND]

I doubt it. Since the PC space has gotten so expensive too. Also, yes I know cheaper GPUs exist but if you ask a lot of non PC gamers, they tend to want 80/90 series cards since that’s what their favorite streamers are using.

[@dougquaid570]

I'll patiently wait for the rage when GTAVI is launched @30HZ on the world's most powerfool console.

[@Spokenblurb]

I mean if they significantly upgraded the cpu you might as well call it ps6

[@joshuam4993]

Doesn't have to be significant.. Just upgrade one or two gens ​@@Spokenblurb

[@Winnetou17]

Isn't GTA 6 going to launch kind of together with PS 6 ? I mean, it will very likely run at 30 FPS with stutters on PS5, but the most powerful console then will be PS6.

[@davidbohm271]

I've invested 2000+€ into console gaming so far (projector, sound system, etc.). It's not about money, it's about convenience. And I do have a powerful pc for vr, but if I buy a game on pc, I usually don't play it for a week or two, because I have a demanding job and most nights I'm too exhausted to start a second job as a game developer, instead of just pressing one button on my controller and then playing the game.

[@coolmacatrain9434]

PC "enthusiasts" have literally been overspending on minimal upgrades for decades ... and now they are pooh-poohing console gamers doing the same thing? What the hell is wrong with selling your PS5 and upgrading to the PS5 Pro? EDIT: 🤣

[@totty2524]

Sure, but what's with all the anger? You're too invested in this lmao

[@jerrya17]

@@coolmacatrain9434 that makes too much sense! Stop it. lol

[@jerrya17]

@@totty2524 that’s on YOU, if your interpretation of their comment is anger. I find their comment to be poignant and comical because they are clearly pointing out the hypocrisy of PC enthusiasts. 😂

[@SansAppellation]

You lose your blu ray player if you sell your Ps5

[@Sinncere06]

These aren’t PC enthusiast. They are Xbox refugees. Very disgruntled for some reason.

[@bearwynn]

people in the PS5 subreddit were latching on to your 4070 claim, they were adamant that it'd be a like for like 😂😂 I think if you're making such statements you may want to be substantially more assertive as to what you mean.

[@ChrisEvans66]

I hate this PS 5 pro thing where people say just get a PC. You can't make that comparison. I have a beefy PC and am a content creator. But I much rather prefer playing games on my PS 5 than I do a PC. They are not comparable. They have different applications, and ecosystems. I love the haptic feed back and features on a console where I don't get that on PC. Playing my psvr 2 with haptic feedback where a PC can't give me that cool experience. Not to mention playing exclusives. But My PC is more useful for content creation, some different types of games, browsing the internet and so forth. I like my consoles and PC. But they are not the same and can't be compared to eachother.

[@joshuam4993]

I don't. My laptop is more mobile plays better and is just as capable of a chill experience on my large 4k screen TV as my ps5.

[@ChrisEvans66]

@joshuam4993 And can't play Sony exclusives until a year or 2 later. That's if they even make a PC port. No controllers with haptic feedback and all the experiences that a game like astrobot can give you by taking advantage of all the ps5 features. Again, Different games, different experiences, different ecosystems. different features. That's cool you like your laptop but the only similarity they have is they both can play games. But your laptop can't play Sony exclusives and support all the features a ps5, ps5 controller, and psvr 2 can do and vice versa.

[@joshuam4993]

@@ChrisEvans66 actually the turn over rate has gotten much faster now for "exclusives" and there is barely any to begin with. Almost all of them are now on pc. Incorrect on haptics, the support for dualsense haptics has increased significantly recently. Most of what you've mentioned is all on the original ps5 anyways. No need to support greedy apple like tactics and buy a pro for it anyways. ASTRO bot not worth 820 bucks

[@chocolc9564]

但是他们有重合的应用部分

[@ChrisEvans66]

@joshuam4993 OH no.. You hit me with the "actually" reply 🤣 You think there's no exclusives because in 4 or 5 years that the PS has been out PC only got 7 Playstation exclusives. If that's a fast turn around rate count me out. When I say haptic feedback, I don't mean rumble. And you can't tell me that games that weren't made by Sony as a ps5 port support haptic feedback. I know. because I have a 4070 graphics card PC with and I9 CPU. And I am in no way condoning PS5 pro. I don't thinks it's worth the asking price for a minimal upgrade and missing basic functions. As far as exclusives, there are 40. That's 10 exclusives a year. That's hard to even keep up with as far as playtime and finances. I can almost bet all 40 of those games won't be ported to the PC.

[@kirankara]

On paper, the ps5 pro is a very good piece of hardware, but the thing that holds me back (other than £100 for a disc drive) is the fact that we have no idea at what point, ps6 is coming along, and then the pro will effectively become obsolete (new console will have vastly more ram, vastly more CPU resources as well as GPU. You will get away with new releases to a degree, but after that, it will be an expensive brick effectively

[@Rbbrdcky]

Hell no would I ever jump ship from PlayStation to PC!

[@joshuam4993]

Spoken like a fanboy. While some of us actually get to enjoy both

[@AssassinIsAfk]

​@@joshuam4993either a fanboy or a brokie, $700 in the pc world is a graphics card upgrade.

[@joshuam4993]

@@AssassinIsAfk let's be honest. It's 820 with disc and stand. And then even worse in other countries. For 500 to 600 you can get a decent card. And if you add things to like 1k or maybe you can a bit more you can get a decent rig. If you're going past 700 you may as well at that point

[@AssassinIsAfk]

@@joshuam4993 yeah that's true, I mean honestly 1k for a gaming pc is pretty good provided you don't go with a Rtx 4060 or 4060ti because it has RTX in the title.

[@joshuam4993]

@@AssassinIsAfk yea get a 4070 on sale and youre good

[@GhostOfSparta305]

5:11 But Alex isn’t that kinda exactly what Cerny said? Pro is designed primarily so performance modes (60fps) can look better? They didn’t say anything like that for PS4 Pro: they just said “4K and stabler framerates”

[@K.J._x8x_MMA]

There are only 3 types of people in this world.. The ones who can count, and those who can't..

[@jameswatson5807]

so what's the 3rd

[@whipwalka]

@@jameswatson5807 keep re reading until you get the joke

[@dougquaid570]

@@jameswatson5807 🤦‍♀

[@jameswatson5807]

@@whipwalka Nope I don't get the joke.

[@K.J._x8x_MMA]

@@jameswatson5807 It just went over your head but that's ok, It happens.. if I have to explain it though I'll lose my mind..

[@barklertrapplefleas5466]

It may drive some to PC, but the fact the detachable disc drive is sold out on many different sites says otherwise.

[@CheckmateStallioN]

People dont realize the price alone is not the issue at least for enthusiasts. It's the fact that you're not getting the expected results to justify the price especially when the CPU didnt even get an upgrade which it badly needed. If you already own the base model and a respectable PC stick with that for console exclusives and X plats for PC

[@ojp5053]

I’m buying it

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

Not to mention they sony might release another PS4 remaster to show of the Pro console. 😭 what kinda timeline is this man. The game is horizon new dawn by the way, it was recently rated by the ESRB. I swear if it's true...

[@WhiteInk47]

I have a gaming PC and I still just prefer console. I think just the base ps5 is what this is going to drive being towards rather than pc

[@tristman8413]

They act like the base ps5 doesnt exist the ps4 pro didnt push people to pc 🤦‍♂️

[@telerobotic]

That’s because the PS4 Pro launched at the same price as the base PS4 did at launch. We weren’t all looking down the barrel of a $1000 purchase back then.

[@tristman8413]

@@telerobotic $700...

[@telerobotic]

@@tristman8413 plus disk drive plus tax or conversion rates.

[@easyygo3008]

​@@telerobotic Task is already included in all non US prices

[@tristman8413]

@@telerobotic if you're one of the 80% of gamers that buy digitally?

[@Woodzta]

I was considering rushing to sell my PS5 before the Pro came out to put money towards an RTX 5000 series card, but given the price of the Pro I guess I don't have to rush anymore.

[@DrunkenRhinoceros]

You can't build a comparable PC for 700 dollars or include a 70 dollar haptic feedback controller.

[@christophermullins7163]

Yeah you're right. It's wild the amount of copium from console players who have never spent any time attempting to find good PC parts for cheap. You most certainly can beat the PS5 pro with less than $1k. I think that anyone with a brain can realize that a PC is a machine for work that can also game better than a console. It is intimidating for the less savvy. Right now you can get a 5600x full tower with decent power supply on eBay for less than $300 from a reputable seller that you can trust. 4070 is a little less than $500 if I'm not mistaken. But console boys don't want to face that fact. No.. "it costs $1200 to match a pro" right.. this is called copium in case you hadn't heard what you sound like from the PC gamers perspective.

[@CeceliPS3]

​@@christophermullins7163He also mentioned the controller. His copium went a bit further then most console users. LOL. Flydigi Apex 4 costs double that, but it offers so much more and that controller will never break or drift like dual sense. Poney boys from today don't even know that back in the day they had hall effect on DualShock 3 and Sony downgrade it for them just so it breaks and they have to buy another controller. Lmfao

[@daysgone2997]

@@christophermullins7163so ya saying everyone that wants a pro should go on ebay and do what you said? 😂😂 many people hate gaming on pc, so you saying that will not persuade them otherwise

[@moister3727]

You can also upgrade your gpu for $700 in case you already have a pc built

[@lupolinar]

You can get one for less then 1000$ and it'll be better then your closed box.

[@joesoso9656]

I have a 4070 … I’d say it’s pretty decent at high settings 4k 60fps (or much more in most scenarios)

[@joshuam4993]

Yup, and you can tweak, mod, use dlss and FG in some cases

[@tylerhill40]

$700 is way too much for whats on offer. The only justification would be a massive increase in power/cpu with disk drive intact.

[@easyygo3008]

GPU is on par with a $500 one. What else do you need? 😂😂😂😂 People is st u pi d i swear

[@lordspalse0062]

I'm a console only gamer and even I am perplexed by the arrant stupidity of some console gamers to accept this ridiculous price for a console virtually indifferent from a ps5. The spec bump is totally worthless in terms of rasterization coupled with the almost zero cpu upgrade. I'm not surprised at Sony's audacity. A good Shepherd must know his Sheep and they always hear his voice to do his bidding 😂😂

[@lordspalse0062]

PSSR is just an ingenious marketing stunt to distract gamers from the pathetic spec bump from the base ps5. Imagine Sony presenting an upscaler like it's a new generation nvidia gpu.

[@christophermullins7163]

Yeah you're right. It's wild the amount of copium from console players who have never spent any time attempting to find good PC parts for cheap. You most certainly can beat the PS5 pro with less than $1k. I think that anyone with a brain can realize that a PC is a machine for work that can also game better than a console. It is intimidating for the less savvy. Right now you can get a 5600x full tower with decent power supply on eBay for less than $300 from a reputable seller that you can trust. 4070 is a little less than $500 if I'm not mistaken. But console boys don't want to face that fact. No.. "it costs $1200 to match a pro" right.. this is called copium in case you hadn't heard what you sound like from the PC gamers perspective.

[@tylerhill40]

@@christophermullins7163 Aside from the ppl who just want to game on the couch. I think most people are intimidated away from pc gaming. The fanboys would switch real quick to the master race once they realized how much better it is than the consoles, but alas they're too scared to make the jump.

[@votpavel]

ill just play less and continue to play on regular ps5

[@christophermullins7163]

Nothing wrong with that but it is the low end of PC gaming. 1080p 60 experience.

[@KingMasey]

@@christophermullins7163don’t bother me that much.

[@IAmLegend9010]

Play less and continue to play? 🤔

[@votpavel]

@@IAmLegend9010 yes, what he said

[@IAmLegend9010]

@@votpavel who

[@mig1017]

I can see P6 costing alot more than the £799 UK price point of the pro. So yeh, I'm researching building my own PC, so come P6 I'll know exactly the components I want without over/under spending.

[@mikeg6349]

The only advantages a console has to pc are console price and exclusivity. We don’t live in the time where you could just pop in a game without installing.

[@elbowsout6301]

And there is increasingly less and less exclusive content on consoles.

[@crowclaw]

The initial hype for PS4 was the short „Game disk share“ clip with Shu Yushida, urinating on Xbox One always on and no game disk reselling. Even then, physical retail games were devalued with EA online passes, no manuals and cheap case quality. „Boutique game publishers like Limited Run and iam8bit sprung up. Ubisoft and Square are happy to sell $200 Deluxe Editions with cheap figurines and some stickers. Now devolved into „play 1 day early“, with the worst launch bugs and glitches. The days of shoving the Melee disk and a memory card into a friends GameCube to access all characters instantly are truely gone. Today they better have the SF6 season pass themselves

[@cujo188]

Installing happens once m8.

[@crowclaw]

@@cujo188 not with limited SSD disc space. Sony and Microsoft just started shipping consoles with 2TB. Black Ops 6 is 309GB, every running live service is starting to balloon with every feature upgrade.

[@XanderCrease]

I forget there are people who grew up with iPhones and consoles and have never even sat down at a Desktop PC, let alone owned one. PC gamers are used to tinkering, optimizing and trouble shooting but for newcomers it might just feel like extra work.😕

[@ojp5053]

I’m not mad about it. A 50 dollar bill gets less than what a 20 used to get you back in 2010

[@d4mterro320]

What did u smoke lil bro? You are 19, sit down

[@General_M]

@@ojp5053 $20 from 2010 would be $29.06 in today dollars according to the bureau of labor

[@ojp5053]

@@d4mterro320 and you still live with mom don’t you Mr burger flipper

[@KeyboardSavant]

This moment, 4:50, is how I consider a purchasing decision in every facet of life. "What else could this money go towards? How much more would I need to spend for a better component?" And so on...

[@Xavier-be2mi]

No debate, spend your money however you want.. the companies will always win

[@massterwushu9699]

Don’t support Nvidia!!

[@Xavier-be2mi]

@@massterwushu9699 too late for me.. the tech for me was better than AMD

[@massterwushu9699]

@@Xavier-be2mi The RT performance is better for sure but I definitely regret getting the 4070 Super over the 7900 GRE. Coulda saved $60 🤕

[@Xavier-be2mi]

@@massterwushu9699 I have a 4070 super as well, and I don’t . I knew what I was getting into with it. GRE does get more frames, but my monitor won’t see the difference. So RT, and DLSS reigns supreme over.. missing the VRAM, but nothing I played so far comes close to tapping that ceiling

[@christophermullins7163]

Yeah you're right. It's wild the amount of copium from console players who have never spent any time attempting to find good PC parts for cheap. You most certainly can beat the PS5 pro with less than $1k. I think that anyone with a brain can realize that a PC is a machine for work that can also game better than a console. It is intimidating for the less savvy. Right now you can get a 5600x full tower with decent power supply on eBay for less than $300 from a reputable seller that you can trust. 4070 is a little less than $500 if I'm not mistaken. But console boys don't want to face that fact. No.. "it costs $1200 to match a pro" right.. this is called copium in case you hadn't heard what you sound like from the PC gamers perspective.

[@KrisDee1981]

I think it absolutely can drive people to PC. Most PS5 exclusives come to PC after some time, and you also have all Xbox games. You don't have to pay retarded subscription to be able to play online. You have true free games from Epic. In PS3 days Sony had a ton of exclusives and online play was actually free!

[@Bl4nkshell]

I would never buy a console without a disc drive, let alone a 700 dollar one. It's insulting.

[@madfinntech]

Me neither, unless the disc drive is still available. Fully digital download console, though; hell no!

[@Sapien356]

💯. Pc is king. Sony will have zero ps5 stock. To force sales of the ps5 pro. Come Xmas.

[@adm8995]

You guys don’t get it, I own over 150 odd games on psn, I can’t afford to move to anything else.

[@epobirs]

Has the old machine died? Are there not plenty others available for cheap in the used market? I feel zero urge to buy a new machine to play old games if I already have the machine they were created for. I'm unlikely to ever bother with the Pro, despite having several hundred PSN items, including many that the Pro would supposedly enhance. If my disposable income greatly increased I'd certainly be tempted but it isn't likely in the next few years.

[@Mcnooblet]

I went from PS5 to PC myself (4090). I love my PC, it is great when you are on unemployment and have hours to configure stuff (which I find fun). What sucks is having to lift the PC to work on it (it's heavy). Between my PS3/PS4/PS4 Pro x2/PS5, they all work pretty good. Easy to pick up and take to a hotel room if need be. You pick up and play. PC, I'll admit I use my Dualsense Edge to play most games on PC. I'm between 1-2 years ownership. I've had my Corsair AIO fail, with flashing red lights and fans spinning at 100% (lots of anxiety there) while saying pump failure. Of course it didn't fail, just some sensor BS. Took about a week for an RMA because Corsair doesn't get back to you on weekends, and slow during the week. Next up, the 13900k. The amount I had to learn on that before RMA, 100+ hours easy. Wattages, current, volts, CEP, C states.. I practically had to study to get my PC to even start a game eventually. BSOD and 100% fail rate on shader comp had been happening for months. PS5. 30 fps sucks, the graphics suck (if you seen better), everyone on YT tries to show parity with PC to make you think you have high end hardware in a PS5, and then when I see with my own eyes having a PS5 and 4090, you learn settings are so variable with PC, and everyone on YT has a narrative, bias, or trying to get paid by promoting companies. They have reason to make you think what they want you to think, and people eat it up like cream running down their face and dripping to their lips. It's crazy. YT videos with compression that hides pixelation and artifacts to the point where sometimes a PS4 (Jedi Survivor) looks close to a PS5, when you know that can't be true. When my PC failed though, my trusty PS5 was there. Slow as heck though, but it is quiet, portable, ready to go right when you hit the power button. I'm excited for the PS5 Pro. I'll be off unemployment soon, and likely to be on the road. I will not be taking my 4090 PC with me that I once threw my back out trying to lift to the garage to take out the AIO to replace, or replace the CPU and have to add a anti-bending bracket. I was unhappy with PS5 though at some point, and literally didn't play Horizon Forbidden West because 60fps mode looked awful, FSR blows, and waited for PS5 Pro, but ended up on PC instead since it was a year before PS5 Pros release. They lost me (subscription) for not releasing it sooner. So it goes both ways. PS5 looks like a base PS4 to me now as I'm use to maxing out my 4k 144hz OLED VRR. For those that say PS5 Pro should had did a new CPU, for what? 60fps? no way they were making a 7800x3d and 60 CU into a APU for 120hz gaming. The current Zen 2 is fine for 60hz and the GPU won't be good enough for heavy RT at 60hz anyway. The Witcher 3 on my 4090 maxed at 4k ultra with RT is 40fps, and I used FG to get to 60fps to avoid upscaling. No CPU bottleneck there, you just keep raising resolution. In most cases my CPU can prepare frames at a higher rate than I max my GPU at much less frames. Consoles max out their GPUs too to be the bottleneck and if they can do native 4k, they will.

[@avantewatson9793]

Very grounded and realistic assessment of your hardware, your needs and your situation. I am a console gamer first and foremost and also have a high end gaming desktop with an RTX 4090 in it as well, before i just recently built this my PC gaming exclusively was on my laptops, first an RTX 2070 laptop and now an RTX 3070 laptop. PC gaming comes with a ridiculous amount of issues and trouble shooting/tweaking that these people on the internet either hide or just gloss over and you always have to worry about some update or driver wether it is hardware related or software related on the development side possibly breaking something every time you just want to boot up and play a game. I like being able to turn on my PS5 and start a game within seconds without having to mess with shit. A lot of these people can't seem to comprehend this mindset and it is just odd to me.

[@avantewatson9793]

Although the performance on the PS5 is of course lesser than many PCs out there, the ease of use and plug and play coupled with the sheer amount of reliability a console provides is quite simply unmatched, I have never once had to think about "is my PlayStation going to work today?". All things created by man can and will have things fail but PCs, especially since I only want my machine for gaming, always have something up with them, while all of my consoles for the last 25+ years are still working and fine for what I bought them for in the first place.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

@@avantewatson9793, and with a console you can play games sitting on a couch in the living room.

[@avantewatson9793]

@@hectorj.romanp. yes indeed, I have made my desktop essentially a living room PC(setup in my room) connected to a 55inch 4K OLED right alongside my PS5 and other various consoles. People constantly talk about steam big picture mode and how easy and not complicated it is to use a PC in a living room setting, but you have to compare it to the ease of use of a console, which the console was specifically designed for, so it is leaps and bounds better.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

@@avantewatson9793, your room (or your man cave), not the family living room. So the computer can still be used as your personal computer (with privacy), not just for games or family entertainment. I guess you also have a computer monitor because your GPU has multiple outputs. I like your setup up and surely there are other people like yourself (years ago I had something similar but things changed).

[@rosco3866]

Will PCs high price drive player to PS5 pro?

[@lukmanlukman6847]

Ps5pro : No disc drive, no stand. What a scam. A total disgrace, I'm moving to PC Iphone : no headphone jack, no headset, no charging brick, no usb c (before 15). What a revolutionary product.

[@YourFriendlyGymRat]

I'll take 3 of those iphone please☝🏻

[@davidsentanu7836]

Also $2000. But hey, it can play Resident Evil 4 Remake!

[@dusermiginte4647]

You can build a pc with better specs for $700 = sony scammy...

[@davidsentanu7836]

@@dusermiginte4647 It is impossible to build all new, complete and small PC that is better specced than a PS5 Pro for $700.

[@dusermiginte4647]

@@davidsentanu7836 nope, there are tons of examples.. google it..

[@kongyiu]

It’s one of the many cases of ‘I might as well’. How many times I spend more than planned because by spending more I get a better deal or a much better product. Console users never thought about getting a PC. This might be the first time that there is a discussion about it. Well done Sony! You are trying to kill your own business!

Will the 2TB Xbox series X have some sort of change to its cpu/gpu? Or the price jump to $599 USD is strictly geared towards the 1extra TB?

[@ChaosAngelZero]

The price is the price, but the _VALUE_ is abysmal. PS5 Pro's biggest competition isn't PC or Xbox, it's the regular PS5.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

The Pro destroys the regular PS5 in FF7R. PSSR will keep getting better and the gap will widen

[@javierslytherin9898]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 Thats an unfair example, bc FF7R is unjustified awful in PS5. In many other games, there is not a huge difference between PS5 and PS5 Pro

[@johnbowen7314]

No, the pro is really aimed at someone like me. I want better visuals at 60, but have zero desire to wrestle with pc settings, and pc maintenance. If there was something like a steam deck box, that consolified using a pc then maybe I’d feel differently, but we’re not there just yet.

[@lupolinar]

4070?! That is some copium, right there. The Pro is more in the ball park of a base RX 6800.

[@nuthinguseful]

I've pretty much always been on both sides. I love the simplicity of a console but always loved the PC spec, so I've pretty much had hand in hand both. This however, combined with the steam deck, has finally made the push to all PC from now on. It just feels like it falls short of the kind of spec we'd want. My pc is running a 3080 and I was expecting the PS PRO to be at least a bit more powerful than that, but it just isn't really. Alex raises a really good point too. The flexibility of framerates for a pc too, if I want to get to 120fps on almost any modern graphics card, you can, if you're happy to drop loads of the vfx. This reversal is something I've not thought about so much but it's right there. A lot of the talk is about top line 4k graphics at 60 or so. But being able to have the option to play something like Just Cause 3 at 144fps on pc is of a lot of value too. Despite the PS PRO's ability to do this, you're locked into whatever the original ps settings were.

[@number1stunner1979]

I was on another channel and a guy was arguing with me about how his computer would dust a PS5 Pro. I said oh yeah, what kind of GPU are you running? He said a 4090. I just laughed.

[@lupolinar]

Really silly, a base RX 6800 is more then enough to crush the Pro.

[@number1stunner1979]

@@lupolinar My pc runs a RX 6800 and it barely out performs my PS5 so I can truthfully tell you it's not going to beat the PRO especially with ray tracing turned on

[@jsullivan2112]

@@number1stunner1979 What's the rest of your rig?

[@number1stunner1979]

@@jsullivan2112 ryzen 7 7800 with liquid cooler, rx6800 and 32gb ram

[@lupolinar]

@@number1stunner1979 Then you do something wrong - a mate of mine has a very similar system and the multi platform games run better on his rig. Maybe clean your windows?

[@V0lk]

Yeah, because if you hate spending $700 on a console, you'll LOVE spending $2000 on a PC GPU.

[@hanzobi1926]

I’d rather spend $2000 than on a non upgradable $700 device.

[@HaloGaming08]

That's the thing you can upgrade over time with a pc you can't do that with a console

[@daysgone2997]

@@hanzobi1926😂😂 buy 3 ps5 pros for that 😂

[@Smexbi]

You don't need a 2000$ GPU, but if you do, you get performance that will probably outshine a PS6 Pro. If you think about it, if you buy a high end PC rn, not only will you be able to run all current gen games perfectly fine, but also next generations games. Plus, no online subscribtion, and HUGE deals on Steam. Overall, if you buy a 2000$ GPU, like 4090, rn, you will be good for the next 10 years. Plus your performance will be better than anything on PS5 Pro, PS6, or PS6 Pro, and you will save money than buying all those consoles over the span of those 10 years. So yeah, go for it.

[@daysgone2997]

@@Smexbi can ya play astrobot?

[@RagingGrinch-TechGaming]

I have a 4090 paired with the i914900k. I split it to my 65 LG OLED and play just as comfortable in living room. As I do if I play on my console.

[@XXsupervisor]

I play both PC & Console. I find with PC that I spend way too much time tinkering with settings and not enough time actually playing the game

[@joseijosei]

What? Why would you spend more than 3 or 5 minutes there? If you hate it so much, why don't you just... don't? You do know settings adjust automatically for you depending on your hardware to target 60 fps, right?

[@haylonix]

My issue exactly. Too often i will encounter stuttering or some performance problem, by the time Ive tinkered with settings or googled to find a solution all immersion in the game is gone.

[@joseijosei]

@@haylonix What the hell are you guys talking about? Which game has those issues on PC only but not on consoles? I think you guys are just console fanboys lying, honestly. There's no way I'm the only one who doesn't touch his settings for more than 3 minutes.

[@haylonix]

@@joseijosei Do you primarily play on PC? If so, you are unlikely to relate. My PC only exists for PC only titles and for the rare occasions i want to run mods/plug-ins

[@joseijosei]

​@@haylonix Yeah, that's why I ask why would you spend so much time in a settings menu. Who does that? Specially if you hate that. I would assume that, just like your avarage pick me girl you see on Twitch, you would just ignore the settings menu because the game adjusts the settings for you to target a good performance depending on your hardware. On consoles you do have to see how games perform, otherwise you may encounter a lot of issues, like with Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon's Dogma 2, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk after the updates, Hellblade 2, Brothers A Tale Of Two Sons, Robocop, Remnant 2, Black Myth: Wukong, Starfield, Final Fantasy XIV, FF VII Rebirth, Immortals of Aveum, Lords Of The Fallen, etc. You do have to actually take the time to know which mode you should use, and all those games have stutters issues that either aren't present on PC, or are present in both platforms. If you had a 4090, like this guy, then NO GAME will run or look badly if you ignore the settings menu. Not a single one. You can just not worry about it, press start and just play. You don't have to be on KZbin looking at videos to see how well games perform. There is a reason why Digital Foundry videos on how games perform on consoles are so popular. People want to know which mode they should use.

[@kyosefgofa]

I'd argue that if the pandemic wasn't enough to convert most console players to PC, I don't think anything will. I fully converted to PC gaming because I started WFH and I needed a PC, all I had to do was add a GPU to start gaming. (Shout out to my uncle that sold me his GTX 1060 for a fair price) Some of my coworkers did the same but eventually moved back to console once the scalpers were gone.

[@moosewayne8434]

If you cared about power you would piece together a pc. If you just care about a brand you get this.

[@jameswatson5807]

Nah if you care about power then it is nothing less than 4090, no point in low range. If you go PC then go all the way.

[@moosewayne8434]

@@jameswatson5807Never said what gpu. Also what you said is stupid.

[@jameswatson5807]

@@moosewayne8434 Nope it is not stupid.

[@moosewayne8434]

@@jameswatson5807 it doesn’t much to get 60fps and high settings on everything. Rather than just accept what Ubisoft says you get.

[@jameswatson5807]

@@moosewayne8434 Ubisoft? I did not mention anything about thing about star wars outlaws.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

PS5 Professional at $700USD is still good value though. A good PC will cost at least three times that.

[@lupolinar]

You can get PS5 Pro like PC for under 1000$. You really overestimate the power of the Pro....

[@fcukugimmeausername]

​@@lupolinarand you underestimate what is defined as a 'good PC'. Lol.

[@fugitive6549]

@@fcukugimmeausername you can watch the new jaytwocents video. ps5 pro's CPU is a joke btw.