The Duggars, Bill Gothard, IBLP WILL BE DESTROYED AFTER FILM Featuring Gothard's Survivors PREMIERES

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A documentary film "Until the Truth" a Rangelight Films is in production that is hoping to premiere in 2024 is set to blow up what is left of the IBLP, Bill Gothard and Duggar Family. WOACB spoke to Film Director Sean Dimond to get inside details about the scope of the project. The film will follow 5 women that sued Bill Gothard and dive into the complex culture of the IBLP, Evangelical Churches, and the rules that left these women without words to understand the scope of what Gothard did to them. The documentary is still in production and WOACB has been given full permission to share the extended trailer by the director.
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[@melissaluciani2914]

Thanks for the link Will def donate I am glad those woman have found the voice to speak of their horrible victimization let’s all support

[@LauraNiemond]

I’m happy this IBLP cult is being exposed!!!! Just be careful not to assume that all churches have been influenced by them!!! There are countless individual churches that help communities and individuals thrive and have NOTHING to do with IBLP.

[@eikotakemoto7898]

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[@Anaana-jl5kg]

THANK YOU KATIE THANK YOU! I went through Elders covering up wicked men in my church too! I was shunned, “silenced”, whispered about behind the scenes just for refusing the advances of an Elder and speaking up.

[@magnolia31611]

I know there are a lot of Christian’s who are upset, and they think their faith is being attacked, as a Catholic Christian who was raised in an evangelical, non denominational church, and experienced CSA from a man in my church who’s past was hidden by the pastor of the church, I, and so many others, need you all to understand, this is not about attacking the faith of Christianity, this is about exposing the wolves, the false prophets, who twist pieces and parts of the the Bible to manipulate, control, and ab*se people. That church when I was small put me, and my family through h*ll, and the ramifications of what we experienced still permeate our life over 25 years later. The same way the leaders in the Catholic Church need to be held accountable for their crimes, and things in the church need to change, is the same thing that needs to happen in the evangelical church. If we are truly Christian, regardless of denomination, we have got to expose evil wherever it has infiltrated our churches, and cast it out, not take offense, and suppress it because we are afraid of facing the reality.

[@jc6800]

I'm not arguing. What about the Christian doctrine that makes it impossible to separate the doctrine and faith from the abusers...? For example the JW and the 2 witness rule?

[@hoolydooly5799]

​@@jc6800 you may need to explain what that JW rule 2 means

[@elinebrock5660]

So well said. We must be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Christianity isn't the problem; the problems are with the messenger, not the message.

[@jc6800]

@@hoolydooly5799 When someone claims SA, a child in the congregation or a married couple where the woman has been SAed by her significant other, there has to be another person there to collaborate the abuse or assault.

[@thrivingexjw2061]

@@hoolydooly5799- I was raised a JW ( Jehovah’s Witness). I left the cult for many reasons & one being their 2 witness rule. They believe that in order to turn a pedophile ( or any abuser) into authorities there must be 2 witnesses who observe the crime occurring. If there isn’t 2 witnesses, then it goes unreported & is just swept under the rug & the victims never get justice, plus the abuse continues. The elders tell you that you can report it yourself.. but we all know in reality if you do that, they consider it bringing reproach on Jehovah’s name & there would be consequences for that. They have many lawsuits being brought against them now & hopefully justice will come for the many victims!! Us Ex’s are now EXPOSING the evils of the JW’s organization.. finally!! 👏🏼

[@deemariedubois4916]

This is so important. I cried listening to these women. What was done to these women IS NOT CHRISTIANITY.

[@Drbethturtlewoman]

I remember that movement tried to infiltrate my church back when Jim Bob was a state rep in my city. It split the church in half because many people stood up and rejected his teaching.

[@80Charper]

Rachel Denhollander is a survivor of SA by Dr. Nassir in the US Gymnastics scandal. I think it is amazing that she has taken that trauma and become an advocate and attorney for other survivors of SA. She is a hero.

[@Patti-1962]

I have been shocked by the information I have learned. As a retired teacher, I am saddened by the lack of education these kids have had, and that the state let this happen. Where were the social workers? People who are put in place to look after kids in our country. My grandchildren are home schooled, and there is a lot of paper work and testing that has to be done to make certain they are being properly educated. I also feel that TLC should take some responsibility for the long hours of filming the kids took part in, and that the children weren't represented in the contracts signed by JB. I am sickened by his behavior and lack of integrity when it comes to being a father, literally becoming wealthy on the backs of his kids. I can't wait for the truth to come out and these people are exposed.

[@Catglittercrafts]

It’s Arkansas.

[@rosemariemerritt5035]

I agree with your statement regarding TLC. They acted the same way with Kate Gosselin and her children and we are only just beginning to see how royally she messed up her kids. TLC knew that she was verbally, physically and emotionally abusing her kids and they just sat back and did nothing except rake in money. They did the same with the Duggars. TLC/Discovery is a corrupt company who profits off of the suffering of others.

[@Smileyson58]

Knowledge is power and clearly keeping their followers dumb keeps them in control. So sad

[@Patti-1962]

@@Smileyson58 Exactly!

[@AvalonAnn66]

I wasn't home schooled but I was forced to drop out because of the abuse I was suffering. I couldn't do school and go through what I was going through, and I had no help. I was a girl ,so education was un necessary. I have tried, throughout my life to get my GED, but due to early abuse, I have a learning disability, especially in math. One of my biggest hurts in life is not being able to have a high school diploma. It has kept me from a career and has made me feel worthless.

[@loiscamacho2205]

Wow Katie this is about damn time. I believe that everything has its time and it’s time. Thank you for being such a strong voice for this and for staying strong when so many called you down. ♥️🌹

[@lindseyp4451]

I just watched the Hillsong doc yesterday and they had a similar correlation in it -- Pastors that obsess with preaching on purity but then behind the scenes are sleeping around/cheating on their wives. They pointed out when someone obsesses about a topic like that, they're overcompensating for what their doing in secret. Seems to be what the IBLP is doing too

[@Lilybean58]

As a mother, who was a victim of sexual assault in my early 20's, and who was not able to report it because of the time in our history (1970's) when women were made to be to blame in any kind of courtroom situation, I just want to put my arms around these young women and hold them and let them cry and help them heal. I have a daughter who had a bad experience and I went to bat for her and I made sure that the father of the boy who assaulted her knew that I would NOT stand down. We need to raise our daughters to understand that they do NOT have to put up with inappropriate touching or suggestive language from any man. We also need to raise our sons (as I did) to respect women and treat them with respect. We need to make sure they know that because they are male, they are NOT entitled to do as they wish or say what they wish to ANY woman.

[@hockeygirl8506]

This definitely needs to be told. It will destroy the IBLP. These women are so courageous.

[@DitzyDorisAnn]

Thank you Katie❤. I hope you know how important it is that you report on this. It's been very difficult for me. My worst memory was having my mother ask me if I knew why she hit me. The only response allowed was " Because you love me". I resented it then and still to this day. Just when I think I'm over it, it all comes right back. She had her reasons, but it doesn't make it right. Anyway thank you Katie❤

[@casandrareed777]

"We live in a world where the truth has become fiction." -Katie Joy Having the power to communicate ones own perspective and your voice is empowering. This denial is a political, social, and economic tool used to continue marginalizing and exploiting so many communities throughout history and even now. I'm so glad you highlighted this aspect. I was really moved by your episode today. I look forward to listening and learning from these strong survivors.

[@singamajigy]

@Katie, you are on fire lately! Thank you for your passion and hard work in bringing this to our attention. Keep fighting the good fight and evil can be defeated.

[@cherylcarroll7916]

Katie, the authorities absolutely have to be following this. To those strong ladies who are standing up for truth & what’s right, hold your heads up high. You have many supporters! Thanks Katie for posting this.

[@LisaRent]

Abuse in church needs to continue to be exposed. It doesn’t matter what denomination it is; all abuse needs to be exposed. I’m a former student of IBLP. I’m a solid Christian. And the abuse I see (mostly in articles by Roys Report) in churches today is still being covered up, lied about, denied. And victims / survivors are often vilified, shunned, and worse. Abusers are often praised and seen as the victim. I still go to church because I find it an act of worship but my eyes are open and I call out any abuse I see.

[@luv2travel2000]

👍😍 🛐

[@kristagerry8505]

I'm so grateful to be part of an amazing church that supports SA victims! It has even started SA recovery classes led by a victim who recently recalled her own past abuse, having never told anyone, not even her husband! But they are all healing and helping others heal!

[@sharonbrown6595]

Omg. I love it. Sure didn’t happen for me at church. So I think that’s fantastic

[@kristagerry8505]

@Sharon Brown it's amazing 👏! It is called On the Threshold of Hope: Opening the door to healing for SA survivors. It is led by a survivor! From what I've heard, it's powerful and intense.....I pray you have healing and closure for your own experience 🙏 I can't say I understand as I've never had such an experience but I have deep empathy for all victims 💔

[@sharonbrown6595]

@@kristagerry8505 you know it’s all because of Katie joys podcast as for years I hated myself thinking I did something to cause this. Why me out of all the girls. That is what I though. I am going to watch this for sure if I get the chance. I want all women to look in the mirror and say I love you. Out loud and it sure helped me. My second hubby was so good to me. And I was saying I want to get bigger boobs and get my tummy off and skin flaps off under my arms. He said to me if you got all that done would you be happy ? The answer was no. Then he said you r sexy to me and I love you for you not the one in your mind, your perfect to me and in my eyes, when he said that I thought wtf why am I thinking this way. And he was the one that said to me say I love you out loud in the mirror so I started that. It sure helped me out. Never had that surgery because like he said get panties with tummy control the boobs r ok and the flappy arms get tops with control where the arms r. And he was right…… he was 5’2” tall and bald and he said well I would love to be 6 ‘ and have a huge head of hair but I can’t so I accept and krista I found myself saying don’t change a thing I love you the way you r. So we have to love ourselves and healing will start. Thanks for your comment to me. Be healthy safe but most of all happy

[@kristagerry8505]

@@sharonbrown6595 glad you found peace and healing 🙏

[@HBudianu]

Jesus Christ is the Hero and Healer ❤

[@lindseybrindel5497]

Katie, I have to share with you that I worked as a conference host at the University of Tennessee for the summer of 2000. Every year, ATI would host their annual conference at UT Knoxville. As a conference host I worked as basically an RA (resident assistant) where we hosted families to stay in our student housing. I clearly remember meeting the Duggars, although they were not famous yet, they stood out by the sheer number of kids they had. Every family had a minimum of 6-8 kids, all dressed the same. I worked the front desk, answering questions, distributing campus maps, assisting with needs like bedding, towels, etc. If you ever wish to chat further, please reach out!

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Thanks for your insight! Feel free to reach out to me on Instagram or Facebook

[@clementine77]

I went to a Bill Gothard conference at my church in Knoxville in the 1989. I remember wondering why this conference was so expensive for just a booklet and watching a video all week. I felt the Gothard umbrella of protection was just an excuse for husbands to rule over their family in a patriarchal way. I'm glad this video exposes the truth and thankful that some of the Dugger girls are sharing their story in love. Jesus is our only hope, and I pray that people will repent from legalism and find true freedom in a relationship with God thru Jesus. I hope you have been set free too and are following Jesus. Blessings❤

[@lylameri9082]

I look forward to seeing the brave survivors speak out.

[@ErinFindsHerWay]

OMG! Knoxville resident and UT grad here! I think what’s crazy is I was going to summer school and didn’t know these things were on campus and I lived in an apartment on Laurel Ave. and 17th street. Lived in this area 32 years and didn’t know anything until an ex-IBLP member said “there’s this conference at UT in Knoxville every year.” This is a conservative place and I was a freaking news reporter. Seriously? Are they under an invisibility tarp? But I saw a thing last summer about a woman talking about going to UT every summer and in her current career she went back for a work thing. And she said she walked into Thompson-Boling Arena and realized how far she had come. It makes me sad to think about that, because I think of that as a place where I go to basketball games, concerts, and where I graduated college and my stepsister graduated. It’s sad that there are women who will never know what it’s like to get s college degree or be at a university like that and attend college. But I know the university makes a pretty penny off those conferences. Sorry for the ramble.

[@Constantin9va]

@@ErinFindsHerWay woah I know people who work there and this is disgusting, but sadly I’m not surprised.

[@christiejensen1606]

Bill Gothard makes my skin crawl. I’m glad the victims of Bill Gothard are speaking up.

[@TrollAlert-xv6qg]

Bill Gotard or bill Cosby whose worse

[@makeitmakesense7216]

These poor woman. My heart breaks for them. It’s horrific enough to be abused, but to then be shunned is devastating. We SEE you. We HEAR you. We BELIEVE you.❤❤❤

[@Anaana-jl5kg]

Thank you there are MANY of us who can’t get justice.

[@lorraineearle5967]

Apparently, it's not just the AUB that practices 'shunning' it's also the IBLP. Poor Jill and all of these other victims. Thanks for bringing this to light, Katie! ❤

[@coralieelliott2076]

also the JW's

[@lorraineearle5967]

@@coralieelliott2076 Do you mean the Jahovia Witness?

[@coralieelliott2076]

@@lorraineearle5967 yes

[@powderandpaint14]

It's a particular feature of cults and it makes people more scared to leave.

[@user-iw2zw6ws2v]

Everyone has known for years about the psychology of a cult. KJ's overdramatized versions seem extra palatable for the stupider among us but its not like she's putting out new, fresh information. But I guess bootlicking makes some people feel better about themselves. Shoot, maybe if you kiss up to her KJ will let you party with her while she ignores her kid.

[@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt]

I'm a SA victim and my mom believed and me help. My abuser paid the price for a hat he did. I can't imagine the trauma victims like this don't get believed or helped. My heart breaks for anyone who's been though this.

[@serenaviolante917]

I was abused for 5 years and my Life Is ruined Forever... Not having Justice makes u feel Like your Life doesnt have value...

[@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt]

@@serenaviolante917 I'm so sorry you never got justice. That's not right. My heart is with you and hope you find a way to heel. .

[@serenaviolante917]

@@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt you know..."why u didnt report earlier " and other rubbish ...what can I do ,i suffer everyday because I was also brainwashed and abused financially so I truly understand what Jill passed tru. I Hope at least She Will get what She deserves

[@pollsfriend]

It’s horrific. I’m sorry you went through this. I listened to a podcast today featuring one of the women names in the lawsuit and she did say they felt heard and vindicated when Gothard basically countersued for emotional distress. He lost, but so far that’s all they’ve gotten.

[@Anaana-jl5kg]

@@serenaviolante917😢 Oh hun PLEASE try your best not to feel that way: 1) GO GET THERAPY 2) FIND SOMETHING to enjoy about life every day (even just sitting outside.. try horse back riding it’s very empowering and brings great peace) 3) ITS never to late to make your voice heard even if not able to win in court❤️❤️❤️❤️It’s very painful to come forward and you NEED a strong supportive friend OR therapist to see you through. Please take care of your heart YOU ARE worthy WE CARE!❤❤❤❤

[@margaretpacki3891]

This gets crazier and crazier! So sad for everyone caught up in this mess!

[@sacredhope4731]

So proud of all these women and everyone involved in this independent film. May the truth spread far and wide💫🕊️

[@TrishF_2024]

Thank you Kati for shining a light on this cult and others. What a betrayal these women have been through. I will be watching this new show. I watched Shiny Happy People and was disgusted. I too am a survivor, not from these churches but , nonetheless, a victim by more than one. It is lifelong and I too have gaps in my memory. I wish nothing but the best for those affected. You are doing fantastic work! Thank you

[@angiedavisson3243]

One of the most important jobs as a parent is to protect our children from abuse of any kind AND to be an advocate in the proper road to healing with the use of professionals.

[@Chrissy85308]

I wasn't in the IBLP growwing up but I was a victim for 10 years. I cried watching the women in the group affirming each others statements and it put me back in my first group in 1997. I pray this helps them as much as I was helped. I gained a freedom I never knew existed and a confidence in myself that I didn't think was possible. I pray for the these women that their families pull their head out of the sand. These women are heroes in my book!🏆💜

[@aprile5209]

I don’t care what area a group exists in (religion, police, government, school, etc), blind obedience and a lack of questioning is a recipe for disaster. Always question what you're told, stand up for yourself, and don’t feel you need to do whatever someone in authority tells you to do. I hope this film helps people realize this is an option.

[@TheTweetybird1122]

Bravo

[@barb-jm7990]

Those poor women. None of these women did any wrong, but people are attempting to victimize them again for speaking up. And, I do know that what happened will never leave them. As a six-year-old, a dentist locked me in an exam room with him and attempted a SA. I was a loud child and began to scream for my mother who was horrified to find he had locked the door. She got me out of there and reported him to the dental association. But, I have never forgotten how scared I was at being locked in the room with that man who attempted to get on top of me. It never leaves you and you never totally trust again.

[@Dragonfly33]

I am so sorry that happened to your little six year old self. You’re right, it never really leaves you.

[@barb-jm7990]

PS- That dentist also chased me when I wiggled out of the dental chair, grabbed me, hit me, and screamed "shut up" as I was trying to get out of the locked door. On a lighter note, my 4-year-old brother's response to the dentist continuing to yell at me in the waiting room to "shut up" was to look up at the dentist and say, "YOU shut up!"

[@Tina06019]

@@barb-jm7990 Good for your brother!

[@lorifoster6777]

I remember as a teen, I went through Gothard’s seminar, Basic Youth Conflicts, as did my whole family and many in our church. I’m so grateful for having a dad who was a real man and a true man. Around that time when I was a teenager, my dad told me that he Han authority over me, unless his direction to me was illegal or immoral or perpetuated a lie. He would have believed me if I had an experience like these women had. Bless these women and may they know that there are people who do believe them!

[@Lisabug2659]

Your channel is evolving in a most positive direction. Report your research, facts, no biased. No external distractions. Your reporting is much more important than face time. Keep up the good work.

[@user-iw2zw6ws2v]

How so? What KJ doesn't overdramatize she outright lies about. How exactly is her channel moving in a positive direction?

[@princessoffire1107]

​@@user-iw2zw6ws2v If you feel that way, why are you here? Why are you purposefully searching for and finding a positive post just to write something derogatory? Is your life so pathetic that in order for you to feel better about yourself, you have to tear someone else down? I feel sorry for you. Not that you'd care, because in order for you to care, there must be a certain level of redeeming characteristics... you just proved you're lacking and I'm not one to expect miracles 😊

[@pbcaylor1796]

These women are A MAZ ING. It’s terrifying to “tell” that these things happened and all the more when the the abuser is - not only named - but is known internationally. It’s truly horrifying to realize that for every ONE who came forward and told what the monster did, there are several more who have NOT told about Gothard’s abuse.

[@annhett]

It makes me sick that people are allowed to under educate their children because of religious freedom.

[@Smileyson58]

It’s child abuse

[@golightly5121]

Government schools are better?

[@absinthemindedJ]

​@Go Lightly are you kidding me? 😳

[@eagle-eye29]

Government schools? Says so much about you.

[@golightly5121]

@@eagle-eye29 : they are not government schools? You not knowing that says a lot about you.

[@jadedwolf306]

I started to cry when the gentleman was talking about it’s for life. The trauma I went through at 5 started to resurface when I was 15 in my dreams. It wasn’t until I was 16 did I have partial memory of what happened to me. I couldn’t remember who did it to me for many years. It took finally finding the right councilor to help me remember!! I am now 44 and still have sever PTSD from it. It will never go away!! I have learned tools to help when the PYSD attacks happen. Im so proud of these women for standing up and speaking the truth of what happened to them!! All the h**l they have gone through I can’t even imagine!! They are so brave and I wish them all the best life has to give them!!

[@karenmclean2375]

I can so relate to you. I'm now 65, and the PTSD you describe does lessen eventually. It hasn't gone away completely, but most days I can function. Many years of therapy and asking 'what is normal' have helped me. Hang in there!!❤

[@jadedwolf306]

@@karenmclean2375 lately die to recent events in my life it’s come all up and close to the surface. Yes, mostly I don’t have to deal with it but I also have PTSD for other abuse reasons too. And big hugs to you!! Keep your chin up sweetie!!

[@katem2411]

Thank you Katie for shining the spotlight on this. I hope this film is able to raise enough money to finish filming and to get picked up by a major streaming service. I'm grateful that the victims of abuse are starting to be able to speak out, get help and heal. I was abused and SA'd, and it left lasting damage. My family didn't didn't want to hear about it. Throw religion on top of that culture of denial, and it can become 1000x more toxic. And to all the christians/evangelicals/homeschoolers feeling attacked - give your head a good hard shake and quit with the cries of persecution (you're the majority, you're not being persecuted). If hearing about this kind of abuse from people who have lived it is triggering you or making you feel attacked, maybe that's because you know that your belief system/practices play a part in or play into this kind of abuse, oppression and exclusion.

[@tg5275]

This trailer is triggering. I am so furious at the families and friends of these women who didn't want to validate and hear their stories. I am so pissed off they went through this!

[@peggyhill7283]

@WACB.....Katy, thank you for bringing this film to our attention! I applaud the victims for telling their stories, the film makers, & Jill Duggar. I saw "Shiny People too." Gothard has NEVER been married, nor had children! Why any parent would handover their daughters/(or sons), to someone like this is beyond me. It also ticks me off how people use God to insert their will onto others. I'm glad these cults & so-called families are being called out! Thank you once again, Katy.

[@kathykoester3767]

When I told my Mother about the sexual abuse I endured as a child she did not once ask me how I was. How was I dealing with the ramifications of remembering such a horrific event. She instead began to tell me how ill my abuser was and that he had nearly died. 😢

[@katrinaoliver4167]

🤬

[@josi4251]

I'm so sorry that you did not receive any support or empathy from your mother -- the one person who should have been there for you. I hope that you have found a path to healing because you are worth it. Your abuser was a very damaged and sick person, and your mother is damaged in her own way as well. Please know that other women (and men) out here send you love and light.

[@stacisokol438]

My own Mother knew and still did nothing as well! I believe in your heart and I’m sending you Love, light and prayers. You are STRONG, BEAUTIFUL and YOU DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE❣️🥰🌺

[@katem2411]

I'm so sorry 🫂 My mum just brushed me off with "don't be silly x would never do anything like that" She knew. She just didn't want to hear and be inconvenienced, so she silenced me. It makes me sick that so many parents did the same or worse.

[@jc6800]

She said to me, "You never told me." And "You're the one that always wanted to go over there."

[@Missdeeee]

These women’s testimonies and hopefully healing is heart breaking. If anyone from the video is reading this I love you sister! ❤

[@janicemichaloski5292]

Katie thank you so much for doing these videos and helping to bring awareness to these things ❤

[@makeitmakesense7216]

Thanks for bringing this to us. As a avid watcher from Australia, it’s not as easy to find out about these groups, or about these projects. I grew up in a BIG catholic family, school church the whole package. I was lucky enough to have fabulous head priest and nuns. What first turned me away from organised religion was the hypocrisy of the parishioner’s, family included. Of course as more and more abuses have come to light over past decades it’s only made me sure I made the right choice. ❤

[@tonicutrone8640]

This whole concept of their”church” gives me the creeps. 😮

[@carolfulton-kennedy2482]

Bravo, bravo, bravo to all these courageous women 🩶👏🏻 For them to not be believed by their families is both shocking and despicable!! Their families should hang their heads in shame 🤬 Thankyou for telling us KJ 💜

[@cateharding]

As a parent it is very difficult to look back and see how the choices you made hurt your children. I get that. I know that to admit to yourself that something you thought you were doing for good actually harmed your child. To admit to yourself that you have harmed your child is scary and overwhelming. That can be completely shattering to who you believe that you are and the parent would have to rebuild who they have believed themselves to be. They must also realize that their child's world was also shattered. But I don't understand how a parent can just completely disbelieve and furthermore blame their child.

[@teamcougars]

I’m really looking forward to film that will totally scorch Gothard👏🏼👏🏼 I’m hoping that you will keep us updated on the status and where we will be able to watch it ❤❤

[@annielyst]

wow! Glad these women are able to share their experiences and get help. Keep going, Katie! I went to Gothard conference in the 1970's. (I threw away the red notebook several years later.) The conference went for many hours over a few days as I recall. People in the Baptist church I went to and other related Baptist circles would quote Gothard like they were quoting the Bible. Thankful to God that He got me out of that. It stirs things up hearing these episodes.

[@pamz7531]

I’m not a Christian, but I have been to weddings in Catholic and other Christian churches. And I remember leaving a wedding with my husband and we were both appalled by the sermon. And now, thanks to Katie, I understand what it was all about. Poor women.

[@rebeccabarrand5132]

What was the sermon saying?

[@pamz7531]

@@rebeccabarrand5132 Hard to remember the whole thing, but the gist of it was that women were responsible for the bad acts of their husbands. Like cheating. Women should be there for their husbands when ever.....

[@breannmariegrissom6661]

I grew up in the IFB and it was the same thing. Men rule, women and kids have no value. It’s so sad

[@pinkyblessed2218]

IBLP was NOT in EVERY church. What a wildly inappropriate statement. I never heard of it in our church. I first heard of it on the Duggar’s show. Once I heard of it there I knew it was something to steer clear of wholeheartedly!

[@powderandpaint14]

I don't think she said it was in every church did she? She said it spread to many Baptist churches.

[@TheTweetybird1122]

21:00 we don't know how wide spread the sharing of IBLP was because of the conferences. Do you know if any of your church pastors attended these conferences? It's possible the info was shared in a way you wouldn't know it was iblp

[@danderson5755]

Growing up in the Baptist church that I went every one that gothard was a nut job.

[@retrostephanie1]

I'm on the second episode of shiny happy people and I don't know how much more I can take. I grew up going to Bill Gotthard Seminars and grew up in churches with people like this and corporal punishment and I'm having major ptsd and remembering things I've suppressed. I'm only a minute into this video. I'll have to wait and see if I can get through it.

[@hillaryspillman1553]

Your statement “this made perfect victims” is POWERFUL! Thank you Katie Joy. The unraveling of this sick indoctrination will be a long road. I’m so glad this is all coming to the forefront.

[@layneyancey4619]

Religion also destroyed my life. Recovery is HARD work. I have new memories that resurface all the time and its terrifying. Who knows what else I blocked out??? I hope my old friends and family watch this. Maybe they will finally understand, I'm not overreacting. Thank you again Katie for using your platform to help survivors.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Hugs

[@layneyancey4619]

Thank you for everything you do! ❤️

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Thank you for sharing and being here

[@valeriemoran842]

Layne Young: Thank you for your bravery in sharing your story. Every time someone speaks up, it let's others know they are not alone.

[@RebeccaLunsford-qe2kt]

What happened is evil and these women are extremely brave for sharing their stories. I know how hard it is to share stories of SA. Like I said I got the help victims need.I pray this is helping them. By them specking out and sharing their pain these women are helping to inspire others. Thank you so much to these incredible women for doing this. I hope by telling your stories it will help you to continue to heel. But also know you are helping other victims.

[@Julia-si2lz]

Thank you so much, Katie. I so appreciate you!

[@triciabrown1462]

My heart breaks for these women. And to have your families side with your abusers? In the name of religion? I was raised Catholic and am no longer practicing. I honestly can’t think of any religion that doesn’t include cult-like corruption.

[@aaguilar1962]

Truth is coming out love it. My heart are with these women

[@ngulubeprincess5009]

I always wonder why Gill Bates isn't equally held accountable as the Duggars

[@Yvone0707]

Good point

[@debbiescott6836]

It’s ALL the MEN who are in this CULT that are dangerous and evil!!! The most wicked man can put up an act to fool everyone!!! They are of Satan and NOT OF GOD!!! They may THINK they are god…….. BUT, they are Satans right hand men!!

[@dottiehazlip8170]

Neither are being held accountable.

[@debbiescott6836]

@@dottiehazlip8170 EXACTLY!!! That needs to change!!! Hopefully, the docu series opens doors, for them to be punished for what they have done!! There is such a deep darkness in that CULT!! It is EVIL and CORRUPT and there needs to be laws that FORBID and PUNISH this type of lifestyle!!

[@shelleywilliams8201]

Has Gill Bates done something wrong as in with holding information from the police about a crime or abuse towards a child? I am legitimately asking. I know he has a big family, is in the same belief system under Gorhard, etc. I just have not heard of abuse of any kind going on in his family. Gill always seemed a little more laid bk and less controlling to Kelly and his children. In my opinion. I don't feel Kelly would go along with the things Michelle has. I could be easily wrong about that though.

[@susannapichula9947]

I was told by a young girl that we as female should be embarrassed when we have our monthly cycle and i asked why?? This young girl couldn't tell me why, I told her that i'm not embarrassed that i get my cycle because this is how God created my body and it has a cycle every month. My husband and I our teaching our children about the human anatomy and that there is a difference between girls and boys. My husband and I are strong Christians and God sees females and Males on the same level. Females are not below men.

[@josi4251]

For those who can spare a few bucks, please consider helping support this worthwhile film project. As a survivor of a different but equally damaging cult, I feel compelled to assist these filmmakers. While the evangelical cult in which I grew up did not sexually abuse anyone that I know of, the fear-based religiosity shaped my early life. Thank heavens we live in an age where dark corners of the world are being exposed to the light.

[@TrollAlert-xv6qg]

I don’t have a few bucks

[@hannahrose7930]

What these women went through is heartbreaking. I pray more and more people will find the courage to speak. I will support Jill by buying her book. I wish authorities would investigate Duggar family I am sure there more hidden secrets.

[@gottabme]

It would surprise me greatly if there were NOT more skeletons in their closet...

[@reneebergman714]

Thank you so much Katie for all the research and exposing these people who are doing horrific things to women and children. It literally makes me sick to my stomach so that I find myself looking for something cheerful online to kind of erase that horrible feeling. Ugh they are so gross!

[@nicalenachidley9478]

Oh my goodness! I don't know how I missed this when you posted it! Just watched it now. So heartbreaking yet hopeful for the thousands of victims! Thanks for covering this

[@amde8554]

I’m so glad this documentary is going to touch on the impact to the brain for trauma victims, I can tell this will be tough to watch

[@britt518]

I have followed Dan Allender for years. His work is phenomenal. He is doing excellent work with trauma and faith. Thank you for sharing.

[@Kathleen_Theriault]

This is perfect timing. A friend has just told me if her experience with Baptist churches that subscribed to the teachings of the IBLP, and that was a real eye opener for me. I had no idea!

[@YvonaLive4Love]

Unfortunately this is too common with so many cults even JWs Mormon FLDS Scientology the Amish etc one thing they all have in common is the men rule the women serve and obey ! And children have no voice 💔

[@cherylolsen493]

This is so sad but these women need to be believed. They suffered so much it’s time for them to tell their truth.

[@natashaw401]

Really like all the research and all info u share

[@michelldell319]

You have been shooting at the bulls eye, all long. That's why I love your channel. Thank you Katie for your deep dives. It isn't just in the Christian faith, it's in things like the Olympics, like where the one lady that is fighting for these women. Any place that girls are in the public eye, they I bet are in the same train of thought

[@ocean4152]

My dad was a pastor and missionary from a small town in Puerto Rico and used some of his teachings. As an adult I worked as a teacher in Calvary Christian Academy in Florida, we taught ATI to children as young as two years old. The iblp influenced many

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

So many. It’s awful

[@beccalcsw]

BRAVO for spotlighting this! You spoke to it beautifully! I am super interested in this documentary! Just donated at link you provided. Thx!

[@Vikki4054]

Thank you for sharing this! I’ve been wondering about the other projects regarding this topic that you have alluded to. It’s wonderful that someone had the insight to do this type of documentary. They have a great website. I’ve just donated. (I, also, have no affiliation. I just wanted to help) I look forward to when they reach their goal and can release this amazing, important project.

[@kimkrebs451]

Katie, thank you so much for sharing this. It is so sad that these women where so hurt by someone calls church or of “God”. I hope that they’ve found the help that they have needed.

[@sarahyoder-xd1ep]

Thank you for sharing

[@amandam9012]

This is awesome. More truth comes out. Thank you for sharing this too.❤❤

[@perstephanies]

I'm so glad you continue to cover this cult I hope we see you soon, but no rush. Take your time and take care ❤

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

Thank you, I will

[@alexandrawalker6696]

Thank you for all your hard work 💞

[@Skyandoceans]

I'm 27, and I come from a Spanish Baptismal church in Canada. I have been exposed to ritualistic abuse within my own family, and family friends within the church, with memories extending as far from 3 till 15, that involve many blacked out recovered memories being retrieved, through intense silent meditation retreats, and time. I feel heard, and I hope this all stops one day. It's not only fathers, but mothers who partake in this abuse as well.. It's terrifying how many people I can just sense something is based off how they carry themselves nowadays. This cult is getting out of hand. & I hope those who will raise the next generation find help in order to stop the cycle from ever happening. Stay strong everybody!

[@pattimurphy1283]

It would be AMAZING if this director were able to get Dr. Nadine Burke Harris to discuss ACES. She’s a world leader in understanding the long term impact of trauma during development.

[@ambermchugh9381]

I've always thought that Gothard, as bad as he is) is just the tip of the iceberg. You know there are way more men and boys like Josh out there, with the misogyny and the unreasonable purity culture it just breeds these type of stories

[@mimichapman6210]

I watched the Amazon series and started to do some googling of the people interviewed. I have watched some KZbin videos of yours in the past but what I came across made me respect so much what you do . I barely missed coming into the evangelical mess when I was in high school back in th early seventies. I met some really sweet warm Christians and wanted to be like them . I asked Jesus to come into my life and I participated in worship with these people for about six weeks. People spoke in tongues and healings etc. And I never objected but when I was informed that I was not really communicating directly with Jesus but that men did it for me I Was Done.

[@gottabme]

Whatever turns us toward God, is OF God. What causes us to turn away from Him, is UNgodly.

[@Juddfanimly]

Triggering but enlightening . Thanks for covering this.

[@abbeydolan5873]

Katie, you have such insight, and the amount of info you find through your sources and research is incredible. Watching Shiny Happy People, there was not much I had not already heard because I follow you. You are a voice for the voiceless. And you report really important topics. Thank you for also helping me to see what was wrong about my own upbringing - I grew up in a conservative Evangelical SBC church. Awful effects it had on me, my sisters, and my friends.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

I’m so sorry you were hurt in this world too. But glad you’ve found a place where you feel seen

[@kimsandel8099]

Incredible sad what an entire mess Learn so much from you Katie appreciate everything you do

[@impkitty]

My heart hurts so deeply for these women, and people.

[@mrsangelafisher]

That short clip already has me wanting to see it. I hope that this will get through to a ton more people so changes can finally be made. Save the kids! Heart shredding to hear just this small amount feom these woman. 😢

[@TheTweetybird1122]

Thank you Katie, for keeping me so well informed before SHP. Looking forward to this new documentary.

[@mariak3352]

Katie, thank you for mentioning that there are IBLP members in different churches. There was a preacher in Cuyahoga Falls Ohio named Ernest Angley. I had classmates that went to his church. His preachings were similar to Bill Gothard. He had his own TV program. I remember growing up and he was very creepy on TV. He was anti LGBQ+... Later it came out that he was abusing men in the church. He had his own restaurant that he didnt pay wages to his employees. A murder that occured at his cathedral buffet. There is so much cover up with this guy. Anyone, look him up. He was an awful person

[@staceygill2394]

Wow….I can’t believe I came across this comment….I remember being 16 years old and I was invited to see a “play” at “his” church called The Rapture….it still scares me to this day and I’m in my late 40’s….as soon as I walked in that building I had bad vibes….my friend’s mom’s family was very involved in “the church”, they used to drive hours to get there and never missed a service for anything. All Earnest ever talked about was end times and how everyone should give all their money to him because they wouldn’t need it🤦🏼‍♀️So culty it was scary. The buffet is a whole other story….her mom would miss her own family holiday dinners to “volunteer” at the buffet.

[@mariak3352]

@staceygill2394 yes. Im in my early 40s. Your comment is spot on! I remember him hitting people on the head and he would tell them to they were healed. He was an evil person! I went to school with the sister of the girl that was murdered at his "buffet" he was never held accountable for allowing that man to be around that poor girl. Thank you @staceygill2394 for your response!

[@helenedeslauriers3983]

Your work is so important Katie!

[@catiefast942]

Sounds like it will be a great documentary. I can't wait to see it.

[@rachelannbarkley2329]

They are speaking for us all. Thank you for truly listening and believing.

[@user-cn4cp4jt3v]

I was raised in a fundamentalist Baptist church/school. We had to wear long skirts, dresses or culottes ALL of the time. I wasn’t allowed to go to movies and I wasn’t allowed to watch a lot of tv. A lot of the families I knew in the church had 5-10 kids each. In school, you were good because the parents signed over the right for the principal to spank you with a plastic swing with holes in it! I remember that there was a teacher that worked part time job on the weekends at a fast food place. One of the leaders of the church/school went thru the drive thru, saw her wearing pants and then had her fired the following week. Back then, I didn’t know that this wasn’t normal, this was my life. It’s just crazy when I watched “Shiny Happy People” cuz I lived it. I’m SO thankful that my kids weren’t a part of that life like I was. I can only thank God that I’m not still in that.

[@marietate1915]

Spot on Katie, spot on!!!

[@britt518]

You’re exactly right that the IBLP was in so many churches. There were some friends at a Baptist church who were part of it. I knew another friend who was an Assembly of God member and was part of it. Conservative parts of the Seventh-Day Adventist that homeschooled were sometimes part of it. My husband grew up conservative Baptist and was heavily influenced by IBLP teachings. It is hard to digest and not take it as an attack but as Christians we have to take a hard look at what damage has been done and how we can move forward to heal and bring healing.

[@melinehhacopians1184]

Yay catching up on your videos! Hope youre feeling better!

[@cazfloss1990]

Why would anyone take advice on marriage and raising children from someone who’s never been married or had children?

[@sharihazlett3774]

This is just so disturbing . I hope they get the funding. It is very important to get the message out

[@FlowerChild65]

I'll definitely watch. It'll be interesting to learn more about them and their stories. Emily Elizabeth Anderson is also one of the women who was involved in this lawsuit. She was in the Amazon doc.

[@MysticmoonmediaLLC]

This is an amazing project and a truth that needs to be told. The problem still is that there are not enough of these type of documentaries. True and honest documentaries. People need to hear these truths… and they need to hear them over and over and over again.

[@kimcentofanti2694]

Excellent job Katie

[@onnalexseeias]

Thank you for exposing truth 🙏