The Downward 'Spiral' of the Saw Franchise

[@jasonchilado]

Both Jigsaw and Spiral feel like weird alternate universe high budget fan fiction movies so detached from 1-7 and 10.

[@ripdalt]

oh 100%, feels like a completely different franchise almost

[@Tovick-Gaming]

Yet.. spiral though... its better than Jigsaw, i watched it without the Saw franchise logo on it, it for me felt like a good back to source idea..

[@m.michaels]

I liked both honestly. The pace in both were nice because saw almost became... If you seen one you seen them all These other two... Felt nice to be so different

[@marmalade8915]

Exactly

[@p-ruthless9005]

I think the most undercooked stupid part is when they didn’t show us the electric bathtub finger trap until after we knew he died after taking away all his suspense

[@p-ruthless9005]

Underlooked*

[@ripdalt]

it takes ALL of the gravity out of it. i really don't like how this one was edited together

[@FictionalADDON]

Just cut the first part of the trap out and let it play after Fitch gets captured.

[@filmx_pictures]

the jigsaw copycat voice sounds like they're trying to do a kermit the frog impression but failing miserably

[@ripdalt]

perhaps there's a... frog... in their throat?

[@daviddoingstuff4725]

It’s not easy being Kramer

[@grandmasgopnik9642]

Hello, jig the saw here 🐸 😂

[@homerhat420]

It's pretty good considering its a 9th entry in a horror franchise. I happily rewatch this one when revisiting Saw

[@ripdalt]

exactly, generally 9th entries are terrible, but this one's at least decent

[@gabrielafonseca4034]

I think the main shortcoming of this movie is that you don't buy Shank as the mastermind creator of all these traps. His motivation is clear enough but how on earth was he capable of amassing all the skills, means and knowledge to pull off his games? He's no John Kramer, just a rightfully angry kid

[@ripdalt]

the motive is there, but yeah i just don't believe he's got the juice to be a jigsaw clone

[@Cree_Empire_]

It's amazing how they'll take a decent/good concept and just make the right mistakes. Citizen takes inspiration from Jigsaws work and uses it on the unjust police force. So simple and clean, yet they somehow shot themselves in the foot in the writers room.

[@ripdalt]

right? like sooooo close to pulling it off, just went off the rails along the way

[@ules5799]

Oh no, we're almost at the end! I can't wait for your Saw X video, though

[@ripdalt]

it's been such a wild ride :,) not quite as wild as chester's from saw 3d, but close

[@Tp_hedgelinghog]

​@@ripdaltyeah that's a hard one to beat

[@ianbyrne465]

Dalt, I’m going to need that “hello dalt.” Beat dropped asap

[@p-ruthless9005]

After Saw X is done you should do the Leprechaun franchise it’s about a leprechaun who kills peiple who get his gold and some of the movie are stupidly fun, there’s 2 movies where the leprechaun is in the hood

[@ripdalt]

omg i LOVE leprechaun! i put two of those on my list for best horror movies in every state, and lep in the hood (the first one) is genuinely such a good movie :)

[@Eamonshort1]

Lep in the hood? Up to no good!

[@ripdalt]

hello everyone! i hope you enjoyed this one, we've got just one more of these theatrical release analyses, before we get into the _real_ fun. thank you all very much for the support on the series, yall are the best :)

[@bugsin_myskin]

when i was ten i made a handwritten fanfic of me and amanda in the bathroom trap and at the end she let me go because we fell in love (i wrote this after seeing the 3rd movie)

[@ripdalt]

wait omg can i read it??

[@bugsin_myskin]

@@ripdalt ill prolly dm you a digital version on it on ig 😭

[@bugsin_myskin]

@@ripdalt it's long gone dalt im so sorry 😭

[@watchmehope6560]

You can fix her... frfr

[@rayvenkman2087]

"I can fix her ma!" "No son. It's game over for you... I have the embarrassing photos to show her." "NOOOOOOO!" *Hello Zep theme plays*

[@p-ruthless9005]

The fact that the “billy” puppet isn’t even close to billy and its a Pig named Mr Hugs or something stupid just offends me

[@ripdalt]

i actually like the design of him, but he is no billy

[@darthmeticulous6901]

@@p-ruthless9005 Officially it’s named Mr. Snuggles. Weird indeed.

[@grandmasgopnik9642]

@@darthmeticulous6901that is a weird name but I think he’s kind of a fun little guy and is at least more believable as a child’s toy in some capacity 😅. I will say always love the idea of John’s presenting Billy to Jill for their unborn child.

[@JohnnyCarver2024OC]

The Chris Rock horror film. My 5th Favorite saw film

[@ripdalt]

right in the middle, not too bad!

[@JohnnyCarver2024OC]

@@ripdalt I have it over saw though

[@SlothBirb]

I never know how to feel about Spiral. Like there's a reason its called "Spiral: From the Book of Saw" but even with that distinction it still feels like it wants to be a Saw movie? However one thing I will 100% give this movie is the "homemade" feel of the traps. It's the only movie in the franchise that the traps still get me squeamish just thinking about them and I don't really know why lol. Anyways great video, 19 broken Chris Ramsey legs out of 5 :) also I highly recommend Tusk, it's not in my top 5 but I really enjoyed it

[@ripdalt]

they still tried to let us know this is saw adjacent with that title, but could've fooled me! also tusk is super fun, i love justin long :)

[@MrChase-]

I actually enjoy this film a lot; it is my 4th favorite - only behind #3, #2 & X. I also unironically love the new jigsaw voice is a worthy sequel to John.

[@ripdalt]

i'm glad you like this one! i'm seeing way more people that enjoy this one that i thought i would've

[@ashmenser7959]

I know Chris rock has been pigeonholed into comedy roles, but that was my biggest disconnect with spiral. He has done so many comedy shows, tv shows, and movies that I kept expecting his usual comedy while watching.

[@ripdalt]

i'm sure the potential is there, but jim carrey he is not

[@theSliferfr]

Just another classic dalt W video, what more can we expect at this point? Thank you for making these!

[@ripdalt]

thank you so so much! :)

[@XenobiaDarkstar]

The gore level and the fact that we never got an uncut version of this movie really kneecapped the movie for me. I know that they were forced to cut a lot from the movie due to the MPA being a pain but we never even got to see the beautiful practical effects on a physical release.

[@ripdalt]

yeah i go into that a bit more in the saw x one, but the restraints they put on this one really hinders the enjoyment

[@rayvenkman2087]

And even if we got an unrated version, it wouldn't fix the script

[@bwax3135]

Can't wait for the Saw 11 x Five Nights at Freddy's crossover sequel

[@ripdalt]

john kramer is purple guy??? (game theory)

[@rayvenkman2087]

We all know Saw 12 vs Dingodile is Saw of our dreams.

[@eviehm2521]

as a long time fan of the franchise i was kinda expecting the disappointment that i got while watching after jigsaw, which made it more manageable for me. it felt less like a saw movie for me and more just in the universe and i just could not get attached to the characters enough for the stand alone to work. compared to jigsaw and X, it just doesn’t even feel remotely similar. i kept thinking it almost had wannabe Seven vibes. i didnt hate it but it was just so meh. not having billy was also kinda unforgivable for me and was the point that i stopped watching as a saw movie i always love your videos man keep up the great work!

[@ripdalt]

i think they sold me with the casting choices and the veil of being something saw related with the mysterious "from the book of saw". i feel mostly the same about it as i do jigsaw, meh. also, thank you for the nice words, i really appreciate it :)

[@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu]

With the recency bias now worn off, Spiral has fallen quite a bit in my Saw ranking, but I nonetheless appreciate the shake-up it brought to the franchise with the things it tried to do, even if it wasn’t always successful. As genuinely great as Saw X was, the harsh reality is that we’ve likely got another film or two at best with Tobin Bell before he’s no longer with us, and while I know many fans are holding out hope for the return of Hoffman, Dr. Gordon or even Amanda, I personally feel that a series of anthology-style films similar to Spiral that follow new killers adapting the Jigsaw philosophy and methods to their own ends (perhaps discovered/learned through the Jigsaw Rules website established in Jigsaw) would be a much more interesting avenue for the franchise to explore and would open up all sorts of new possibilities.

[@ripdalt]

i like the idea of catching back up with gordon, or seeing everything he did behind the scenes more in his absence in saw 2-6, or building off some side characters we've met previously like eleanor, mallick, or detective tapp

[@Acquilla7]

Yeah. Fact of the matter is, Tobin Bell's like 82 or 83 now. And while I'm sure he genuinely enjoys making these movies, considering he keeps coming back at his age, there's gonna be a point where eventually I'm sure he's gonna want or need to call it quits. And while my personal preference would be to have Dr. Gordon come back because Cary Elwes being sinister and chewing scenery is delightful, given he hasn't been in the last three, I don't see it happening. So an anthology would be fun, as long as they don't do any of the silly "I speak for the dead" nonsense like they tried to pull in Jigsaw. Also down for them keeping the more political bent like in Spiral and 6; dirty cops and insurance execs make way better trap victims rather than *checks notes* a bunch of people framed by said dirty cops, a grieving dad, and people with mental illnesses.

[@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu]

@@ripdalt Still waiting on my Detective Fisk solo movie too.

[@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu]

@@Acquilla7 It’s funny you should mention that, because part of the reason I’m so passionate about the anthology idea is because of an idea I’ve had for such a film where all of the victims are powerful city leaders/officials involved in a conspiracy surrounding a murder from 20 years ago. Bringing back Hoffman or Dr. Gordon is the route I feel they’ll ultimately go, given how well Saw X did and that Cary Elwes or Costas Mandylor could probably be enticed to come back by the producers dropping a truckload of money on their driveway, but I really hope to see some more Spiral-style films and am glad I’m not the only one interested in that.

[@Acquilla7]

@@SamuelMcAlpin-ft3uu Yeah I could see that being fun! If it were me in charge and I knew I couldn't get Gordon, I'd go with basically a Jigsaw cult. Not apprentices, because the timeline has been tortured enough, but just people who got into Kramer's ideology after he died. That makes it easy to switch up antagonists, and if we wanted to keep the gore telenovela aspect would be easy to throw in some background drama between cultists for the fans who are into that.

[@chychy0326]

another amazing video! your saw series is best i’ve come across youtube! thank you so much❤️

[@ripdalt]

thank you very much :) i'm glad you've enjoyed them all so far!

[@tatshin8733]

can finally sit down and watch this after a busy week! thank you for making these. every one of them has been so fun and insightful to watch!

[@ripdalt]

congrats on making it through another week! and of course, thank you for watching :)

[@Lucy-nw4im]

I don’t know if I’m excited because the Saw X video is imminent or disappointed because this fantastic series is coming to a close :( I loved how empathetic you were towards Amanda- I’m hoping for some similar energy with Gabriela!

[@ripdalt]

i absolutely love them both, obviously amanda moreso, but the connections between them are hard to ignore, and i really do feel for her

[@OfficialRedMusic]

Tbh spiral has its flaws for example the build up for the twist and comedic tone. Despite that the traps, Cinematography, soundtrack and story concept was great. Also the marketing for Spiral was the best. It's sure not a masterpiece but I liked it

[@ripdalt]

it's not a bad movie by any means, which is a testament to how great this series truly is. i'd watch this 100 times before watching another one of those later hellraiser or f13 sequels (except for jason x, that one rules)

[@G-rz8sz]

Kinda unrelated to the video but I’ve become obsessed with ur channel and genuinely look forward to your videos. Idk why I’m so drawn to it but keep up the good work ❤❤❤

[@ripdalt]

thank you very much :) idk what, but i must be doin somethin right!

[@p-ruthless9005]

Spiral is just a imagination it does not need to be canon

[@ripdalt]

spiral isn't real, it can't hurt you spiral:

[@crabdatabase7279]

i usually don't comment on youtube videos but i've been watching your saw series since you covered the second movie and i have to say how much i love your work! your analysis feels fresh, your jokes and observations are original and you actually add a lot instead of just going over the whole movie scene-by-scene. very excited to see what you'll make after this series :)

[@ripdalt]

thank you very much for this, i appreciate it very much :) i've still got a few more saw-related things to come!

[@RyandotK]

Chris Rock definitely felt like an odd choice, it was hard to take him seriously a lot of the time. The best part of this movie is the Pigsaw voice, it's so much fun to replicate because it's so odd and unintimidating

[@ripdalt]

"HeLlO dEtEcTiVe BoZwIcK"

[@pukozzz]

I honestly couldn't finish watching this movie but the half hour i watched was so weird..... Chris rock is definitely not the guy for this (he needs some fanfiction classes) but also with the police theme it felt a lot like criticism of the police but also throwing around the oh but police suffers too!!! they get cheated on by their horrible wives!!!!! it bothered me so much

[@ripdalt]

it all just came across very tone deaf. it could have worked really well, but just didn't quite do it

[@nicdevo41]

Please talk more about horns... it's absurdly underrated

[@ripdalt]

horns enjoyers!!! i love when daniel radcliffe plays weird lil guys

[@nicdevo41]

Daniel Radcliffe's neverending pursuit of the weirdest character in film

[@bibi-gr8kt]

I LOVE SPIRAL!! im spiral pilled spiral maxer forever… i just love the concept, and i love schenk sm! i think i ironically loved chris rocks performance but the stupidity of it kinda makes me love it sm now lol. i love the traps and how william manages to make the metaphors. some ppl believe he wouldn’t be able to pull of the traps but i feel like rage and vengeance can get u pretty far idk. like i think it’s possible? id love to see more of the characters and this story but w how it was received i know ill never get it :(( its such a fun concept i hope they revisit it (only in my dreams) ALSO THE PLOT TWIST IS NOT SCHENK, its the subtle fact that it was all bcs of Marcus and what he did under article 8, also the fact the the cops shoot him immediately (even if sketchy) is bcs many don’t think before shooting…

[@ripdalt]

i LOVE when people are so passionately in favor of something a lot of people don't like, it's always so cool :) i definitely think it's underrated, but pretty unneeded in the franchise. but you do make some very good points here!

[@dancool5546]

Its my 3rd favorite Saw movie. I genuinely wanna see a follow up.

[@ripdalt]

oooh nice! i like when people enjoy the oddball ones :)

[@bibi-gr8kt]

SAME I WANNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS

[@hichaelhighers]

People are so mentally inflexible and afraid of change that they can simply NOT tolerate a Saw movie without Tobin Bell and Billy and will go to incredible lengths to justify this hate. I thought this movie was awesome. It had much more police procedural elements like the first one, it had a great story with lots of suspense, insane traps.

[@ripdalt]

sometimes the police procedural parts of the franchise are the best (like saw v) but in this one it just didn't quite hit the right notes for me

[@livingcorpse5664]

The spiraling flower in the corner makes me smirk.

[@ripdalt]

job succeeded then :)

[@LeonWarczak]

Horns the book is one of my all time favorites. Highly, highly recommend even if you've seen the movie already.

[@ripdalt]

oooh i've never read it, i'll have to pick it up! :)

[@misterme6640]

This was a step forward for the saw universe. I love the idea that jigsaw's influence is spreading to random people who didn't even know him. There's so many new idea that can come from that. Unfortunately they're taking a major step back with the latest saw film by focusing on Kramer again

[@ripdalt]

i agree that it could be interesting to take the copy cat route, but i can't say the shift back to john and amanda in saw x is a step back. it added so much empathy to the pair, and enhances their relationship and dynamic that we see in saw's 2 and 3 :)

[@beau5265]

This is 100% the hardest one to rank for me (it’s 8th BTW), as it’s VERY detached from the main Saw series. I remember they were pushing at the time that it WAS suppose to be a sub-series, and it’s not bad looking at it that way. Not perfect or anything, but I perhaps admired it a TAD more than Jigsaw. A little comment though, on Rock insisting to put comedy in a Saw movie: Saw always had comedy. The first was probably the most “witty”, which probably came mostly from Whannel. The rest of the series has a lot of dark humor going forward merging into outright camp in VII. I’d saw Jigsaw in particular did a good job at bringing the Whannel-esque wit back. All Rock did with Spiral is add HIS comedy into a Saw, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but made me question how well he really knew Saw as a series when he injected himself in it. Bousman made the film as good as he could, but I think a script polish could have improved it. As it stands it’s a good flick, if a tad flawed.

[@ripdalt]

that's a fair point for the comedy, i should've been more clear with what i wanted to say :)

[@darthmeticulous6901]

One thing I feel you should know is Angie wasn’t lured into her trap by a message from Zeke, as the video states. It was actually a message from Marcus, his father, and basically what it means is he was captured by William before Angie and William used Marcus’ phone to lure her into the room. The rest of what you had to say I completely agree with. I have said for years that Spiral is a good film on its own, it is just not a good Saw film. To me it likely would have worked as a Se7en remake.

[@ripdalt]

yes i did mess up in the commentary bit, but i think i put a note somewhere in there that it was marcus :)

[@HeiferTheHeliumHuffer]

Babe, wake up, dalt. posted again! We're one video closer to that Saw X review!

[@ripdalt]

it's almost time! then we get into some _real_ fun stuff :)

[@SariahCupp-lx3xd]

Idk why, but I kinda like this movie, mostly of why it switches the plot to focus more on the cop plot But I kinda feel like Samuel L. Jackson is wastes in the movie, he doesn't do anything until Zeke find him, but hey, if any movie or show that have Samuel L. Jackson is in it, I'm here to see it

[@ripdalt]

i agree 100%, he is one of the greatest actors of all-time, relegated to a few quips here and there. so disappointing

[@julesrules7297]

This was a fun theater experience. It was nothing transcendent, of course, but I kind of loved the fanfiction aspect since I've seen every Saw movie in theaters since sneaking into #1 in high school. Every Saw experience is a different memory, but for better or worse... it's never boring. I feel the same about Shayamalan movies.

[@ripdalt]

that's a pretty good comparison actually, there's a good variance to m. night movies, some really good, some completely bonkers, much like the saw franchise

[@tizza963]

My favourite saw film is up next! Can’t wait 👍🏿

[@ripdalt]

it's a good one! :)

[@venti3849]

Been super busy and now im finally sitting down to watch this🙏(with popcorn ofc)

[@ripdalt]

you finally get to relax with some peak saw action :)

[@TheBrotherGrim]

Your icon reminds me a bit of an old Liquid Television short called Crazy Daisy Ed about an angry flower man. Like it's Ed's smiley cousin 😂

[@ripdalt]

i _did_ have to look that one up, but i am OBSESSED. what a fun lil guy :)

[@TheBrotherGrim]

@ripdalt Ha, that's awesome you checked it out! Glad you dug it. He really is a fun lil dood

[@skrtskrt8094]

ANOTHER banger video dalt! sad it's almost over, hopefully saw 11 comes out sooner than later!

[@ripdalt]

they're taking their sweet time with it, so i'm hoping it's good!

[@chrisbcpack]

cant wait to see you cover saw x! geniunely the first time i was excited by a saw entry in YEARS

[@ripdalt]

i went into it with lower expectations, and it absolutely blew me away! i love it :)

[@tracystano2002]

This movie lost all it's hope when it renamed it from The Organ Donor to Spiral. The Organ Donor is such an awesome name... come on!

[@ripdalt]

that is really good! i think spiral still works, but mostly because of schenk's speech towards the end. but i'd love it if they use the name for a future installment!

[@bilalrashad6636]

I like Spiral, I don't know why people crap all over it, it wasn't perfect but it was still a good movie

[@ripdalt]

and that's all that matters :)

[@VampireLestatTheBratPrince]

A dalt video on saw will always get me to watch it as soon as I can. Even if it is for a movie I’d always skip on a rewatch and prefer to pretend it doesn’t exist.

[@ripdalt]

and for that, i thank you :)

[@salamander5874]

This was the last saw movie I watched in the franchise. I put it off for so long until I ended up buying a dvd set a few months ago. I went in with low expectations, but I was actually impressed with the first hour or so. I ended up disappointed with the ending, much like you talked about! It had so much potential. It was an interesting story and one I wish was better resolved. Spiral and Jigsaw both had interesting ideas and ones that could’ve fit into the franchise so well, but they just ended up falling flat, which was so disappointing.

[@ripdalt]

if you haven't, i'd recommend saw x! it's not one of these spin-offs, and provides a lot of character building for john and amanda! :)

[@salamander5874]

@@ripdalt I saw it in theaters and really enjoyed it! One of the only saw movies with traps that I had to fight the urge to look away from with a fantastic story to boot!

[@ripdalt]

@@salamander5874 the theater experience was MAGIC, everyone loved it and was cheering and wincing all at once

[@chychy0326]

i argue kerry was probably the most decent cop out of all the ones in the series. i still love strahm tho lol

[@ripdalt]

oh truuuue, yeah she's another one of the good ones

[@Clownbox75]

She did help Eric cheat on his wife though

[@whatsuplocs2813]

The hot wax trap was ridiculous. Sever your own spinal cord? AS hot was is pouring onto your face.

[@ripdalt]

one of the most sinister traps in the whole franchise, so cruel

[@metalgearhank]

i really liked the whole buddy cop aspect of the movie and thought banks and shank worked well together! if only they were written better...

[@ripdalt]

i like their dynamic too! i think they could be a good team if they wanted to play out their little game

[@grandmasgopnik9642]

First time viewing thoughts 1. Jigsaw voice sounds the like “when will you realize that your action have CONSEQUENCES?!” kid, love that and 2. Samuel Jackson has a SICK train photo in his very trendy apartment 👌.

[@ripdalt]

nooooo not sonic sammy lmao

[@madelinebrooks6122]

Have been waiting for you to get to this one! Can’t wait to watch!

[@ripdalt]

i hope you enjoy it! and thank you for watching :)

[@chychy0326]

it’s funny this was the first movie i got to see in theaters after covid and i was so excited! so this movie has a special place in my heart

[@ripdalt]

i feel like maybe that experience in the theater would've been helpful for my initial viewing, but watching it in the safety of home was still nice :)

[@noramoran7437]

this is insane because i just rewatched it this morning. idk why i did that to myself 🙁

[@ripdalt]

had to prepare for the test!

[@dandelion6716]

I love your saw videos so much!! I can’t wait for X. The only bad thing is it’s going to be the last one

[@ripdalt]

there's a _few_ more things saw related after that :o

[@blackAngelProductions]

Spiral with such a disaster I can't believe I'm saying this but spiral is the only saw movie I have ever seen in theaters I missed out on all the others. Do they even explain how the fake jigsaw even learned or knew how to make these traps? John Kramer was a engineer but shank is just a cop.

[@ripdalt]

i think i had to skip it in theaters due to the pandemic, and honestly it's for the best. maybe seeing it on the big screen with the good sound systems might've made it better? idk...

[@blackAngelProductions]

@@ripdalt well I saw this movie in an empty theater that's usually never a good sign I might as well have just stayed home in torrented it.

[@ginyuforcefan6996]

After disliking Jigsaw I was hoping this spin off series would feel more like Saw but it felt alot like Jigsaw and neither of them hit the mark for me. I'm glad Saw X was able to scratch that itch and I'm excited to see your opinion of Saw X

[@ripdalt]

pretty much my thoughts as well, saw x genuinely came at the perfect time for the franchise

[@Romy-kj9mq]

I feel like spiral just does not belong to the saw franchise. Like i get that jigsaw is connected but these two movies are just very much out of place. They should just admit that it is not a saw movie. That is dissapointing. Also dude. Huge fan of yours. Waiting for your saw x video. Keep it up man.

[@ripdalt]

i gotta think that this was just another case of them adapting some other script into a "saw" movie, it's just so odd. also, thank you very much, i appreciate your kind words :)

[@MacR04]

spiral always sticks out to me as being a really weird entry in the franchise but watched on its own its not terrible. really looking forward to your saw x review, its by far the best saw film to come out in atleast 15 years

[@ripdalt]

100% agree, best since 6

[@milesmorgan7142]

I wanted to like this movie so badly but I just can't bring myself to 😭 I think my biggest gripe is just...what is this movie trying to say? Cops are bad unless they're the main character? I think I would have preferred a plot twist that Shenk /wanted/ to be partners with Zeke initially, but saw that Zeke was just like every other cop on the force (maybe the scene where he takes a selfie with the drug dealers leg he broke would be that moment) and now he wants to test him too, to see if a "good" cop is really any better than a "bad" cop, or something along those lines. It just felt so lost with what, if anything, it wanted to say about the police that it ended up having the mildest take of "it's bad when cops shoot civilians or lie!". Between that and the random breaks for Rock to do comedy bits (the "my wife is fucking a yoga instructor" scene especially) I just could not get behind this one at all

[@ripdalt]

that's exactly where i thought it was headed too! but it's just so bizarre and fence-sitty throughout that it says a whole bunch about nothing, or nothing about a whole bunch

[@sighbatsu]

Saw X next, happy sawday! I found Spiral to be the weirdest one out of the newer installments felt more like CSI but make it an HBO episode.

[@ripdalt]

like an episode of law & order, just without ice-t (so not good)

[@golemofwill4728]

All I gotta say is killing the new rookie partner off screen in a film series all about the on screen kills made the twist super obvious.

[@ripdalt]

exactlyyyyy

[@dopamine5170]

idk how i had another saw dream and THEN woke up to a new dalt saw vid. this time it was held in an active volcano and was far more obstacle oriented (a la the stream trap from saw 6) can't wait for your opinions on saw x yippeee 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ripdalt]

wait john should buy an island and set up a game there, that'd be cool. also thank you for watching as always :)

[@LaurenMerrit]

I ranked this Number 2 in my tier list just behind Saw X

[@ripdalt]

i, however, did not. but i respect it!

[@LaurenMerrit]

​@@ripdaltyeah i respect your opinion

[@bijansadoughi2128]

The movie had some potential but the reveal of shank was too obvious.

[@ripdalt]

yeah us not seeing his trap sequence was kind of a dead give away

[@jjane]

I had fun watching this movie, but it’s definitely not what I wanted nor expected from a stand-alone movie in this franchise. I did enjoy that it ended up being a “cop” movie, more than anything.

[@ripdalt]

this one felt like all cop, whereas saw x was all traps. which, both can be fun

[@Rainbowchaos020]

i swear after watching the garfield movie it feels werid knowing that garfield's father was also a cop that got involved with a serial killer then died (since sammuel L jackson plays both vic (garfields father) and marcus in this one)

[@ripdalt]

if there's a movie connections game, this could be big lmao

[@Rainbowchaos020]

@@ripdalt lol

[@Toxoplasmosis679]

Spiral is definitely a movie

[@ripdalt]

one of *THE* movies of all-time

[@SariahCupp-lx3xd]

9:48 - Tiffany Valentine: *Gets her phone, while watching this movie* I'm gonna pay some respects *Answers* Mrs. Bozwick, My name is Tiffany Ray... Also, Fun Fact: This movie just finish shooting days before the pandemic

[@ripdalt]

makes sense, there's way more extras and background people than if it hadn't

[@TC-ex5fr]

Keep in mind Chris Rock's character states Jigsaw NEVER TARGETED COPS... Huh?!?

[@ripdalt]

detective kerry has a bone to pick with him... a full rib cage worth actually

[@borostanca]

i love your commentary SO MUCH youre like nothing on KZbin lol, especially ur editing

[@ripdalt]

thank you so much! :) that really means a lot. i try my best with these, so i'm glad it's paid off!

[@abmaisie]

rip angie garza, such a shame because i love marisol nichols

[@ripdalt]

she was an absolute treat in this! so so good

[@venti3849]

Honestly spiral always seemed to me like chris rocks saw fanfic

[@ripdalt]

no LITERALLY, why'd he do that

[@cadillacdeville5828]

Chris Rock was a TERRIBLE choice for this role. It became such a farce in a sense...I HATED this movie..

[@ripdalt]

he just wanted to role play as good guy hero for a bit :)

[@skrtskrt8094]

20:45 ok that's good xD

[@ripdalt]

that was a fun lil gag i had to throw in lmao

[@mikaross4671]

When I first heard the pig voice, I lost my shit. Spiral is so bad. It's absolutely a fanfic to me as well. Love your review. Funny how Chris rock wanted a more serious role, but he was nothing but bad comedy here.

[@ripdalt]

i watched this recently with my friends and we were DYING at the voice, it was a lot of fun :)

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

Imagine being an actor that's half the reason people watch a franchise, and youre told you wont be in the movie because Chris Rock is a Saw fanboy

[@ripdalt]

pure disrespect to the legend of tobin bell

[@YouCantDeleteDenzelL]

@@ripdalt fortunately he returned with a vengeance and gave his best Jigsaw performance two years later!

[@tsoliot5913]

Critiques Ignoring bad cops, proceeds to ignore riots in favor of protests

[@ripdalt]

they ended up being the same thing, but ok

[@AngieDeAguirre]

Marry me little flower made of drawing and dreams! ❤ You are more politically conscious than most of people in my country. Keep doing a great job ❤

[@ripdalt]

one step at a time, we'll see the world grow :) thank you very much!

[@andreworders7305]

7:17 well that was a dumb decision

[@ripdalt]

that whole sequence is one dumb decision lmao

[@misaefre]

the trap at the end was really the only good thing. if chris rock was replaced and the twist was less predictable it couldve been alright, but it just feels like chris rock trying out new material while pretending do actually do something with the series

[@misaefre]

also, the exact moment that i gave up on this movie was when they said "jigsaw never killed cops" like.. hmm.... are you sure ? like really really sure ??

[@ripdalt]

i wouldn't even mind if he was in it just as a side character, but as the main he is so lackluster

[@misaefre]

especially because the movies are pretty funny, i respect him for trying though i guess LOL

[@roonkolos]

I know people give this movie a lot of shit, and mostly understandable But personally, I liked it. It's a LOT better than Jigsaw but that's like saying a stubbed toe is better than a swift kick in the balls. Yeah, it's true but it still gonna hurt I do like that Shanks goes after those that are actually crooked, not "you jaywalked" or however the Kramer meme goes these days. That's what Saw X did well If they do more "Book of Saw" stuff, please make sure the victims actually are bad, not questionably so. Makes it way better

[@ripdalt]

it's a good concept, maybe potential for a miniseries/tv show with each episode being a new set of victims

[@roonkolos]

​@ripdalt that don't sound too bad. Either way, I concept of Saw works best when all have good reason to be in these things. Like the cops in this movie. I get the idea but it still fell flat Still a guilty enjoyment

[@andreworders7305]

18:31 he didn’t check his own text history?

[@ripdalt]

my guess is that schenk deleted it off the phone after he sent it

[@andreworders7305]

6:48 that would still kill him though, he dies either way?

[@ripdalt]

he _might_ survive, but that is a lot of blood loss

[@jessedale4287]

This movie outright pissed me off with the blatant cop hating attitude it had.

[@ripdalt]

it had the _potential_ to be good commentary, but just felt off the mark with it

[@jessedale4287]

​@ripdalt a commentary based off false narratives, and exploiting empathy perhaps. Just like I also hated the idea behind the commentary in 6, because quite frankly insurance companies need to be picky with who they cover or they'll go bankruptcy and be unable to help anyone.

[@ElKNO3]

2:46 What About Detective Steven Sing?

[@ripdalt]

true, by all accounts sing is one of the good ones too (unfortunate end to his saga)

[@dstroyergx1548]

JIGSAW is the worst saw movie. because I don't count Spiral as a saw movie :P at least the series is saved when the SAW X release

[@ripdalt]

that's completely fair lmao

[@Heyxtre]

Weird question but did I hear a cat round 14 mins???

[@ripdalt]

wait i think i heard it lmao, no that was gabriela in her struggle

[@andreworders7305]

12:49 does anyone actually succeed in their game in these movies?

[@ripdalt]

there's a couple, but _very_ rare

[@ashie06]

spiral is just happy to be here :]

[@ripdalt]

no jigsaw, just vibes :)

[@myfriendscallmetom]

Really need Lionsgate to keep up with dalt, better than George rr Martin did with HBO. Saw 11 🤞

[@andreworders7305]

17:01 why wasn’t that the first thing he did?

[@ripdalt]

for *plot purposes*

[@reutha5916]

best horror movie set in every country or dalt oiled up in bunny suit

[@ripdalt]

why not both? (it's coming along, needs a lot more time though :) )

[@maximilian1588]

Chris Rock has been too wealthy for too long and is too out of touch to write a Saw movie. Saw is the peoples horror. for someone who wanted to branch out of comedy he managed to make the entire film a run on joke.

[@ripdalt]

actually, you're kind of onto something there. from what started as a short film to meager budget intro, to these multimillion dollar attempts at recreating that magic, it's just lost a bit of that charm

[@andreworders7305]

13:27 I’m sorry, wasn’t this guy supposed to be the one good cop? He sounds pretty rotten

[@ripdalt]

that scene was genuinely so bizarre

[@andreworders7305]

16:45 there are two police chiefs?

[@ripdalt]

marcus banks retired, and angie garza took over (they still call him chief banks, though)