The Controversial Christian Nationalists Just Can't Stop... (Conversations that Matter)

Jon Harris hosted a conversation with Stephen Wolfe, William Wolfe, and some other guys on G3's critique of their radical views on Christian nationalism. In doing so they added even more controversy and honestly it's just awful.
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Their conversation that splattered:
• Breakdown of the G3 & ...

[@waakow]

That question isn't racist. Is it racist to ask a racist if racism is wrong? Then thier answer was clearly against racism. You missed the whole point of letting that question be asked to begin with. It was to give the most bad faith question a clear answer to show that they are in fact NOT racist.

[@Star-dj1kw]

There is no reason for a discussion on interracial marriage. There is already a Biblical precedent for it. Moses had a wife from Ethiopia. When his sister criticized the marriage and that she wasn’t getting to be top dog like Moses, God defended Moses and blasted her. Aaron was involved too. God never scolded Moses for the Cushite wife. There is only a prohibition against marrying a person outside of your faith.

[@JhutaNabi]

Truth! 💯

[@Underdogtheology]

And that’s part of the problem of saying ethnicity is based on culture. Because if they can Christianize the culture then it would quickly become you can’t marry that person who looks different because they are from a bad culture.

[@JhutaNabi]

@@Underdogtheology Well said, Dean.

[@danielchile76]

Not sure I agree with this statement that because the Bible already has settle a discussions, you shouldn’t entertain a question about it. How do you know this is a new Christian who is struggling with this subject and is looking for guidance? I’m on an interracial marriage. I’m Hispanic/indigenous married to an American (finish/Swedish) and I believe that even though this is absolutely right, there is a conversation to be had about that because on top of all the given things that marriage brings just by itself, when you marry interculturally/interracially, there are way more difficulties or things one should consider. Again, I’m all for it, but just asking the question shouldn’t cause this level of overreaction.

[@JhutaNabi]

@@danielchile76 I hear you. There definitely is a place to discuss this topic. IMO, the best place for such a discussion is the church/community of faith that one is a part of. That said, I'll defer to you and others if a podcast is a good place to shed light and advice on this topic.

[@Wren_Farthing]

Amen, Dean!!! Stephen Wolfe has had every opportunity to draw very clear distinctions from kinists/racists, and he persists in being obscure with his language, Many of his cohorts follow suit. That moment in the video with the racist question was a prime example. They no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[@hawkabomb]

Growing up in a Hispanic culture, ideas such as marrying your own people regarding the various different kinds of Hispanic & Latino cultures, including races are still commonly taught--I don't necessarily agree with it, and I did marry someone from a different Latino culture. But I'm pretty sure most of the world, except the West and westernized portions still think one should marry into your own group. It's not racist--it's okay for different groups of people to remain different and want to be different. Modern American thought isn't universal.

[@carolbarlow8896]

At 9:30 on this video you volunteered that the answer is to be a rude Christian. No. The G3 guys are accusing the CNs of wanting an American pope which is hyperbolic and dishonest. The CNs accuse the G3 dudes of not caring about the need for a civil society. Also a little unfair. You seem to have insufficiently studied either side. I typically like your stuff but this time you aren’t contributing to a fuller understanding of the issue.

[@darrelljackson6175]

Jon Harris is phenomenal.

[@Underdogtheology]

Then why was this so awful?

[@darrelljackson6175]

Ask Jon to explain his response. Interact with him.

[@davidgodoy826]

Jon is very helpful with social justice and all the woke garbage 🗑 but this Christian nationalist is just bringing division to the body of Christ

[@akadwriter]

‘People of different ethnic groups can exercise respect for difference, conduct some routine business with each other, join in inter-ethnic alliances for mutual good, and exercise common humanity (e.g., the good Samaritan), but they cannot have a life together that goes beyond mutual alliance.’ Stephen Wolfe, "The Case For Christian Nationalism" If people of different ethnic groups CANNOT have a life beyond mutual alliance, wouldn't that preclude interethnic marriage? Because marriage goes FAR BEYOND "mutual alliance" and is becoming one, biblically speaking!!

[@noutheticcounseling5447]

What in the world kind of question is marrying within your own race? Which is wrong in its terminology! I think he meant ethnicity. I find that question highly offensable since I am a white Anglo Saxon in the US and am engaged to a filapina. And considering she is such a godly woman I feel very blessed that the Lord has given her to me. But since we are both Christian we ARE marrying within our our ethnicity/culture. Even Abraham married a second wife named Ketura; Gen. 25:1, whom based on biblical scholars was from Africa. Biblically speaking the Scriptures teach that inter-marrying has to do with faith, not race, ethnicity, or skin color; 2 Cor. 6:14-18. Although marriage is a consistent application of the contextual interpretation of this passage. Additionally, mocking or rebuking those who intermarry outside their physical cultural ethnicity is condemned by God; Num. 12:1-16. Again, Moses second marriage to a Cushite woman but most likely from Ethiopia, was racially discriminated against as a pretense to question God's chosen human authority. Aaron and Miriam quickly found out not to question God's annoiting on His chosen leader. It seems that racial biases have now and always were used as a trigger point to gain authority, and an oppressive one at that to get the world to conform to your agenda or be cast out. What is the end game for these "political" Post-Mil guys and pushing Christian Nationalism like it's just an America only paradigm? Why are guys in this group mocking and attacking the men at G3 and the leaders at Prays Mill Baptist Church? There is a major split coming and its going to be about having the proper view of eschatology (which in their minds is Post-Mil) as a test of orthodoxy. I sure hope it doesn't come to that!

[@waakow]

The west settled in the americas and have been here for almost 500 years. How long do you think it takes for a people to be considered "from" a place?

[@time2pray777]

I think the guy meant it’s not a problem if you want to marry your own race, he said it’s not a big deal which I think it’s true it’s not, you can marry, whoever you want. If you wanna marry your own race that’s fine there’s a lot of cultures that they, encourage you to marry your own race. If you want to then go for it, if you don’t then go for that, I didn’t see that full episode but from your video you do seem more angry about this- not sure what that’s about but the question and how they answered the question didn’t bother me. They didn’t say that marrying within your own race makes you better so that’s good.

[@reformedpilgrim]

This was pretty bad. Additionally, I don’t understand why the CN guys need validation from G3. It’s very strange to me. If the CN guys believe in their cause, why do they seek the approval of men?

[@Underdogtheology]

I think it’s because they know g3 can squash them.

[@reformedpilgrim]

@@Underdogtheology Good point. I don't typically watch G3, but I'm guessing they have a broader reach than the CN minority.

[@ctvtmo]

All cultures are the same? So ancient Israelite and ancient Canaanite culture are equally the same?

[@onderkruiper]

Don't try to procreate your own people, you are not a racist are you? Btw Haiti is equal in its status as America. This guy is ridiculous.

[@ataxcollector695]

Yeah... I'm gonna have to disagree with you a little bit on this one, Dean. Not completely, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a bit. While I agree addressing that question at all was was completely tone deaf on their part, I don't think they're aware that this question is racist and I believe it's due to the fact that they don't really interact with people of different races that often to hear their perspective on why a statement like that is problematic. You mentioned in your Christendom 2.0 video, Dean, that the MacArthur-esque fundamentalist movement is moving away from big cities to more rural areas, which have lower ethnic minority populations. So, it doesn't surprise me that this question would even be brought up. They live in a bubble where the only opinions that matter (or dare I say, exist) are the opinions of people living in their bubble. With all that said, I watched the video like 4x to see if I missed something and I didn't think the actual response to the question was bad at all. He said there's nothing wrong with interracial marriage, and I totally agree. Dean, you could do a whole show just addressing fundamentalism and their problems with race and I'm sure you could come up with a 1000x more egregious and blatant examples of racism in the church than this. Just sayin 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@DaveTheAmerican]

Keep up the great work, brother! Love you to life, and there’s nothing you can do about it!

[@Underdogtheology]

😎

[@fndrr42]

Bizarre is the perfect word!!!!

[@JhutaNabi]

You know @DeanLentini, I wish these guys would take the opportunity to go live in another part of the world for a year or two and minister there. And I don’t mean Australia or Europe. Go to the Middle East or east. They will come back changed men. When their pop culture theology runs aground on the shoals of a strange culture, they will learn what is enduring and acceptable about Christianity to any and every culture on the planet. You know, real Christianity.

[@LampWaters]

Right response & friends ...that's it too this idea that their culture, their view, their works ir response or intelect is the superior way.

[@joezaragoza4577]

I love your channel, Dean, keep it up! I started writing a comment and it got really long so I deleted it. So to sum up, I do consider these Christian Nationalist guys racist believe when they talk about “Ethnicities” as culture not race, they are talking about their own culture. African American churches are different than Korean Churches which are different than Latino Churches etc. All believe the same theology for the most part, but practice differently and they want to make their “Christianity” based on their own culture which is largely white. Even the head of the Babylon Bee went so far as to say Black Christians aren’t real Christians because they didn’t get good theology during segregation because they weren’t allowed to go to White Churches which had the “correct theology.” They try to say race doesn’t matter to them but it always ends up at race.

[@Underdogtheology]

I hear ya.

[@r.j.miller]

I am in a “mixed” race marriage and what they said was extremely grieving for me. Completely unbiblical! I personally don't see a defense of these statements. Fear of others is not a defense. More than how they treated interracial marriage…I don't believe these “men of god” would sit down and learn from a persicuted, imprisoned pastor from, lets say North Korea. 😢 their arrogance in this video makes me believe they would “teach” the persecuted pastor how to create a Christian nation. 🤮 The American Way of expressing Christianity is NOT the only biblical interpretation. The rhetoric that is used by fundies and honestly a significant part of evangelicalism, is the same I read used by Rome before the Reformation to silence the reformers. Dean are you leading a small group of Reformed today? 😊

[@Star-dj1kw]

RJ, I don’t think these guys qualify as fundamentalists. They go behind that. Paul said we’re to mark and avoid people like this. A 3rd grader could shred their dum dum reasoning. Hold your head high.

[@ezbody]

Don't take it to heart, most Christian Nationalists are not even Christian, they just use Christianity as cover. Americans haven't grasped yet that their country is under attack from within. That's what many of these "Christian" groups are doing.

[@skyred2]

Definitely not the best question or answer but i also think you are over reacting.

[@Underdogtheology]

You’re entitled to your opinion.

[@TulipErasmus]

I agree. I think this is an honest question and not only appropriate to address but helpful.

[@leighalaughlin4056]

You're just saying that because you follow every Christian nationalist heretic on you tube 😂

[@leighalaughlin4056]

Do you believe Trump is a Christian

[@leighalaughlin4056]

William over in the corners puffing smoke looking around afraid to go against his white CN buds

[@LampWaters]

One issue is these guys redefine words like faith and ethnicity. There's 1 definition of faith and 1 definition of ethnicity especially if your talking to an audience that has 1 understanding of these words and to redefine words is literally manipulation

[@smt0202]

That's the problem is that you dont do your homework on a lot of your videos - that question was not inherintly racist, not according to the Bible, only according to the world. If you have a worldly worldview, many things will seem racist, patriarchial, etc to you - until you read the Bible look at things from a Biblical perspective. That was a legitimate question that is on minds of many people in our society and these guys tried to take a stab at it and you would rather ignore the question all together?

[@Cuefrost101]

What's up Dean !!!

[@williambranch4283]

Christian Nationalism glows.

[@waakow]

If you don't think that certain cultures are better than others then you are wrong.

[@waakow]

Don't conflate culture and race.

[@elainesabatino7467]

Race and Culture are inextricably linked. No White Guilt Forever! 🤍👍

[@ezbody]

You are talking about NASCAR, right?

[@everydaygaines]

The way you’re painting the asking of this question is just wrong man. I know you know that that topic has been one of controversy over the last few months. He was puffing smoke the entire conversation too. I mean I don’t think you are fair to people on the right at all. You do not give benefit of the doubt.

[@fndrr42]

Gotta admit it’s kind of enjoyable to watch them fight

[@Star-dj1kw]

Gulp 🤮 I skimmed through the videos in the Harris guys KZbin Channel. BAD BAD. 👎🏼👎🏼

[@LampWaters]

Why does Harris who can pick the questions to ask or skip push for response on interracial marriage. Disturbed

[@britineywarren]

Jon Harris the confederacy guy?

[@Underdogtheology]

Not sure, maybe?

[@mattwilly7959]

These guys would fit in well with the Russian Orthodox Church and Putin. Might be why they all think men like Putin are "saving Christianity."

[@ataxcollector695]

Yeah... I'm gonna have to disagree with you a little bit on this one, Dean. Not completely, but I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a bit. While I agree addressing that question at all was was completely tone deaf on their part, I don't think they're aware that this question is racist and I believe it's due to the fact that they don't really interact with people of different races that often to hear their perspective on why a statement like that is problematic. You mentioned in your Christendom 2.0 video, Dean, that the MacArthur-esque fundamentalist movement is moving away from big cities to more rural areas, which have lower ethnic minority populations. So, it doesn't surprise me that this question would even be brought up. They live in a bubble where the only opinions that matter (or dare I say, exist) are the opinions of people living in their bubble. With all that said, I watched the video like 4x to see if I missed something and I didn't think the actual response to the question was bad at all. He said there's nothing wrong with interracial marriage, and I totally agree. Dean, you could do a whole show just addressing fundamentalism and their problems with race and I'm sure you could come up with a 1000x more egregious and blatant examples of racism in the church than this. Just sayin 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Underdogtheology]

You’re entitled to your opinion. But Sweater vest guy had an opportunity to give a strong answer on an easy question and decided to go with well it’s “common.” Marriage is marriage regardless of ethnicity. That should have been the answer. Respect though man.