The One Way to Make Power Go Up - Starting Strength Radio Previews

[@deebop3539]

Hell yeah P is what we’re interested in brother.

[@JohnSmith-cz3us]

LOL ❤️

[@JohnSmith-cz3us]

@SuperHaitiano judging by your photo I’m assuming you’re referring to yourself. Hey it’s 2021.

[@seabeebillm]

I’ve been lifting weights to get more P for the last 40 years…nice to see it explained so scientifically though…

[@SKOOKM]

Tendon stiffness or springiness plays a big role in vertical leap. That's a big reason why we lose our ability to jump high as we age. I'm not really much weaker than I was 20 years ago, but I've lost a good 11 inches of my vertical because there is not spring left in my tendons. Some if it is probably also due to losing that ability to fire my muscles all at once as he described.

[@sankalpabanerjee6218]

How ling have you been training?

[@strandedmexican]

It's called getting old

[@eclipsez0r]

What size shirt is Rip modelling here?

[@bensmith2692]

XL

[@OMAR-vk9pi]

Xxl

[@andyrool988]

Unfortunately for the equation, increasing F will also likely increase your mass. This will increase t unless you also train to move quickly, restricting any increases in P. Balance is always the key to training athletic traits. It's not just 'get stronger'.

[@inBODwetrust13]

With the exception that you're assuming the increase in F is in proportion to the increase in t (i.e. that not only does your body mass increase in proportion to strength increases but also that this increase in mass reduces t proportionately).

[@soonahero]

By this logic getting smaller can get your T up 30%, which has never happened

[@mike.pritchett.p7by916]

@2:27 Rusty bleeping out Rip's snorting! Well done!!! :)

[@Dave-Philly]

The folks working in power sports do seem to believe that the velocity needs to be kept up with the force generation to some extent. I'm not saying that force doesn't matter, but in track cycling and track and field those folks see benefit in moving the weights with speed as well, at least on the empirical or programming level. For track sprinting cyclists I've also heard anecdotally that unilateral work correlates better to race performance than bilateral. Even in weightlifting, there is a general acceptance of not deadlifting more than XX% over their clean, for either form or "getting slow". So it's hard to counter years of applied method that seems to work when the rubber meets the road of competition. Counter to this, there has also been good data on cyclists improving peak power output with only isometric activation, so Rip might be completely correct 🤷‍♂️.

[@jamesianv]

Then why am I doing dynamic effort? Isn't that to recruit more motor units. Yes but its very limited 😥.

[@LTPottenger]

Because you got conned

[@dieselviper7811]

@@LTPottenger dynamic effort is in practical programming

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

Motor units are recruited in order, from smaller to bigger. This takes some time, and it takesa high force requirement. Using light weights and moving then fast is the opposite of recruting more motor units. You will however, display your ability to recruit a certain number of them based on your genetic potential to do so and maaaabye increase your neuromuscular efficiency slightly

[@areyoukidding15]

Thank you for the simple science based breakdown/explanation.

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

I use a trap bar to deadlift at RP6

[@drhjhulsebos]

😆

[@jimbartlome504]

How can I get one of the shirts Rip is wearing?

[@jonnyrepsfitness]

You're telling me I don't want to do box jumps with bands around my knees?

[@frankchen4229]

belted vertical lol

[@K-bob_45]

How do I get my power level over 9000?

[@daniel09dailey]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 over 9000?

[@AnabolicFarmer]

Start with 2-3g steroids and you'll get closer atleast.

[@MikeXCSkier]

I have not heard anyone argue that increasing strength will not increase power. Of course it does. But as you mentioned in your other snippet of this podcast, cleans and snatches must be performed regularly in order to train the nervous system to recruit high threshold motor units. I deliberately used the word "train" and not "practice," the word you used, because rate of force development can be trained to some extent. At a minimum, regularly training cleans and snatches will maintain an athlete's current level of RFD. Heavy weight training alone without the addition of the explosive lifts can, in fact, cause RFD to go down. I know you don't believe that but it's true. That's because the muscles act differently in a slow grind movement than in a high speed movement. It has to do with the rate of attachment of muscle cross-bridges. In a high speed movement the cross-bridges do not have time to form as many attachments as with a slow movement. To compensate, more motor units are recruited but the amount of force that these motor units can produce is reduced due to a reduced number of cross-bridges.

[@startingstrength]

No one is arguing that Olympic lifters shouldn't do the Olympic lifts. But your comment supports our assertion that Olympic lifters need to train the heavy lifts also. I'm not sure you realize that.

[@MikeXCSkier]

@@startingstrength I do realize that because I agree with it. I don't know of any Olympic weightlifting coach who thinks that strength is not important. If you know of one please let me know. Now, the method of developing strength may be different from SS, e.g., the bench press is used very little if at all. Weightlifting coaches also recognize that once a lifter has attained some proficiency and can snatch and C&J heavy, training the snatch and C&J will build strength. At a minimum, the volume of the lifts needs to be taken into account before the lifter is prescribed a bunch of strength work.

[@bateschiro]

When you say there has been no examples of people increasing their vertical jump substantially. I would like to hear your comments on the knees over toes guy on KZbin. Because, this is exactly what he states he can do A lot of my friends would love to share a video on this one. Thank you.

[@AnthonyHootman]

30% no probably not. in all of track and field I got about 10% on my vertical, interestingly enough my sprinting speed also increased around 10%. never increased SBD back then tho.

[@grahamrutherford3080]

Wot about the knees over toes guy rip? He says he's greatly increased his vertical jump

[@LTPottenger]

So he says

[@MrPtrlix]

By doing what? If you do vertical jumps, you'll jump higher in time. I think Rip says that squats and deadlifts and other strength-based movements don't necessarily increase your jumping.

[@colinsweller]

Rip never said you cant increase your vert. He said you can by 20-25% with getting stronger. Thats quit an increase. Lots of factors come into play in your vertical, common cents would say that if you strengthen those factors, the vert will increase as well.

[@eltonwild5648]

How do I treat carpal tunnel? Does Mark has a protocol like the One to treat elbow tendinitis?

[@LTPottenger]

It is the same thing basically, just figure out the exercise to hit the tendons and do it

[@eltonwild5648]

How do I write a question to Rippetoe?

[@eltonwild5648]

@@composmentis8138 great idea. But here on KZbin works?

[@josephmoore977]

What about the force velocity curve? Less resistance would equal greater velocity while greater resistance would equal greater force. Isn't there a direct correlation between the two? The slow strength movement would increase in velocity if the same amount of force was produced with submaximal resistance. Distance also plays a factor as there is a greater amount of movement required for a snatch or clean as opposed to the standard deadlift, which would mean that velocity must be increased for the bar to travel further.

[@singh2702]

The d/t is the same as velocity so it's actually p=fv.

[@diegocastillo5400]

Engineer here. I understand.

[@pablomarrero6062]

Maybe you can explain to me how power is independent of bodyweight. It seems to me that I would jump higher without an anvil tied around my neck than with one.

[@diegocastillo5400]

@@pablomarrero6062 Power takes into account force, time, and distance. Bodyweight is the only variable that could influence force, but not necessarily. More body weight is more force generation, usually, not always. So it's independent of force.

[@MikeXCSkier]

The problem is that this is not just a physics problem. Physiology plays a role which is something that was left out of the explanation.

[@22448824]

@@MikeXCSkier Precisely

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

@@MikeXCSkier how?

[@ztatikq]

That’s what we’re looking for alright the freaks the 46 inch guy - rip

[@shiptube7836]

But power in tennis, for example, does not happen because all motor units fire at the same time. There are a series of muscles that must fire at the right time. Improve that muscular timing and power goes up. Strength means very little for generating this power.

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

Are you proposing a different equation for power than the one every physicist agrees on?

[@shiptube7836]

@@Francesco-cj3oi Don't think I proposed any equation. I simply said that motor units do not fire at the same time. For example, when you hit a tennis ball, your wrist motor units should fire a long time after your calf motor units. And the power that you generate depends largely on how well you time this correctly. And I make the same claim for jumping also, that there are many muscles involved, and great jumpers will time the firing of these muscles correctly.

[@im_reyz8780]

what if t goes up because you trained with low velocity

[@dankdark974]

Slow motion

[@shiptube7836]

And the top high jumpers in the world are not the strongest squatters. Their muscular timing is great. That's why they look so graceful. A powerlifter jumping just looks stiff.

[@geneharrogate6911]

Is there an 'Alcohol 2' podcast coming? You didn't address tequila, liqueurs and aperitifs.

[@mickeyjames1663]

P= mav d fuq?

[@alanneale3657]

Why is Steve shaw giving you such a hard time .. just to be sure I’m a massive starting strength fan ..

[@jonny5.45]

Get 'em Rip🦍

[@michelef406]

Watch out for those pesky logical fallacies: the fact that nobody managed to significantly improve the vertical jump test doesn't mean it cannot be done. It just means it *has not* been done yet. Moreover, the fact that it has not been done yet doesn't allow you to draw any conclusion of sort. We simply don't know. I would phrase it this way, instead: it's more fruitful to spend your time on improving something that we already know how to train very efficiently rather than investing time on anything else.

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

This is just stupid. We're not talking about proving the existance of God. We know you can't train the timing component of a power movement once the person knows the technique and has gone through the initial phase of neuromuscular adaptation to training.

[@michelef406]

I pity your close mindedness and your laziness on applying basic critical thinking tools.

[@pablomarrero6062]

wouldnt lowering bodyweight while keeping at the same force production increase power as well?

[@benbushman7209]

Bodyweight is not in the equation

[@pablomarrero6062]

@@benbushman7209 That's not my question.

[@dankdark974]

@@pablomarrero6062 bodyweight still isnt in the equation therefore it doesnt increase power. Power is independent of your weight.

[@pablomarrero6062]

@@dankdark974 Are you saying that my vertical leap will stay at 32 inches with or without a 88lb weight vest on?

[@pablomarrero6062]

@@dankdark974 Is power independent of performance i.e vertical jump inches as well? lol

[@totallyraw1313]

So therefore strength training for sprinting and jumping is a waste of time because ground contact time is far too short.

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

Did you not understand force production is directly proportional to power?

[@UncleDanBand64]

So, you are saying your jump can not go up 30%? I am going to have to call Bull$H1T on that

[@joebot9309]

Only if you lose 30 percent of your body mass

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@joebot9309 no way! Are you telling me that a guy untrained that has 15" vertical jump can not get it to 20" with training?

[@MrPtrlix]

it can increase with athletic training, not with strength training.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@MrPtrlix Well Rip said, there is no program in the world that could add 30% to your vertical jump. I would say weighted box or bench jumps would do it.

[@Francesco-cj3oi]

@@MrPtrlix what is "athletic" training? And how does it not involve strength?

[@DDND-jq2km]

What's d again?

[@jattaya]

Distance

[@DDND-jq2km]

@@jattaya ahh, thank you sir

[@joshbooker7055]

Goddamn that felt good to hear

[@manavdhanwal3606]

0:25 gaahy

[@Dark89Avenger]

well...this is simply wrong...