The History of Escape from Tarkov - Part 3 (Early 2018)

Welcome to part 3 of the History of Escape from Tarkov, The Golden Age! We start where we left off in the last episode, at the beginning of 2018.
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1:36 Run Through
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[@VeritasGames]

Lots of you guys seem to forget everything I said in my caveats and showed in the clips before the “then vs now” segment. Armor was far more effective, ammo wasn’t as good, there was virtually no blunt damage, no face hitbox, and movement from sprint to standstill was very different. Combine all of that with no med animations and instant mag reloads and it was both fast-paced AND longer fights. You’re free to disagree that this was a golden age, it’s a subjective opinion, but luckily for me it’s my video so I get to share mine :)

[@alexbrestowski4131]

Wish I could go back and play the game how it was when I purchased in may 2018. This wipe has been so demoralizing for me. Maybe my play style was just more suited for how the game played back then

[@aholt4844]

10:34 you said the gameplay was slower, not referring to the length of fights. Which is it? This comment and your video statement cant both be true.

[@Beakerz857]

@@aholt4844 Who tf cares? You saw the same footage we all did; draw your own conclusions.

[@aholt4844]

@@Beakerz857 my conclusion is that he liked the game when the TTK was like Halo and you didnt have to check corners.

[@nrares21]

Yeah, just watching the video it just FEELS so much better paced and just more fun to play for either side.... Guess it all just boils down to you had more time to react you had more time to think so probably the game felt much more fun to play... Maybe a game being too hardcore is not such a great idea....

[@ScavsAteMyLegs]

The gunplay/gameplay loop feels at its best when everyone is running class 3/4 armor with 5.45 BT rounds or an equivalent, 5/6 and super rounds like M995/7.62BP should be more of a rarity.

[@KeepTheGates]

Agree. Level 5 armor should be the high end, while level 6 should be almost unheard of.

[@jamesandciri]

Yeah fr, when I played Tarkov over the summer I almost exclusively ran AK-74 w/ 5.45 BT and class 4 armor and the gunfights I would have were always really great, comparable to the 2018 clips in this video.

[@williamleebuckley]

Totally. Longer TTK allows fights to have something of a mini storyline. It's one of the things that makes a game like Hunt Showdown so enjoyable and is 100% why everyone universally enjoys the early wipe the most. The low recoil, high RPM AP ammo thing we have now really lacks depth for me. It's cool that so much has been refined, but the end result is a bit overtuned. I'd say, whether I'm getting merked (most of the time) or killing someone else, something like 80% of engagements are over in the first half second.

[@TheLastGreatDon]

Couldn't agree more and it fits better with the theme of "forsaken military contractor" simulator. AP rounds should be somewhere in the realm of 40,000 roubles per shell. Make them almost impossible to run and be beneficial to the 950rpm meta, longer more drawn out fights are more tactical and present opportunities for actual cover fire and suppression mechanics rather than prefire .002 second ttk.

[@catbox7958]

I miss the old days when hearing an M4 was so cool and was like an oh shit moment.

[@TheFrozenArk]

Watching this video makes me realize how much I also liked the old footstep/ supprssed ak aswell as the older style of combat

[@ShouldavilleHub]

The "Then and Now" comparison portion really hits home. I was only a Tarkov viewer at that point and man did I enjoy watching the longer fights. The fights usually had so much tension and payoff. Now it feels more like sprinting, leaping around and 1 tapping. Just not something I like watching anymore.

[@Killerpixel11]

Fuck watching, I don't like playing it anymore, either. The last few wipes i did play, were fun for like 2 or 3 days, until the sweatlords hit their levels and started Terminatoring through the maps. From the bit I watch here and there, it hasn't changed and I haven't touched it now in almost two years.

[@kohnr3381]

Oh people learned how to play and now the less good players are whining. It's not the game, it's you. Just click on the head.

[@Opachki69420]

@@kohnr3381 bro i hate to sound like that guy but the comparisons are not very different, the biggest change is veritas has his fov cranked with headbob turned all the way down in the newer footage. if you want that feel just turn the settings back on lol

[@haemburger8215]

blinded by nostalgia

[@nrares21]

Yeah both watching and playing :/ Guess it all just boils down to you had more time to react you had more time to think so probably the game felt much more fun to play...

[@MrPooBTW]

I joined tarkov late 2017 early 2018 and can say defo golden age of tarkov. Also i discovered your channel so that was pretty cool. :)

[@gogle]

My theory is that you played this game for many years, gained a lot of experience and now you "play the game with your eyes closed" , so there's no more adrenaline and no "emotion" like in the first days. All points, pixels, maps, builds and etc, are memorized. A person who started playing tarkov a short time ago will play more slowly, and will have adrenaline pumping in their veins during the Raid. BTW nice video!

[@TylerSnowis]

This is definitely true for me. I've just started playing this game (2 weeks ago) and my movement and pacing looks a lot more like the Tarkov of old compared to videos I see these days. To me it is a very intense game and my adrenaline is pumping every time I get into a fight.

[@MrArgoth933]

@@TylerSnowis same for me. For real, the difference between his "then" and "now" gameplay is people actually learning to aim the head... As it goes for every other FPS with one-tap headshots like CS:GO, Valorant etc

[@avitus5770]

Man, the OG 5.45 AK sounds... I wish they came back

[@bitr0x]

Man.. just listening to you and seeing all the old pictures and gameplay just lets me remember how i loved finding your videos in 2017. I really love how far you and EFT have come. Seeing that you have uploaded another GREAT video just makes my day every single time. Thank you very much for all that you have done. Much love from Germany

[@Jirasu]

Rip the tactical tula 10000 attachment for the AK's. Miss that piece of gear a lot actually.

[@DataTVs]

I definitely miss the slower movement everyone had back then, I feel like my play style is still stuck in the golden era, here's hoping inertia levels the playing field again.

[@Robugin]

This!

[@dic-vr2mx]

Hoping inertia brings back the old feelings again bro.. i'm expecting a lot on this.

[@dic-vr2mx]

@@umbrella.-. i mean making slower pace game is their priority and main objective so...

[@warbear0424]

Better now?

[@DataTVs]

@@warbear0424 much better 😎

[@anonymussy123]

This is a really informative video, although I also played during this period and in my opinion I think the quality of gameplay has increased a lot. I really like the lower time to kill, especially seeing the insane mag dumps it took to kill people back in .7 and stuff.

[@Ciraaxx]

Can we appreciate something that I haven't noticed so far or has been talked about? *The ground doesn't sound like you're stampeding on cornflakes. how fucking amazing*

[@Mx.imilian.f]

I just joined Tarkov about a week ago with me watching a lot beforehand on KZbin and learning simply by watching people. But man I suck so muxhnqt this game especially with crap ammo, loadouts and being a hatchling late-wipe against chads. Seeing the then vs now comparison really hit me hard. The fights seemed to be way better back then, especially since it’s so discouraging not being able to learn anything since I die by 1-taps most of the time and don’t get to learn how to approach, handle and end a fight properly. The only big disadvantage I see is getting 3rd partied like in apex legends due to long engagements, but it would be well worth it to me being able to learn anything in my first 50-100 hours in therms of pvp. I know scav‘s are a possible alternative, but this won’t level me up to get up to standard with any of the other players. But I still freaking love this game, any new game with being disoriented and having this kind of nervousness and fear of what‘s even going on.

[@uhBlinkk]

I think we can all agree old tarkov was awesome despite it's flaws but I also have a deep appreciation for how far the game has come and will continue to go. Sometimes I feel like people don't miss "old" tarkov but rather miss going into the game blind and learning everything along the way. One more thing I may add is that back then people were horrendous at PVP and just the game in general but nowadays there are a ton of absolute slayers who have years of experience in the game which for new players and even returning players can make the game seem damn near impossible starting out and tends to push people away from the game. Regardless, this was an awesome video Veritas, Keep it up!

[@prestonlyle]

This was amazing, I can't wait for the next part man, we can all see how much effort you put into these videos and we all appreciate it

[@Radish.Spirit.]

Quality as always V! As someone who started playing right before the fated Twitch drops of 2020 New Year's I love learning about how the game evolved, keep it up !

[@tonybuds]

those old kotton clips really took me back

[@KyleCollective]

The gfaust clip of him dumping what seemed like 100 rounds into that guys dome was hilarious

[@michaelcapece8099]

you have really captured the excellence that was early tarkov, ive been watching since 2017, but only recently got a pc to play it on, it makes me wish i was able to play back then

[@sab85ful]

Dude I've been playing since the beginning more or less, and this has been the best tarkov video's I've ever watched. So many good memories and awesome experiences and to be honest so much bullshit I forgot about that gave the game some glitchy charm. Thank you so much for this series of video's. I know putting something like this together has been a ton of work! (I've gotten into arguments with buddies about previous game states and tried to look up stuff. Really the only way is forums and old videos with is a lot of leg work.) Absolute king. Thank you.

[@eliadad8980]

This is right when I started playing and seeing clips from this time is taking me baaaaack. Love to see it.

[@DLG_Felix]

Let’s go! Been waiting for another video in this series. Thank you for all the work you’ve put in on this series!

[@MrJJuK]

21:49 - "On another Episode of... I shouldn't be ALIVE!!!"

[@uneventfulgaming8023]

Great work as always. That last clip of Kotton sneaking into that squad is hilarious.

[@IMunchOnCats]

back in "the day" as it were, everyone was a massive bullet sponge and we all complained about it. One taps were kind of rare and we got kinda upset when we would put half a mag into a guy and he was able to turn around and shoot you back. Well we got what we asked for, but it turns out we didn't know what we had to begin with.

[@lucascardinfranco2011]

That’s what I thought. I think that the movement was better, but the TTK took too long. I didn’t play it back then, I bought the game in the end of 2020 and my biggest complaint is the movement speed, it’s too fast. The fast ttk is something I’m used to, because I’ve played a lot of Insurgency legacy, that TTK was insane low. Just 1 shot with ap ammo and you were dead 💀.

[@The1337guy1]

I can't speak from experience but the idea that a helmet like the Kiver could eat M995 is baffling to me. Watching that made me realize that people are just upset that the games TTK has decreased but don't understand why that's the case. You can still have long fights in the game right now, but because a Kolpak can no longer suck up rifle rounds like it was being hit by BB's things have changed. Armor being less effective was always going to be the case and once (assuming they actually follow through on this mechanic) body armor has plate hitboxes alongside the soft armor/fabric points the TTK will be changed yet again. The issue as it stands is availability of the best items. Once you hit level 20 there is no item you aren't able to buy including the best ammo and armor. This has shifted the perception that the game was "better" back then because now I can buy 100 rounds of SNB at any time I want and clap people wearing any armor. You wanna fix this ability it's gonna take a lot of changes but it starts with limiting what can be bought on the flea market.

[@IMunchOnCats]

@@The1337guy1 You are absolutely correct, it is however my opinion that these current 'issues' are a direct result of the complaints that TTK was perceived as being much too low. In terms of realism the game is probably pretty accurate as it currently is (I've never been shot so I'm going of of anecdotal youtube evidence (ie guntuber armor tests)) but liberties are usually made for the sake of gameplay. The increased rarity of top-tier items will hopefully be a good solution.

[@The1337guy1]

@@IMunchOnCats I don't disagree and I think the best ammo, attachments, and armor should not be as common as they currently are. The weight system was a good step in the right direction, but now we have to address everything else.

[@chuck_stones]

Awesome work as always Veritas!! Loving to find out more about this insane game's history!!

[@user-co9jo2mm6n]

Amazing! Looking forward to the next. Also need to rewatch part 1 and 2 to refresh memory=)))

[@garlemmm]

omg thanks veritas these videos are great. I may not miss the old days at all but its cool to see where we have come from

[@Lyrik00x]

yoooo! been waiting a lot on the next part of this series! keep it up man!

[@NTTBIRCHY]

Vertas you make the best Information/Tarkov science vids. we are all blessed with your content.

[@TopicV_]

I absolutely love this series! I hope to see more of this series, I love reminiscing of how tarkov used to be. Thank you Veritas ❤️

[@Redaerd]

I wish BSG would consider bringing back the "old gunplay." Guns raising slower after spring, slower to ADS, and more bobbing and swaying. It looked more realistic and was smoother, which really contributed to the craziness of a firefight. I hope inertia can end the strafing, sprinting bullshit that plagues this game now

[@blakeolinger1220]

Running and strafing can be done in reality. The game is supposed to be realistic. The player base is changing and the only real problem with this game is the cheating. I wish I could play Labs, but 50% of the Lobbies have a cheater in them. The shit is ridiculous.

[@Opachki69420]

dude the "more bobbing and swaying" you are talking about is literally just 50 fov with headbob lol, go try it for yourself

[@Redaerd]

@@Opachki69420 Not at all. I am completely aware of that setting. BSG has absolutely decreased weapon physics gradually every update. It was as if every weapon used to have lower base ergonomics. When you flicked fast, the gun took longer to be at rest, etc...

[@Redaerd]

@@blakeolinger1220 No it cannot. Real life has inertia. Escape from Tarkov has no form of simulated inertia. In Tarkov you can stop instantly, change directions instantly, and go from sprinting to stopped, ADS'd, and shooting on the drop of a dime. There is a reason people don't strafe in real life firefights.

[@blakeolinger1220]

@@Redaerd You must not own rifles IRL

[@barkobunga2276]

Holyshit, the old movement is unironically so much better. I forgot about how grounded and proper it felt. The slow ass footsteps fro sprinting were kinda weird tho, but everything else looks so much better than what it is now. Its popularity really did fuck so much up.

[@killswitch141]

You always have awesome content! Glad I still support you even though I don't watch as much

[@timestreamer9491]

Good content, as always. Love your soundtracks. So good :)

[@chadrattington]

Tarkov has been taking a back seat lately and i don’t think it’s gonna come up to the front for a while with battlefield, halo, and other great indie releases coming this season. 1800 hours later and i can finally say I’m not addicted anymore lol

[@dabdoc3885]

the gear fear tip at 19:15 got me soooo good

[@Pestily]

Next episode when

[@hanzolo7719]

Veritas, I don’t even play Tarkov anymore but I love this series. The editing and the amount of info is great!

[@alexandernapier14]

YES. This has been my top anticipated piece of entertainment for the past few months! Keep up the great work V!

[@GrabBagShow]

Super bummed I missed that era of Tarkov. Thanks for this documentary series!

[@Ran93024]

The clip from Eroktic about gearfear always gets me xD

[@chicken5038]

I think it was patch 12 when they added reserve that was my favorite wipe. It was super easy to make money and because of that pvp was just fun. You could go into labs and easily sell all the player loot and make a quick 500k-1mil every raid. But 12.12 is in my opinion my second favorite wipe just because of inertia. The PVP with inertia has been so fun. I did love no inertia with the unique pvp but because tarkov is already so unique inertia has just added more to pvp which in my opinion is a needed change. PVP got stale after 4 wipes of the same movement system. I did love it but I was still excited for inertia.

[@chicken5038]

Also the change in recoil this wipe making for fights at medium to long range not just two lasers spraying eachother down to more of a who can land more shots or better positioning. Just adds to the whole experience. I have found my self in many long fights this wipe just because you can spray someone down.

[@johnnydough6244]

Was super stoked to see this uploaded today right before I had to leave for work. Just getting home, fixing to relax and throw this up on the TV. Good shit my dude. Part 4 when?

[@Sdichiera]

I love that you included Kotton's scraw clan infiltration. I still go back and watch that video occasionally.

[@Magswap]

Didn't get a pc until late 2020 so unfortunately I missed the Golden Age, but I did buy Tarkov as soon as I finally got one and I haven't regretted it since!

[@Lucky_Gentleman]

Nowadays when I die I have mostly no idea where the guy was. The game is now all about seeing (hearing) the enemy first, doesn't matter the gear either one of you have... 2018 I miss you.

[@theshutout]

Great video yet again! Can't wait for part 4

[@MikeCR1tweezie]

The memories of playing in 2018 is the reason I'm still playing today. The Golden age it was

[@FinestXI]

I love the slower clunkier playstyle, something about the audio seemed cooler to me as well. Wish I could go back to 2018 for a little while!

[@HoodieKingTv]

gotta do this again with all the changes in 12.12 love these videos I wasn't fortunate to be apart of the game until 2019-2020 so a lot of these clips blow me away. wish I had a time machine!!!

[@Legondski]

man this being my second wipe for this game a fairly new player, that before and now comparison made me realize how good this games gunplay was back then even for the newbies no one taps actual enjoyable gunfights with out skill potential rather than a lucky headshot 90% of the time dont get me wrong i still enjoy the game and im pretty good even for being relatively new but man do i wish i played during that time it looked so fun

[@muffingod1734]

inertia brought back longer firefights and i'm really happy about it! 12.12 tarkov feels like a different game I can't wait for part 4, this series is awesome

[@comradesillyotter1537]

Dude, wasn't early wipe just the best?

[@TheLoneTerran]

This is going to sound dumb, but old Tarkov "scared me". Not my consciousness, not me myself, but it amped my body up something crazy. In game, if I were alone and being shot at from somewhere I couldn't see where I was being attacked from, I'd be adrenaline dumped. Fingers cold, trying to think while underfire, zigzaging, hopping, ducking, etc. If I made it away, I noticed I may have sweat a bit, bit of a heart rate elevation. Probably because it was first person, my brain maybe thought it was real danger, I dunno. Or when someone who's been kicking my ass from one side of the map to the other. I'm barely alive, but I just ambushed my tormentor and killed them. Those kinds of good feelings aren't something easy to find in games now a days, at least for me. If I got snuffed out, I'd be angry for a minute then just think something along the lines of "that's tarkov!", similar to the older "that's X-com!". Towards my end of playing I just disliked most of what they were adding. I despise the goddamned flea-market. How a lot of people started playing the game with spreadsheets and multiple alarms set to they knew when vendors restocked so they could hop in and get the rare stuff then log back off. Maybe you could craft it, but the higher level crafting stuff was locked behind so much grind and material that was already better than you could make yourself! After the flea-market and the opening of the Chinese servers where all of a sudden I was being looted while still alive by invisible people, I just said "f it" and was done. By then most people were just extract camping anyways. BSG banged on and on about how other PMCs being disappointed if people did hatchling runs, implemented the run through system to counter stat boosting, constant emphasis on long ranged combat with 1 shot, 1 kills becoming the norm as more ammo types were introduced, it felt like they really only cared about how the big streamers, the people who got them exposure felt about the game than the people who'd already bought the dang thing. Then when people started complaining that exfil camping was similar to the hated stat boosting/hatchling runs because the maps were empty and silent with any previous option, the only response was "git gud scrub". That attitude combined with the childish DMCA strikes they've done multiple times in the past when people simply pointed out a bug, exploit, or vulnerable netcode, I didn't want to be part of the community they were building anymore. Actually playing the game, looting, fighting scavs, and moving across the map carefully to avoid drawing unwanted attention to be killed by a shot you never heard by someone with the game open on one monitor, graphics and sound set in ways to easily pick out approaching people, and switching between the game they were actually playing to then exfil camp someone, and now using that body as bait while they continued to play other games, that makes the world feel empty, cold, and lifeless as well, just like if someone had done a run-through, or a hatchling run, both they put up counters for. And just ceding labs to hackers and exploiters is just unacceptable. Being killed by people running through the sky in Reserves or Woods or Shoreline, it all became an unhappy mess. The only hope I hold out for was the mention of being able to host private servers in the future and able to pvp and raid with friends. It did swing back around to being funny at one point when you lived longer with crappier armor because everyone was running the absolute best ammo possible with maximum pen. I still feel that the flea-market and the huge incentivizing of real money trading beyond character boosting that was already going on was when the game really started to turn for the worst. I was genuinely sad when I uninstalled after not having fun for a long time. All it takes though, is to remember how childish Nikita behaved and how he abused DMCA, swearing at players, etc., to remember that he is not the type of person I want to continue to support. Edit: Btw, what ever happened to the PMC karma system where if you indiscriminately murder PMCs from your own faction, traders would get pissed off at you? Meaning actually having to not shoot on sight but possibly work together?

[@Tkeckman]

I started playing tarkow Jan 2021, looks absolut fire back in the days and i wish i was one of the old-schoolers! Great vid and everything, keep doing this!

[@AHOneOOne]

2018. The year i started playing, & oh boy. It was BRUTAL

[@RefJoy]

finally!!! Love it. Thanks @Veritas love you

[@Kagarin05]

7:42 I actually miss this immersive way opening doors, makes the players slow down more instead of speed opening and sprinting past doors

[@mr.wallbangr9896]

top notch .. thanks for the flash back

[@levitate4867]

Im excited for the next episode, covering 2019! The release of labs and first time ever that people saw and fought raiders. To see them petrified and frozen still in a corner as nades go off across the map. The comparison of flea market being added into the game in 2020. How players would yell when they saw a pmc they killed had a juice cannon and lvl 5+. As now its almost emotionless and only calulating roubles to then buy their meta kits instantly, which then get head eyes and 2-3 tapped in the chest anyways lol.

[@backsnapd2040]

I remember watching Kotton jump off that roof live..... TWAS WILD. Also, amazing video, been playing since 2017, and this brings back all the memories, and reminds me where we started compared to where we are today.

[@coldsynergy5767]

holy shit I was there when Kotton made that god jump, still haven't pick my jaw up from the ground on that one

[@majo2626]

Holly shit you have just unlocked a memory... i have seen that Kotton jump from the resort roof live on twitch :O 23:05

[@Lionnellm]

I love seeing these, well done sir

[@Westw00do]

These videos should have a lot more views, they are really well made!

[@facelessgreen8997]

"More chaotic weapon handling" **Proceeds to show montage of full auto spraying people at 50 meters including one with 4x scope**

[@misterjae7565]

Amazing documentary thank you!

[@MrJJuK]

can't wait for Part 4

[@schluppi2244]

great job mate

[@kronik907]

Yayyyyyy! I've been so hyped for this episode :)

[@SDThondas]

As a new player (7 days as of this). It's very interesting to see the then vs now and how you mentioned how things felt slower then. That's how I play this game now, super slow and stealth. Great series Veritas 👊 Thank you

[@mrcommand060]

Great video!!

[@lihac5079]

Looking at the combat, now it feels alot more unique compared to other games, the TTK is short and a single wrong decision kills you. I like it how it is.

[@shooter499]

This is the Tarkov I yearn for, slower pace, everyone was pretty much on the same playing field with weapons and armor, movement felt slower, engaging someone felt terrifying, nobody was running from one corner to the other with strafing, people took their time. I'm happy I experienced this golden age and hope for it to slowly turn back to this once inertia gets added.

[@Opachki69420]

ah yes, when m995 couldnt one tap a class 3 helmet, those were AMAZING times lmfao

[@Phlyinhigh]

@@Opachki69420 It was sorry your just a sweat lord that lives and breaths pvp game used to be fun but not anymore and this is coming from someone who payed a fuck ton of money just to play the game early

[@shooter499]

@@jonredcorn862 literally everything I've been asking for 🙏🙏

[@squidwardo7074]

everyone was shit at the game is why, now that they've surpassed your skill level significantly here you are

[@MajaesPov]

okay can we just all say at 12:48 when hes walking around with a full blacked body besides his left leg is crazy asf lmfao

[@LichWorks]

been waiting for this

[@matttrudeau8186]

this is were i started my Tarkov journey

[@Neity_]

Can't wait for the new episode, I love this series

[@sev348]

23:00 oh kotton. what a classic clip. that brings me back. i started playing around .6ish. this brings back the solo days. i play a five man this wipe after playing solo for years. the game is way different. i miss the wall behind dickehead rock too. games def different. im torn to say ifs its better or not. but really a different game.

[@EatMyVlogs]

Eroktic really hasn't changed a single bit 🤣🤣

[@Ratcher.]

love the series! now give us part 4 and 5 please!

[@immorttalis]

People remembering the "Golden Age" makes me feel like it's the same case as with WoW Classic: you say you want it until you've experienced it once again and then realise that it's ultimately something you don't want.

[@fairnut6418]

16:12 a second before I too didn't notice the guy but that blatant running oh...

[@MaunoKoivistoOfficial]

Those classic clips were awesome.

[@catbox7958]

So nostalgic seeing kotton mannnn I remember watching that stream back then

[@bbusch78]

Love these videos

[@amoongsus9142]

been waiting for this lets gooo

[@anotherkenlon]

A major problem with Tarkov combat is that full-auto is simply way too controllable. There's a reason why soldiers don't use guns on full-auto for things other than suppression, 99% of the time.

[@comradesillyotter1537]

Semi auto makes fights last longer too

[@IAmSplate]

15:42 is the best example of current tarkov. Extremely high rates of fire with no recoil. Insurgence Sandstorm feels like it’s got some of the best gunplay, while Squad feels the best to me as a whole. People just don’t want to think. They want to let their adrenaline and stress guide the fight and win based on it. In Sandstorm, you have the time to think, along with good guns and highly mobile players. In Squad, if you aren’t thinking then you’re probably meat grinding between objectives hoping for something to change. In Tarkov, as soon as you start thinking and trying to play smart in your engagement, maybe switch to single fire so your recoil doesn’t knock you away, someone who hasn’t taken their finger off of their W key since the start of the raid flips the corner and sprays you down full auto while also not stopping their movement once. Tarkov has been tailored to the landmarks, and now they are the ones who dominate it, and nobody wants to play anymore.

[@jamesblack5425]

Too true! I've been saying these exact words for years now always to fall upon deaf ears. If Tarkov wants to be taken seriously then they need to do away with the strategy (or lack thereof) of "Ill just hold shift+W+Mouse1 = win." As far as I see it this game has allowed itself to become no different than every other battle royale game literally ever, where sprinting and holding down full auto = win, it's truly pathetic. It's such a braindead strategy that BSG might as well have just made a children's game at that point.

[@GraveZero]

1000% this all day. This is what killed the game for me when cod has better feelings guns when it comes to recoil than tarkov.

[@GraveZero]

@@jamesblack5425 thats what I was hoping this game would be you try to fullauto a gun at 200 yards low chance you kill him not this laser beam shit they have now.

[@felixsteiner1295]

@@GraveZero but the fact is, with changing muzzle or not or just simply AK’s stock muzzle, it can kill the recoil to 0 in real life. So Tarkov is half realistic and half not

[@GraveZero]

@@felixsteiner1295 untrue go shot full auto sometime

[@bigthonk9059]

I personally like the swiftness of gun fights now. It feels more realistic and tense since I can just instantly die

[@asianapollo002]

I just watched gameplay at this point I couldn’t even fathom having a pc capable of running this game I was watching general sam and shroud play I remeber vividly my first couple raids on customs and getting lost and dying to fucking bar wire it feels different now mentally and visually love it still but nothing beats those first hours in this game scared anxious and worried lmaoo

[@Raider19D]

The biggest problem in fights these days is the bullet dmg. If they fix that, you now have the proper mechanics with healing, proper mechanics with throwing grenades, proper mechanics with weapon sway. They shouldn't combat the bullet dmg by adding Slicks etc but lower the output dmg. I was around when you could run full sprint with FORT armor so I also like the new weight changes which makes the game feel more realistic. With that being said... you're right.. the fights were more intense and lasted longer. Again, the bullet dmg was much lower and rate of fire weren't lasers...

[@The1337guy1]

There are a lot of things in this video that feel painfully cherry picked and poorly thought out. Let's go through some of the points I feel were not made well. First lets talk about ammo effectiveness, armor, and general player skill. The idea that everything was less effective and therefore more skill based is definitely an interesting idea. Seeing as you could say, rock your 6B43 and basically become bulletproof even against armor piercing full power rifle rounds. Now aside from this making sniper rifles a complete joke to use seeing as even the best ammo at the time for the job was barely able to scuff mid tier armor, this takes away a lot of agency from the shooter. You aren't rewarded for making a clean shot from 100 meters because the armor invalidated your effort. This can still happen but with armor and ammo values today a bolt action rifle is still incredibly powerful against even high tier armor. The idea that AP ammo was stopped by a Kiver is frankly hilarious to me and saying that there was more skill when gear was such a huge determining factor in fights is just wrong. Again, compared to now gear matters less in a fight than it ever has. Personal skill is king and you have even said that yourself when talking to Jesse. Speaking of weapon handling, let's go through your statements about weapon recoil. From the clips shown I saw some seriously chunky meta M4's in the "Now" section and an MDR. You popped off some spicy headshots which resulted in a one hit kill, so aight we have a clear demonstration of how different the ammo and armor values are. Seeing as bullets seem to do something now. But what I was more curious about was the recoil. Example time. At 12:15 we witness your M4 absolutely clap that dude from what appear to be stomach shots while you hold that reticle center mass. If there was more recoil there you would have a hard time convincing me that it was any different from current meta builds. The second is at 14:00 with the AK and the PSO-1. Again, if you tried that right now the first shot would jolt your view and you'd lose your target for a moment. But here from the first shot you have a perfect view and the gun is barely jumping. Like I don't get it, we're watching it play out, this is clearly not the case that guns were harder to control. This looks easier to use than it currently is and I decided to test it with the exact same weapon setup that you have in that clip to get a bit of a comparison since I had the game open at the time. The gun jumps way harder now and your view is more obfuscated by the eye relief vignette and by how violently the gun recoils. If you wanna say you had more fun back then, feel free because I get it. With familiarity comes contempt and we all eventually get sick of the things we really like and need a break. But this feels like you're lying to me to make a point. Maybe if you wanna make a proper comparison video you should get in touch with Nikita and have him send you a legacy build of the game so that we can get a direct, 1 to 1 view of what it was like then vs. now. Because in this setting with the footage I've been provided, I don't see how anything was "better."

[@NinjaAnimations]

yeah, I liked the video but it definetly seemed pretty biased and unfair to say that the game was "better" then when there were many elements that were worse.

[@deurikin2466]

i think my favorite part of old tarkov was how beefy people were. you wouldnt get melted by M855A1 in .2 seconds. i wish those ammos were harder to get so you need to use standered ammo more. people wouldnt die so fast and you can have a chance to have a drawn out gunfight.

[@ike2k4]

yeah man this is great

[@BConPC]

Lets go part 3

[@LAZYB00GiE]

Im here and feeling good My body is ready

[@KytexEdits]

I'm very sad that I only got into Tarkov when labs came out (dec 2018/jan 2019) because it was such a crazy money printing factory, then the next wipe they did keycards for labs, which were way too damn cheap and people still farmed it, then people farmed the hell out of reserve, and since then it's been a bit of clusterfuck in terms of people progressing too fast (imo) and the fun times only lasting a few weeks post wipe. The reason I'm sad that I didn't play it earlier is because everything feels insignificant, I feel very jaded. Yeah I just killed a trio that was fully geared but what's the point when I already have 200m rubles (basically all earned easily through bitcoin farm, mind you) and I can simply buy every single ammo, armor, attachment etc instantly? I come from games like ArmA and DayZ (mod and standalone) and the thing is because things were so damn rare, it felt SO good when you found something good. Maybe I'm just a sick fuck who only finds things enjoyable once I deprive myself of enjoyment (honestly possible) but it feels like it's common for many of us 3+ year Tarkov players to get bored easily at this point, and this is often the reason why. To be honest I think things took a turn for the worse when the drops started when reserve dropped - a lot of new players with the wrong expectations bought the game and ever since I feel like Nikita has been compromising for them too much. I know it sucks to hear but - some people just bought the wrong game, dude. I will respect whatever Nikita's vision is even if it completely contradicts everything I've just said. What's important to me is that the new people (post drops) who are often times more casual and new to the genre (hardcore/milsim/survival type stuff), don't make Nikita feel the need to compromise things. I know at some point Nikita himself said that he regretted the drops, and I can't say I disagree. There's a reason he stopped visiting online forums for many months after the new players joined...

[@Sadic81]

I love this Series... But I would want to see more about the growing of the Maps. You run over it in this Video!

[@MrMacbit]

From my perspective I feel like the older versions of Tarkov felt more like a video game(I know it is but by that I mean there was more "gameplay" in combat situations) and the updated Tarkov feels closer to real life. Which appeals to some and doesn't appeal to others. I believe this is where the vision of the developers and Nikita differ from the vision some of the fans have for the game. I personally love the way Tarkov feels now as a new player (level 26) and looking at old footage I understsnd how the gameplay might have been more enjoyable for some. I find myself way more immersed in the game now and couldn't really imagine it the other way around. (Being so slow, etc.)