The Internet Archive Situation

[@deviaan]

The internet archive being taken down would be one if the worst things to happen to modern culture and the internet.

[@DiespecialRdb]

Completely taken down seems retarted

[@SonOfAGunYYH]

Yet nothing bad would happen to the ghouls who would do it. Their lives are always safe and sound because they are rich. These assholes have public addresses and almost zero personal security, and yet they continue to destroy the world without so much as a "how-do-you-do" or a protest. They face no consequences, ever.

[@Mari_Kross]

And humanity in general because it's used by independant journalists all over the world for investigations

[@JT0H]

Archive of the internet archive

@@JT0H That's nigh impossible.

[@mav2544]

imagine looking at a database that is trying to maintain human history and thinking "they should be giving me money for keeping track of the things i didn't care enough about to keep track of in the first place"

[@mav2544]

like this shit reminds me of Zhao torching the Fire Nation section of the ancient library in Avatar:TLA, these people are evil

[@NocturnalTyphlosion]

genuinely akin to the arson of the library of alexandria

[@budgetcommander4849]

Corporations are inhuman constructs, and factor in nothing but profitability. If destroying history might pay you five bucks, there's no reason not to.

[@NStarX9]

I feel you! People need to let that shit be cuse underground artist can use that stuff when they are broke and it can help, that’s how I been making all my music videos like sorry I don’t have a team or anybody funding me I have to figure it out one way or another

[@thechugg4372]

The only reason why this is still a thing is because there are no organisations to protect online history like this. Organisations that would be protected from the meddling of politicians and greedy corpos

[@ErkaaJ]

Imagine walking into a library and thinking "this place needs a price tag".

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

Every time I walk into a library I actually think "I have more at home on my own HDDs and this is a waste of money and space." literally.

[@hegecroissant3407]

@@MorMacFey-v2g bro has never gone to a good library. Also what about people who dont have access to your HDDs? Libraries are beneficial for the underprivileged and public in general while not costing too much.

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

@@hegecroissant3407 Yes what about those people? Why would they have access to my HDDs? I didn't say libraries were not beneficial to people that actually need them. But I do love how you jump to horrible conclusions. We all pay for everyone to have smart phones in my country, they should also have access to any of those printed texts on their phones and not waste the building space, energy, or resources getting there, when people could have access in their pockets. Why are we so focused on making sure all these publishers get their money when like you said we have such an underprivileged public that could benefit? It costs way more than it currently can. The underprivileged don't pay for it either the rest of us do and that money is going to someone else who doesn't even give a damn about those people. So sorry if I don't agree with that arrangement. I'm getting so sick of being forced to pay for other's things in a form of a tax when these corporations aren't forced to do anything to help those people in the same way.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@MorMacFey-v2g The point is that either that library is massively undersupported or you have an absolutely enormous HDD collection. Libraries around here function as much as access points for social services and community centers as actual places to get books these days. It makes going super annoying because now they're super loud, but at least they're getting used and the system has expanded somewhat over the years.

[@urphakeandgey6308]

They're called bookstores.

[@takingamassiveel]

I have a friend who archives lost media, it’s an unbelievable amount of labor and a thankless job. We risk so much being lost and greedy companies are still intent on erasing history for the sake of their pockets. What a depressing world we live in.

[@rileynielsen1597]

I’ve been archiving local KZbin videos for years now, made a project years ago to archive TikTok videos, but still so much is being lost, and at risk of being lost if the Archive is shut down

[@GoldenPickaxe]

And then you lose it all when a Hurricane destroys your collection, a la LGR

[@Dave102693]

@@GoldenPickaxethat’s why there should always be back ups off site

[@TheBrianMSnyder]

It doesn't really matter. Jesus will come back soon and melt it all anyway.

[@rileynielsen1597]

@@GoldenPickaxe I’ve been paying $8 a month to Backblaze for years for this exact scenario, were it ever to occur to me

[@cynicismIncarnate]

To be very clear, the IA lawsuits have always been about destroying any and all public access to product. Corporations are already bleeding libraries dry w/ awful contracts for e-books (Never under any circumstance should you use Libby and Overdrive), but these lawsuits are arguing that any and all lending must be made illegal because public access is inherently against business interests. The reason why book publishing went after IA when they did was because IA removed the cap on who can be lent books when the pandemic started. That action was obviously good for humanity, but corporations hate humanity so they used that lending as a wedge to sue. Libraries can and will always be able to lend material under copyright. There's literally a law stating that people can freely lend material. Corp scum view that as a sale lost and are actively using any pretense they can to remove the ability for people to lend material. This video does not fully tell you the entire story, which okay, but the magnitudes of which capitalists are trying to literally remove your rights (Even if you're not in the US) cannot go w/out mention.

[@TheBubblegumDog]

I agree with nearly everything you've said here. This is sad to watch happen, and fighting for libraries will likely only grow more important. I just wanted to discuss eBook lending and OverDrive’s products, including Libby. OverDrive is owned by a private equity firm, KKR. They are about as far from the good guy as it gets. The fees OverDrive charges are a wildly unfair cost for libraries, especially when it comes to eBooks "expiring" as though they wear out, or being charged per-checkout. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't checkout eBooks from libraries. Generally, costs associated with lending eBooks are (for the time being) a minor part of a library’s expenses. As with all things library, there are exceptions, but most libraries are funded per use, meaning that the more use a library receives, the larger its budget. To oversimplify, the more people use libraries, the more money those libraries can argue for at the next municipal budget meeting. Libraries want you to use them more. OverDrive is horrible, but I don’t want people to read less or use their local libraries less because of those fees.

[@dissident1337]

Absolutely, this is a consequence of every economic mode up to now being built on the gatekeeping of the commons.

[@MsZsc]

what's with e book contracts

[@koolarooo]

The IA stepped out of line of what is legal and got smacked down. What did they expect to happen? In my opinion they put themselves in the line of fire and then cried about the obvious results. I don’t really care that much about piracy or copy-write protection that much but in this case the law wasn’t obscure, the IA knew the law and they decided to ignore it.

[@Lizzie3Ds]

@@koolaroookeep licking the boot

[@chrislowles]

I think it's wild how IA is having to deal with this almost entirely on their own, meanwhile OpenAI et al is hoovering up the entire internet and is not only getting away with it but in fact *partnering up* with other mega corporations doing the same shit, *for profit*

[@stephe1506]

And we have AI "artists" (glorified text prompters) pursuing legal action against real artists for "copying" them when their "art" does exactly what you're saying from people who had the ideas and put in the effort to make real art in the first place. What a time.

[@soymilkman]

EXACTLY. No one cares when your or my data get stolen, but god forbid a corporation get a taste of their own medicine!

[@StellarBoBellar]

​@@friche-t3jI'm still so mad that the entire finished Batgirl movie got vaulted. I feel like if companies intentionally vault their content so they can claim it as a tax write off, those pieces of media should be public domain

[@astitva5002]

and openAI is very openly at this point getting more and more closed sourced profit oriented

[@themarblegarden]

and they just got valued at $150 BILLION dollars after last round of funding ffs

[@FuzzylilLemon]

we need to archive internet archive

[@katerrinah5442]

Can we send them to Switzerland?

[@jocejoce7638]

That's what would happen in fact, secret communities preserving the archives the best they can outside of public view.

[@bewwybabe8045]

@@jocejoce7638I wouldn’t be surprised (and somewhat expect) for there to be a much larger archive that’s on private view for now

[@michaellin4553]

​@@katerrinah5442Not easily. There's way too much data. The only way to move all that stuff is physically, and that would costs many millions of dollars. Transferring that data via the Internet is a non-starter.

[@eagleye4041]

simple. if you know little bit of coding you for sure can do that

[@AaronAnaya]

I don’t think many music fans realize the caliber of rare music that is hosted on the Internet Archive. There’s unreleased Elliott Smith music, all of the stuff on Guy-Manuel from Daft Punk’s Crydamoure label, white label remixes from the 90s and 00s that never got put out commercially, and so much more. If we lose all that then we also lose a huge amount of music history.

[@FuegoJaguar]

every live show that is allowed to be recorded is stored on the internet archive. every one.

[@Ryan-wr8fx]

The very early music from The Weeknd is also on the Archive

[@AaronAnaya]

@@friche-t3j It’s called The Moon is a Sickle Cell.

[@astitva5002]

yeah and not every artist is the alchemist who goes to record stores to find stuff to flip. a lot of sampling culture today comes from browsing on the internet archive

[@yazawanico5595]

I upload some rarer and lost music tracks on my own IA page for various artists and it’s so disheartening to see this happening. There is really so much that will be destroyed and lost for good if the IA is taken down especially in terms of music.

[@vinylarchaeologist]

If Public Libraries didn't already exist and somebody would come of with such an idea in 2024, it would be dead in the water. They'd face so much backlash from copyright holders that it would make it an impossible task. How did we get here?

[@oatmeal710]

capitalism

[@peanutgallery4]

​@@oatmeal710Copyright is inherently anti-capitalistic

[@austins.2495]

Unchecked greed. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but humans are terrible creatures. The worst, actually

[@taterthepenguin]

​@@austins.2495don't blame the world and all humanity for what white people did.

[@dm5574]

Horus

[@Foostini]

A modern burning of Alexandria entirely over pennies.

[@TheDirge69]

so true...along with every other burning in history...

[@barcotics1880]

why burn it when you can paywall it

[@noyes.]

It’s not though

[@Noooiiiissseee]

lmao my god people are so dramatic

[@yesthisisdonut]

@@Noooiiiissseee because it is dramatic

[@NONE27-DC]

In a world where culture and knowledge is in the hands of corporations, sharing it freely is a crime.

[@chrisgrim503]

Well said

[@jingbot1071]

You know their executives aren't resistant to common calibers, right?

[@steelcry6665]

​@@jingbot1071As it goes. "God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal".

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

PIRACY will be the last cry of freedom.

[@NONE27-DC]

​@@MorMacFey-v2g these days piracy is becoming a need and a moral obligation.

[@DevyJ]

Piracy is looking better and better each day

[@ratpainkillers]

always been.

[@fruitymusicenjoyer]

it's always been the best option, steal from corporations and give to those who actually need and deserve it

[@akiraakiraakiraakira]

arrrr!

[@J.Carstens]

hop on soulseek my dude

[@rgt2003]

@@J.Carstens yep, soulseek is so goated, highly recommend

[@mogullll]

the late stage effects of "why would they do it with no profit incentive?" being allowed as genuine political standing

[@Nerdz2]

Free marketplace of ideas + anarcho capitalist type beat (Not free for profit)

[@dr-wz4gf]

well, legal standing

[@almighty_pusha]

@@dr-wz4gf both. it's both

[@someguy4405]

I kind of get what you mean but that's not a coherent sentence.

[@ChrisB-x1i]

@@someguy4405 Reading comprehension not your bag, bud?

[@mtlgb]

i'm a librarian for the federal government of a certain country and even we use the internet archive all the time. not only to house some material but to do a ton of research

[@abigaillilac1370]

Yet, that government is making the Internet Archive battle this alone. No government is helping even though I bet a lot of them use the archive. Wikipedia relies on it! I love librarians, stay strong. 🌈💜

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Those who control the Past hold power over the Present and the Future. 💪😎✌️ Rich gotta rich, baby. Change the historical narrative and you can turn villains into heroes, liars into saviors, and failures into wins.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

do you think said country might stick their neck out depending on how the lawsuit looks like it's going?

[@curstinmichelle]

Corporations are single-handedly ruining the internet, everything it means to be human and the ability to connect with others and it has to stop. Imagine suing a library for housing a book SOMEONE ELSE WROTE.

[@Amquacktador]

Not only the internet. the whole world at this point

[@cosmicllama6910]

I literally had to stop talking to someone I've known for years recently because he champions everything corporations do and is very pro capitalist, and the whole reason he can have such a rosey view about everything big business does is because he lives rent free with his parents, so he personally doesn't have to be exploited by any big business. I can't stand it anymore.

[@emberembr2944]

I agree with everything but there's no oxford comma so you're wrong

[@irixperson]

@@emberembr2944 To Hell with the Oxford Comma; it is useless, visually unappealing and serves no place in literature.

[@MorMacFey-v2g]

Didn't you know the governments sold the internet to the corporations, that's theirs to ruin now. The internet is dead.

[@aboutsoundandvision]

We will look back in 100 years on the state of how preservation was hampered in the name of profits and realize how much history was truly lost

[@jacobc256]

vishnu moment

[@johnbazy]

The Internet Archive is, and I say this with no exaggeration, on par with the Library of Alexandria in importance. If you _only_ look at the Wayback Machine function, I've gone over thousands of webpage archives of the most obscure music artists with information that literally doesn't exist anywhere else and that's just my niche interests, a drop in the bucket of how much valuable material is preserved on the Internet Archive. If we let it fall we'll have honestly fucking failed as humans.

I don't think Wayback is shutting down.

[@ExtremeWreck]

It could. One can't exist without the other.

[@aepneuma]

John the library of Alexandria burning is a myth in the sense that no unique information was really lost You don’t think people back the. Were stupid enough to to only make one copy of a book and leave it in a single library right?? All the books that were in the library were in other libraries. Just like libraries now

[@gododoof]

It is even more important than the library of Alexandria ever was.

[@johnbazy]

@@aepneuma ​ First of all, Alexandria was important right? When did I say anything about it "burning"? Second, "uhmmm ackshually it is a myth ☝🤓" who gives a fuck, the library and it's historical items were lost in the end anyways even if it wasn't the 1000 year setback people thought it was, and everybody knows the point I was trying to make regardless. Nerd.

[@chartreux1532]

As a Historian working for the IFZ in Munich, the Internet Archive has been insanely valueable! They should indeed have absolutely eveything on there, i don't care if it's offensive or fringe. Hence why we at the IFZ financially support it as well! Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps

[@afdulmitdemklappstuhl9607]

As historian watching Anthony Fantano, do you think future historians could use his videos as a valuable source?

[@abrickwalll]

It's ironic that it's happening at the same time that big tech is using basically every piece of copyrighted media ever to train AI models. Personally I think copyright protections should be limited a lot more, I'd rather have no copyright at all than have no ability to reuse/remix media and to see it all fade away when copyright holders stop making media available, but at the very least it needs to be consistently enforced.

[@turolretar]

Fate is not without a sense of irony, it seems

[@DarkGob]

irony is an outcome contrary to what would be expected given initial conditions. the situation we have now is strictly not ironic because 1) they have convinced a sizeable portion of society that all regulations are bad, and 2) money = speech -- so corporations can actually just do whatever they want, up to and including violating literally any law they need to violate in order to increase profit margins and/or stock valuation (remember: the sole purpose of any publicly traded company is to enrich shareholders, any product created or service rendered in the process is entirely incidental). god i fucking hate the future

[@Anthonypython]

@@DarkGob money talks, bullshit walks as they say, don't got the cash you're out of luck these days

[@wlb277]

The Internet Archive needs to be under complete protection & exemption indefinitely that never expires no matter what & allowed to have stuff that's still under copyright to be on there & put there for preservation. Is there anything we can do to help them get protected from all these greedy corrupt shitheads running things?

[@64MACIASNINAVICTOR]

There's gotta be a limit to all of this tho, I mean not everything has to be released to the public for free like that, right? Maybe I'm missing something or don't really understando how that archive works but it just doesn't make total sense for me

[@szlomobronsztajn3115]

@@64MACIASNINAVICTOR for things that are not in public domain it works the same as library, you cannot when borrowing a book you can't exceed the number of physical copies library possesses

[@felipeneto659]

​@@64MACIASNINAVICTOR the whole idea of the archive is to hold things that are not available anymore (or at least is not easily available anymore). This would be the limit, if you make something and this thing ceases to be available, it should be archived by someone to make it accesible in the future

[@JesusHammer]

​@@64MACIASNINAVICTORnobody is going to a clunky website with a bad video player to download anything unless it's unavailable or non-existent elsewhere. The amount of money anyone would lose from this in the modern world is pennies. It's not 1999 where your only option to buy these things was going to the store and even then piracy wasn't killing any industry

[@_ch1pset]

it's supposed to be, it's a registered non-profit dedicated to archiving, which is explicitly excepted from copyright infringement. I guess the law doesn't mention sharing that stuff publicly, but they are allowed to archive by law.

[@_altoarcadevere]

internet archive was like a great library for me to borrow books that is impossible to borrow in my country cause it wasnt available in here so i am very thankful to the internet archive for that its just getting bleak and bleaker the more this situation goes

[@random-lankan]

I agree with you! I've been learning the sciences through books on the Internet Archive because they're nowhere to be found where I live. Even in our national library, the mathematics and physics lending sections are barren. I'm genuinely afraid of the way things are going, and I'm even more afraid where we'll end up as a species if knowledge is reserved for those who can pay for it. It's awful.

[@ronit8067]

It’s unfortunate that search is now a set of things that they want you to see as opposed to what you may find

[@lisahoshowsky4251]

I wish I could give more than a like because this is extremely astute

[@Bruh-ob9mi]

That’s what happens when billionaires are allowed to exert total control over the internet.

[@kynicnews]

@@Bruh-ob9mitotal control of everything, period.

[@codyryan9789]

​@@Bruh-ob9miif billionaires can extort total control over the internet, how come the internet can't extort total control over billionaires?

[@bluekaiokenobama]

@@codyryan9789 ❓❓❓

[@RobertusAmor13]

The concept of copyright in the digital age needs to be reconsidered. Publishing houses and massive copyright conglomerates are gobbling up every bit of IP, patents, any "idea" they can get their hands on and monetizing it or sitting on it; not for the purpose of enriching creators, but for the purpose of enriching "owners" (these are just already wealthy investors, board members, and CEO's).

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

It does, at a bare minimum, anything that gets registered should have a copy archived with the government so that it's eventually available to go into the public domain and there should be some requirements for renewing the registration after 50 years.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade In the UK that is the case. Any traditional publication made in this country has to send a hard copy to the national archives. So it's... like, something someone in the world already does, and definitely should be standard. I'm not sure how much that applies to digital media. I do know you can request them to archive your website but they don't have to.

[@hauntedPSPlibrary]

AI companies are allowed to guzzle billions of dollars worth of information and energy w/ little to no consequence, sometimes even given reward; meanwhile, internet archives, labors of human care and passion, are being legally bullied into shut down capitalism, gotta fuckin love it (/s)

[@anju5124]

@@hauntedPSPlibrary Damn! It's true that they use A. I. models that are being trained on sooo much art and do not even pay the artists.

[@Llkolii]

its not just capitalism its a push for authoritarianism. AI benefits the govt, there's studies and books written by big players about how AI can control our behaviour or dismantle independent thinking. Whereas archives keep memories alive

[@taffyadam6031]

"muh capitalism"

[@reggoo12]

@@taffyadam6031cope harder

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Rich gotta rich.

[@corruptedmilk2481]

Disastrous. You know the way people say "everything on the internet stays there forever", not really true, link rot and other factors are a major problem. Shit on the internet has a frighteningly finite life time and there's some staggering statistics about dead links etc., we need shit like the internet archive

[@Thuja814]

My ‘silver lining’ thought while watching this video was about cringey early social media accounts on Wayback Machine going *poof* 😂 I don’t even recall what might exist from pre-2008. Now if only F***book would provide a way to delete the account I created at 20 years old for which I can’t access nor change the password due to the now dead email address I used to sign in. A response from the "support" email address "solution" provided by F***book is like winning the lottery. Guess I’ll find a remaining mutual friend to scrape the photos that are visible to them so I can have a copy of my/legally their memories of my youth, then report the account as an imposter who… was… using my photos (which requires giving them legal ID🙄)

[@EarthWingedDragon]

This so depressing. I see so many broken, abandoned link once linked to someone small business.

[@katerrinah5442]

Reminder to everyone who is angry about this that internet archive are taking donations to fight these law suits. And join us on the High Seas. Buy tickets and merch off your favourite artists to help support them because these mega corporations won't!

[@jkdeadite]

I used to work for a company that digitized media, and we did a small study of what we were digitizing. We found that something like 80%+ of music released never made the jump from one format to another. Huge amounts of our history and culture are going to be wiped out for no good reason. Completely preventable.

[@sashanilssen]

A few months ago Vimm's Lair was heavily effected by something very similar. Vimm's Lair was a huge and reliable place to preserve and access ROMs and ISOs for games that just aren't available anywhere else at this point. Big companies struck them down, and now huge libraries of Genesis, SNES, GameCube, PS1, PS2, etc games have been made unavailable. At least Nintendo and Sony can continue to not make money off of these 20+ year old titles they no longer sell.

[@ftrtrjn]

ever since vimm had to delete a bunch of stuff, ive been using the rom megathread. genuinely incredible it hasnt been copyright struck yet

[@abandonedaccount6267]

you just have to know where to look people should be making their own offline archives

[@ftrtrjn]

@@abandonedaccount6267ive also been making an archive of all of my dvds and blu-rays lmao, i have 201 movies

[@DarkGob]

are you kidding? Nintendo loves re-releasing Literally The Same Game.

[@chetapace79]

I understand the stuff that’s currently available on NSO or purchasable elsewhere, but the things you’re actively not selling especially when you want to shutdown your shops for no reason other than “it’s old”?

[@shenzhong2942]

Putting archival of our history into the hands of private companies was always going to be a disaster

[@Amquacktador]

I mean, like every science-fiction story almost always tell us that and people understand it. But when it comes to real life people just think these corporations are benevolent and harmless.

[@SpoopySquid]

Just think about how many early films were lost because studios decided it was a better idea to strip the film reeks for their silver

[@megamattx6408]

​@SpoopySquid we do have a an example, because a lot of warner bros. Archives got destroyed in a fire.

[@sofia2222]

It’s genuinely tragic how much information and art is lost everyday when it could be preserved

[@anju5124]

This plus thinking that ' A. I. art can replace artists' idea seems like a recipe for dystopia.

[@Boardwoards]

Oh it is preserved. Just buried.

[@kipu44]

@sofia2222 Do you have any examples?

[@kuba__]

no way we got burning of the library of alexandria (but 10x worse) before gta 6

[@CordeliaAurora]

There was no grand event called "the burning of the library of Alexandria" A myth made up by pop history A library did burn in Alexandria but it wasn't a very important one

[@JesusHammer]

​@@CordeliaAurorashut up dork

[@vitasnova]

​@@CordeliaAuroraI don't think you're getting the point

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@CordeliaAurora We shouldn't just be leaving it at "alexandria wasn't that bad, mmmkay". We should be replacing the fallacy with historical evidence of a real tragedy, so the rhetorical effect is similar but we don't perpetuate misinfo

[@LordArikado]

Once again, I have to ask why music companies have such a ridiculous amount of power compared to other entertainment industries, since we all know the court is going to rule against the Internet Archive due to most judges not having the slightest understanding of what the Archive does.

[@Thuggychan]

They're not more powerful, just more aggressive. The music industry for a century has based it's business model around stealing songs, exploiting artists, and using copyright as a sledge hammer. The current label model would honestly collapse if they weren't copyright tyrants.

[@abigaillilac1370]

Music corporations have a lot of money. We organized the economy in a way where the people with the most money (capital) have all the power. That's called capitalism and it's anti-human. Judges tend to side with the capital-owning corperations, not humanity.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@abigaillilac1370 of course the big concern these days would be video game companies. The music industry is in decline thanks to streaming, but vidja games are just printing money out here off our backs.

[@thomdotexe]

it's not like it's being used as a streaming platform... you go there for that one album that's impossible to find anywhere or that one textbook a student needs that costs $50+ elsewhere... there's so many other platforms that are obviously built for mass-pirating. Seems so shallow go after a digital library that is only EVER used sparingly and on rare occasions to access copyrighted material, nobody is going there to pirate catalogues and catalogues of stuff.. you can clearly see it on the marker that show you how many downloads a file has had (never more than a couple thousand and usually less than 100) it's so unnecessary, their legal case is probably costing them 10 times more than what was lost on those free downloads!

[@llamaclipz]

I don't think you guys realize how much of a tragedy this really is

[@williamroeben]

the library of Alexandria is burning in front of our eyes

[@asdasdae]

@@williamroeben this isn't even the library of Alexandria, this is like three libraries of Alexandria.

[@whiskeywayne91]

That's literally what we're talking about bro

[@Horrorlover65681]

@asdsdae your analogy is perfect

[@koolarooo]

They should have done more to protect themselves. If you host popular copy-write material illegally big companies will come after you eventually and it’s honestly shocking it wasn’t sooner. We aren’t at any risk of losing frank sinatra for example so take that stuff down and focus on protecting more obscure easier to lose stuff.

[@funatish]

I'm a small musician with absolutely NO budget for music videos and the Internet Archive has been a blessing. There are so many public domain videos that I've used for creating visuals to accompany my music and I am very grateful this website exists. Besides, my searches has led me to learn about a lot of interesting things on the website. It's a shame seeing the Archive receiving this type of treatment from the music industry.

[@DominoSlava]

Nice, that was my original intention with my music videos as well until I deep dove into AI image and video rendering.

[@resultfulnesss]

@@DominoSlava fuck ai art

[@FileNotFound404]

I don't understand why labels are more than willing to sue the hell out of anyone using their copyrighted works, when they themselves are completely unwilling to ever publish said works. If you aren't willing to offer people your product, why would you care if someone else is selling it? Let alone giving it out with no profit incentive at all.

[@jorgehaswag7294]

Honestly the internet archive should just be a government run operation at this point. It’s one of the most important digital libraries and should get the government backing befitting of its status

[@thescoobymike]

Like an online Library of Congress?

[@know_how_games]

government FUNDED, maybe, but not run.

[@imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266]

Having the government run something is the best way to ruin and destroy it

[@MnemonicHeadTrip]

With how deep corporations' hands are in the government's pocket? There's not a chance in hell that will happen

[@macaronisex]

What? How would that make it better?

[@always_serpico]

It’s honestly weird how Internet Archive isn’t government funded and protected.

[@Beast9894]

Good points man. I miss the old internet. Now I'm feeling lost in this new dystopian era

[@anju5124]

@@Beast9894 Search engines getting worse!

[@gianmiras8506]

Internet Archive situation is crazy

[@SteveDCM]

Company that with a twitter screenshot thumbnail

[@ThickDickDaddy247]

Bread

[@worth4692]

I can see this being under Charlie's video

[@mercoro]

🤯🤯🤯

[@8thFurno]

White shirt and everything.

[@ZackXa]

As a pirate, it cannot be understated just how much content is literally only available on Internet archive. Specifically old children's TV Shows that are literally impossible to find anywhere else on the internet.

[@AvidCat5000]

Person 1: "The world is on fire." Person 2: "So? Sell them water." Person 3: "It was all sold." Person 2: "So? Sell them hope." Person 1: "We'll lose everything." Person 2: "I won't. You're both fired." Person 1 & 3 jump into the consumer flames. Person 2 sits and googles for a solution. Person 2: "Hey. What happened to the internet?"

[@bazzle592]

It's truly a mystery why I'm a data hoarder. Can't think of any reasons, really.

[@TheeDeeM]

Ryujinx (the last Nintendo Switch emulator) got taken down, Internet Archive is being burned, Vimm Lair got sued by all big gaming companies for housing games they don't sell anymore, f movies and ani wave are gone. Companies want money so bad and this only makes me hate them more. It hurts me a lot, but I promised I would boycott all of Nintendo's games after they sued tournament competitions for playing Melee online with a third party program. Won't be sad when all these companies eventually fail and all their stuff is put up for free on a future website.

[@modysmok9409]

Found out from your comment that Vimms lair got sued. It really is a sad time to be online

[@codyryan9789]

here I was thinking companies wanted to be known. They all seem like a bunch of dumbasses now.

[@yan_dj]

Boycotting does nothing to hurt Nintendo, it only hurts your own fun with videogames... Just go play the new Zelda, it's insanely fun

[@JesusHammer]

​@@yan_djnaw I'm not paying 60 dollars for a baby game that runs just as bad as the last Zelda game from a company that sucks ass. Maybe I'll pirate it tho

[@cyanified]

Ryujinx got taken down?

[@Tacom4ster]

Once when we lose Wikipedia, the internet is ruined forever

[@rieldebonk1044]

lol, Wikipedia is okay

[@theonlyone992]

​@@rieldebonk1044If I pull off that copyright protection, would you die?

[@Van-Leo]

Wiki isn't using copyrighted content and will persist because so many countries use it for political propaganda and misinformation, obviously the US and Israel when it concerns war crimes and accountability being documented.

[@ernestokrapf]

nah, the Wikipedia editorial is full of feds

[@hjyryui]

@@ernestokrapf meds, now

[@TheMadwomen]

Alexandria burns, and all the books within it...

[@aepneuma]

Very little unique information was lost in the library of Alexandria. Other libraries existed. Just like now….

[@SixOneNiner23]

But the feds still have all my racist jokes from Twitter but theirs are gone

[@princegobi5992]

@@aepneumaokay, I’ll wait for the list of organizations that compare to the internet archive.

[@urphakeandgey6308]

I'm usually not a fan of more government agencies and stuff, but having something like the internet archive be tax funded makes a lot of sense. That'd also probably be the best way to get around copyright issues too, since it'd be publicly funded and operated by the government which also handles copyright. Only issue I could see is the government going rogue and intentionally not archiving certain things or even revising the archives after enough time.

[@DarkGob]

half the government is full-blown anarchists trying to burn down the entire system from within and replace it with neo-feudalism (not a joke by the way, look up Curtis Yarvin to see what they have planned for you). the other half is owned by corporate lobbyists that would never allow this to happen.

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

Copyright is more trouble than it's worth. It's one thing to not want people to sell something that you're currently selling, but when it comes to material that's not available to buy legally, then I don't see why there should be a problem with someone making it available for free online. But even when it comes to "fair use", they make it almost impossible to use examples of whatever you're reviewing and in most cases, the reviewer isn't actually making much if any money from those reviews. I can understand a record label going after someone for uploading their biggest stars latest album, but if it's something that has been out of print for decades, then they really only have themselves to blame. Fans want to hear that music and if they're not going to make it available for those fans, then I think that it's important that there's someone who will. The same goes for books and movies. Also, when you consider that most labels and film studios have fully embraced streaming services, in some cases no longer releasing physical copies at all, artists are making less money, people in retail and manufacturing are struggling...but the labels and film companies along with certain streaming services are making record profits. They want to fight piracy, but the pirates aren't the problem and they never really were, the problem is and has always been the major corporations who think that they can own everything.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

It's really not. If you think that the current situation is bad, just imagine what would happen if companies could just strip mind pop culture without even the restrictions we have in place. At least under the current system, ordinary people get to make art if they want to and there's theoretically the ability to prevent people from misusing their work. Even if that enforcement can be hard to actually make use of.

[@Gisiebob]

currency is more trouble than it is worth

[@GIDAEONGULLY]

The Internet Archive is the only thing keeping the "Dead Internet Theory" a theory.

[@CypiXmusic]

Yep, feels like the idea of a library is illegal nowadays

[@kipu44]

But traditional libraries *buy* books.

[@Squiddy00]

Being able to access the media of the past is massively important and a natural human right. Imagine if The Illiad was locked down and tied to corporate ownership the way media is today? Storytelling and expanding and revisiting the stories of our youth or the past is a core part of the human experience. Most of all, remember that copyright as a concept was only created with the goal of creating more works that would eventually enter the public domain.

[@elliganzweitweg]

The internet archive is one of the main reasons hbomberguy could expose Tommy Tallarico. It needs to be protected at all costs.

[@BatteryCoverMissing]

This!

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

You can't help people that don't want to be helped. The IA was always a pirate site, but they pushed too far and it's likely going to be everybody else that suffers. There were plenty of ways of avoiding the situation they're in, they either didn't consult attorneys or they consulted incompetent attorneys when making these decisions.

[@Joy-e5m4v]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Tim85-y2q]

Because society would have imploded if that hadn't happened...

[@TheCesmi23]

Music labels suing IA makes no sense to me honestly. You can already listen to the music they are releasing CURRENTLY that don't need archiving, for free (with ad blockers) on youtube. And the music they're suing for aren't even in the content id system, they're not released publicly anywhere by the label... If you're going to sue someone for doing something you SHOULD be doing but are too greedy/lazy to do, atleast show the courtesy to offer that service yourself first. Because you aren't going to earn money either way if you don't, you're just destroying history.

[@thaDjMauz]

It's like those cases of videogame companies that have discontinued and taken down games but also don't want them pirated. I guess they just dont want anyone to access those things anymore.T

[@RoseanneSeason7]

The music industry is run by the Italian mob

[@m80mangg]

They want to extract money from the lawsuit. None of what internet archive is doing actually hurts them.

[@willtaylor64]

As a music fan, the Internet Archive is wonderful. It absolutely devastates me to see it suffering lawsuits and cyber attacks right now. With so many aspects of being a music fan existing entirely online over the past few decades, it's so important that the Internet Archive exists. Physical aspects of album rollout campaigns such as magazine interviews and physical advertisements and graphics have been replaced with online journalism and band websites that constantly change looks. If someone becomes a fan of an artist in 2024, but wants a chance to experience what being a fan of them was like in 2014, they can use the Wayback Machine to go and view those websites from 10 years ago. Find those interviews that no longer exist online. There's so many songs that only really exist within the Internet Archive now, as they've been deleted from Soundcloud, MySpace, etc. It's just such an important part of music history. I really hope it can recover from all this.

[@nope7832]

the internet archive was the hub of the netlabel scene, which was a very influential yet underground part of modern music

[@cpyt]

If the Internet Archive falls, the web as we know it today does with it! I use the Wayback Machine so often when dealing with dead links, without it, the internet would be even worse than it is today, if it gets sued into the ground, the internet as we know it is going to fade away...

I think Wayback is fine.

[@Riu-bw4bl]

If internet archive can’t pay for these lawsuits and potentially shut down, how would the wayback machine not go down with it?

[@DSL-33166]

Waybackmachine is the crown jewel, everything else is just p2p level stuff, not so important

[@HadesUnderworld2]

damn, what a shame. I did the bulk of my research and got a lot of sources for my senior thesis using internet archive

[@thatguyseb8824]

Reject publishers, embrace piracy.

[@codyryan9789]

I always have, always will. I'm not supporting this "world" we live in.

[@MnemonicHeadTrip]

It really is a good day to become radicalized!

[@misbegotten3508]

@@MnemonicHeadTrip A pathetic era we live in where digital piracy is radical as opposed to the standard. We discovered infinitely and perfectly replicatable data and machines and our first move was to limit it.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Which is great until people stop producing the more expensive works, or take decades in doing so because everybody involved has to work day jobs. Even a low budget movie these days can cost millions of dollars just to film, most people do not have that kind of money to spend on a movie just to have it go to pirates without recouping the cost. The issue is that the balance has been tipped too far in favor of rightsholders, but completely boycotting all of them isn't any better. At least the status quo has works eventually entering the public domain.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@misbegotten3508 It is radical though in the same way that full on communism is. Having people working for free isn't a sustainable model in any country that does not have a UBI that covers all the basic necessities.

[@antoniorosas6244]

Remember guys, if you own physical copies of any piece of media, you are now their guardians.

[@Boberson2]

If we lose the Internet Archive, it will be the internet's equivalent to the burning of the Alexandria Library

[@readtedium]

Thank you for talking about this Anthony. We need to build awareness of how broken copyright is in the internet age. Online libraries should work the very same as physical ones. But they don't, and the reason has everything to do with overly litigious pressure groups and rightsholders.

[@p0werfu11]

The situation with lost content is getting worse and worse every day. Internet Archive is one of the last bastions of the culture, and a lot of important websites are already dead. This is the future Klaus Schwab wants for us.

[@overgearedcc]

I used wayback machine for an investigation, containing a no longer accesible interview to Jhon Thompson

[@KingNerdius]

Historical preservation is extremely important

[@ropesquid2085]

Reminds me of a doco I watched about possibly Monty Python (don't remember exactly what) wherein they briefly talked about extremely early TV shows that were stored on physical master tapes at the BBC and simply due to cost-saving measures the tapes would get re-used for newer shows, erasing the old media in the process. This was before home-taping so some of those shows are completely lost now. Anyways, here comes Disney's fiftieth reboot.

[@Rr0gu3_5uture]

In some cases the BBC would actually just physically bin the tapes. Starting in the 1950s, popular UK comic and game show host Bob Monkhouse was an obsessive film and tv archivist who was directly responsible for saving thousands of hours of classic tv. In the mid-60s he bought the first professional grade, consumer video recorder and would record everything! Bob was a fkin' legend!

[@ashleighcalvert8937]

This just proves the idea that libraries would never be allowed to be established today. The only reason they are protected today is because they are funded by the government.

[@mercytbh]

i agree with all your points, but also as a broke college student, internet archive has saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars in textbooks/required reading books. i'm literally using them right now for one of my classes that saves me from having to buy another book i will use for 2 weeks.

[@kassemir]

The argument that them archiving some old 78's is loosing them money on the bottom line is honestly absurd. Like, who is listening to Frank Sinatra through poor audio quality 78 rips, when his entire catalogue is on streaming in like actually good audio quality? It's pretty clear that the people who access this resource is most likely music nerds and researchers. It's an important resource that can and should easily co-exist with streaming and legit re-releases, if the artists still have enough clout for that to be a worthy investment.

[@Robert__Isaac]

I'm a filmmaker and there's a very specific person I want to write a film about. There are only 3 books about him in existence, they were published in the 80's and early 90's, and they are all out of print. Internet Archive was a life saver, as I was only able to track down a used copy of one out of the three books. This is history I feel like is important, but since it is so niche it risks being lost forever. I'm willing to purchase these books to read them, but the copyright holders would never bother printing any of them again. Internet Archive is doing important work.

[@organfairy]

My biggest problem with searching the internet is that it has become "now you see it - now you don't". Often I have found information I needed for various reasons, but some time later when I want to read it again it has gone. I have pretty much made it a habit that I take a copy of things and store it locally if I want to return to it later.

[@reltcstone2]

i agree with you entirely. screw everyone sueing the internet archive. We need to keep that information safe somewhere even if its on a hard drive.

[@zeemdotexe]

waiting for the "access to history" subscription plan

[@Spoggyboggy]

The internet archive is one of the bedrocks of accessibility and oversight of media on the internet. Editability needs oversight in order to maintain a consistent and accurate internet, and media archives need to be accessible in order to preserve influential media in its original form.

[@TheNizoubizou]

I pirated Breaking Bad then bought all the bluray collection when I could afford. Otherwise I wouldn't have watched the show. These big corporations are trying to squeeze the last pennies from the customers and you don't even get own the content. Once they shut down or your subscription ends you can't access them.

[@scanman975]

At least you eventually paid for the content.

[@jmsjms296]

Reminds me of z-library. Was down for a while. And came back. If needed on Tor. Not ideal, but we still have it. Web radio the same: everything seemed at stake about 20 years ago, and the issue got solved. It's now better than ever... I think IA will NEVER die. Too vital for that.

[@Riu-bw4bl]

How do we fight back against this? I wish the people could be loud enough to at least demand change with copyright laws..

[@I_love_2_chill]

great time to donate to or buy merch from internet archive

[@Tim85-y2q]

I'll wait for the going out of business sale.

[@EdmondScotia]

@@Tim85-y2q what all the cheapskates say

[@Tim85-y2q]

@@EdmondScotia The real cheapskates are the ones mad that sites openly promoting piracy get slapped down.

[@gramioerie_xi133]

@@Tim85-y2q You are a bad person.

[@CuteSkyler]

This is a reason as to why people are going independent instead of going to a multi million dollar company to get their stuff published. They'll hold the rights for long after you've made it and long after you've been gone, you don't own your art.

[@noelvermillia]

Copyright is a cancer. We need to focus attention on those actors who choose to file lawsuits against Internet Archive.

[@scanman975]

OK clown. You think nobody should be able to enjoy the fruits of their labors without fear of somebody stealing and profiting off of their hard work.

[@dantewing9723]

R.I.P. Internet Archive; 1996-2024

[@sonjamae]

Well there goes online citations based on sources without a DOI number.

[@LobotomyDC]

Good. Back to intentionally misinforming people for me.

[@DjHollwood]

It’s worthwhile to consider the possibility that this isn’t as much about money or copywritten material, but rather the ability to control history. If you remove non-biased sources of history, you have more control over the narrative. The stories we tell ourselves about the world are more important than most people realize, and a lot of powerful people understand that.

[@realnovameek]

So sad to compare the current state of the internet to early internet. It really is a whole different thing now.

[@Joshipalooza]

I’m a researcher from the global south and the Internet Archive has helped me to access to valuable information. This page should be maintained by public funding from every country in the world.

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

As sad as the situation goes, this is (unfortunately) something to be expected to happen for any open source public repository project based on a sort of altruistic non-profit model. It's just the truth nowadays, anyone who got the firm stakeholder interest on their back as well as the economic leverage in the first place should be able to win virtually any legal battle against them when it comes to the dispute of IP ownership.

[@austinxwade]

I'm a graphic designer / illustrator and the internet archive is one of the bedrocks of my process. I use it for references, type specimens, illustration lifts from antique magazines, etc. Not having access to this would be a huge blow to my work, if for nothing other than making researching for my projects incredibly more difficult. I'm so fuckin sick of this system.

[@kuayinal-kadir6846]

Internet Archive is essential for the research. It being taken down would quite literally be the burning of the Library of Alexandria. Albeit far worse.

[@shacharias]

The IA is a great resource for everyone and can be of much interest for casual users. But on another level, it is an invaluable tool for historians that has dramatically opened up possibilities for scholarship. It gives independent historians a point of access to a vast library of books and other items, especially rare and long out-of-print materials. And for such historians who don't happen to live in college towns and don't have access to interlibrary loans, it makes the work so much more possible. We're already living in an intellectual dark age, but without libraries like the IA we'd be in more of a material dark age, despite the continued existence of the Internet-knowledge for the rich and ignorance for the rest of us.

[@fullaregrets5015]

They've been threatened for years, but a whiny hack of a writer for Star Wars got them into more trouble bc they archived his 2-Star book. Looking at you, Chuck Wendig.

[@theonlyone992]

Now usually I hate the people who use this word but I can personally confirm he h a t e s to be called Cuck Wendig. Do with that information what you will 👍🏻

[@Athairne]

Chuck has refuted being involved in any capacity. I went running off, outraged, after reading this and a librarian at the Internet archive itself has verified he isn't responsible. He opposes the lawsuit just like we do

[@xanatanuwu]

W misinformation

[@wasabi.2839]

Erasing Internet Archive would be the equivalent of burning the Library of Alexandria back in the ancient world.

[@DSL-33166]

It's down, and it might not be back soon

[@STOPSYPHER]

Backup all the video game archives/cracks from here while you can. I’ve noticed a lot of game and movie files disappearing lately. This is how we end up with lost media.

[@BrotherBroosh]

This aged like a fine wine......

[@Connie_TinuityError]

It's offline because of a ddos attack, it hasn't shut down completely.

[@DSL-33166]

what kind of sick muppets did this

[@JacqueBruce0]

It’s insane how dedicated massive corporations are to squeeze money out of every facet of life. Even when a website is non profit naturally there are millionaires who want to see what they can take for themselves.

[@davelanciani-dimaensionx]

I have nearly all of my own original albums uploaded to the Internet Archive, happily making them free for anyone to download. I'd hate to see this disappear.

[@douglasrasmussen3696]

Frustrating. I've been keeping an eye on this situation, as I use the Internet Archive extensively. It's been immensely helpful in finding out of print material that I use for research in my publications in academic journals, so it's not like I'm profiting off of it financially. & I've already noticed that more & more materials on Internet Archive are becoming unavailable for borrowing.

[@BearJew840]

I’ve downloaded 30 gbs of music from internet archive

[@Tocinos]

I got like 10 gigs (from YT alone)

[@anju5124]

I mainly use to read books from there.

[@LobotomyDC]

Rookie numbers. Go get more.

[@DSL-33166]

I stream a TB data a month bruh

[@kineticwayss]

i searched some books i want to read but it's just showing preview lol​@@anju5124

[@hapexzm]

I use IA daily and I’ve discovered so much weird and wonderful stuff from all over the world, not just for sampling. There’s nowhere else that gives the feeling of being some kind of cultural archaeologist. I can only imagine how important it could be in 100 years 😓

[@Schadenfreude47]

The Internet Archive should be UN-funded. It's a universal public service that provides an invaluable utility.

[@EdmondScotia]

LMAO i suggest you reread what you wrote if anything if they got a hold of it they will end it faster and confiscate almost 90% of it 🤣

[@locofavi]

First Nintendo attacking emulators and now this 😢

[@ball7786]

The internet archive being taken down will be one of the worst things to happen to the internet

[@DSL-33166]

Its down bruhh

[@ball7786]

@@DSL-33166 it’s made finding things significantly more difficult