The Expanse Aftershow Season 5 Episode 4 - Wes Chatham, Ty Franck, Shohreh Aghdashloo, and Dan Nowak

All hail Queen of the Earth herself on this installment of The Expanse Aftershow! Shohreh Aghdashloo aka Chrisjen Avasarala and EP & Writer Dan Nowak join Wes Chatham and Ty Franck to discuss what convinced Shohreh to join The Expanse, Amos' survival instincts, and Under Siege (1992) references. Tune in weekly after each episode of The Expanse as Ty & That Guy dive into the development, behind-the-scenes anecdotes, and easter eggs of Season 5.

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About The Expanse:
The disappearance of rich-girl-turned-political-activist Julie Mao links the lives of Ceres detective Joe Miller (Thomas Jane), accidental ship captain James Holden (Steven Strait) and U.N. politician Chrisjen Avasarala (Shohreh Aghdashloo). Amidst political tension between Earth, Mars and the Belt, they unravel the single greatest conspiracy of all time.
About The Expanse Seasons 2:
In this noir thriller set two hundred years in the future, the case of a missing young woman leads a washed-up detective across the solar system to uncover the greatest conspiracy in human history.
About The Expanse Seasons 3:
As the Rocinante crew digs deeper into the search for Prax's missing daughter, the war between Earth and Mars turns deadly in ways the solar system has never seen. But a new threat in the outer reaches of the Belt could prove much more dangerous, threatening to test the very future of humanity.
About The Expanse Seasons 4:
Season 4 of The Expanse, its first as a global Amazon Original, begins a new chapter for the series with the crew of the Rocinante on a mission from the U.N. to explore new worlds beyond the Ring Gate. Humanity has been given access to thousands of Earth-like planets which has created a land rush and furthered tensions between the opposing nations of Earth, Mars and the Belt. Ilus is the first of these planets, one rich with natural resources but also marked by the ruins of a long dead alien civilization. While Earthers, Martians and Belters maneuver to colonize Ilus and its natural resources, these early explorers don’t understand this new world and are unaware of the larger dangers that await them.
About The Expanse Seasons 5:
In different parts of the Solar System, the crew of the Rocinante and their allies confront the sins of their past, while Marco Inaros unleashes an attack that will alter the future of Earth, Mars, the Belt, and the worlds beyond the Ring.
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[@kawh8719]

Shohreh was another example of perfect casting.

[@derain95]

I'm so glad they don't have a "swear budget" like they had while I'm TV (s01-s03) She can be even more booklike now :D

[@icyman2]

Absolutely, brilliant and beautiful women!

[@KorbinX]

Absolutely. She is an amazing actress

[@mary-tk2is]

she is amazing!

[@TomOostenrijk]

She is just too goddamned elegant and sexy,

[@theena]

"Amos is only comfortable when the world is ending." Truer words.

[@mmb628jr2]

Churn sht

[@angztekindustries]

Humanity is at it's2 best when the Sky is Falling.

[@SuperRijul]

This is most probably the best show in the solar system right now. Ep4 has some real emotional moments.

[@dastels]

What do you mean "right now"? It's probably THE best I've seen.

[@silafuyang8675]

True.

[@sebfox2194]

Yeah, but our solar system is pretty small. If you go through the rings to other systems, then you can find better shows.

[@elias_xp95]

Oh jeez, wait until you guys get interdimensional cable

[@icyman2]

Shame it's ending so soon with season 6... We don't get to see full story. Here I was hoping at least 1 show doesn't get rushed/unfinished, like GoT or most others have.

[@Firenutz]

Best dialogue exchange of the entire episode: “Ma’am, this is Chef Casey on UN1.” “I know exactly who I f@#king called! You fattened me up on macaroons for years!” So glad Wes brought that up. LOVE these peeps as much as I love this show!

[@jamesdean8785]

Great people. Shame we have to watch one actor through the season (I personally fast forward through his scenes) but its so great Wes is now fronting these now instead. He’s a lovely chap and great take on Amos.

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

@@jamesdean8785 how do you watch any movies or TV shows? If your that sensitive to skip through "a certain characters scenes".. You wouldnt be able to watch hardly any movies or TV shows. Since this happens alot in the tv/film industry . Just can't imagine being so sensitive you can't seperate fiction and reality it's weird.

[@ADHDgrapher]

That easter egg was really good. The actor even had the hairstyle!

[@GottaloveMuse1]

@@xXSinForLifeXx Nah, the mentality of "it happens often so it doesn't matter that much" is fairly abhorrent.

[@snapdragon9300]

Hmm, macaroons. Hope she has a good dental plan.😁

[@michaelhall1422]

The star moment in 5.03 for me was when Amos (Wes) realized the genuineness of his mom's husband/lover. The look of real regret/compassion toward him...the hand moving to support the old man's arm...and the plea of his earlier offer of tea making everything better...Amos changed at that moment to do the right thing, even when everything is crap.

[@mmb628jr2]

Yeaa... he got most the anger out the way fighting the fuckers on the ship... that moment with the oldman, on top of everything he’s been through, he did a what would Holden Do, and it worked out.

[@lynettra7818]

Yeah it was a sweet moment that was still a little stilted. Like "there there"

[@DavidL-ii7yn]

Wes Chatham is an outstanding interviewer.

[@James-js2tr]

Can't get over how good this series looks - hats off to the cinematographer

[@Sirron7One3]

The entire team did amazing. Everything is so pin point.

[@tonywelch9829]

@@Sirron7One3 ft Hu Hu

[@haraldkaindl504]

True. Just so much better than The Mandalorian or ST:D.

[@Zacharysharkhazard]

@@haraldkaindl504 I love The Mandalorian and The Expanse for complete opposite reasons. Apples and oranges, friend.

[@DMX-du9mn]

@@haraldkaindl504 Hold on, mandalorian is very different from this one - I like the expanse much more, but mandalorian is also so awesome

[@Brydigan94]

So Amos is trapped underground in a prison with supervillans during an apocalypse? Oh this is going to be good!

[@SingWhileYouMay]

Queue someone quoting Rorschach.

[@stipe3124]

Good for Amos and bad for supervillans

[@rafaelsantosx]

And he hate waiting.

[@Darkest209]

All those poor prisoners trapped underground with Amos and Peaches.

[@Darkest209]

Am I the only one that wants a spin-off with Amos, Charissa, and Chrisjen?

[@cvtuttle]

Chrisjen Avasarala is one of my favorite characters of ALL time in any book and Shohreh Aghdashloo is SO amazing in this role. She is absolutely stunning to watch on screen and a fantastic actor. This is probably the best cast role in all of television.

[@uros.u.novakovic]

I just realized I had a huge grin on my face for 30 mins watching these people talk. Wes makes me thirsty. Shohreh is a legend and one hell of a woman. The entire cast and crew in this show is what I call the perfect combination for a project.

[@bleepbloop101010101]

I'm sad no one mentioned the fact that Fred Johnson thinks the safest place in the entire solar system to hide something is under his bed.

[@Jeaux_Ann]

Right?!

[@selja26]

When they found that sample Alex said "I sure as heck don't want to share a bunk with that" and then Fred went "I do!" lol

[@CanelaAguila]

I screamed at the screen when I saw that, so stupid

[@laurenanderson61]

Yeah, that was a disservice to the character.

[@GregoryWonderwheel]

LOL! Great way of framing how silly/stupid he turned out to be about this. But I did not see this as out of character for Fred.

[@drbuckley1]

Only Avasarala would know the name and have the number of a steward on UN One. That's real politicians do. They get to know "little" guys, too. Really brilliant storytelling.

[@caturdaynite7217]

The staff at the WH and AF one get to know the leaders as they serve them every day. They know their likes and dislikes. When to interrupt and when to leave them alone. And when the leaders term is up the staff stay behind as it is their job. The WH Chef comes to mind as well as the stewards on AF one. They get to know the leaders and see their human sides sans their political personas. Very well written in to the script. It's little touches like this that make this show excel at storytelling. It makes it seem more like a real environment that you immerse yourself in.

[@danbreen839]

Jennie Jerome, Churchill's mother had dinner with William Gladstone and Bejamin d'Israeli a week before a general election in the UK. She was a young woman. A journalist asked her about her opinion on both men "When I left the dining room after sitting next to Gladstone, I thought he was the cleverest man in England. But when I sat next to Disraeli, I left feeling that I was the cleverest woman."

[@danbreen839]

@Alex Smith Praising d'Israeli's social skills in contrast to Gladstone.

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

You fattened me up with macarons for years!

[@MemequisitorDominus]

Wes Chatham is my favorite actor in the series, and its really awesome to see how much he loves the story telling of the show. You can tell this isnt some scripted event, he actually is interested in the world and story and that translates into some amazing scenes for us to see :)

[@OrGaZmO666]

I love that "Amos" is hosting these podcasts. He is in my top 3 characters and maybe even my number 1. I love hearing these behind the scenes insights and details. This is the best scifi series in decades!

[@robertwinslade3104]

This was one of the most thrilling episodes of TV I have ever seen! Everyone involved in the production of this show should feel proud of what they've achieved here. Plus, even as someone who has read the books, this episode threw some curveballs which were able to surprise me and leave me guessing about where they may be heading with this

[@tracymetherell8744]

As I book reader I appreciated that as well! I a. Sorry they killed Fred in a different way though. I was ready for his trip on the Roci.

[@nicdieterle8950]

I was taken aback by some of the changes and had to keep telling myself, "they've done an excellent job of honouring the books so far and retelling the story in a different medium... it will pay off..." I really do have faith in this production... and I hate it when book fans get too attached to be able to respect changes made in retelling the story... but I was definitely reeling trying to figure out how those changes will have to lead to others. Deep breath... trust them, lol...

[@halohippe]

@@tracymetherell8744 yes, I was hoping for more Fred as I enjoy his character a lot.

[@clonedllama]

That's something I've loved about the series. While they're mostly adhering to the larger plot points and character arcs of the books, they shake things up in smart ways that throw everyone off guard. Sometimes it happens because of an earlier plot choice that they made. But when they make a choice, they commit to it, ripple effects and all.

[@acekeianar]

Amos: "Yea, but what was she wearing?" Holden: "... it's good to be back." *walks away*

[@mary-tk2is]

when he calls her Chrissy & she chastises him because she's an ambassador not a stripper Amos - "You could be both" 😂😂😂

[@kassistwisted]

I LOVED that line!!

[@begoodstick]

@@mary-tk2is my favorite line in the episode

[@russellmarra8520]

@@kassistwisted She didn't seem to mind either.

[@IngotAU]

​​@@mary-tk2is Love this! And it's "not your FAVORITE stripper" which is even funnier! 😂

[@mikedignum1868]

The Expanse is pure GOLD. It brings the books to life for me. I want a feature film IF they stopping after season six.

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

They definitely can't stop before Bobbie dies. I guess we'll know what they potentially have to work with when the last book comes out.

[@mrluke8264]

Yes exactly, A little Firefly treatment?

[@pooriataj5392]

@@politicallycorrectredskin796 Not all fans of this title are book readers do you realize that?

[@politicallycorrectredskin796]

@@pooriataj5392 That sounds like their problem, not mine. I don't see it as my job to keep the contents of published books a "secret".

[@auntielou3610]

Agree- look after Amazon let’s go of Bosch and Jack Ryan, not much there except maybe the wild 8. Amazon needs an anchor series to promote- with their global platform, they can blanket the market like HBO did with GOT. The Expanse fandom has huge upside.

[@bretthopper88]

Shohreh's gorgeous, as always.

[@nonenowherebye]

Hoping we get to see Cara Gee on one of these aftershows. She has done an amazing job with Drummer this season.

[@mary-tk2is]

She's amazing & one of my favorite characters

[@Isoweb1000]

yeah she is on the cast of episode 3 I think. Was a nice aftershow and she is really fun. Also our favorite villain is on that aftershow as well.

[@rosscamonster1597]

Drummer is one of my most favorite characters ever, especially after the end of season five.

[@NestorCaster]

She. Is. Awesome.

[@kassistwisted]

What an absolute gift to have Shohreh Aghdashloo in your cast. She is such a poised elder actor with such incredible insights into character and backstory. How wonderful it must be to work with her!

[@stipe3124]

What Avasarala showed to the audience is if there is a will there is a way, she knows the important information and she is sidelined but when situation needs it you must do everything that you can think of to bring that information to the right people, try all even if it fails, most of us don't do that. In the end she does succed in saving lives and giving information to right people who are listening to her in the end, she is almost like reverse Dukat, eternal politician who falls down but always goes up, maybe the example is not good but in Star Trek, Dukat has same sideline situations but gets up from it, difference is Dukat is a villan and Avasarala protagonist who is not perfect but is more good than bad

[@jeremycunningham7897]

Thanks guys - the expanse is hands down the best show on tv

[@tirnom]

Chrisjen Avasarala can't stop take care about Earth. Even lost her post she use all means to prevent the tragedy. She can't, but she tried. As a true patriot of his homeland. She is my favorite character in the books and in the show. She had reminded me Londo Mollari from Babylon 5: “You must surrender to the terrible to avoid the worst.”

[@gateauxq4604]

Kinda? At least she didn’t surrender herself to a cosmic darkness that destroyed everything, not directly at least. The protomolecule is like the Shadows if they never needed the younger races except as hosts and slaves. They did that too but they also made a deal with Londo. B5 💜!

[@bluerisk]

Well, her persistence saved millions of lives.

[@russellmarra8520]

I miss Londo. And G-kar.

[@Wubslin]

If this was the only show on Prime it'd still be worth subscribing.

[@edvardmunch6344]

I actually subscribed for the show, I used to download the episodes but I want to support it

[@jxn314]

The one dislike is from the Free Navy

[@orcasin112]

You'd think they'd like it. It was a big day for them.

[@ragglock]

Lol 😂

[@volkhen0]

Free Beltalowda!

[@rookiebeotch]

One is a triumph.

[@zariumsheridan3488]

That's from the crew of Zmeya'. BTW it means "snake" in Russian :)

[@alexandrealves3800]

Love every second!!! Pls give don't stop this show on season 6! Shohreh Aghdashloo was brilliant!

[@aliciaaltair]

Shohreh is even more magnetic and utterly delightful than the character she plays, which is really saying something!

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Chrisjen: "Chrissy? I am a politician, not your favorite stripper." Amos: "You could be both" Chrisjen:

[@laudecmccarthy4147]

I am sure Amos's character has been the only one to leave Chrisjen for a loss of words

[@RangerHouston]

I love these deep discussions about the show. You can really feel how much everyone is into and believes in what they are doing. I absolutely love it.

[@bhuvaneshs.k638]

THIS EPISODE WAS SO SO GOOD...... I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS EPISODE.... I didn't expect this 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 The Expanse Is Truly A Gem Of Scifi

[@mikefraser1294]

Amos's character is easy to sum up. He see's good people and bad people. He simply believes he's a bad person whos purpose is to protect good people.

[@ErickaWilliamsCC]

Bingo.

[@777LGF]

He is that guy.

[@elroysez8333]

This is perfect.

[@gerardovelazquez724]

hes one of the best fictional characters i have ever seen

[@JoX1231]

It is great because as you say you can boil his character down to simple ideas like this. But when you extrapolate those themes out it leads to such nuance in his character it's amazing! "I'm not going to let anyone hurt you"

[@toney001]

This is my favorite representation of the future that's ever made it to science fiction. I think it's the most human, and realistically accurate. I sincerely hope you guys get to finish the whole series to the last book. It's been a joy to watch

[@ali-dalloul]

This was the best episode of any show I've ever watched, completely mind blowing 😍😍

[@operator9858]

lol if you had read the books you would be saying its the biggest letdown of all time instead. the show pussied out on a historical level.

[@jmitchell3]

I love how much Wes seems to love the expanse and the filmmaking process. His enthusiasm shows for sure.

[@spearshaker7974]

Glad the show is still going. It’s one of the small pleasures I’ve had this year of despair.

[@pilotdawn1661]

I love this show. To all the creatives - THANK YOU SO MUCH. To Amazon - THANKS so much for going WEEKLY, making shows like this one possible. GROW THE FAN BASE!

[@SuperBumps]

Wes and Shohreh play my favourite characters on the show, so it's nice to discover that they are both intelligent, interesting, charming people too. Would be a great night chatting with these two.

[@nitrous91231]

That episode was the Greatest Televised Episode I have ever watched. I had to rewind the “Staff” moment because every sequence in the scene was amazing. The triumph of finally being heard, to instant shock and awe

[@jennymcelligott]

I was definitely freaking out my pets yelling no no no at the screen. Amazing episode!

[@slisser]

Shohreh is so amazing. Love her!!!

[@philmarston9078]

what an amazing episode people. that was brilliant.

[@1chrisford]

I really enjoy these sort of aftermath show because it is more "inside the episode, inside the season, inside the actors performance" - than some flamboyant host hysterically gushing all over the place about a show he just saw with a comic panel backing up his shouts and wired up act with canned jokes and laughter. (See Talking Dead, among others like it I could not stand after seeing 3 or 4 shows) This is about how art is made, how commercial decisions, collaborative inputs, editing much good material to make a better final product, happens. The insight of the showrunner, the writers, and actors absolutely adds to the pleasure. Their enthusiasm is infectious. Their careful casting, creation of scenes, and collaboration together of making this a superb character driven Sci Fi show, with solid individual arcs and solid overall story direction for 5 seasons is key to why I love this show so much. And Wes and Ty bring that out so well. And gems and Easter eggs galore! How friggin' good was the Bobby and her dead rat tale!! Just another bit of genius.

[@Persepolis-o2b]

This was the best, most gripping episode of any TV show ever. Even though I love Fred Johnson and Chad Coleman, the way he went out here was awesome.

[@kierankelleher007]

Show goes from strength to strength. 5.04 is outstanding. You guys are on a roll. Brilliant stuff.

[@zaynevanday142]

It cracked me up when Amos called Christian at the Docks for permission to visit Peaches Mao in Prison and calls her “Chrissy” lol even after She specifically told Amos not to lol no one tells Burton what to do ever ! Unless he wants to lol

[@xilaithownage2453]

I would just like to say that the Expanse is an awesome show. I read all the Corey books before the show came out. The outstanding character for me on the show who was totally multi dimensional was Shohreh Aghdashloo portrayal of Chrisjen Avasarala awesome acting from this beautiful Lady. Thank you.

[@SnazzyPuke]

I love how HUGE story beats happen almost halfway through the whole season. Such a great episode. Definitely one of my favorites of the series.

[@kenantahir]

The expanse is my fav show and it has been since the start. Now I have never seen Amos outside the expanse universe, so to see him act all normal, laugh and joke around so casually like the rest of us is literally quite disturbing (lol).. it goes to show what a convincing character he portrays.

[@TheSalatech]

Madam Aghdashloo is absolutely stunning woman. And her costumes and their design in the show are just mindblowing. I have been a fan since Mass Effect

[@lynncoles2476]

I got goosebumps when Shohreh is talking about stories that must be told! Wow

[@StargazerFS128]

Seasons one through 4 put this show on my all time greatest Sci-fi shows, season 5 is just Sci-fi nirvana.

[@martinwyke]

I think that Chrisjen did enjoy her power, but underlying that is a sense of duty, she genuinely believes she is the best person for that job, that she alone will make those difficult decisions and own them. I feel sure she is going is going to step up, I thought that would happen when she went into the busy lounge, that she would (will) get them organised and stop moping around and end up as the defacto military governor of UN forces off earth.

[@ragglock]

She is the direct mirror to Marcos if you Noticed, you might not agree with Marcos, but they are very similar to each other, remember crissy can be very ruthless to...

[@nesra8786]

This aftershow idea is brilliant, give that employee a raise! It`s a bummer that there is only one more season to make these for....

[@loveoffilm4327]

This episode was the Expanse version of the Red Wedding in that it was a tragic moment that will likely change the show's narrative forever.

[@vanessaroper3028]

Oh yes! Well said

[@justgivemethetruth]

GOT is children fairy tale play compared to the Expanse.

[@m.e.3862]

Very much a 9/11 episode. I had flashbacks when you see the stunned disbelief on Bobbie and Alex's faces. I remember that look on my coworkers faces that day

[@justgivemethetruth]

@@m.e.3862 That is an interesting comparison that did not even cross my mind, I was so busy being stunned that someone would think killing millions of innocent people and destroying part of humanity's home world like that would be something someone would actually do. I really have to hope that in the 24th century we have something better going on than terrorism and disaster capitalism.

[@lewhensilvar3521]

@@justgivemethetruth The series is. The books are good

[@MMAJE5]

Loved the flirtatiousness between Amos and Avasarala. Two very powerful people in their own way flirting with each other - what a high! Also, extremely attractive, "who wouldn't " stan that pair!

[@Awol991]

I really liked stompy the robot from the Savage corporation. I saw from the credits that there was some motion capture for that. Interesting.

[@shrapnelface5978]

When do we get a Stompy Christmas Special ?

[@russellmarra8520]

Considering that robots are already becoming a big part of our culture, it surprises me that there are no other robots on this series. I would have thought the Belt and Mars at least would be full of them.

[@matheuss886]

This episode was mind-blowing, probably one of my favorites all throughout the series so far! We've been blessed by the Season Finale of Mandalorian the other day but this is just another fucking level. Congratulations to all cast, crew and staff involved.

[@TheSpaceman332211]

The fans of this show know how great it is all round, the writing, acting, directing, cinematography, costumes, effects etc It's the best show on TV at the moment, the emmys/golden globes needs to recognise it. Plus it's the only reason I've amazon prime.

[@guigoroable]

only reason I've amazon prime -> same for me, and it's worth it :)

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

AMMMOOOOSSSS! I love this show! Honestly it just keeps getting better, it's a phenomenal Sci-Fi show and criminally underrated.

[@dj-kq4fz]

Great cast, and I love how Wes is obviously a fan of the show and not just a performer. Thanks!

[@ELCADAROSA]

Yes!!! I picked up on the Chef Casey bit as soon as I saw it in the episode! Well done!!!

[@MartinCHorowitz]

Enough powder puff interviews, when do you interview the protomolecule?

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Ask Quinn, he’s the only one with experience interviewing that type of inanimate object.

[@ZakhadWOW]

@@Justanotherconsumer OK now I have to clean up Pepsi from my keyboard, THANKS A LOT!!

[@CABOOSEBOB]

Sooon! Soon! Soon! Can’t stop the work!

[@nitroxide17]

The work the work!! -protomolecule

[@daz090979]

It’s comments like these that I WISH I had come up with! The internet’s raison d’etre! Full marks (damnit)

[@EdwardLewisIV]

I couldn't see anyone else playing chrissy.

[@danzetterstrom7917]

She’s a UN Secretary, not your favourite stripper.

[@ConstantGeographer]

Shohreh is absolutely captivating

[@thomaslai4680]

@@danzetterstrom7917 She could be both

[@ElleAshterra]

These after show episodes are great! Provides an insight into crew members’ strategies for bringing each episode to life on the screen. Thank you!

[@EvilAnomaly]

That episode was hands down the best thing I ever seen on a screen. Don't remember ever having my jaw on the ground for so long and being shocked, speechless, and pumped all at the same time.

[@Brendissimo1]

I love these after shows guys. Any chance we'll hear from Chad Coleman? It would be nice to get a retrospective from him on Fred's whole arc.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Yeah, and killing him too soon! Booo.

[@Hoganply]

@@stephenbetley9596 Soon enough to be unexpected. What great storytelling.

[@pierrepatry9733]

Thank you for these Aftershow discussions. Really fun.

[@ahikernamedgq]

Shohreh is so beautiful. I'm not sure if Amos or Chrisjen Avasarala are my favorite characters, but they are both magnficient. Love this show.

[@justg2310]

ty and that guy... Thank you for so many delicious years of this expansive content! 🥰

[@andrewmccallum5699]

Way to go Wes! You're doing this ace! Really nice to see Wes, Ty Shohreh and Dan from The Expanse Team :) looking forward to Episode 5!

[@dionemoolman]

While this episode was absolutely phenomenal, there’s one issue: Only two of the asteroids scenes are directly shown while the rest are shown in newsfeeds. How am I supposed to compile scenes of them and play spongebob music over them now?

[@dROUDebateMeCowards]

Only three hit. So, you’re only missing one.

[@samgunn12]

The satellite view of the second hit in NE America is shown and the scene at the UN prison is a result of that. The strike in SE Asia is shown through the window of the Sec Gens aircraft. So, technically, all three are shown. Que up the Spongebob.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

@@samgunn12 I *think* it was 2 in North America. Saw on one of the newsfeeds.

[@thomaslai4680]

I like how each of the asteroids hit a different way, from different perspectives

[@samgunn12]

@@MemoirsofaBasketcase In Avasarala’s office at about 30 minutes in, there is a screen showing relief centres in India and SE Asia, also the Sec Gen was in Asia for a summit and it is stated that her plane just left after the second strike.

[@xanderman55]

Love this episode so much! The Expanse is the GOAT.

[@wakawaka97100]

This show has a great deal to do with our potential future and current situation on Earth in many conflicts which attract me to this show so much

[@interestedinstuff]

I think Avasarala enjoys being treated like a normal person by Amos. Amos doesn't put her on a pedestal and I think that's refreshing for her.

[@heteroclitus]

Yep. I wonder how long since someone tried to flirt with her. She was definitely tickled.

[@russellmarra8520]

I agree. When she agreed to be the top guy again, she asked the guy who betrayed her to be her aide because he's not afraid of her.

[@gavincollins4939]

Superb episode and series full stop 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@belinda35_77]

Millions of people are dying... Bu..bu...but, Timmy's mug though 😢

[@dwcramer92]

The mug? What about the Demon pin he has had since season 1?

[@belinda35_77]

@@dwcramer92 He can get another pin....**someday**, anyway....Timmy mug....pricless. (Lost his "Murty" bag too lol)

[@lynettra7818]

Luv this! But we don't know that's it's lost because the intake desk was already 4 levels down

[@barrymantelli8011]

Shohreh is such a wonderful lady, and a talented actor. She's my new favorite.

[@sentryfox]

OMG THIS EPISODE WAS INCREDIBLE!!!

[@talsweet1902]

I tell people all the time but I'll say it again. Casting Shohreh as Avasarala is the BEST casting choice of all time! I can't thin of another person that could have been a better choice. Well Done!!!

[@arcon97]

S5 E4 will go down as possibly my favorite episode. Brought back Clarissa Mao which I want a redemption arc for. Had stunning visuals with the meteors hitting(sorry, future pop of what 20 bil + those would hundreds of millions if not billions.) We see Marco Inaros' plan come to fruition RIP Fred Johnson :/ Avasarala shows she is still smarter than most.

[@perrygerardorobles8612]

Awesome script. Awesome actors. Awesome PREMISE.

[@prankishsquire2663]

She has the most elegant smile, just warms me up!

[@Danny_Boel]

Monica has a goofy cute smile too

[@SilverScale.]

Oh no, why is it only now that I discover there's an aftershow! Brilliant! This was great, great to listen to you all talk about it.

[@JayPatel-ug1nh]

This is the greatest show ever! Sci-fi but still being as close as possible to real sciencen! I just Love it! Thank you Amazon prime for picking it up!🙌

[@dapeach06]

I really wouldn't say that Marco is a master manipulator, he has a pretty average normal manipulator and abuser, which is why his character is so real and so scary, because abusive and manipulative people can get someone who is otherwise strong-willed and sure of themselves to fall into situations where they doubt themselves or where they are hurt, even though the abuser is not actually that powerful. Marco is an extremely scary version of that, because he is one of those formerly relatively powerless abusers who now has been handed a great deal of power

[@TheClever69]

The thing with Marco is he's saying what the majority of Belters are thinking. They hate the Inners, they hate how badly they've been treated. This is why people rallied behind Anderson Dawes and Fred Johnson, but now situations have escalated and Marco has been able to use that to create his army. He's saying the same things Dawes said, it's just that the state of the galaxy now is much different

[@menelikiii5004]

@National SocialismGood thing you didn't oppose Marco (checks username, sweats profusely)

[@nrXic]

@National Socialism Fighting imperialism with oppression of your own only continues your oppression. It makes it worse. There are too many examples of this in modern history.

[@xXSinForLifeXx]

24:35 haha I like how Wes went back to episode 2 just to talk about that scene. He was like screw it we need to talk about it.

[@Admiral-tz1sp]

Me after watching this episode. Me: no comment due to the inability to speak.

[@vanessaroper3028]

Ikr

[@gateauxq4604]

Me-also silent. We’ll just chill here *silently*.

[@gutspillage]

Wes is a sweetheart, Shohreh is a queen! Writers are writers!

[@ToivoVoll]

On rewatch this episode is only more brilliant than the first time over. The writing, the visual, sound, acting, everything. Just

[@Briandnlo4]

I think we saw from Avasarala’s relationship with Kotyar that she can tolerate a little ‘informality’ from “her boys” who get things done for her.

[@salomel6805]

I miss that guy :' (

[@lynettra7818]

So glad someone said it. Kotyar was constantly inappropriate with a respectful tone. It was a great dynamic that Crissy probably missed and hopes for in Amos.

[@andreasbergqvist6239]

Awesome episode!

[@kabubagachugu7729]

This show just blows my socks off every godamn season. We're so lucky that we had such a competent team handling the adaptation. Brilliant, brilliant actors too. Shohreh ❤️

[@miguelribeiro7202]

My favorite episode this season until now :) It was perfect! Congratulations for the work that you put making this episode :)

[@Triskaan]

Shohreh and Wes have such an amazing chemistry !

[@JuanArandaAlvarez]

I love The Expanse so much, and its such a treat watching the Aftershow. Thank you.

[@daxeah8472]

I feel like this is a perfect show from start to finish. Season 1 to 6 its none stop action and I love every minute of it.

[@justgivemethetruth]

Such an ultimate episode of TV ... thanks guys! Blew me away completely.

[@gary0079]

Season 5 EP4 is definitely my favourite so far, excellent episode.

[@TheManlyVIK]

My favourite season 5 moment so far is in episode 1. Holden and Monica are in that pub and a belter interrupts them with: "Oye, Rocinante! Baratna!" Gets me everytime

[@Skabanis]

Wes dude you are the alpha we need! Bro you are literally the best thing among 101 best things on this show.