00:00:00 Intro 00:06:04 Who Are Ruby and Jodi? 00:21:39 The 8 Passengers Videos 00:45:14 The Connexions Videos: Principles of Truth and Distortion 01:10:36 Made Up Words 01:45:57 Hating Everyone 01:56:52 The Tiktok Incident 02:14:50 Women, Mothers and Parenting 02:44:32 Lies and Paranoia 02:56:41 Victim Blaming 03:02:41 No Privacy 03:28:39 The Current Situation
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
3 and a half hours?!?! No wonder you went on that vacation
@blakea.e.1681 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Rachel, something to look forward to while I’m feeling horrible with the flu ❤
@BestFriendsWhoLiveTogether Жыл бұрын
You might want to pin this comment before it gets swallowed up by other comments
@Jainaivyalice Жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing such a comprehensive video on this. Those poor kids.
@Wander_and_flow Жыл бұрын
I started this a while ago and have had to pause a few times for work stuff and just realized I’m like less than halfway through. This is incredible, Rachel!!
@TheNationalfilmbored Жыл бұрын
I find the idea that kids don't have a right to privacy in the BATHROOM extremely alarming. That's straight up humiliation, possibly sexually violating depending on the circumstances
@suds9365 Жыл бұрын
Sad thing is I live a few hours from the city she lives in, and unfortunately with mormon families this type of psychological abuse Is very common here 😔
@annie27233 Жыл бұрын
You're so right. Look at the recent cases I.e. Lori and Chad Daybell and a few more
@suds9365 Жыл бұрын
@@PhD72 there is a very strong case of the Lds church being a cult. They teach things that make you put all your trust in the church and not in other influences and normalizes Negative self reflection so you can find “peace in god.” That’s not even to mention the rampant Sexual abuse cases towards Minors that the church knew about deliberately hid from the law
@smidgen Жыл бұрын
@@PhD72 well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and passes the BITE model....
@Ssylphie Жыл бұрын
@@PhD72people often equate the church of Latter Day Saints TO cultists. I’m not sure if you’re Mormon or not, but it is well known that abuse runs rampant amongst Mormons, whether it be amongst believers, or the church elders.
@purplelily7764 Жыл бұрын
Watching her cry over the kids listening to flo rider saying they’re not being protected while knowing she starved and tied up her children with duct tape is insane
@KireiC Жыл бұрын
Honestly it feels like the kids recovered from Jodi's house were coming dangerously close to being "protected from the world" by Ruby and Jodi through being shoved off the mortal coil. It's terrifying.
@8114梦见 Жыл бұрын
Really though. That principal must have had incredible temperance to deal with Ruby so gracefully during that interview.
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
I mean, it’s really not appropriate to expose kids to that song as a school. I understand that but not the reaction.
@ninasage7735 Жыл бұрын
She should listen to what kids are listening today she would not be able to make it in the really world
@osajohnson1957 Жыл бұрын
Yes! It's Deja Vallow all over again.@@KireiC
@saintsomnia8030 Жыл бұрын
"Don't feel sorry for (immigrants), they know what they're doing is illegal" Well, considering that Jodi and Ruby knew child abuse was illegal, I'll take her advice and have no sympathy for them :)
@theroguescholarmanual Жыл бұрын
There is an excellent book by an Anthropology professor at UCLA, Jason DeLeon, who studied the Sonoran Desert (the open space Jodi blames on Biden that has been open for about 30 years). He talks about how the US government uses that opening in the fence as execution by the environment. It's a fantastic study written with so much empathy for undocumented migrants. I should send the book to Jodi to read while she's awaiting trial.
@chesneymigl4538 Жыл бұрын
@thewitchacademic7489 Didn't know about that book, but the bodies that mummify out there has been in the news. They even go out and destroy water bottles put out by religious missionaries attempting to help.
@theroguescholarmanual Жыл бұрын
@@chesneymigl4538@chesneymigl4538 I don't watch the news if I can help it, so I haven't seen anything about the unification, but I will look it up. It's awful that anyone would mess with water supplies. These are human beings trying to get to something better in life. The lack of humanity astounds me.
@belpop Жыл бұрын
But but but- they were acting in the “TRUTH”! 🙄
@Amira_Phoenix11 ай бұрын
Knives for Christmas and FISH 🐟🐟 in the garden.... some surreal nightmare 😮
@hopefulmonsters4407 Жыл бұрын
That neighbour who called 911 had such empathy for that boy and what he went through. His weeping cut me deep.
@Younce_Davies Жыл бұрын
If it wasn't for that kid escaping, I think there would have been death(s)
@tia2237 Жыл бұрын
@@Younce_Daviesall of the neighbors around Ruby fully believed that the only way her abuse would've been noticed by authorities was through a body bag. (Note: they called police and CPS multiple times but nothing was done about it)
@Lucaz99 Жыл бұрын
That poor neighbor will have that scene ingrained in his memory forever
@BlueHeron654 Жыл бұрын
He has more emotion for the kid than any of the family members.
@Lucaz99 Жыл бұрын
@@BlueHeron654 I’m sure you talking about their extended family, the kids elder sister has been to court and even compiled evidence for the police.
@k.stacey7389 Жыл бұрын
The pure JOY that monster shows when punishing her kids is disgusting. It’s literally the only time she smiles.
@paulatamaramohamad5794 Жыл бұрын
This is a woman who shouldn't have kids but in her culture she never had the option. Or she's a psycho. Or both
@DS-ub1jm Жыл бұрын
I very rarely have the overwhelming urge to hit someone but Rubys stupid fuckin grin at her kids crying make me wish violence
@ianclark2665 Жыл бұрын
Wow, great observation.
@KaliqueClawthorne Жыл бұрын
This laughter too. It's just disgusting
@annawallace3383 Жыл бұрын
100%. The only time you see joy on her face. It makes me feel sick
@majasteinchen Жыл бұрын
Ruby is against women/girls dressing up to "get attention for their bodies" - but showers, does her hair and puts on make up before bringing her kid to a hospital
@jodibraun6383 Жыл бұрын
And let's not forget those false eyelashes.
@solomonverrico Жыл бұрын
She couldn't even fathom the idea that women can dress for themselves and not be walking around hoping everyone's drooling over her. Considering her general inability to empathize with anyone, that was pretty telling. Then again, a big chunk of her pseudo self-help nonsense was just regurgitating abstinence dogma and the fingers in ears lalalalalalalala sort of standard puritanical rhetoric.
@cartergomez5390 Жыл бұрын
When I first saw this story I wondered how that beautiful lady could do something wrong but now I see that she was tricking people with her beauty and her soul is very ugly because the soul is what we keep after the body dies and that is true for everybody.
@MoraiBear11 ай бұрын
I was absolutely appalled that she was stalling taking her child to the hospital for incredibly alarming symptoms
@FIRING_BLIND11 ай бұрын
@@cartergomez5390how old are you? Beauty has nothing to do with being a good or bad person or what someone does. The world isn't a Disney movie where the Villain has to look all dark and brooding and/or ugly, and the Hero and Princess are the most beautiful characters in the whole film....the world doesn't work like that. You sound very young and naive to he thinking that "the beautiful lady" couldn't be hurting others
@ard4461 Жыл бұрын
She openly talks about the fact that she "punished" her children so much they became numb to it, and tasked herself with devising even more cruel ways to break their spirits. According to her vlogs they had no privacy, no possessions, no friends, yet still she kept taking away what little sources of joy they had. She even treats basic bodily needs like food like a luxury to be earned from her. Its just a disgusting, self-aggrandizing power trip. She enjoyed lording power over her children and making them suffer.
@NeoNovastar Жыл бұрын
I hope she never sees her children ever again. Ever.
@8114梦见 Жыл бұрын
They both seem to get a sick satisfaction of children being broken down and hurt, especially from the way they will describe stripping away privacy of a child and exclaim happily “that’s love, that’s truth!”
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
That's what these punishments do. Those kids were on full defense all the times. It's why these horrible people keep doing more and more demeaning things because they yearn for that power over their victims. Once the kids become numb, abusers take it further to keep their supply.
@osajohnson1957 Жыл бұрын
ruby and jodi both ganged up on kevin. he was kicked out of the house because he failed their orders to stop experiencing pleasure.
@PinkKelly07 Жыл бұрын
@@NeoNovastarEVERRRRRRRR
@Tiggs84 Жыл бұрын
"You can not be pressured into doing something, you can't. that would rob you of agency and it is not possible to rob a person of their agency" Nice that she chose to be arrested, I am glad she agrees that needed to happen.
@scarletthecat1491 Жыл бұрын
LMAO
@ceinwenchandler4716 Жыл бұрын
(sigh) I think she was mangling the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' doctrine about free will. We believe that GOD respects our free will and will let us make our own choices, even if those choices are horrible. Not that it's impossible for one person to compromise another's agency.
@WyattRyeSway Жыл бұрын
Awesome comment!
@Kae-fs3gk Жыл бұрын
@@ceinwenchandler4716she definitely follows the extremist LDS beliefs
@Nora-xk5tf Жыл бұрын
What heck is "Agency?" It's use in a sentence sounds like one's SOUL. Is this a LDS Mormon coined term? @@ceinwenchandler4716
@melzk748 Жыл бұрын
The fact that she was upset about the school playing that one part of the song, yet uploaded videos of her daughter shaving for the first time, etc. shows that she doesn’t care about the “safety” of the child, she just wants to control every aspect of the child’s life. Putting that content out on the internet is only inviting child predators to view it. So problematic and disgusting.
@alwaysflushinpublic9 ай бұрын
TY for this POV. I was raised in IBLP (cult of the duggars) and religion was used to make this point that we are never responsible for ancestors behaviors. The IBLP cult used all these ideas to support racism, homophobia and ironically - "evil". I wish that those seeking to support their personal hatred would seek where this began. Dr James Dobson demanded parents send sons who were not "manly" and girls who were not "feminine" to conversion therapy and outward bound dessert programs. These churches whether LDS or IBLP justified extreme abuse of minors. I would love for real TRUTH SEEKERS link the various cults to hate based child rearing. I also that these cult fanatics link up with Desantis / Florida mentality. 😥
@Romaine_Letttuce Жыл бұрын
the privacy part really makes me glad for my parents, the other day I got another bookshelf and invited my mom to hang out with me while i organized my books and when i was done and she left she thanked me and i was like for what and she said for inviting her into my private space since I'm a teen and it just made me happy and people like this make me even more grateful for my parents
@Tina-fj4xo Жыл бұрын
These moments mean so so much ❤
@ldolan4051 Жыл бұрын
💕
@pariahcarrey Жыл бұрын
heartwarming 🧡
@problem.skinnn Жыл бұрын
That’s so lovely, thank you for sharing 🥰
@lesanimaux4416 Жыл бұрын
Your mom is awesome ❤
@melissab3217 Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine was forced into one of those troubled teen wilderness camps. They literally kidnapped him in the night and wouldn't let him speak for weeks or even know where he was. He had to "earn" his ability to talk, shelter, food, etc. He still has PTSD over a decade later.
@lydiarouse8241 Жыл бұрын
Omg that’s straight up abuse. So awful. So they kidnapped him and didn’t even tell him what was happening. I think anyone would have ptsd from being literally kidnapped and not know what’s happening. Cruelty
@dianeratti5644 Жыл бұрын
You need jail time like forever !!!!!!!!! You both are sickening
@abelis644 Жыл бұрын
@@lydiarouse8241 Those monsters should be locked up, life without parole. Period.
@lizziet6043 Жыл бұрын
This happened to me when i was about 16 and it was one of the most traumatic expierences of my life. Two men grabbed me from my bed at 3 am and drove me to Georgia. They dont let you talk to anyone for a few days and withhold food and other things in order to get you to comply. They censored our letters home, took our shoes, and left us out during blizzards and hurricanes. Mine wasn't as bad as some of the other ones ive heard about but it is really tough and I dont think it should be allowed.
@trailertrish Жыл бұрын
i had a friend go thru that too. it took him years to forgive his parents for it.
@wintyforever Жыл бұрын
The fact that she talks about how numb they are to her punishments. Because that’s what people do when they are constantly abused, they disassociate.
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
I was verbally abused as a child, and dissociating is exactly what I often did. Of course he hated when I tuned out, because he knew it was a defense mechanism.
@rebeccastanley807511 ай бұрын
Yes!!!
@juleztetreault24677 ай бұрын
I was verbally and physically abused, and believe it or not the verbal abuse hurts worse . So these monsters are a trigger for me all involved. Not just Jody and Frankie
@introusas5 ай бұрын
Yep and that shit lasts long into adulthood, long after the danger has passed. It takes a lot of work to snap out of it. And even then you’ll never snap out of it fully, it’ll always come out eventually.
@alroyravenscroft5831 Жыл бұрын
I don't know what scares me more. The horrific child abuse or the fact that Ruby and Jodi were dangerously close to starting a real cult. Not only were their kids in danger, they were putting countless other children in danger with "Connextions". I hope they're both charged to the fullest extent of the law and they get to know their cell mates REALLY well
@WyattRyeSway Жыл бұрын
Actually, it’s possible they have created more victims by training parents that it’s ok to be abusive. Other kids are no doubt abused or more abused because of these women is mind numbing.
@daybyday0731 Жыл бұрын
Amen to that!!
@alroyravenscroft5831 Жыл бұрын
@@WyattRyeSway yeah that's what I'm saying. They've absolutely created more victims by what they preached and it's so sad to me. I'm just not sure which is scarier
@sn2a1 Жыл бұрын
There is a real cult, there are more moms and kids in danger STILL.
@spinelessdevil Жыл бұрын
@@WyattRyeSwayabuse and CSA does major psychological harm to the minor and it's torture The abusers deserve to be under the jail
@nekovalley Жыл бұрын
Ruby breaking down over her child being “introduced to the world” is extremely telling on how parents like this don’t see their children as real, young people that deserve to know and understand the world around them as they become more able to comprehend it, but as pets and accessories to be controlled. She doesn’t want a child who is capable of making their own choices and forming their own opinions, she wants a child that she can control until they turn eighteen, upon which she will grow disinterested and force them to fend for themselves in a world she didn’t prepare them for. Absolutely disgusting human garbage.
@foreverwander0320 Жыл бұрын
Yes! As a parent I’m always thinking about how I can set my children up for success in life. Helping them learn to manage anger and disappointment, to understand safety, consent, autonomy and trust. To help them find what they enjoy and do well. It’s like Ruby has never thought about her kids as adults. How will being online so much affect them? How will feeling as if they owned nothing growing up impact their sense of security? How will tying disapproval, pain, and scarcity to food affect their eating habits? How will telling them repeatedly that you want them out of “your” house the day they turn 18 impact them (and your future relationship with them). She has no interest in relationships with Shari or Chad because they’ve outlived their “usefulness” to her. It’s sad, and sort of enraging that they were giving parenting/life advice.
@Where_is_Waldo Жыл бұрын
@@foreverwander0320 Oh, it's very enraging.
@DirkthePanda Жыл бұрын
It's sad, because Ruby seems to parent in a way that shapes her kids into clones of herself in terms of thoughts, opinions, etc. It's like she just wants to repopulate the world with more people exactly like her to spread an objective "truth" of socialization and ethics.
@lilithdvs13 Жыл бұрын
As a mother, I absolutely see my children as my property and I really don’t care how many people get offended by it. I birthed them after 9 months of agonizing labour. They literally owe their lives to me. It is only fair that I am rewarded for my sacrifices.
@AnnaVictrix Жыл бұрын
I actually believed that happened but not the way she frames it. That one of the kids got access to the internet and realized that how their mother behaves is not normal. I’m in abuse recovery and controlling, narcissistic women like this see your boundaries and even your needs as “abuse” - because you’re focusing on yourself and not on them.
@zerozeroren Жыл бұрын
As a philologist, I'm so irritated at their use of language. "This is a made up word.." lady all words are made up. Language is a fucking ever-evolving construct. And that poor principal, I feel for her, and I know what her smiling through this was like. Dealing with crazy parents is one of the worst aspects of being an educator, she's probably so tired of this shit. I sincerely hope they won't give the kids back to this absolute monster and her hideous cultist enabler.
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
"THAT'S A MADE-UP WORD REEEEE" from the people who gave us "soaking," "Mia Maid," "beehive," "bridle [your] passions," "curelom," appearance of evil," "eternal companion," "magnify [your] calling," "plural marriage," "earth-quaking," and "FHE."
@maddieb.42826 ай бұрын
To be fair there are a lot of prescriptivist linguists out there still….
@kirajo6559 Жыл бұрын
How freakish to say that your young child has not “ repented” for their “ vile behavior”. Also very telling that they took the original punishment of cleaning the floors and had good attitudes about it and that wasn’t enough for her because it didn’t hurt them enough. That to me shows it’s not about correcting their behavior and is just her needing to hurt her children for her own sick pleasure.
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this. And then how much do you want to bet that if they actually show pain towards a punishment that they will be punished further while being accused of have a bad attitude about the punishment??
@mse90 Жыл бұрын
I can't help but notice the way she's always smiling whenever she talks about giving her children 'visceral, tactile, physical' experiences. This woman clearly enjoys abusing her children and then rationalizing it as moral superiority, and it's incredibly disturbing.
@KenotheWolf Жыл бұрын
Agreed, her stupid grinning and repeating how she had control over all. „All is mine.“
@kylefinn5301 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. She also fucking laughs. What an absolute psychopath.
@spinelessdevil Жыл бұрын
this does severe psychological damage to the minors brain growth and it falls under CSA since it's robbing them of freedom of privacy and safety to the core
@katie8325 Жыл бұрын
I hope someone shows her some “moral superiority” in jail
@mebactually Жыл бұрын
You just know Ruby was a Known Entity to every single teacher and admin in that school system.
@myearthhaven Жыл бұрын
Ableism is a chronic problem in the Mormon faith. Their ableist language is the language I heard throughout my childhood. It is this kind of culture that caused my Mormon mother to refuse to get my brother and me evaluated for Autism when our teachers suggested it. She didn't want the label to hurt us within the society we lived in. You know autism is a likely diagnosis when a teacher wanted a girl to be evaluated for it in 1989. My brother and I spent decades not understand what made us so different from our peers because of the fear.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
I think this is also rooted in the lack of respect to the science of child development. Ruby was describing neurotypical two year olds as selfish sinners ffs. I would hate to see how she treats neurodivergent children.
@thatonegaybitch1811 Жыл бұрын
@@spOOkytimesif they weren’t already neurodivergent before, they definitely are now, because they’re gonna have some pretty severe c-ptsd. my heart breaks for them.
@myearthhaven Жыл бұрын
@@spOOkytimes Mormonism has a profound lack of respect for science in general. The oil company Doterra is Mormon-owned and pushes its oils as alternatives to medical care. I have witnessed Mormon housewives try to sell Doterra's Frankincense oil to my best friend as a treatment for her epilepsy. This is just one example of the culture these two women come from. We also have seen how she treats neurodivergent children. Ruby's two youngest were diagnosed with ADHD before Jodi came into their lives.
@HaruDoneYet Жыл бұрын
Oh definitely. People from the church ask me if there’s a cure after finding out I’m autistic and they act weird or straight up ignore me. Growing up I was friends with some neighbors who were the stereotypical Mormon family. Well the mom told me I wasn’t allowed to play with her kids anymore because she felt I was a bad influence and didn’t want her sons to act like me.
@edvh88 Жыл бұрын
@@spOOkytimesthey are def selfish but that’s as it should be! I love the term “selfish sinners” in an ironic way. Ruby is super selfish. I don’t believe in sin but her arrogance and selfishness is awful.
@shannonking8298 Жыл бұрын
I believe one of the items in that bag of the kids possessions they had to earn back, was Chad's homework for school. And then I believe they punished him for bad grades
@foreverwander0320 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it was his homework. He had to do a chore to buy back his homework. Those kids will need so much therapy.
@WitchOracle Жыл бұрын
Yikes. Reminds me of the convoluted rules my grandparents had for my dad growing up: he had to go to private school, but he has to pay his own tuition, so he had to get a job, but then he wasn't allowed to have access to his car to go to his job because he spent too much time working and didn't have time to do his homework. Needless to say he ended up graduating from public school and didn't have a great relationship with his parents the rest of their lives.
@AnnaVictrix Жыл бұрын
Yeah, abusive parents are really big on no-win situations like that. Over time, you end up feeling powerless and any effort against the abuse feels hopeless, so you just go along to get along.
@lilithdvs13 Жыл бұрын
@@AnnaVictrixNo-win situation is a great motivating tool, you just need to apply it more skillfully like Ruby does. It is very well documented that unloved children will do everything they can and push themselves to extremes to earn their parents’ love. There is no greater motivation to succeed in life than “mommy didn’t love me”. Look at President Trump, one of the all-time great American presidents, is a product of this approach. Of course most children give up and never succeed once they learned they are helpless. But that’s also exactly why Ruby has 6 children. Just write Chad off aa failed investment and try again as her next children.
@MadameSomnambule Жыл бұрын
@@lilithdvs13I don’t think you should look to Trump as an example of good parenting results. He assaulted women ffs.
@JolieMote-gi4po Жыл бұрын
notice how scared her kids were to say anything around her, in fear of getting punished. it’s sad what these poor kids had to go through for so long and nothing was done about it. people like ruby and kevin don’t deserve children, they only want them to feel in control and have dominance over them, it’s genuinely sad and disgusting i feel horrible for them all.
@brophaner Жыл бұрын
So according to them, A child can make distorted decisions as early as newborn A child can not have privacy A child is fine without food A child can not interact with people the mom doesn't know or approve of A child can't joke around with siblings or they'll be punished A child does not need their own room Threats of harm to the children or what they care about is fine A child is not allowed to choose their clothes Love is conditional Everything is a choice (except for what is "normal") Words do not mean anything unless it is what they want them to mean A child is not owed ANYTHING ...and yet, children are "a gift" and should under no circumstances not be born through a forced pregnancy. So they basically think children should be puppets or mindless slaves.
@LezBeeHonest Жыл бұрын
Its terrifying to think how many other kids are neglected due to this sick religious belief.
@blondbraid7986 Жыл бұрын
US "christians" seem to consider fetuses as autonomous human beings, but born and living children are just property of their parents which they should be allowed to endanger at will.
@Cecil... Жыл бұрын
Ah-ah-ah! The child's love for YOU must be unconditional. You conditionally love them based on whether or not they love you exactly the way you want. 😊
@brophaner Жыл бұрын
@Cecil... Ah, of course. Just like a pet you won't feed until it does a trick.
@jakebe4915 Жыл бұрын
Like caged starved animals, caged starved children ..chilling
@crownclowncreations Жыл бұрын
What I find so extremely disturbing, is how comfortable Ruby was about filming and posting videos of her abusing her kids. Imagine all the things she did that she was _not_ comfortable showing the outside world!
@hydroplayne Жыл бұрын
a great example of this is Chad’s bedroom being taken away. If Chad hadn’t said it, we don’t know if we’d ever find out. It had been 7 months and we had no idea because Ruby can control what goes out
@rotisseriepossum Жыл бұрын
@@hydroplayneim surprised she even posted the video of him saying it tbh, she barely even denied it
@smilingjacks83 Жыл бұрын
This.
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
@@hydroplayneThat's a really good point. What else might have she been doing that she conveniently didn't mention?
@annjepsen1621 Жыл бұрын
@@rotisseriepossum I think that the only reason she let it go was because his punishment was done and had gotten his room back. She was also feeling more righteous and confident in her abuse by that point.
@ItchiRatRichi Жыл бұрын
'Don't be transactional' *makes her kids pay or do chores for their stuff back*
@ZinniaGulden Жыл бұрын
Them describing controlling behavior is the most severe case of projection I’ve ever seen
@amethystdawn9476 Жыл бұрын
Ruby just goes on and on about selfishness. All I can say is, “Project much?”
@FlinnyWinny Жыл бұрын
Not only that but also just straight up oxymorons, like not controlling your children and giving them privacy and allow them to express themselves is controlling because something something you want to like them
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
She was literally describing positive reinforcement too, one of the most basic concepts of successfully training a person or animal to do certain things. Last time I checked, Ruby didn't make her channel so people would hate her. It was so she would make money exploiting her kids, a positive thing to Ruby.
@trickortrump3292 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with a mom a lot like her and my spidey senses are going off like crazy over the pineapple story. She obsessively makes this huge deal about how the kids aren’t allowed to go into the kitchen under any circumstances while she goes to take a nap and then she’s licking the floor looking for evidence they didn’t follow her instructions? She says she told them before she went upstairs that she’d feed them as soon as she came down. Why would she need to clarify that? Had they not eaten lunch? How did she know food was going to be an issue if she laid down for an hour and that the kids needed to be reassured that food was coming? I bet those kids were hungry because maybe they were already being punished for something else and not allowed to eat. She drills into them that they’re not allowed to go in the kitchen and then goes to “take a nap”. From my own experience, I feel like she was in a mood and was setting up the kids for failure. She didn’t go take a nap. She left them alone and hungry, to break the rule so that she could come back and punish them some more. When she came back and saw they had actually obeyed her instructions, she was so fixated she resorted to licking the floor trying to find proof that they didn’t. She calls them in there and berates them until one of them finally breaks and “confesses” just to end the interrogation, bring on the punishment and get the whole thing to stop.
@zelda-fitzgerald Жыл бұрын
You're spot on. Abusive parents will justify their actions and make up reasons to abuse their children, even to the point of accusing/interrogating them over false crimes. It's a strange form of projection that's seen in a lot of notorious child abuse cases. Sylvia Likens is one of them. The worst part about it is, other children and family members are conditioned to exacerbate the abuse. They see what's happening to their sibling and don't want it to happen to them, so that sibling becomes a scapegoat within the family. It's a vicious and cruel cycle that never ends well.
@rVnsunshine Жыл бұрын
…oh. Uncomfortably realizing that my mom also set traps for me. Yay😭💀
@FIRING_BLIND Жыл бұрын
Not sure that one was a trap. Solely because of the floor locking tbh. She'd have better have been so sure that was pineapple juice, or else she's even crazier than I thought
@meghansullivan6812 Жыл бұрын
Jfc😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
You may be on to something there.
@Cheapphilosophysale Жыл бұрын
That story about the child and the journal , the fact the siblings agreed to try and steal the diary back from the parent kinda speaks a lot about how this mother is.
@pokemonfanthings4444 Жыл бұрын
I’m introverted and the idea of not having my own space (and with it the freedom to eat when I need, journal, use the internet) is seriously one of the scariest living situations I can’t imagine. Going to bed hungry and emotionally scarred on a beanbag in the middle of the house where your abusive family can enter at any moment to hurt you more…Ruby and Jodi need to lose their right to privacy and freedom
@ghostking6700 Жыл бұрын
They will... in prison 😌
@majasteinchen Жыл бұрын
For me as an extrovert it's absolutely the same! I am the one choosing what to show to the world outside and for everything else I need a save space. I also need to recharge on a regular base, could absolutely not do that with someone watching me
@relentless319 Жыл бұрын
They will if they go to prison. Hopefully that’s how this situation ends.
@ianclark2665 Жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to the 12 year old boy who was publicly humiliated by his mother in a transparent attempt to deflect blame from herself onto her son. If a 3 year old child is watching porn it's the parents fault!
@KTShea Жыл бұрын
Her 3 yro was what?!?!? Timestamp??
@Willowtree091 Жыл бұрын
In her recent court appearance she said that her youngest was watching corn at 3 and he was sexually *b*sing his siblings and other children in the community….. she’s just trying to give an excuse as to why her child was found with indicators of being tied up… and let’s say it was true? It’s learnt behaviour….
@ianclark2665 Жыл бұрын
@Lou_7625 Lou, the way those poor children have been treated is truly disgusting. I think a 10-year prison sentence seems eminently reasonable. What do you think? Is that long enough? Sadly, in Wales, our prison sentences are far shorter than in the state's.
@ianclark2665 Жыл бұрын
@KTShea Ruby Franke accused her child of watching porn at the age of 3. She goes on to further accuse him of molesting his sister and 20 or so children in the neighbourhood. I don't believe a word of it. The vile creature is either lying or blowing an isolated incident way out of proportion in an effort to make herself appear to be the 'victim' of her children's behaviour, rather than her children being the victim of her narcissistic personality disorder. As I said, if a 3 year old child is watching porn it's the parents' fault!
@ianclark2665 Жыл бұрын
@@KTShea Ruby Franke claimed that she "caught her 3 year old child watching porn." Do you believe her? Or is it an attempt at deflection?
@Geospasmic Жыл бұрын
God, even without the actual abuse, think of the nightmare of being this woman's kids. Never a moment of calm, freely given affection, acceptance, fun or relaxation. Constant rules, accusation, lecturing, double speak, criticism, intrusion. The emtional noise of living in that house must have been deafening.
@SaigesArstgo1031 Жыл бұрын
What you described IS abuse. Its emotional and psychological abuse.
@Geospasmic Жыл бұрын
@@SaigesArstgo1031 indeed, I meant the worst of it, the forced labor and injuries caused by restraints etc. even before that though there was a kid sleeping uncomfortably with no private space and others being denied food, the emotional stuff seems small compared to all that but it really is all terrible.
@whatsonhermindblog12311 ай бұрын
Agreed
@ivyrose7799 ай бұрын
@@Geospasmic Every kid is different but it’s not uncommon for the scars left from emotional abuse to remain long after trauma from physical abuse and neglect has been worked through.
@leahjones96269 ай бұрын
@@Geospasmic your entire life, even just a few years of psychological and emotional abuse has a profound and terrible effect on your psyche your spirit and EVEN your body. You behave as someone who believes you are worthless..needless..not worth it. And you are constantly fighting to keep your thoughts and spirit to endure and “do better” Your body closes down…you become apathetic- withdrawn - depressed…. It’s like a sick withering person vs a healthy vigorous confident person. It alters your entire being, relationships, and general life, success etc. It can and DOES lower your immune system.. and causes a lot of illnesses… that can become chronic. ALL THE WHILE you are confused about what is going on with yourself. It totally destroys your being. It shapes who you are. Physical abuse is equally horrible, but to the abused.. physical abuse is very clearly wrong to yourself and self evident. All other forms of abuse are so disturbing but SOOO torturous to “put your finger on” and detect. It’s like dying from poison you can’t see. And don’t know how to address or escape.
@mistameir Жыл бұрын
Something that stood out to me was how both Ruby and Jodi's facial expressions and tone of voice become super angry and hostile when they are discussing even a hypothetical situation of a child acting in "distortion"... literally the idea of a child acting out age appropriate behaviors makes them angry and I think that is incredibly telling.
@spinelessdevil Жыл бұрын
They self reported themselves
@seneca2403 Жыл бұрын
Yup! And joy when discussing punishment.
@sandydog426 Жыл бұрын
Children aren't going to understand the idea of "What mommy and daddy are doing isn't abusive, it's discipline--that's why we're allowed to do it to you but no one else!" Children are going to generalize that and believe it's totally acceptable for someone to hurt them, humiliate them in the name of "love" etc.
@Aziara86 Жыл бұрын
Whatever treatment we receive from our parents is what we think we deserve. Kind parents raise people who believe they are worthy of kindness. Abusive parents raise people who think they are unworthy to receive love.
@chelseakitkatz Жыл бұрын
And they’ve taught their kids that even the bathroom isn’t a private place for them - that, if they’ve “been bad,” adults are allowed to peep on them no matter where they are or what privacies they’re being denied in the process. Literally priming their kids for things like gr00ming and s-ual abuse.
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
Literally sets kids up to fall into cycle after cycle of abuse. People who find themselves in abusive relationships almost always have a history of abusive. Which is why they don't recognize the red flags for what they are. Abusing kids doesn't just hurt them. It absolutely sets them up to be continually hurt and abused by others
@ottiliemurrell7162 Жыл бұрын
Nah, it’s the lyrics of a song that constitute grooming and abuse /s
@TricksterModeEngaged Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Like my parents weren't physically abusive and they tried their best under their circumstances, but there was more name-calling and yelling in my house than was-I later realized-normal or healthy. The result was that I ended up understanding that if a partner hit me that that was obviously unacceptable but it honestly didn't occur to me that someone who called me stupid or yelled over things as minor as not answering a text within the hour (I had a nap after I got home from uni classes) was ALSO crossing a line into abusive behavior. That romantic relationship ended about 10 years ago, but it had lasting effects given that we were together about 5 years. My folks and I have a much better relationship as adults, but it really upset me when I realized how long I had let myself be treated badly because I thought it was just par for the course or that it would be entitled to expect better.
@lilliezimmerman1800 Жыл бұрын
Jodi: "You cant tell if a kid is going to be gay, bc no one is born gay. It's your choice to project that perspective onto them, and it's a choice they also make, but no one's inherently gay." Also Jodi: proceeds to project her take and feelings toward trans ppl., as if she could understand; "You cant say you 'feel' like you're in the wrong body. I feel things all the time, and theyre mostly reamatic and wrong!"
@literallywhy6162 Жыл бұрын
The whole thing about punishing the youngest kids by not giving them anything for Christmas is something I’ve seen mentioned a lot and I just realized an element of it that had been flying over my head. Ruby says that she told the kids that *Santa would not be visiting them* ie these are kids young and innocent enough to believe in Santa. There is *nothing* a child that age could do short of an actual crime that could make it right to be that mean to them. For a small child, watching how everyone else gets gifts and you don’t is torture. What a cruel, vile woman.
@lbh4113 Жыл бұрын
It was a way to ruin the special day for ALL of the kids. The kids receiving gifts can’t have enjoyed any moment of it, either. It was a “clever” way to destroy & control the whole family unit; to power over the entire lot, even Kevin.
@lizcollinson2692 Жыл бұрын
Also the statement that we are giving our love for Christmas ... As a punishment. Yeah yeah thier love, that's definitely a punishment.
@sourgreendolly7685 Жыл бұрын
@@lizcollinson2692Absolute Freudian slip, that one
@heidigottloeb6311 Жыл бұрын
Just wow….
@kawaiimagicalex5170 Жыл бұрын
agree she is devil self
@jessicasmith1766 Жыл бұрын
I may have yelled, “ALL WORDS ARE MADE UP!” multiple times at this video. Dear lord. The way those women change the definitions of words like “controlling” so that they can say “we’re completely against controlling parenting!” while teaching parents to control every millisecond of their child’s life!
@rebeccat9389 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was incredibly bizarre. It’s the cult leader thing. Twist words around until the only way to understand all the weird crazy rules is to just decide the only rule is the cult leader is always right.
@nerdoftheatre Жыл бұрын
"These words are bad because they're made up!" Okay, where is the world television in the bible? When did they use the words selfie? Camcorder? Jellybean? There's so many words that the probably use everyday that just came into existence within the last 30 years. Some even within the last five. The dictionary is updated because language is fluid. I can assure you, some dude wasn't forging in the forest for words like "lollipop," "microwave," and "pedicure." They exist because someone made them up. Hell, my name exists because someone decided to change a name. There's like, 20+ different ways to spell Caitlyn alone. Those names are literally made up because someone made up a new way to spell it. To quote Whose Line is it Anyway, "Everything is made up and the points don't matter."
@HosCreates Жыл бұрын
they are hypocrites !
@8114梦见 Жыл бұрын
Their language and explanations of behavior by saying everything they don’t like is “distortion” and everything they believe in is “truth” is so cult-like. It’s insane to listen to their ramblings.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Ruby is also a walking contradiction. "I don't go to the pool and dictate what people wear." *3 seconds earlier* "I don't want any of these kids listening to this song, not just mine."
@mothman8943 Жыл бұрын
them reading out the messages between their child and some girl he likes to embarrass him & laughing at him in front of the whole family AND ON CAMERA is so horrifying and heartbreaking. these poor children. this behavior is genuinely so disgusting and it makes me want to cry.
@qweertii Жыл бұрын
The way that she treats her children is genuinely disgusting to me. I'm very glad that they were taken away from her and that she's been arrested.
@nickit7655 Жыл бұрын
Even just going by her videos alone, it’s apparent that she does not like her children at all, which is baffling to me.
@DaveJohnsonSCG Жыл бұрын
@@nickit7655 I think this is a good point to bring up. So in the LDS world your outward appearance to the world is very important. Your children acting "bad" is a direct reflection of you as an LDS parent. They always try to reflect the illusion of the "perfect family". Because of this that's why a lot of abuse goes on behind closed doors not on a YT channel for the world to see. Being stuck in this LDS bubble means that if everyone does it then it's not wrong. And I seriously believe that they thought they were doing nothing wrong. They were probably raised the same way themselves it's very polarizing to the rest of the world that doesn't grow up indoctrinated like this and doesn't treat their kids this way. I want this abuse to stop, it's happened to me it's happened to my friends growing up, and it's still happening especially if you're LGBTQIA+ That's my take as an Ex-LDS or ex-mormons still living in the Utah bubble.
@Where_is_Waldo Жыл бұрын
I know there's a lot of problems faced by children taken into the custody of child protective services but no doubt they're better off.
@chatnoir9038 Жыл бұрын
@@DaveJohnsonSCGYes, it's basically a cult. I'm glad you got away from that ❤️
@lilithdvs13 Жыл бұрын
I do not see anything wrong with Ruby’s behavior and I believe her accusation that her children are monsters. I’m sure the truth will come to light and she will be vindicated. Trust me. I am a mother. I just know when a child has it coming.
@corrinnesnyder Жыл бұрын
the way the neighbor who called 911 started crying when inspecting the child for injuries just absolutely confirms to me how awful the abuse truly was. i feel so sorry for those kids and i hope they are safe from now on.
@whatsonhermindblog12311 ай бұрын
Agreed
@infiniteideassquared9102 Жыл бұрын
Jodi and Ruby's combined sense of entitlement remind me of this version of the quote the Dad says in (the 1996 version of) Matilda: "I'm smart, you're dumb. I'm big, you're little. I'm right, you're wrong-- and there's nothing you can do about it." This is how they act and think, people who act like this are so resistant to the idea that they could be wrong, or even the chance something won't go their way, that they (ironically) ignore *the truth:* that their selfish actions have hurt people that they were supposed to protect and care for, and that their consequences are well deserved and can't be dodged this time.
@linah1998 Жыл бұрын
the way Ruby always laughs when she talks about the harmful things she has done makes me sick.. she even laughs when the children are speaking out about the things that are bothering them like having no friends or the Chad bedroom situation
@Sputterbug Жыл бұрын
fr I hope I the trial gets recorded so I can watch their facial expressions
@texyp.856 Жыл бұрын
I think many people who were abused as kids can recognize that smile 😬
@benf262 Жыл бұрын
He laughs at his mild prank and she threatened more abuse and then laughs, if this was a parent of one of my students I would get fired
@annie27233 Жыл бұрын
She is so creepy. They both deserve to be jailed for a long time
@Bellasmama1987 Жыл бұрын
The child abuse charges need to be upgraded as 2 counts of attempted murder. The fact that these two babies were emaciated leads me to believe if Russell hadn't escaped she wouldn't have stopped their suffering until they were dead.
@emmasawyer3571 Жыл бұрын
My only question for Ruby is - if you hate your kids so much, why did you have 6 of them? Why did you even have 1 child? This is not how a parent shows love to their children, this is how a tyrant rules over a household
@justordinaryme3940 Жыл бұрын
That's the same question my therapist asked about my parents. When you realise you can't handle one or don't like being a parent. Why choose to have multiple?
@NeoNovastar Жыл бұрын
Well ya see, child abuse is inherently irrational.
@KireiC Жыл бұрын
My honest guess? Cultural pressure. It's seen as the thing to do, and she probably basks (or basked, past-tense) in the cultural perception of her as the good, loving mother of a brood of adorable, perfectly behaved little ones. Never mind that the kids are "behaving" because they're terrified. Or that the older kids are likely parenting the younger ones *for* Ruby. Or that she's f*c
@kgot8943 Жыл бұрын
@@KireiCI think you're at least partially right. I think she also just craves having control over others and who is easier to control than your own children? Especially since the whole world likes to say "a parent knows whats best for their child" Children are easy targets for control and abuse and of they are your own, people dont tend to step in as long as the other parent goes along with it
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
There are some people who have kids not because they love them, but BECAUSE they want to control them. Because they want a completely defenseless human being that they can do whatever they want to, who has no power or ability to fight back. There are just some sick, twisted pieces of crap out there who don't see kids as tall people, but as playthings for their sick, twisted power games. I lived it with my parents so I "get" it. And by get it, I mean I know that there are people like this, who's motives are purely malicious and cruel, who have kids just to have people to control, violate, and essentially torture. But I'll never understand that crap or how a person could possibly exist like that and treat their kids like that without feeling utterly disgusted with themselves, without behind so repulsed by their own horrific behavior that they hate themselves. I could never. Normal people could never. But normal people aren't terrible human beings
@watchdog8058 Жыл бұрын
any time my kids were misbehaving i would ask myself two questions immediately and those were “are they hungry” or “are they tired”? 9 times out of 10 it was one of those 2 things. if she is witholding food and sleep or depriving them of good sleep by taking away their beds or making them sleep on a floor somewhere she is making her own problems. also, if the kids did not run around outside with friends to get their energy out they were probably needing an outlet for that. if they are play wrestling i see that as a good thing as long as they were having fun. she seemed to just need total control of the kids. i hope these kids get a lot of therapy and are able to live the happy life they deserve. it is ironic that ruby will be in jail where she will have zero control of her life and that makes me smile an evil smile.
@proudestmonkee07 Жыл бұрын
I love that while a bunch of commentary channels are covering this, Rachel sets herself apart by really breaking down the language and harmful patterns over time. This goes so much more in depth and isn't just a repeat of what others are saying but rather takes that and adds to the conversation. It's well-researched and thought out. The video didn't feel more repetitive than needed despite being so long. Thank you for your work on this, it really was so insightful.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
I love that she went into the Conexxions stuff! I have been waiting for someone to go over this. It seems like ALL of their "teachings" were abusive.
@notabotbrittany Жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best video I’ve seen on this case. Genius!!!!
@leenbee17 Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@haanhphan9505 Жыл бұрын
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@rinadart Жыл бұрын
For the mom who removed her child’s bedroom door: the only things you are teaching your child is to be better at lying, never trust or respect you, and look for love and trust elsewhere. You’re putting your kid in immense amount of danger. They now can be easily manipulated and groomed by predators and abusers. They will look for validation outside of their home, which is supposed to be their safe place, and will become an easy target. Get family and individual therapy before you completely ruin your relationship with your child and f*ck up their life.
@rinadart Жыл бұрын
@brittneypagan5144 I am so sorry you had to go through this! No child deserves this
@emmaobrien1376 Жыл бұрын
Huh, relatable! I had a very unpredictable and vitriolic home life in my teens, and threw myself at men who could offer any kind of escape. I found myself in one abusive relationship after another, because even being drugged and physically assaulted was *less stressful* than my family home. Glad I'm finally out of that cycle of abuse.
@icravedeath.12007 ай бұрын
@@emmaobrien1376I can relate, blacked out a lot of my childhood, I'm yet to process it though, still 19 lol♥️
@icravedeath.12005 ай бұрын
@@emmaobrien1376i still need to find a way out of mine before I become into the worst version of myself. I know I'm already on that downwards spiral and I want to stop it.
@user-vs2ql5gb1b3 ай бұрын
Not quite the same, but my father and stepmother ran a very controlling household (my bio dad has untreated NPD). They made my older brother and I share a small room despite living in a large house and had a rule that we could never close our door. I guess it was good to technically have a door for purposes of changing etc but during the day you could never escape. They also lived in the suburbs, the type where it’s all houses and sidewalks, several miles down a highway away from actual civilization. They asked for our phone passwords too and shamed me whenever I called my mother, and especially shamed me if I ever went on a walk alone to get some space. I still have issues with feeling “trapped” and humiliated 8 years after going no contact because of the trauma this situation did to me. I even have issues with telling white lies automatically when my brain doesn’t want to invite more questions or interrogation, which sucks because I don’t want to be a liar! I feel so horrible for the children in these stories, because everything they experienced is WORLDS worse and more intense than what I experienced, I cannot imagine how traumatized this situation made them. These women are evil!
@kotatochip4151 Жыл бұрын
So much appreciation for the care, dedication, and sensitivity Rachel puts into this content
@whatsonhermindblog12311 ай бұрын
Agreed Rachel ❤❤
@Mamaroo92 Жыл бұрын
As a daughter whose mother was very similar to Ruby (minus the duct tape only, tbh), it hurts so much to watch what happened here. I think I was in denial that my mom really was abusive, but watching Ruby say the things she did, when I’ve heard my own mom say nearly identical things - it was like a lightbulb went off that what I experienced REALLY WAS ABUSE. 😓
@jaelyn1630 Жыл бұрын
praying for you healing, well being and beautiful peaceful and loving future!
@fluffmcpuffles2686 Жыл бұрын
seriously.. watching this sucks bc i see parallels to how my parents treated me. especially with the “you don’t GET privacy as a child” and “IM the mom so I get to decide everything and do whatever i want” she definitely wasn’t on rubys level of abusive, but it just sucks and none of the “parenting” i was subjected to did not prepare me to be an adult. i pretty much had to learn everything on my own with no help from them. they just thought i was lazy and would never amount to anything so they gave up when i was around 17
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
It is what actual gaslighting is. The victim is told they deserve the abuse and are told they are actually the abuser in the situation. Imagine telling your own child who you hold almost 100% of the power over that they are the abuser. It's sick and disturbing.
@honestlynotarobot2285 Жыл бұрын
I am also hearing very similiar language and behaviour from my own parent (they showed strong indications of possible undiagnosed narcisstic personality disorder) before I estranged myself and went to long term therapy. All control is always brought to people like Ruby, whether by actions towards those vulnerable (picking the child's clothing, sleep in bathroom) or to gain sympathy/attention from peers (the song lyrics, licking the floor) and is not often done in true compassion for others. At the end of her lyrics rant she even admitted if wasn't the lyrics, it was that she herself could not choose the song or her child's choice of music... hence the homeschooling. Spot on observation Rachel, I agree. Vast majority of people don't lick the floor because it's not logical and it's a mundane, private matter - for someone online with an audience, it is rationalised to gain more attention/content despite still being an irrational act to act on! I wish you and all other people reading who have lived under this form of emotional/verbal or physical abuse all of the healing you all deserve. I hope you all get to be the person you want to be, not what you were dictated to be out of their fear. A child is not born automatically evil/sinful and a parent is not automatically infallible/Godly. It took me a long time to realise this myself. (Also big thanks for Rachel being so kind to give warnings and explain how andwhy the logic is not ok as well as what the long term consequences are to survivors/families. Very appreciated!)
@mildredchester Жыл бұрын
I hope you can get help, you deserved so much better.
@adamlee4218 Жыл бұрын
Commenter: My 3 year old said she was thirsty so I got her a glass of water is that ok? These guys: Absolutely NOT! She is MANIPULATING you by GASLIGHTING you into thinking you OWE her YOUR resources. As a child, she has NO RIGHT to the water which is YOURS. This is being controlling. An appropriate punishment for such an offense would be to not let her have any water for a day so she gets the VISCERAL EXPERIENCE of understanding your kindness of allowing her to have that water.
@cremebrulee4759 Жыл бұрын
That's so sick. Water is essential to life, to a healthy body. For a parent to view that as manipulative is beyond twisted. The water doesn't "belong" to the child? WTF?!
@MRSFeeX Жыл бұрын
Well, they did pay for water, ans those gas lightning, very bad, in so many ways.
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 Жыл бұрын
Wait did that really happen?
@MRSFeeX Жыл бұрын
@@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 Well..The boy was dehydrated..
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 Жыл бұрын
@@MRSFeeX I totally believe this is something they would do/say. I just didn’t know if this particular comment was hyperbole.
@everrgreen122 Жыл бұрын
30:00 Okay, my heart would BREAK if my son, or any child for that matter, would tell me he has no friends with that much sadness in his voice. Ruby however seemed to see it as some juicy content for their horrible vlogs?! My god, the amount of therapy these kids are going to need. And now she’s trying to save HER ass by accusing this boy of sa. A tactic that she learned from creepy Jodi, who also did this to clients who dared to not commit to her reign of terror. I hope they both never get out of prison and if they do, I hope they’ll both be ancient by then and have no kid willing to take care of their old asses.
@peripateticAvian Жыл бұрын
3:10:57 My mom (who has apologized sincerely since) had this mentality of "my roof, my rules" to the extent that she told me that my room and my clothes and my everything belonged to her, not me. And because of that, I moved out at 18 and got my own space and she couldn't fathom why until this year.
@peripateticAvian Жыл бұрын
I sacrificed comfort, assurance of A roof over my head and good food everyday because I felt so unsafe and so robbed of identity and personal space.
@jenniferbeltran603 Жыл бұрын
@peripateticAvian I had the same thing. I got kicked out over a lie my mom made up, but I have my own space now and only say what I feel like telling them now and will NEVER go back
@SugaMot Жыл бұрын
obsessed with the fact that jodi didn't know that all caps was universally understood to mean that someone is yelling. It's not even a new concept, it literally started before the internet in the 80s
@HosCreates Жыл бұрын
Writing all caps has been part of internet writing for 2 decades and in have been in books .they are in a la la land !
@Sina-aka-potatosupreme Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It took me a week to get through it all, but it felt cathartic to see that abuse is not the victims fault. I deal with my own trauma and there is always the thought that "I caused how I was treated". After another hurtful comment by a family member last week I needed the assurance of a video like this. My whole heart goes out to the children who suffered so much and I hope that they will get through this one day. It will be a long and painful way till they even start to heal, but I hope they find out about all the support and love that they get on the internet. Maybe one day when they are older they can understand that nobody except for these terrible people thought it was the right thing to do. I hope that parents who sought out help from them get looked at closely by law enforcement. It is not only these two, it was a community who had no problem with adapting these wild theories. Maybe the children can leave their past behind one day in the future. The 8 passengers' children (I don't want to use the name of the mother. She lost the privilege to a name.) and all the children who may experienced trauma because their parents followed the teachings. Thank you again for making this video. It isn't only informing about the terrible things that happens, but I am sure it also helps others than me to heal a little bit more. Your love and compassion has a bigger impact than you may know.
@BohemianScandalous Жыл бұрын
I think the reason it seems like Ruby escalated with the two youngest children is probably because of the eldest kids moving out and going to school and no longer updating their social medias. She must have felt a loss of control so she became more and more extreme with the younger ones so they would not “stray” I.e resist her control, and unlike the older children who she could no longer legally exert her control over, those poor babies couldn’t fight back. The boy was so brave managing to escape and find help, who could know the fear of being caught he must have felt.
@Julie-ik9cr Жыл бұрын
I never watched Ruby's 8Passengers channel, so I can't verify the accuracy of this, but people on their snark subreddit have also said that Ruby said she wanted to stop after four kids, but she had the last two because Kevin wanted more kids. If that's true, it's possible that she's always resented her two youngest kids since they've been born. So, that's another possible explanation for why she escalated the abuse so intensely with them.
@lilbread1717 Жыл бұрын
The youngest daughter also is neurodivergent (adhd) and Ruby doesn't believe in it 🙄 Which is probably why she is being punished so much, because her mother wants to "fix" her
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
That poor boy must have been utterly terrified. I hope one day, when he grows up and finally heals from so the wounds she inflicted, that he realizes how brave he was, and that he's proud of himself for fighting back despite those hellish circumstances
@beanybabyrabie Жыл бұрын
This is super insightful and probably exactly what occurred….
@saosina Жыл бұрын
I don't want to speculate too much, because I obviously don't know anything about the specifics of the situation, but for me the revelation of the extent of the abuse these kids have suffered, and specifically the limitation on freedom, immediately recast the 8 Passengers story about Chad being forced to sleep in the bathroom. It makes me question whether "I told him we were going to Disneyland" was legitimately a prank, or the best excuse a frightened teenager could come up with for why he and his brother were outside with a packed bag in the middle of the night, in a household where their movements and actions are tightly surveilled and controlled. Like it's hard to not question that under the circumstances.
@gaywaterfrog Жыл бұрын
Okay, my mouth just fell open. I literally have chills. I had never even CONSIDERED that other than thinking “It seems strange that he would risk one of his mom’s insane punishments over something so stupid, especially being an older one and presumably having a long history with Ruby’s tortures, but I guess kids will be kids?” Good God almighty. I don’t want you to be right but I actually think this makes perfect sense.
@dontpanic6349 Жыл бұрын
omg what an interesting thought - i genuinely didnt think of that
@roastingghosts1302 Жыл бұрын
I think that also explains the wilderness survival camp on top of the punishment of sleeping in the bathroom. The camp isolated him from his siblings and gave him pretty much no way to contact them which definitely feels like a twisted punishment, almost like she’s saying “if you leave you’ll just be isolated like this”
@meghansullivan6812 Жыл бұрын
It’s just so fkn upsetting and crazy how flagrant the abuse was but since it WAS so open it was like …. how bad could it really be if she’s sharing it like so???!! But she’s just a narcissistic psycho! And meanwhile even those who DID strongly suspect abuse all along could do nothing!!!!!!
@HosCreates Жыл бұрын
the only thought I could think of -having been abused is maybe he wanted to be out of the house outside of his moms control ...🤔. when I got a dog at 14 I used to walk for hours under guise of the dog needed exercise as a high energy dog . @@gaywaterfrog
@liallialcroc Жыл бұрын
i grew up a fundamentalist baptist christian and the way religion HATES anything that gives you joy other than god, that makes possessions '"worthless". my parents treated mine and my siblings objects this way as well when we were in the church. id leave home to go to my grandmothers and come back to a bunch of my belongings trashed or "put away" but not where id like it (im autistic so this was very hard for me)
@catherinecoen4349 Жыл бұрын
I know this is off topic, but I absolutely sobbed when Rachel said that you can’t put yourself in the position to be raped; that it is always the rapists fault. There is so much grace I have never given myself.
@lsmmoore1 Жыл бұрын
Especially since the loudest voices in favor of blaming girls are also the ones who teach girls to "keep sweet" meaning never act anything other than smiley and submissive, aka literally teaching them to be the perfect victim and blaming for it, and heaping vitriol on any gals who DO talk about fighting back, let alone actually doing it (and doing everything they can to destroy the self-image of those girls who are naturally inclined towards fighting). It's literally putting their girls into a no-win situation. Do everything they tell you, you lose, fight back, especially with any fury at all (those who are naturally inclined towards any sort of fighting are going to show some fury) even if you win, they sour your victory by treating you like you're a spoiled brat (and to anyone not familiar with authoritarian doublespeak, "brats" are synonymous with both the likes of Veruca Salt and the idea of the disgusting and lowly being who "deserves" to be on the lower rungs of society if not gotten rid of altogether).
@irishalchemy Жыл бұрын
It was never your fault. You are strong, and brave, and a survivor. I hope you are healing and happy!
@cfoster6804 Жыл бұрын
❤
@eszterdoraszabo4453 Жыл бұрын
sending you lots of love!!
@8114梦见 Жыл бұрын
You deserve that grace. Why should we be blamed for not “protecting ourselves” enough from aggressors and abusers? It’s not our fault that we *have* to take so many precautions just to avoid being attacked. Stay strong
@aneurysm2908 Жыл бұрын
This mentality that "you're kid is always guilty of something and on their path to sin and a horrible life" is SO dangerous.
@simplyharkonnen Жыл бұрын
That’s the mindset of ✝️🪳 for you.
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
She thinks kids are constantly up to some kind of malice
@simplyharkonnen Жыл бұрын
@@larissabrglum3856 Xtian theology/philosophy presumes inherent evil in all human beings.
@AngbangCorp Жыл бұрын
Another thing that's been really freaking me out while watching the clips of Ruby and Jodi talking about whichever children and issues they're currently discussing is that they use such strong, negative words. They talk about the child manipulating, being entitled, being selfish, being destructive... just the amount of sheer malice that they ascribe to these children is baffling, as if they're some evil mastermind intentionally hurting their parents. And it's for so many minor issues too. I have no experience with raising children or anything, but I'm pretty sure that most children, including teenagers, aren't this devious or malicious. It makes me feel like they're projecting this image of some kind of evil, adult person onto these children and it's so wrong
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
The way they talk about children reminds me of Miss Trunchbull from Matilda
@LexxLifts Жыл бұрын
as a lesbian, Jodi thinking cisgender means heterosexual is unintentionally hilarious
@cfoster6804 Жыл бұрын
Heck, I don't even know what it means. We get a new term we're supposed to use every month.😵💫
@aeh4411 Жыл бұрын
@@cfoster6804The term “cisgender” is practically as old as the Latin language, because that’s what it’s derived from. It’s been used in mainstream media for a long while now. Cisgender means that you align solely with your assigned gender at birth. Hope that helps!
@kiryn5977 Жыл бұрын
@@cfoster6804 To put it very simply, "cisgender" is the opposite of "transgender". You identify w/ the gender you were assigned at birth; a person who is transgender doesn't. It's really not that hard to understand, and I will never get why some ppl throw such hissy fits about the mere fact that the word exists.
@HosCreates Жыл бұрын
That's why I use urban dictionary @@cfoster6804
@kstrofii Жыл бұрын
@ville__VILLE IS UNCOOL AND NEEDS TO FIND A JOB
@izziet6213 Жыл бұрын
Interesting how they scold a parent for confiscating a laptop after the child gets drunk. Ruby says “the laptop isn’t the problem”. Then why did ruby take her child’s room away after he pranked his brother? The room wasn’t the problem??
@Sarah-re7cg Жыл бұрын
That prank was funny af, I’m shocked the kids have any sense of humor or fun left in them. I’m sure Ruby tried to terrorize any remaining bits of humanity out of them 😢
@platedlizard Жыл бұрын
There’s no polite way to put it but speculation is that Chad was “exploring his body” which is a totally normal and healthy behavior but which is also heavily condemned by the Mormon Church.
@chilltheheckoutwithava1454 Жыл бұрын
Because she has to be a contrarian because everyone else must be wrong.
@runa_7022 Жыл бұрын
i think its telling that she confidently said that her kids were numb to the punishments. she has basically admitted that her punishments DONT work, but she proudly decides to instead make the punishments even more "visceral", a word she literally said verbatim. its the fact that she can actively see her punishments DONT work that make it obvious shes not doing this to "teach" her kids, shes doing this because she likes to see her kids in pain and she likes to see them suffer. if she refused to admit her punishments didnt work, i mightve been on the fence with how she really feels, but seeing her verbally admit that her kids are numb to the punishments solidified it for me. she is doing this SPECIFICALLY to torture the kids
@VultureSkins Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe she said her and her husband’s gift to their children was “their love.” Implying that their love for their children is not only conditional, but that prior to the “gift” they were not loving their children. How abhorrent, to punish your children for your own faults as a parent, and to withhold love and understanding and _safety_ I don’t expect parents to be flawless- parenting is really, really hard sometimes, and it’s constant- but I think the bare minimum is acting in such a way that they feel they can talk to you comfortably. Even if they perhaps can’t provide a physically safe environment, or can’t always get good food on the table, a parent should not be an enemy to their own child.
@lilithdvs13 Жыл бұрын
Of course parents’ love is conditional what are you on about? How am I supposed to know whether or not my child will be worthy of love when I give birth?
@HakaYonder Жыл бұрын
@@lilithdvs13 When your child is born, it can only cry, wiggle around a bit, dirty their pampers, and that's pretty much it. What exactly is in here that would make you so hateful towards it that you can't even imagine loving it? To think that it's not worth of your love? It takes children many months until they can speak their first words, is it when they're worthy enough? When they say your full legal name with correct dialect and always preface it with "your majesty" and end all sentences with some pleasantries? On a very technical level, depending on what definitions you use, every feeling we feel is in some way conditional. But that is not what people mean when they refer to parent-child love. When you get a child, you're not supposed to think of them as extension of yourself or someone who's there to listen to all your commands or else they're just a leech. You brought them into this world AND decided to keep them around, it's your legal responsibility to provide for it the best you can. This isn't a transaction, the child didn't sign a contract saying they want to be born to you, so they have no obligation whatsoever to provide you with "worth" that's defined by you. You just don't get that. Not all parents love their children and sometimes it's totally understandable, every murderer was once someone's child etc. But most people don't grow up to do horrible things that'd make even their parents sick of them. If you're paranoid that your child will almost certainly grow up to be a mafia member, then perhaps it's time to reconsider your position in the world you're living in and whether or not it's a safe place for a kid to grow up and what are your options to change it or move out. Even if your kid grows up to be a person that doesn't really share any hobbies with you or has different political views etc, there's still a ton you can love them for, because people are complex and have more than one or two personality traits and the time you spent with them as they were growing up is super valuable.
@katiez688 Жыл бұрын
Its ironic how these 2 ladies actually embody a lot of the behaviors they say are bad. I feel so bad for the son she is trying to “blame” this all on. That is the ultimate abuse… even after he has been removed from her custody she is still finding a way to hurt and abuse him.
@lindseystein9676 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I definitely noticed that irony. They take actual psych terms, like the various cognitive distortions, but then they change it to apply to their bizarro beliefs. The most ironic was their video on Black & White Thinking. They went in and on about how it’s “a distortion. That keeps you from living in truth blah blah,” but their core belief that “there’s either truth or distortion” is Black & White Thinking in itself.
@someonerandom256 Жыл бұрын
"Wrong for thee, but not for me." 🙄
@8114梦见 Жыл бұрын
@@imsotired9555The projection from these two women is insane. And the fact they also demonize projection is just the cherry on top.
@samwindmill8264 Жыл бұрын
From everything I've read about Jodi Hildebrandt, it would appear that these "allegations" stem almost entirely from ideas that Jodi has planted in Ruby's head. Jodi seems to accuse everyone she comes into contact with of having a porn or sex addiction, including her own niece by said niece's own words. This is not to excuse Ruby's behavior in any way, but Jodi absolutely influenced A LOT of this extreme stuff.
@lindsaythemorallygay4586 Жыл бұрын
What's used to infuriate me the most (there is worse now) is how she kept filming while her kids are telling her that they can't maintain friendships because of the channel and she thanks them for being vulnerable because she is so consumed by her own “PATTERNS OF SELFISHNESS” that she doesn't get that they're telling the camera she’s the problem
@laurelinvanyar Жыл бұрын
These examples of "controlling" behavior give me serious narcissist vibes. My own mother once told me she thought I was being "controlling" and "manipulative" when I "disobeyed" her by being physically too ill to do what she wanted. She said it in family therapy, and the therapist let it slide (Don't go to therapy with your abusers, kids. It just teaches them your weak points to hammer in private.)
@rowanquynn9964 Жыл бұрын
My mom used to host a Bible study in our home. It stressed me out, I hated it, and I was forced to attend because she was doing it partly to find a husband for me. One night I was really sick and couldn't attend. I was laying in bed and she burst into my room, forced me out of bed and told me to go take some cold medicine and put some make up on because there was an eligible young man in attendance that night. I started crying and said I didn't feel well enough and she told me I "didn't get a say, I was going whether I liked it or not" and told me to be downstairs in 10 minutes or else. It's extremely violating, and narcissists really do a unique kind of damage when they're abusive
@bottomofastairwell Жыл бұрын
Ain't that the truth. There you are, trying to do real work and actually come to an understanding, and all they're trying to do is find better ways to control and manipulate you, learn more of your insecurities, and find better ways to tear you down.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Sorry you dealt with that, and same! To my mother I was evil, cold, and "just like my father". She couldn't turn my dad into a doormat which made her super angry so I am actually pretty entertained by the accuracy of her comparing me to him constantly. She would systematically try to make me untrusting of everyone and hate my father. I am in the process of going no contact and it has only changed my life for the better.
@TheDesudesudesudesu Жыл бұрын
My mom was kinda similar, I burst into tears easily and she would say I’m manipulating her. In reality it was undiagnosed ADHD and poor emotional regulation, I would break down very easily when she snapped at me. But to her I was either manipulating her or cold and heartless when I just disconnected to get through the talk. I’m still dealing with that
@maryfrancess93 Жыл бұрын
My mother first severely tried to stop me from going to therapy. She said my mental illness was my own fault. She said I was too weak. When I finally got to go to therapy she bullied her way into the session and I wasn't allowed to speak. She then made me sit in the car afterwards and made me play therapist for her for quite a while. She then decided that again I was fine. And I didn't need help and neither did she.
@haileymarie6430 Жыл бұрын
the part of privacy really hit home for me. i was never permitted privacy as a child or teenager. no secrets. no diaries. no hiding anything. i was allowed nothing. that led me, at 19, to marry the first man who gave me the time of day in an attempt to get out and gain the independence and privacy i was never allowed to have. . im a lesbian. its 6 years later. im going throguh a divorce and starting from scratch. i hurt my own life. i hurt his life. because i was so hurt by my lack of freedom and privacy. privacy is very very important to kids.
@virtualgambit577 Жыл бұрын
2:50:12 this whole segment is such good advice to any parent. When I was growing up, I knew a lot of sheltered kids. Since they never got exposed to anything (sex ed, anything their parents deemed “immoral” and inappropriate, etc.), they went completely wild the moment they got thrown into the adult world. One was a close friend of mine when we were toddlers, now she’s catching STDs and partying daily through college and her mom is none the wiser due to the distance and amount of lying her daughter does. All this sheltered parenting does is teach your kids not to trust you and how to lie to you, and it leaves them completely overwhelmed when they become adults and get exposed to a whole lot of things at once. It seems pretty reasonable that someone that’s freshly an adult having never experienced/witnessed the real, not sanitized, world before would freak out. No one has ever gradually introduced them to things and explained them, so they’re left with very little to go on.
@Kanye_Asada Жыл бұрын
As a Mexican it absolutely makes my skin crawl when any racist piece of crap says illegal aliens. It’s so dehumanizing and disgusting. We have Italian immigrant neighbors who literally told my dad(who was born in the u.s) to go back to his country. It’s so disheartening how these supposedly godly people can be so evil and hateful.
@Link-dx1lx Жыл бұрын
Yeah also so many white USAmericans love talking about how they're Italian/Irish/Whatever bc their great great grandma came from Europe and that's quirky and cute but when you're a POC you need to go "back to your country". I only have an outside perspective on that but it's truly bizarre to me.
@Tareltonlives Жыл бұрын
I read a good summation of the politics in a meme: Liberals go through trauma and go "no one should have to go through that" Conservatives go through trauma and go "everyone else should have to go through that"
@poutinedream5066 Жыл бұрын
Italians are godly 😂? Who told you that lie?
@Kanye_Asada Жыл бұрын
@@poutinedream5066 no they’re not godly they are just Catholic like me and family
@lifeofatruckerswife Жыл бұрын
I hate that!!! Bigoted w.a.s.p folks love to use the...go back to your own country b.s...in all reality...this country isn't ours (white folks) either...we all have come from immigrants.. native Americans are the rightful owners of this country. But the bigots don't want to hear that..
@l3m0nfl00rwax Жыл бұрын
Jodi talking about what "Controlling Behavior" is is the definition of irony. Kids who people please are often used to abusive relationships. It's part of fight, flight, freeze, fawn. They do their best to sooth away the abuser's anger or stop it before it starts be bending over backwards. It's not to "control" their parents. It's survival. These women are rotten.
@Caelinus Жыл бұрын
That whole section was truly psychotic. They literally are acting like any respect for your children is somehow "controlling" behavior, all the while saying actual controlling behavior is good. They essentially think of their children as assets, not people. Their kids are not people to them, they are property.
@queenmotherhane4374 Жыл бұрын
The more I hear them using these vague blanket terms “truth” and “distortion,” the more I’m reminded of Newspeak from 1984: meaningless words pressed into wide use to replace ones that have actual and specific meanings.
@hollybrenna7898 Жыл бұрын
The privacy stuff is especially baffling to me. I was the type of kid who hid my journals from my mom out of fear of her reaction. Or, even worse, I’d make decoy journals in hopes she would read fake stuff kissing up to her and not snoop further. Now that I have kids, I’ve always highly prioritized their privacy and autonomy, and the fact that their possessions are theirs to decide what to do with, not mine in any way. Just before summer ended for school my daughter asked me to hold onto her journal for her to make sure her brother didn’t read it, I was quick to thank her for trusting me and promised I wouldn’t look at a single page, and I felt so happy and proud when she said back like “you don’t have to say that mom, I know you would never look at my journal, that’s why I trust you with it.” 🥺❤️
@majasteinchen Жыл бұрын
You are such a wholesome mom! This makes me tear up a little bit. It's just awesome how much respect you have for one another. Please keep that up. (I've also had a lot of issues with my family reading my private stuff/letters and stealing my belongings. Privacy is so important!)
@maggiewinnike7309 Жыл бұрын
Ruby was horrible to begin with. She seemed to actively hate her children and strove to cause them pain. She also expected them to have better emotional control and maturity than she herself is capable of as an adult. Once she started working with Jodi, who encouraged the worst of Ruby's abusive and controlling behavior, they seemed to feed off each other and become even worse together. I cannot think of a better place for both of them than being in prison where I know the fact that they'll have zero control over anything that happens to them will absolutely infuriate them.
@AnnaVictrix Жыл бұрын
That’s my biggest red flag for abuse: when the parent expects behavior or maturity from the kid that’s above their age group. They set you up to fail so they can justify the abuse and control.
@lilithdvs13 Жыл бұрын
As a mother I think Ruby’s a good mother and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hating your kids. We all have a responsibility to become mothers. But not all of us want to have or even like children. I am the same way. So I always tell my children “as your mother I don’t want or love you. Do not expect love or affection from me. But I will keep you fed and make sure you succeed by pushing you past your academic limits and I expect you to be thankful.” I am obviously going above and beyond for my children but it doesn’t matter whether we love our children or not. Giving birth was the hardest part of being a mother and our children owe their lives to us regardless.
@strawberriefire Жыл бұрын
@@lilithdvs13 your kids are gonna leave you in the retirement home to die alone 😆
@purplelily7764 Жыл бұрын
@@lilithdvs13this is a joke right? You aren’t telling the truth? Genuinely can’t tell.
@Mountainhaze9090 Жыл бұрын
@@purplelily7764me either. I’d love to assume she’s joking, but the sad reality is many narcissists truly believe their children owe them for their existence. Some people should not be allowed to reproduce.
@lilhedgehog8576 Жыл бұрын
If a child lies to you, it could be because they don’t feel safe to tell you the truth they don’t trust you enough. t That kid was obviously scared of what would happen if his mom found out that he spilled some juice and honestly he’s super responsible for cleaning it up at the age of three most three year old will just be like “mom I spilled some juice” and then leave and have you clean it. Which is fine because they’re like three but it’s still good to learn responsibility at a young age.
@marshall2137 Жыл бұрын
it’s so disgusting how this ideology she holds places her, the parent, as victim in any and every interaction with her child. It’s like she’s subconsciously searching for reasons to demean and violate them
@lucylulusuperguru3487 Жыл бұрын
You mimic & model your roles after what you've grown up seeing...nobody can convince me the remainder of her white-washed "wholesome" family is any better.
@UranusKiller Жыл бұрын
It's amazing watching narcissistic brains function, isn't it? Gaslighting, victim blaming, and projection are near constant.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
I LOVED how Ruby and Jodi were talking about society creating perpetual victims. The amount of delusion in those too is almost surreal. I'm actually surprised they think they are still on this planet and not is some sort of hellscape that is just their "trial". I predict those are the next statements they will be making from the prison which is accurately named Purgatory.
@PhantomApprentice Жыл бұрын
My husband was an elementary school teacher in Utah. He used the same "numb" descriptor with some kids that he worked with, that were some of the worst-behaved--and he could tell that they were used to being screamed at, beaten, and getting tied up. We both grew up Mormon and saw the "honor your mother and father" commandment used to an extreme.
@bookNerd151 Жыл бұрын
I was curious if the 'Principles' Jodi and Ruby explain are rooted in the LDS worldview (though they claim they aren't)
@PhantomApprentice Жыл бұрын
@@bookNerd151 To me, at least, they are almost identical.
@leilanicorbelle Жыл бұрын
As a recent MA English grad/current English & composition professor I absolutely LOVE that you referenced Stuart Hall and Kimberlé Crenshaw. I’ve watched a lot of these 8 Passengers/Connexions breakdown videos but yours is one of the first I’ve seen that goes beyond showing the same five or so viral clips and instead actually analyzes what these crazies are saying and why it is so harmful to perpetuate. Absolutely subscribing ☺️
@freneticzoetic Жыл бұрын
The fact that Ruby ‘stalled’ before taking her child to the hospital really did not sit well with me. It seems small compared to some of the other abuse they inflicted but I think it belies a serious lack of judgement and care for their children. I’m chronically ill and have been in situations where rapid access to health services was very important, and I can tell you it’s terrifying. A parent who acts like a very concerning symptom (acute blurred vision can be a symptom of some medical conditions which require immediate treatment) is just an inconvenience and who wants to ‘stall’ before accessing care is not doing an adequate job to keep the child safe. And the fact that they put the opportunity to make a vlog before their responsibility to get the child help as well as DISCLOSING THEIR CHILD’S PRIVATE MEDICAL INFORMATION (symptoms) … what a despicable way to make money off you’re own child’s suffering. Also, the hedgehog pattern on Rachel's dress is so cute and it brought me joy. When hearing of such repulsive and scary events and having important discusions about how they can be prevented in future, remember to take a breath to focus on something small and positive so as not to become too overwhelmed!
@SquisheeDog Жыл бұрын
That disturbed and scared me so much, that she was stalling taking her child to get help. Something is seriously wrong with her in many ways. Its one thing to freeze in an emergency
@Maedaisy8 Жыл бұрын
That part was so upsetting. My daughter fell off a bench and was bleeding, I won’t say where, we were in the car on the way to the er within 3 minutes of it happening. She was completely fine thankfully ❤ couldn’t imagine waiting around fucking around in the shower before taking my daughter for help.
@leadingstrangeness Жыл бұрын
Let's also acknowledge the concerning line 'my vision is blurrier than usual'. I know that the faces are being blocked for good reason, but why don't i think any of those kids wore glasses?
@sydliminal Жыл бұрын
when I heard that she was stalling taking her child to the doctor for changes in vision, especially what seems like a _sudden_ change in vision, I was horrified. it can be a symptom of _numerous_ very serious things, including brain damage. scary to think that if it were more serious, that hour could make a _huge_ difference - maybe even between life and death.
@Nicholasmcmath-cr1xl Жыл бұрын
Same it don’t sit well with me either
@bheatz22 Жыл бұрын
The cognitive dissonance between listening to her judge other parents while she was actively abusing her child is mind boggling
@dahliacheung6020 Жыл бұрын
Seriously. Jody saying out of nowhere that she'd have no problem with someone coming to her house and looking around/going wherever they want to because she has nothing to hide- that was disturbing. It really struck me as such an odd thing to say, especially now as we know exactly what or _who_ she had hidden locked up in that massive house she lived in.
@mauragaffney9333 Жыл бұрын
As a mother I have found the most judgemental mothers are actually the worst parents. Like not bathing their kid or getting them professional help for serious emotional issues. From a distance they look good, but upon close inspection they’re neglectful.
@choops9469 Жыл бұрын
My mom used to be psycho controlling like Ruby but all it took was for me to snap one day and yell back at her spilling the beans of how suicidal she was making me and how much I hated everything. Then she changed to be wayyyy more calm after, still having her moments but not like before.
@graysonrogers-barnes6302 Жыл бұрын
You are so incredibly lucky she took that to heart. That is wonderful.
@stormthrush379 ай бұрын
I'm glad you got lucky, my sharing things only made the abuse worse.
@denisemaddox5031 Жыл бұрын
One of our sons bought and took some pills and ended up in the hospital. In that case, we did go in and take apart his room to see if there were more pills. That was to keep him safe. We didn't take his door, or make him sleep in the living room. We did find a few more pills, and I'm glad we found them and got rid of them. There are extreme cases where you might need to "invade" their privacy, but they are extreme.
@sashakononova8968 Жыл бұрын
I hope he's doing okay ❤
@chiarabernardi2705 Жыл бұрын
As you said you did this for his safety. I am also sure you weren't happy about having to do this. I hope your son's doing well
@denisemaddox5031 Жыл бұрын
Thank you both. He's doing great now!
@taylorkat8614 Жыл бұрын
First I'd like to say, I'm so glad that your son is doing okay now! I was that teen before. How you reacted, totally normal and I'm so glad you care for the safety of your son but some parents definitely take the violating privacy aspect too far. I used to SH as a teen. I was maybe 14 when my parents found out. He pinned me down and took photos of me in my underwear, to "get evidence" of the SH to show the doctor. I wasn't allowed to have my phone, laptop or any Internet access unsupervised. I was cut off from all my friends because I "couldn't be trusted" and I felt like I was being punished for being mentally ill, more so than they actually cared for me. I'm 20 now, living alone with my fiance only about half an hour away from me and checking in on my every day. My relationship with my parents is so much better now that I have my own space and am away from them.
@mauragaffney9333 Жыл бұрын
Yes I get that, I have a 9 y/o son and dread things having to be afraid of like that one day. Especially today, when many “pills” people get on the street have fentanyl in them. One pill could be the difference between life and death- it’s scary! I hope your son is doing better! ❤
@UnderExposedKate Жыл бұрын
What’s scary is that there are thousands of moms (parents) who actually believed in these teachings and inflicted this psychological abuse onto their children. Let alone what Jodi was doing to LDS marriages. God help those families.
@spinelessdevil Жыл бұрын
all that overtly obsession and no privacy shi and for wut? What is it all about in the end? If anything it just gives off pedophilic incest/sexual perversion towards offsprings to the point where taking their privacy away and having to know everything about them in disguise of I'm yo parent bla bla bla. Bs is wut is that is. Periotttt It's all borderline creepy
@UnderExposedKate Жыл бұрын
@@spinelessdevil I think Jodi is sick. She likely has issues with her own sexuality and seems to have an overactive obsession with sex. Instead of seeing a therapist for her own issues she inflicted her issues onto innocent LDS marriages and families. So many people in the church overly sexualize the smallest of things. I’ve seen 100% innocent behaviors be made into something sexually inappropriate by people, even my own relatives in the church so this woman doesn’t surprise me at all. The child abuse on the other hand, does. How Ruby fell for these so called child rearing teachings doesn’t shock me in the least. It’s obvious she had her own had predilections towards this type of behavior before she even met Jodi. It was as if she would get even with her children when they upset her or made mistakes instead of parenting them. I can’t stand to even watch them trying to teach other parents.
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
I thought I'd seen it all, but then we hit about the 30 minute mark when they *read their child's texts out loud on camera* and *openly mock* him for innocently flirting with a peer, and *then* proceed to interrogate him like he's in Big Trouble. That would be monstrous even *if* cameras weren't rolling! In my opinion, family vlogging incentivizes the worst tendencies in the families who partake in it, and a particular sort of controlling, selfish, narcissistic parent will be inherently drawn to it like a moth to a flame. In the end, it's the kids who suffer. Also: I dunno, but I don't think gifting her chronically-abused children with an assortment of knives is the cute little flex she thinks it is. I won't purport to be a body language specialist or a pro people-reader, but Ruby Franke makes my amygdala scream. She radiates this tense, seethingly-angry energy, like she's always one forgotten Splenda packet away from just going at the waitress like a rabid spider monkey. Even when she's smiling or laughing, her eyes are still piercing, cold, and angry, and her favorite emotion seems to be triumphant smugness. The closest she ever comes to looking even remotely happy and content is when she's visibly crushing on Jodi Hildebrandt. Re: 2:30:11, how these women twist developmental psych knowledge to justify abusing and manipulating children in even more precisely-targeted ways is absolutely grotesque. With all their big talk about responsibility, consequences, and making the right choices, I hope they're fully enjoying the current consequences of their choices!
@beththegreen Жыл бұрын
thats deffo fucked, but duct taping your child up and not feeding them is MAYYYBE a little worse
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
@@beththegreen , oh, that's definitely more fucked, but I've sadly heard stuff like that before, so it didn't *shock* me the same way, even though it's still mortifying.
@zelda-fitzgerald Жыл бұрын
Just hearing that she kept her kids home from school and also withheld food as some sort of punishment are both HUGE red flags. Abused children are frequently absent from school; it's also not unusual for parents who are abusive to withhold food, beds, or privacy.
@zelda-fitzgerald Жыл бұрын
It's also extra disturbing to me that Jodi is using REAL principles in psychology for her creepy cult. Her examples of "living in distortion" are almost all well known cognitive distortions in that field, except you can tell which ones are valid and which ones are just tossed in there because God (like "gender", lol.)
@bishielurfer Жыл бұрын
I like that she came to the conclusion that, because she doesn't understand what something means, it was made up to confuse her. I just imagine being in a math class and being like "I don't get this. Stop making up things to confuse me." And when someone tells her what something means (such as capslock being yelling, which is a very standard practice and has been for a long time) and she comes back with "I didn't know that, so no it doesn't." It's incredible the mental gymnastics they'll go through to avoid admitting they were wrong or to avoid learning new information.
@MyDancingShoes Жыл бұрын
It feels to me like they're literally incapable of understanding perspectives exist outside themselves. They cannot feel any form of empathy. I don't think they know what love and compassion even are, or what they feel like. So the only reality that exists is their own, and thus everyone else is either lying, manipulating, or existing wrong. That's the truth to them because it's the only way their brains can make sense of a world that isn't inside themselves.
@sourgreendolly7685 Жыл бұрын
Also if someone misunderstands them, they should have basically predicted the misunderstanding and ask for clarification before responding. 🤦🏻♀️
@ameliavelasco8602 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know how they think that looking and sounding like complete ignorant fools somehow makes them smarter than everyone. “I don’t understand this so it’s not in TRUTH.” Uh idk why don’t you try learning?
@bbo70029 ай бұрын
Yeah that's exactly how they act! Like they have no moral imagination, no ability to judge things for themselves. They're completely dependent on their religious leaders or texts to tell them what to do. You can't live that way in the contemporary world tho. The bible has rules that are impossible or unsustainable to follow, not to mention all the things that we know via scientific evidence are unsafe or unhealthy. That being the case, religious folks HAVE to depend on cherry-picking, or else they'd have to chuck the whole book. Ok that's fair enough. But THEN some of these folks arbitrarily choose what to cherry-pick and get upset when ppl call them out for it! They could let go of homophobia as easily as they let go of being forbidden to shave their beards or braid their hair, but they don't do that. Why?? There's only one reason I can think of. It's bc they don't want to. Their religious leaders already told them that "It's WRONG!" and that's enough for them to shut down their brains. They don't even take a moment to put themselves in other ppl's shoes and consider what it might be like if they were the ones being abused, attacked, discriminated against etc. so depressing... 😒
@maryfrancess93 Жыл бұрын
Oh my lord. That video of her taking an hour shower before taking her kid to the hospital triggered me so badly because i nearly died after having a severe issue with my heart after not sleeping for three days with severe anxiety and i was terrified that if i fell asleep i would die. My mother got very upset that i was ruining her day. I sat on the couch nearly passed out while she took 45 minutes to blow dry her hair. She said the entire time i was imagining it. It was so severe when i finally got to the hospital that they had to give me major tranquilizers and it didn't even take my heart rate down to normal. Blurry vison is a serious problem and a symptom of many major illnesses.
@Umurhan999 Жыл бұрын
I think Ruby and Jodi see no difference in mental faculties through a child aging. They genuinely seem to believe a 3-year-old has the same level of thinking as a 16-year-old, and at the same time they see the mental faculties of all minors as insufficient in making their own choices that stand outside their control. Their conception of parenthood seems more like an employer at best, and a slave owner at worst.
@Caelinus Жыл бұрын
It is 100% a slave owner. They are looking at their kids as their property to do with what they want, not as actual people. They are, at best, props. They can probably rationalize the differences in development simply because they do not have a single iota of care for their children's mental states. It is easy to think their brains do not develop when you never listen to a thing they say.
@SoggyMuffin09 Жыл бұрын
I’m ex Mormon and I’m sure there are going to be some thoughts 1. Jody blackmailing John Doe with a corn addiction is actually a super big deal (not saying that Rachel doesn’t know this she obviously does) having a corn addiction is probably one of the worst things you can do as a Mormon and even if you only ever see corn once people are going to assume that you’re addicted. It’s seen as a moral deficit. John Doe would have been kicked out of college with his credits revoked, removed from the church if he didnt repent (which is a whole different can of worms), depending on how shitty the people in his life are he also could have been completely cut off from all his family and friends, being Mormon also makes you pretty dependent on the church so this man was basically cut off from his entire support system 2. Mormons seeing unqualified mental health “professional” is a super big and common problem 3. This will take way to long to fully explain but CONnections beliefs go super well with Mormonism. They’re probably targeting Mormon people who are very likely to be completely swept up in this because of the church’s similarities to CONnections 4. These poor kids lose of privacy is obviously super extreme but lesser versions of this are super common in Mormon families. In general kids aren’t supposed to act like kids and when they don’t it’ll be broadcasted to the church community. 5. Chad’s phone being read during dinner (or something similar) is something that has happened to me and several of my close friends growing up in the church. ALSO THE FLIPPHONE has also happened I don’t know how helpful these comments are. Basically this all boils down to HOLY FUCK all of this feels so incredibly linked to them being Mormon. I’m not going to be able to explain this in a way that people who didn’t grow up in the LDS church will fully understand but every time Ruby goes on a rant I get flashbacks to stuff people in the church have said
@jeanchampion671 Жыл бұрын
But in the church is child rearing negative reinforcement based?
@anakaliahaoa2551 Жыл бұрын
@@jeanchampion671 In the Mormon church? Yes. It's pretty typical in all fundamentalist sects, actually. The idea of imperfect behavior being a choice that the child is making, especially related to disobedience, is huge. The logic then goes that if it's a choice you need to "encourage" the child to make a "better choice" by associating negative consequences with the first behavior. The problem is the so-called "choice" we're talking about is having a tantrum when a young child, which is normal developmentally, or wanting privacy as they get older, which is also normal developmentally. Also, any and all disobedience to the parent, the church, or the God, must be punished harshly because disobedience is a sin. Urgh.
@DaveJohnsonSCG Жыл бұрын
Exactly, very well said. Fellow exmo here. Once you understand the LDS "religion" you will understand Jodi and Ruby's actions. This didn't happen in a vacuum and there are more victims out there.
@rebeccat9389 Жыл бұрын
Listen, it’s actually so much worse than #1. The guy she blackmailed was a part of the Boy Scout child abuse scandal LDS tried to cover up. And they claimed that child abuse was why he couldn’t possibly be anything but broken. Also it definitely appeared the Elder that was involved in trying to cover the CSA there was the same one who referred him and his wife to Jodi - knowingly? There’s a very long painful interview with him on Moon Stories. It was heartbreaking. His life was completely ripped apart.
@lythiathyme7581 Жыл бұрын
I thought the exact same thing! Like I can't exactly put it into words but it feels so inherently... Mormon. A lot of the stuff Ruby and Jodie are saying feel so familiar it makes me uncomfortable. Like I would not be surprised if someone said something adjacent or similar in a sacrament meeting talk, or in a youth group talk (especially the sex-related content). I can almost hear specific people from the ward I grew up in saying these things... And a BIG agree on the corn stuff... as a curious teen I looked up "inappropriate" (honestly pretty expected for my age) content and I felt so guilty I was convinced I'd never make it to celestial heaven. I literally resigned myself to going to telestial heaven with war criminals. I almost went to my bishop about it too (thank god I didn't). The shit that Ruby and Jodi were spewing on Connexions reminded me of the shame I felt not just for looking up b00bs on google once, but also the shame I felt for my body simply existing, when these sort of topics would be brought up on Sundays. I can't even imagine what sort of influence Connexion had or has on Mormon parents that are applying their awful "advice" into their homes.
@TwinkleTwinkleTruly9 ай бұрын
“Two year olds make everything about themselves.” Yes, Ruby, because they’re TWO!!! And no, I’m not writing “two” like just to emphasise it, I’m writing like that, because I’m shouting, cuz this grown woman, who has given birth to 6 children, doesn’t understand why toddlers are the most selfish beings on the planet and that they also are allowed to be selfish, cuz that’s how we’ve evolved to survive long enough to have the ability to take care of our own needs and the needs of others. It is literally an instinct meant to keep children alive, that’s why they cry when they’re upset or uncomfortable! They can’t fix it themselves, so they need to ask others to fix it for them! The fact that at 3 years old, her son was able to go “I messed up, I need to clean this or it will have consequences” is so telling, and it is not a good story!
@ToneDeaf403 Жыл бұрын
Ruby really sees parenting as an eternal battle where it's good vs evil and the children are inherently evil
@larissabrglum3856 Жыл бұрын
That's a really good way of putting it.
@Valcera Жыл бұрын
Their opinion on newborn babies is truly disgusting. They don’t have “agency” and they’re not “independent” they’re scared and have no idea what is going on around them. What terrible mothers.
@guadalupeavila9045 Жыл бұрын
She keeps saying “ Kevin and I” he is as guilty as her. He needs to be in prison. They are both disgusting narcissist 🤢🤮
@onceuponamelody Жыл бұрын
Jodie's niece/nibling was on the Mormon Stories podcast channel and the fact that they were abused in the exact same way as Ruby's kids and no one did anything about it is horrifying. I hope Jodie and Ruby both go to prison for a very long time, and that the kids stay safe. The system has already failed them so much... 💔
@nyssalynn5216 Жыл бұрын
Solidarity from a non-binary exmo. I can't imagine what they're going thru
@tingzing5668 Жыл бұрын
I came to say that too... their story was so intensely heartbreaking- and having that inside look of how systemic the problems are was genuinely disturbing. Truly they were failed at every single level, by so many people. So bright and introspective and intelligent and a good communicater & they were just chewed up and spit out; I can't begin to imagine the impact on so many other people. It's a whole other sadistic universe operating right in front of us, and people barely blink an eye! The whole institution is like a perfect safe haven for unmitigated rampant abuse. Of every kind. It's INSANE. I'm also part of the way through Adam's story right now too- it's just crazy how widespread and life altering this kind of harm really is.
@Kenkasan Жыл бұрын
And the dad as well.
@lucylulusuperguru3487 Жыл бұрын
They're both certifiable. And Dad? He was an almost total absentee parent. I know donor dads with more involvement than him.@@Kenkasan
@Opiniatedwoman Жыл бұрын
Adam Steed was on Mormon Stories today. Wow!! What a mind blowing interview.
@SabrinaGarrison-m2d Жыл бұрын
As a mother of a almost 4 year old daughter. Seeing the little girl crying and shaking because she’s being punished for no reason was very hard to watch. 😢 that little girl didn’t deserve that and she probably was treated like that all the time…. Poor baby…
@chiarabernardi2705 Жыл бұрын
36:16 I got chills, she says her youngest two kids are numb and in the same breath that she wants them to experience pain... im like wtf no wonder they're number, they're probably freaking traumatized
@Arwena111 Жыл бұрын
I’m speechless. These women are sick, disgusting individuals. Having a degree in psychology, I’m especially shocked how this Jodi was even a licensed counsellor in the first place. She seems to have no knowledge of psychology, especially developmental psychology or she’s just deliberately ignoring the science. It just blows my mind. I really hope they both rot in prison for a long time.
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 Жыл бұрын
Therapy licensure needs to come with a psychological screening. Period. We need to prevent narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, and Dark Triad / Cluster B people from becoming therapists. While it'd be ideal if we could weed such people out of society altogether, protecting the most vulnerable groups from such people is a great first step.
@ottiliemurrell7162 Жыл бұрын
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826Hell yes.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
Utah is run by Mormons. They do not care about the separation of church and state. Jodi and Ruby were put on a pedestal since they are in the cult- I mean religion.
@Coastpsych_fi99 Жыл бұрын
I found plenty of people in my psychology courses that lacked complete and utter compassion or empathy. Some people are drawn to the field for nefarious reasons sadly! I agree, they deserve to rot in prison. Feel awful for the kids to lack loving or kind parents.
@DonnaLena1 Жыл бұрын
It seems Jodi has been recommended by the LDS Church for decades. Much of her financial success comes from the church.
@IAmNotAWoodenDuck Жыл бұрын
Her language is so horribly manipulative. Using language like "they are invited to do this" and "they are given the gift of a visceral experience" to excuse the horrific control and abuse that she has used on her own children is sick. It makes me believe she knows exactly what she's doing, because I believe that someone who believes they're doing the right thing wouldn't try so hard to excuse her own sickening behaviour. Evil, evil, evil.
@susansteinhardt8503 Жыл бұрын
Rachel, you are so good! You lay the case out so well. The content is superior. I can only watch snippets at a time.
@shyliek11 Жыл бұрын
My mother has always respected my and my siblings privacy and independence. Two of us are adults and out of the house, we call and text regularly and visit with her whenever we can. My youngest sibling shares almost everything with my mom, my fiancé adores my mom, she has a great relationship with all my friends from high school who don’t speak with their mothers now. It’s magic how being a respectful person and mother means you continue having a relationship with their kids as adults. Everyday i am more grateful for my mother, even her faults. This is so hard to hear and watch, i hate they had such a large platform and still influence new parents and promoting this abuse
@shyliek11 Жыл бұрын
Also if she says distortion one more time i’ll scream oh my god
@AnnaVictrix Жыл бұрын
Cults also engage in starvation, sleep deprivation, and overwork to make people weak and compliant. So it’s notable to me that Ruby also engaged in those practices with their kids.
@spOOkytimes Жыл бұрын
also social isolation. They were taken out of school and intentionally neglected. They couldn't have friends due to how bad the abuse was.
@TPoPArt Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and subscribed. This is such a thorough coverage of those involved in this case. Good job! It’s shocking how Ruby cannot hide her excitement when talking about her harsh punishments of her kids.